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Regular meeting of the Buncombe County Board of Commissioners on August 15, 2023. To review the full agenda visit buncombecounty.org/commissioners.
A
A
I
would
like
to
read
the
ethics
reminder
to
the
board,
in
accordance
with
the
code
of
ethics
adopted
by
the
board.
All
County
Commissioners
have
a
duty
to
obey
all
applicable
laws
regarding
official
actions
to
uphold
the
integrity
and
Independence
of
the
office
to
avoid
impropriety
in
the
exercise
of
official
duties
to
Faithfully,
perform
the
duties
of
the
office
and
to
conduct
the
Affairs
of
the
governing
board
in
an
open
and
public
manner.
A
A
A
All
right
I
also
wanted
to
announce
that
any
members
of
the
public
who
are
attending
the
meeting
who
parked
in
the
County's
parking
deck
or
used
public
transportation
to
attend
the
meeting,
can
get
validation
for
your
parking
or
Transit
passes
from
one
of
the
security
officers.
On
your
way.
Out
of
the
meeting
okay,
we
come
to
the
consent
agenda.
A
A
We
had
a
few
folks
sign
up
for
public
comments,
so
I'm
going
to
go
through
the
list
and
I
apologize
for
mispronouncing
anyone's
name
and
once
we
get
through
the
list.
If
there's
anyone
else
who
wants
to
participate
in
public
comment,
there'll
be
an
opportunity
to
do
that.
All
right.
The
first
person
that
signed
up
is
Andrew
Clark,
thanks
for
being
here,
Andrew.
C
That
suggests
that
effective
effort
praising
improves
performance,
The
Pact
Act
is
important
because
it
recognizes
the
service
of
those
with
presumptive
illnesses
and
provides
access
to
possible
monthly
compensation
and
access
to
VA
health
care.
It's
important
because
of
the
efforts
of
all
Community
Partners,
including,
but
not
limited
to
VA
staff,
State
and
County
staff,
veteran
service
organizations.
All
working
together
provide
the
best
quality
service
for
a
challenging
process.
C
Buncombe
County
is
important
because
of
the
following.
The
Commissioners
this
year
made
tough
decisions
on
budget
related
matters
such
as
McCormick
field,
a
place
after
Renovations
will
give
disabled
veterans
the
opportunity
to
enjoy
the
American
way
of
life
in
a
facility
with
respect
and
dignity
due
to
sheriff
Miller
for
his
service
to
the
in
the
United,
States
Army,
and
also
implementing
this
year
and
an
employment
opportunity.
C
Partnership
with
the
Army
and
the
Buncombe
County
Sheriff's
Office
Buncombe
County
is
important
because
of
the
rated
number
one
in
the
nation,
the
Charles
Georgia
VA
Medical
Center,
who
also
recently
announced
expanding
facilities
to
better
accommodate
the
needs
of
veterans.
This
county
is
amazing
because
of
Pratt
and
Whitney
for
producing
engines
powering
all
f-35s,
employing
veterans
and
their
dependents.
This
is
an
important
County
because
of
the
veterans,
treatment
Court
as
well.
C
C
E
D
Name
is
Jen
Hampton
I'm,
the
chair
of
Asheville
food
and
beverage,
United
and
I
just
wanted
to
stop
by
tonight
to
express
the
Gratitude
of
the
service
workers
in
Asheville.
For
your
continued
support,
the
reduced
parking
for
downtown
workers
program
was
a
game
changer
for
a
lot
of
people
and
the
possible
expansion
to
the
College
Street
deck
and
making
the
program
permanent.
D
D
So
again,
I
just
really
want
to
reiterate
that
we
appreciate
your
support
and
not
just
in
parking
and
housing
as
well,
which
I'm
going
to
come
back
next
month
and
talk
more
about
that
right.
Now,
it's
just
about
parking,
and
it
fills
me
with
a
lot
of
optimism
to
know
that
people
with
the
power
to
make
positive
impacts
on
our
lives
have
our
interests
at
top
of
mind.
That's
really
evident
in
your
words
and
your
actions
so
with
that
I
just
want
to
say
thanks
and
we've
got
your
backs
in
solidarity
y'all.
Thank
you.
G
Since
then,
a
study
titled
evidence
for
aerosol
transfer
of
sarsko
V2,
specific
humoral
immunity
was
released,
outlining
how
antibodies
produced
in
the
vaccinated
may
be
transmitted
by
the
air.
This
would
be
scientific,
peer-reviewed
evidence
of
the
phenomenon
called
shedding.
This
is
because
the
spike
protein
produced
by
all
vaccines
on
the
market
is
the
known
causative
agent
for
long
covet,
the
man
responsible
for
finding
this
is
Dr
Bruce
Patterson,
president
of
incel
DX
and
covidlonghollers.com.
G
He
is
the
world
cytokine
and
chemokine
expert,
which
are
substances
like
interleukin
and
interferons
that
act
like
neurotransmitters
for
your
immune
system.
They
may
also
be
called
immunotransmitters
his
findings
of
spike-infected
cd16
immune
cells
being
the
cause
of
long
covid
due
to
their
ability
to
cause
angiogenesis,
which
is
blood
vessel
formation
inflammation,
which
is
a
hyper
immune
response
and
cytokinemia,
which
is
the
Persistence
of
immunotransmitters,
which
can
cause
neurodegeneration
on
their
own,
is
well
documented
and
linked
in
the
public
health
notice
that
was
provided.
G
His
data
has
been
so
conclusive
and
in
line
with
clinical
results
that
his
protocol
has
improved.
The
health
of
over
50
000
patients
in
the
United
States
and
the
government
of
Australia
has
contracted
with
his
firm
to
do
testing
for
their
entire
population.
If
Sovereign
governments
have
already
reacted
by
implementing
his
solution
and
treatments
for
their
entire
population,
then
we
can
only
ask
why
this
body
and
the
Department
of
Health
this
body
is
given
charge
over
continue
to
ignore
this
information
to
the
detriment
of
the
public
health
they
are
sworn
to
protect.
G
We
are
happy
to
provide
any
further
information
to
your
commission
or
the
Department
of
Health.
It
needs
in
order
to
designate
the
spike
protein
for
Alpha
strain
b117
as
a
biologic
agent
and
ensure
notice
of
possible
Health
Care
Associated
infection
of
long
coven
is
provided
for.
Anyone
offered
a
medical,
countermeasure
or
vaccine
due
to
language
contained
within
section
564
of
the
fdca,
where
risks,
as
well
as
to
the
extent
they
are
unknown,
must
be
disclosed.
G
How
is
it
possible
to
justify
persisting
a
public
health
threat
without
providing
relevant
notice?
It
isn't,
especially
when
considering
ncgs,
138-41
and
138-144,
where
criminal
penalties
exist
for
their
failure.
The
FDA
recognizes
this
board
as
legal
stakeholders
in
vaccine
distribution
and
federal
courts
struck
down
the
federal
federal
vaccine
mandates
due
to
case
law
that
found
the
distribution
of
vaccines
to
be
not
non-economic
activity
and
therefore
to
be
under
the
10th
Amendment,
placing
State
jurisdiction
and
statutes
as
the
primary
venue
to
seek
remedy.
G
A
Right,
thank
you
all
right.
Are
there
any
other
members
of
the
public
who
wish
to
address
the
board
during
public
comment
or
speak
during
public
comment,
all
right
thanks
to
everyone
who
took
some
time
to
come
out
and
share
their
perspectives
during
public
comment?
Okay,
the
next
item:
we've
got
two
items
under
good
news.
The
first
is
the
2023
Governors
volunteer
service
award
and
yeah
in
Jennifer's
here
to
help
us
with
this.
H
H
This
year's
volunteer
Service
Awards
for
Buncombe
County,
goes
to
land
of
Sky
Association
of
realtor,
which
Unfortunately
they
did
not
come,
but
we
would
still
like
to
recognize
them.
Association
of
villages
consistently
goes
above
and
beyond
what?
What
many
think
the
normal
role
of
realtor
should
be?
H
Realtors
attended
trainings
that
provided
the
community
a
walk
through
on
how
that
how
to
access
and
understand
their
property
record,
how
to
use
Buncombe
County
tax
website
and
how
to
work
effective
property
values.
The
property
values
of
pure
process,
tax
relief
and
more
Buncombe
County
property
assessment
team
is
grateful
for
their
hard
work
and
commitment
to
help.
H
H
You
are
perfectly
fine,
since
moving
to
Buncombe
County
in
2020,
the
pranks
have
been
involved
within
many
different
volunteer
opportunities
at
Asheville
area
Habitat
for
Humanity,
as
Educators
developing
and
implementing
the
student
build
program
with
particularly
rewarded
for
dual,
and
especially
impactful
for
the
organization
and
community
at
large.
The
program
the
Franks,
developed
and
implemented
brings
together
high
school
students
who
were
often
rivals
on
the
field
and
unites
them
around
the
shared
goal
of
safe,
decent
housing.
H
For
all
this
interception,
Asheville
habitat
student
build
program
has
grown
and
in
2022,
six
schools
participated
collectively
they
raised
fifty
five
thousand
dollars
to
sponsor
a
habitat
home
and
the
student
helped
build
it.
Some
schools
have
also
integrated,
affordable
housing
education
in
their
curriculum,
five
house
student
build
have
been
built
in
Buncombe
County
today,
thanks
to
Charlie
and
Trisha
leadership
and
dedication.
H
In
addition,
over
the
years,
Charlie
has
been
a
core
volunteer
on
the
construction
site
in
the
restore
and
and
with
this
construction
he
has
partnered
with
homeowners
and
habitat
neighborhood,
to
build
little
free
libraries
for
residents
and
he'll
build
the
little
Free
Library
at
Shiloh
community
garden
using
recycling
materials
from
the
Asheville
Habitat
ReStore
Trisha
has
been
instrumental
to
the
woman
build
program
which
advised
women
to
advocate
for
affordable
housing,
fundraisers
and
build
in
our
community.
Since
1994
Asheville's
human
women's
build
program
has
built
18
homes
and
raised
over
850
thousand
dollars.
H
Trisha
serves
on
the
board
of
directors
and
virus
committees,
including
the
global
engagement
committee,
having
initial
connected
with
Habitat
for
Humanity
when
workers
overseas
and
international
Educators.
The
couple
has
since
left
15
service
leader
learning
build
trips
for
students
and
adults
to
various
countries
around
the
world.
So
we
take
this
moment
to
say
thank
you
to
both
the
organizations
that
volunteer
who
won
today
and
those
who
did
not
get
recognized
today.
Thank
you.
H
F
I
I
Pitching
the
idea
of
a
mural
project,
so
Buncombe
County
owns
lots
of
facilities
and
buildings,
and
the
idea
was
to
beautify
those
public
spaces.
Thank
you
with
with
mural
art.
So
quick
recap.
Since
a
year
has
gone
by,
we
are
now
celebrating
the
completion
of
the
first
two
mural
projects,
so
we
took
applications
through
a
call
for
submissions
last
November
and
went
through
a
review
process
with
both
internal
and
Community
partner
reviewers
to
help
select
these
murals.
I
I
I
hope
I
pronounced
that
correctly
Leslie's
here
with
us
and
in
a
moment
she'll
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
her
work.
This
is
a
mural
that
she
has
installed
on
the
wall
along
Hilliard
Street
behind
the
tax
office,
which
is
located
at
94,
Cox
Avenue
and
the
title
of
her
mural
is
Aries
Latino
and
it
means
in
English.
You
are
Latin
pride
and
she
installed
this
mural
under
the
support
of
her
mentors
and
Technical
advisors
and
fiscal
agents
that
she'll
thank
as
she
talks
a
little
bit
about
the
mural.
J
Hello,
all
I
am
humbled
to
present
my
latest
mural.
It
is
Latino
centered
in
the
heart
of
Asheville
North
Carolina.
This
vibrant
work
is
a
testament
to
the
resilience,
diversity
and
unity
of
the
Latino
Community,
while
also
highlighting
the
contributions
to
Asheville's
social
fabric.
The
2590
square
foot
mural
depicts
12
figures
from
the
Latino
Community.
It
pictures
members
from
all
walks
of
life
and
their
different
goals.
The
quotes
above
each
character,
are
in
both
Spanish
and
English.
The
mural
is
a
mixed
media
work
using
housegrade,
acrylic
and
spray
paint
with
its
creative
atmosphere.
J
Asheville
provides
the
perfect
canvas
for
this
mural
by
situating
the
mural
in
a
prominent
public
space.
I
hope
it
creates
conversation
for
bridging
gaps
between
cultures
and
fostering
an
appreciation
for
the
strength
that
stems
from
embracing
one's
Heritage.
May
it
be
a
source
of
inspiration
for
generations
to
come,
empowering
them
to
embrace
their
unique
identities
and
walk
with
bread.
I
would
personally
like
to
thank
my
mentors
Gus
Cutty
and
Catherine
Crawford
and
Katie
Cornell
with
Arts
abl.
I
Gus
is
here
in
the
room:
I'd
like
you
to
wave
and
Katie
is
here
as
well.
They
were
really
helpful
in
navigating
all
of
those
things
that
come
along
with
mural
installation
and
I
was
very
pleased
to
get
to
know,
Leslie
and
enjoyed
getting
to
know
her
and
wanted
to
emphasize
again
that
she's,
a
product
of
our
local
Buncombe,
County
Schools.
I
Our
next
artist
that
has
completed
a
mural
is
Gabriel
Eng,
Getz
and
Gabe
has
installed
a
mural
on
the
building
that
houses.
The
register
of
deeds,
which
is
at
205
College
Street
Gabe
is
a
Durham
based
artist,
who's
joining
us
by
Zoom,
so
those
of
you
at
the
podium
can
see
him
coming
on
the
screen
now
and
Gabe
partnered
with
a
local
organization
called
arteria
Collective
and
worked
with
three
young
apprentices.
I
K
F
B
K
Ready
to
go
okay,
I
can
hear
you
now.
Thank
you
yeah.
So
for
this
project
you
know
it
came
across
my
computer
through
a
friend
who
lives
in
Asheville
I'm.
Currently,
you
know
practicing
and
living
in
Durham
North
Carolina.
This
piece
really
cropped.
My
attention,
Asheville
is
a
place
I
love
to
visit,
and
you
know
the.
K
She
was
very
instrumental
in
connecting
me
with
various
you
know:
Community
organizers
and
a
group
called
arteria
Collective,
which
is
a
wonderful
organization
in
Asheville
that
provides
programming
for
a
lot
of
young
people
through
the
Arts
to
you
know
push
for
social
change
in
their
in
their
communities,
so
we
actually
ended
up
hiring
three
apprentices
from
arterial,
Collective,
Ray,
Isla
and
Ariel,
who
you
know
our
three
High
School
aged
kids
from
Buncombe,
County
and
they're.
They
were
great
and
connecting
with
the
community
there.
K
K
So
I
was
able
to
learn
so
much
in
that
week
talking
to
folks
and
also
learning
from
the
feedback
that
my
apprentices
Acquired
and
after
going
through
all
that
information,
the
main
the
main
requests
or
the
main
talking
point
was
housing.
So
this
piece,
actually
that
you
see
here
is,
is
mostly
focused
on
housing
and
celebrating
these
neighborhoods
that
are
historically
black
that
have
been.
You
know
that
have
been
affected
by
past
transgressions,
like
you
know
urban
renewal
and
redlining.
K
So
this
piece
I
really
wanted
to
honor
the
Legacy
make
sure
the
culture
of
these
neighborhoods
was
presented
for
people
to
ask
questions.
You
know
what
it
what
is
Stumptown,
you
know
what
is
South
Side
these
places
that
are,
you
know,
kind
of
in
the
past
now,
but
there
you
still
have
some
community
members
holding
on
and
living
in
these
neighborhoods,
the
meaning
of
this
piece.
K
K
The
female
is
the
one
on
the
right,
which
is
a
little
more
subdued
in
color,
but
you
know
that
to
me
represented
a
family
also,
the
tree
itself
represents
family
and
genealogy,
and
you
have
these
two
hands
that
you
can
see
as
well,
which
are
almost
in
a
first
person
view
helping
construct
this
nest.
There's
other
details,
like
you,
know,
there's
a
pencil
within
the
nest.
You
know
oftentimes
you
find
Birds
used.
K
You
know,
found
objects
that
are
often
human,
so
you
have
a
pencil
in
there,
which
is
actually
reads:
Stevens
Lehigh
on
it,
which
is
the
old.
You
know
black
High
School
the
castle
on
the
hill
as
I
call
it
and
that
you
know
to
me:
I
wanted
to
to
just
honor
the
legacy
of
black
Educators
in
the
area
that
were
you
know
so
important
for
for
creating.
K
After
speaking
to
so
many
people,
especially
older
Generations,
which
were
still
in
Asheville,
you
have
a
house
in
the
nest
which
is
pretty
self-explanatory
for
again
tapping
into
the
housing
theme
that
that
was
so
prevalent,
and
then
you
also
have
these
banners,
which
are
you
know,
hanging
within
the
branches
you
know
flowing
throughout
and
that's
where
we
really
wanted
to
highlight
and
celebrate
some
of
these
neighborhoods.
You
know,
there's
no
single
item
that
really
represents
these
neighborhoods
visually.
So
we
wanted
to
spell
that
out
and
make
sure
that
was
very
clear.
K
And
you
know
the
wonderful
part
about
this
piece
is
its
location.
You
know
I
love,
high
impact
walls
and
it
being
right
on
the
register
of
deeds.
Building
across
from
the
courthouse,
you
have
a
great
view.
The
best
view
actually
is
from
the
courthouse
windows
on
the
upper
floors.
I
would
encourage
you
go
check
it
out
if
you
have
time,
but
this
this
piece,
you
know
the
thing
I
think
I
love
most
about
public
art.
K
You
know
it
should
always
speak
for
people
in
place
and
when
I
do
projects
like
this,
especially
outside
of
my
hometown,
which
is
Durham
I,
get
to
learn
so
much
and
connect
with
so
many
communities.
I
would
never
normally
connect
with,
and
you
know,
just
very
honored
that
Buncombe
County
was
so
forthcoming
and
really
embraced
and
welcomes
me
when
talking
with
them
and
creating
artwork
for
them-
and
you
know
just
wanted
to
thank
you
for
the
opportunity.
It's
been
really
wonderful.
A
I
Thank
you
for
your
patience
with
the
technology,
glad
that
we
were
able
to
bring
Gabe
in
virtually
and
you're
able
to
meet
Leslie
in
person
like
Gabe
mentioned,
we're
excited
about
public
art
and
what
that,
where
that
could
go
for
us
as
a
County
government.
Before
we
move
on
past
the
creative
Equity
mural
project,
we
still
have
one
more
project
to
go.
Jared
Wheatley
could
not
be
here
this
evening.
I
He
is
working
on
the
preliminary
stages
of
the
mural
that
he'll
be
installing
at
the
parking
deck
at
164
College
Street
through
the
indigenous
walls
project
he's
currently
doing
some
collaboration
and
Community
engagement
on
the
koala
boundary
with
the
Eastern
band
of
Cherokee
Indians,
both
on
the
the
language
or
the
syllabary
side,
as
well
as
the
design
and
basket
weave
and
cultural
elements.
So
looking
forward
to
more
good
news
to
come,
thank
you.
A
All
right
thanks
thanks
Rachel
and
so
I
just
want
to
say
a
great
job
to
everyone
involved
in
this.
It's
obviously
a
great
idea
when
it
came
forward
and
but
it's
just
turned
out
so
well.
So
thank
you
to
everyone
who
kind
of
originated
this
idea
and
to
Leslie
and
Gabriel
may
not
be
able
to
hear
us
anymore,
but
you
know
just
they're,
just
really
amazing
and
beautiful.
So
thank
you
for
sharing
your
talents
with
our
community.
It's
really
an
amazing
contribution,
so
really
appreciate.
A
M
Good
afternoon
Commissioners
and
we'll
see
if
the
technology
works.
For
us,
my
name
is
Ray
hemichandra
I'm,
a
vice
chair
of
the
Strategic
partnership
grants
committee
with
Dr
Amy,
Russell
who's
going
to
be
presenting
with
me
and
in
the
audience
we
have
oops
in
the
audience.
Is
that
better
good?
In
the
audience
we
have
Kate
Berger
who's?
Our
chair
and
I
also
want
to
recognize
the
staff
we
have
in
the
audience
Rachel,
who
just
left
the
room
and
Sarah
Joss
Steph
County
staff.
M
Do
such
a
amazing,
steadfast
excellent
job
supporting
the
committee
in
its
work,
so
we're
just
going
to
give
an
update
about
the
program
and
wow
the
clicker's
working.
That's
great.
The
committee's
purpose
is
to
make
strategic
partnership
Grant
investment
recommendations
to
the
Board
of
Commissioners.
Each
year
you
fund
to
the
amount
of
none
approximately
nine
hundred
thousand
dollars
each
year,
strategic
partnership
grant
funding
is
granted
to
non-profit
organizations
or
non-profit
aligned
organization
projects
working
toward
outcomes
in
alignment
with
board
goals.
M
It
was
formed
in
2020
now
in
its
fourth
funding
year,
I'm
on
my
third
year
on
the
committee
we
just
have.
The
members
of
the
committee
listed
here
again
recognizing
Kate
in
the
audience
and
I'm
going
to
go
past
that
one
and
talk
about
the
grand
cycle
because
we're
just
starting
the
grand
cycle.
It's
the
the
grant
year
began
on
July
1st,
so
we're
early
in
that
Grant
year.
This
is
the
time
of
the
year
where
County
staff
is
doing
grant
monitoring
and
support,
and
the
committee
itself
is
working
on
process.
M
Improvement,
Grant
applications
happen,
mid-winter
December
through
February,
and
the
committee
reviews
in
the
spring,
from
March
to
May,
with
the
awards
happening
in
June
with
County,
with
commissioner
approval
okay
activities.
In
the
past
year
in
July
we
had
the
grantee
cohort
call
that
is
for
orientation.
For
for
folks
who
have
gotten
grants
in
the
fall,
we'd
conduct
our
site
visits
and
we
do
them
in
person,
and
we
do
them
virtually
and
I.
M
All
the
committee
members
love
those
site
visits,
we're
kind
of
representing
the
county
in
some
capacity
out
in
the
community
and
really
seeing
the
work
being
done
with
the
grants,
the
funds
you're
providing.
So
thank
you
in
January.
There's
a
grant.
Writing
Workshop
again
that
aligns
with
when
the
grants
are
opened
up
so
that
way
organizations
that
have
less
experience
in
grant.
M
Writing
can
get
some
support
from
County
staff
grants
or
reviewed
February
through
March
and
and
then
we
meet
repeatedly
to
kind
of
make
sure
we're
where
we
want
to
be
and
we're
representing
the
values
of
the
county
and
the
goals
of
the
county
appropriately
fund
finalized
funding,
recommend
recommendations.
Pardon
me
happened
in
April
and
it
comes
to
you
and
then
we
we
loop
around
back
to
process
Improvement
discussions.
M
M
M
M
You
can
see
that
the
funded
amount
of
900
000
that
the
requested
amount
was
3.6
times
the
funded
amount,
just
showing
the
need
just
of
the
organizations
that
are
active
enough
to
apply
for
this
kind
of
funding.
16
of
the
projects
were
renewal
of
the
71
projects
requested
were
renewal.
Applications
55
were
new
project
proposals,
which
is
a
good
sign.
It
shows
that
we're
getting
word
out
there
about
the
program
and
more
organizations
are
applying
for
more
projects.
M
E
E
Okay,
so
you
can
see
here
under
education.
We
had
13
projects
that
requested
over
seven
hundred
thousand
and
we
awarded
eight
projects
over
three
hundred
thousand
and
that
was
62
of
applications
funded
in
environment.
We
had
six
projects
and
awarded
two
projects
of
35
000
and
that
was
33
of
applications
funded
under
well-being.
We
had
42
projects
over
a
million
of
almost
2
million
and
we
awarded
10
projects
of
375
000
and
in
economy.
There
were
10
projects
of
394
000
and
we
awarded
three
projects
of
over
a
hundred
and
thirty
thousand.
E
E
And
this
is
a
breakdown
by
each
one
of
those
categories
in
terms
of
what
what
additional
category
subcategory
was
awarded
so
under
educated
and
capable
Community,
we
had
88
000
under
adult
education,
270
000
under
K-12
education,
environmental
stewardship,
the
35
000
was
under
Soil
and
Water
Quality
under
Vibrant
Community
Financial
well-being
was
60,
000,
small
business,
seventy
thousand
and
then
resident
well-being,
basic
needs,
food,
legal
safety
and
wellness
all
had
some
funding
related
to
that
feel
free
to
pause.
That
pause
me.
E
So
to
talk
about
some
highlights
of
the
process,
I
was
new
to
the
process
this
year
and
so
came
in
with
fresh
eyes
and
I
was
incredibly
impressed
with
the
app
the
applicants.
So
it
was
amazing
to
read
all
the
rich
proposals
and
to
really
have
a
pride
in
our
County
and
all
the
things
that
people
are
doing
to
try
to
improve
and
and
support
our
community
members.
The
projects
were
of
great
diversity
of
all
these
categories
and
really
high
quality.
E
I
was
not
able
to
do
site
visits
being
new
to
the
committee,
but
I
did
hear
from
a
lot
of
committee
members
that
that
was
really
meaningful
and,
and
we
do
plan
to
do
that
again
this
year.
It
helps
us
engage
with
the
grantees
and
really
get
to
know
them
and
and
see
the
work
that
they're
doing
on
the
committee
side,
a
great
collaborative
committee
environment
as
a
new
Committee
Member,
a
lot
of
people
helped
me
figure
out
how
to
how
to
navigate
the
process.
E
So
again
as
a
new
Committee
Member,
we
had
71
grants
and
that
seems
like
a
lot
to
do
and
the
way
they
organized
it
in
the
way
that
application
process
works
and
the
process
of
review
was
very
streamlined
and
very
effective.
And
so
I
just
really
appreciate
the
team's
work
to
make
that
happen
for
us
it's
online
and
you
can
review
side
by
side
the,
how
you
score
the
application
and
the
content
of
the
application
and
we're
able
to
meet
as
a
committee
in
person
and
online.
E
E
It
was
hard
to
make
these
decisions
in
terms
of
who
we
would
fund
and
and
there's
a
lot
of
opportunity
to
do
more.
We
are
really
interested
in
expanding
the
pool
of
applicants
and
environment
because
that
was,
we
didn't
have
as
many
applicants
and
you
know
to
consider
expanding
more
applicants
and
and
still
having
a
limited
funding
is.
Is
it's
difficult
to
think
about
that?
But
we
just
wanted
to
make
that
recommendation
again
through
the
process.
E
We
had
recommended
an
80
000
limit,
but
we
want
to
make
that
a
hard
caps
to
open
up
the
possibility
for
more
applicants
and
to
ensure
that
we
can
incentivize
people
with
smaller
Grant
applications
to
come
into
the
process,
and
we
are
exploring
ways
to
better
assess
our
ability
to
serve
the
entire
geographic
area
of
Buncombe
County.
It's
easier
said
than
done.
It's
pretty
easy
to
see
where
the
service
organization
is,
but
the
population
served
is
much
more
difficult,
so
we're
exploring
how
we
can
identify
that
we're
doing
a
good
job
with
that.
E
We've
talked
about
other
ways
to
add
additional
factors
to
the
scoring
to
incentivize
small,
smaller,
newer
organizations
with
leaner
budgets.
We
do.
We
are
aware
that
larger
organizations
may
have
Grant
Riders
and
more
resources
and
can
prepare
projects
in
a
way.
That
is
more
appealing
to
those
of
us
who
who
are
grading,
but
we
want
to
figure
out
ways
to
really
get
new
people
into
the
process
and
also
we're
looking
at
ways
to
improve
the
category.
E
Some
some
of
the
applicants
can
fall
in
in
more
than
one
category
and
and
we're
trying
to
make
sure
that
we're
considering
that
in
the
process
so
next
steps,
our
staff
is
working
with
the
grantees
on
their
funding
agreements,
and
you
will
see
that
they
will
be
publishing
quarterly
their
performance
and
we'll
be
able
to
see
that
as
well.
And
then
we
expect
the
committee
members
to
do
some
site
visits
as
and
we're
offering
that
in
person
in
Virtual,
and
we
are
already
planning
for
the
next
Grant
cycle
and
I.
Think
that's
any
questions.
E
N
I'll
just
say
thank
you
very
much,
I
appreciate
all
this
good
information
and
appreciate
the
work
that
you
do
for
this
committee
and
also
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
you're
continuing
to
always
look
at
process
improvements
and,
over
my
time
on
the
commission
I've
certainly
seen
that
throughout
that
time.
And
so
thank
you
all
for
your
good
work
and
your
service
to
our
community
and
Kate
as
well.
O
Thank
you
all
so
much
I'm
so
excited
to
see
how
this
has
continued
to
evolve
since
2020
and
I
know.
Reading
71
Grant
applications
is
no
easy
feat,
so
let
me
first
say
kudos
to
each
of
you
on
the
committee
for
that
undertaking
in
and
of
itself
and
really
focusing
these
on
metrics
and
scoring
in
order
to
ensure
fairness
and
Equity
throughout
the
process
in
taking
the
politics
out
of
it.
O
A
P
P
And
then
we
will
have
expenditure
updates
once
we
have
a
sub-recipient
and
are
working
on
actual
having
these
homes
identified.
So
we
are
have
gone
through
the
whole
award
process.
The
request
for
project
proposals
were
now
at
the
point
of
selecting
the
sub-recipients
from
the
applications.
This
just
gives
you
an
outline
of
all
of
the
steps
that
we
will
be
going
through
in
this
process.
P
So
in
the
last
quarter
we
put
out
the
first
RFP
for
the
funding
level
at
fifteen
thousand
to
thirty
thousand
dollars
as
part
of
our
program
that
we
had
designed
with
Commerce
and
what
was
approved
there
actually
was
no
response
to
that
RFP,
which
was
very
disappointing
so
with
feedback
from
our
local
non-profit
Partners
who
do
home
repairs.
There
was
an
indication
that
liens,
which
was
going
to
be
a
part
of
this
with
Commerce
requirements,
did
not
actually
meet
the
needs
of
our
homeowners
and
was
actually
a
barrier
to
their
applications
for
this
funding.
Q
P
That
was
good
information,
so
we
went
back
to
Commerce,
revised
the
program
and
had
put
out
a
second
RFP
so
that
we
could
reduce
those
levels
of
Investments.
So
it's
below
that
lean
level.
So
there's
no
deed
and
promissory
note
required,
which
is
definitely
more
opened
up
our
ability
to
attract
applicants
for
this
process.
So
now
we
are
actually
in
the
process
of
reviewing
the
applications,
the
sub-recipient
selection
and
then
we
will
be
going
to
contract
in
September.
So
that'll
come
in
the
next
report.
For
you.
P
Right
so
this
will
be
the
overall
process.
What's
remaining
so
we'll
just
move
through
these
every
time.
I
come
back
by
the
report.
For
you
just
all
the
steps
this
project
will
actually
be
going
through.
20
June
of
2025
is
when
we
will
be
actually
concluding
it
and
closing
out
so
that'll,
be
our
our
time
frame
for
this,
and
hopefully
we'll
be
moving
to
identifying
homes
to
be
repaired
soon.
R
Good
evening,
chair
and
Commissioners
pleased
to
be
here
to
speak
this
evening
about
the
affordable
parking
program
provide
an
update.
We
have
a
few
slides
for
you
to
get
us
through
today,
so
we'll
wait
for
those
to
come
up,
but
purpose
today
is
really
to
provide
an
update
to
Commission,
on
kind
of
where
we've
been
and
then
where
we're
headed,
based
on
Direction,
provided
by
Commission,
so
program
updates,
we'll
hear
how
we've
been
doing
at
Cox
avenue
or
Sears
alley,
as
well
as
our
proposed
next
steps
for
the
College
Street
deck
so
program
overview.
R
The
plan
was
to
issue
150.
Affordable
parking
passes
at
the
Cox
avenue
parking
garage,
which
is
what
we
call
it,
but
it's
technically
addressed
as
11
Sears
alley.
There
was
eligibility
criteria
associated
with
this
and
those
criteria
on
the
screen,
but
in
general,
a
purpose
of
the
parking
program
was
to
assist
those
below
80
Ami
so
of
low
to
moderate
income.
R
There
were
some
additional
requirements
with
the
program
a
valid
driver's
license,
since
this
is
a
parking
program,
the
need
for
a
credit
card
that
could
draw
down
the
program
and
additionally,
to
be
18
or
older
as
a
refresher.
The
the
monthly
pass
that's
available
is
at
forty
dollars
a
month
which
is
over
half
of
a
reduction
on
the
the
market
rate
that
was
charged
at
this
deck.
R
R
We
had
a
cancel
rate
that
was
relatively
low.
Six
folks
signed
up
and
then
did
not
continue
their
subscription,
which
we
would
expect
to
happen
and
So,
based
on
the
vacancy
rate
and
based
on
the
way
that
we
rolled
out
this
program.
If
you'll
recall,
we
set
up
an
application
process
where
we
had
a
two-week
window
to
collect
applicants
rather
than
going
to
a
first
come
first
serve
program.
R
The
thought
process
at
the
time
which
I
feel
was
sound,
was
from
an
equity
standpoint
to
give
more
people
the
opportunity
to
have
access
to
the
program.
Since
we've
seen
a
50
uptake,
we
feel
that
it's
appropriate
at
this
time
to
move
to
a
first
come
first
serve
program.
That
way,
folks
that
are
eligible
for
the
program
can
get
access
to
it
in
real
time
and
not
have
to
wait
around
for
application
windows.
R
So
we
feel
strongly
about
that
and
we'll
move
forward
with
that
and
we'll
do
that
effective
immediately.
Additionally,
we
want
to
increase
our
marketing
efforts.
We
had
great
support
from
a
number
of
organizations
in
the
community,
including
Jen
Hampton
and
her
team,
the
Downtown
Association
air
and
others.
So
we'll
continue
marketing
through
those
that
are
closest
to
the
folks
that
we
want
to
apply
to
the
program.
R
So
those
are
changes
that
we
expect
to
move
forward
effective
immediately,
but
wanted
to
give
you
some
additional
depth
on
kind
of
what
happened
so
from
a
utilization
perspective.
We've
got
just
a
simple
bar
chart
here,
structured
around
months,
and
each
of
these
numbers
reflects
basically
the
number
of
times
someone
has
entered
the
deck
and
so
and
when
I
say
entering
the
deck
as
a
member
of
our
affordable
parking
program.
So
you
can
see
anywhere
between
850
and
almost
a
thousand
entries
in
and
out
of
the
deck
amongst
those
75
people.
R
The
message
here
is
that
the
program
is
being
utilized.
We
didn't
you
know
there
were
concerns
at
the
time
potentially
well.
Folks
may
not
use
them.
This
shows
us
clearly
that
the
program's
getting
utilized
by
those
that
are
eligible
additionally
wanted
to
take
a
next
step
and
try
to
translate
this
into
what
we'll
call
kind
of
a
cost
savings.
So
the
whole
purpose
of
the
program
is
to
benefit
those
that
are
low
to
moderate
income
that
need
parking
resources.
R
So
we
made
an
attempt
to
translate
this
into
a
cost.
We
could
go
to
the
next
slide.
Please
thank
you,
and
so
what
we've
done
here?
This
is
an
exact
we
haven't
interviewed
our
our
eligible
applicants,
but
you
can
see
if
we
take
the
general
cost
of
how
long
it
would
take
to
park
in
this
deck
for
an
eight
hour
period
in
a
day
and
translate
that
to
each
of
our
applicants.
R
Based
on
the
number
of
times
we
think
they've
been
in
our
deck,
you
can
see
there's
a
monthly
savings
of
anywhere
between
sixty
dollars
and
almost
eighty
dollars
a
month
per
person
so
set
another
way.
You
know
this
is
you
know
a
trip
to
the
grocery
store,
a
couple
tanks
of
gas.
You
know
a
rent
payment
over
the
course
of
a
year.
So
the
story
here,
the
problems.
The
program
is
working,
there's
a
genuine
cost
savings
to
those
that
participate,
and
for
that
reason
we
want
to
expand
the
program
and
keep
it
going.
R
So
any
questions
on
anything
I've
shared
there
great
so
with
that
said,
I've
been
before
y'all
before
and
talked
about
potential
next
steps
on
the
College,
Street
deck
and
so
just
want
to
provide
an
update
there.
So
what
we
did
similar
to
the
Cox
avenue
deck
we
surveyed
the
folks
that
we
thought
would
be
interested
in
the
program
that
survey
was
issued
in
January.
We
had
about
160
participants,
72
percent
said
they
would
likely
participate
in
the
program.
68
earn
less
than
20
an
hour
and
you
can
see
on.
R
There
were
other
survey
considerations
I'm
not
going
to
read
all
of
this
to
you,
but
the
general
idea.
We
asked
people
like
what
are
your
concerns
around
parking
and
other
things
in
general,
consistent
feedback,
please
have
more
spaces
at
more
locations,
and
so
that's
why
we're
here
today.
Additionally,
there
have
been
questions
about
safety.
We've
addressed
some
of
those
at
the
Cox
avenue
deck
through
additional
security
call
boxes,
things
of
that
nature,
but
also
some
additional
areas
for
us
to
focus
on.
R
So
we
took
that
survey
analysis
and
then
had
to
do
a
little
bit
of
looking
at
ourselves.
You
know
what's
different
about
the
the
Cox
avenue
Jack
and
our
College
Street
deck,
it's
our
College
Street
deck
has
a
great
influx
of
traffic
in
Partition,
in
particular,
related
to
the
judicial
complex.
You
know,
folks
are
coming
in
and
out
of
jury
duty
doing
a
number
of
things.
We're
also
adjacent
to
this
building,
of
course,
and
so
there's
a
number
of
folks
that
park
there.
R
That
shows
you
kind
of
peak
capacity
during
those
points.
Additionally,
anecdotally.
We
know
that
the
deck
is
busier
during
sort
of
early
morning
hours.
You
know,
thinking
the
mornings
less
busy
at
night.
So
with
all
that
said,
and
considering
some
potential
changes
with
you
know
the
facility
study
and
other
things
staff
is
recommending
moving
forward
with
50
slots
at
the
College
Street
deck,
to
make
those
available
effective
immediately
and
then
evaluating
that
over
time
to
see
kind
of
what
changes
occur.
R
As
recently
as
last
week,
I
was
notified
that
our
parking
was
all
the
way
up
to
the
rooftop
and
that
we
needed
to
be
careful
about
how
many
spots
we
offered,
and
so
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
over
subscribing
and
then
frustrating
folks.
So
our
proposal
is
to
go
forward
with
50
spots,
evaluated
over
time,
we'll
be
back
before
the
commission
to
kind
of
let
you
know
how
it
goes
so
next
steps,
barring
any
feedback
from
commission
staff's
ready
to
move
forward.
R
A
A
A
Transportation
is
their
next
highest
expense
and
there's
different
things
that
go
into
it,
but
for
people
who
work
downtown,
the
parking
part
of
it
is
one
of
the
biggest
parts
so
providing
people
in
our
Workforce
with
an
affordable
way
to
get
to
close
to
where
their
work
is
really
very
valuable.
So
we
really
appreciate
everyone
working
on
this
and
look
forward
to
further
updates
absolutely.
F
A
T
The
hearing
was
properly
noticed
and
all
applicable
parties
notified
of
the
meeting
in
accordance
with
General
statutes
in
county
code.
That
includes
the
legal
ad
in
the
Citizen
Times
newspaper
notices,
mailed
to
Property
Owners
within
a
thousand
feet
of
the
subject,
parcel
a
notice
on
the
County's
website.
A
physical
posting
on
the
property
and
I
do
apologize.
These
are
the
wrong
dates.
These
are
the
dates
from
the
planning
board
public
hearing
and
the
correct
dates
are
August
4th
for
all
of
the
postings,
and
today
is
the
public
hearing
on
August
15th.
So.
T
T
This
chart
compares
the
dimensional
standards
of
the
two
zoning
districts.
If
the
zoning
request
is
approved,
the
required
setbacks
of
the
property
lines
would
change
from
10
feet
in
the
front
seven
feet
on
the
sides
and
15
feet
in
the
rear
to
10
feet
on
all
sides
and
the
maximum
height
in
the
district
would
increase.
T
In
addition,
the
types
of
uses
on
the
property
would
increase
as
well.
Currently
the
neighborhood
service
zoning
district
is
a
lower
intensity.
Mixed
use,
District
commercial
service
zoning
would
allow
for
uses
such
as
commercial,
planned
unit
developments,
manufacturing
and
processing,
motor
vehicle,
impoundment
yard,
cargo,
freight
terminals,
operations
and
activities,
storage
and
warehousing
Healthcare
facilities
and
more.
T
T
F
A
U
Hi
they're
they're,
not
native
speakers,
I'm,
a
family
friend,
because
my
wife's
part
of
the
Taiwanese
American
Community
here
so
I
just
thought.
I'd
summarize
what
they
told
me
before
the
meeting
started,
which
is
that
they
have
no
immediate
plans
to
do
anything
differently,
but
they
they.
You
know
it
would
like
the
flexibility
and
the
chance
to
do
it.
They
think
maybe
they
would
have
fewer
you
know
fewer
months
without
any
anyone
to
rent
to
it
would
give
them
greater
flexibility,
more
more
opportunities
to
develop
a
lot.
U
A
V
A
Q
Q
I
always
be
there,
we
go
so
this
hearing
was
properly
noticed
and
all
applicable
parties
were
notified
of
the
meeting
in
accordance
with
General
statutes
and
county
code.
That
included
a
legal
ad
in
the
Citizen
Times
newspaper
notices,
mailed
to
Property
Owners
within
a
thousand
feet
of
the
subject,
parcel
a
notice
on
the
County's
website
and
physical
posting
on
the
site.
Q
Q
Q
This
chart
compares
the
dimensional
standards
of
the
two
zoning
districts
and
if
the
rezoning
request
is
approved,
the
minimum
allowed
lot
size
would
decrease
the
required
setbacks
off
of
property
lines
would
increase
and
the
maximum
allowed
height
of
structures
would
also
increase.
The
type
of
uses
allowed
on
the
property
would
increase
as
well.
A
A
A
Okay,
we
come
to
the
county
manager's
report
Opera
any
items.
Okay
great.
We
have
no
old
business
items,
so
new
business
approval
of
Child,
Protective,
Services
investigation,
situational
overview
recommendations
and
recruitment,
incentive
I.
Think
Sharon
Burke
from
HR
is
here
to
help
us
out
with
this.
W
So
the
investigations
division
within
Health
Human
Services
is
simultaneously
experiencing
heavy
turnover
due
to
resignations
and
transfers
and
a
shortage
of
qualified
applicants
to
fill
positions.
The
result
is
negatively
affecting
the
County's
ability
to
meet
State
mandates
for
caseloads,
and
so,
as
you
you
see
on
the
slide,
we
have
taken
some
steps
already
to
remedy
this
situation.
W
W
So
we
have
been
looking
at
this
issue
for
a
little
while
and
back
in
May
on
the
left
side,
you'll
see
where
the
average
of
Investigations
was
taking
about
29.7
days
and
on
average
now
on,
you
know,
August
4th
it
was
taking
36.9
as
you
go
through.
I
won't
go
through
each
one
of
these
these
points,
but
what
I
can
do
is
that
we
have
a
little
bit
of
positive
movement
and
I
wanted
to
share
with
you,
since
we
had
created
the
slide
on
8-4
some
of
those
positive
movements.
W
W
W
So
right
now
we
have
197
cases
and
that's
about
13
cases
per
employee
and
then
on
top
of
that
we
still
have
repurposed
seven
of
our
other
social
workers
into
those
positions
to
assist
them,
and
we
have
had
some
success
in
our
temporary
staffing
agency,
where
we've
been
able
to
are
getting
ready
to
onboard
two
new
social
workers
from
Spark.
That's
some
good
news,
so
we've
made
some
implemented
changes
and
what
we
have
done
is
looked
at
our
job
descriptions
and
we
made
some
changes
to
the
degrees
which
hopefully
removed
some
barriers
there.
W
W
W
And
so
recommendations
that
we
bring
forward
to
you
today
is
that
we
Implement
a
200
per
pay
period,
stipend
that
would
be
given
to
our
investigators
and
the
supervisors
within
that
that
unit,
and
that
would
be
an
estimate
about
fifty
two
hundred
dollars
for
each
employee
for
the
full
year.
Then
we're
looking
at
reviewing
the
investigative
classification
specifically
when
you
look
at
the
social
workers.
W
Not
all
the
social
workers
have
the
investigation
portion
of
that,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
that
we're
being
competitive
and
that
they're
graded
correctly
and
we'll
be
bringing
forward
any
recommendations
into
the
fiscal
25
pay
plan
and
the
next
is
recruitment
incentive.
And
what
we're
looking
at
doing
is
adding
a
750
recruitment
incentive
and
what
that
would
be
done
is
paid
out
in
three
separate
installments.
The
first
installment
would
be
250
after
the
employee
has.
W
The
new
hire
has
been
in
place
for
one
week
and
then
another
250
when
they've
been
here
six
months
and
then
final
when
they've
been
here
one
full
year
round
out
that
250.
and
that
would
be
to
Buncombe
County
employees
and
during
this
process
no
additional
funding
is
being
requested
from
you
all.
It's
going
to
be
coming
from
lap
salaries.
W
So
unless
you
have
any
questions,
what
we'd
be
looking
at
is
for
the
board
to
make
a
recommendation
specifically
to
approve
temporary
allowance
for
child
protective
services
ietsws
and
their
supervisors,
as
well
as
approval
recruitment
incentive
for
existing
employees
to
recruit
new
hires
into
the
CPS
Public
Safety
Communications,
which
is
our
911
telecommunicators.
And
then
our
Detention
officers.
A
X
Thank
you,
chair
members
of
the
commission.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
am
here
to
talk
about
a
tax
refund
request
made
by
General
Electric
Healthcare,
Finance,
Services,
LLC
and
I
want
to
make
one
point
that
GE
wanted
to
make
very
clear.
That
is
not
the
local,
our
local
GE
Aerospace.
There
are
numerous
divisions
of
GE
and
this
is
their
financing
arm,
and
so
this
is
not
not
a
request
from
the
local
this,
and
this
is
and
so
just
to
be
clear
on
that.
X
So
that's
something
to
keep
in
mind
when
issuing
tax
refunds,
so
a
taxpayer
May
request
a
refund
from
the
county
for
the
following
reasons:
tax
imposed
through
a
clerical
error
and
a
legal
tax
or
a
tax
levied
for
an
illegal
purpose.
We
do
not
need
to
deal
with
a
clerical
error
or
a
tax
levied
for
an
illegal
purpose.
X
So
if
the
Commissioners
choose
to
deny
the
tax
request,
the
taxpayer
will
have
three
years
from
the
date
of
the
resolution
to
bring
an
action
in
civil
courts
or
in
basically
Superior
Court.
If
the
taxpayer's
lawsuit
is
successful,
the
county
would
have
to
pay
six
percent
interest
and
costs
the
statute
and
the
case
law
is
very
unclear
as
to
when
the
interest
begins
to
run
and
what
actually
constitutes
costs.
So
there
there
could
be
a
additional
expenses
if
a
refund
is
denied,
and
it
turns
out
late
in
their
court
case
is
successful.
X
So
I
want
you
to
be
aware
of
that.
So,
in
this
case
involves
GE
is
basically
alleging
that
Buncombe
County
has
issued
an
illegal
tax
by
taxing
its
business
personal
property,
twice
all
right.
So,
pursuant
to
North
Carolina
statute,
105
274
Buncombe
County
has
the
authority
to
tax
all
property.
Real
and
personable
personal
is
subject
to
taxation.
X
Unless
there's
an
exemption
or
excluded
by
Statute
each
year,
the
taxpayer
submits
to
the
county
a
list
of
their
tangible
personal
property
based
on
that
list
that
they
get
the
county,
determines
the
value
and
basically
assesses
a
value.
Much
like
in
real
property
how
much
they
value
your
home,
the
canning
will
value
how
much
your
computers
and
your
Machinery
or
whatnot
that
you
have
so
pursuant
to
105-306
all
tangible
personal
property
shall
be
listed
in
the
name
of
the
owner
on
the
day
which
the
property
is
listed
for
taxation.
X
X
Okay,
so
in
this
case
we're
dealing
with
three
separate
companies
and
I
will
call
them.
General,
General,
General,
Electric,
Industrial,
GE,
Capital
and
just
general
lecture
company
they're
all
separate
legal
entities,
GE
Healthcare
and
finance
is
more
or
less
the
successor
of
GE
industrial
and
GE
Capital,
all
right.
X
So
in
2019
and
2020
GE
Capital
submitted
a
list
of
equipment
that
was
kept
at
their
Sweden
Creek
Plant
to
the
tax
assessor,
so
they
submitted
a
list
of
other
tangible
personal
property
to
the
tax.
Assessor
GE
industrial
also
submitted
a
list
of
tangible
personal
property
to
the
tax,
assessor
and
finally,
for
2019
and
2020
GE
also
submitted
a
list
of
tangible
personal
property
to
the
tax
assessor.
X
X
X
So
it's
ge's
position
that
it
was
taxed
twice.
The
same
tangible
personal
property
was
taxed
twice
in
tax
year,
2019
in
2020.,
GE
is
arguing
or
making
the
argument
that
it
is
in
a
legal
tax
to
tax
the
same
property
twice
in
the
same
year,
which
constitutes
this
concept
called
double
Taxation
and
double
taxations
and
illegal
tax
GE
is
requesting
that
the
county
refund
279.
X
0
dollars,
which
is
its
portion
of
the
tangible
personal
property
tax
for
2019
and
2020.
they've,
also
made
a
refund
request
to
the
city
of
Asheville,
and
their
portion
of
that
would
be
2,
27,
000
and
seven
dollars,
and
the
total
combined
of
those
things
is
a
roughly
five
hundred
and
six
thousand
dollars.
X
So
what
is
double
taxation?
So
double
taxation
is
a
legal
Theory
down
in
a
lot
of
treatises,
which
are
kind
of
books
like
Encyclopedia
of
the
law
that
basically
states
that,
when
the
taxing
Authority
taxes,
the
same
property
for
the
same
purpose
within
the
same
jurisdiction
during
the
same
taxing
period,
that
is
not
a
good
thing.
Double
taxation
is
not
looked
at
favorably
in
these
legal
treatises.
X
I
can
say
that
that
our
Institute
of
government
has
also
the
the
professor.
There
has
said
that
the
double
taxation
in
a
2010
prep
publication
also
said
that
double
taxation
is
an
illegal
tax.
However,
when
researching
this,
we
were
unable
to
find
double
taxation
ever
applied
by
the
North
Carolina
Courts
Okay.
So
we've
never
seen
a
North
Carolina
Court
saying
double
taxation
is
illegal
in
North
Carolina.
X
We
have
also
not
found
a
statute
that
basically
prohibits
that
okay.
So
what
basically,
the
law,
as
we
should
say,
is,
is
basically
these
treatises
and
people's
opinions,
but
we
don't
have
anything
that
we
were
really
able
to.
Like
hang
our
hat
on
and
say
this
is
a
you
know,
it
is
either
is
or
isn't
so
it's
really
an
open
question.
X
What
we
found
was,
or
what
staff
found
is
that
the
court
of
appeal,
the
court
of
appeals,
defines
an
illegal
taxes,
the
tax
that's
imposed
without
Authority,
or
taxing
property
that
has
a
valid
exemption.
Well,
the
business
personal
property
tax
that
was
assessed
is
legal
in
North
Carolina
staff
did
nothing
wrong.
Staff
basically
took
the
information
that
it
received
and
processed
it,
so
we
have
a
hard
time
calling
that
an
illegal
tax.
X
X
We
also
believe
that
when
GE
should
have
discovered
these
listing
and
tax
and
valuation
errors
sooner
and
that
basically
they
should
have
if
they
had
a
problem
with
their
listing.
They
should
have
appealed
that
to
the
Board
of
Equalization
and
review.
The
reason
we
say
that
is
that
if
people
can
come
back
up
to
five
years
later
and
try
to
claim
tax
refunds,
that
makes
it
very
difficult
for
us
to
basically
know
how
much
money
we're
bringing
in
and
how
much
money
I
mean
that
affects
our
budget.
X
We
have
submitted
to
you
to
two
ordinance
or
two
resolutions.
One
granting
the
granting
the
the
taxpayers
refund
and
one
not
I,
do
want
to
say
that
we've
done
some
further
research
since
the
last
time
that
this
issue
was
brought
up
and
I
want
to
say
that
I've,
researched
and
I
have
found
no
case
law
in
North
Carolina,
where
Commissioners
have
been
sued
for
granting
a
tax
refund.
X
X
B
N
X
A
Is
it
you
just
ask
this
like
I,
mean
I,
think
I've
followed
everything
he
presented,
I
think
I
get
the
logic
of
it,
but
but
I'm
also
just
is
it.
Is
it
legal
to
knowingly,
because
I
think
the
facts
are
not
in
dispute?
In
the
case
it
doesn't
sound
like?
Is
it
legal
for
us
to
knowingly
collect
and
keep
an
incorrect
amount
of
tax
money,
because
we're
supposed
to
tax
all
this
property
in
an
accurate
and
like
means
right?
Let's
Keith,
just
talked
all
about
it
right.
A
X
X
Been
right
and
what
you're
talking
about
is
North
Carolina
Constitution,
basically
states
that
local
governments
shall
assess
taxes
in
a
uniform
manner,
which
is
basically
the
doctrine
of
uniformity,
and
so
yes,
it
is
a
question,
can
I
answer
it?
I
don't
have
the
the
problem.
I
think
with
this
is
that
it
is
pretty
much
a
matter
of
first
impression
that
it
hasn't
gone
to
the
court
of
appeals
that
that
none
of
this
has
actually
been
litigated
to
the
extent
where
we
have
any
case
law.
X
Nor
do
we
have
the
general
assembly
having
anything
in
the
statutes.
Now,
on
the
times
when
double
taxation
has
been
brought
up,
the
North
Carolina
Courts
have
held
now
mind
you
it's
a
different
circumstances,
then
a
tax
listing
a
listing
error,
but
the
court
has
said
that
that
the
14th
Amendment
does
not
prohibit
or
does
not
prohibit
double
taxation,
nor
does
the
North
Carolina
State
Constitution
prohibit
double
taxation,
but
if
you're
talking
about
from
a
Equity
standpoint,.
X
Yeah
I
mean
you
know
you
shouldn't
be
going
out
and
and
purposely
double
taxing,
but
I
I.
Think
in
this
situation
you
don't
have
that.
It's
not
like
the
county
said
we're
going
to
tax
this
property
twice.
We
were
basically
relying
on
the
accuracy
the
information
provided
to
the
county
from
the
taxpayer
and
I
think
that
is
a
very
different
situation
than
the
county.
Just
going
off
and
purposely
saying
I'm
going
to
tax
this
homeowner
twice.
Z
I'm
saying
I'm
saying
that
in
2019,
when
we
received
those
listings,
we
went
on
full
faith
that
they
were
correct.
They
have
come
back
five
years
later
and
said
it
was
wrong.
So
I
do
have
to
say
the
the
discovery
period
is
five.
Had
we
known
that,
then
they
could
have
appealed
just
like
we
do
for
any
Resident.
S
Ahead
well,
the
problem
I
have
with
this
is
we're
not
dealing
with
the
mom
and
pop
business,
we're
dealing
with
a
Fortune
500
company
and
when
they
it
takes
them
five
years
to
catch
their
mistake,
and
we
have
already
spent
the
taxpayers
money.
I
mean
the
money
has
been
spent.
I,
don't
think
we
own
anything.
A
I
mean
I'm
I'm
open
to
the
idea
that
their
argument
is
strong,
but
that
the
window
to
make
the
case
for
it
has
closed.
But
but
if,
let's
just
let's
stay
with
that
idea
for
a
minute,
was
there
a
window
or
what
was
from
the
staff's
perspective?
What
was
the
window
to
detect
the
administrative
error
and
fix
it,
and
when
did
that
close
Well.
X
Z
And
I
jump
in
if
you
recall
the
schedule
that
Keith
showed
earlier
today,
the
the
taxes
date
on
January,
the
1st
and
the
appeal
process
is
usually
ends
in
mid-april.
So
every
year
you
have
the
opportunity
to
appeal
to
to
list
an
appeal
and
that
appeal
process
for
boarding
enr
ends
around
mid-april
of
each
year,
So
within
2019.
It
would
have
been
mid-april
or
so
of
2019..
X
V
I
clarify
something
with
you,
so
no
Mr
in
the
calendar,
one
thing
I
just
need
Clarity
on
it.
Procedurally
I
don't
see
that
Buncombe
County
did
anything
wrong.
We
acted
on
the
data
that
was
given
to
us.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,
okay,
so
by
our
own
standards,
we
tax
them
at
the
amount
that
we
new
to
tax
them
based
on
information
that
they
provided
to
us
and
that
ended
up
being
incorrect
after
the
fact.
Yes,
is
that
a
really
super
low
level
sure.
Y
L
Representing
GE
Healthcare
the
point
on
the
unlawfulness,
no
one's
accusing
the
county
of
doing
anything
wrong.
It's
the
fact,
as
as
the
chairman
was
mentioning
it's
the
fact
that
the
same
property
was
taxed
twice
and
a
payment
was
made
our
contention
is
that
can't
be
done.
The
best
example
I
can
this
is
by
the
way,
a
lesser
or
lessee.
You
know,
one
client
was
leasing,
this
heavy
equipment,
the
other
one
was
the
lessee.
Both
sides
ended
up
paying
it
if
you're
a
tenant
in
a
rented
house
and
both
you
and
your
landlord
sending
a
check.
L
One
of
them
should
be
coming
back.
That's
the
basic
point
on
that:
it's
not
the
candida
thing
wrong
it
just
it
can't
take
the
tax
twice
on
the
same
property
as
as
to
the
time
limit.
This
is
not
an
over
evaluation
issue
which
would
have
to
go
before
the
Board
of
Equalization
and
review.
This
is
under
the
statute,
where
the
legislature
specifically
gives
someone
five
years
to
file
an
action.
You
know
to
come
before
you
and
say:
hey,
there's
been
a
problem.
L
I
need
to
get
my
refund
back,
so
the
gist
of
everything
that
happened
here
is
the
county
got
paid
twice
on
the
same
property.
Yes,
as
a
result
of
the
mistake
in
the
bookkeeping
on
that
end
and
after
a
series,
there
was
originally
a
letter
back
in
November
of
last
year.
It
took
a
while
to
percolate
up
to
you
all
because
it
had
to
go
through
the
process,
but
over
that
period
of
time.
L
A
To
respond
to
that
point,
so
so
the
GE
position
is
this:
isn't
really
the
the
Board
of
Equalization
actually
isn't
the
relevant
group
to
consider
this?
This
isn't
a
question
of
hey.
You
got.
You
know
your
your
valuation
came
in.
We
think
it
should
be
this
number
instead
of
this
number,
this
that's
what
what
the
Board
of
Equalization
typically
does.
This
is
kind
of
a
does
seem
like
a
different
kind
of
question
than
what
we
normally
use.
L
X
X
X
But
you
only
have
a
certain
period
of
time
to
do
that
and
once
that
time
has
run,
you
can't
go
back
and
change
that
and
I
think
that
that's
something
that
the
court
of
appeals
would
be
taking
up
in
this
case
and
what
is
that
period
of
time
in
your
opinion?
Well,
that's
from
the
listing
period
between
January
through
March
and
that
the
Board
of
Equalization
and
review
can
be
appealed
until
April.
X
The
well
right
they
can't
challenge
the
listing
with
their.
What
they're,
basically
doing
is
saying,
regardless
of
fault,
regardless
of
anything,
the
double
tax
and
I
hope
I'm,
not
paraphrasing,
but
regardless
of
fault.
The
county
can't
tax
the
same
property
twice,
that's
double
Taxation,
and
that
is
an
illegal
tax
and.
A
X
F
AA
I'd
like
to
just
kind
of
try
to
pair
it
back
what
I
think
I'm
hearing
sort
of
from
a
procedural
level,
which
is
the
law,
isn't
exactly
mute
on
these
issues.
But
nor
is
the
law
crystal
clear
on
what
should
sort
of
govern
our
action
and,
in
the
absence
of
that
I
think
what
we
typically
do
is
defer
to
the
courts
to
get
clarity.
AA
AA
I
not
being
a
lawyer
I'm
married
to
one,
but
that
doesn't
count
I'm
told
repeatedly,
not
being
a
lawyer
I,
don't
feel
qualified
to
weigh
in
on
an
area
of
law.
That's
not
sort
of
crystalline
clear
and
it's
in
the
way
it's
articulated.
So
my
my
posture
at
this
point
would
be
to
deny
the
refund
request.
I
I
understand
the
arguments
that
are
being
made
on
both
sides,
but
I.
AA
A
One
other
question:
I
did
have
so
I
I'm
kind
of
going
back
in
the
memory
here,
so
it
could
be
off,
but
I
recall
that
we
have
made
tax
payment
adjustments
in
some
other
circumstances,
as
I
think
it
relates
to
overpayment
of
Hotel
occupancy
taxes,
Kurt
or
Michael.
Does
anybody
does
that?
Is
that
correct?
Or
can
anybody
I
feel
like
I'm,
remembering
doing
that,
but
am
I
misremembering.
A
Okay,
but
is,
but
is
it
in
some
ways,
sort
of
a
similar
Dynamic,
someone,
basically
overpaid,
and
then
the
there
was
a
realization
that
it
was
not
accurate
and
we
repaid
them.
The
funds
to
correct
for
the
administrative
error
is
that
that's
how
I
remembered
it
seems
like
it
may
be
a
different
statute,
but
the
actual
issues
involved
seem
very
similar
in.
AB
Z
A
L
S
AA
Z
AA
I
have
one
from
our
tireless
shelter
work
group,
the
the
sub-working
group
under
Hayak.
We
we
had
our
final
meeting
yesterday,
we've
been
meeting
weekly
since
about
February
or
March
and
and
just
to
preview.
For
folks,
with
the
full
approval
of
the
Hayak
board,
we
finalized
a
set
of
recommendations
that
will
be
coming
before
County
Commission
I
believe
on
September
5th
and
coming
before
city
council
around
that
time.
AA
So
I
do
want
to
take
a
moment
just
to
publicly
thank
the
community
members
who
served
on
that
working
group
meeting
every
single
week
for
months
on
end
and
the
amount
of
research
and
site
visits
that
they
did
was
really
a
testament
to
their
dedication
to
the
issues
in
our
community.
It
was
a
very
heavy
workload
for
them,
also
just
to
thank
both
city
and
county
staff,
who
helped
Shepherd
the
process
along
and
we'll.
Look
forward
to
the
discussion
that
happens
at
both
elected
bodies
as
that
moves
forward
fun
to
share
that.
A
All
right,
we
have
a
couple
of
announcements
on
September
5th
at
3
pm.
The
County
Commissioners
will
hold
their
briefing
meeting
at
200
College
Street
room
326
in
downtown
Asheville
and
on
September
5th
at
5
PM.
The
Commissioners
will
hold
the
regular
meeting
at
200
College
Street
room
326
in
downtown
Asheville.