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From YouTube: Commissioners' Briefing (April 19, 2022)
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Briefing of the Buncombe County Board of Commissioners for April 19, 2022.
A
A
Commissioner,
sloan
cannot
will
not
be
with
us
for
the
meeting
today.
He's
got
a
conflict
and
the
commissioner
beats
ferrara
will
be
here
she's
coming
from
another
commissioner
subcommittee
meeting
now
she'll
be
here
just
a
moment
all
right,
but
we'll
call
the
meeting
to
order.
Commissioners
we're
gonna
have
some
discussion
about
the
results
of
the
bond
feasibility
study.
A
If
we
have
time
if
we
get
to
the
other
agenda
items,
I
would
like
to
review
some
some
draft
language
that
in
preparation
for
that
meeting
tonight,
just
to
kind
of
walk
through
that
and
see.
If
there's
any
initial
feedback
us,
I
think
the
staff
are
hoping
we're
going
to
be
able
to
give
them
some
guidance
around
the
future
planning.
For
that.
So
I
want
to
just
kind
of
maybe
do
a
do.
A
A
Terrific
mr
frew
has
asked
that
we
add
a
for
the
regular
meeting.
We
do
need
to
add
one
item
to
the
agenda,
which
is
just
a
motion
to
call
for
a
public
hearing
not
at
the
meeting
tonight,
but
for
the
next
county
commission
meeting,
so
that'll
be
a
public
hearing
that
we
need
to
hold
at
the
may
3rd
meeting
at
5
pm
or
as
soon
thereafter
as
the
board
can
hear
the
issue
in
the
commission
chambers-
and
this
is
regarding
the
fourth
amendment
to
the
december
16th
2010
installment
financing
contract.
B
This
is
a
finance
director
has
been
working
on
this,
for
some
period
of
time
have
been
paying
ahead
for
some
debts
with
a
reimbursement
resolution.
This
would
be
a
reimbursement
of
85
million
dollars,
beginning
with
the
2010
bonds
for
courthouse
work,
life
safety,
tower
work,
etc
and
also
actual
high
in
its
new
construction
for
limited
obligation,
bonds
of
70
million
dollars
for
more
projects
at
asheville,
high
new
roofs
for
several
high
school
buildings,
as
well
as
cell
7,
and
a
few
other
county
projects.
A
C
Thank
you,
chad,
newman
and
members
of
the
county
commission
and
ms
pinder.
Thank
you
so
much
for
all
of
the
time
you
have
given
us
and
especially
to
miss
pinder,
miss
tate,
mr
frew.
You
have
an
extraordinary
staff
and
it's
been
a
real
pleasure
to
work
with
them,
so
I
am
with
the
trust
for
public
land.
C
But,
as
you
also
know,
this
being
such
an
incredibly
beautiful
place
with
so
many
natural
resources
and
a
beautiful
downtown
and
so
on,
you
also
are
experiencing
extraordinary
upward
pressure
on
housing
costs
and
the
opportunity
for
everyone
to
be
able
to
afford
to
live.
Who
wants
to
live
here
and
who
might
have
historical
roots
here,
so
we
are
funded
entirely
through
grant
funding.
This
has
not
been
funded
by
buncombe
county.
C
It's
primarily
funded
just
in
the
interest
of
full
disclosure
by
the
merck
family
fund,
which
has
a
focus
on
the
southern
appalachian,
specifically
around
wildlife,
habitat
protection
and
also
the
doris,
duke
charitable
foundation.
You're
familiar
with
the
duke
family
here
in
north
carolina,
doris,
duke
charitable
foundation,
is
focused
also
on
land
conservation,
natural
lands,
but
also
on
equity
and
and
equitable
access
to
communities
that
may
have
been
left
behind
to
the
great
outdoors,
and
so
we
do
work
for
doris,
duke
across
the
nation,
and
we
co-administer
those
funds
with
the
nature
conservancy.
C
The
trust
for
public
lands-
some
of
you
may
not
have
heard
of
us,
because
we
try
to
keep
us
somewhat
low
profile
in
certain
ways,
but
we
were
founded
in
1972
and
we
work
really
across
the
united
states.
This
is
actually
a
schoolyard
project
in
new
york
city,
so
there
are
people
in
the
trust
republic
land
who
work
in
some
of
america's
biggest
cities.
As
I
said,
I
work
just
in
the
southeastern
united
states
and
I
tend
to
work
primarily
with
county
government,
but
also
with
cities.
C
C
I
have
colleagues
across
the
country
that
do
the
same
thing.
Overall,
we
have
passed
together
with
local
government,
local
communities
and
non-profit
organizations,
and
so
on
so
on
about
610
ballot
measures
for
parks,
land
trails,
school
yards
and
related
priorities,
and
I
will
say
increasingly,
we
are
seeing
related
priorities
that
include
things
like
affordable
housing,
and
this
program
was
founded
in
1996,
we're
about
to
celebrate
our
25th
anniversary
that
was
postponed
due
to
the
pandemic,
but
speaking
of
the
pandemic,
one
of
the
things
I
wanted
to
share.
C
C
Interestingly
enough,
these
types
of
measures
tend
to
pass
in
good
times
and
in
bad.
They
pass
in
red
states
and
in
blue
I'm
going
to
share
some
of
that
data
with
you,
too.
In
2020
we
thought
that
we
were
really
going
to
have
a
terrible
year,
almost
every
ballot
measure
that
we
worked
on
passed.
I
think
there
was
one
that
didn't
out
of
about
50.
and
you
know,
regardless
of
of
the
political
party
in
power
or
whatever
is
going
on
in
the
world.
C
The
overall
success
rate
over
time
is
about
77
percent
in
north
carolina.
The
success
rate,
I
think,
is
82
percent.
I
work
primarily
in
the
southeast.
My
own
success
rate
over
17
years
is
92
percent
yay.
So
we
work
hard
to
make
sure
that
we're
only
working
in
places.
That
really
are
you
know
we're
following
the
goals
and
objectives
of
the
community.
So
you'll
recognize
the
presidential
map
and,
as
I
said,
I
work
mostly
in
the
southeast,
so
it's
very,
very
red
in
general,
but
again
most
of
the
measures
that
we
work
on
pass.
C
C
All
of
the
various
divides
that
we
managed
to
come
up
with
in
our
in
our
nation
these
days,
and
we
think
one
of
the
reasons
that
these
measures
pass
so
successfully
is
that
we
really
work
hard
in
communities
to
try
to
make
sure
that
the
timing
is
right,
that
the
that
the
issues
that
are
being
addressed
is
right,
that
we
aren't
overreaching
in
terms
of
what
you
are
asking
your
voters
to
do.
We
work
very
hard
with
your
own
local
attorney.
C
I
think
mr
free
has
spent
an
inordinate
amount
of
time,
helping
us
get
the
ballot
language
right
to
make
sure
that
it's
legal
and
defensible
and
transparent.
So
we
go
through
a
feasibility
study.
You
all
have
received
a
copy
of
that.
That
is
in
public
record.
If
anybody
would
like
to
receive
a
copy,
I'm
sure
that
if
it
isn't
already
on
the
county
website
as
part
of
backup
for
a
meeting,
it
certainly
can
be.
C
C
The
ballot
language
is
critically
important.
It's
the
one
thing
that
every
voter
is
going
to
see.
There
is
not
a
huge
amount
of
leeway
in
north
carolina,
but
we've
made
sure
that
that
ballot
language
is
as
close
as
it
can
be,
reflecting
the
priorities
we
think
exist
here
in
buncombe
county.
There
may
be
a
few
additional
minor
tweaks
that
that
michael
will
work
on
in
between
now
and
that
final
deadline
for
the
third
of
may
and
then
not
with
the
county
entirely
privately
funded
with
local,
non-profit
and
and
neighborhood
groups.
C
You
know
any
any
two
who
come
together.
We
are
happy
to
work
with
to
to
do
a
campaign
and
it's
the
same
kind
of
campaign
for
other
issues.
It's
legal
for
non-profits
to
work
on
them,
but
we
do
follow
pretty
strict
guidelines
that
the
county
does
not
get
involved
in
advocacy
only
in
providing
straight
up
and
down
information
to
your
to
your
residents.
C
This
is
probably
a
little
hard
to
read,
but
going
into
something
like
this.
There
are
a
few
key
elements
that
must
be
in
place
in
order
for
a
measure
like
this
to
succeed,
one
is
a
demonstrated
need.
You
obviously
have
enormous
needs
both
in
affordable
housing
and
also
in
the
concerns
that
people
have
over
loss
of
natural
land
farmland,
open
space
and
providing
access
to
the
great
outdoors
here.
In
this
beautiful
place,
the
elected
leadership
has
to
be
on
board.
There
are
many
places.
C
I've
worked
where
the
community
might
be
ready,
but
the
elected
leadership
does
not
have
this
as
a
current
priority,
because
of
all
of
the
other
many
priorities
that
local
government
has
to
take
on.
But
this
is
entirely
a
policy
decision
for
you,
the
board
of
county
commissioners
and
then
community
engagement
and
support.
C
So
the
feasibility
research
that
that
I
mentioned-
and
I
covered
a
lot
of
this
at
the
last
time.
I
was
with
you
all,
but
goes
just
over
the
basic
demographics
and
financial
circumstances.
Your
current
budgetary
allocations
for
these
issues,
the
political
profile
of
the
community,
things
like
voter
turnout
and
voter
registration.
C
The
election
history,
including
in
other
communities
we
looked
at
wake
county,
for
example,
has
has
done
both
affordable
housing
and
open
space,
the
election
requirements
about
language
requirements
and
then
some
of
the
best
practices
that
we
see
again
across
the
country.
So
the
mechanism
that
seems
most
appropriate
here
is
use
of
bonds
that
are
backed
by
the
property.
Tax
bond
is
just
a
word.
That
means
long-term
lending
instrument.
C
C
This
anticipates
that
the
bonds
would
be
issued
all
at
once
at
the
very
beginning,
which
doesn't
typically
happen
because
they
cannot
all
be
spent
responsibly
in
such
a
short
period
of
time,
and
there
are
rules
and
regulations
about
that,
but
it
assumes
all
of
the
money
all
of
the
bonds
issued
at
once.
It
assumes
no
tax-based
growth,
which
you
know
is
not
so
it
does
assume
a
four
percent
interest
rate
which
I
had
been
saying
is
higher
than
normal,
but
it's
obviously
interest
rates
have
been
creeping
up
for
everyone.
C
So
what
this
leads
to
is
that
if
we
were
to
look
at
a
30
million
dollar
bond
for
parks
or
excuse
me
for
conservation
and
open
space
in
farmland
and
a
40
million
dollar
bond
for
affordable
housing,
the
30
million
dollar
bond,
the
max
anticipated
increase
to
the
average
annual
home
is
14
a
year
and
for
the
affordable
housing
at
40
million
it
would
be
18
a
year.
So
together
it's
still
a
very
modest
cost
in
the
low
30s.
C
So
these
are
the
recommendations
that
we
have
and
again
there
are
some
details
that
obviously
will
need
to
be
worked
out.
That
sort
of
balance
the
administration
of
the
program,
the
time
that
your
staff
has
available
the
extent
to
which
the
local
communities,
the
advocacy
communities,
wish
to
to
weigh
in
on
priorities
and
so
on,
but
again
the
funding
source
we
recommend
is
bonds,
we're
recommending
30
million
for
conservation
and
40
million
for
affordable
housing.
C
C
We
recommend
a
november
2022
election.
I
have
a
slide
on
why
november
elections
are
are
great.
We
do
recommend
community
oversight
and
also
annual
independent
audits.
You
all
know
that
buncombe
county
already
does
annual
independent
audits,
but
not
everyone
knows
that,
and
so
we
recommend
making
it
very
clear
and
very
transparent
that
you
are
committed
to
ensuring
that
these
funds
are
stewarded
in
a
way
that
people
can
feel
good
about
them
and
know
that
they're
going
to
the
purposes
desired
and
that
they're
being
run
efficiently
and
effectively.
C
D
C
The
issue
but
they're
also
good,
because
those
lower
turnout
voters
tend
to
be
supportive
of
these
priorities,
and
then
we
also
have
your
your
breakdown
in
terms
of
party
registration
and
so
on,
listed
here.
So
now,
I'm
going
to
transition
into
sharing
just
some
of
the
top
data
from
the
polling
firm
impact
research.
As
I
said,
this
was
done
just
last
week
between
the
7th
and
12th.
C
Let
me
move
on
of
april,
so
just
within
10
days
of
where
we
are
today,
we
called
and
or
texted,
but
primarily
called
400.
Voters
who
completed
the
survey,
so
obviously
they
probably
put
in
800
calls
in
order
to
get
400
completed,
surveys
or
more.
These
were
live
calls.
They
were
live
callers
and
some
were
text
to
internet,
but
those
you
know
the
way
they
do
that
you
can
be
sure
of
who
the
specific
voter
is.
So
you
can
capture
their
demographic
data
and
so
on.
C
The
margin
of
error
for
this
is
is
4.9,
so
the
numbers
could
be
five
percent
higher
or
five
percent
lower.
Our
experience.
Lots
of
people
have
opinions
about
polling,
but
you
know
for
the
600
measures,
plus
that
we've
worked
on,
we
probably
conducted
over
400,
maybe
over
500
polls.
I
almost
never
work
on
a
ballot
measure
that
we
haven't
polled.
The
data
for
issues
does
not
jump
around
as
much
as
the
data
for
for
candidates.
Just
so
you
know
people
tend
to
know
how
they
feel
about
issues.
What
their
priorities
are.
C
You
know
fiscal
concerns
and
those
kinds
of
things.
I'm
not
going
to
say
you
know
it's
always
a
snapshot
in
time.
So
I'm
not
going
to
say
that
this
data
couldn't
change
if
something
terrible
happens
in
between
now
and
november,
but
for
the
most
part
we
find
that
the
results
of
the
election
day
typically
line
up
pretty
well
to
the
polling.
C
So
we,
the
first
question
and
the
most
important
question
that
we
ask
is
really
just
at
what
we
call
a
clean
read
of
the
ballot
language.
This
is
before
we
really
even
start
talking
very
much
about
you
know,
pros
cons,
costs
anything
else,
and
this
is
kind
of
mimicking
how
people
respond
when
they
walk
into
the
ballot
box
and
and
perhaps
read
it
for
the
first
time.
C
But
we
ask
it
several
other
times
throughout
the
questionnaire
in
order
to
see
how
much
it
it
jumps
around,
but
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
read
it,
because
this
is
very
tiny
type.
I
apologize
for
that
just
trying
to
get
it
all
onto
one
side.
So
this
was
the
language,
and
this
is
the
exact
language
that
mr
frew
approved.
As
I
said,
there
may
be
some
minor
tweaks
in
between
now
and
your
final
adoption.
If
you
choose
to
move
forward
to
adoption,
but
this
is
substantially
what
how
the
language
will
read.
C
C
Believe
me,
michael,
has
gone
over
it
a
hundred
times.
Most
of
this
is
required
by
the
state
of
north
carolina.
So
I
don't
love
this
language,
but
I
do
love
complying
with
the
law,
so
there
we
go
so
51
said.
Yes,
they
strongly
support.
This
14
said
yes,
but
not
so
strongly.
Six
percent
said
I
don't
know,
but
then,
when
push
they
said,
I
would
lean
yes,
so
that's
71
total,
yes
and
it
ends
up
being
24
total.
C
I
have
certainly
worked
in
in
cities
and
counties
that
did
go
far
when
they
were
55
lower
I'll
share,
because
we
speak
about
this
one,
a
lot
at
a
national
recreation
and
parks
association,
for
example.
I
think
I've
done
that
three
times
with
with
the
former
parks
director
of
doral
florida,
doral
pulled
it
like
53
percent
I
was
like
and
it
was
150
million
dollar
bond.
I
was
like,
oh
my
goodness.
Maybe
we
need
to
you
know,
wait
do
this
later.
They
they
were,
they
said,
go
big
or
go
home.
C
You
just
got
an
a
doral,
that's
the
way
they
are
and
it
passed
with
like
51
so,
but
they
ran
a
really
strong
campaign
there
in
the
in
the
city
of
durham.
So
we're
looking
up
for
about
55
this
one
polled
at
71.,
so
here's
the
here's,
the
affordable
housing
question
again,
I'm
going
to
read
that
to
you,
since
the
type
is
very,
very
small.
C
This
is
titled
housing
bonds
proposal
shall
the
order
authorizing
40
million
dollars
of
bonds
plus
interest
to
pay
the
capital
cost
of
housing
for
the
benefit
of
persons
of
low
or
moderate
income,
including
construction
of
related
infrastructure
improvements
and
the
acquisition
of
related
land
and
rights
of
way
and
providing
that
additional
taxes
may
be
levied
in
an
amount
sufficient
to
pay
the
principle
of
and
interest
on,
the
bonds
be
approved.
If
the
election
were
held
a
day,
would
you
vote
yes
in
favor
of
this
proposal
or
no
to
oppose
it?
C
So
in
this
case
39
said
yes
strongly.
15
said:
yes,
not
so
strongly.
Nine
percent
said
undecided,
but
lena.
So
that's
63
percent
total,
yes
and
the
total
no
was
32
percent.
So
again,
that's
a
really
great
margin
between
the
yeses
and
the
nose,
and
it's
also
well
above
what
we
consider
a
threshold
of
viability.
C
C
71
for
open
space,
bonds
and
63
for
housing
bonds,
we
did
actually
delve
down
into
the
different
uses
of
the
funds,
and
I
just
want
to
go
over
this
because
I
thought
it
was
interesting
data.
All
of
these
uses
in
both
cases
pulled
very
well.
The
the
number
at
the
very
end
is
the
total,
or
is
the
total
either
strongly
support
or
somewhat
support.
C
We
really
sort
of
focus
on
the
blue,
which
is
the
strongly
support.
So
protection
of
natural
resources
was
the
highest
on
the
open
space
bonds
at
69
said
they
strongly
support
protection
of
natural
resources.
Protecting
local
wildlife
was
at
65.
Preservation
of
farmland
was
at
62,
helping
combat
climate
change.
Was
it
59?
C
C
C
I
will
confess
to
you,
so
we
really
stuck
with
just
what
was
in
the
ballot
language.
So
we
pulled
housing
for
the
benefit
of
persons
of
low
or
moderate
income.
That
was
the
strongest
at
54,
74,
total
construction
of
infrastructure,
improvements
related
to
affordable
housing,
48
and
then
72
total
and
then
acquiring
local
land
and
rights
of
way
to
help
build.
Affordable
housing
was
38
and
63..
So
again,
strong
results
overall
strongest
was
again
focusing
on
the
people,
the
housing
for
the
benefit
of
persons
of
low
or
moderate
income.
C
So
just
so
you
know,
I
know
that
kevin
and
bo
the
pollsters
kevin
atkins
and
bo
salon
who
worked
on
this
would
be
more
than
happy.
If
you
want
to,
you
know,
ask
some
questions.
I
have
you
know
more
than
happy
to
delve
into
this
data
more.
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
brief
overview
again.
If
this
does
move
to
the
ballot,
we
will
certainly
work
with
local
advocates
for
both
housing
and
open
space
to
try
to
get
the
word
out
to
citizens.
These
are
some
examples
of
campaign
literature
actually
from
south
carolina.
C
In
both
cases,
one
is
from
beaufort
county
and
one
is
from
dorchester
county
both
of
those
passed
but
and
actually
I'll
point
out
dorchester.
I
worked
on
that
one
in
2019.
That
was
both
parks
and
libraries,
but
it
was
two
separate
bonds,
so
they
they
marketed
those
together,
but
yes
for
parks,
but
yes
for
libraries,
we
polled
them
both
just
like
we
did
here
and
both
passed
almost
exactly
at
what
the
polling
said:
the
parks
passed
at
67
percent
and
that
was
weirdly
enough,
not
a
on
cycle
election.
C
It
was
a
municipal
election
date,
so
that
was
really
good.
If
it
had
been
on
a
big
november
election,
I'm
sure
it
would
have
been
higher
and
we
just
do
the
same
kind
of
things.
I
mean
they'll,
be
mail,
they'll
be
paid
social
media
they'll,
be
you
know,
events
yard
signs.
Speakers
bureau,
you
name
it.
C
F
F
B
I
did
not
get
the
full
timeline
in
place,
but
what
we
have
to
do
is
kick
off
with
the
steps
for
a
bond
order,
and
what
that
would
be
is
for
may
3rd
to
have
that
presentation
to
the
board.
What
we'll
do
is
pre-arrange
to
have
a
public
notice
into
the
newspaper
or
intent
to
file
with
the
local
government
commission
for
this
bond
approval.
That
process
would
happen
in
june.
This
would
go
along.
B
There
would
be
a
public
hearing
on
the
actual
bond
order
language
before
this
board
sometime
in
before
budget
in
early
june
as
well,
and
then
the
bond
language
would
have
to
be
delivered
to
the
board
of
elections,
to
make
sure
it's
in
place
and
ready
to
go
through
that
process
for
the
state
board
of
elections
and
local
board
of
elections
by
the
first
friday
in
august,
and
then
it'd
be
on
the
ballot
there
at
that
first
tuesday.
In
november.
A
G
H
H
C
I
just
want
to
add
one
quick
thing
to
commissioner
beech
ferrari's
comments,
which
is
something
she
said,
triggered
a
thought
which
is
that
is
very
common
for
local
governments
that
pass
a
local
funding
source
to
then
use
those
local
dollars
to
bring
down
state
and
federal
dollars
in
both
of
these
areas,
but
oftentimes,
state
and
federal
grant
sources
do
require
some
local
match,
and
so
not
having
that
you
know
dedicated
funding
source.
The
local
level
means
that
those
opportunities
sometimes
go
by.
C
So
that
is
something
certainly,
and
I
really
like
the
idea
of
being
able
to
clearly
articulate
all
of
the
work
that
y'all
have
already
done
in
these
areas.
We
spoke
this
morning
about
the
fact
you
already
have
several
community
advisory
groups
that
do
oversight
on
similar
issues,
and
so
maybe
there's
an
economy
of
scale
to
be
grabbed
there,
but
it
is
great
to
be
able
to
articulate
to
people.
These
are
the
protections
in
place
for
transparency
and
for
accountability.
A
As
we
talk
about
it
again
to
kind
of
bring
back
up
some
of
the
numbers
around
the
affordable
housing
goals
that
the
commission
approved
earlier
this
year
and
some
of
the
budget
forecasts
for
the
resources
needed
to
achieve
those
goals
between
now
and
2030,
you
know
and
as
I
think
you
guys
will
recall
when
we
talked
about
that-
I
think
the
affordable
housing
goals
and
the
workforce
workforce
housing
goals.
You
know
it's
such
a.
It's
such
an
important
issue,
like
my
view,
would
be
even
if
we
weren't
doing
a
bond.
A
You
know
we
should
be
really
committed
to
those
goals
and
there's
you
know,
there's
theoretically
a
way
you
could
get
there.
It
would
require,
like
in
every
annual
budget,
really
making
it
a
top
priority,
and-
and
things
like
that,
so
I
wouldn't
say
it's
theoretically
possible
to
pursue
these
goals,
but
I
mean
I
certainly
think
that
if
the
voters
support
a
bond
referendum
such
as
this,
then
it
makes
the
prospects
for
us
meeting
or
hopefully
exceeding
those
goals.
You
know
the
likelihood
of
success
is
just
you
know
much
stronger,
so
other
questions.
A
All
right
well
peggy
to
you
and
everybody
at
trust
for
public
land.
I
think
you
know
the
commissions
just
really
appreciate
your
work
on
this.
You
know
I
remember
terry,
and
I
were
I
can't
remember,
who
met
who
first,
but
we
heard
from
trust
for
public
land
and
their
interest
in
working
with
communities
in
the
southeast,
and
especially
in
the
southern
appalachian
region.
A
So
we
can
really
look
at
what
the
different
options
are
and
potentially
provide
some
of
these
options
to
the
voters
of
the
county.
To
consider
is
really
exciting,
so
we
really
appreciate
trust
for
public
land
coming
in
and
helping
to
do
that
and
to
and
to
do
some
of
this
initial
evaluation
for
us.
It's
it's
great
work.
I
I
So
this
is
just
keeping
our
ordinances
in
line
with
state
law.
In
august
of
last
year,
the
state
passed
a
law
that
decriminalized
certain
prohibited
criminal
penalties
for
certain
local
government,
ordinance
violation
and
removed
a
general
principle
that
it
used
to
be
if
a
local
government
had
an
ordinance
on
the
books
and
it
was
violated.
If
the
ordinance
didn't
say
anything
different,
it
was
considered
to
be
a
misdemeanor,
that's
no
longer
the
case,
so
that
was
the
big
thrust
of
of
this
law.
I
I
And
so
what
will
be
in
front
of
you
at?
I
believe,
your
next
meeting
or
whatever
meeting
it's
it's
you'd
like
to
have
it
on
the
agenda,
are
30
revisions
to
the
ordinance
that
we've
worked
with
staff
to
make
nothing
really
new
here.
This
would
just
be
to
maintain
the
status
quo
and
to
bring
us
in
line
with
state
law.
I
You've
heard
mr
pennington,
mr
pennington
and
other
staff
members
talk
about
the
work
going
on
with
the
comp
plan.
I
think
that
a
more
holistic
view
of
what
code
enforcement
and
criminal
enforcement
may
look
like
in
the
context
of
our
ordinance
would
be
a
better
conversation
to
have
after
we
get
through
with
the
comp
plan,
but
this
is
just
to
make
sure
that
we
are
in
line
with
state
law.
I
always
it's
always
the
exciting
stuff.
When
I'm
here.
I
One
more
thing
that
didn't
make
it
onto
the
powerpoint
was
a
technical
correction
to
our
voluntary
ag
districts
to
bring
that
in
line
with
state
law.
Just
to
change
to
the
definition.
It's
really
not
something
that
I
explain
as
well
as
as
probably
jennifer
harrison
could,
but
I
I
can.
I
can
do
my
best.
A
J
So
our
goal
is
to
meet
the
lead
gold
standard
for
all
new
construction
going
forward
and
in
order
to
provide
some
flexibility
in
that
policy
in
the
decision
making
process.
Part
of
what
was
built
into
the
policy
was
this
idea
around
life
cycle
cost
analysis
so
that
we
get
a
sense
for
what
something
costs
today,
but
also
what
is
the
long-term
costs
of
some
of
the
decisions
we
make
today
during
the
construction
process,
and
the
fleet
facility
is
really
the
first
opportunity.
J
We've
had
to
take
this
policy
and
run
with
it,
and
so
what
we
have
for
you
today
really
is
just
a
short
presentation
from
our
architecture
and
engineering
firm
and
to
show
you
some
of
the
options
that
are
available
as
well
as
obviously
to
allow
for
some
board
discussion
and
some
feedback
on
those
options.
So
we've
got
scott
metcalf
is
our
project
manager
in
general
services
and
we've
got
our
architecture
and
engineering
firms
cpl
we're
going
to
give
you
a
brief
presentation
and
we're
here
for
any
questions.
You
have.
K
Good
afternoon,
commissioners,
my
name
is
todd
dalton,
I'm
an
architect
of
cpl.
What
you
see
here
is
the
site
plan
for
the
new
fleet
facility.
We've
moved
this
building,
I
think
three
times
off
the
landfill,
where
we
were
wrestling
with
subsurface
issues,
great
issues,
and
we
found
the
site
adjacent
to
the
firing
range.
Where
we
aren't
wrestling
with
those
things,
it
could
start
to
look
at
passive
strategies
for
what
we
could
do
to
optimize
building
performance,
optimize
the
program
and
optimize
the
operational
flow
of
vehicles.
K
Similarly,
with
the
building
massing,
we
also
looked
at
strategies
to
optimize
the
surface
for
the
renewable
energy
array
on
top
of
the
roof,
so
we
went
through
various
building
options.
Looking
for
what
gave
us
the
best
balance
of
structural
cost,
building
performance
and
efficiency,
while
also
allowing
for
future
growth,
and
so
where
we
landed
here,
was
with
option
a
that
kind
of
gave
us
the
best
balances
of
all
those
things
with
a
really
large
high
roof.
That
was
unobstructed
for
the
solar
array,
but
also
allowed
for
the
future
second
floor,
mezzanine
in
the
storage
area.
L
My
name
is
mike
penna,
I'm
the
engineering
lead
on
the
job.
Thank
you
for
having
us
I'm
going
to
describe
to
you
guys
some
of
the
systems
that
we've
looked
at
and
kind
of
the
thought
process
where
we
are
and
some
of
the
decisions
that
are
still
to
be
made.
I
guess
so.
You
can
see
the
the
layout
of
the
building
here.
We've
essentially
got
it
broken
up
into
three
different
hvac
hvac
system
types
based
off
of
the
needs
of
the
facility.
L
L
As
far
as
as
far
as
the
system
goes
systems
go.
This
green
area
that
we've
got
is
a
we're.
Looking
at
a
vrf
system
with
energy
recovery
ventilators,
basically
it's
a
it's
a
fully
electrified
system,
it's
very
efficient.
It's
got
great
heating
and
cooling
performance,
like
I
said:
there's
an
energy
recovery
ventilator
that
that
pulls
energy
from
the
exhaust
air
and
puts
it
in
the
into
the
supplier
in
heating
and
vice
versa
and
cooling.
It's
very
efficient,
fully
electrified
in
the
in
the
purple
area.
L
L
This
this
slide
describes
the
vrv
system
if
you're
not
familiar
with
it,
it's
a
it's
a
it's
all
based
on
refrigerant
and
as
opposed
to
electric
resistance
heat,
where
you're
actually
creating
heat,
which
takes
a
lot
of
energy
you're,
actually
just
moving
heat
from
one
place
to
the
other,
moving
it
from
outside
to
inside
it's.
Actually,
it's
very
efficient.
L
L
L
L
The
second
option
uses
those
same
systems
but
we're
adding
photovoltaic
arrays
on
the
roof
of
the
facility.
That
would
cover
approximately
90
percent
of
the
electrical
load
in
the
facility,
so
same
systems
in
the
first
and
second
columns,
but
the
second
column.
The
difference
is
the
addition
of
solar.
L
The
third
option
is
full
electrification,
so
it
gets
rid
of
any
of
the
natural
gas
heat
in
the
in
their
handlers,
which,
basically,
like
I
said,
it's
the
two
air
handlers
and
then
infrared
radiant
heat
in
the
in
the
garage
area.
Same
amount
of
solar
just
going
full
full
electrification,
the
fourth
column
we've
got
there.
That's
also
full
electrification,
but
we
said
okay,
how
much
additional
solar
would
we
need
to
kind
of
take
up
that
that
difference
in
electrical
demand?
L
So
so
those
are
the
four
options
we're
talking
about
on
the
left
side.
Here
the
items
you
can
see
the
basically
from
option
to
option
the
parts
of
the
building
or
the
cost
of
the
building,
whether
they're
up
front
or
in
the
life
cycle
down
the
road,
the
parts
that
vary.
So
you
can
see,
we've
got
gas,
just
gas
distribution.
L
That's
actually,
you
know
providing
the
gas
service
to
the
facility,
the
electrical
service,
the
actual
cost
of
the
hvac
equipment
that
would
be
either
natural
gas
or
electric
the
solar
equipment,
the
maintenance
costs
of
any
of
that
solar
equipment,
the
annual
utility
energy
costs,
and-
and
that's
it.
So
if
you,
if
you
total
the
cost
of
all
of
these
all
these
items
over
20
years,
which
is
about
the
life
life
cycle
of
the
solar
system,
you
get
in
this
blue
row
at
the
bottom.
That's
the
total
cost.
L
L
So
we
can
come
back
to
this
if
you
want
to
get
into
any
of
the
details,
but
I'll
show
you
on
this
next
slide.
This
really
to
me
kind
of
tells
the
story.
So
again,
we've
got
the
four
columns
in
the
same
order.
We
start
with
our
natural
gas.
We
had
that
we
had.
We
had
some
solar,
we
go
to
full
electrification
with
the
same
solar
and
then
some
additional
solar
on
there
and
you
can
see
left
to
right
the
cost.
The
life
cycle
cost
does
go
up
a
little
bit.
L
L
We
move
over
to
the
next
column.
We've
got
those
same
three
bars
on
the
bottom,
the
red,
blue
and
green,
and
we're
adding.
On
top
of
that,
we
add
the
cost
of
the
of
the
photovoltaics,
that's
the
purple
and
then
the
blue,
the
light
blue
there
that's
the
20-year
maintenance
cost
on
the
foldable
tax.
There
is
some
cost
associated
with
that,
and
then
you
can
see
the
orange
that's
now
our
20
year,
energy
costs
so
adding
the
solar.
L
You
know
a
little
bit
more
life
cycle
cost,
but
it's
really
whether
you're
spending
this
up
front
or
or
an
energy
cost,
basically
through
the
20
years
same
story
as
as
we
move
over
over
to
full
electrification,
yes
to
the
full
electrification
and
to
the
full
electrification
with
additional
solar
on
there.
It's
very
very
similar,
very
similar
stories.
L
Okay,
we
took
a.
We
took
a
look
at
adding
battery
storage,
which
right
now
is
not
in
in
the
design,
not
that
it
couldn't
be
added,
but
I
just
want
to
highlight
some
points
on
this.
For
you,
you
know
if,
if
we
are
to
achieve
net
zero
operation,
you
can't
do
that
with
natural
gas
in
the
facility.
It
has
to
be
fully
electrified
right.
L
L
You
know
you
can
basically
keep
that
going
indefinitely
in
theory,
as
far
as
cost
material
costs,
only
of
one
of
these
systems
is
about
250
000
or
a
comparably
size
generator
or
a
generator
size.
For
this
facility,
the
total
install
cost
would
be
about
sixty
thousand
dollars,
so,
in
addition
to
acting
as
a
standby
generator,
it
would
also
you
know,
be
able
to
store
power
when
the
sun's
out,
and
then
you
know,
discharge
that
power
when
the
sun's
not
out,
and
they
would
save
an
additional
four
to
five
thousand
dollars.
L
L
L
Okay
in
the
in
the
garage
area,
these
garages
have
very
high
ventilation
requirements
and
we,
as
far
as
sizing
the
equipment
you
have
to
have
the
equipment
size
pretty
large
and
that
has
an
associated
really
large
size
of
heat
in
it.
So
you'd
have
you
know
at
full
capacity,
a
large
electrical
demand.
L
So
that's
basically
what
that's
saying
is
you
know
that
that
high
ventilation
rate
drives
up
the
size
of
these
electrical
service
or
the
electric
or
the
natural
gas
heat
exchanger
in
operation?
We
get
around
that
a
little
bit
by
using
demand
control
ventilation.
So
we
will
operate
the
system
at
a
base
rate
of
ventilation
which
is
pretty
low.
It's
a
it's
a
cold
prescribed
value
and
then,
if
the
vehicle
exhaust
capture
systems
turn
on
or
if
we
detect
that
there
are
some
hazardous
gases
in
the
facility,
it
ramps
the
ventilation
rate
way
up.
K
So
where
that
puts
us
with
a
scorecard
is
conservatively
we're
tracking
at
60,
yes
and
17.
Maybe
points
so.
Threshold
for
gold
is
60
points
and
with
where
we
are
at
design
development,
we're
still
early
in
design
development
kind
of
working.
Our
way
mid-stream
we've
been
really
conservative,
with
some
of
the
material
choices
and
some
of
the
some
of
the
credits
where
we
because
of
the
type
of
facility
it
is,
you
know
it's
a
little
more
spartan
for
materials
and
processes,
so
we
want
to
be
safe
with
what
we
think
we
can
achieve.
K
K
And
then
the
last
page,
our
last
slide
here
our
strategy
for
documenting
our
process
and
sort
of
our
compliance
with
the
resolution
is
we're
going
to
produce
it
in
the
project
report
that
will
go
credit
by
credit
outlining
the
credit
intent.
The
point
totals
and
the
strategies
that
we
use
to
achieve
that
credit.
I
think
that's
it.
Scott.
M
M
A
A
I
have
a
couple
questions.
One
is
look
on
the
question
about
like
whether
you
use
the
solar
array
and
add
storage
or
not,
I
mean
it
seems
like
to
me.
If
it's,
if
it's
possible
from
a
planning
standpoint
and
a
construction
standpoint,
the
idea
would
be
to
kind
of
look
at
both
options
right
like
so.
Let's,
let's
plan
a
project,
we've
got
a
solar
array.
A
You
know
that
we're
highly
confident
we
would
do
unless
the
costs
just
end
up
being,
you
know
way
higher
than
it's
forecasted,
which
I
think
is
unlikely.
I
bet
they'll
be
lower
than
that
as
my
hunch,
but
the
and
then
the
storage
I
mean,
could
that
be?
I
guess
the
question
is:
when
do
you
need
to
make
that
decision?
Could
we
say
we
definitely
like
it?
We
want
to
do
a
project.
We
want
to
do
solar
on
it.
A
If
the
storage
costs
come
in,
you
know
once
you
do
bids,
because
the
solar
companies
could
bid
it
with
solar
or
solar
plus
storage
right.
If
those
costs
come
in
and
we
have
real
numbers
to
look
at
there,
then
we
could
kind
of
make
a
final
decision
on
that
or
does
a
decision
on
whether
to
potentially
include
the
storage
need
to
be
made
sooner
in
the
process,
because
that's
or
is
that
just
ultimately
a
question
of
for
a
facility
like
this?
You
need
some
kind
of
backup
you
can
do.
A
A
M
A
Let
me
ask
this:
you
know
so
for
a
facility
like
this,
where
for
fleet
maintenance,
I
guess
I
guess
one
other
question
would
be
like.
Is
this
considered
a
facility
that's
like
for,
like
the
county,
operates
a
lot
of
buildings
where
I
would
assume
I'm
kind
of
speculating
here,
but
I
would
assume
that
we
don't
have
generators
or
backup
systems
right
for
some.
We
do.
That
is
very
important
to
maintain
operational
functionality
all
the
time,
but
for
others
you
know
it's
just
inconvenient.
A
If
the
power
goes
out,
you
know
occasionally
once
or
twice
a
year.
What's
the
thinking
around
like
a
facility
like
this,
where
it's
not
exactly
like
a
health
building
or
the
sheriff's
department,
where
you
know
it
has
to
be
functioning
all
the
time.
This
is
where
we,
you
know
we
maintain
our
vehicles.
M
A
A
The
question
before
us
is
which
of
the
scenarios
on
the
20-year
life
cycle
I
do
have.
Do
you
have
one
other
question
too,
which
is
that
you
know?
So
if
we
do
a
solar
array
on
this
building,
it's
gonna
be
a
net
metered
system
right,
so
the
power
generated
will
be
used
in
the
building.
If
there's
some
excess
power,
you
can
deliver
it
to
the
grid
or
put
in
the
put
it
in
the
batteries
for
being
used
when
it's
needed.
A
The
in
terms
of
the
different
sizes
of
the
systems,
so
duke
energy,
you
know,
does
have
some
rules
around
how
big
of
a
system
you
can
install
to
be
approved
under
the
net
metering
agreement.
So
I
guess
I'm
just
curious
if
we're
confident
duke
would
allow
the
county
to
build
the
size
systems
that
are
described
in
these
scenarios.
Or
might
they
say
because
it's
related
to
like
the
peak
the
peak
energy
use
of
a
building?
Might
they
say?
Well,
we
think
the
peak's
going
to
be
a
little
bit
lower
here,
so
we
actually
won't.
A
A
I
would
say:
if
you're
going
to
go
out
there
and
mobilize
and
build
a
project
build
the
biggest
one
that
you
can.
I
I
think
duke
might
limit
it
a
little
bit
lower
than
what's
contemplated
here,
just
under
their
their
rules.
So
anyway,
that's
just
an
observation
that
maybe
it
may
not
be
totally
possible
to
know
exactly
what
size
system
duke
would
ultimately
allow
out
there.
It's
probably
in
this
neighborhood,
though
right.
L
A
I
guess
you
know
my
thoughts
on
this.
Is
that
in
the
you
know,
in
the
long
run
like
we're,
you
know
we're
gonna
to
meet
our
renewable
energy
goals
to
meet
the
climate
issues.
We're
facing
the
single
biggest
need,
like
the
single
biggest
cause
of
this
whole
problem,
is
generating
our
power
from
sources
that
generate
a
lot
of
carbon
emissions
right,
so
switching
those
out
for
sources
that
primarily
generate
power
through
renewable
energy
that
doesn't
have
any
of
those
pollution
sources.
That's
the
single
biggest
need.
A
So
to
me,
the
most
valuable
part
of
this
whole
project
is
putting
a
really
great
solar
array
on
it
to
meet
whether
it's
100
or
90,
or
whatever
the
vast
majority
of
the
needs,
would
be
generated
on
site.
So
to
me,
that's
that's
the
the
thing
I
would
advocate
for
the
most
strongly.
Let's
make
sure
we
have
a
good
solar
array
on
there.
A
A
A
I,
like
the
cost
of
both
solar
and
storage,
mostly
going
down,
but
with
the
way
the
economy
is
working
right
now,
some
things
are
going
up
again,
so
I
you
know
exactly
when
this
gets
bid.
I
don't
think
we
know
for
sure
exactly
where
those
will
come
in.
My
hope
is
that
they
would
come
in
more
favorable
than
what's
budgeted
here,
but
we
can't
know
that
so
that
that's
my
that's
my
lien
commit
to
solar.
If
we
can
keep
the
option
of
looking
at
storage
on
the
table,
I'd
love
to
do
that.
A
You
just
talk
about
that.
Just
a
little
bit
more,
I
guess
I'm
a
little
unclear
on
is,
is
the
full
electrification
needed
just
for
the
backup
system,
or
is
there
a?
Is
there
a
scenario
of
we're
going
electric
for
the
for
the
day-to-day
operations
of
the
building,
but
when
we
think
about
just
having
a
backup
system,
there's
a
question
about
whether
you
want
to
do
solar
for
that
or
just
have
a
you
know,
a
gas
generator,
but
that
you
know
you
would
only
turn
on
very
infrequently
when
the
grid
goes
down.
A
L
I
mean
you
know
if
I
kind
of
elaborate
on
that,
I
think
it
kind
of
shows
the
value
of
the
life
cycle
cost
analysis
too.
You
know,
I
talked
about
the
ventilation
rates
or
potential
ventilation
rates
in
the
in
the
garage
area
and
how
that
increases
the
size
of
the
less
electric
resistance
heat
or
the
natural
gas
heat,
and
you
know
when
we
did
the
life
cycle
cost
analysis.
L
Those
ended
up
actually
being
a
little
closer
than
we
than
we
thought
that
they
would
they
would
be
so
initially
we
started
off
with
natural
gas
thinking.
Oh
it's
going
to
be
super
expensive
to
heat
this
place
with
the
electric
resistancy
and
we
go
through
the
life
cycle,
cost
analysis
and
we
saw
yeah
it's
more
expensive,
but
it's
not
quite
what
we
thought
it
would
be.
A
I
mean
I
would
the
the
life
cycle
costs
are
so
close.
I
would
lean
towards
full
electrification,
but
I
I'd
honestly,
I
would
sort
of
want
to
sit
with
these
numbers
a
bit
more
before
I
would
like
like
want
to,
like
you
know,
vote
on
something
which
I
know
we're
not
voting
on
it
today.
So
I'd
like
to
take
a
little
more
time
with
that
myself,
but
jeremiah.
Do
you
have
some
comments
on
this
too?
Sorry.
H
Go
ahead
yeah,
I
just
think
from
a
process
perspective,
maybe
not
moving
to
consent
agenda
the
next
step
and
having
a
chance
to
kind
of
come
back
and
just
digest
a
little
bit
more
and
have
that
discussion
as
a
prelude
to
vote.
Maybe
I'm
very
excited
about
this,
but
yeah,
I'm
sorry,
I'm
muted,
it
happens
on
zoom,
it
happens
in
real
life.
J
J
If
we
don't
build
it
in
this
responsible
way
up
front.
So
I
think
chairman
newman,
your
your
point
is
right.
I
think
that
you
know
we're
happy
to
have
some
initial.
You
know
some
more
discussion
about
this
at
a
follow-up
meeting,
but
I
thought
that
particular
graph
was
very
telling
and,
from
my
perspective,
obviously
being
fairly
biased.
I'm
very
supportive
of
the
the
full
electrification,
because
moving
away
from
fossil
fuels
is
exactly
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish.
A
L
I
can
tell
you
the
percentage
when
we,
when
it
had
natural
gas
with
the
same
size,
solar
array
was
in
the
90
range.
So
what's
the
percentage
when
we
add
the
full
electrification,
I'm
not
sure,
maybe
80
80,
something
like
that
kind
of
speaking
off
the
cuff,
but
that's
so
the
again.
You
know
we
we
kind
of
in
some
ways
backed
into
some
of
these
options.
We
started
off.
Our
big
focus
was
natural
gas
or
full
electrification,
and-
and
a
lot
of
that
was
like,
I
said,
based
off
of
well.
L
We
need
really
large
electric
heaters
for
the
garage
bay
and
doing
the
lifecycle
cost
analysis
we
saw,
while
in
the
actual
operation
of
the
facility,
we're
not
actually
using
that
much
natural
gas
or
full
electric
resistance
heat,
so
it
was
kind
of
like
we.
We
were
comparing
those
two
options
and
we
said
well,
okay.
Well,
if
we
add
this
extra
electric,
it
didn't
turn
out
to
be
that
much
how
much
additional
solar
would
we
need.
You
know
and
backed
into
some
of
these,
because
it
just
kind
of
made
sense.
Honestly.
A
A
L
So
as
as
part
of
this,
you
know
we
in
terms
of
the
parts
that
are
that
are
variable
the
upfront
costs.
The
construction
costs
are
included
in
this
here.
It's
you
know,
we
didn't
take
the
entire
facility
and
you
know
isolate
that
out,
but
we
could
very
easily
from
this
take
okay,
here's
what
the
upfront
construction
costs
are.
If
that's,
what
you're
asking.
G
L
So
this
is
not
all
costs
of
the
whole
facility;
these
are
all
of
the
costs.
That
would
vary.
So
these
are
the
hvac
systems
and
the
solar
photovoltaic
costs.
The
cost
of
getting
the
service
to
the
facility,
either
it's
natural
gas
or
electric.
We
do
not
include
you,
know,
site
cost,
wall
costs
or
elect.
You
know
not
costs
that
aren't
associated
with
the
decision.
We
didn't
include
those
yeah.
J
A
So
I
think
that's,
I
think,
that's
a
very
conservative
assumption
I
mean
because,
like
you
know,
most
of
the
equipment
will
be
definitely
for
the
panels
will
probably
be
even
warranted
for
a
lot
longer
than
that
and
would
also
have
a
functional
life
a
lot
longer
than
that,
so
not
arguing
with
it,
but
just
pointing
out,
there's
probably
a
lot
of
additional
value
out
there
over
the
life
cycle
of
the
building.
That's
probably
not
recognized
in
the
financials
of
this.
A
Yes,
I
think
that's
right
and
just
to
clarify
in
terms
of
what's
practical
from
planning
standpoint
we
could
like
if
we
said
we
want
full
electrification
option
for
the
day-to-day
operations
of
the
facility,
but
we're
still
going
to
hold
off
on
making
a
decision
about
what
kind
of
backup
system
we're
going
to
have.
That
would
be.
Those
would
be
options
that
it
would
be
feasible
to
kind
of
keep
both
of
those
on
the
table.
Is
that
right,
absolutely
great
all
right?
Well,
thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
F
Good
afternoon
today
we
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
tourism
product.
Development
fund
also
sometimes
referred
to
as
the
tmip
tourism
management
and
investment
plan
a
lot
of
acronyms
today,
and
so
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
set
the
stage.
Just
a
little
bit
talk
about
some
of
the
foundational
pieces
related
to
the
product
development
fund.
F
From
there
we've
got
some
project
ideas
we
wanted
to
share
with
you,
but
ultimately
open
it
up
to
commission
today
to
have
kind
of
an
informal
discussion
about
some
of
your
priorities
moving
forward
so
moving
to
our
overview
slide.
I
know
you
all
know
much
of
this,
but
just
so
we
kind
of
establish
a
baseline,
so
the
tourism
product
development
fund
is
the
tpdf.
F
F
So
that's
our
context.
The
upcoming
tdf
cycle,
tpdf
cycle-
I
won't
get
into
the
weeds
on
this.
There
are
two
dates
that
are
highlighted
and
those
are
the
important
ones
I
think
phase.
One
applications
are
due
june
first
and
then
phase
two
applications
are
due
at
the
end
of
august
phase.
One
is
a
simple
application.
If
things
go
well
with
those
applications,
those
projects
are
invited
back
for
phase
two.
So
that's
how
that
works.
There's
some
additional
details
that
are
included
on
this
slide
as
well.
F
So
opening
up
the
conversation
with
commission
we've
shared
with
you
just
some
projects
that
had
been
pulled
together
by
staff
the
thought
process.
On
this
you
know,
county
staff
had
worked
with
municipal
staff
over
the
past
few
years
to
understand
some
of
their
ideas,
so
municipal
staff-
meaning
you
know,
the
town
of
black
mountain
town
of
woodfin,
et
cetera,
to
come
up
with
some
ideas.
Additionally,
you
know
our
community
partners
have
approached
us
with
some
ideas,
and
so
we
pulled
those
together
in
a
couple.
F
Quick
slides-
and
this
first
slide
refers
to
to
projects
that
you
know,
buncombe
county
would
sort
of
be
the
the
direct
recipient
so
receiving
of
the
funds,
as
opposed
to
the
next
slide,
which
is
more
about
projects
that
might
go
to
a
you
know,
a
different
municipality
or
a
different
entity,
but
that
it's
still
been
brought
to
our
attention,
and
so
we
wanted
to
share
with
commission
so
the
way
to
read
the
slide.
You
know:
we've
got
a
project
name,
a
description,
an
estimated
total
cost.
This
is
very
high
level.
F
We,
I
don't
have
vendor
invoices
behind
this
at
this
point,
but
then
we've
also
got
a
priority
column
on
the
far
right,
and
so
that's
where
we'd
kind
of
want
to
hear
some
input
today
from
commission
and
in
terms
of
priority,
it
could
be
a
high,
medium
and
low.
We
don't
have
to
rank
all
of
them,
but
just
want
to
get
a
general
sense
from
commission.
If
there's
any
projects
you'd
like
to
focus
on,
I
would
also
say
that
you
know
the
mere
discussion
of
these
projects
is
certainly
not.
F
So
if
helpful,
what
I'll
do
is
I'll
just
quickly
walk
through
very
high
level
and
then
I'll
open
it
up
to
you
all
to
discuss
so
at
the
top
of
the
project
list,
we
have
affordable
housing
development,
and
so
what
we're
proposing
here
is
some
type
of
recurring
allocation
of
tda
funds
to
support
the
development
of
affordable
housing
in
buncombe
county,
and
so
this
affordable
housing,
you
know,
would
be
for
those
that
are
likely
to
be
employed
in
the
service.
Hospitality
or
other
industry
related,
but
you
know,
trying
to
meet
a
major
community
need.
F
F
The
next
item
refers
to
sort
of
phase
two
of
the
sports
park:
recreation
destination,
you've
already
seen
us
and
you've
funded
turf
and
lights
at
the
buncombe
county
sports
park.
Those
three
fields
we
would
propose
doing
another
potentially
three
fields-
to
continue
to
grow
our
ability
to
have
more
playable
hours
here
in
buncombe
county.
F
F
F
The
first
relates
to
mccormick
field,
and
so,
as
you
know,
mccormick
field
is
city
owned.
It's
the
home
of
the
asheville
taurus,
really
great
community
asset,
there's
a
number
of
deferred
maintenance,
but
also
sports,
related
requests
by
major
league
baseball
that
have
come
to
the
forefront
and
have
been
talked
about
in
the
news.
F
F
F
We
know
that
the
widening
project
is
ongoing
and
will
be
with
us
for
some
time.
There
are
a
number
of
aesthetic
improvements
to
sort
of.
You
know
make
the
infrastructure
so
more
appealing
and
sort
of
fit
in
better
with
our
environment.
That's
what
that
refers
to,
and
then
we
have
a
handful
of
site
plans
that
we
worked
on
during
the
original
tmip
project,
which
was
almost
three
years
ago
now,
with
the
towns
of
black
mountain
weaverville.
Swannanoa
excuse
me
montreat
and
then
swannano,
of
course,
is
not
a
town.
F
It's
just
a
place
that
we
recognize
as
a
place,
and
so
I
won't
jump
into
the
details
of
any
of
those,
but
those
municipalities
have
lots
of
ideas
about
how
they
can
improve
their
communities
through
the
addition
of
bike
parks
greenways,
you
name
it
so
I'll
back
up
and
hopefully
stop
talking
at
this
point,
but
wanted
to
get
a
sense
from
y'all.
If
there
are
any
items
that
you
know
jump
out
to
you
as
areas,
you'd
want
to
focus
on
maybe
put
ahead
of
other
items.
F
A
So
you
know
we
could
have
some
discussion
here,
commissioners,
and
but
I
was
also
thinking
I'm
sorry.
Maybe
we
might
have
should
have
huddled
about
this,
the
mechanics
of
how
to
do
this
weighing
in
process
a
little
bit
more,
because
you
know
this.
These
are
all
I
mean.
Many
of
these
are
pretty
significant
projects.
A
A
You
know
medium
priorities
and
not
that
we
wouldn't
love
to
see
any
of
these
different
things
happen,
but
you
know:
are
there
some
of
these
that
simply,
you
know,
frankly,
fall
below
the
others
in
terms
of
level
of
prioritization,
especially
in
terms
of
what
might
happen
over
the
next.
You
know
one
to
five
years,
so
to
speak,
so
we
could
have
some
discussion
and
I
was
thinking
you
know.
A
Sometimes,
when
we've
had
issues
like
this
before,
I
don't
think
anybody
wants
to
just
raise
their
hand
and
say,
like
I
hate
that
project
right,
but
you
know
if
we
had
a
process
whereby
we
could
you
know
kind
of
rank
these
together.
As
a
group,
then
I
think
some
of
the
things
that
are
most
important
would
start
to
really
stand
out.
So
I
was
thinking
that
might
be
a
process
we
we
go
through,
which
you
know.
A
A
H
H
No,
it
sounds
like
it's
so
yeah
walk
us
through
sort
of
what
you're
thinking
is
on
what
the
sweet
spot
would
be
both
for.
I
think
that
my
two
questions
would
be
sort
of
the
number
of
projects
we
advance
and
then
the
total
amount
of
funding
that
would
represent
both
on
a
one-year
basis
but
then,
obviously
with
if
affordable
housing
is
included
on
an
ongoing
basis.
F
Sure
I'm
glad
to
try
to
muddle
through
this,
but
our
project
list
will
be
limited
based
on
funding
and
currently
I
believe
we
we're
at
12
million
dollars
roughly
in
product
development
funds
that
are
available
for
allocation
and
anticipating
being
at,
I
think,
15
million
before
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year,
and
you
know
that
the
product
development
fund
refills-
I
I
think
it
r,
roughly
a
two
million
dollar
a
month
amount.
Don't
quote
me
on
that
at
the
moment,
and
so
I
do
think
there's
some
limitations.
F
E
A
Is
a
lot
of
there
are
a
lot
of
resources
flowing
through
this
fund?
I
mean
you
know.
I
think
we
all
support
changing
it,
so
that
there's
even
more
community
kind
of
infrastructure,
investment
and
priorities,
and
hopefully
that
will
happen
through
proposed
changes
to
the
legislation,
but
even
with
the
legislation
as
it
stands
now,
there's
you
know
maybe
nine
to
11
million
dollars
annually
they're
going
to
go
to
these
community
type
projects,
so
there's
definitely
room
for
to
do
multiple
multiples
of
these
projects
over
the
next.
You
know
over
the
next
few
years
so.
F
Yeah,
I'd
also
add
that
there
is
a
matching
component
related
to
any.
You
know,
tpdf
grants,
and
so
generally
it's
a
one-to-one.
So
you
know
if
the
tda
were
to
put
in
a
million.
You
would
expect
a
million
to
come
from.
You
know
either
the
county
or
the
county
and
partners.
So
there
is
that
element
as
well.
So.
H
I'd
be
interested
in
exploring
that,
and
then
I
think
my
other
question
is
not
right
now,
but
as
we
move
forward
and
before
we
sort
of
bring
forth
our
final
recommendations,
understanding
what
matching
fun
could
look
like
on
each
project
and
how
much
actual
I'd
like
to
get
our
head
around
sort
of
how
much
actual
county
general
fund
dollars
would
be
investing
or
secured
grant
funding.
We
know
we'd,
be
investing
and
and
also
sort
of
think
about
it.
E
H
F
And
I
do
think
an
itera
iterative
discussion
would
be
helpful,
getting
a
sense
of
you
know,
commissions,
general
priorities
and
bringing
those
to
the
table
with
other
key
players.
Obviously
you
know
the
city
of
asheville
tda.
I
think
that's
the
key
understanding
where
that
alignment
is
between
those
major
entities.
G
A
G
G
I
definitely
think
that
putting
you
know
there
are
some
projects
that
they've
already
been
partnering
with
us
on,
and
I
think
I'd
like
to
see
those
you
know
come
to
completion
the
the
woodfin
and
the
recreation
destination
both
of
those
it'd
be
nice
to
get
get
those
wrapped
up
and
completed
ferry
road.
Clearly,
I'm
supportive
of
I'll
make
the
case
for
the
farm
heritage
trail
too,
because
I
know
more
about
that-
one
probably
than
the
rest
of
you
so
I'll
speak
to
that.
G
So
our
farming
community
have
been
asking
for
this
for
years,
because
we
did
the
northwest
portion
over
there
and
ever
since
that
was
done.
Farmers
and
the
rest
of
the
county
have
been
saying
why
not
us
and-
and
this
is
definitely
as
a
economic
opportunity
for
the
farms-
it
helps
generate
more
folks
coming
out
there
and
providing
income.
So
I
did
want
to
make
a
plug
for
that
not
being
left
off
as
well.
N
F
O
I'd
have
to
have
more
time
and
just
working
with
tim
of
knowing
if
we
can
set
up
some
three-on-threes
to
for
other
information,
be
you
know
out
for
a
30-minute
session
here
where
I
can
understand
more
about
it.
So
I
think
we're
all
right
there
with
the
affordable
housing,
though
I
would
think
but
other
than
that
I
don't
want
to
get
in
no
deeper.
D
You
know,
I'm,
you
know,
affordable
housing
that
would
fit
right
in
because
one
group
it
would,
I
see
us
that
would
benefit
from
this-
would
be
the
workers
at
the
hotels,
because
a
lot
of
them
cannot
afford
to
live.
You
know,
and
not
only
in
asheville,
but
in
buncombe
county
they
drive
in.
So
that's
why
I
would
think
coming
from
that
fund.
N
D
N
A
I'll
just
comment:
I'm
also
excited
it's
in
the
mix
and
I
think
if
we,
you
know
if
we
and
then
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
the
tda's
decision
on
this-
that
they
decide
to
be
supportive
of
it.
There
are
a
lot
of
details
to
work
out
around
like
well
exactly.
How
would
that
work,
because
I
think
that
that
both
you
know
legally
and
that's
probably
the
most
important
part
is
that
legally,
the
funds
would
have
to
be
invested
in
a
way
that
are
directly
supporting
the
housing
for
the
tourism
industry.
A
Workforce
right,
I
think
that's
how
they
can
legally
justify
investing
those
funds,
because
it's
got
to
be
to
benefit
under
the
state
statutes,
tourism,
industry
and
but
obviously
the
workforce
is
essential
to
that.
So
that's
how
they
make
that
case.
So
I
think
in
the
programs
that
we
work
on,
though
we
already
see
that,
like
a
very
high
percentage
of
the
people
that
benefit
from
the
affordable
housing
programs
are
people
who
work
in
the
service
sector
and
tourism
sector.
A
So
we
will
just
need
to
like
work
with
them,
to
figure
out
how
to
document
that
and
and
to
show
that
the
projects
they're
supporting
are
directly
contributing
towards
those
additional
units
that
folks
in
their
workforce
are
part
of,
so
I'm
in
anyway.
I'm
very
supportive
of
that,
and-
and
I
think
it
could.
The
timing
is
great
and
we've
got
these
goals.
A
We
know
we
can't
do
it
alone
and
having
them
join
the
city
and
dogwood
and
county
as
another
partner
would
just
help
continue
towards
building
this
momentum
that
I
think
we're
seeing
I'll
just
say
like
when
you
know
when
I
rank
these.
It's
not
just
because
they're
the
ke
like
the
county-sponsored
projects,
but
I
do,
I
would
say
just
as
an
elected
official
if
there
were
other
projects
that
the
county
wasn't
necessarily
leading
on
but
which
I
felt
like
were
top
priorities.
A
I
would
vote
for
them,
but
I
do
see
those
counting
projects
that,
for
me,
are
ones
that
really
do
feel
like
really
high
priorities.
The
for,
of
course,
affordable
housing.
But
then
the
woodfin,
the
whitfin
project,
has
been.
We've
been
working
on
that
as
a
community.
For
years-
and
it
feels
like
we're
really
close-
we
just
need
to
push
that
across
the
finish
line.
So
that's
very
high
for
me,
the
ferry
road
property.
I
think
you
know.
Of
course,
we
all
believe
it's
a
great
opportunity
right,
but
it
needs
some
infrastructure
investment.
A
But
it's
going
to
be
a
great.
I
mean
it's
a
great
park,
greenways
french,
broad
river,
so
that
ranks
really
high
too
and
the
other
two
county-led
projects,
I
think,
are
also
really
really
strong
as
well.
So
when
I
rank
the
when
I
rank
them,
it
is
going
to
be
those
county
ones
that
I
rank
the
highest,
but
not
just
customers
the
county,
but
I
just
think
that
they're
really
high
community
priorities,
so
avril.
E
Are
there
any
projects
missing
as
a
stem
open
up
by
saying
these
are
projects
that
we
put
on
the
table?
So
I'm
not
sure
if
there's
any
from
the
commission
standpoint
that
is
missing
as
well
as
we
sit
down
to
talk
to
tda,
we
don't
want
it
to
just
be
what
we
think,
but
you
want
to
make
sure
we're
carrying
forward
your
priorities.
M
A
I
think,
within
within
the
constraints
of
the
existing
legislation,
I
think
these
are.
This
is
a
really
good
list
to
focus
on,
so
we've
got
about
a
little
over
15
minutes.
I
do
want
to
mention
briefly
some
some
information
about
the
ferry
road,
but
I
mean
do
we
have
a
way
we
could
kind
of
do
a
ranking
of
these
projects
real
quickly.
Do
we
need
to
just
kind
of
like
write?
Have
everyone
write
down?
A
E
A
When
is
the
when's
the
upcoming
meeting
again
that's
on
monday,
I
mean
another
option.
If
you
want
a
little
time
to
think
about
it
is
we
could
email
that
information
in
and
the
other
thing
I
would
say
to
robert
to
address
your
concern,
because
this
is
important.
I
don't
want
people
to
feel
like
rushed.
A
A
So
so
we
don't
have
to
feel
like.
This
is
like
the
final
final
decision
on
it,
but
why
don't
we
all
plan
on
just
sending
an
email
to
the
to
avril
by
the
end
of
this
week?
Kind
of
listing
your?
Do
you
want
top
five?
Why
don't
we
do
our
top
five?
Is
that
good
everybody
good
with
that
yeah
all
right,
we'll
do
that
and
that'll
be
our
initial
input
on
it,
but
we'll
we'll
revisit
this
in
maybe
maybe
30
days
from
now
and
before
we
apply
yep
all
right.
Commissioners!
Great!
A
A
Some
of
these
are
are
I
I
mean
my
feeling
is
like
in
some
ways
we
should
keep
this
pretty
broad
because
we're
bringing
in
some
great
land
use
consultants
who
are
going
to
be
able
to
help
flesh
this
out
and
bring
some
real
business
acumen
to
this
process.
So
I
don't
want
us
to
get
so
specific
that
we
limit
what
they're
able
to
do
so.
Some
of
this
is
pretty
it's
fairly
broad
and
in
a
couple
other
areas
I
thought
giving
a
little
more
specific
direction
might
be
helpful.
A
A
A
The
commission
supports-
and
a
lot
of
this
is
just
lifted
frankly,
right
out
of
the
strategic,
the
affordable
housing
and
workforce
housing
goals
that
we
approved
recently.
But
within
the
development
footprint,
the
commission
supports
a
phased
development
approach
that
would
make
a
significant
contribution
to
meeting
the
county's
recently
approved,
affordable
and
workforce
housing
goals
with
a
diversity
of
housing
types,
including
multifamily,
missing
middle
and
single-family
homes.
A
Next
bullet
point:
support
for
inclusion
of
some
commercial
elements
if
financially
viable
and
harmonious
with
the
overall
project
design
such
as
live
work,
spaces,
light
manufacturing,
outdoor
recreation,
oriented
businesses,
child
care
facilities
and
neighborhood
oriented
businesses,
and
then
the
last
bullet
point
is
in
order
to
help
meet
these
goals.
At
least
two-thirds
of
the
new
construction
units
should
be
priced
at
affordable
and
workforce
price
points.
A
Provisions
should
be
included
to
assure
long-term
affordability,
and
the
commission
is
open
to
inclusion
of
some
market
rate
units
as
well
to
help
finance
the
infrastructure
improvements
that
are
needed
for
the
future
of
the
property.
So
all
right,
so
that's
that's-
was
sort
of
my
stab
at
not
necessarily
picking
exactly
what
I
would
do
if
it
was
just
up
to
me,
but
I
was
trying
to
kind
of
incorporate
ideas.
A
I've
been
hearing
and
feedback
from
the
commission
as
we've
gone
through
this
process
so,
and
I
thought
going
into
a
little
bit
more
detail
like
this
might
be
more
helpful
than
just
sort
of
saying
you
know
who
wants
b
and
who
wants
c
so
and
in
some
ways
there's.
Maybe
some
elements
of
several
of
the
scenarios
in
here.
So
if
there's
any
initial
questions
or
feedback,
we
could
we
have
a
few
minutes.
We
could
do
that
now
in
preparation
for
sort
of
thinking
about
this
further
later
tonight,.
G
I
think
that's
a
a
really
good
draft
there
that
incorporates
a
lot
of
what
I've
been
hearing.
So
I
appreciate
you
working
on
getting
with
us
and
putting
that
together.
It
will
probably
save
a
whole
lot
of
discussion
later
on
too.
But
one
thing
I
think
we'll
also
need
to
make
sure,
is
the
infrastructure.
G
That's
one
thing
I
didn't
hear
addressed
in
this
and
I
think
we
definitely
have
to
make
sure
that
the
infrastructure
will
be
addressed,
because
that's
one
thing
that
we've
heard
from
the
community
and
I'd
say
that
would
be
the
clearly
the
roads
as
well
as
then
I
would
say,
and
you
did
touch
on
the
green
infrastructure,
the
buffer.
All
of
that's
really
important.
So
thanks
for
making
sure
that
was
one
thing
we
heard
from
the
community.
A
So
support
inclusion
of
the
infrastructure,
the
property
needs
and
the
neighborhood
needs
that
includes
an
access
road
to
the
property,
so
that
folks
aren't
using
just
the
existing
road
system.
That's
in
there.
I
think
that's
a
great
point,
other
infrastructure
that
you
think
we
ought
to
specifically
mention
in
terms
of
planning
for
the
property.