Burbank, California Infrastructure Oversight Board, 28 Apr 2022

Previous Meeting

⏯

youtube image

►

From YouTube: Burbank Infrastructure Oversight Board and Transportation Committee Joint Meeting - April 28, 2022

Description

Burbank Infrastructure Oversight Board and Transportation Committee Joint Meeting - April 28, 2022

A

B

Good evening, everyone and welcome to the april 28 2022 joint meeting of the infrastructure.

B

Oversight board and transportation commission welcome to all the board members commissioners.

B

Staff and members of the public who might be watching um would the chair of the traffic.

B

The transportation commission, mr mckenna, please lead us in the flag salute please rise.

C

To your hand, over your heart render appropriate honors.

C

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america.

C

And to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible liberty and justice for all.

B

Thank you, mr mckenna. Mr zales, could we get the roll call? Please.

D

Yes, of course, um tamala takahashi, here walter brennan jr here armin abbasian.

D

Is he not here today, okay, jeff vanderport, I'm present perfect uh greg jackson here.

D

Vanessa, rachel here and maria coronado here perfect, thank you and.

D

Mr city attorney: are we also doing the roll call for um transportation commission? Yes, it is a.

E

Joint meeting, okay, okay, I apologize give me one quick moment. While we go ahead and pull that up.

F

Could do it for you if you want, if please, if you can nick you're able to do a roll call, please, yes,.

G

uh uh Paul mckenna here, john adams, yeah jason lewis, here rebecca kolauskas here, mark earhart.

G

And kimberly you.

H

Alright we're all set. Thank you for john terrier. Yes, all right here.

C

Thank you. How about vanessa is.

H

Me, you know vanessa, rochelle, sorry about that. We you got her yeah, we got her.

B

Thank you. Do we have any announcements tonight.

F

Yes, uh madam chair, mr chair, I think we uh should take the opportunity from staff, at least to.

F

Introduce ourselves, um I know, I'm new so since we're all together I'll start and uh pass around.

F

The the the screen uh ken berkman uh public works director uh for two years now. um Mr mcdougall.

E

I'm joe mcdougall, I'm the city attorney uh recent city attorney appointed just last fall and I've.

E

Been here um supporting the city for going on 17 years and I'd like to uh introduce kane twin.

E

uh Who he's on the bottom of my screen, but I don't know where he is on your screen- he's our newest.

E

Senior assistant city attorney that comes to us from a firm burke williams and sorensen, which is.

E

One of the largest municipal law firms in southern california- and he served more than 10 cities.

E

I think simultaneously at times, and he will be king will be your attorney, uh at least through.

E

The summer as we um uh which time lisa will come back and we'll figure out the the proper.

E

Balance yeah. Thank you for your introduction and uh good seeing everybody here. Thank you, uh mr hahn.

I

Hi han I'm the capital project's program manager, I've been with the.

I

City for a little over two years now and mr krisky.

G

Yes, david kriske assistant community development director, I also serve as the secretary for the.

G

Transportation commission uh for our director and uh mr: u I'm not sure if you're attending or.

F

Listening but uh there you are greeting everybody. My name is edward. You, I'm the traffic engineering.

H

Manager for the city and um I've only been here a short time less than less than a year, but.

H

I've learned a lot in my one year, ten years so uh happy to be here.

F

Thank you. That concludes our announcement set staff. Thank you, mr berkman. Mr brookman, you have.

B

An announcement about our next meeting in the being attendance in person is that correct in.

B

May yes, yes uh in may all meetings uh will be held in person, um council and all boards and.

F

Commissions, so we definitely look forward to um really seeing you soon great. Thank you great news.

B

Thank you. Are there any other announcements from staff or members of board the commission.

B

No all right, then, we will move along to item d. Public comment.

B

Ms rosales, do we have any public comment tonight.

D

We do have one caller in the queue right.

D

Sorry we're having some technical difficulties with the phone lines. Give me one quick moment.

D

Roy you're now live with the infrastructure oversight board.

J

My name is roy uh and I was calling mainly about a what I feel in a number of other cyclists here.

J

In burbank, um as well as some drivers, because it affects them, a dangerous situation that you might.

J

Or might not know about on the burbank boulevard bridge the newly opened burbank boulevard bridge.

J

I had spoken with miss takahashi about this um a few months ago. uh Are we still.

J

Something changed, echo went away, or am I still here? uh Yes, you're still live with the board. Okay,.

J

Walk you there for a second okay. Thank you uh calling regarding the bike lane on the.

J

Burbank bridge, um if you're not aware of the situation, if you're heading from san fernando.

J

Boulevard on the bridge, there is a bike lane starting there and there there is already one.

J

As you know, on san fernando boulevard, they did a strike. A new lane on the bridge heading west.

J

Towards costco from san fernando boulevard, um where it gets very dangerous, is at front street.

J

The bike lane abruptly ends there is no warning to a cyclist coming from san fernando boulevard.

J

That they lose their bike lane. uh So a lot of things come into play here now: you're in traffic.

J

Your only option is stay in traffic and descend down to costco there on the bridge.

J

You can only imagine you well, I'm sure you well know uh how drivers are jockeying from position.

J

To get into costco or turn right there in victory, um so there's also a lot of riders. Well, just hop.

J

On the sidewalk well, the curb is especially tall there and there's a barricade across the sidewalk.

J

At the bottom, they don't want pedestrians or cyclists using the sidewalk on the bridge.

J

On that, on that north side of the bridge, they want everybody on the south side, um there's again in a.

J

Front street at that point is at least four lanes. If you want to cut across to get to.

J

The bike lane going down front street and it's probably kind of hard to envision all this, but.

J

Just imagine being on a bicycle up there, I'm an experienced rider ride every day and I've done.

J

A lot of cross-country literally to other states, and that's just me.

J

Even I'm kind of concerned about safety on that bridge and I ride every day in burbank.

J

Absolutely every day for a novice, cyclist or a kid or somebody, that's not comfortable out in.

J

Traffic, this is a really really bad situation. um I have been in touch with the city council.

J

I got passed on to david crisky, he has been responsive but I'm told there's issues with.

J

Caltrans, they are part uh owners of the bridge, if that's the right term and there's a lot of layers.

J

To go through um I'm. What I'm pleading for is an immediate sign to be put up at san fernando road.

J

Warning cyclists or informing them. I should say of the bike lane ending at the top of the bridge.

J

um That to me seems like a relatively again I'm an outsider, looking in as far as government and how.

J

It all works with signage. I know there's a lot to it, but for months now I've been calling for that. I.

J

Do feel that that's an accident waiting to happen up there um and also dangerous for motorists too.

J

Because all of a sudden now they've got cyclists in front of them that they didn't going up the.

J

Bridge uh they're in a perfect world, there should be signage at the fernando. There should also be.

J

Cheryl's, what they call the the stenciling on the road. You literally see a bicycle in the arrows.

J

To also try to get uh the attention of drivers um that also is needed on the eastbound bridge.

J

Leaving costco going up over the five there's, a very small sign that says: share the road.

J

um That's not enough. It's uh everybody's jockeying to get either on the five or front street there.

J

Needs to be a lane, I feel or or better signage bigger signage there. On the costco side, the lane.

J

Does start at front street going back down to san fernando, but um and just for your your knowledge.

J

I wasn't touched about this during construction very early in construction, asking that I know it's.

H

A big project, please, you know the city is pushing for people to bicycle and walk and everything else.

J

Please take that into account. I was assured by several council folks on the council that.

J

It was in the drawings, and everything else was that everything was being planned out um and.

A

When it opened, uh I was sort of the one who founded the alarm like sir. Thank you so much for.

D

Your time, the five minutes is now okay. Thank you. Thank you for your comments tonight. Thank you. Bye.

D

And we do have another speaker, um marva murphy. She will now be placed with the board. Welcome marva.

B

Go ahead, marva. Thank you good evening to everyone. I am here. My name is marva murphy.

K

And I am here representing the burbank advisory council on disabilities. We have a laundry list.

K

Of items that need to be addressed in the city for public safety, that and that are inclusive of.

K

All populations residing in the city and rather than take up the time with the.

K

With our laundry list, I would just like to ask and request that the transportation.

K

And commission and the infrastructure oversight board have a joint meeting.

K

With the burbank advisory council on disabilities to go over some of the things that need to be done,.

K

And need to be corrected and those that um and reviewing those things that are future planning.

K

Because there are many things in the city that have had to be.

K

Been done twice costing, the city double the cost because they were not properly installed.

K

Or not properly addressing the issues of the disabled and senior population in the community.

K

And at this point that's uh all I'm going to say. I did request that the uh to several members that.

K

The um disability or the burbank advisory council be included in this joint meeting this evening.

K

But unfortunately, that didn't come to fruition, so I'm requesting again that there be a joint.

K

Meeting with the burbank advisory council to go over the laundry list of of items.

K

That needs to be addressed and those items coming up that need to be addressed and.

K

uh Directed and ada, compliancy and inclusivity included in the programming and planning. Thank you.

B

Okay, thank you, miss murphy. Do we have any other callers tonight? Those are only two okay.

B

All right, uh mr burkman um and mr burant, how do you suggest that we address the public.

B

Comments tonight in a joint meeting: what's the best approach, do you have an immediate.

B

Response to either of the callers tonight that we can have um have you speak on at this point.

B

F

Madam chair, mr chair, mr chrisky, has been in touch with mr wigan, the caller about burbank.

F

Bridge and the bike lane he is factual when he says it's in caltrans tourist jurisdiction and.

F

We're working with them! That's what I can comment on that, uh mr chrisky, if you want to add anything.

F

You're welcome to now that covers it, and we've had some offline conversations about.

G

uh Hopefully, trying to resolve the situation to his satisfaction, just.

G

We need a little bit of time and coordination with caltrans to do so.

F

And um mr mcdougall, I'm I'm not aware of the burbank advisory council being a city council.

F

uh Represented advisory board body, so I don't think that is a request that we can fulfill.

E

um Yeah, there's nothing that prevents them from providing information for for the other boards to.

E

uh You know separately, discuss and deliberate each of the boards, although, although it's not common.

E

For boards to exchange information in that way, because staff is usually working in a linear way,.

E

Like with the capital improvement program or with uh priority funding on, um you know prop a proxy.

E

But there's nothing that that prevents uh staff from kind of.

E

Orchestrating a discussion in some fashion- uh typically, they have uh people will come.

E

To one board or another, uh from the advisory council and and kind of foster those discussions.

E

uh So there are many different ways that that conversation can occur. Okay,.

F

So I would, I would add there, it is a typical request, be it of a body or an individual resident.

F

For infrastructure, improvements or transportation improvements, both of these bodies know that.

F

And we consider them, along with the myriad of other tasks and capital improvements and.

F

Responsibilities that we have for sure, so uh both bodies can consider that request in the future.

B

Okay, thank you, mr mckenna. You have your hand up uh yes on the burbank bridge issue. I've also.

C

Been approached by that, but actually the other direction heading from victory to san fernando.

C

uh When cresting the hill, there, the lanes change and you blindly change lanes.

C

Frankly, I live right next to the bridge, so I know enough to avoid it, but I have taken.

C

A number of times to see what the person was talking about and if you aren't familiar with.

C

The bridge you go up and over and where you're at the crest, where you don't have visibility,.

C

uh The lanes change now, I know because I've dealt with mr chrisky for years on things like this.

C

Especially that bridge- and I know that it is caltrans, but I think we need to speak.

C

Up because I don't know what the solution is, I just know that it's a bit dangerous and that.

C

When you go up there, you find yourself in the wrong lane. You panic, you try and get another lane.

C

And I think we have a potential problem, but I was asked to pass it on and that's what I just did.

C

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you to both our callers tonight. I think both of the items that were.

B

Brought up during our public comment tonight are are examples that we can use during our discussion.

B

Tonight of how these processes work and and how the two different bodies, um what we're responsible.

B

For so um I'll keep note of them and then maybe we can bring them up later as examples of how how the.

B

Process can work. Okay, thank you. Any other staff or commissioner board response to public comment.

B

I think I think many of us share concerns about the bridge and also about the.

B

The safety issues, so thank you to both the callers for calling in tonight all right. Let's move on to.

B

The next item then item f and we'll start with the approval of minutes for the infrastructure board.

B

So miss rosales, that's the actually first. uh Do I ask I ask for discussion first right. Okay, so.

B

Is it a discussion or any or any comments about the uh minutes? Yes, mr jackson, yes, thank you. Madam.

L

Chairman and at our last meeting, we had extensive discussion about the capital improvement project.

L

Programs- uh and we had also similar uh lengthy discussions, the prior meeting.

L

And I, among others, expressed concern and opposition under the number of the proposed.

L

Projects that were going to be funded with uh fund 534, that's the prop p monies. I felt some were.

L

Not in the spirit of what the voters approved for capital improvements, I know our city attorney will.

L

Tell us they do meet that. That's because his predecessor wrote language that is so broad.

L

Anything that the city does is can be construed to capital improvement.

L

I also expressed concern over the escalation of cost of a number of projects. The.

L

Storage facility has gone from, I think it was about three and a half million when this board.

L

Initially was created to now it's over 11., that's well over 100 percent increase and that's not just.

L

Inflation, I also expressed concern over uh the million dollars that are proposed to be put in.

L

uh For flooring, it's not defined exactly what the flooring is at the police fire building. I mean.

L

That translates to well over a hundred dollars per square foot. You can go down the street to lowes.

L

And get carpet for five dollars a square foot, I mean staff said the reason for that was because.

L

They had to move furniture really anyway, I bring those issues up because when prop p was approved,.

L

It was said that half of the three-quarter cents would go to bail out the uh pension obligation.

L

Under pers for city employees and the other half would go toward unfunded capital. Improvement needs.

L

And it was construed from looking at that list that we've looked in the past. That would be things.

L

Like repairing our deteriorating streets and also dealing with our parks, improving the quality of.

L

Of of the facilities, none of that is in meeting minutes, and I want to know, is how.

L

My comments, and I believe mr vandenberg also expressed concerns over the use of 534 funds.

L

Is going to reach the city council? I think what the answer is going to be the meeting minutes and.

L

The meeting minutes are woefully insufficient. Mr burtman, do you have answers to that.

B

Thank you, mr jackson. um Mr burke would like to respond.

F

Yes, uh city attorney has his hand up. I didn't know if he wanted to comment on that. First.

E

uh Madam chair, mr chair, the city uh takes action. Minutes action minutes are for the purpose of.

E

Recording an action taken by the body, mr jackson is correct. Mr jackson, jackson quite often provides.

E

Substantial discussion on items, the purpose of the minutes is not to memorialize the deliberations of.

E

The entire body, but the action that the body takes the city's granicus system archives and maintains.

E

The video from every meeting back to 2008-ish when it went, live and that footage is available.

E

For members of the community and the council to review the full actual words of all the members.

B

Mr vanderbort, thank you, madam chair, I'm, and thank you, mr mcdougall.

M

I understand your comment. However, you know by that same token, in our minutes uh that we are.

M

Moving to accept, there is a far better detailed explanation about speed humps than about the.

M

uh What I consider the meat of the existence of this board, which is the approval of the use of the.

M

Capital improvement or the use of the measure p funds for capital improvement projects, so.

M

Perhaps may I just simply suggest that a minor change could be added to these minutes and that.

M

Is where it says uh in the meat of the paragraph relating to the capital improvement project.

M

Program where it says, including specific inquiries and to fund 534 details, maybe instead of inquiries.

M

You can say inquiries and some disagreements of board members about the use of funds 534, something.

M

As simple as that might at least alert someone to maybe dive into the granicus and decide to enjoy a.

M

Couple of hours of searching- uh perhaps we can do that, madam chair, if it's okay with the rest.

M

Of the board at least uh amend that the wording to make it a little more of a of a minor flag.

M

For someone who might want to learn about it, obviously it says that the vote was five to one.

M

With one abstention, I didn't abstain had to leave the the meeting. But, um having said that,.

M

That would be at least maybe most mr jackson, and I would feel a little more comfortable that.

M

Some wording to that effect gets added. Madam chair, if I could could clarify um the meetings are not.

E

Approved until the board passes, a motion and by majority approves the minute, so the minutes can be.

E

As exhaustive as you would like um it's, uh and they could be sent back either with that direction.

E

Or you know, members could redraft them. So uh what I what I uh said in response to.

E

Mr jackson's comments is the the nature of the minutes, um but they don't they're not approved.

E

Until they're approved, so majority of the body can make them reflect whatever detail, you prefer.

B

Mr vanderbilt, I have an another idea, possibly so, if you'll indulge me just for a minute.

B

Then, let's hear from mr brennan and then um I want to offer an another option, mr brennan. Yes, I just.

N

Want to say, I I'm in agreement with everybody here, uh mr vanderbort, mr jackson, I'm surprised that mr.

N

Jackson's comments weren't involved in the minutes of the recording of the minutes, especially since.

N

The reason he was complaining was the fact that it wasn't explained of why those flooring was.

N

Going to be replaced and replaced with one, as mr jackson said, he combined uh rugs and lows.

N

For five bucks, a foot but then there's different kinds of flooring in a police building and in a.

N

Fire department building, which is combined. That means there's rooms where um there's probably.

N

Shall we say uh critical things being experimented with um there's a room where the firemen come in.

N

Off the street and hose down their uniforms after they've, been in a fire, for example, or.

N

Emergency situation, so that's flooring too, so you probably have 20 different types of flooring.

N

And they probably all need repairs and or replacement, and so when the city goes to say.

N

We need money for this. That and the other thing. Perhaps they should get a detailed.

N

Report of how the money's being spent and broken down item by item, so it makes sense.

N

So we know what's going on as the taxpayers, we need to know those facts to make, so it makes sense.

N

And mr jackson was absolutely correct and complaining about it. Thank you.

B

Any other iob members would like to comment on the minutes.

B

I just want to make a closing comment. I mean I, I understand, staff is trying to deal with.

L

Pressing issues of of city, the city, the infrastructure.

L

And what's needed, I I, I stan, understand that and I applaud that. However, I think they see 534 funds.

L

As as a pull of money, they can tap for pretty much anything, and uh you know and the fact that.

L

My concerns and two lesser degrees, mr vandenberg's and other members, is not being related to the.

L

Council really bothers me, I mean I've come close to resigning from this board. uh Several.

L

Times and tonight I think will be the time that I decided to heck with it. It's not worth my time.

L

We're window dressing and we're not functioning. Thank you. Thank you for your comments, mr jackson,.

B

Any other comments from the infrastructure board members.

B

I think that it's a fairly.

B

Common opinion that these minutes are quite um high level um and cursory and the previous.

B

Minutes that we've had for this board, if you look at previous months, it does have quite a good.

B

Summary of each individual's comments throughout the meeting of what our you know, thoughts were.

B

On it, they weren't super detailed, but they were enough to get the idea of where we're coming from.

B

And as we reviewed them, we would look them over and see what our part whether we were relate our.

B

Information was relayed in a way that was, we felt was accurate. um That definitely is missing from.

B

This from these minutes, I also noticed that uh in the public comment section, which we don't.

B

Get a lot of public comments so to be fair, this is one of the first times we had more than one.

B

um There wasn't any indication of what the public commenters were talking about, so it says that the.

B

Topic they were talking on, but it doesn't say whether they support whether they have concerns.

B

Or what those concerns were, and I think that is valuable, even if the the board does not decide.

B

To take up that information, it's important I, as person, who calls into other meetings I like to.

B

See that my voice was actually heard and listened to and that the board understood what I said so.

B

If, if the, um if the iob is, is uh in agreement with me, I would like to suggest actually sending this.

B

Back to reflect a similar pattern or similar format, as our previous minutes, where it wasn't.

B

Line by line, but it did give a good summary of each individual's perspective on the different.

B

Items we brought up. um How does the rest of the board feel about that? I support that.

O

I'm in support.

B

All right um would someone like to make a motion then, to do that or that did I make a motion.

B

uh Miss rochelle made the motion okay and uh was who I heard another voice. Madam chair.

F

Will leave the motion on record? I didn't. I didn't hear the actual motion. Okay, thank.

B

You miss rachelle. Could you give an actual motion? Please, okay, I'll give him the motion.

B

Spell it out what the motion is: okay, so let's go back and um have the.

O

Minutes from the prior meeting, let's go back and have them revised to better reflect um what was.

O

Actually stated in the meeting, so we'd go back and someone could listen to the audio and better.

O

Reflect what was stated in the media and also we need to go back um callers. We need to reflect.

O

What callers actually said and make that a better reflect in the media in the minutes, and also for.

O

These minutes um from today I'm just saying that maybe we should focus too on the callers, so.

O

Roy and marva, so let's make sure that we reflect what was um more clearly stated, what they say.

F

So, mr mcdougall and madam chair, if I may, uh the motion is to revise the minister general.

F

Reflect the uh statements of the callers and the infrastructure oversight board members.

B

For april, yes, thank you great. Thank you. So much rochelle made the motion and mr brennan wasn't.

B

Either made the second yeah all right. Let's take the vote, mr results. Okay, takahashi! Yes,.

D

Greg jackson- yes, jeff vanderboy, yes, vanessa, richelle, yes, maria coronado,.

B

She's not here yes, yes, okay, armani navasian is absent. uh Walter brennan jr, yes,.

C

Thank you great, thank you and thank you staff for taking that back and.

B

Revising I appreciate that all right, so, um let's, mr mckenna, will you take on item f2.

C

They please to accept the minutes of our last meeting march 21 2022 as submitted. We have a.

C

Motion I'll motion for the minutes to be approved. Do we have a second? Oh? Second, all in favor.

K

I think yeah we need to put. We need a poll.

P

Is dave gonna? Do that good david? Would you mind I'm sorry who does that first.

G

I'll do it! Thank you david uh there. He is chair mckenna, yes, jason lewis, yes rebecca kolaskas, yes,.

G

Yes, john carrier, yes, and that motion passes five uh five approve and two absent.

C

Thank you. Thank you, madam chair. Thank you all right. Let's move on to item g, which is what.

B

We're all here to gather here together for um the traffic safety rules and responsibilities of the.

B

Two governing bodies of infrastructure oversight board and the um the transportation commission so.

B

Who is going to rep to present the material tonight? uh Mr berkman, all right, mr brookman.

B

Let's get started all right, uh madam chair, mr chair commissioners, board members. uh It's a.

F

Pleasure to be here before you to talk about this item, so um why are we here over the past year.

F

The board and the commission members have expressed concerns that their roles with regard.

F

To traffic safety have been diminished since the elimination of the traffic commission and that.

F

They'd, like the opportunity to be able to bring issues they hear about from the residents to staff.

F

The council also requested staff seek input from the two bodies to see how community concerns could.

F

Be brought to staffs and as applicable, council's attention for consideration and or action.

F

Now, as we all know, with the passage of the city's sales tax measure p, the traffic commission was.

F

Eliminated and the the infrastructure oversight board and transportation commission were created.

F

Now, based on our code, the purpose of the board is to advise the council on non-enterprise funded.

F

Capital projects and maintenance expenditures to ensure the reliability, maintenance and safety of.

F

The city's infrastructure, in addition, the board shall make recommendations on traffic.

F

Programs such as parking the board reviews at our annual capital improvement program and our annual.

F

Maintenance program and review their quarterless uh excuse me: progress uh quarterly over the past.

F

Year, the board has received presentations and have had discussions on a variety of related.

F

Infrastructure topics, including an overview of how projects are delivered an update on.

F

Measure p, income and the payment management program and, most recently, the city's speed.

F

Hump policy, the board also serves as the primary recommending body for permit parking requests.

F

The transportation commission is tasked with making recommendations to the city council.

F

On transportation, planning issues, including transportation element of the general plan,.

F

Expenditure of la county sales, tax funds, state air quality funds and other transportation.

F

Grant funds over the last year, the commission has provided input and recommendations on a variety of.

F

Transportation policies and programs, including the city's transit electrification policy,.

F

Analysis of the city's burbank bus, green route, fixed route, transit service.

F

Parking management, metro, metrolink services and review the sales tax, local return funds.

F

The commission also provides a public forum and makes recommendations.

F

On all transit service and fair changes that has expressed an interest.

F

In providing policy oversight of the implementation of the city's complete streets plan.

F

Currently, staff in the community development department, transportation planning, division.

F

And public works traffic engineering, section review and analyze the day-to-day requests.

F

From the public for a variety of improvements, such as on street parking restrictions, including.

F

Administration of residential preferential parking zones stop signs and other roadway user safety.

F

Signage or painting measures, speed humps, as we mentioned, pedestrian accessibility improvements.

F

And others, hundreds of requests are analyzed and completed every year. So in conclusion,.

F

The the combined roles and responsibilities of the of the board and the commission and of staff.

F

Provide a balanced approach to advise the city council on citywide transportation, planning.

F

And traffic safety needs and then designing constructing maintaining the transportation.

F

And traffic safety infrastructure necessary to support those needs or basically the commission.

F

Helps us decide how we want to get around and the board helps decide what infrastructure is needed.

F

To get us around in that manner, so this agenda, item's purpose, is to seek input.

F

From each body on the roles and responsibilities assigned to each by the code and how you can.

F

Facilitate input from the community on enhanced traffic and safety measures, so that concludes.

F

Our report and we uh look forward to the discussion and answering any questions.

F

Thank you, mr madam chair, great, thank you, mr berkman. All right, I think the first hand up was mr.

B

Lewis, would you like to make a comment or question I'll defer to uh chair mckenna? Okay, mr mccann.

C

I was happy to go second, um sir. I I previously was on the traffic.

C

Commission for many years and yes, you're correct, it was everything from.

C

Red curb sparking permits and speed, humps and many of things you recommended.

C

It was also things like crossing wall, crosswalks and safety around our schools. Now I, the.

C

Presentation you just gave was very complete and really left very few holes, but that hasn't been.

C

The experience for the last year, the last year, it's kind of been the left hand's, been pointing.

C

At the right hand and saying well, that's someone else's responsibility when questions were asked.

C

I mean I can go back as far as the day before school streets were repaved in front of red heart.

C

And crosswalks hadn't been painted yet and the principal literally called me at home and said.

C

What can I do about this and they were painted that afternoon? It's just things that we as members.

C

Of the community have eyes on that. Sometimes the city doesn't see. I do have concerns about.

C

Not just traffic but traffic safety, and I do think that uh transportation has a has an effect on that.

C

Obviously the mta on olive, I think, is going to uh be a major change of pace for everyone.

C

Especially when they actually pointed out, they claimed that.

C

Traffic would not be going down oak and clark, but uh we all know that's going to happen.

C

And that there are three schools on those streets, our four schools, including including.

C

Hurt the middle school, um so I I do think there's some some gaps that I don't understand.

C

um So, are you basically saying that all the responsibilities from traffic went to.

C

Iob well, uh mr chair, the way I would answer that, um based on what I saw in the revised code, is.

F

As you said, items like stop signs and crosswalks were placed into into my positions. Responsibility.

F

Which is, um in my opinion, the right way to do it, and, and I worked for several cities and they.

F

Do it the same way? Mr? U, as a long history of experience with la dot, for example, so.

F

The those day that day-to-day item is exactly that and when we we receive.

F

Obviously, hundreds of requests and have a cue for analysis for things like um you know, assistance of.

F

Of ada at a signal, for example, or or stop signs, um and they are part of our regular.

F

Traffic engineering duties and the both boards, not just the infrastructure board, but the.

F

The transportation commission really sets the table for city-wide programs and policies.

F

And with that setting, you know, for example, the capital program reflects what the transportation.

F

Commission worked on with mr crisky as far as complete streets and those filtered down on the.

F

Projects which land into staff's um responsibility to get them done and for public works perspective.

F

Operate and maintain them so it I believe it's a joint effort um that that makes sense as it is.

F

Right now, but I'm talking about things, for instance that are and mr christian I've.

C

Discussed this- and I agree 100- that things that that are that are by policy shouldn't.

C

Be going before a commission things that are non-compliant like four-way stops near a school.

C

um Are things that I think need to go for commission now, with your experience from other.

C

Cities both you and mr yu, how many of those cities have blinking yellow arrows uh at intersections. I.

C

Was under the impression that was non-compliant, and I also think that it's a point of concern.

C

Especially for pedestrian crossing and the number of traffic accidents that have happened at buena.

C

Vista and burbank boulevard and other places where those non-compliant blinking lights exist.

F

I will look to mr krisky to give a little background on that, but um there are several.

F

Cities that started using the flashing left turn hours. That's what we're talking about.

F

And I believe um from my previous city, it was started because caltrans started allowing them.

F

So it is um within cities, um staff purview to see. If that's what we'd like to do, I don't know.

F

If that was discussed with with either of these bodies to move forward, mr krisky or mr mcdougall.

G

No, so that sort of operational thing would have been with the traffic commission.

G

And so that's, I think mr mckenna's experience, I think in speaking with my commission and also.

G

With mr kent mckennis directly, uh on the one hand, what we did, what the council did to reorient the.

G

The duties and policies of the boards was good. I think the commission, the former traffic commission,.

G

Used to get for lack of a better turn a little bit too down into the weeds with things that.

G

Should be administrative when really your role and your value is to set the higher level policy and.

G

Direction or at least recommend to the council, and I think the traffic commission had kind of.

G

Lost that and by resetting the the goals and policies of iob and transportation commission, we.

G

Were trying to restore the high-level policy input direction advice for the council, however, with the.

G

With the commission's discussions as of late, I think the one not whole, but something maybe we.

G

Want to focus on, and maybe the group can discuss is there's still a need for a venue for input for.

G

Things that are maybe uh uh kind of basic, but then queue back to policy discussions and I think.

G

That's something that uh the commission wants to get involved with in terms of allowing a venue.

G

To receive broader comment on these policy issues um where then, we can still leave staff to do some.

G

Of the basics, so that is something that we try to outline with the reorganizations of the boards. But.

G

Maybe we need to look at that further um uh and so that's kind of where we have been standing. I.

G

Think, at least on the commission level in terms of uh making sure that everything's covered, I I.

C

Appreciate that, mr christie, I didn't mean to throw you under the bus, uh no pun intended.

C

Transportation, commission, but um but and one last thing and I promise I'll be quiet.

C

Signage on chandler in the past, we've quite discussed that, and I was told we had sign.

C

Pollution and uh we do at intersections, but I was curious if the iob would consider in the future.

C

Wear a helmet, it's the law signs they can be put on the same poles as the dog. The doggy bags are.

C

You know, there's not a lot of sign pollution there. It's pick up after your dog. They don't necessarily.

C

The intersection, but I think that families that are out there with their families, with with their.

C

Children should realize that they're, in violation of the law, not just putting their children in an.

C

Unsafe place and I've been told, you know that that was, I don't know whose position that is.

C

Anymore, so I'm throwing it out there, and I will go to mr lewis because to mr lewis now. Thank you.

P

Thank you, mr chair, and thank you chairs, akashi for this opportunity as well. I've been looking.

P

Forward to this- and I wanted to dive into some specifics- and hopefully we can figure out.

P

On with these issues and potential solutions uh who it falls under and how we can work together,.

P

So if I'm sounding very deliberate and specific, it's because I'm also an engineer so diving.

P

Directly into street improvements, um safety has been a big issue. I'm a runner on our streets.

P

I see these things firsthand and especially I've seen people driving in our bike lanes. uh We know.

P

We've had deaths on alameda uh in bike lanes. So it's interesting to hear people calling in talking.

P

About having to leave bike lanes and fearing their safety when, in fact in the bike lanes, is.

P

A place where people should also be watching out. I know I am so something about narrowing the lanes.

P

Is a great way to adaptively slow people down it's something I'd like to propose. I don't know.

P

How we can get funding for that, whether it's a capital improvement or whether it comes from.

P

Some of our funding, but um and and possibly adding roundabouts. I know that sounds ridiculous.

P

But uh with a lot of the the issues we've been having with speeding, we literally just had a.

P

Death today this afternoon, um near the metrolink station and uh speed was involved according to.

P

Initial reports and it's as someone against someone who's on foot in our streets, it's scary.

P

And if somebody's on bikes and as I know, people who can speak even um into a specific instance.

P

But I think we should talk about these things, because um I know that they're going to and the.

P

Reason I'm bringing up now is, I know it's going to impact um other boards as well. We might want.

P

To get involved the police, commission and, and whoever represents fire. I know that safety is.

P

An issue with narrowing lanes and things yeah, I'm sure the folks on iob discuss the speed, humps and.

P

I know that's one of the big ones is someone who tried to get speed humps in my neighborhood years.

P

And years ago, um the second thing is, I noticed: under the municipal code, new technology falls.

P

Under the uh transportation commission, but I do know we're going to obviously be interfacing with.

P

Infrastructure on this, but cameras and ways we can integrate technology with enforcing um infractions.

P

Like speeding, uh like maybe seat belts uh policies, talk about helmets things that we could do that.

P

Would free up our police force into focusing on uh the more serious uh interactions and focusing less.

P

On um traffic, I think for two reasons: number one: we only have a certain number of officers.

P

We can deploy um and then we have uh cameras are what we would call force multipliers.

P

And we could potentially uh get it out there that this is happening. Slow people.

P

Down, I'm not talking about people slamming on their brakes at intersections by the way.

P

I don't want that. I do want ways we can implement technology that enforces and encourages good.

P

Behavior not punitively harms people who are just doing business in our in our city.

P

um And the last thing I would is encourage, possibly uh maybe a another overlap with the.

P

Police commission- I know I'm interested in talking about this as where the line between safety and.

P

You know misdemeanors and felonies occur with vehicles. I know it's going to be an issue when.

P

It comes up with the new brt. That's coming through our city, we're going to have to figure that out.

P

But I do think that we should start. Maybe a special commission um agenda that go that talks.

P

About some of these major issues that overlap all the three of us that we can get to the council to.

P

Discuss and find funding because I think we need to start acting preemptively um our police and.

P

Other safety folks are reactive, they show up after something happens, and we want to start getting our.

P

Our engineering and our infrastructure, preventing these things from happening in the first place.

P

Thank you and- and I hope we can get some some measured results out of this meeting.

B

um Do we have any responses from staff right away for that yeah? Mr perkman yeah sure uh appreciate.

F

The opportunity, um madam chair, uh commissioner lewis, thank you for the comments. The good news.

F

uh To uh specifically address each one of the items that you're talking about.

F

uh Lane widths and roundabouts and cameras for enforcement, there are things that we consider.

F

um In collaboration and coordination with meeting with each other, excuse me meaning.

F

Public works and community development, uh my engineering team and mr crisky's team.

F

You know the lane widths are things: uh lanewoods are a project by project roadway by roadway type,.

F

Of thing where we need to look at the usage uh who the roadway users are- and we always do so.

F

We do have um kind of an internal policy which which really uh floats down from uh caltrans.

F

But with our local control of it, you know, even even an arterial, like hollywood way has.

F

10 foot lanes on it to accommodate bike lanes, but there are certainly certain areas where there's a.

F

Lot of major truck traffic- and you do need 12 foot lanes and it's that balance we want. We always seek.

F

With you, safety for all users of the roadway and that's definitely uh it's a more prevalent.

F

Focused goal to enhance pedestrian and cyclist safety, so I appreciate that.

F

um Mr chrisky knows, uh mr, u knows I'm a big fan being uh of roundabouts growing up back east so.

F

um I I hear you on that and I've I've already thrown that out there, but it's something that.

F

Can work in the right spot again just like language and to be clear for everybody.

F

The roundabouts are, are the larger um circles on on more larger roadways. Some people call.

F

Traffic circles: roundabouts traffic circles are in typically residential neighborhoods a traffic.

F

Calming a complete streets kind of element to slow people down as they go across an intersection. So.

F

Definitely something we are looking at. um I can't speak for uh the police department themselves.

F

And and from uh opinion from mr mcdougall you're, more than welcome, of course, to to uh let us know.

F

Any history or discussions previously, but I know we work together with police department on cameras.

F

On our facilities for safety and security, they consider, as we move through our programs and.

F

And discussions with departments- uh if that is the right thing to do, but all three of those are.

F

Things that um either either body the board or the commission, uh it would make sense to.

F

Me- and this is where I'm bouncing it off at mr mcdougall as an additional agenda item those.

F

Are city-wide issues, so I think it's perfectly appropriate for you to ask staff to come back.

F

With a report um on those types of issues that are city-wide um yeah, madam chair, bringing it.

E

Back more specifically uh to the agenda item and agenda report, both the board and the commission.

E

Have within their powers and duties, perform uh such advisory functions as are delegated to it.

E

By the city council, so there is in the in the classic venn diagram there, uh each the board.

E

And the commission have their own spheres and they clearly overlap the specific word. Safety is.

E

Not in either of your powers and duties, but it's implicit in every project, every capital project.

E

Has some safety element or purpose to it? There's at this point: burbank is a hundred and eleven.

E

Years old and every project is a redo of something else right, so there's some purpose to why we're.

E

Changing there are no more open fields that we're developing, so this is a process of incrementally.

E

Improving transportation and likewise increasing safety, so, and and and both of these bodies have.

E

This open-ended authority uh for for any such other functions. um Mr lewis raises a a very.

E

Good point, and that is that almost every board and commission in this town and there's 20 of.

E

Them has an interest in in overlapping issues, and I would often say to the traffic commission, as we.

E

Were talking about the brown act? I know you all just went through traffic to get here and I know.

E

You're all really upset about conditions that you went through to get here. Unfortunately, we can only.

E

Talk about the ones that are on the agenda and it can be very frustrating, particularly when these.

E

Boards and commission only meet once a month and yet on your way to the meeting and on your.

E

Way away from the meeting you're going through the very issue: you're traveling through infrastructure,.

E

You're dealing with traffic or transportation, um but so to answer the first question you both have.

E

The ability to deliberate on on any other issues delegated by the council and to be sure for any.

E

Of you who were watching the budget meeting uh and and um for those of you particularly the.

E

Infrastructure oversight board: um you see the transportation improvements in the capital.

E

Improvement program and the issues of speeding and racing in town and the very incident that.

E

Mr lewis talked about today, which was vehicle on vehicle collision on front street um uh council.

E

And the community wants the traffic safety issues brought under control. So the question from from a.

E

Policy perspective is what body should this go through? How should that recommendation proceed to.

E

Council, how should council give direction? You know in terms of funding priorities as transportation.

E

Commission knows the flexibility of your funding. Sources is very broad. Likewise, measure p money is.

E

General fund money and the infrastructure oversight board has been adamant about.

E

Not only increasing the percentage of measure p money but increasing the share of general fund.

E

Money that likewise goes toward infrastructure improvements, and so um so it's it's! It's pos.

E

All of this is possible, it's a question of. Where is the starting point? The starting point is: is the.

E

Community's concern and then the next point is how staff route, those issues and the professional work.

E

Through the boards and commissions, and just like with the greenhouse gas reduction program, I think.

E

It went before almost every well, it probably went through about five or six boards and commissions.

E

To share where those greenhouse gas reductions were going to come from, and likewise the roadway.

E

Safety programs that have a planning component and a funding component will likewise go through both.

E

Boards and, and so how do those projects initiate and and so, as mr berkman answered to council.

E

On tuesday night there are projects already in the cip and already in the work program.

E

To work on the signal, synchronization part or the desynchronization to the extent incentivize.

E

Speeding when glen oaks is two miles of green lights in the middle of the night, so staff.

E

Is working on that and then all of these other components um you know traffic circles and where.

E

They go speed, humps and where they go, how they're funded how they're allocated where they go? First.

E

That you know there's a policy about how those get routed, who makes the last recommendation or.

E

Is staff going to collect the recommendations and what, if the recommendations are different, you know.

E

From the boards and commissions- and that's all I mean that's all very important, and so it's.

E

But at the end of the day, both the commission and the board have the authority to.

E

Have overlapping authority and council should be asked? You know how for the special projects that.

E

Are beyond what's already in the cib, uh that's already funded through our you know, county funding.

E

Sources and already in the cip, how does that come forward? um Is there a concern that one board.

E

Speak first over the others, or is it really to provide the broadest uh vehicle for for community.

B

Thank you, mr mcdougall, and I think what you just said is why we're here tonight.

B

Is to understand that process and understand how the policy works and.

B

Where do things start? Where do things go through? How do we know which, which body will address it.

B

So for the two items that mr lewis brought up, for example with the cameras and with this uh safety.

B

Safety measures on the streets: how would that start? How would that go through which body.

B

Would take it if if there was like there was a you know, if mr lewis wanted to bring up the concern in.

B

Transportation would it go through them first or if one of us wanted to how would that work.

B

And that's what the question is, mr lewis right is like: how would that? How would that get started, and.

B

How would that go through? Can I ask mr mcdougall a question that uh tamela and I were just we're.

C

Just in a meeting with um our assembly member mrs friedman and she was talking about an assembly.

C

Bill that would put um cameras up that would they wouldn't be a penalty. A ticket like a speeding.

C

Ticket it would be a ticket more like a parking ticket that would go to a vehicle for 10 miles.

C

Over the speed limit things of this nature, but it would be, it would be able to happen with greater.

C

Frequency and patterns of behavior and things of that nature, would be documented and allow us to.

C

Without taking police officers, necessarily tying police officers up uh for simple traffic.

C

uh Things before they become a disaster, so do you know anything about the status of that.

C

Mr mcdougall or everybody coming out of that field. Well so um I don't know the particulars about.

E

Assembly member friedman's bill, but red light camera programs have been in place for decades.

E

And some of them have been challenged and failed, and some of them may still be in effect. um But.

E

There's a lot of controversy and that's an issue we'd have to look at on her. Her bill was for speed.

C

Though, mr goodwill, not, I know, you're the red light camera, but then the new thing about this would.

C

Be for speed so there's so so there's a lot of issues. First of all, it doesn't become there's no.

E

Criminal penalty attached, unless it goes through hands right, the camera doesn't issue a ticket.

E

So there's questions about how the system is set up. Does it go through the police department.

E

You know uh there there are notice requirements, arraignment requirements, so a program like that.

E

Would really have to be looked at her bill would enable it right, and but then the community has to.

E

Decide where and how and then we still need. uh You know witnesses if, if the city attorney's office.

E

Prosecutes a case we use an officer as the witness for the crime. So how does that work? You know for.

E

A video um our office doesn't actually appear on speeding tickets. Those go to glendale court.

E

um And and those get uh tried over there, we haven't been asked to appear on one in years.

E

So that I mean there's a lot of questions, a lot of that is how the court has has actually taken.

E

Our own infractions out of the burbank courts and pushed them into glendale. So there's a lot of.

E

There's a lot of house, you know it's, not it's not. uh I don't have a no answer. I have a that's.

E

Interesting, I don't know, I don't know exactly know how it would work, because um there's a there's.

E

There's there's a lot of issues. There's a lot of college. I didn't mean to blindside you.

E

No, no, it's it's a it's! It's a good issue, and so when I say red light camera, I say that because.

E

That's probably the most mature program that's been out there.

E

And there's no one way that that has succeeded over time, uh and so we have to.

E

We have to look at it. She she recognized a lot of the concerns that you have, but.

C

And that's why she said it wouldn't be necessarily a ticket to your driver's license.

C

But it'd be like a parking ticket that would be assigned to the vehicle um and hopefully like I.

C

Said it would establish a pattern of behavior. uh Is that the way you understood it, uh chairperson,.

B

Yeah- and you know I do want to talk about this, but I I think mr mcdougall, we are getting a little bit.

B

Into a specific talk, discussion about items- and um you know back to my original question before.

B

Mr mckenna brought that important issue up is that you know there are many issues tonight that have.

B

Been brought up- and I imagine that miss kolaskas and mr jackson, mr vandenberg, have also issues they.

B

Want to address and the question I think the big question here is: how do we get these items.

B

In front of either you know to talk in front of the board or the commission, or how do we process.

B

These items so that we can address each of the items that came up tonight that can be addressed.

B

And then how do we know how to who to move them through? Do we move them through transportation,.

B

Do we move them through infrastructure? That's the question. I'm asking tonight.

E

So my recommendation procedurally, is that each body have an agendized item on traffic safety.

E

Okay, so you would not, you would need to follow your agenda setting uh process to um and I think.

E

We all follow the same process, but you would need to agendize and the board would have to.

E

Talk about what its interests are now I see ken leaning forward on his seat already and wait. Let.

L

Me finish so the the the overall global problem is that there is a work program and there is a finite.

E

Resource of staff time I can speak for my office, and that is, I need to get with the prosecutors to.

E

Talk to them about red light enforcement and how that would work. I'm just saying this as an example.

E

uh uh Mr mckenna drew me into that very engaging conversation. I wasn't trying to violate the brown.

E

Act but from a from a perspective as an example program um now I need to pull prosecutors away.

E

They staff two courtrooms all day, long and there's only three of them and they they use.

E

Their third day to do office prep for their trial work, so I need to pull them and we only get three.

E

So I have to pull someone given a give them an assignment. That's not their core assignment and.

E

Figure out how we prioritize that, amongst domestic violence, task force uh coming up potentially with.

E

uh You know noticing uh provisions for you know, crimes to to comply with different statutes.

E

And so just from my department there are workload considerations and I have to align my work program.

E

With council's goals, each department has that that same thing and some of our projects for.

E

Those of you who follow the council agenda, they have their own mushroom cloud effect and they have.

E

Projects that are already part of the work program have the effect of absorbing tons of staff time so.

E

What is important is for council to be able to prioritize and then give direction, and so in order.

E

To give the board or commission a voice, I I think the easiest thing is for the board to agendize.

E

Let's talk about traffic safety now I say that and in order to to let ken off the hook realize that.

E

He already has a work program and things that he has to bring forward on the cip to infrastructure.

E

Oversight board, and likewise david and nick, have a program and a schedule that they have to bring.

E

Before the transportation commission, so those topics are going to compete with the existing.

E

Work program that council is considering they're they're wrapping up the 2122 work program and.

E

Council is in the middle of considering the budget for 2223, and so there is a programming element.

E

It's why we have a one-step two-step process of council so that when they have a new item.

E

There's a minimum amount of info information that staff puts in before a majority of the council.

E

Votes: okay: this needs to become a full-blown item and so likewise, without stifling the border.

E

Commission from being able to talk about something, that's important if you can lower the bar and.

E

Have a discussion, and then you know that could be advisory to the council. We're chomping at the bit.

E

To be able to address these issues and the list may be identical, the list may be separate.

E

And if they go forward then there can. There can be a discussion about then how to turn around.

E

And allocate staff's time that's already committed to other projects and and.

E

That's mechanically how it would need to happen in order for the the border.

E

Commission to feel like they have a voice, but in order for staff to not have the goals. Shifting.

E

Or, or have a conflict between council's program and the border commission's program? Okay, thank.

B

You so much for that explanation and that that, yes, you want to follow up. Mr berkman, yes, um bursting.

F

To share the good news with you, so um quite simply you know I I absolutely agree with mr mcdougall's.

F

Answer especially the last part, because we have our work program set for us every year,.

F

But the iob knows that the easiest way to talk about a new item is in h and I on your agenda.

F

Tonight there is always introduction of new agenda items, and our process allows a member to say I'd.

F

Like to see this gives us a chance to respond, if that's appropriate, for the board to review.

F

And then it goes on a pending agenda item and staff can address it in a prioritized order.

F

um And it's it's that simple, I don't think respectfully. We need to create an actual.

F

Traffic safety item on the agenda because that's always available to all for for the board members.

F

um That's always available to you, so I think that's a great way to get well. I I'm raising.

E

That so that the public knows like the item should be uh described clearly enough. But I'm just saying.

E

For instance, if it's about traffic safety uh or if it's about speeding under the brown act.

E

The item needs to be described with enough enough particularity that the residents know do. I need to.

E

Get a babysitter, you know, meetings are returning to in person. If I have a night job do I need to.

E

Take a night off if I cycle to work- and this is really important to me- and I want to talk about.

E

How many times I've been bumped by a car door or had a near miss.

E

It needs to be described well enough that I know to prioritize this and come out and speak so so.

E

So when I say traffic safety, um it would be great if there were, you know, 12 words or 20 words. The.

E

Brown act says not more than 20 words, but so the public is fairly unnoticed and you don't have the.

E

City attorney's office saying that's, really off scope, you know so so um you know paul mckenna.

E

When he was on, traffic, commission was on an ad hoc school safety committee, so when they met.

E

They were meeting about safety at schools related to the traffic commission, so the items should be.

E

Described enough that the public knows and that we can, we can somehow have a boundary around the.

E

Topic: we've: we've already uh talked about several mechanisms to increase traffic safety, whether it's.

E

Software and signals or hard improvements or lane widths traffic calming whatever.

E

um It needs to be particular enough. That's that's my point um and and if.

E

It's being done so that the commission can speak or the board can speak, but but there's a priority.

E

Then there just needs to be a little bit of patience and understanding that.

E

On some meetings there may be limited progress, but at least there could be this dialogue.

E

With the community coming out and talking about those issues that are important and then that.

E

It's properly memorialized in the minutes. I absolutely hear when I, when, uh when a board.

E

Or commission member is passionate about an issue and it's not in the document that memorializes it.

E

um You know, of course, I'm speaking on. You know what our policy is and staff efficiency, but those.

E

Minutes are not approved unless they're approved by the body so that that discussion.

E

Is meaningful when it when it comes back or when it goes up to counseling.

F

Madam chair, my last point was, and as the um as staff we bring the advisory.

F

Board recommendations to council via a memo, and that's that can be in our case, wrote a.

F

Memo to them about the measure, p uh budget and that is being considered next tuesday.

F

uh For example, in the cip presentation that public works is doing so that's the last piece.

F

That gets before council yeah. Thank you for the reminder about the memos. Wonderful. Thank you.

B

All right, miss miss colossus, has had her hand up for a very long time. Thank you for your patience.

B

uh Mr jackson, did you have a friend I know I'm, I know I'm not next and I apologize I'm going.

L

To be leaving uh this evening's meeting, I have other commitments. I just think this has been very.

L

Productive- uh and I I applaud you- know everyone for participating. uh Can uh your comment that we.

L

Could put traffic issues you know at requested meetings for next agenda? I just would like to.

L

Note that I requested this joint meeting be held about six months ago, so it's taken that long.

L

To filter up to a priority for you, but thank you very much and good night good night, mr jackson,.

B

Thank you for being here all right, miss kolaskas. Now I believe you can speak and lower your hand.

Q

Wonderful. um Thank you. This has been a really interesting conversation. I'm probably the newest.

Q

Member of the commission, so I'm still kind of getting up to speed on how everything works.

Q

um So I think a lot of this actually boils down to the implementation of the complete streets plan.

Q

And I my concern is that this is just an aspirational plan. I am a transportation planner.

Q

Professionally and so I know, a lot of these plans end up just sitting on shelves collecting dust.

Q

And I think it seems like it's really the I the infrastructure awards responsibility then.

Q

To ensure that these projects are funded um and constructed, but they also have a lot of competing.

Q

Priorities- and so I guess my question is, how are we ensuring that the complete streets elements are.

Q

Are prioritized on the infrastructure boards or the capital improvement project list and.

Q

I had previously suggested or requested to mr chrisky that we have quarterly check-ins on the.

Q

Progress of the complete streets plan and perhaps we could make that a joint meeting of the iob.

Q

And transportation board moving forward to ensure that um everything that the complete stream.

Q

Is being advanced and being put on the budget? um One question I had is, I noticed, there's.

Q

A lot of construction going on on magnolia right now near downtown. It looks like it's a bwp utility.

Q

Project of some sort- and my question is: are the complete street elements of the wider sidewalks.

Q

Safer crossings is that going to be incorporated when the street is reconstructed and if not,.

Q

Why not, and how can we avoid that moving forward so that, when we're taking on these.

Q

Infrastructure projects like repaving or any utility work that the um streets are being.

Q

Repaid with the complete streets elements, um and then just another example, is I recently.

Q

Participated in the magnolia merchants association meeting where they were talking about.

Q

The need for that safer crossing there and they had met with some some members of from public.

Q

Works and there seemed to be some disconnect between the messages that were coming from public.

Q

Works and what was in the complete streets plan, um and so that's very concerning to me as well.

Q

I just want to make sure that everyone's on the same page and really knows what it's committed to.

Q

In the complete streets plan, um so that is those are my comments. Oh sorry, one other question is.

Q

You had mentioned that there used to be an ad hoc school safety um committee and I you know that's.

Q

The first time I've heard of that, and so was that something like what was that and then how is that.

Q

Is that something that could be reestablished moving forward, because um the safe routes to.

Q

School program is, is really a critical element of the complete streets plan, and so that would.

Q

Be a wonderful way to make sure that that element of the complete streets plan is moving forward.

B

Thank you. um Do we have any responses from staff regarding these questions and comments.

E

I saw chair mckenna unmute and I wasn't sure if he was going to address.

E

He just wanted full safety, this, the school's the mo the first two weeks of school established.

C

Patterns, good patterns and bad patterns and burbank police door does a wonderful job of.

C

I'm going to use this word and it's going to be misinterpreted, but.

C

Of over policing, they're very attentive, the first two weeks of school to help establish.

C

Those patterns and what we would do is we would assign two or three people to go to each school.

C

And help observe this and see if there was something um that needed that needed to be.

C

Addressed and one of those things is on orange, grove and mariposa, there's a four there's a well.

C

It's a t, so it's but there's now a stop sign there that stop sign. Wasn't there even 24 months ago.

C

um And that came from mrs wong, uh the principal of disney elementary school asking for it. There's a.

C

On the corner of oak and myers, there's a four-way stop that came from parents, signing a petition.

C

And coming forth so again, that's a very good question. I don't know if that's transportation.

C

I believe it is, or if it's iob or if it's a combination of both, I would think that the best.

C

Way to handle that would be a combination of both, but I would say, come august we should establish.

C

Some type of an ad hoc committee to go out there and observe and to speak to, like I said mrs taylor,.

C

At the time was at bret hart and because my wife happened to be teaching there for a year.

C

She knew me and she made a phone call. She was a principal of a school and she didn't.

C

Know who to call when school started tomorrow and there were no sidewalks, no no crosswalks.

C

That's absurd and what I was going to say earlier, that the value of these commissions and is look.

C

Around there's such a very different group of people, mr vanderbilt was just talking about.

C

20, 15 years ago, when my son was six years old playing at olive park, I had a different.

C

Perspective on park, as a as a member of the commission and um and as ken talked about.

C

Living back east, I think traffic mediums in the middle of glen oaks boulevard and olive and glen.

C

Kenneth, I think that would slow traffic down. I grew up on the east coast.

C

So um I I agree with that, but I think that the value of these commissions.

C

Is the fact that every one of us comes from a different walk of life? And, frankly, when I talk.

C

To my scouts about leadership, they say: what's the most important part of being our commission.

C

And I said listening because if I'm listening to people and telling you the frustrations.

C

They're coming to me with, then we've accomplished something if nothing else, that person was hurt.

C

So uh but I would, if that's something maybe we can put on our agenda today as we leave, but I would.

C

Like a joint commission committee, like mr google pointed out of both of our uh maybe two and two.

C

Get assigned to each school and during those first two weeks, two weeks of school in august, uh because.

C

That's when traffic patterns are established, I will now mute myself again. Mr mcdougall.

B

Okay, thank you, mr mckenna. It sounds like did you make a motion, mr mckenna, I.

B

Wasn't sure if it was an official emotion or if it was more of that I'll make a motion on our.

C

On our uh future agenda items because I don't know if it's appropriate to make a joint motion so.

B

Yes, mr mitchell, you had something you wanted to say. He said he wasn't going to make a motion.

E

Now this is not agendized for a motion on a school safety. It would, it could be a future.

E

Agenda got it okay, so hold that thought. Mr mckenna, for the the item on the agenda.

B

Okay, um yes, so uh a commissioner with regard to the complete streets uh mr chrisky, is, is here cdd.

F

And public works work very closely together to make sure those are getting done. They're a high.

F

Priority for council, they were just adopted the program, the plan, just after I got here. So it's.

F

What a year and a half there are already three projects that are in you can see them in our.

F

Capital improvement program we consider them even with every land development uh project, major land.

F

Development project that comes through so there are many ways we can implement those.

F

And we are seeking and doing them um whether the commission receives a quarterly update on those.

F

Specifically is up to the commission. uh The iob by the code receives quarterly updates on the capital.

F

Improvement program so they see those projects in the works, so um that is a way for commissioners.

F

To see what's going on as well, could we pretty attentive to us transportation? Commission, sorry.

Q

Did you repeat that, I'm sorry is it possible for the transportation commission to receive that.

Q

Update as well, it's a it's a public document; okay, so so what we've talked about um on our commission.

G

Which I'm I I've been a little delayed with it, but I'm working towards what um ms klauskas have.

G

Mentioned is having some sort of periodic update uh with our commission. To you know we have this.

G

Policy document it's in place, the council set it as a priority. Okay, here's how we're implementing.

G

It here is where we're at whether it's with cdd or public works or both, uh and then here are.

G

Then here is the opportunity to identify future priorities within the plan so that as projects get.

G

Completed uh the commission is more at the earlier stage of recommending the next priority. The other.

G

Area that we haven't talked about- which I think would be valuable, is, as mr burkman mentioned,.

G

It's not all capital city projects where this is getting implemented. It's important that the.

G

Policies are also being directed at all the the private development uh and making sure that our.

G

Guidelines and requirements in the complete streets plan are getting translated into.

G

um Into objective standards, this is important with projects like, for example, pickwick, where.

G

We have very limited ability to ask for stuff if the project is meeting all of the.

G

Code municipal code, we can't just ask for extra stuff and the complete streets plan is a plan. But.

G

It's not a code yet so how can we translate some of those um guidelines into objective standards.

G

That we can apply to every project, whether it's a plan, development or a ministerial project. So.

G

That's the other area where I think there needs to be some discussion uh to make sure that the.

G

Complete streets plan can be implemented not just on the city city's infrastructure backs, but.

G

Also on private development so and then the final step of it- and this is probably the trickiest- is.

G

How do we measure our success so we're building the projects and we're moving through the list.

G

Is safety improving or is it not and if not, then what can we do.

G

To pivot to to ensure that- and so um it's hard with safety statistics, because you have to really.

G

Pour over them and kind of interpret them, and you can't see trends, safety trends quickly.

G

Because, uh thankfully you know accidents aren't I mean there's a lot but there's not so many that.

G

That you see a trend, but how can we measure the complete streets plan talks about how we should.

G

Measure our performance uh and I think the commission could be a place where we review.

G

How we're doing uh to then, you know, send the advice up to the council.

B

Great, thank you did that um address your your questions, miss colossus. Well, I guess.

Q

Yeah I mean the other. Only other issue is just like how.

Q

Moving forward the I mean, maybe this has been addressed but like my example of the magnolia.

Q

Boulevard utility project that's going on and whether or not complete streets elements are going.

Q

To be incorporated in that, when they repave the street there, because it's going to cost us longer.

Q

In the in the long run, to do these as separate projects as opposed to coordinating up front.

E

So, madam sheriff, I can just um that that is not that project is a stormwater compliance.

E

Project that resulted out of a clean water act enforcement action. The funds were.

E

The funding, as as you folks uh know, is uh narrowly limited to trying to um separate and reconfigure.

E

uh Stormwater drains uh specifically drains separating magnolia boulevard surface drains from.

E

The um magnolia power plant surface drainage system. I don't believe it has any component.

E

And is on a time frame uh frankly, to to meet um the requirements of the litigation.

E

Rather than to do street planning, so I realize those requirements seem disjointed, they are.

E

Disjointed, because this is a very specific purpose uh to to satisfy regulatory requirements.

E

And and I'm sorry, it's not any better plan than that, I will say um miss colossus brings.

G

Up a good point, maybe not specifically with that replacement, but here's a direct intersection so.

G

Iob overseas and recommends on an you know: eight plus million dollar street resurfacing program.

G

uh And and and that's a great opportunity to update the roadway striping to complete streets.

G

Plan to make sure that that that you you're putting it in when you resurface the street and.

G

We are doing better in that regard at the staff level, but I think there's always room for.

G

Improvement to make sure okay uh winona just got repaved. What does complete street say about it or.

G

uh And oh because if you do it as a separate project and you grind off all the striping.

G

It looks nasty, it costs a lot. It's disruptive, but you've got this blank canvas of asphalt.

G

Let's make sure that our bike plan, our complete streets plan, reflects uh the new the new, the new.

G

Striping um verdugo was probably the earliest example where we had that coordination uh where.

G

A portion was restriped and, and the council at the time said, wait. Why uh aren't we implementing.

G

uh The bike master plan and that started a whole conversation, so uh we're getting better from those.

G

Days many years ago, but that could be an opportunity for coordination and mr christie knows.

F

We are collaborating on that uh for the members of the public, um it's not as simple as just slapping.

F

Down some paint right: if you are redoing lanes and adding lanes or bike lanes or potential, we.

F

Have to consider the neighborhood and is a part of a master plan, so there's bike master plans and.

F

Another things that we need to consider, so we do discuss these things and we are doing better.

F

At that, and it's a great point uh and to mr mcdougall's point utility work, can't wait.

F

For paving so certain things have to happen, but we do consider those complete streets elements.

F

With every project we can and the transportation commission would hear about those major efforts.

F

Through mr crisky and the iob would hear about that as we develop our capital plans each year.

F

With them, so we're definitely getting the message out there and it sounds like we can do better.

B

Thank you does that.

B

Answer your address here, okay, great! Thank you all right. Next up, we have mr vanderbort's hand, is up.

B

And you're on mute, yes,.

M

Sorry, madam chair, my mouse went to sleep. I guess it kind of tells you how long we've been at this.

M

I had to unplug it and reconnect it. um I have absolutely zero items to discuss that, for me are.

M

Music to my ears, what I have heard all this evening, but none of it has anything to do with.

M

Our agenda more or less, they are, however, a good example of why we're here tonight. You know, I think.

M

Mr jackson was incorrect. It hasn't been six months since we've been asking to get to this meeting.

M

If we go back, mr burkman will probably find it on the agenda, or maybe perhaps he placed it on.

M

The agenda when he arrived, because this came up as a question as to what can we as a as a board.

M

And infrastructure oversight board discussed with respect to traffic safety issues. More specifically,.

M

And I know mr mcdougall was kind of has been kind enough to um help us a little bit with.

M

The idea of keeping in mind that safety is a component of all aspects of the infrastructure.

M

Projects in the city, I love what the transportation commission does and I applaud.

M

Your efforts, however, we need to get out of this meeting here with a better or more clear direction.

M

Because I I'm not sure that you know staff has told us what our roles and responsibilities are.

M

Any more than we we knew them before. You know, and if I had to summarize where I am as a member of.

M

The infrastructure oversight board is that I would very much like us to continue. No excuse me to.

M

Start because we never have gotten to this point, placing items on the agenda that have to do with.

M

Traffic safety and certainly coordination with the transportation commission.

M

um I mean we we're what, on our third year, almost of a of an oversight board, and this is the first.

M

Time we even are beginning to have an opportunity to hear the what someone said. Mr crispy said: sort.

M

Of the weeds you know discuss whether or not there should be signage on on chandler.

M

Or whether or not uh we need cameras or whether or not you know these programs, how are they going to.

M

Be implemented the complete streets, etc. So, as a board member for the infrastructure recite board.

M

I want to make certain that what comes out of this meeting is not so much whether or not we should.

M

Have signs on chandler boulevard on the bike path, which I totally wholeheartedly agree with.

M

Mr mckenna and they're desperately needed not only for uh for helmets, but for the way crazy.

M

People no longer stop. You know, bicycles, no longer stop at the stop signs. I think you.

M

Know it's been so long ago that uh there were we had actually police enforcement at the beginning.

M

And that you know we're just long forgotten, but to make a long story short. What I want us to do.

M

Tonight is what's on our agenda, which is to decide how do we as an infrastructure oversight, board.

M

With the uh accommodation of the transportation commission, where we don't step on their toes.

M

And we don't necessarily ask staff to do additional work. We get to the point where.

M

We can add to our agenda specific traffic safety issues. I mean long ago. I have been.

M

Asking to discuss issues related to the timing of of signalization, and you know.

M

It just kind of got pushed aside until this meeting came to pass, so I'm leaving this meeting.

M

With the expectation that, as an infrastructure oversight board member, we will have an opportunity.

M

To ask through mr parkman for staff's efforts to respond to specific issues of concern and I'm.

M

Sure, mr bergman will guide us as to you know where or how it can fit into our agenda or whether how.

M

Or and when mr chrisky would be willing to uh add his uh expertise, because mr christie participates.

M

In almost every meeting, he's kind enough to to sit in and listen in and add, sometimes so that's.

M

What I'm uh seeing here tonight, madam chair, it's not so much whether or not we you know we should.

M

Discuss what's happening on magnolia, um certainly that was never on the agenda tonight. So I think.

M

We've gone very far afield of our agent that we've gotten into the weeds, but I think you know I hope.

M

That there is a emotion if there's not emotion, that is an understanding from staff.

M

That the infrastructure of a site board does want to participate in issues of traffic safety.

M

And uh have its a better uh coordinated effort to work with the to support the transportation.

M

Commission, specifically, you know ms kaluskas talks about the complete streets plans, which you know I.

M

I almost can stand up and give you innovation. For that I love it. I hope that we, that you can tell.

M

Us precisely what kind of funding you need you know, I, I think that's the kind of project that.

M

Should show up in next year's infrastructure, you know capital improvement plan. Now, that's.

M

Just me speaking, I'm one by the way, one one of seven whose vote may or may not come to.

M

Help somebody, but if we're able to put it on our agenda, we can discuss it and I think other.

M

Board members may agree and certainly entitled to disagree and have other priorities and staff can.

M

Can help us through this and I'm sure I hope I haven't rambled too much, but I think that we need.

M

To get to the point of where we finished our the purpose of this joint meeting was, and hopefully.

M

Someone from the transportation commission can also summarize how they best see the efforts.

M

That our board can uh add to theirs, which I think would maybe have summarized it a little.

M

Bit with respect to funding issues and also how not to waste time staff's time um going over the.

M

Same thing, I have always said that there's a reason: mcdonald's advertises the big mac.

M

Over and over everybody knows what a big mac is, but the truth of the matter by the way is that.

M

You know mr bergman uh discusses the the council is going to be reviewing. Apparently, our memo.

M

In another week or so I have no idea because I don't watch the council meetings. Maybe I.

M

Should but I don't- and I suspect that I'm not the minority, I'm the majority so for sure we.

M

Want to have updates and right now we don't have them right now we don't discuss complete plans.

M

And and again it's not a question of adding to our meeting an awful lot of time, but it's allowing us.

M

If you know, staff agrees and google agrees, the opportunity to add issues related to traffic.

M

Safety onto our agenda again, subject to the same efforts: we've always had that other board members.

M

Would agree, the majority would agree to ask for staff's input and then staff can respond at the.

M

Appropriate time, thank you, madam chair. Thank you, madam chair. I'd like to respond. If, yes, if possible,.

F

So uh the board member vanderbort- and I had this conversation uh publicly in our meeting and it's.

F

Rel it's relevant to this tonight because if I'm hearing the idea correctly, um it is uh perfectly.

F

Appropriate, I think, for example, for the board or commission um to ask about program or policy level.

F

uh Decisions or information from staff, for example, how do we time our traffic signals.

F

Mr you can give a dissertation on that, uh if requested, I don't think it's appropriate for.

F

The board to say I would like more walk time at olive and third, so that's that's the that's.

F

The easy demising line, where it's like a staff individual direction from almost an individual.

F

Board member same way, commission mr chrisky correct me: if it's a bad example, but.

F

um Talk to us about our bus, our transit lines and plans for the future, as opposed to.

F

I would like to hear about um how long every bus is supposed to you know. Line 12 is supposed to.

F

Stop at olive in third, so those are the two examples I don't I'm. We are absolutely more.

F

Than happy to talk about programs and policies and bring the recommendations and advice of the.

F

Board and the commission to counsel, but I caution um and and pause at individual.

F

Small requests and project- I think, that's into the weeds too much to.

F

Take mr uh chrisky's first line when we started so I thank you for the opportunity.

B

And it looks like mr mcdougall wants to follow up as well on that item.

E

Yes, madam chair to mr vanderbort's point, I will just say very clearly: neither board has been.

E

Delegated authority over traffic safety, the word safety does not appear in your powers and dudes.

E

What is in, there is to perform such advisory functions as are delegated to it.

E

I think either board could, but the question becomes which.

E

And so I think it's appropriate for the board to agendize, and I see mr vanderbort is searching.

E

I I could be wrong, but I I've highlighted it and, and so my point is, I think it is.

E

Appropriate at least once for each commission to agendize a traffic safety issue or even.

E

For staff to take this issue, you know time permitting priority permitting to counsel and say.

E

These two bodies, in the absence of the traffic commission, are chomping at the bit to give.

E

Direction and take public input on traffic safety. Neither has expressly been delegated the authority.

E

And, and- and I certainly yield uh you know to mr berkman on the issue of specific programs.

E

Of course, these are advisory bodies and they're, not making individual engineering decisions.

E

But I I think, there's there's a great deal of overlap and it's certainly possible, but for both.

E

To continuously agendize traffic safety is going to be sending at least three staff in each.

E

Department doing duplicate work or the same people appearing at multiple meetings to have the same.

E

Conversation with two different bodies, giving the same or different advice to counsel, and so there's.

E

I think there's overlap and I think certainly there's at least one discussion and I think.

E

um That the former council member and former mayor would would not disagree. The council needs to set.

E

A priority so that staff time is is efficient and the council gives direction on which body should.

E

Provide be providing the advice: where does the public know to go, I mean, should they go to traffic.

E

Transportation, commission, because uh you know mr mckenna's got some juice to get striping done on a.

E

Monday morning, the first day of the school district, I would go I'd go to his body or you know.

E

Do they go to uh infrastructure oversight board because they're looking at 27 million dollars.

E

Worth of improvements, and they want to make sure, there's a line item in there, which one do I go to.

E

You know who, where is my input or do I have to go to both and and so I think, it's appropriate.

E

To agendize, um but I think we also need staff needs some clear direction on where, where does.

E

Staff put their efforts and so I'd love to see the word. Safety traffic safety very clearly demarcated.

E

In one or the other, now it's clear to me if it's in transportation, commission and it's a project.

E

That is going to rely on measure p funding. It's also going to show up in front of infrastructure.

E

Oversight board for priority, if it's also, I don't know, actually, if it's a project, that's.

E

Going to use measure our money, if transportation commission actually gets into that level of detail.

E

Or if you're really up at a tall categorical level, so without going on any further, I'm sorry.

E

um I think we staff needs clarity, so we can also focus the support. I think it's appropriate under.

E

The perform such advisory functions as our delegated, that is identical language for both.

E

But I think we need some direction from council. Likewise, where, where is the public supposed to go.

E

And you know, does council want the in? Do we they want to open up the channel.

E

And have one of these bodies be the primary focus and discussion, uh and, and so you know,.

E

Speaking from a staff perspective, I think that's what we would be looking for for direction.

B

That's, that's wonderful! Thank you. So how do we follow up with that? Then.

B

I think I saw a lot of heads nodding in when you were saying that um to have that clarity of where.

B

Traffic safety is addressed, so what would be the next step on getting direction from council or.

B

Having staff clarity or how would that work? Do we do? We then move on to make a memo like we had for.

B

The previous item: do we, how do you, what do you suggest so as the member who is not staffed for.

E

Either board, I would say, there's two ways: it can proceed. Either staff can prepare a joint.

E

uh You know staff report to council on traffic safety. These two boards are concerned.

E

And there's not clear authority in the code for which one you know, uh staff take that forward.

E

To council or each board have its own agendaized item on traffic safety and then that could also.

E

Get forwarded uh to the council, I think those are two different ways, um but as an ongoing item.

E

It I think it presents confusion to the public and to staff on which board do they focus on.

E

If council hasn't given clear direction agreed um for this particular topic, does somebody have.

B

Who has their hand raised want to talk on this topic and mr lewis yeah? I had um a crazy idea and.

P

Maybe somebody could tell me- and we got a lawyer or a couple, so we can tell us if it's legal or.

P

Not um ms murphy calls in almost every meeting I didn't want to take any thunder away, but she.

P

But she's a member of the uh burbank uh council on disability and she's appointed herself as someone.

P

Who calls then, and that gave me inspiration to think why can't we just either officially or.

P

Unofficially, appoint someone I'll volunteer myself to be the liaison to the infrastructure oversight.

P

Board so that I know, or one of the commissions knows what's going on and then can either speak.

P

As a public member, clearly as not a board member but to be knowledgeable and to be able to talk.

P

On on the items with some authority, uh because I do agree that I don't want to burden staff with.

P

Duplicative measures and that's does nobody any good um and and another thing I would.

P

um I actually want to echo uh what mr mcdougall was saying and that perhaps that we would create.

P

A joint um resolution or separately in our next meetings, put together something to city.

P

Council saying who should get this responsibility we're concerned? We want clear direction from this.

P

Please delegate, as the municipal code says, who gets this responsibility, um but I think in the.

P

Interim having one of us, or maybe a couple of us, volunteer to join each other's meetings.

P

Might be a great thing for a lot of different commission boards. You know what we're all doing.

P

Since we do have some overlap um because I'll admit, I only attend uh uh sparsely the the city.

P

Council meetings, but I think if we have some kind of representation for each other, that.

P

Will have open communication, uh I don't know if that's a brown act, violation or not if we make it.

P

Unofficial, that's that's kind of what I was asking the legality of it. If we just agree to do it as.

P

Opposed to officially do it as a committee but having that relationship, and they can be helpful.

B

Yeah, I'm pretty other other commissions. Do that um there's liaisons from the sustainability.

B

Commission to other ones I forget, um or the cultural arts, to public arts and there's they do.

B

Do that they do cross cross pollinate, as somebody had mentioned earlier, um so I think that um I, like.

B

That idea a lot um and I'm wondering uh again, mr mcdougall: how would that proceed? Would someone.

B

Make an agenda item to select somebody at the next meeting or if we were interested in doing that.

B

um First of all, safety does appear in the purpose of infrastructure oversight board, but not in the.

E

Powers to be intellectually honest with uh member vanderboard um in terms of liaison normally.

E

Like with sustainability boards and commissions have a liaison to sustainability, we need to think.

E

About that you know, I certainly don't want to delay the importance. Of course, any member.

E

Can attend less than a majority can attend? uh You know a body and participate in the agenda.

E

And, as mr lewis indicated, you would be as an individual because there wasn't.

E

You know a unified message, or you know, from from your body, to represent necessarily.

E

But I think really to eliminate the confusion. There should be some formal direction.

E

um Of course, you can attend and as long as the items falls within your agenda, an agenda item.

E

um But I don't see you having an agenda item on what iob did or iob have an an agenda item on what.

E

Transportation did, although um does the cip include line items for prop a prop c and measure r.

F

Only in oh was that rhetorical, no I'm asking only in the um capital program when they consider.

F

We see funding sources. I I I like the idea, uh commissioner lewis and uh mr mcdougall, like my my.

F

Thinking out loud here, um if each body could um agendize and nominate a specific liaison to each.

F

Other's body and add an agenda item to their agenda kind of like council, says reports back.

F

To what they you know, it would be a specific item for the infrastructure oversight board.

F

Report from liaison regarding transportation, commission meeting, maybe that's a way to make.

F

Sure both bodies hear what each other's uh doing. So, generally speaking, I um I don't like open-ended.

E

Reports like that, uh because the representative likely has something very important to say.

E

And the public doesn't know what that is, because the agenda item is report from liaison for iob. It.

E

Could be anything right, it could be a particular intersection or it could be an entire program.

E

So so so I find that problematic from a notice to the public perspective.

F

But if I may, could they introduce an agenda item on a topic they heard in attendance.

F

So it can be discussed at the next meeting. Yes, that could take a couple.

E

Meetings now I'm going to pause here and ask mr twin: if he actually had a comment.

E

Because it looked like his mouth opened and he was about ready to weigh in on something.

I

uh Thanks joe, uh I actually did wanted to point out something that is in the code for.

I

The infrastructure oversight board um and one of the sections does talk about liaisons with council.

I

For those of you who want to look it up, it's section 2-1, that's 426, b3,.

I

So, at least for the infrastructure oversight board, there seems to be some direction from council that.

I

The liaisons with councils will be council members, and that was their preference. uh Now I didn't.

I

See the same thing for uh the transportation commission, um but I I do share uh your concern.

I

uh If you designate a liaison to talk to everybody well, there has to be an agendaized discussion.

I

Because you're able to be able to inform that liaison what to say. um But if that might be a.

I

Very cumbersome tool um because you're gonna have to formally have that discussion every single time.

I

You want to communicate something to the city council. Now any member of the commission or.

I

The board could also talk to the council members individually as well. You know if.

I

They have separate individual concerns, um but if it's something that is going to be consensus,.

I

To the board or the the commission, then I think that you would have to generalize it and that it.

I

Has to be specific in the uh item to counsel as well, so that might be a very cumbersome process.

B

On the you know, I think it might be worth I think it might be. I don't want to go too much into the.

B

Detail of how this would work because again that would be going off the agenda item tonight. I think.

B

But um I I would mr lewis, I I believe I think it's a good idea and I I'm gonna add that to.

B

My request later for agenda, so if you edit, we could both add it and then our next meetings.

B

We can hash out the details, how's that sound sounds good. Thank you. Okay, um mr vanderbort,.

M

Thank you, madam chair. I think to get us to the point that we conclude this discussion.

M

Can we rather than wait another 30 days to what has already been a very long process here? Can we.

M

Just extend the recommendation from our board and perhaps the the transportation commission will do.

M

The same they don't have to, but from our board to the council, but that's the because we're supposed.

M

To receive staff presentation and provide input on the roles and responsibilities, each body is.

M

Assigned that's after they provide us our roles and responsibilities, and here we are two hours.

M

Later still scratching our heads, so can we just simply ask the council to clarify how traffic.

M

Safety issues should be addressed by both boards. We might as well just bite the bullet ask and we.

M

May very well get a a very clear direction. If we don't, then we'll continue. You know mr berkman has.

M

Made clear that as board, he feels comfortable that as board members, we can discuss policy.

M

Issues related to to the safety of infrastructure at large, mr mcdougall, not necessarily only traffic.

M

But traffic is part of the infrastructure. Excuse me, the the infrastructure supports the traffic.

M

Movement, so uh can we do that manchester and move forward and then we can get to all the incidental.

M

Added agenda items that I think have sort of been spawned by our by our great discussions. Yeah can.

B

We do that tonight, mr mcdougall, mr berkman, can we ask tonight to get direction from council? Yes,.

B

So does that does that require a motion from all of us to do that or how does that work?.

B

And how's that does it require a motion and a vote from all of us to agree on that. Or do we.

B

Just simply, we have now relayed to you the desire to do that and then that happens well.

E

To be clear, each board could make a motion the motion so you're responding to the presentation.

E

And the lengthy discussion um does each board wish to have it and the motion could be.

E

Blank board wishes to to uh take up traffic safety discussions uh and we request further council.

E

Direction or we don't, we don't want to discuss traffic safety. We want the other board to have.

B

Mr vanderburgh, do you want to make a motion on uh what you would like to the council to consider on.

B

On the issue of traffic safety, for us sure, madam chair, um I would move that the our board.

M

Request clarification from council as to which board or commission they wish to have.

M

Be the lead board for traffic safety matters? I I'm not, you know, I'd be glad to take it on. I think we.

M

Would all enjoy it and I think the transportation commission commission is equally capable.

M

Perhaps more so than we are by by any general expectation. So I would just simply say that we.

M

Want clarification, because here we are, you know this- is the we've been asking for this.

M

And so, at the end of the day, staff feels that we don't necessarily have a very clear direction. So.

M

Let's ask the council to give us one, at least for the infrastructure of our site board. Okay,.

B

Great, thank you. Do you have a second from the oversight, infrastructure oversight, board members.

B

Miss rochelle is that a hand to say you're, seconding, yeah, okay, her mouse fell asleep as well.

B

He did all right. um Do we, I think, um do we have, let's see with one two, we have a quorum still, one.

N

Yes, maria coronado, she left the meeting early um greg jackson. He also left the meeting early.

D

Vanessa, rochelle yeah, thank you, tamala takahashi, yes and jeff. Vanderport.

D

Yes, thank you, um mr mckenna, would you like to um have the same process with your commission as well.

C

uh Yes, I would make the motion that the safety responsibilities are clarified between which.

C

We uh between which commission our board is responsible I'll. Second, that.

G

uh I'll I'll do the roll um uh mr lewis.

K

Yes, uh miss velasquez, yes, ms adams, yes, um mr mckenna, yes and I believe mr carrier.

G

Has left earlier, but that's still four, so we have vote past four in favor and three absent.

Q

Thank you great. Thank you.

B

All right any more comments or questions about the item presented before we move on to.

B

Our last I just want to thank the so many members of the iob for pointing out that.

C

You've been asking for this more than six months. uh Tamala and I've talked about it before, and we.

C

Have talked about it for six months and I'm glad that we're finally here and I the most important.

C

Thing is it's not a matter of territory, it's a matter of getting a job, the job done and.

C

Wanting to be productive, so thank you very much for putting this together.

B

I'd like to echo mr mckenna's um comments that I also appreciate coming together tonight and.

B

Discussing this- and I also I'm at the of the opinion that clarity is the most important.

B

Part and the goal of this of this meeting and I appreciate the efforts on everybody's part to.

B

Get to get there so thank you yeah I mean when I was on the traffic commission. I was probably the.

C

Only person that actually wanted to slow traffic down, because I safety was my number one concern.

C

And uh so thank you for finally bringing it to the forefront great. Thank you. I think we had a.

B

Very productive long as mr vanderbilt pointed out, but I think it was also very productive meeting.

B

um And uh thank you paul for being here. So, let's move on to item h, which is the introduction of.

B

Additional agenda items: if that's okay, mr berkman, you good; okay, yes, ma'am, um and so let's start with.

B

Infrastructure oversight board folks, first and then we'll move on to transportation. Okay, so.

B

Would any of the board members like to uh make a request for future agenda items at this point.

B

Mr vanderbort, uh madam chair, um I'm just simply going to convey what was discussed earlier. That is.

M

That we as an agenda, is the opportunity to consider assigning.

M

If staff finds it appropriate liaison from our board to the transportation commission.

B

Thank you. I would second that ask for the agenda item. Okay, great, thank you. Anyone else miss.

B

Rachelle, mr brennan, okay, I have uh I'm sorry. Oh I I'll defer, but I do have an additional item as.

F

Well, madam chair, okay, um I I don't know if this is an agenda item or just something to consider, but.

B

I very much appreciated this meeting tonight and I think that it would be valuable to put in both.

B

Of our schedules, a regular joint meeting between these two bodies, be it what's once a year once you.

B

Know bi-annually, um I guess it'd be semi-annually semi-annually, um but at regular uh expected we.

B

Know at this time we will meet together, because this this was an opportunity for us to co, to.

B

Figure out, even though we're gonna have liaisons and and potentially have other ways to connect.

B

That this is this was a great opportunity to bring these two groups together on understanding how we.

B

Can work better together, um so is that something that we need to agendize to talk about next time.

B

About possibly doing that or how does that, would that be the most appropriate approach to that.

B

Okay, I'm stumped. Okay, I'm going to make a motion that we agenda in the next meeting.

B

Discussing possibly creating a a regular joint meeting with the transportation commission.

B

Mr brennan did you second, yes I'll. Second, that.

D

Thank you all right. Did you have another item too, mr berkman? Yes, um I for the next meeting.

F

uh A small one of discussion of the location for in-person iob meetings.

B

Is next month, however, going to be in person, yes, and that would be in the chamber? Okay, so we would.

B

Have this item you're asking us to discuss, will be discussed in the chamber about whether we.

B

Want to stay in the chamber, correct! Okay! That's fine! For me! Anyone else have a comment on that.

B

Okay, mr brennan, did you have an item that you wanted to bring forward all right.

N

Just a real quick item, um whoever I just think you were talking to safety tonight, um whoever.

N

Was responsible for putting extra stop signs in on sunset canyon, road up in the hills here.

N

I want to thank you very much. I mean uh it just happened a couple weeks ago I was like this is.

N

Great you're talking about slowing down traffic, yes, we know speed, bumps are kind of. I don't know.

N

People don't like them very much, but it made this dislike, stop size even more because they.

N

Really have to stop and for those of us who do get up in the morning and walk our dogs or.

N

Just go for the walk, because it's nice between the hours of 6, 30 and 9., it's great to have the.

N

Traffic slow down because there are no sidewalks on sunset, canyon and so it's kind of hazardous. The.

N

Way some people drive, so I can say, but so thank you very much appreciate it. It was probably mr.

N

Well, whoever it is. Thank you very much. That's all I can say mr hyde mckenna hikes in those.

C

Hills too, or at least he tried when he was preparing for his rocky mountain adventure,.

B

To be honest, mr brennan, that was not on the agenda item. However, I will allow it since it was a great.

B

One just want to say thank you so much, um mr mckenna, we're still doing the um iob. Did you.

B

Have somebody I was going to ask you if we could consider a joint agenda item? Oh, how does okay.

C

Because it's because it is may- which means there's only going to be two more meetings for either our.

C

Commission before school starts and uh everyone seemed to be excited at the back to school safety.

C

uh Committee and I'm looking ironically um three of us, my wife and two children.

C

Are in the same classroom, uh so we have obviously had to have an inroad at one.

C

At one school but, like I said, our value is our is our spread in the community and between.

C

You and I possibly, we can set something up where we have people that make contact with each school.

C

And what we did in the past was we sent an email out to every principal and frankly, some didn't.

C

Respond but the some but the ones that did respond. We responded with enthusiasm and it was, and we had.

C

Some positive uh some positive input so, like I said it's may so. This is something that we have.

C

To uh agenda gen dies for for june, if we're going to implement it in july, I'm sorry: what are you.

B

What is your motion to agenda? My motion would be to have a uh a a safe routes. A combined committee.

C

Safe routes to school uh to meet with administrators from the schools that requested it.

E

So you're requesting an agenda item for may to talk about for june. Sir join me.

E

To talk about doing a joint meeting on school safety, but the individual commissions is to.

C

Talk about assigning, maybe possibly two or whoever's interested to it to uh and we'll be.

C

At the june meeting since we're well you're right, I apologize we're in may we're not in may in may.

C

So that way we can talk to the principals or the schools. We can send it out before the schools.

E

So we we, you need to you're just agendizing the discussion you're, not having the discussion right.

B

Okay, so so that would mean that our board and your commission would both agendize that.

B

Discussion for our individual meetings right and and hope and hopefully accept volunteers.

C

um That would be interested in spending a couple of mornings, um observing drop off and pick up and.

C

See whatever the school administrators would like us to communicate with the school okay, this is.

B

The potential subcommittee- yes, I apologize mr berman, that's the word that I was looking for.

C

Thank you. Thank you. um What uh the iob members like to pursue that on the agenda.

B

Mr brennan, yes, yes, sir vanderbort, yes, okay, so um I guess.

B

Mr brendan well, um can you officially make that and ask for the agenda item for our iob.

N

Yes, I'd like to agendize the fact of putting a committee together to join with the.

N

Transportation, commission ready to send volunteers out to watch the.

N

Children being delivered to school, a safety school safety subcommittee right. Okay, thank you all right.

B

I think that's all we have for iob now all right moving on mr mckenna, if you want to go through the.

B

Same process with your board members: well, my uh my first one was uh school safety. Joint subcommittee.

C

My second one, I think you have to officially make that uh gen dies item in your group, though,.

C

Yeah, so I'm gonna make a motion for it to be a generalized item for the transportation commission.

C

Can I get a second I'll stack it all right. So where are we good with that? Mr grisky yeah I'll.

C

Do the uh I'll, I guess I'll, do the roll of the vote. uh Mr lewis? Yes, uh miss kolaskas.

G

uh She manchester, I think she stepped away for a second uh ms adams,.

E

Yes, okay, if she stepped away you don't have a corner yeah. We don't have a quorum.

C

Okay, hopefully she's coming back well, while waiting for her were we supposed to do the.

B

Same thing for our we, never I don't know we never vote on new agendas. We it's a.

G

It's a anyone, can ask for it: okay, okay, so, okay great! So we get that! Thank you for david frost.

C

And second, I would like to- and I know, but we can't do anything right now, because we only have.

G

Three, we don't have quorum: okay, you're, not you're, not meeting all right! Well, all right! Well, unless.

E

This is the problem with turning off cameras. We can only allow.

E

It up to a forum and then right, I understand.

C

Well, my other, my other one was- and I know that I'm going to get support from mr lewis on this- is that.

C

I it frustrates me, is she back or she left, we lost her completely. I believe she's gone there.

E

Is no more transportation commission because you don't have a quorum all right, understood.

E

Madam chair, we now only have an iob needed. Okay. Would the iob like to uh allow for a couple.

B

Minutes to wait to see if the transportation commission has a quorum before we wrap up our.

B

Meeting or I think she's off camera she's gone like, but I appreciate the patreon okay I'd like.

G

To make, I guess it's technically only to the iob, but I just like to make a point out for the next.

G

uh Commission agenda uh the next transportation commission meeting: that's on the agenda.

G

Is incorrect, it's actually uh may uh just a second it's the third monday, not the fourth monday 16th.

G

It will be, may 16th not may 23rd and the reason I point this out is because uh we have an important.

G

Agenda, that's being noticed, we are considering a service change of our green route. This is.

G

The culmination of what we've been talking about over the last few months and it's the opportunity.

G

For public comment on that service change, I just want to make sure everybody has the right.

G

Date for that- and we will be also in person back in our old room 101 on the first floor.

G

uh And we will be having in-person and remote comments and we'll we'll figure out how that.

G

Works uh for the service change david. Thank you for tap dancing and waiting for rebecca to come.

C

Back so we can make emotion now, yes, um thank you. I would like to make a motion that we.

C

Put agenda as a school safety subcommittee that worked with work work jointly with the iob.

C

To be in effect by this fall, second and second, I know it's a safe route.

C

A street improvement project or anything, but I think that when I look at protected bike lanes.

C

And just like about the cones in the street uh in north hollywood, it just frustrates me that I think.

C

That, especially on our streets, like berdugo, that have bike lanes painted that that's something we.

C

Should be able to do okay, chair mckenna, I'm sorry you can't advocate! You can only ask.

C

Thank you can I can we ask to put that on the agenda to be to consider to consider that, yes,.

G

We actually it's come up with mr lewis before and uh our it was our intent to wrap it into.

G

Our upcoming complete streets, I'm sorry, what's the item uh protected by claims.

C

It is part of the complete structure, physical protection.

G

Yes, it'll, be this it'll be this summer. Thank you.

C

Any other members of the travel commission want to put something out there. Thank you for coming.

C

Back rebecca, we were almost closing down without you, sorry, my battery, mr mckenna, I don't believe.

B

That you, um I made an agenda item to ask for a liaison for coming over to our oh yeah I'll.

P

Get my idea I'll put that on the agenda.

P

Officially yeah, thank you, david and I'll. Second, that thank you. Thank you all right.

B

All right great, thank you, everybody for all of the discussion and ideas and bringing together.

B

Great minds: this was an excellent um time spent discussing these items, so if there is nothing else.

B

It's just it's. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It is such a joy to be working together.

C

Instead of having this anonymous uh other entity that we're told handles things that.

C

We don't know what to do with and- um and I like I said, mr bergman, I'm I'm the guy who wants to slow.

C

Traffic down, so you want to talk about, bulb outs or putting putting trees in the middle of streets.

C

uh I'm I'm in your corner, but thank you very much. I look forward to working with all of you.

B

So our next uh iob meeting will be on may 26 and the transportation commission was.

B

May 16th 16th may 16th in person, with virtual still virtual call-in ability. So thank you all.

B

For being here tonight and we'll see you all in may I'll see you wednesday, madam chair cheers.

A