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A
A
A
C
A
E
B
You
I
think
I've
met
most
of
you,
but
my
name
is
still
Carter
and
I
am
the
project
manager
of
life
and
Thomas
and
I
are
here
today
are
here
today
to
share
the
proposed
evaluation
criteria
for
green,
raised
projects
to
be
funded
through
this
one
as
a
quick
refresher.
So
the
open
space
bonds
does
allocate
30
million
dollars
towards
three
types
of
projects
being
conservation,
convinced
passive
Recreation
lands.
B
Each
of
these
project
types
will
be
functioning
under
its
own
application
process,
where
staff
will
receive
and
review
proposals.
Projects
Advisory
board
for
each
component
will
review
those
proposals
and
select
which
ones
they'd
like
to
recommend
and
move
forward
and
then,
ultimately,
the
Commissioners
will
select
which
projects
to
fund
for
conservation
agents.
This
is
actually
something
that
we've
been
doing
in
the
county
for
a
long
time.
So
we
have
a
fairly
well
established
process
for
that
project.
Selection.
B
That
process
has
been
revised
to
meet
the
goals
of
the
bond,
but
for
Passive
Recreation
events
and
Greenways.
We
do
not
have
a
process
in
place,
so
we
are
currently
following
this
process.
You
see
to
the
right
to
develop
or
to
design
how
we
want
to
allocate
these
funds
for
those
two
project
types
and
currently
we
are
in
the
process
of
developing
the
evaluation
criteria
and
bringing
it
forward.
B
So
on
a
quick
status
update
the
evaluation
criteria
for
conservation
business
was
actually
adopted
by
the
Commissioners
on
May
2nd,
which
will
allow
us
to
move
forward
with
project
selection,
and
we
anticipate
that
we
will
be
able
to
select
the
first
project
to
see
funding
this
summer.
Passive
Recreation.
We
are
currently
in
a
public
engagement
process
whereby
we've
been
meeting
with
Community,
Partners
and
larger
public
to
kind
of
set
the
vision
for
what
passive
Recreation
should
look
like,
as
well
as
get
their
feedback
on
draft
criteria.
D
B
C
B
With
our
Advisory
Board
several
times,
as
well
as
Key
Community
Partners
at
the
budget
public
to
get
their
input,
we
refined
that
criteria
accordingly
and
it
was
approved
by
our
Recreation
Advisory
board.
So
we
are
now
sharing
it
with
this
subcommittee
to
get
additional
feedback,
as
well
as
the
idea
of
how
this
criteria
approved
before
we
go
to
the
Control
Commission,
and
then
we
will
be
able
to
move
into
pre-development
for
the
three
shuttle
ready
projects.
B
F
B
G
So
I'm
Thomas
goal
I'm
the
relatively
new
principal
Park
planner
here
at
Buncombe,
County
I
have
not
met
everyone
in
this
room,
yet
so
hello
I'm
glad
to
meet
you
before
we
start
to
talk
about
the
greenway
criteria.
Specifically
I
did
want
to
provide
a
little
bit
of
context.
I
think
this
context
will
help
us
understand
some
of
the
criteria
themselves,
but
also
help
us
understand
kind
of
what
I
think
we
can
accomplish
with
The
Greenway
open
space
on-premise.
G
So
with
that
being
said,
there
are
really
two
different
ways:
you
can
fund
a
Greenway
project,
so
you
can
locally
fund
them
in
which
the
local
government
is
on
the
hook
for
essentially
100
of
the
cost
of
the
greenway.
They
can
apply
for
local
grants
and
such
to
be
included
in
that,
but
you're
mainly
dealing
with
local
government
funds
through
their
budget.
G
There
are
a
lot
fewer
restrictions
and
regulations
when
you
do
it
this
way,
which
leads
to
a
quicker
process
for
planning
through
the
complete
instruction
and
those
projects
can
be
locally
prioritized
and
then
the
second
way
that
projects
are
funded
are
actually
through
the
empty.
This
involves
an
80
20
split
between
state
and
federal
funds
and
required
local
match
to
meet
those
funds
with
this
particular
method
of
funding.
There's
a
lot
more
regulations
that
are
tied
to
state
and
federal
approval
approvals,
all
done
through
the
ncdot.
G
This
Project's
funded
in
this
manner
are
much
more
lengthy
in
their
approvals
that
are
required
to
move
from
one
phase
to
the
next.
So
the
overall
instructions
are
from
planning
through
to
complete
construction
as
much
length
here
in
time,
and
these
particular
prior
projects
are
prioritized
by
the
step
and
the
mdos
MTP.
The
State
Transportation
Improvement
program.
G
G
These
projects
predated
me
here
at
the
accounting
by
many
years,
so
a
lot
of-
and
these
are
all
funded
through
the
NPO
so
when
they
were
funded
through
the
NPO,
their
project
cost
estimates
were
a
lot
lower
than
what
they
are
now.
So
it
is
estimated
that
at
current
cost
estimates
put
that
we're
going
to
need
about
five
million
dollars
in
Greenway
bonfons
to
see
these
projects
through
to
completion
they
currently
are
scheduled
to
be
complete
in
the
fourth
quarter
of
2025.
G
However,
both
of
these
kind
of
things
can
change
both
the
budget
and
the
timeline
can
change
based
on
current
market
volatility,
as
well
as
kind
of
that
approval
process
and
the
ways
that
we're
experiencing
getting
those
approvals
within
cvft.
So
we
started
to
do
some
of
the
math.
Here
we
have
a
30
million
dollar
open
space
Bond.
We
split
three
ways
between
land
conservation,
Greenways
and
passive
Recreation
lands.
G
Then,
on
top
of
that,
you
have
five
million
dollars
that
are
going
to
be
needed
to
go
towards
these
Greenway
shuttle
ready
Greenway
projects
and
then,
if
you
add
on
top
of
that,
the
current
cost
estimates
are.
Projections
for
Greenway
projects
to
be
completed
within
our
region
are
about
3.5
million
dollars
per
mile.
You
start
to
realize
some
of
the
implications
of
kind
of
the
situation
we're
in
when
we're
talking
about
what
we
can
accomplish
with
these
green
light
bottom
funds.
G
So
with
that
kind
of
as
the
context
and
setting
the
table
we'll
start
talking
about
the
green
light
criteria
themselves.
So,
as
Jill
mentioned,
to
bring
my
generating
The,
Greenway
criteria
has
been
a
much
different
process
than
that
of
delaying
conservation
process,
just
because
we
do
not
currently
have
a
process
in
place
for
how
to
select
Greenway
projects
in
the
county.
G
So
we
knew
there
are
some
certain
groups
that
we
wanted
to
engage.
Obviously
the
general
public
and
then
those
stakeholder
organizations
that
were
really
associated
with
Greenways
in
our
community.
So
organizations
like
connect,
welcome,
connect,
Inc,
but
also
other
municipalities
throughout
the
county.
So
because.
G
G
We
did
create
an
online
survey
on
our
public
input
page
for
Greenways,
and
then
we
also
wanted
to
maintain
an
open
dialogue
through
a
email
correspondence
as
well
with
the
public
and
our
stakeholders
so
kind
of
how
the
process
and
unraveled
is.
We
did
start
this
process
in
January
of
this
year,
in
which
staff
drafted
our
initial
seven
criteria.
We
took
that
to
our
Recreation
Advisory
Board
February.
G
We
revised
the
criteria
based
on
their
impact,
our
input,
sorry,
and
then
we
took
that
to
our
stakeholders
in
the
public
with
our
stakeholder
in
public
meetings
in
March.
March
is
also
when
our
public
or
our
survey
went,
went
live
online
on
our
public
input
page.
So
in
April
we
really
spent
that
month.
G
Doing
is
kind
of
synthesizing
and
analyzing
kind
of
all
of
that
feedback
that
we
received
and
then
refining
the
criteria
based
on
the
input
that
we
received
and
then
taking
that
to
our
Recreation
Advisory
Board
earlier
this
month
and
obviously
we're
before
you
here
today.
We
hope
to
present
this
Greenway
criteria
to
Commission
in
June.
G
G
We
have
qualifying
weight
criteria
and
you'll
notice
that
some
of
these
criteria
actually
cross
categories
here,
so
you'll
see
leveraging
of
bond
funds
both
in
the
qualifying
criteria
and
the
weighted
criteria,
as
well
as
feasibility
feasibility,
isn't
both
one
other
thing
to
note
on
this
particular
slide
is
you'll,
see
the
percentage
weights
associated
with
each
of
the
weighted
criteria
and
those
directly
reflect
the
importance.
The
level
of
importance,
kind
of
feedback
that
we've
received
from
the
General
Public
good.
H
G
Yeah,
so
with
our
qualifying
criteria,
like
I've
said
we
had
four
and
there
are
yes,
no
questions,
and
essentially
the
project
will
have
to
answer
yes
to
each
of
these
questions
in
order
to
qualify
for
open
space
bond
funds,
so
first
as
kind
of
outlined
in
the
context,
we're
really
going
to
need
to
leverage
these
bond
funds
in
order
to
make
a
greater
impact.
So
will
the
bond
funds
be
leveraged
effectively
using
other
sources?
Yes
or
not?
Yes,
you
can
move
on
project,
scheduling
and
timeline.
B
G
G
However,
there
are
projects
out
there
that
do
not
have
those
so
we're
recommending
that
people
that
would
be
applying
for
these
funds
now
start
those
feasibility
studies
and
then
geographic
location
is
a
project
located
within
pumpkin
County
It's
Our
intention
that
Cumberland
County,
open
space,
Bond
tournaments
will
be
sent
on
projects
in
Baltimore
County.
We
realize
that
some
of
these
projects
may
actually
cross
county
lines
and
we're
totally
okay
with
that.
G
However,
the
the
part
of
the
project
that
will
be
funded
with
our
open
space
bond
funds
can
be
used
to
be
located
all
right.
So
moving
on
to
some
of
the
weighted
criteria,
kind
of
the
first
one
we
have
here
is
connectivity
and
with
connectivity.
What
we
were
really
hearing
is
that
people
really
want
Greenways
to
connect
to
other
Greenways,
but
they
really
want
Greenways
to
connect
communities
to
other
things
as
well.
G
They
want
Spring
ways
to
connect
communities
to
communities,
communities
to
other
Public,
Services,
Commerce
and
jobs,
and
really
kind
of
the
overarching
theme
of
why
this
connection
was
so
important.
Is
people
really
want
Greenways
to
provide
connections
that
are
alternative
form,
alternative
methods
for
transportation
so
that
they
can
reduce
their
number
of
vehicles
on
their
trips
to
and
from
places,
and
therefore,
reducing
carbon
emissions
transitions
well
into
our
next
kind
of
criteria,
which
is
environmental
impact
kind
of
the
main
theme
we've
heard
in
our
feedback
on
this
particular
criteria?
G
Is
that
not
only
do
people
want
to
see
that
Greenway
Greenway
projects
reduce
the
environmental
impact,
negative
environmental
impact,
but
also,
whenever
the
opportunity
presents
itself
that
these
projects
actually
take
advantage
of
those
opportunities
to
have
a
positive
impact
on
the
environment?
So
some
of
the
key
themes
that
we
kind
of
heard
were
minimizing
stormwater
impact
were
spent,
respecting
sensitive
ecosystems
and
wildlife,
habitat
and
turning
Greenways
and
intern
and
Greenways
have
proper
Land
Management
plans
after
they're
constructed
the
next
criteria.
G
We
have
is
accessibility
and
when
we're
talking
about
accessibility
for
Greenway
projects,
we're
really
talking
about
three
different
types
of
accessibility
that
we
heard
in
our
feedback.
One
is
kind
of
your
standard.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
green
waves
for
the
greenway
trailheads
transitions
to
and
from
kind
of
the
multimodal
transit
system
transit
system
are
all
designed
for
Ada
accessibility.
G
The
next
common
component
is
that
feasibility,
as
mentioned
previously
in
the
qualifying
criteria,
we're
requiring
the
feasibility
study
complete,
but,
as
we
all
probably
understand,
all
feasibility
studies
are
not
equal,
so
we're
we're
adding
a
separate
layer
on
top
of
that
and
what
we
really
want
to
do
with
this
particular
criteria.
Is
look
at
take
a
really
in-depth
look
at
natural
and
man-made
opportunities
and
constraints
along
the
corridors.
G
Also,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
have
hyper
local
support
for
the
greenway
projects,
so
in
Buncombe
County
we
do
not
exercise
imminent
domain
in
order
to
get
Greenway
projects
completed.
So
we
have
to
work
with
willing
land
owners
in
order
to
acquire
easements
and
right-of-way
in
order
to
get
the
Greenways
built
and
then
third
for
the
feasibility
again,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
these
projects
can
be
delivered
within
the
timeline.
Yes,.
H
B
E
D
H
So
yeah
I
think
the
county
I
think
when
the
county
adopted
the
first
Greenway
plans
before
I
was
on
the
commission
like
back
in
2011
or
thereabouts.
I.
Think
the
county
commissioner
explained
because
it
was
you
know
there
was
some
controversial,
controversial
nature
to
it.
At
the
time
agreements
were
crazy,
new
idea,
the
I
think
I
think
people
said
we'll.
H
Never
we'll
never
use
imminent
domain
to
kind
of
get
settled
down
said
it
out
loud,
but
I
don't
know
if
it
was
ever
voted
on,
but
it
was
said
out
loud,
but
I
guess
I
would
just
I
guess
I
would
just
share.
You
know,
I
mean
certainly
I
think
it
should
be
a
tool
of
rap
Last
Resort.
But
you
know
if
there's
some
project,
that
the
community
really
wants
to
see
happen
and,
and
you
get
you
get,
you
know
nine
different
Property
Owners.
H
They
do
easements
and
stuff
like
that,
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
would
we
not
do
a
project
that
would
be
very
compelling
and
benefit
our
home
Community,
because
one
property
that
we
wouldn't
give
you
50
to
easement
along
the
edge
of
their
property?
We
really
not
do
that
that
doesn't
it
doesn't
seem
like
a
responsible
position
or
policy
for
us
to
have
going
forward.
H
We
would
never
have
that
same
policy
when
it
comes
to
other
Transportation
projects
right
like
we
just
we
just
wouldn't
like
roads
things
get
built
like
so
so
because,
because
I
do
hear,
that
I
think
maybe
there
should
just
be
sort
of
some
internal
discussion
around
it.
If
it's
not
an
officially
adopted
policy,
maybe
there's
no
need
to
have
one,
but
I
think
I
mean
I
would
encourage
us
to
think
about
it
as
sort
of
a
tool
and
blaster's
door
as
opposed
to
you
know,
you
would
never
do
it
and
I
hope
it
doesn't.
H
G
But
the
one
counter
I
have
heard
to
that
is:
if
you
are
seeking
Bond
bonds
or
Greenway
development,
then
oftentimes
that
can
turn
people
off
to
the
bond,
because
what,
if
it's
my
land
next
that
the
government
pays?
So
that's.
That's
the
one
counter
I've
heard
to
that
argument.
So
just
Just
For
Thought
in
the
discussion.
G
So
the
next
criteria
we
have
is
we
want
these
projects
to
be
currently
identified
as
a
county-wide
need
opportunity
and
priority
and
kind
of
how
we
Define.
That
is
that
the
projects
need
to
be
identified
within
a
existing
Municipal,
County
region
or
state
Trail,
or
agree
to
my
master
plan.
Now
we
do
realize
that
our
current
Greenway
master
plan
is
was
last
last
completed
in
2012..
G
Equity
is
our
next
component
and
we're
really
talking
about
three
different
things
when
we're
talking
about
Equity
here,
some
of
which
we've
already
heard
in
kind
of
the
accessibility
component
as
well,
but
we're
really
talking
about
people
wanting
projects
to
involve
traditionally
underserved
communities
in
the
county,
even
from
the
planning
and
feasibility
stages
of
the
projects.
We're
talking
about
people
wanting
projects
that
directly
serve
these
particular
communities.
C
C
B
Okay,
you
can
go
back,
it's
just
that.
I
think
there
are
several
bullets
in
each
of
these.
That
are
the
same,
and
maybe
that's
fine,
but
I
I,
don't
know,
I
mean
I,
don't
know
if
it's
written,
meaning
we're
like
double
counting
in
some
ways.
So
it
may
just
be
something
to
look
at
like
about
15
doesn't
think
about
serving.
E
A
C
B
I
H
It's
it's
definitely
yeah
I
mean
it's
like,
especially
like
opposition
sidewalks.
It's
not
like
it's
hard
to
kind
of
like
yeah
and
wrap
your
brain
around
yeah.
But
you
know
I
mean
I
think
that
the
community
engagement
around
stuff
is
good
and
if
you
think
you
gotta
as
sort
of
hard
to
kind
of
support
the
notion
in
a
way
as
it
is,
you
know,
I
think
you
still
have
to
hear
it
right
like
in
the
reality.
Is
we
have
five
night
dollars?
H
We
don't
have
dollars
to
put
Greenways
in
sidewalks
everywhere,
so
Place.
Does
it
all
like?
Let's
tell
them
where
they
do
right
so
I
mean
I,
think
you
do
have
to
listen,
and
even
if
you
don't
really
agree,
you
know
I
think
and
the
part
of
it
is.
You
know
as
as
is
that
the
gentrification
stuff
is
real
right,
like
neighborhoods
really
do
get
symptoms
on
it,
so
I
think
they're.
H
You
know
there
might
be
larger
Community
strategies
we'd
have
to
address
instrumentation
because
it's
not
being
primary
sidewalks
and
Greenways.
But
but
there
is,
you
know
there
is
real
research
that
shows
these
kind
of
amenities
can
accelerate.
It
so
it's
not
a
completely
substantiveless
concern
that
these
neighborhoods
and
residents
share
too
so.
C
B
What
it
you
just
how
meta
do
you
want
to
get
when
you're
looking
for
equity
in
public
money
right,
because,
ultimately,
if
you're
having
communities
who
fear
this
as
gentrification
so
you're
like
cool
you're,
not
first
in
line
we'll
go
to
the
first
in
line
we'll
make
some
guesses
about
the
communities
that
are
first
in
line
of
what
they're
occurring
status?
Is
that
property
taxes
Etc
and
so
then
so
I
think
you
all.
H
C
B
G
So
all
right,
so,
as
previously
stated,
leveraging
was
a
qualifying
criteria,
but
also
we
wanted
to
further
that
kind
of
discussion
as
well
so
and
included
in
this
particular
criteria.
Is
Project
costs
as
well?
So
not
only
are
we
going
to
be
asking
the
question
is:
are
the
bond
funds
leveraged,
but
at
what
rate
are
they
leveraged?
So
we
would
like
to
give
preference
to
projects
that
were
able
to
leverage
bond
funds
at
a
greater
rate
than
others.
G
Potentially,
we
also
want
to
make
sure
that
all
of
our
project
cost
estimates
are
up
to
date
with
those
kind
of
existing
feasibility
studies
out
there,
some
that
have
sat
on
the
shelf
for
quite
a
few
years.
They
have
project
cost
estimates
associated
with
them,
but
those
would
be
pretty
outdated
at
this
point.
G
G
B
B
Trails,
it's
basically
saying
like
this.
One
is
20,
so
that's
very
important
if
you're
waiting
and
then
there's
a
long
list
here
of
how
it
could
be
connecting
right
and
so
that'll
be
maybe
the
more
new
monster
subjective
part
in
the
decision
point
because
and
I
wonder
right
now
it
looks
like
there's
a
menu
of
all
the
different
ways
that
you
could
be
connecting,
but
in
is,
is
there
value
in
being
more
strategic
and
taking
one
of
these
I
don't
know
I?
G
B
C
B
But
I
think
Greenways
have
a
really
high
value
public
transportation
also
and
in
the
city.
We'd
have
scatter
shot
Network
and
it's
really
hard
to
close
those
gaps
and
I
understand
path,
release
resistance,
I
know
why
we
do
it.
It's
like
gosh,
if
you
want
to
hold
out
on
a
perfect
line.
No,
but
I
think
this
is
a
real
strategic
question
to
think
about.
As
you
start,
this
program.
G
I'm
going
to
clarify
the
point
that
I
made
because
I'm
not
I'm
not
advocating
for
scatter
shot
like
approach,
I'm
saying
that
those
projects
that
are
the
easiest
that
align
with
the
master
plan
so
that
you
know
the
connectivity
does
happen
in
future
days.
I'm
not
advocating
for
an
approach
where
you're
not
looking
at
a
picture
just
want
to
point
clarification.
I.
B
B
B
D
H
You're,
looking
at
like
yeah
this
process,
there's
no
money
like
you're
talking
about
a
mile
or
two
agreement
right.
Why
don't
you
just
pick
which
model
everything
we're
going
to
do
and
do
that
and
then
once
we've
done
that,
because
otherwise,
if
we
come
up
with
a
process
for
something,
does
it
have
funding
to
do
right?
So
do
we
actually
know
which
mile
or
two
of
additional
people
we're
going
to
do.
H
B
E
B
Of
people
who
likes
to
work
really
had
a
major
impact,
and
so
anyway
I
just
think.
That's
so
important
and
I
wonder
if
we
are
only
going
to
do
a
mile
or
two
you
know:
can
we
look
at
the
map
of
the
existing
Green
Bay
is?
Can
we
you
know
and
figure
out?
Where
is
that
mile
or
two
that
would
create
the
most
of
the
book
in
terms
of
your
connectivity
to
actually
allow
people
to
commute
to
move?
H
Are
we
are
we
talking
about
the
multimodal
infrastructure
here
at
or
before,
when
we
talk
about
these
Greenway
projects,
because
I
think
about
like
bike
lanes
and
stuff
like
that
as
sort
of
a
different
category
of
stuff?
And
what
we're
talking
about
right
now,
but
are
they?
Are
they
different
or
is
that
a
part
of
this
process
too?
Because
because
we
could
probably
build
a
lot
of
bike
links
and
stuff
really
fast
and
cheaper
than
3.5
million
bucks,
a
mile
right.
G
Yeah
I
mean
We've
traditionally
been
thinking
about
this
as
kind
of
that
multi-use
path,
that's
separated
from
automobiles,
yeah
I
mean
yeah,
so
I
mean
within
the
nto,
and
the
step
I
mean
there's
projects
that
have
both
actually
there's
projects
that
are
that
separated
path,
but
then
there's
also
projects
that
are
bike.
Lanes
cycle
tracks
and
stuff
like
that.
G
G
D
And
then
the
other
thing
I
think
that's
important
to
remember
is
that
Parks
and
Rec
is
beginning
their
master
plan
process
that
will
likely
take
18
months
to
two
years.
This
likely
won't
come
to
fruition
until
2026,
because
of
finishing
those
other
ones.
So
by
then
the
master
plan
may
be
able
to
influence
the
projects
better
to
get
to
what
you're
speaking
about
you
know
about
like
connectivity
like
what
is
the
existing,
what
could
what
would
be
the
biggest
bang
for
your
buck
on
a
mile?
H
I
guess
just
like
the
news,
these
questions
I
wonder
that
is
this
process.
We're
really
kind
of
asking
the
question
like
how
do
we
make
Buncombe
County
more
bicycle
into
pedestrian,
safe
to
be
safe,
I
think
that's
a
great
question
I
when
we
think
about
like
let's
plan,
let's
go
play
in
some
Greenway
now
I,
don't
feel
like
that
is
I
feel
like
it's
kind
of
part
of
the
discussion,
but
I
don't
feel
like
that's
the
primaries
Focus.
H
If
we
were
saying
like
how
do
you
make
or
bicycle
and
pedestrian
safety,
it
would
be
a
different
set
of
things
that
would
like
to
be
emerging
than
what
I
think
is
going
to
emerge
through
this.
How
do
we
allocate
Greenway
bond
fund
profits?
It's
just
my
feeling,
but
I
don't
know
if
I'm
right
about
that
I
think
that's
a.
B
Good
question
is
like
what
is
the
ultimate
goal
in
like
if
you
use
different
facilities
for
different
purposes
and
so
is
connect
when
I
see
connectivity,
I,
think
of
a
little
connectivity,
but
I
also
see
jobs,
connectivity
I,
see
Transit
connectivity,
I
see
other
stuff,
and
so
right
now.
This
tells
me
all
of
the
things
it
makes
me
wonder
if
I
was
on
that
criteria
and
one
day,
there's
a
lot
more
money
and
it's
harder
than
which
mile.
B
And
so,
if
it's,
if
it's
more
a
facility,
a
recreation
and
health
that
looks
really
different
versus
if
it
is
for
transportation
and
I,
think
right
now,
this
leaves
it
really
open
and
it's
your
first
mile
or
two.
So
that's
probably
sufficient.
But
it
does
make
me
wonder
when
I
see
it's
like
older
and
surrounding
County.
B
At
some
point
they
had
a
crisp
Vision
that
they
wanted
lots
of
their
infrastructure
to
be
for
transportation
purposes
are
part
of
that,
and
so
it
just
makes
me
wonder
like
what
is
the
ultimate
Vision,
because
it'll
take
20
years
to
close
networks.
But
if
that's
not
part
of
the
play,
then
that
doesn't
matter
as
much
so
I
think
this
is
open
and
appropriate
at
the
beginning,
but
I
wish
in
Asheville.
A
It
depends
on
where
so
we
could
fund
and
build
a
Greenway
that
follows
the
first
Broad
and
safely
pardon
that
would
be
a
destination
that
people
in
person
tries,
and
that
would
be
great
if
you're
standing
on
it.
The
infrastructure
is
going
to
look
the
same
as
a
Greenway
that
say
I
think
dot
is
the
promise
of
the
desperate
that
they
need
to
follow
by
241
I
mean
that's
a
mode
shifting
Construction,
it's
probably
going
to
get
addicted.
You
could
interior
get
funded
the
same
way.
It
would
look
physically
the
same.
H
My
last
two
steps
on
this
I
tell
you
what
the
partner
said.
If
I
have
the
chiefs,
I
would
like
to
see
the
most
shipping
ones
too,
as
the
primary,
but
a
lot
of
most
of
the
agreements
we
have
in
the
community
right
now
are
kind
of
War.
Recreational
and
they're
hugely
popular
I
mean
the
ones
that
have
been
built
are
displayed
hugely
popular
right,
so
you
can
build
more
stuff
like
that
too.
The
community
will
certainly
love
it.
The.
H
Since
2012.
we've
been
talking
about
building
within
green
waves,
the
very
first
year
I've
been
here,
Ten
Years,
Later
that
we
have
not
done
you
know
still
over
planning
process.
So
to
me
it's
like
which
of
these
projects
can
get
built
in
the
next
one
to
three
years,
like
that's,
I
would
say
zero.
Well,
it's
been
one
to
five
years
right,
because
we
talk
about
this
stuff.
Yeah,
nothing
ever
happens
and
the
best
thing
that
we
could
do
for
the
future
of
Greenways
and
all
this
other
infrastructure
is
to
actually
get
projects
done.
H
The
costs
there's
just
sort
of
a
belief
that,
like
it's
too
complicated
for
us
to
a
lot
right,
so
just
projects
that
can
actually
get
done
and
and
and
which
don't
cost,
even
if
they
cost
3
million
people
great
if
they
don't
cost
five
I.
Think
in
this
part
of
the
world,
where
we
have
now
listen
photography
like
the
costs,
the
projects
are
going
to
be
a
wide
variety
of
possible
projects.
Right,
some
of
their
products
can
still
get
done
for
a
million
dollars
a
month.
Others
will
cost
five
or
six
or
seven
million
miles.
H
So
I
think
we
do
have
to
be
the
use
of
taxpayer
money,
like
figuring
out
where
we
can
get
projects
done,
that
are
that
are
cost
effective
their
costs.
At
the
end
of
the
day
like
this
community's
got
so
many
different
priorities,
we
can't
be
what
else
to
spend
it
20
million
dollars
on
one
project
right
like
that's
just
that
was
a
work
right,
so
I
think
we
should
be
looking
for
cost-effective
projects
that
can
actually
get
done.
C
B
But
that
time
also
gives
us
the
opportunity
to
work
with
potential
applicants,
as
well
as
Community
Partners,
to
understand
what
other
projects
are
out
there.
What
might
be
possible
to
make
sure
their
applications
are
ready
for
that
application
window,
and
we
wanted
to
be
able
to
get
this
evaluation
criteria
complete
now.
So
they
have
an
idea
of
what
we're
looking
for.
E
B
H
It
feels
like
is
there
not?
Let
me
just
ask
this:
like:
do
the
staff
not
have
some
ideas
about
like
we're
talking
about
five
million
dollars
like
if
we
just
saved?
What
did
you
all
think
we
should
participate
like?
Are
there
not
some
projects?
In
my
meeting,
like
you
know
your
vehicle
on
great
projects,
we
could
go,
get
done.
Did
we
the
process
just
almost
feel
like
a
little
bit
like
Overkill,
so
I
think.
E
You
know
I
think
our
goal
is
to
make
sure
we're
incorporating
Community
input,
and
so
that's
why
we're
going
through
this
process,
but
you
know
obviously
with
the
the
first
two
projects
that
would
have
been
you
all
just
said.
This
is
what
we
want
to
do,
and
that
is
your
prerogative
if
you
just
want
to
pick
a
project
and
do
it
that.
B
B
B
D
D
B
G
So
when
they're
actually
doing
redoing
that
section
of
251,
Riverside,
Drive,
there's
actually
already
some
money
set
aside
for
a
conductor
along
there,
and
then
I'm
told
that
there's
also
a
connector
that
may
actually
have
along
the
river
itself.
So
the
NCT
OT
project
would
be
a
pat
that
would
be
more
closely
associated
with
the
road.
What
exactly
that
looks
like
is
still
being
worked
out.
Yeah,
I'm,
saying
sliding
and
just
like
redesign
slash,
reorganize,
the
right
of
way.
It's
more
good
stuff.
H
B
H
H
Us
were
here
right,
a
very
local
show
for
it.
So
just
the
idea
like,
let's
go,
do
it?
Let's
go.
Do
a
Greenway
planning
process,
it's
like.
If
there
are
projects
we
could
actually
just
take
these
funds
that
voters
and
build
some
new
projects.
I
honestly
think
that's
what
the
community
wants
us
to
do.
So
if
there
are
such
projects,
I
would
love
to
kind
of
look
at
that
list
of
like.
Are
there
some
things
we
already
know?
You
know
based
on
past
public
input,
then
I'd
love
to
look
at
that.
If.
H
E
C
H
I
mean
just
one
other
one
other
like
like
Marcel
throw
out
I
mean
I,
don't
know
how
to
score
and
discuss
pouring
Right
theory
process,
but
we
do
have
like
we
are
going
through
a
public
play
process
right
like
on
the
Ferry
Road,
County
and
property
right,
which
is
a
whole
bunch
of
property.
On
the
first
program
that
the
county
already
owns
and
that
there's
you
know
we
want
it.
It's
beautiful
like
we
want
to
create
trails
and
Public
Access.
Where
people
go
out
there,
it
would
be
a
purely
recreational
project.
H
There's
no
Transportation
functionality
to
it
all,
but
that
there's
is
there
any
current.
Is
there
currently
any
funding
to
implement
a
project
out
there
once
we've
kind
of
gone
through
our
planning
process?
For
us
it
does
seem
like
one
where,
like
we
already
own
this
land
there's
needed.
It's
amazing,
so
I
would
I
just
wonder
if
some
funding
or
I
don't
know
just
I,
guess
I
always
thought
like.
Maybe
some
funding
would
go
there,
so
I
guess
the
question
is
like:
how
does
that
fit
in?
H
H
H
C
E
B
B
It
could
be
like
other,
like
having
capacity
to
take
money
and
construct
something
that
there's
something
on
this
level
of
infrastructure.
Okay,
that
makes
sense.
I
mean
this
process
will
allow
us
to
weigh
projects
that
we
have
in
the
hopper,
with
some
within
the
Woodfin
might
suggest,
and
then
we
can
compare
them
to
the
time
that
we
get
the
projects
back
in
together
and
say
well,
this
one
does
meet
more
of
the
criteria.
H
H
E
H
G
Those
those
projects
are
in
kind
of
varying
stages,
kind
of
when
I
started
here,
I
kind
of
took
over
the
project
management
of
those
particular
projects,
the
Woodson
project
in
particular.
We
were
actually
asked
to
separate
into
two
separate
projects,
so
that
has
kind
of
caused
some
delays.
Even
since
I've
been
here
there's
probably
the
separation
of
those
projects
has
been
approved
by
ncdot.
So
right
now,
Highway
251
section
and
that's
kind
of
the
section
of
the
Whip
and
green
made.
G
G
B
J
B
A
J
Waste
collections,
contract
started
January
1st
of
2020.
So
based
on
the
contract,
is
was
five
years
five
years
and
built
into
that
contract
that
we
have
approved
and
executed.
Our
two
two-year
expansion
options,
like
I,
said:
that's
weekly
trash
and
every
other
week
recycling.
This
is
a
subscription-based
program.
We've
talked
about
numbers
around
thirty
four
thousand
household
sign
up
for
that
service.
Now,
where
there's
around
55
000
or
so
same
thing
now
so.
J
J
So,
as
I
mentioned,
there
were
extension
options
built
into
the
contract
that
was
executed,
that
the
first
one
would
extended
two
years
and
then
there's
an
additional
two
years
talking
through
with
legal
and
getting
some
advice.
There
is
the
possibility
of
considering
a
going
and
doing
both
the
extensions
at
one
time
not
saying
we
advocate
for
that
I'm.
Just
saying
that
is
what
I
understand
is
an
option
to
say:
let's
do
both
and
that
defensively
extends
it
forward.
J
Your
capacity-based
term,
so
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that
was
through
aware-
and
it's
always
always
an
option
to
see
companion
appears
release
services.
That
is
a
huge
undertaking.
I
think
a
lot
of
us
remember
what
it
was
like
just
look.
Westbrook
was
already
a
provider
but
moving
to
the
park-based
collection.
That
was
a
major
process
and
those
carts
those
assets.
They
are
waste
Pros,
so
around
64
000
carts
in
the
field.
J
Those
are
waste,
Pro's
assets,
so
you've
seen
in
other
markets
where
a
new
contractor
comes
in
and
they
do
some
type
of
agreement
with
the
current
providers.
They
want
to
buy
those
cars
from
you
and
slap
some
stickers
on
some
of
that
effect.
But
that's
that's
a
substantial
hurdle
so
think
about
that
process.
That's
trucks,
that's
people,
the
best
facility
figuring
out
how
a
new
contractor
positions
themselves
at
the
earliest
we
want
to
look
to
go
out
to
bed
would
be
beginning
of
next
year
and
I
would
like
to
push
Stephen
Urban.
J
If
that's
the
direction,
we're
going
and
also
talk
about
the
extensions
we
would
need
to
know
to
buy
a
Waste
Pro,
Buncombe
County
is
going
to
go
ahead
and
move
forward
with
the
extensions
we
would
want
to
do
that
by
August
to
comply
with
the
terms
of
the
contract,
and
that's
really
just
saying:
hey,
Waste
Pro
we're
going
to
do
the
extension
pass.
The
base
term.
F
So
we've
done
a
lot
of
surveys
with
Waste
Pro
in
the
past,
but
we
figured
because
this
decision
is
coming
up
so
soon
very
well.
We
wanted
to
give
you
edit
the
Public's
view
of
not
only
their
current
satisfaction
with
Waste
Pro
but
kind
of
whether
what
they
feel
as
far
as
contract
extension
or,
if
a
renegotiation
or
to
take
places.
What
services
would
you
like
to
add
to
it,
and
we
got
1300
replies
because
people
love
talking
about
it.
F
We
divided
it
up
between
three
different
surveys:
current
Waste
Pro
customers,
former
Waste
Pro
customers
and
customers,
who
have
always
been
eligible
for
Waste
growth.
We
just
never
subscribed
to
it
because
we
wanted
to
delineate
between
the
three
and
not
have
them
all
take
the
same
survey,
because
it
could
lead
to
bias,
because
if
you
reform
or
Race
Pro
customer,
you
probably
weren't
real,
but
you
know
so
either
way.
So
the
current
customer
results
we
had
next
slide.
We
had
1229
and
basically
we
asked.
F
F
Well
then,
we
specifically
asked:
should
Buncombe
County
look
for
a
new
curbside
provider,
go
through
an
RFP
should
we
extend
or
renegotiate
and
585
said
we
should
look
for
a
new
provider
code
for
RFP
at
522
said
extend
the
current
contract.
142
did
not
respond,
however.
The
important
part
of
that
question
is
when
we
ask
people
did
you
want
to
extend
or
renegotiate
the
current
contract?
We
asked
what
different
services
or
what
kind
of
changes
would
you
like
to
make
to
the
contract
and
that's
on
the
next
slide.
F
Most
people
wanted
weekly
recycling
picks
up
because
it's
every
other
week
now
a
lot
of
people
wanted
composting
and
yard
waste
pickup,
and
there
were
a
lot
of
basically
get
rid
of
word
cloud.
1000
comments
associated
with
this
one's
not
mentioned
here
is
obviously
cost
cost
would
be
the
big
one,
because
the
cost
of
Waste
Pro
is
a
big
complaint
to
a
lot
of
people.
But
basically
these
are
the
these
are
what
services
they
would
like
renegotiated.
F
A
D
B
F
The
better
thing
is
in
two
different
categories:
one
is
that
you
leave
the
card
out
and,
like
the
bear,
cart
just
will
protect
the
trash.
The
Bears
are
good
because
they're
Bears
and
the
second
one
is
that
the
they
think
they're
going
to
come
earlier
in
the
day,
so
they
take
the
carts
out
when
they
think
they're
going
to
come
out.
So
it's
not
waiting
out
there
for
bears,
and
then
they
don't
come
when
they're
supposed
to
come
and
then
the
Bears
or
bears
and
they
get
into
it.
J
C
J
Bear
wise,
that's
that's
something
I
feel
like
we
do
conditional
collaboration
on
them.
I
know:
Waste
Pro.
Authors
are
very
resistant,
nothing
better
proof,
better!
Very
resistant
cars,
so
yeah
they're,
expensive
I,
mean
they're
around
350.
If
a
subscriber
wanted
to
buy
that,
but
we
negotiated
to
start
the
contract
like,
what's
a
little
little
bit
smaller
to
buy
it.
So
you
can
lease
those
yeah
like
9.50
a
month,
but.
C
F
F
No,
the
other
survey
results.
We
put
the
appendix
that's
for
the
former
Waste
Pro
customers
and
the
people
who
never
have
never
got
it
and
why
they
didn't,
and
we
can
send
you
that
PowerPoint.
If
you
want
to
see
it,
the
people
who
were
former
customers
are
the
girl
and
15
said
they
would
be
willing
to
go
back.
Go
to
police
Pro.
F
J
So
we
did
see
that
reflected
in
comments.
Thank
you
yeah,
so
contractor
performance.
Talking
about
you
know
consolidating
some
of
the
feedback
we've
gotten
as
far
as
normal
complaints
service
issues
in
the
field
since
the
start
of
January
2020.
So
we
in
Buncombe,
County,
Solid,
Waste
Department,
have
received
587
complaints
like
I,
said
since
started
the
contract
when
you
think
about
company
starters
have
been
performing
that
time
frame.
J
J
B
J
D
J
Well,
it
does
because,
if
we're
extending
the
Tom
brokes
they're
they're
their
base
term,
so
I
think
it
gives
us
time
to
have
the
conversation
on
we
want
to
negotiate.
Weekly
recycling
is
going
to
be
more
expensive.
I
can
just
say
that
about
now.
It's
more
Service
events
there's
things
to
consider
too,
but
people
are
setting
their
waste
and
recycle
cars
out
one
week,
they're
not
having
set
all
those
cars
out
the
bottle
so
that
there's
things
to
Think
Through
on
that
there's.
J
J
J
Well,
because,
when
you're
in
a
contract
with
a
man
like
for
the
weekly
trash
area,
wink
recycling,
so
you
know
if
we
work
on
that
the
East
West
says:
okay,
we
can
shift
to
weekly
recycling
here's
what
that
number
will
look
like.
We
would
really
have
to
go
to
the
board
to
get
approval
to
make
that
type
of
modification.
But
I
can
say
it's
trying
to
work
that
together
in
a
two
okay,
it's
abstention,
but
here's
the
changes,
we're
looking
to
make
with
the
extended
extended
services.
B
D
H
J
E
H
County
option:
we
have
an
option
to
extend
it,
so
they
don't
have
a
chance
to
say
no
thanks.
It's
been
great,
okay
and
so
you're
you're
s.
Your
sense
is
that,
if
sounds
are
going
to
be
out,
hey,
let's
go
out
there.
Let's
see
what
anybody
out
there
could
offer
us,
let's
get
all
the
different
ideas
and
all
the
different
vids.
H
If
we
do
that,
then
waste
program
rebid
too,
and
so
your
crystal
ball
is
telling
you
for
all
of
the
things
that
people
haven't
been
totally
happy
with
about
this.
That
this
is
the
best
deal.
We're
gonna
get
over
the
next
two
to
four
years,
so
better
to
keep
it
locked
in.
Maybe
look
at
tweaking
at
some
rather
than
reopening
it
up.
J
Yes,
sir
yeah,
and
it's
interesting
too,
when
you
look
at
the
bid,
we
did
last
time.
Westport
was
only
responsive
there.
We
did
have
somebody
else
turn
in
a
bit
that
was
only
half
of
the
criteria
on
the
RFB
that
was
saying
take
which
is
now
Republic.
They
bought
them
out,
but
Waste
Pro
is
just
now
getting
close
to
where
their
base
mid.
If
we
just
went
cars
on
them,
that
was
the
only
thing
they
did.
H
C
J
Think
we
could
do
a
little
more
work
on
that,
commissioner,
we
can
do
a
small
person.
I
do
I,
can
think
of
something
right
off
top
of
my
head,
like
in
the
Charlotte
area,
which
is
interesting,
a
little
simpler
layout
to
get
to
people
and
they're
they're
very
similar
to
their
subscription
already,
because
I
know
they're
director
down
there
so
we'll
dive
into
that
a
little
bit
deeper.
B
B
C
C
H
I
mean
based
on
the
information
that
you
know
we
have
now
I
mean
I
would
say
you
know
that,
focusing
on
extending
for
a
contract,
maybe
a
little
different
ways
to
tweak
it
or
agreement
things
like
that,
as
the
primary
focus
does
seem
like
the
most
yeah
I
mean
it's
just
like
the
world.
It's
just
like
it
is
that
the
idea
of
like
opening
it
up
like
it
just
says
it
doesn't
intuitively
feel
like
this
is
going
to
be
the
moment
where
we
get
an
awesome
deals.
Just
nothing
like
nothing
would
feel
that
way.
B
J
J
He
is
trying
to
transition
to
maybe
a
four
day
work
week
we
have
seen
historically,
it
seems
like
the
snow's
always
hit
on
Friday
and
Weaverville,
our
Friday
collection,
folks
or
Saturday,
or
if
you
can
get
some
for
holidays
disruption,
gives
you
a
wonderful
day
of
the
week
and
that's
why
the
city
basketball
operates.
Do
is
a
four-day
collection
week.
So
those
are
things
we're
talking
through
too.
Hopefully
that
would
make
service
better.
J
C
J
A
A
B
B
I
All
right
so
energy,
storage
and
electrification
study
for
County
facilities,
but
that's
exactly
what
it
sounds
like
and
it's
it's
based
on.
Actually
a
lot
of
feedback
from
this
group
Terry
mentioned
on
a
number
of
occasions,
you're
interested
in
energy
storage
worker
youth
brought
this
group
some
potential
like
draft
language
on
building
modification
yeah,
so
yeah.
This
really
was
many
many
months
of
sort
of
taking
trying
to
read
a
few
weeks
with
this
group
and
saying,
like
there's
a
clear
interest
in
these
two
topics.
I
I
I
I
So
this
this
movie
kind
of
split
into
two
topics:
right:
we're
going
to
talk:
boundary
storage,
first,
I'm,
going
to
talk
aboutification
a
second
well.
The
study
itself
I'd
like
to
examine
that
message
through
sort
of
individual
battery
storage
will
take
hopefully
less
time
because
frankly,
I
was
very,
very
happy.
Pleasantly
surprised
at
the
economics
of
battery
storage
and
I
think
you
will
be
too
even
during
the
course
of
doing
this
analysis.
I
The
costs
of
battery
storage
have
continued
to
come
down,
and
so
some
of
these
projects
are
pretty
amazing,
but
for
the
benefit
of
those
who
are
either
in
the
room
or
could
potentially
be
watching
online
now
I
wanted
to
make
sure
we
set
the
table
just
to
understand
what
is
bad
restored
right?
It's
really
big
batteries.
It's
like!
What's
in
your
phone,
only
it
can
be
the
size
of
a
walk-in
closet
right.
I
So
there's
a
ton
of
potential
benefits
to
adding
energy
storage
demand
charge
savings
are
a
pretty
obvious
one
Peak
reduction
and
Peak
shifting,
which
can
lead
to
then
energy
Arbitrage,
and
what
that
really
means
is
like
you're
you're,
reducing
your
Peak
at
one
time
a
day
and
you're
paying
for
electricity
when
it's
cheaper
at
other
times
a
day
and
then,
of
course,
solar
export
production
which
wouldn't
qualify
for
all
of
our
facilities.
But
where
we
have
done
PB
a
library
would
be
a
great
example.
I
I
think
if
you
want
to
think
of
Western,
Library
I
think
you
do,
and
you
know
that's
a
system
we're
like.
In
the
middle
of
the
day,
that
system
is
likely
over
producing
right,
big
sunny
day
in
May.
It's
creating
a
lot
more
energy
and
it's
necessary
to
sending
that
Tennessee
to
the
grid,
which
means
we're
given
do
that
energy
and
getting.
I
That's
a
good
thing,
but
it
would
allow
us
to
keep
that
in-house
and
use
it
when
we
beat
it
to
reduce
the
consumption
produce,
charges
and
various
things.
That's
kind
of
what
solar
export
reduction
potentially
is
building
electric
station
building
beneficial
electrocation
building
decarbonization.
A
lot
of
those
terms
are
kind
of
used
interchangeably
with
people.
You
gotta
pick
one
yeah,
that's
bigger.
I
And
essentially
that's
exactly
it
is
what
it
sounds
like
right:
it's
a
shift
to
using
electricity
rather
than
burning
fossil
fuels.
For
your
you
know,
meeting
your
energy
needs
and
again
there's
more
to
that,
but
we'll
talk
about
that,
but
so
just
a
little
bit
of
the
methodology.
So
you
understand
what
we
did.
Obviously
we
go
out
to
all
these
sites.
I
We
confirm
the
current
equipment
equipment
sizing,
the
layout
potential
space
limitations,
Etc
analyzing
utilities,
National
Gas
electricity,
determining
the
increased
load
requirements
needed
if
we
were
to
fuel,
switch
right,
stop
using
gas
and
you're
going
to
be
using
more
electricity.
Those
load
requirements
be
Energy,
System,
right
sizing
and
the
impacts
of
that
right-sizing.
The
batteries
is
a
the
challenge,
can
be
a
challenge
based
on
the
the
energy
needs
of
that
facility
and
then
identify
some
cool,
switching
opportunities
and
storage
opportunities,
and
then
what
are
the
financial
and
energy
impact
of
that
right?
I
I
Our
own
stuff,
and
then
things
like
rate
of
return,
that
was
a
value,
simple
payback.
We
want
to
know
what
the
impacts
of
like
making
that
transition
would
be
both
with
and
without
incentives
that
I
keep
hearing
about,
but
I
haven't
seen
and
we
are
still
waiting
on
guidance
for
most
of
the
Financial.
I
Benefits
of
the
IRA
seem
really
attractive
to
potentially
make
these
even
more
financially
distracted,
but
we
kind
of
ran
the
scenario
for
both
because
again
we're
not
with
Zach
this
year,
what's
going
to
qualify
and
what's
not
and
I
can't
find
them.
For
example,
a
battery
made
in
America
goodbye
right
like
so
there
are.
There
are
challenges
there
in
terms
of
the
related
to.
I
I
Here,
I
think
this
see
that
it's
pretty
cool.
So
this
is
one
of
the
things
we
do
in
sort
of
what
I
was
talking
about
right,
size
and
Battery
system
kind
of
toggle
back
and
forth
between
different
battery
sizes
to
understand
how
to
maximize
the
utilization
of
that
battery,
so
that
Target,
you
see
on
the
left.
There
is
number
of
days
per
year
that
the
battery
is
being
maximized
to
800
right
and,
in
this
particular
case
you're
getting
300
days
of
the
year.
We're
maximizing
the
use
of
that
battery.
I
I
Light
blue
is
what
battery
storage
does
to
that
command
and
you
can
see
there's
a
precipitous
drop
right.
The
green
is
the
solar
and
the
yellow
is
the
battery
storage
right
again
without
getting
too
nerdy
to
the
end
of
the
Weeds
on
it.
The
point
here
is,
you
see,
Max
Peak
demand
drop,
but
you
see
the
overall
demand
significantly
come
down
during
those
hours
between
you
know.
6
a.m
and
6.
I
H
I
C
I
C
C
A
H
H
When
you
use
the
batteries,
when
are
you
shifting
you're
absorbing
some
of
the
power,
the
power
to
be
used
elsewhere
like
when?
Are
you
shifting
it
to?
Are
you
shifting
it
I
guess
the
Yellow
Part,
the
yellow
part,
is
the
battery,
what
you're
doing
for
the
battery
you're
drawing
some
down
and
then
releasing
it?
That's.
I
I
To
take
well,
the
peak
drops
yeah
yeah,
but
if
you
look
okay
again,
I'm
sorry
that
I
do
this
to
people,
because
this
is
super
nerdy
not
hard,
but
life
groups.
You
know
the
dark.
Blue
is
just
business
as
usual.
Today,
yeah
right,
the
light
blue
is,
if
we
add
energy
storage,
that's
how
much
of
the
demand
was
shaving
off.
So
all
of
that
dark
blue
that
you
see.
This
goes
away
right.
B
D
B
I
A
It's
really
hard
to
I
think
what's
happening
is,
coincidentally,
is
the
the
peak
of
the
solar.
The
midday
is
overlapping
with
the
peak
of
the
demanded
the
building
impressive,
so
those
curves
are
kind
of
overlapping,
a
little
bit
and
you're
coming
out
together.
The
storage
is
not
getting
off
the
top
off
the
peak
and
expanded
the
shoulders
reps
of
the.
I
A
I
Every
facility
is
a
little
different
right.
Tariff
might
be
a
little
different.
The
size
of
the
the
consumption
might
be
a
little
different.
The
size
of
the
PB
system
is
probably
right
in
this.
This
particular
instance
the
Health
and
Human
Services
building
department
garage
around
the
same
year.
So
it's
one
giant
facility.
That's
a
canopy
system
going
in
right.
That
is,
for
the
whole
facility.
So
it's
pretty
pretty
sizable
yeah.
You
know
PV
system,
not
every
rooftop
like
that
right.
So
this
one
is
that
is
my
best.
This
is
the
best
one.
I
Yeah
I've
got
to
give
you
my
best
up
front,
but
one
of
the
things
we
did
with
this
I
wanna,
so
I
want
to
take
you
guys
to
a
dashboard
that
we're
building,
because
this
is
so
much
data.
It's
a
it's
a
lot
right,
it's
hard
for
anybody!
It's
all
based
on
this
gigantic
matrix,
it's
just
basically
a
spreadsheet!
It
will
make
your
eyes
look.
Awesome.
I
I
do
want
to
show
you
guys
reporting
on
a
dashboard
that
hopefully
makes
this
a
little
easier
by
to
see
and
kind
of
understand
so
This
Is
Us,
building
on
a
dashboard
here
gives
us
all
of
this
financial
information.
So
if
we
want
to
look
at
updates
here
so
I'm
going
to
pull
up
my
services
available,
AP
transfer
station
I
do
want
caveat
we're
still
working
on
this
dashboard,
so
there's
not
fully
complete.
So
there's
a
bit
of
data
missing
here
and
there.
I
So
this
dashboard
about
to
pull
up
the
transfer
station
will
tell
me
all
right.
I
got
one
building
here.
It's
got
a
PV
system,
the
size
of
the
PV
system,
the
energy
offset
of
that
baby
system.
If
we
were
to
go
with
storage,
which
is
what
I
have
this
set
to
right
now,
it
would
be
done
that
cost
of
about
forty
thousand
dollars
if
nonsense
would
have
a
payback
of
around
three
years
and
then
this
was
what
it
would
look
like
if
that
30
again
I,
don't
know
for
sure.
A
I
I
I
I
Abuse
rates
like
the
U.S
I
mean
it
depends
on
the
building.
Yes,
yeah
I'll
tell
you
one
thing
and
I
don't
want
to
get
off
topic,
but
one
of
the
things
that
this
whole
thing
is
so
brought
up
for
us
is
totally
re-evaluating
our
terrific
structures
like
based
on
the
fact
that
we
have
people
on
sites
now
and
that
new
problem
should
be
shifting
to
like
again
time
abuse
is
probably
not
the
best
in
most
cases,
but
for
us
now,
the
solar,
potentially
the
storage.
It's
not
gonna
use
that
small
fund
right.
B
I
I
You
know
when
we
first
started
the
process
we
were
getting
quotes
at
around
900
kmuh
installed.
You
know
again,
as
he
says,
returned
that's
already
down
to
750.
and
that's
just
during
the
process
of
the
study
right
from
the
same
pattern.
So
we're
seeing
rates
come
down
to
a
point
where
in
it
it's
it's
a
no-brainer
to
do
some
of
this
product
about.
I
Industry
standard
is
about
a
10-year
warranty
right,
so
we
think
about
that
a
lot
anything
you
possibly
if
the
payback
on
it
is
way
past
the
end
life
of
the
thing.
Well,
yeah,
that's
a
pretty
tough
sell,
but
when
you
can
get
something
that
again,
if
you
get
incentives,
it
pays
for
itself
in
two
years
from
yeah.
I
That
would
just
be
in
the
first
year:
okay,
but
with
utility
escalators,
that's
only
got
in
the
club
and
that
each
of
these
buildings
has
a
full
like
20,
Page
analysis
yeah.
But
if
you
really
want
to
read
that
go
for
it,
if
I
wanted
to
keep
it
simple
for
everybody.
That
discusses
like
what
what
we
sort
of
estimate.
It's
like
an
actual
escalator
for
utility
costs
and
as.
B
I
I
Delivered
right
so
anyway,
I
wanted
to
show
you
this
dashboard,
because
I'm,
a
private
I,
don't
think
it's
cool
you
should
be,
but
it
is
still
kind
of
in
the
work.
So
we've
got
some
tweets
to
make
to
it,
but
we
do
want
to
make
this
available
for
everything
if
you
guys,
so
it's
all
rude
and
play
with
them.
I
Know
it
wasn't,
became
a
creep
I
mean
that's
the
contract,
we're
using
to
do
a
lot
of
analysis.
It
was
troes
that
are
manufacturer.
We
did
get
multiple
quotes
from
them,
but
they
were
by
far
good
company
to
our
opposing
t-r-o-e-s
trose.
Okay,
I
can
send
you
over
the
all
the
details
trying
to
keep
it
yeah
yeah,
not
super
yeah,
confusing.
C
I
Again,
just
to
show
you
like
how
cost
effective
this
could
potentially,
so
these
buildings
were
the
five
that
sort
of
stood
out
to
me.
There
are
some
that
were
probably
a
little
better
in
terms
of
like
Payback,
but
I
was
thinking
Bank.
You
know,
High
usage
facilities
that
are,
you
know,
really
big
lots
of
square
footage.
Etc.
I
H
H
I
I
I
A
C
B
C
I
B
I
Think
that's
a
good
way
to
say
it.
You
could
take
one
of
these
studies
and
very
much
like
oversized
the
battery,
because
these
are
optimized.
These
batteries
are
optimized
to
maximize
payback
and
reduced
demand
charges
all
of
those
types
of
things.
It's
really
about
the
financial
stuff
right,
the
resilience
piece.
So,
for
example,
we
did
like
a
quick
analysis
at
the
public
safety
training.
So
how
could
you
run
this
building
on
this
battery?
I
For
how
long
two
out,
you
know
it's
not
enough
of
a
piece
that
it
was
worth
really
either
bringing
into
this
study.
Information
I
explained
to
the
question
answered
it,
but
it's
it's
not
it's
not
the
purpose.
These
batteries
are
not
for
resilience.
They
are
for
maximizing
Investments
and
reducing
our
energy
consumption
of
costs
as
much
as
human
as
possible.
So.
C
B
C
I
I
And
you
start
with
Community
engagement.
You
can
pick
that
site
carefully.
You
know,
there's
a
lot
more,
that
we're
going
to
like
building
and
it's
I
would
say
that
emergency
shelter,
for
example,
right
a
different
scenario:
I,
don't
know
that
too
many
of
our
places
would
fit
that,
but
we'll
just
based
on
where
they
are
some
of
the
librarian
lines.
I
always
start
looking
at
schools,
yeah
middle
schools
and
high
schools,
especially
they
have
kitchens
they
have
showers,
they
have
lots
of
rooms
they
have
already
identify.
This
is.
H
B
C
H
I
I
I
Electrification
results
basically
blew
all
of
the
economics
out
right.
It's
not
huge
huge
surprise.
Most
of
these
facilities
were
simply
not
designed
to
be
electric
and
would
require
main
upgrades.
In
addition,
the
other
part
of
that
is
that,
like
electrifying,
everything
which
is
a
big
sort
of
phrase
right
now,
but
by
everything,
when
only
80
of
our
current
generation
is
actually
actually
run,
Renewables
isn't
as
effective
as
it
sounds
today
and
that's
something.
I
Nothing
is
specific:
oh
that's,
okay,
just
just
overall
virtually
every
building.
You
know
that
that
wasn't
already
a
black
fragrance,
the
the
costs
simply
outweigh
everything
else
right
to
retrofit
the
book
yeah
yeah
and
in
some
cases
it
was
just
physically
impossible.
This
building
wasn't
like
millions
of
developers,
three
million
dollars-
it's
I
mean
it's
just
not
go
before.
It
wasn't
a
sign
that
way
everything
that
said
it
doesn't
mean
that
we
don't
start
evaluating
what
our
policies.
I
I
Is
the
financial
responsible
thing
to
do
to
pull
that
out
and
replace
it
now
versus
Witnesses
for
what
or
closer
to
it,
whether
it'll
last
forever,
but
so
I
see
there
I
see
there
being
opportunities
right.
Our
current
building
policy,
that
is
clean
gold
if
it's
over
to
a
thousand
square
feet,
but
that
current
policy
doesn't
say
electrical,
it
doesn't
say
no
to
get
it
doesn't
say
you
know
it
just
doesn't
require
a
student,
oh,
but
you
can
still
have
gas
and
big
gold.
I
So
my
I
guess
my
challenge
to
this
group
or
My
Hope
for
this
week
is
80
Seconds
of
discussion
on.
If
we
were
to
change
the
policy,
if
we
were
to
adoptables
what
would
those
book
one?
Would
it?
Let
me
just
call
out
WS
period
and
a
story
or
any
new
construction,
but
we
say
that
upon
an
useful
life
of
any
equipment,
we're
going
to
do
a
life
cycle.
Cost
analysis
present.
I
A
I
I
C
I
I
Replace
yeah
and
in
some
cases,
is
actually
not
that
bad.
So,
for
example,
it's
a
fairly
new
building
yeah,
but
the
MEP
upgrades
for
that
were
not
that
expensive
or
something
like
that.
But
it's
all
fairly
new
equipment
too.
It's
a
big
milk.
Okay,
so
like
is
that
responsible,
yeah.
Those
are
the
questions
that
we
have
to
answer
them.
Is
it
responsible
to
get
a
brand
building
right
with
an
electrical
equipment.
I
I
E
I
Does
not
say
solar
installed,
it's
a
question
or
recovery:
okay,
okay
yeah!
So
you
know
it
might
makes
a
good
point
and
you
know
I
don't
want
to
call
any
part
now
but,
like
you
know,
this
policy
hasn't
been
in
place
for
a
very
long
time,
we're
already
seeing
departments
that
are
like
well,
you
know
getting
to
think
first
cost
I
like
to
think
we're
going
to
own
a
building
for
50
years.
I
So
today
you
know
is
not
as
important
as
like
what
is
the
cost
of
this
building
supply
right
and
we
do
still
have
to
get
out
of
that
mindset
because
we
have
importance
going
like
well.
Can
we
build
this
to
like
slightly
under
10
000
square
feet
so
that
we
don't
have
to
do
me
not
that
no
I
don't
want
to
like?
Let's
not
do
that
conversation,
you
know
what
you
need
them
trying
to
get
around
the
policy
again.
H
H
Policies
I
mean
they
actually
all
kind
of
like
things
were
probably
quickly
reached
because
it's
about
I
mean,
but
why
don't
we?
Why
don't
we
bring
this
back
or
maybe
ask
the
staff
to
actually
kind
of
flush
those
down
and
bring
this
back
as
an
office
recognition,
because
I
think
the
for
new
buildings?
You
know.
C
H
H
Thank
you.
Well,
it's
like
we
can't
I,
don't
think
we
can
necessarily
legally
like
tell
them
what
to
do.
It's
not
like
the
solar
of
the
schools.
We
bring
in
ideas,
we're
like
we're
willing
to
invest
in
these
things,
and
we
think
they're
going
to
save
you
money
which
directly
say
does
money
because
we're
paying
for
all
this
stuff.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
I
mean
it
sounds
like
I
mean
just
this,
the
storage
stuff
could
be
yeah,
we're
not
gonna
do
about
40
at
one
time.