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Burbank Police Commission Meeting - March 15, 2023
B
B
Thank
you
Mike,
so
the
public
comment
period
will
be
coming
up
in
a
few
minutes
to
speak
during
the
public
comment
period.
Members
me
of
the
public
may
speak
for
three
minutes
in
person
in
the
council
chamber
or
they
may
call
818-238-3335
members
of
the
public
who
attend
the
meeting
and
chamber
will
speak
first,
followed
by
those
voting
in
their
comments
and
I
know.
We
have
one
comment
card
already
and
if
there
are
other
comments
to
be
made,
please
approach
this
Nakamura
to
go
ahead
and
complete
another
card.
B
B
E
That's
the
parents
that
I
heard
from
were
families
of
color,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
raise
that
and
to
let
folks
know
that
there
is
a
Burbank
unified
meeting,
specifically
a
special
meeting
on
school
safety
on
Friday
at
6
PM.
So
that
may
be.
You
know
the
more
appropriate
venue
for
that,
but
it
as
it
does
concern
also.
E
B
F
Thank
you
good
evening,
chair
council
members
I'm
here
tonight,
as
a
parent,
but
not
for
on-campus
issues,
actually
off
campus
I
can't
say
for
the
whole
meeting.
Unfortunately,
I
got
to
go
to
open
house
at
Huerta,
Middle
School,
which
is
what
I'm
here
about
I'm
lucky
enough
to
be
able
to
have
locked
my
children
to
school.
F
For
the
last
few
years,
my
oldest
attended
elementary
near
our
home,
our
same
as
my
youngest
and
now
I'm
really
happy
to
be
able
to
walk
my
sixth
grader
to
school,
but
I'm
here,
because
there
is
a
bit
of
a
gap
in
I.
Think
some
of
the
follow-through
in
traffic
and
I
am
a
vice
chair
of
the
Transportation
Commission.
F
But
I
am
here
tonight
as
a
private
citizen,
and
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
decided
to
send
you
all
an
email
on
Thursday
with
some
video
evidence
that
I
took
is
I
wanted
to
follow
up
in
that
Lieutenant
frommer
came
to
transportation
and
talked
about
kind
of
like
the
circle
of
how
we
do
transportation
and
traffic
in
the
city.
We
do
design.
We
do
implementation
and
we
do.
Enforcement
of
folks
who
are
not
following,
and
the
intersection
of
Verdugo
and
Virginia
has
an
actual
upgraded
pedestrian
walkway.
F
Parents
and
other
interested,
like-minded
citizens
and
police
had
gone
and
kind
of
set
Transportation
patterns
for
the
first
two
weeks
of
school
and
I
think
that
there
is
a
direct
correlation
with
a
discontinuation
of
this
program
and
a
distinct
lack
of
care
and
duty
to
people
to
pedestrians
around
schools
in
that
people
have
changed
their
behaviors
after
the
pandemic.
They've
done
a
lot
more
driving
a
lot
more
aggressive
driving
and
we've
forgotten
that
other
people,
as
well
as
children
like
to
transport
to
school.
F
F
The
the
rules
of
the
road,
as
well
as
just
basic,
you
know,
call
it
courtesy
to
other
people,
so
I
hope
that
we
can
continue
this
dialogue
as
well
as
continue
to
work
with
citizens
in
the
neighborhood
and
people,
because
I'd
like
to
see
a
majority
of
students
walking
to
school
and
transporting
via
bikes
or
skateboards
or
whatever
non-
roadways,
and
not
see
a
three-quarters
of
a
mile
long
parking
lot
on
residential
streets.
While
people
try
to
drop
off
their
middle
schoolers
because
they're
afraid
and
I,
don't
blame
them.
F
B
B
D
Oh
yes,
sir
I'd
like
to
respond
to
Mr
Lewis.
As
always
thank
you
for
your
input.
I
would
like
to
point
out
the
commission
that
he
spoke
of.
We
were
on
the
Transportation
Commission
together,
but
that
can
that
safe
routes
to
school
was
part
of
the
traffic
commission
which
no
longer
exists
and
I
do
know.
There's
been
discussion
but
who's
going
to
pick
that
up,
but
I.
D
Just
don't
want
you
to
think
that
it
was
something
I
brought
forward
as
a
member
of
the
police
commission,
because
that
would
be
premature
at
this
point
since
we're
talking
about
it.
But,
as
you
very
well
know,
your
children
attended
my
wife's
school.
This
is
something
very
sensitive
to
all
of
us.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Paul
Roman.
G
Mr
Lewis,
thank
you
so
much
for
voicing
your
concerns.
As
a
parent
of
a
12
year
old
that
goes
to
John
Muir
Middle,
School
I,
completely
validate
what
you're
saying
I
mean
I
have
to
park
three
blocks
away:
walk
to
the
school
pick
up,
my
daughter
because
of
the
driving
behavior
of
some
of
the
parents
and
it's
dangerous.
You
know-
and
hopefully
this
can
be
addressed
and
I
really
appreciate
the
PD
and
what
they're
doing
to
look
into
it
but
yeah.
It's
definitely
an
issue.
G
E
Mr
Lewis
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
for
taking
your
time
to
come
down
and
share
your
concerns
with
us.
I
also
have
two
children,
small
children
in
USC
schools,
and
see
dangerous
driving
behavior
on
a
regular
basis.
Unfortunately,
but
I
also
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
we
do
have
a
subcommittee
that
is
working
on
some
of
these
types
of
safety
issues,
at
least
as
far
from
as
we
can
on
the
you
know,
police
and
enforcement
side
of
things,
so
I
will
definitely
follow
up
with
you
after
this
meeting.
Thank.
B
D
I
think
it
was
it's
in
July,
okay
and
because
we
wanted
to
move
it
up
because
because
we
did,
the
administrators
are
not
at
school.
He's
a
lie
right,
so
we
can't
so
we
you
and
I
had
spoken
offline
about
moving
it
up
so
that
we
can
talk
to
administrators
before
they
leave
for
the
school
year
right,
and
so
we
can
have
something
implemented
before
the
new
school
year
starts.
B
D
B
B
To
approve
the
minutes,
okay
and
we
have
a
second
from
Mike
all
in
favor,
approving
the
minutes,
all
right,
great
all
in
favor
yep.
Thank
you
all
right
now.
We
need
to
move
on
to
our
items
of
business.
So
the
first
item
of
business
this
evening
is
the
presentation,
discussion
and
action
if
any,
regarding
ab2147,
which
is
the
freedom
to
walk
act
in
conjunction
with
the
city's
Vision,
zero
efforts.
I
Good
evening,
commissioner
Coombs
members
of
the
I'm
sorry
chairman
Coombs
members
of
the
commission,
I'm
Sergeant
Fletcher
stone
with
the
Burbank
Police
Department
traffic
Bureau
I'll,
be
presenting
on
ab2147
the
freedom
to
walk
act
and
how
it
might
impact
a
proposed
Vision
zero
in
the
City
of
Burbank.
If
we
could
start
the
PowerPoint.
I
So
ab2147
was
introduced
by
assemblyn
Phil
tank
from
the
city
of
San
Francisco.
It
was
signed
into
law
by
Governor
Newsom
on
September
30th
2022
and
went
into
effect
January
1..
It
amended
several
statues
that
involved
the
duties
and
responsibilities
of
pedestrians
and
the
roadways
as
well
as
it
set
restrictions
upon
when
law
enforcement
can
conduct
enforcement
actions
against
people
that
may
violate
those
sections.
I
As
you
can
see,
there
are
several
sections
that
were
affected
by
this
legislative
change.
Some
of
it
was
just
mere
language.
The
the
meat
of
of
the
change
was
a
requirement
by
a
requirement
by
the
the
statute
that
says
that
a
law
enforcement
officer
cannot
conduct
a
stop
for
a
pedestrian
violation
unless
there
is
an
immediate
danger,
so
it
removes
the
ability
of
the
officer
to
see
somebody,
let's
say
jaywalking.
I
I
This
subdivision
does
not
relieve
The
Pedestrian
or
the
duty
of
using
do
care
for
their
safety,
and
this
subdivision
does
not
relieve
the
driver
of
a
vehicle
from
the
duty
to
exercise
and
do
care
of
any
for
the
safety
of
any
pedestrian
within
the
roadway.
So
what
ab2147
does
not
do
it
actually
does
not
legalize
jaywalking?
I
It
does
not
legalize
walking
against
science,
whether
it's
a
red
light,
solid
red
hand,
countdown
red
hand,
and
it
does
not
change
the
requirements
for
pedestrians
in
the
roadway.
The
problem
that
we're
running
into
is,
as
you
can
see
in
the
presentation
we
get
headlines
like
jaywalking,
will
no
longer
be
a
crime
in
California.
So
what
happens?
Is
the
public
sees
that
and
they
believe
it's
a
free-for-all
and
that
they
can
cross
Whenever
Wherever?
I
So
what
ab2147
does
as
it
relates
to
enforcement?
Like
I
said
it
requires
that
the
officer
articulates
some
sort
of
danger
to
The
Pedestrian.
The
the
problem
is
that
it
removes
an
objective
standard.
You
shall
not
cross
to
a
subjective
standard
you
can
cross.
If
you
don't
see
a
hazard.
As
one
of
my
learned
colleagues
said
it's
not
the
car
that
you
see,
that
hits
you
it's
the
one
that
you
don't
see.
That
hits
you
so
the
problem
with
this
is.
I
So
Burbank
has
experienced
an
increase
in
pedestrian
violate
or
pedestrian
collisions,
and
that's
common
throughout
the
United
States.
Right
now
from
2019
to
2022,
we
had
four
fatalities
involving
vehicle
versus
pedestrian
crashes
in
the
City
of
Burbank.
One
was
a
DUI
and
in
50
of
those
collisions,
The
Pedestrian
was
actually
found
at
fault.
The
Pedestrian
was
jaywalking
and
got
hit
by
a
car
that
was
operating
lawfully
within
the
roadway,
and
that
was
before
ab2147
went
into
effect,
so
that
was
when
it
was
a
strict.
I
You
shall
not
jaywalk
again
now
that
ab2147
is
an
effect
and
the
subsequent
media
that
went
along
with
it.
It
complicates
the
issue
so
again,
so
this
trend
will
continue.
Many
pedestrians,
we've
done.
Enforcement
contacts,
I've
personally
stopped
pedestrians
and
they
believe
that
they
are
completely
lawful
to
cross
the
street
whenever
they
want
wherever
they
want.
They
can
cross
against
the
the
solid
red
hand,
because
there's
a
green
light
and
all
of
those
things
that
that
were
changed
as
a
result
of
2147..
I
I
So
now
I'm
going
to
briefly
go
over
Vision
zero
and
then
I'll
wrap
it
up
with
how
these
two
things
intersect,
Burbank,
has
not
adopt
formally
adopted
a
vision,
zero
program,
yet
so
I'm
going
to
talk
in
kind
of
broad
Strokes
about
what
Vision
zero
is
how
it's
effective
in
Europe
versus
the
United
States.
Some
of
the
issues
that
are
presented
by
how
the
United
States
operates
versus
Europe
and
and
how
enforcement
is
affected
by
that
as
well.
I
So
when
you
can't
separate
pedestrians
and
vehicles
you
have
to
you
have
to
slow
those
Vehicles
down,
so
Vision
zero
was
developed
in
Sweden
in
the
late
1990s.
Both
Sweden
and
Norway
are
probably
the
two
most
successful.
Vision
zero
programs
in
in
the
world
Norway
last
year
had
their
first
year
of
no
vehicular
fatalities
in
the
entire
country.
I
I
One
example
is
West
Palm,
Beach,
Florida
they've
done
a
really
good
job
in
terms
of
their
engineering
programs,
where
they
have
a
very
quick
turnaround
when
they
identify
a
problem
from
a
collision
or
a
complaint.
They've
been
able
to
make
Capital
Improvements
or
Capital
changes
within
60
days.
They
do
this
by
having
on-call
construction
companies
that
are
able
to
immediately
begin
construction
and
make
those
engineering
changes
once
it's
been
identified.
I
So
that
is
a
would
be
a
challenge
because
we
don't
have
that
sort
of
mechanism
here
in
the
City
of
Burbank
and
again,
California
is
a
car
culture.
We
love
our
cars.
Our
whole
design
of
our
cities
is
for
the
commuter,
especially
in
Southern
California.
It's
designed
around
the
vehicular
commuter
it's
not
designed
around
a
pedestrian,
it's
not
designed
around
and
and
that's
evidenced
by
the
fact
that
most
of
their
stores,
our
schools
are
not
within
walking
distance
of
our
home.
So
you
have
to
use
a
car
to
get
to
where
you're
going.
I
I
You
know
one
of
the
things
in
Norway
that
they
do.
Is
they
allow
the
city
governments
to
lower
the
speed
limit
for
what
they
see
fit?
We
can't
do
that
in
California,
our
legis.
You
know
we
are
required
to
use
the
85th
percentile.
There
obviously
was
legislation
that
allowed
us
to
keep
it
at
a
five
mile,
an
hour
lower
than
the
85th
percentile.
If
it
raises
the
speed
limit
from
what
it
previously
was,
but
that
is
again
there's
restrictions
on
when
we
can
do
that.
I
I
The
other
thing
about,
like
Oslo,
the
the
with
Norway
having
Zero
fatalities,
is
they've
completely
cut
off
vehicular
traffic
in
their
downtown
area,
zero
cars.
So
they
never
have
those
issues
where
you're
com
you're
putting
pedestrians
and
people
in
the
same
space
in
in
Los
Angeles,
there's
actually
been
pretty
significant,
publish
public
pushback
concerning
Vision
zero.
I
When
cities
have
tried
to
implement
some
of
the
ideas
found
in
Vision,
zero
or
they've
identified
issues,
it
impacts
people's
ability
to
travel
in
an
efficient
manner
and
they
get
upset
because
they
are
not
willing
to
sacrifice
their
time
or
what
they
perceive
to
be
I'm.
Going
to
allow
myself
30
minutes
to
accomplish
this
task.
If
I
can't
do
it
in
30
minutes,
then
it's
not
worth
doing
so.
I
They
choose
speed,
they
choose
efficiency
over
pedestrian
safety
and
that's
a
societal
issue
that
you
know
again
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
solve
that's
something
that
has
to
change
over
the
long
term
but
in
the
city
of
Los
Angeles.
When
they've
tried
to
do
these
improvements,
especially
when
it
comes
to
bicycles,
they've,
gotten
significant
public
pushback
when
they
try
to
make
those
engineering
changes
again.
That's
a
challenge
for
us
in
the
United
States.
I
That
would
minimize
the
likelihood
of
a
fatality
if,
if
a
vehicle
hits
a
person,
that's
20
about
20
miles
an
hour
is:
is
our
comfort
zone,
anything
above
that
we're
going
to
start
getting
into
some
serious
injury?
So
you
know
if
we
were
to
do
that,
traffic
would
come
to
a
standstill
and
people
would
probably
not
be
very
happy
with
that
I
they're
gonna.
They
want
to
choose
their
own
personal
time
over
the
safety
of
others.
They
don't
they
when
they
do.
I
Just
this
last
year,
has
finally
put
something
out
a
white
paper
concerning
the
Safe
Streets
approach,
which
is
part
of
a
vision,
zero.
The
United
States
did
not
was
not
one
of
the
140
countries
that
signed
on
the
Stockholm
declaration,
which
was
in
2020,
where
it
was
sponsored
by
the
United
Nations
on
reducing
fatalities
on
roadways
across
the
globe,
the
United
States
elected,
not
to
sign
and
be
part
of
that
they
gave
their
reasons.
I
I
The
biggest
the
biggest
difference
between
Europe
and
the
successes
in
Europe
with
vision,
zero
and
the
issues
that
we
would
have
in
the
United
States,
specifically
California
or
Burbank,
is
the
fact
that
the
fines,
the
penalties,
are
much
more
strict
in
Europe
than
they
are
in
the
United
States,
for
example,
in
Sweden
and
Norway
you
get
two
citations
a
year.
One
point
citation,
so
you
were
speeding.
You
ran
a
red
light
after
two
violations.
You
lose
your
license
for
six
months
period,
no
ifs
and
buts
about
it.
I
Currently
in
the
state
of
California,
you
can
have
five
citations
in
a
year
before
you
lose
your
license.
So
you're
allowed
four
points.
You
get
an
extra
point
because
you
can
go
to
traffic
school
and
get
one
dismissed
so
they're
going
to
be
able
to
do
five
speeding
tickets
before
they
actually
lose
their
license.
So
that
is
obviously
something
that
the
the
enforcement
only
works
if
the
deterrent,
if
the
fear
of
the
penalty,
is
more
severe
than
they're
wanting
to
do
the
action
so
in
in
those
countries
where
we're
seeing
dramatic
drops.
I
The
posted
speed
limit,
you're
traveling
at
a
speed
that,
based
on
the
conditions,
present
you're
in
violation
so
again,
there's
a
little
more
wiggle
room,
whereas
in
in
Norway,
if
the
speed
limit
is
30
kilometers
an
hour
and
you're
going
31
you're
getting
a
citation.
So
we
have
that
on
our
freeways.
22
349a
says
anything
over
65,
but
all
of
us
drive
on
the
freeway
I.
Don't
think
any
of
us
drive
65..
I
I
There
are
other
legislative
things
that
have
occurred.
That
will
be
somewhat
in
conflict
with
vision,
zero
and
trying
to
make
our
roadway
safer.
One
of
the
ones
that
was
just
recently
passed
by
assemblywoman
Friedman
was
the
change
in
the
citations
for
driving
without
a
driver's
license,
12
500
of
the
vehicle
code.
It
has
now
been
changed.
Effective
I,
believe
2027,
where
12
500
is
an
automatic
infraction
for
the
first
two
violations
and
then
becomes
a
wobbler
misdemeanor
infraction
on
the
third.
I
So
UC
Berkeley
did
a
study
several
years
ago
about
the
correlation
between
hit
and
run
and
fatal
collisions
and
unlicensed
drivers,
and
in
that
study
they
found
that
the
overwhelming
majority
of
drivers
that
are
involved
in
fatal
or
hit
and
run
collisions
are
unlicensed.
So
by
removing
unlicensed
drivers
from
the
roadway
you're
less
likely
to
have
those
types
of
collisions
so
by
implementing
that
type
of
thing
again
that
doesn't
necessarily
promote
Traffic
Safety,
because
now
we
have
people
who
haven't
been
properly
trained,
who
aren't
licensed?
I
It's
not
the
end-all
of
of
solving
this
issue.
However,
it
is
a
very
necessary
and
important
component
of
it
and
again
just
San
Francisco's
probably
invested
more
money
in
Vision
zero
than
any
other
city
in
the
state
of
California,
and
they
are
still
having
significant
numbers
of
collisions.
They've
also
instituted
a
no
driving
Zone
in
the
Market.
I
So,
in
conclusion,
on
its
face
ab2147,
obviously
it
challenges
the
established
goals
of
Vision
zero
because
we're
still
putting
pedestrians
in
an
area
where
there
are
Vehicles
Vision
zero
requires
those
two
to
be
separate
and
when
they're
not
separate,
we
lower
speed
limits.
Ab2147
did
not
do
that.
In
fact,
it
probably
increases
the
likelihood
of
those
conflicts
between
pedestrians
and
and
vehicles.
I
I
The
mindset
of
many
of
the
pedestrians
out
there
is
that
it's
a
free-for-all
and
they're
going
to
cross
where
they're
going
to
cross
so
ab2147
was
designed
to
address
a
problem.
No
doubt
about
that.
But
pedestrian
safety
wasn't
that
problem.
So
with
that
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions,
the
commission
might
have.
B
G
Sure,
thank
you,
chair
crumbs.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
the
presentation.
Vision
Zero
Sum.
It's
a
something
I've
really
been
diving
into
and
I
know:
I
agendized
the
assembly
Bill
to
be
discussed
in
regards
to
like
enforcement,
and
what
does
the
PD
do
in
a
situation
where
laws
like
this
come
down
from
Sacramento?
What
is
the
conversation?
What
does
this
appear
to
do
in
preparation
for
educating
the
public
on
on
how
to
take
proper
precautions?
And
what
do
you
guys
do
as
far
as
enforcement
goes
so.
I
We
have
we
do
get
funding
from
the
office
of
traffic
safety
to
conduct
pedestrian
enforcement
operations.
That
is
both
for
vehicles
that
fail
to
yield
to
pedestrians
when
necessary,
and
then
also
to
conduct
enforcement
operations
against
pedestrians,
who
are
violating
the
sections
and
and
put
themselves
in
a
position
to
be
hit.
During
those
contacts
we
try
to
educate
the
public
again
we're
in
the
process
of
putting
out
some
social
media
to
counter
the
The
Narrative
that
that
that
jaywalking
is
legal
in
California
after
the
passage.
I
So
that's
our
biggest
challenge
and
it
comes
down
to
talking
to
people
when
we
do
make
stops
not
all
stops,
result
in
a
citation,
but
we
do
try
to
get
out
there.
Ab2147
sometimes
does
limit
us
in
our
ability
to
make
those
contacts,
because
if
there's
not
a
vehicle
around
I
can't
I
can
try
to
make
a
consensual
contact,
but
they
can
just
walk
away.
So
my
ability
to
kind
of
force
that
conversation
or
force
that
education
is
limited
because
of
the
of
the
restrictions
placed
by
ab2147.
D
I
I
It
says
the
person
has
to
use
reasonable
care
to
determine
whether
or
not
a
vehicle
is
close
enough
to
present
a
hazard
and
then
they're
not
allowed
to
cross,
but,
like
I
said
before,
we
usually
don't
get
hit
by
the
cars
that
we
see,
and
there
are
so
many
cars
moving
and
they're
moving
fast
that
we
are
not
necessarily
always
going
to
see
that.
So
that
presents
the
challenge
because
we're
encouraging
people
to
be
on
the
roadway,
because
well
I,
didn't
see
that
car
well
I'm
sure
you
didn't,
but
it
still
hit
you.
D
B
I
Well,
it
it
the
the
in-car
video
camera
and
the
body
camera
require
Activation,
so
the
officer
would
have
to
activate
it
or
activate
his
emergency
lights.
To
start
the
recording,
it
has
a
30
second
pre-record,
so
it's
always
got
a
it's
a
running
thing.
So
if,
if
the
camera
is
pointed
in
the
right
direction,
it
can't
the
the
violation
can
be
recorded
absolutely
in
terms
of
the
contact
with
the
public.
I
Yes,
those
are
always
recorded
were
mandated
by
policy
to
always
activate
our
cameras
and
and
do
that,
so
it
does
record
it,
but
the
body
cam
also
records
me
doing
the
fatality
investigation
when
I'm
there.
So
it's
sometimes
you
know
the
camera
isn't
really
going
to
be
the
deciding
factor
on
what
happens.
It's
trying
to
get
the
message
out
to
the
people
before
they
get
into
the
roadway.
H
Good,
you
mentioned
something
about
the
people
who
hit
pedestrians,
that
are,
that
for
versus
percentage
do
not
have
driver's
license,
and
this
kind
of
maybe
leads
into
a
little
bit
something
where
we're
going
to
discuss
later
this
evening.
How,
do
you
tell
if
somebody
does
not
have
a
driver's
license?
That's
striving
you.
I
Can't
you
have
to
have
some
other
reason
to
stop
them,
and
then
you
find
that
out
during
the
course
of
the
the
vehicle
stop.
But
it's
important
to
note
that
it
wasn't
pedestrian
collisions.
It
was
a
study
by
UC
Berkeley.
That
said,
the
vast
majority
of
fatal
and
hit-and-run
collisions
that
could
be
vehicle
on
vehicle
vehicle
versus
pedestrian
vehicle
versus
bike.
B
I
It's
it's
almost
100
yeah
I,
I
driving
down
the
road
I
can't
tell
if
somebody
I,
I've,
never
in
my
22
years,
pulled
somebody
over
saying,
hey,
I,
think
they
don't
have
a
driver's
license.
That's
not
going
to
be
a
stop,
that's
held
up,
but
it's
usually
there's
some
other
violation
and
then,
during
the
course
of
that
investigation
we
determine
they
don't
have
a
license.
E
E
I
Are
so
one
of
our
one
of
our
primary
collision
factors
for
vehicle
versus
pedestrians?
Is
the
vehicle
fails
to
yield
to
a
pedestrian
in
a
crosswalk
where
they're,
marked
or
unmarked,
that
is
usually
happening
on
a
left
turn
or
a
right
turn
they're
going
this
way
they
want
to
make
a
left
turn.
They
don't
see
The
Pedestrian
coming
in
the
crosswalk
and
we
have
a
strike
or
they're
coming
up
they're
going
to
make
a
right
turn.
Nobody
stops
at
a
stop
sign.
Nobody
stops
at
a
red
light
completely
where
the
wheels
stop.
I
Turning
at
the
limit
line,
they
slow
roll
and
they're,
usually
looking
to
the
left
to
see
if
traffic's
oncoming,
because
they're
going
to
make
that
right
turn,
they
don't
look
to
their
left
to
see
The
Pedestrian,
that's
walking
here
and
we
and
they
get
hit
in
the
crosswalk.
So
one
of
the
probably
the
easiest
things
to
address
that
specific
type
of
collision
would
be
that
when
we
have
crosswalks
or
Crossings,
it's
all
pedestrian
at
once
and
then
vehicular
traffic.
I
So
you
minimize
that
interaction
between
pedestrians
and
vehicles
that
might
not
work
in
some
of
our
residential
areas,
but
some
of
our
bigger
streets
where
we
see
the
higher
speeds
because
again
we're
talking
about
we're,
not
going
to
eliminate
the
ability
of
accidents
to
happen
because
people
make
mistakes.
But
we
want
the
speed
at
which
that
Collision
occurs
to
be
significantly
lower
to
prevent
the
fatality
of
Serious
injury.
So
we
can
use
that
type
of
type
of
engineering
change
at
our
major
intersections,
where
our
speeds
are
higher.
B
So
you're
kind
of
describing
like,
for
example,
like
the
all-way
crossings
that
they
have
on
Colorado
and
Pasadena,
but
correct,
but
you'd
probably
have
to
again.
This
is
this
goes
into
Transportation
infrastructure,
but
you
probably
have
to
identify
the
appropriate
places.
Obviously
it
wouldn't
happen
in
a
residential
setting.
I
B
Also
seems
like
there's
a
timing
issue
with
that
as
well,
because
I'm
Burbank,
we
have
roughly
a
hundred
thousand
people
that
live
here,
but
we've
got
about
150
000
people
that
come
in
every
day,
so
we're
swelling
from
100
000
to
250
000
a
day
and
I
just
I.
Just
can't
imagine,
slowing
down
traffic
or
creating
more.
No,
no
vehicle
areas
could
be
problematic.
B
I
know
in
when
we,
when
I
see
people's
foot
I
want
to
see
people
sitting
in
traffic.
It's
not
uncommon
for
people
to
get
upset
when
we've
got
a
change
like
this,
and
usually
when
somebody
gets
upset
at
that.
What
we're
seeing
is
we're
seeing
somebody
dart
out
in
traffic
or
do
something
they're
not
supposed
to
be
doing.
The
agitation
goes
up
a
little
bit
too.
So
that
seems
like
that's
contributing.
I
To
that
point
chairman,
the
public
speaker
we're
talking
about
the
school
zones.
The
reason
why
a
lot
of
these
drivers,
they
don't
have
kids
there
they're
upset
because
they're
being
impacted
on
their
commute
right
by
the
traffic
generated
by
the
schools,
so
they
are
driving
in
a
manner
that
is
unsafe
and
all
that
because,
again,
societally
speaking,
they
believe
that
their
time
is
more
important
than
their
safety.
I
E
To
your
point
about
the
schools
and
a
lot
of
times,
those
are
on
those
residential
streets,
some
of
them
just
wondering
is
it
within
the
wherewithal
of
the
the
city
to
legislators
and
the
department,
just
you
know
administratively,
to
have
a
policy
around
you
know
making
some
of
those
intersections
changing
the
rules,
basically
the
traffic
rules
for
those
intersections
at
certain
times
of
day.
You
know
like
at
school,
pickup
and
drop-off
times,
or
things
like
that,
that
there
aren't
built
environment
things,
because
that's
not
our
purview
here,
but
this.
J
E
These
other
items
just
in
terms
of
this,
given
this
new
law,
if
there
are
places
we
know,
there's
a
lot
of
pedestrians-
is
that
that
may
be
likely
to
jaywalk
or
things
like
that.
Are
there
ways
to
put
protective
rule
like
protective
for
the
pedestrians
rules
in
place
during
certain
times
of
day,
so
it's
not
disrupting
all
the
time.
I.
I
Don't
know
about
rules,
we
can
definitely
control
improvements,
infrastructure,
engineering,
but
most
of
the
rules
are
mandated
by
the
state
of
California
through
the
vehicle
code.
So
it
would
take
a
legislative
change
from
Sacramento
to
do
that,
no
matter
whether
it's
a
school
zone
or
anywhere
else
yeah.
J
B
Yeah
so
one
of
the
things
that
came
up
we
we
talked
about
this
before
we
were
talking
about
the
direct
correlation
between
enforcement
and
reducing
fatalities.
My
understanding
I
think,
are
we
last
time
I
checked.
We
were
still.
We
were
still
one
or
two
motor
motor
officer
vacancies,
correct,
correct.
B
K
Yeah
in
time,
it's
just
Staffing
how
we
prioritize,
but
you
keep
talking
about
enforcement,
there's
a
huge
educational
component
to
this,
so
our
social
media
person
is
here
sergeant
pecity
and
we
do
a
very
robust
campaign
on
pedestrian
in
driver
safety.
In
addition
to
what
we
do
in
the
schools
great,
so
we
we
Outreach
to
1500
students,
or
was
it
more
than
that.
It.
I
K
B
I
With
vision,
zero
again
the
successes
in
Europe,
they
don't
license
their
drivers
as
young
as
we
do
in
most
European
countries.
It's
18
to
get
your
first
driver's
license
and
then
it's
a
it's
a
tiered
process.
So
you
most
times
you
can't
drive
on
all
of
the
roads
anywhere
in
the
country
until
you're,
21
or
22..
We
have
Learners
permit
at
15
and
a
half.
We
have
licensed
drivers
at
16.,
so
that
is
another
component
where
we're
probably
not
at
that
age,
where
we're
making
the
best
decisions
and
we're
behind
the
wheel.
I
G
If
I,
thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you,
chair,
cones,
just
just
sort
of
make
a
comment,
so
Visions
are
something
that
I've
been
studying
on
my
own
I
know
that
vice
versa.
Last
last
year
he
he
brought
it
up
and
I
was
like
you
know
what
I
want
really
interested
I
really
want
to
figure
out
what
this
all
is
and
I
wrote.
I
read
about
nine
annual
reports,
visions
of
reports
from
different
cities
from
Philadelphia
Austin,
Washington,
DC,
New,
York,
City,
San
Francisco,
and
in
some
areas
it
is
true
that
it
has
worked.
G
However,
in
some
areas,
they've
seen
a
rising
tractor
fatalities
like,
for
example,
like
if
anyone
was
to
read
the
report
from
Philadelphia
in
2019
that
83
fatalities,
but
in
2020
at
156.,
so
I
mean
I,
know
we
speak
about
it.
I
think
you
were
referring
to
it.
So
as
chair
Coombs
is
human
behavior
right,
something
that
we
can't
control.
So
if
they
I
know
that
some
ideas
were
to
lower
the
speed
limit,
like
I
mean
I
feel
like
anyone
who
is
disobeying.
G
The
speed
limit
anyway
doesn't
care
whether
if
it's
20
or
35,
you
know
so
I
would
invite
the
public
if
they
want
to
look
at
the
vision,
zero
reports,
it's
all
online,
it's
all
public
I
did
see.
A
common
Trend
I
saw
that
pedestrian
safety
did
go
up.
However,
the
fatalities
fatalities
directly
related
to
motor
vehicles
have
gone
up
as
well,
so
I
think
that
you're
right
it's
about
the
geography,
it's
about
the
the
culture
and
the
people
that
live
there.
G
It's
the
way
things
are
designed
and
also
you
know,
the
template
doesn't
work
in
every
single
area.
However,
it
could
be
implemented
where
it
could
work
depending
on.
You
know
how
it's
enforced
and
that's
what
it
came
down
to
is
enforcement.
You
know
how
is
it
enforced?
How
did
the
city
manage
it
and
I
think
that's
what
really
correlates
to
its
success.
I
Yeah
I
mean
so
you
know
in
2021,
the
city
of
Los
Angeles
had
289
traffic
fatalities.
That
was
a
20-year
High
in
the
city
and
they've.
Instead,
they've
invested
several
hundred
million
in
Vision
zero
programs.
To
your
point,
commissioner,
New
York
Portland,
Oregon,
Washington,
DC
and
Philadelphia
Pennsylvania
and
San
Francisco
all
have
instituted
vigorously
in
Vision.
Zero
all
have
had
an
increase
in
traffic
fatalities
over
the
last
five
years.
B
And
I
know
that
the
goal
is
to
to
reduce
traffic
fatalities.
We
got
to
acknowledge
something
else,
though,
that
we've
talked
about
here
before
is
the
the
role
of
the
pandemic.
What
happened
was
there
were
less
people
driving?
There
were
less
people
on
the
street,
there
were
more
people
speeding
and
there
were
more
the
fatalities
where
speed
goes
up
increased
fatalities.
This
is
a
conversation
that
we've
had
previously
when
we've
been
talking
about
Traffic
Safety
in
this
room,
so
that's
it.
B
I
B
Right
any
other
questions
or
comments:
okay,
Sergeant
Stone.
Thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you
this
evening
really
appreciate
this
right.
Moving
on
to
our
next
agenda
item
item
number
two
is
discussion
in
action
if
any
of
the
racial
identity,
profiling
act,
which
is
the
Ripa
Advisory
board
report-
and
this
is
a
discussion
for
our
commission
and
I-
just
need
to
come-
bring
some
of
my
notes
up
real
quick
as
we
do
this.
Is
there
anybody
that
wanted
to
start
with
an
introduction
to
the
report
and
observations
of
the
report.
A
H
G
B
B
It's
Michelle
Alexander's
the
new
Jim
Crow,
and
it
spends
a
lot
of
time
talking
about,
among
other
things,
racial
profiling
as
well.
I
know
that
was
a
that
was
a
concerning
issue
that
we've
raised
up
in
the
past.
Grateful
that
we're
reviewing
this
there's
nothing
in
the
data
that
that
surprises
me
quite
honestly,
but
I
also
know
that
we're
working
towards
trying
to
make
Collective
changes
on
that
Mike.
B
You
had
mentioned
that
there
this
this
may
lead
to
some
additional
agenda
items
and
I
agree
with
that,
and
so
we'll
probably
be
work,
we'll
we'll
work
on
that
a
little
bit
later
on,
but
I
I
think
that's
going
to
be
very
useful
because
we
do.
We
do
want
to
understand
what
what
the
Department's
doing
one
thing
specifically
is.
D
D
You
know
when
I
first
moved
to
Burbank
I
got
pulled
over
and
person,
just
police
officer
literally
introduced
himself.
I
didn't
recognize
your
car
I
was
glad
he
did
it.
I,
don't
and
I
know.
Other
people
have
told
me
that
that
is
offensive,
but
I
just
think
that
we
have
to
be
careful
not
to
handcuff
police
officer's
ability
to
Community
Police,
because
he's
afraid
of
being
lumped
into
a
group
of
people
and
told
that
he's
racial
profile.
B
I
think
the
issue
that
at
least
I
and
I
can,
from
my
own
personal
experience,
haven't
been
stopped
in
Burbank.
That
I
recall
at
least
a
background
check.
I,
don't
think
showed
that
I
got
stopped
at
any
point
in
Burbank
before
joining
the
commission,
but
I
remember
being
stopped
as
a
kid
walking
down
the
street
in
another
city,
another
city,
that's
actually
mentioned
in
the
report
as
well,
and
that
sticks
with
me.
I
was
maybe
15
16
years
old
and
it
it
really
sticks
with
me
now
and
so
there.
B
The
profiling
piece
is
significant
and
I
know.
Burbank
has
been
working
towards
trying
to
not
make
stops
specifically
based
on
profiling.
The
piece
that
we're
going
to
want
to
dive
into
further-
and
we
may
want
to
ask
for
a
report
and
discussion
from
the
police
department
around
this-
is
looking
specifically
at
the
numbers
since
they've
started
collecting
them
in
Burbank,
because
in
the
report,
if
I
recall,
I
think
the
the
number
of
generally
the
number
of
stops
identified
in
the
report.
I
think
the
majority
of
stops
are
done
by
a
California
Highway
Patrol.
B
For
starters,
like
52
percent
are
done
by
the
California
Highway
Patrol,
but
the
majority
of
stops
happen
to
be
with
Hispanic
Latino,
Latino,
latinx
individuals,
I,
believe
it's
followed
by
I
think
it's
black
or
African-American
individuals,
and
so
it
it
there's.
There's
the
statistics,
Don't
Lie,
the
numbers
don't
lie
generally,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we've
talked
about
here
that
we
have
to
address
is
that
when
things
happen
in
other
parts
of
the
state
or
the
country,
we
we
not
only.
We
have
to
address
it
here.
Our
community
wants
to
address
it
here.
B
It
affects
our
officers
and
how
they're
forced
to
address
issues
so
it
it
really
behooves
us
to
to
dive
into
the
data
to
demonstrate
how
we're
both
similar
and
different,
and
so
that
that's
where
the
Deep
dive
may
need
to
take
place.
So
it's
no!
It's
it's.
No!
It's
no
I'm
not
disagreeing
with
yours
or
anybody
else's
experience,
but
but
the
problem
is
it's
just
like
I
was
describing
my
own
individual
experience,
I'm
one
person-
and
this
has
had
an
impact
for
me
on
my
entire
life,
and
so
we
need
to.
D
D
Yes,
but
but
probably
look
at
him
like
what's
this
guy
doing
on
the
road
at
6
30
in
the
morning
and
I
was
slightly
inconvenienced
but,
like
I
said,
I
understood
it
I
considered
community
policing
I
also
understand
someone
who
maybe
has
been
pulled
over
seven
times
in
the
last
month,
not
quite
being
as
enthusiastic
as
that.
So
there's
got
to
be
a
there's,
got
to
be
a
balance
right,
Layla.
E
Yeah
I
think
just
as
kind
of
context
since
view
what
you're
both
talking
about,
but
you
know,
like
you
said
you
know,
there's
numbers
in
these
reports
and
you
know
we
I
would
take
them
as
true.
You
know
they're
reported
by
public
agencies,
so
I
would
you
know
I
would
say
you
know.
Researchers
have
consistently
found
evidence
of
implicit
and
explicit
racial
bias
and
other
types
of
bias.
You
know
throughout
our
society
and
our
systems,
it's
an
issue
for
law
enforcement.
E
It's
an
issue
for
all
of
us
in
all
the
systems
that
we
participate
in
and
in
our
personal
lives.
So
the
purview
of
this
commission
happens
to
be
law
enforcement,
but
this
is
not
at
all
to
say
that
this
is
just
a
Law
Enforcement
issue,
it's
everybody's
issue
in
their
life
and
in
their
job
and
and
and
how
we
conduct
ourselves
in
the
world.
So
you
know
I
think
it's
just
reading.
E
This
is
a
reminder
for
us
all
to
just
examine
ourselves
again
in
the
way
that
we
participate
in
all
the
systems
that
we're
all
involved
with.
You
know
law,
enforcement
or
not,
and
just
to
say
that
you
know
that
California
is
one
of
at
least
five
states
in
addition
to
many
cities
that
make
this
type
of
data
publicly
available.
So
again,
it's
a
conversation
happening
everywhere.
As
you
mentioned,
it's
really
important
for
us
to
have
that
transparency
and
that
trust
with
the
community
that
that
BPD
is
serving
that.
E
You
know
we
we,
you
know
I
think
next
year,
we'll
have
the
Burbank
data
right
because
we're
a
smaller
department.
So
we
haven't-
you
know,
reported
yet
but
to
to
look
at
that
and
take
an
honest
look
at
it
see
how
we
are
the
same,
see
how
we
are
different
and
just
you
know,
be
open
about
that
and
have
a
conversation
with
the
community
about
that,
and
if
there
are
any
issues
you
know
address
them.
I
think
honestly,
yeah.
B
Lily
I
think
that's
probably
one
of
the
most
powerful
things
we
can
do
as
well
is
to
demonstrate
where,
where
we're
the
same
and
we're
having
issues
we
need
to,
we
need
to
address
that
and
talk
about
where
we're
different.
We
need
to
be
able
to
lift
that
up
and
raise
that
up
for
for
the
community
and
for
our
officers.
Yes,.
B
E
Speaking
to
what
you
had
said
earlier,
just
that
I
I
am
a
data
analyst,
a
researcher
in
my
in
that's
my
my
job
and
I.
Look
at
numbers
all
day,
but
again
numbers
aren't
the
whole
story,
and
so
I
just
really
appreciate.
You
sharing
your
experience
and
to
note
that
that
is
just
as
valid
as
the
numbers
in
the
report
and
in
a
spreadsheet
and
all
of
that
because
there
are,
it
will
never
capture
that
for
many
reasons
and
it's
it's
an
important.
B
H
H
Now
we
do
get
like
from
the
oir
report.
The
audit
that
we
do,
we
get
recommendations
and
the
chief
very
meticulously
goes
through
and
says.
Yeah
I
agree
with
this
I
agree
with
this,
this
one
I'm
not
so
sure
about
and
here's
the
reason
why
and
so
I'm
I'd
be
kind
of
looking
for
that
kind
of
response
to
this
report
as
to
and
they
they
list
in
different
sections
of
the
report.
H
One
other
area
was
they
spent
a
lot
of
time
on
pre-textual
stops.
Free
texts
right
and
I
have
questions
both
ways
on
the
effect
and
the
losing
some
ability,
it's
a
good
cause,
but
maybe
we're
losing
the
you
can't
stop
somebody
for
a
block
window
or
something
like
that,
but
that
may
be
a
precursor
to
something
else.
B
Right,
I'm,
looking
for
I'm
trying
to
pull
out
some
of
the
recommendations
where
seeing
the
rec
the
the
the
dispatcher
recommendations.
I,
don't
know
if
anybody
has
access
to
it
right
away,
I'm
not
coming
up
as
quickly
as
I
would
have
liked
it
too
yeah
around
the
stops,
all
right,
so
I
I
think
I
found
it
I
think
I
found
it
so
I'm.
Looking
it's
in
the
executive
report.
If
you
want
to
take
a
look
there
on
page,
it
looks
like
page
eight
spring
on
page
actually
start
on
page
seven.
B
We
don't
need
to
read
these
into
the
record
or
anything
like
that.
But
I
want
you
to
take
a
look
at
how
how
the
recommendations
that
are
made
in
the
report
about
data-driven
policies,
which
is
critically
important.
We
know
this
taking
a
look.
I
know
in
our
previous
presentation,
the
jaywalking
presentation,
my
understanding,
we
started
to
make
reference
to
it.
B
My
understanding
is
that
part
of
that
legislation
was
put
in
place
specifically
because
of
concern
about
inappropriately
stopping
people
of
color
and
and
so
I
I
understand
the
context
of
it,
but
it
kind
of
doesn't
have
necessarily
the
effect
that
that
people
want
to
have
with
it,
but
as
we
get
into
looking
at
the
data
with
Burbank
I
think
we'll
want
to
take
a
closer
look
at
how
stops
and
searches
take
place
again.
There's
a
larger
context.
There's
a
there's,
a
there's,
a
Statewide
and
a
national
context.
B
E
I
also
just
wanted
to
point
out
like
this
is
a
little
bit
not
to
get
two
in
the
weeds,
but
just
you
know
there
are
some
limitations
to
this
data
again,
because
you
can't,
you
know,
number,
isn't
telling
the
whole
story
so
just
to
point
out.
You
know
as
we're
thinking
about
all
these
things.
So
in
terms
of
any
of
the
demographics
that
are
provided
around
the
person
stopped
right.
E
It's
all
officer
identified
or
the
for
you
know
perception
of
the
officer
which
is
good,
because
again
this
is
meant
to
address
any
differences.
You
know
based
on
the
the
perception
of
the
officer,
but
you
know
it's
because
it
is
based
on
perception.
It
could
be,
you
know
it
could
be,
it
could
be
incorrect
or
it
could
be,
you
know,
incomplete,
or
what
have
you?
E
E
B
B
At
this
moment
this
is
actually,
we
might
be
able
to
ask
some
clarify,
clarifying
questions
about
existing
policy
for
the
department,
but
this
is
actually
an
item
for
us
to
wrestle
with
right
now.
So
we
really
can't
pose
questions
like
that
to
them
right
now,
because
we
didn't
give
them
an
opportunity
to
prepare
for
them.
Sorry
about.
B
That
was
being
stopped,
at
least
in
the
Statewide
data,
so
it'll
be
critically
important
for
us
to
take
a
look
locally
at
what
that
data
looks
like,
then
we
can
go
from
there
before
we
start
guessing
about
what
it
might
be.
I
do
have
a
question,
though,
for
the
city-
and
hopefully
you
guys
can
help
us
with
this.
This
is
clarification
for
when
we
do
come
to
agendizing
an
item
consent
for
search,
which
is
in
a
policy
that
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
bring
up
and
have
a
presentation
on
later
on.
B
K
B
J
Mr
chair,
if
I
could,
just
briefly,
as
you
may
know,
we
have
a
districting
issue
that
the
county
is
wrestling
with.
The
community
will
be
going
through
workshops,
but
specifically
on
the
question
of
how
people
identify
is
is
a
challenge
under
the
Voting
Rights
Act,
some
people
identify
by
language
which
is
not
the
same
as
ethnicity.
J
So
I
think
it
is
a
very
relevant
point
of
inquiry
to
acknowledge
that
the
data
could
lead
to
conclusions
that
aren't
necessarily
accurate
to
the
point
of
Statistics
lie
right
yeah.
So
it's
just
it's
subject
to
Wild
misinterpretation.
You
know,
depending
upon
how
people
identify
versus
how
they're
perceived
in
the.
B
A
specific
issue
related
to
the
data
in
the
report
is
around
they're,
looking
at
percentages
of
the
overall
population
in
California.
Well,
the
last
U.S
census
allows
people
to
identify
up
to
six
different
identities,
I
believe
it
is,
and
if
so,
if,
if,
for
example,
I
identify
as
black
I'm
multiracial
okay,
so
if
I
put
down
black
I
want
to
be
identified
as
black
in
the
census.
But
if
I
put
down
that
I'm
multiracial
I'm
not
going
to
be
counted
in
the
black
category,
and
now
you
can
pick
up
to
six
different
identities.
B
G
Yeah
I
know
I
absolutely
agree
with
you
on
City
attorney.
Thank
you
so
much
for
that
I
mean
being
a
Armenian.
I
mean
I,
classify
technically
as
white
and
Caucasian
so,
but
that
white
Caucasian
goes
to
anyone.
Someone
has
Pakistani
also
qualifies
as
also
called
qualified
as
Caucasian
Iraqi.
So
it's
there's
so
many
different.
You
know
there's
just
so
many
different,
so
many
different
cultures
and
communities
that
are
just
categorized
just
as
white
I
agree
with
you
like
he's
absolutely
right
that
it
could
lead
to
confusion.
B
J
There
could
be
variations
agency
to
agency
and
they're
processing
a
lot
of
data,
and
so
anyway,
I
mean
those
are
just
issues
of
error:
correction,
because
they're,
what
you
get
in
a
data
dump
and
what
you
get
from
say
interviewing
just
one
side,
right
of
of
an
altercation
can
be
misinterpreted.
Yeah,
Paul.
D
Maybe,
maybe
I'm
ignorant
but
I
just
find
it
difficult
to
believe
that
a
police
officer
who
is
going
to
pull
someone
over
purely
on
the
nationality
I
mean
if
the
windows
are
tinted
or
something
out
of
Nature,
and
you
say,
oh
you
pulled
me
over
because
of
my
nationality.
No,
he
pulled
it
over
because
the
windows
were
tinted
as
as
Mr
Chapman
pointed
out
or
there's
not
something
else
in
there.
D
B
H
B
B
But
it's
it's
really.
It's
really
where
we
want
to
go
with
it.
The
important
thing
is
the
data,
the
report's
important,
because
it
can
help
guide
us
to
take
a
look
at
issues
that
need
to
be
evaluated,
but
we
don't
necessarily
it's
it's
we're
not
we're
not
fighting
or
battling
with
the
report
itself.
B
B
B
There's
actually
some
some
data
in
the
report
that
specifically
talks
about
the
number
of
complaints
by
group
as
well,
which
kind
of
kind
of
plays
into
that
the
problem
is,
is
if
we
don't
have
the
data
from
prior
to
the
reports
right.
We
we
don't
remember
prior
to
cameras,
we
don't
have.
We
don't
have
the
ability
to
navigate
that,
so
we
have
to
start
work.
This
is
our
starting
point.
Okay,
it
really
is
okay,
all
right,
any
other.
B
Any
other
comments,
thoughts
all
right,
so
we're
no
action
right
now,
other
than
when
we
get
to
gendizing
items.
Okay,
thank
you
for
the
information
fantastic.
Thank
you
all
for
that.
So
the
next
item
is
the
discussion
in
action,
if
any
by
Commissioners
regarding
equity
and
hiring,
this
is
the
dashboard
calendar
item
for
March,
and
this
is
something
that
we're
putting
on
if
I
believe
correctly.
This
is
something
we
would
agendize
for
a
future
meeting
for
discussion
now.
B
Okay,
so
let's
open
that
up-
and
we
can
use
this
time
to
kind
of
prepare
for
if,
if
we
want-
if,
if
we
want
to
pursue
this,
how
we
want
to
pursue
this
with
with
the
department,
so
I
want
to
open
up
for
discussion,
thoughts
on
questions
concerns
issues
you
have
around
equity
and
hiring
things
that
you
would
items
that
you
would
want
to
pursue
and
explore
with
the
Department.
We
had.
B
We
talked
about
this
about
a
year
ago
and
had
a
presentation
about
a
year
ago
from
the
Department
on
their
hiring
practices.
Looking
at
Equity,
specifically
I
want
to
open
it
up.
If
people
have
questions
right
now
and
again,
these
are
these
are
questions
for
us
in
preparation
for
a
future
discussion
these.
This
wouldn't
be
anything
that
we
can
ask
the
department
right
now.
D
I
I
would
just
be
curious
as
to
why
we're
losing
officers
to
other
departments
that
are
applying
if
we
are,
if,
if
the
best
and
the
writers
are
going
to
other
cities,
I'm
sure
some
of
it's
economic
but
but
I
I
find
it
interesting
that
we're
having
so
much
so
much
difficulty.
Maintaining
our
standards,
which
I
know,
is
the
rule
number
one
and
to
also
fill
in
the
fill
in
the
shoes.
B
So
I'm,
going
to
ask
kind
of
a
pointed
question
and
everything
is,
is
our
expectation
that
that
are
Force
reflect
the
the
diversity
and
the
makeup
of
our
community
or
of
another
location
or
sometimes
I
work
with
groups
that
talk
about
the
way
we
are
and
the
way
we
want
to
be
as
well.
So
what
what
is?
What's
the
bar?
What's
the
standard
that
we're
looking
for,
if
we're,
if
we're
looking
for
equity
and
hiring.
D
I
I'm
in
an
awkward
position
because
I'm
the
white
male,
but
the
I
always
thought
that
it
should
be
even
it
should
be,
basically
a
social
security
number.
You
know
you
get
to
the
starting
line
with
you,
give
everybody
the
opportunity
to
be
trained
and
get
to
the
starting
line.
Even
I
know
not.
Everybody
gets,
has
the
ability
to
get
the
starting
line,
even
they're,
not
given
the
same
opportunities
but
I
think
those
opportunities
should
be
presented,
but
once
they
get
to
the
starting
line,
it
should
be
even
I.
G
Thank
you,
chair
Crimson
I
mean
we
can't
talk
about
Equity
without
talking
about
language
right,
for
example,
if
a
message
has
only
been
spread
in
English
I
mean
I
was
in
Armenian
or
anybody
else
who
possibly
might
be
interested
or
might
know
somebody
who's
interested.
You
know
make
that
connection
so
I
think
that
would
be
important
to
put
it
in
multi-languages
put
it
out
there
you
know,
would
be
really
important.
Okay,.
E
I
to
your
point
of
what
what
would
be
the
ideal,
you
know
make
up
I
guess
of
the
police
department.
I
would
say
you
know,
I,
don't
think
it
can
be
an
exact.
You
know,
because
you
have
to
find
the
right
best
candidates
for
for
the
open
positions
so
but
I
think
it
should
be
at
least
relatively
representative
of
the
community.
E
I
think
for
a
couple
reasons,
one
you
know
because
representation
matters
right,
like
you
know,
for
a
long
time
there
were
no,
you
know
female
police
officers,
and
now
there
are
a
few,
and
so,
if
there's
a
little
girl-
and
she
sees
a
female
police
officer
and
that's
what
she's
interested
in
then
she
has
you
know
someone.
She.
A
E
That
that's
possibility
for
her
right
and
also
to
your
point
of
people
being
local
right,
so
they
understand
the
community.
Maybe
they
grew
up
here.
They
may
understand
it
better
than
someone
who
just
moves
here
right.
So
that's
in
a
way
representative
right
of
of
locals
who
have
grown
up
in
Burbank
and
by
the
same
token,
speaking
to
the
the
point
of
the
the
profiling
there
have
been,
you
know,
recommendations
that
you
know
to
diversify
police
departments
in
an
effort
to
reduce
those
disparities.
B
And
I
know:
we've
in
my
family
we've
had
positive
experiences
with
with
interactions
again
I,
don't
think
I've
been
stopped,
but
with
interactions
with
the
Burbank
Police,
Department
I,
think
I,
recall,
I,
think
I
shared
with
some
of
you,
a
story
from
it.
I
think
it
was
a
summer
or
two
ago
we're
right
around
the
corner
here
and
we're
getting
ready
to
go
on
a
Scout
trip
or
helping
load
up
for
a
Scout
trip,
and
there
are
three
motor
officers
in
the
parking
lot
there.
B
Sergeant
Stone
was
not
one
of
them
at
the
time,
but
I
remember
there
were
there
were
two
black
officers
and
there
was
one
white
officer
and
my
son.
We
really
enjoyed
having
the
conversation
with
them
and
everything
and
as
they
they
took
off
and
did
their
thing.
My
son
looks
at
me
and
makes
the
comment
he's
like
you
know
what
I
wouldn't
mind
getting
pulled
over
by
them.
B
So
so
it's
it's
the
the
interaction
and
the
dialogue
and
the
engagement's
critically
important
I
do
have
to
acknowledge,
though
I
think
I,
think
our
the
number
of
female
officers
in
the
department
doesn't
even
come
close
to
representing
the
number
of
women
in
the
community.
So
so
that
is
something
that
I
don't
know.
B
D
And
by
the
same
token,
the
female
officers
that
I
have
met
and
been
able
to
work
with
in
the
last
couple
of
months,
I
know
under
no
way
shape
or
form
looked
upon
them
as
if
they
were
hired
because
they
were
females
right.
They
were
very
qualified
individuals,
they
were
very
competent
people
and
that's
the
fine
line.
I
think
we
walk
when
we
start
going
down
this.
Was
he
a
good
black
police
officer?
He's
a
good
police
officer?
He
was
a
good
police
officer.
D
You
know
he
took
the
time
to
talk
to
the
scouts.
Was
she
a
good
female
officer?
Was
she
a
good
officer,
she's,
a
good
officer
and
so
I
think
again,
I'm
gonna?
That's
the
fine
line
that
I
think
we
have
to
walk
it's
a
it's
a
tightrope,
but
I
would
never
want
to
take
anything
against
some
of
the
the
people
in
I've
I've
experienced
the
rainbow
of
police
officers.
You
know
in
in
Burbank
Police
and
it
things
have
changed
in
the
last
10
years,
you're
absolutely
correct,
and
it's
a
very
welcome
change.
B
Something
actually
do
want
to
bring
up
that
you
and
I
just
attended
at
the
Community
Academy.
On
that
on
that
Saturday
was,
there
was
a
presentation.
Actually
it
was
by
Lieutenant
fromer
I
think
it
was
talking
about
SWAT
in
in
Burbank
and
the
fact
that
they
are
they're
actively
recruiting
and
open
and
how
they're
they
want.
It's.
It's
not
an
accommodating,
but
making
sure
training,
equipment,
wise
standard,
wise
and
everything.
They
do
want
female
officers
on
Onslaught,
and
he
was
talking
about
some
of
the
efforts
done
to
to
recruit.
B
D
But
he
also,
he
also
made
reference
to
kind
of
hard
and
fast
rules,
but
then
exceptions
to
the
rules.
Like
the
you
know,
the
heart
and
fast
you
have
to
be
on
the
street
for
two
years,
but
generally
came
in
was
an
Army
Ranger.
He
had
all
he
had
more
experience
than
most
of
them
right.
Why?
Wouldn't
we
put
this
training
to
to
right
and
to
me,
that's
efficient
use
of
the
of
the
training
we
have
with
us
right.
E
I
think
to
your
point
about
there
may
be
guidelines
or
rules
around
things
right
and
it's
not
to
make
exceptions
for
people,
but
it's
to
be
recognized.
The
flexibility
of
okay.
This
person's
coming
with
this
other
experience
that
you
know
fulfill
checks,
the
same
box
right
or
a
slightly
different
box,
but
also
a
very
useful
skill.
E
You
know
when
many
of
these
rules
were
created.
You
know
many
years
ago
right
in
these
police
departments
that
were
all
male
they
were
created
based
around.
You
know
the
male
experience
or
you
know,
culturally
what
it
means
to
be
male
all
those
kinds
of
things
right.
So
just
an
understanding
of
has
you
know
the
police
department
looked
at.
E
You
know
some
of
the
rules
or
guidelines
or
things
in
place,
and
just
you
know,
to
assess
whether
they
are
like
you
said,
create
an
even
starting
line
for
all
folks
who
are
interested
right
and
it
may
be
female.
It
may
be
you
know
language,
or
did
you
grow
up
in
the
states
or
not?
Maybe
you
know
if
you're
an
immigrant?
E
Is
it
just
as
easy
right
or
you
are
you
sort
of
hindered
by
that
in
order
to
meet
some
of
these
requirements
and
things
like
that
and
then
to
the
point
too
of
once
folks
come
on
to
the
department-
and
this
is
not
based
on
anything
about
the
department
but
just
based
on
other
Arenas,
like
I,
know
in
higher
education
right
a
lot
of
folks
who
are
the
first
in
their
family
to
go
to
college.
Many
of
them
don't
finish
even
if
they
get
there
right.
E
So
there
are
support
groups
in
colleges
in
higher
education.
For
for
for
kids,
like
that,
and
so
just
wondering,
if
within
the
police
department
are
there,
you
know
kind
of
like
I
know
any
kind
of
peer
support.
You
know
for
female
officers
or,
for
you
know,
officers
who
you
know
are
immigrants
to
this
country
or
what?
What
have
you
you
know
things
like
that
to
support
them
and
facilitate
them
to
stay
and
grow.
You
know
at
the
department
and.
B
It's
it's
a
sensitive
and
can
be
confidential
topic
as
well,
but
I
thought
I
was
thinking
about
how
it
ties
directly
into
the
Wellness
programs
of
the
department
as
well,
and
and
are
these
issues
being
addressed
and
supported
there
in
the
wellness
programming,
and
these
are
again
not
agendas
to
have
the
department
report
out
to
us.
But
I
do
have
a
question
that
might
help
us
a
little
bit
is
the
are
the
demographics
of
officers
available
to
the
public
or
could
it
be
could
that
be
available
to
us?
K
B
D
Just
want
to
follow
up
on
what
I'm
sorry
I
apologize,
no
much
easier,
but
I'm
trying
to
be
respectful
just
like
they
talked
about
the
gentleman
who
brought
his
other
military
skills
to
the
table
right,
we
I
think
we
need
to
hire
people
as
assets
and
the
assets
are
all
can
be
a
rainbow.
What
color
is
your
parachute
and
I
do
believe
that
language
is
one
of
the
issues,
and
maybe
we
also
need
to
devote.
We
need
to
devote
a
little
more
time
to
training
our
officers
in
Spanish
and
Armenian.
D
D
B
I
actually
do
have
a
question.
One
last
question
for
all
of
you
in
your
right
in
your
ride-alongs
that
you've
been
on.
Have
discussions
of
equity
issues
come
up
either
with
with
the
folks
that
are
being
served
in
the
community
or
with
the
equity
issues
related
to
the
rank
and
file
within
the
department.
E
It
was
more
just
around
around
what
is
the
process
of
collecting
this
Ripa
data,
actually,
because
you
know
it
still
hasn't
been
released
for
for
us,
but
for
other
places
and
just
seeing
what
does
that
look
like,
because
that
obviously
kind
of
impacts?
What
kind
of
data
you
you
get?
You
know
just
seeing
how
officers
work
through
that,
how
much
of
a
of
their
time
does
it
take
things
like
that,
and,
and
just
questions
of
you
know
things
that
you
might
not
think
about
right
as
like
a
lay
person
right.
E
E
B
B
A
H
B
A
community
that's
actually
a
real
good
point,
because
it's
like
the
department,
we,
the
applications
that
come
in
or
the
applications
come
in,
whether
it
be
for
the
department
or
whether
it
be
for
the
commission,
but
that
doesn't
preclude
us
from
recruiting
as
well.
So
we
can
and
I
know
the
Department's
involved
in
that
activity
as
well.
So
thank
you.
Roman.
G
I,
do
definitely
want
to
thank
you
for
your
question.
I
definitely
want
to
just
touch
on
that.
So
far,
I
think
I've
probably
gone
on,
maybe
about
seven
or
eight
ride
alongs
already,
and
there
were
different
officers
and
the
experience
has
been
and
when
it
comes
to
conversational,
equity
and
and
race,
et
cetera
in
the
community
majority
of
the
officers,
I
would
say
pretty
much.
100
of
the
officers
never
saw
a
race
as
an
issue
versus
human
behavior
and
and
I
was
really
proud
of
that
I
mean
my
personally
as
being
Armenian.
G
You
know,
I
know
that
you
know
working
with
my
non-profits
that
we
just
started
we're
focused
on
the
reckless
driving
and
the
street
racing
issues,
and
you
know,
even
with
that,
you
know
it's
still
the
behavior
that
becomes
the
what
becomes
what
kind
of
reveals
itself
versus,
because
we
understand
that
you
know
when
it's
in
situations
like
this,
it
can
be
it's
pretty
much
relevant
everywhere.
So
I
would
say
my
experience
has
been
positive,
but
the
conversations
has
been
I
mean
nothing,
nothing
out
of
the
ordinary,
nothing,
nothing
negative.
B
Something
well
that's
that's.
What
we
can
do
is
so
so
one
of
the
things
that
we
don't
have
to
motion
it,
because
the
Department's
going
to
have
the
data
up
for
us,
so
we
can
explore
it
there,
but
I
would
like
us
to
kind
of
continue
to
chew
on
it
and
think
about
that
about
I
mean
January,
I'm,
sorry,
February,
being
black
and
African-American
history
month
and
this
being
women's
History,
Month
I
think
it's
entirely
appropriate
to
be
exploring
the
diversity
issues
not
of
the
department
and
of
the
commission.
For
that
matter.
B
The
yeah
that'll
be
when
we,
when
we
agendize
items,
we
will
be
working
on
that
we
work
on
that.
Okay.
So
if
there's
nothing
else
for
item
number
three
item
number
four
and
I'm
gonna
I'm
gonna-
need
your
guys's
input
on
this
one
discussion
in
action.
If
any.
Regarding
the
city
council's
decision
business
cards
for
boards
and
commission
members
and
commission
members,
so
Roman
go
ahead.
I.
G
Can
definitely
start
I
know
this
is
a
conversation
I've
had
with
a
couple
of
the
Commissioners
I
would
say
my
recommendation
would
be.
We
would
just
leave
it
up
to
the
commissioner
to
this
in
regards
to
the
business
cards.
I
know
that
council
is
now
giving
us
approval
and
I
think
that
I
personally
would
want
business
cards
to
be
a
thing,
because
you
know
I'm
not
I'm,
very
much
in
the
community
very
much
involved.
G
People
always
ask
me
for
questions
in
regards
to
you
know,
policing
the
commission
what
we
do
and
I
think
it's
a
great
way
to
just
have
something
to
give
up,
but
you
know
ultimately
I
think
what's
more
important
is
when
I
was
at
Nicole.
I
was
the
only
person
without
a
business
card
yeah
so
and
people
would
ask
me
like
well.
Why
don't
you
have
one
and
I'm
like
I?
Don't
know
so
I
mean
ultimately
like.
D
D
Our
job
as
Commissioners
is
to
be
people's
voices
when
we
want
them
to
give
us
impact
on
something
by
giving
them
my
personal
business
card
I'm,
not
giving
them
the
correct
email
address
and
I
think
that
this
is
in
line
with,
especially
after
this
commission,
with
the
fact
that
every
all
our
communication
with
the
public
should
be
done
on
the
City
of
Burbank,
email
account
and
I.
Don't
see
a
lot
of
use
of
them.
I
know
that
they've
been
misused
in
the
past,
but
I
do
think.
B
A
question
for
me
that
comes
up
is:
how
would
we,
how
can
we
self-regulate,
miss?
That's
my
biggest
concern
is
the
misuse
when,
when
a
number
of
us
came
on
the
commission,
there
was
discussion
about
whether
with
the
city
about
whether
we
should
even
have
email
addresses,
because
there
was
concern
about
being
misused
and
that's
a
history
that
we
we
have
to
acknowledge.
But
we
don't
have
to
say
that
it's
it's
our
history,
so
so
the
the
business
cards
is
kind
of
the
next
progression
in
that
as
well.
How?
B
D
I
think,
first
of
all,
one
of
the
things
that
the
email
address
dubs
is
it
gives
the
Burbank
Police
Department
an
opportunity
to
regulate
our
communication
and
one
of
the
things
that
the
business
card
does.
Is
it
keeps
us
in
that
monitored
venue
as
opposed
to
taking
it
off
onto
a
onto
a
personal
level
right
and
if
there
is
I'm
sure
the
City
attorney
has
policies
in
place
for
misuse
of
of
government
letterhead
or
whatever,
and
that
could
be
brought
up.
But
I
do
think.
D
B
And
actually
in
we
recently
over
the
last
couple
of
months,
we
signed
the
code
of
conduct,
that's
all
commissions,
and
boards
are
responsible
for
and
and
one
of
those
items
is
actually
that,
even
when
we're
not
doing
commission
business,
we
have
to
maintain
a
certain
level
of
decorum
because
it
can
be
reflected
on
the
commission
and
on
the
city
as
well.
So
good
point
other
other
thoughts
on
on
business
cards.
G
Just
another
chair
comes
I,
believe
that
if
we
can
show
the
community
that
we
can
utilize
business
cards
without
the
worry
of
any
type
of
misuse
or
misconduct,
then
we
can
prove
that
you
know.
As
a
commission,
we
can
make
important
decisions
and
give
great
advice
to
the
council,
because,
ultimately,
if
you
know
our
jobs
is
to
be
the
Liaisons
between
the
community
and
the
police
department
right
and
if
being
out
there.
What's
really
great
is
that
from
looking
at
the
template
for
the
business
card,
it's
just
a
general
police
commission
email.
G
H
J
And
it
says
policy
regarding
City
of
Burbank
board,
commission
and
committee
business
cards.
The
purpose
the
procedure
is
Roman
numeral,
two,
the
first
person.
The
first
step
of
the
procedure
is
that
discussion
regarding
obtaining
business
cards
must
be
brought
forth
by
a
member
of
the
commission.
The
chief
heard
you
it
got
agendized
and
and
you're
interested
in
the
discussion.
Second
Step
discussion
shall
return
to
the
board
committee
or
commission
once
it
is
listed
on
the
agenda.
So
that's
tonight
done.
J
Okay,
once
on
the
board
agenda
and
brought
forth
during
the
BCC
board,
commission
or
committees
regular
meeting,
the
commission
must
provide
a
written
justification
for
the
necessity
of
business
cards
for
its
members,
so
a
written
justification
is
needed.
The
second
step
is
that
the
once
the
written
justification
is
provided.
Then
the
commission
votes
on
that.
They
agree
that
this
is
our
justification
and
then
the
fifth
step
is
that
that
goes
to
city
council
for
approval,
so
they
approved
business
cards
and
a
process,
but
they
didn't
approve
them
for
all
boards
and
commissions
right.
J
So
they'd
like
to
hear
from
the
commission
what
is
the
written
justification,
so
I
heard
Nicole
I
heard
liaison
to
the
community.
You
have
a
subcommittee
on
School
site,
an
ad
hoc
committee
on
school
safety.
You
have
some
other
ad
hoc
committees,
so
there
is
sounds
like
there
is
a
necessity
for
Commissioners
when
liaise
liaising
on
behalf
of
the
commission
that
they
are
representing.
B
D
Business
cards
if
Romig
and
I
are
at
an
event,
and
we
give
out
our
business
card
right.
That
has
my
that
my
my
Paul
McKenna
email
address.
If
I
give
out
a
City
of
Burbank
police
commission
card,
it's
gonna
have
the
the
police
commission
email
address,
which
can
be.
My
conversation
can
be
monitored
so.
B
B
B
So
so
we
we,
the
the
the
chair,
the
vice
chair
and
the
secretary,
will
periodically
confer
on
notes
whether
it
be
like
romeic
will
work
on
the
agenda
on
the
the
minutes
from
the
prior
meeting.
He'll
run
it
by
us
to
make
sure
everything
looks
okay,
so
we're
making
sure
that
we
don't
have
we
don't.
We
don't
have
a
quorum
in
that
meeting,
but
we
we
try
to
handle
just
the
administrative
business
yeah.
J
H
B
Well,
we're
going
to
do
that.
What
we're
going
to
do
is
we're
going
to
so
here.
Here's
here's,
what
I'm
going
to
recommend
one
of
the
recommendations
I'm
going
to
have
for
us
right
now
in
the
discussion
is
I'm
going
to
recommend
establishing
ad
hoc
committee
that
consists
of
the
chair
of
the
vice
chair
and
the
secretary
to
draft
a
statement
that
would
then
be
brought
back
to
the
next
meeting.
B
The
second
piece
is:
we
have
to
wait
until
we
do
agenda
items
for
future
meetings,
but
I'm
going
to
recommend
in
this
meeting
that
we
agendized
the
discussion
in
the
vote
for
the
next
meeting.
So
that
way
we
don't
have
to
come
back
to
the
table
and
then
push
it
off
for
another
month.
Does
that
make
sense?
Okay!
Does
that
looks
good,
okay
sounds.
G
We'll
be
okay,
if
I
just
make
a
quick
comment.
Sure
and
I
would
say
that.
Obviously
this
shouldn't
be
a
requirement
for
every
single
commissioner,
because
some
Commissioners
are.
They
are
extremely
instrumental
in
the
commission,
but
they
may
not
have
the
time
to
be
out
in
the
community
discussing
people
or
Etc.
But
I
would
say
that
you
know
maybe
that's
something
that
we
can
definitely
put
and
have
that
conversation
about
yeah.
B
I'm
actually
going
to
recommend
you
know
uniformity
for
for
Equity
purposes,
and
so
that
way
we're
not
singling
any
any
commissioner
out
for
either
having
or
not
having
and
just
make
it
a
standard
across
the
board.
Okay,
okay,
all
right
so
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
make
a
recommendation
right
now
for
this
discussion
is
that
we
do
establish
that
ad
hoc
Committee
of
the
the
chair
of
the
vice
chair
and
the
secretary
to
develop
that
statement
to
bring
back
to
the
next
meeting.
B
So
where
everybody's
in
agreement
on
that,
you
know
no,
no
abstentions,
no,
okay,
great
okay!
So
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
do
that
for
the
we'll
do
that
for
the
next
meeting
and
then
we're
moving
on
to
the
very
last
item:
number:
five:
announcements
by
the
police:
chief,
brief
announcements
regarding
upcoming
events
and
or
items
of
note
related
to
The,
Police,
Department
chief.
K
Good
evening,
good
evening
and
I'm
going
to
be
very
very
brief,
so
one
item
that
should
be
notable
for
the
police
commission
is
the
Burbank
police
department
will
be
participating
in
the
baker
to
Vegas
run,
so
that
will
be
April
one
and
two.
So
that's
a
big
deal
for
this
department.
We
have
a
competitive
team,
there'll
be
220
teams
throughout
the
world
that
will
be
participating
very
proud
of
our
folks
as
far
as
the
training
that
started
last
year.
So
it's
all
coming
together.
K
The
weekend
of
April,
1st
and
2nd
on
April
6th
is
the
Community
Academy
graduation,
that's
going
to
be
at
the
station
in
the
mid-level.
Just
FYI,
you
have
a
some
of
your
people
that
will
be
graduating.
If
you
want
to
come
by
and
celebrate
with
that,
and
then
the
last
thing
is
is
that
we
are
still
doing
a
lot
of
heavy
lifting,
as
it
relates
to
our
CAD
RMS
system,
which
is
essentially
the
heart
of
the
organization
as
far
as
technology,
and
that
will
be
onboarded
next
year.
K
But
there
is
weekly
meetings
and
we're
getting
really
really
close.
City
attorney
just
helped
us
out.
As
far
as
the
contract,
this
is
a
significant
purchase,
an
acquisition
for
the
department,
and
it
will
elevate
our
services
to
a
marketing
level
as
it
relates
to
technology,
and
that's
all
I
have
thank.
K
B
Actually
do
have
a
question
for
our
City
attorney
related
to
that
for
the
graduation.
Is
there
an
issue
if
more
so
Paul
is
you're,
the
only
student
in
there
right
now
correct
from
the
from
the
commission.
So
if
we
have
more
than
two
Commissioners
show
up
to
that,
graduation
is:
does
that
become
a
problem
with
Brown
Act.
J
B
J
B
I'm
going
to
encourage,
if,
if
other
folks
haven't
participated
in
the
Academy,
please
please
consider
doing
that
in
future
ones.
So
with
that,
we
we're
now
at
the
point
we're
going
to
introduce
introduce
agenda
items
for
future
meetings.
So
this
is
where
we've
got
some
work
to
do,
based
on
what
we
did
this
evening.
D
D
D
E
D
Was
it
was
the
detective
that
deals
basically
with
the
youth
in
the
City
of
Burbank
and
the
SR,
the
one
SRO
officer
we
still
have,
even
though
they're
not
allowed
on
campuses
anymore,
and
it
was
just
describing
some
wonderful
interaction.
They
have
with
the
with
the
youth
and
with
the
the
challenges
they
have
with
things
that
are
taking
place
so.
D
E
E
D
D
B
D
G
It
makes
sense
I'm
like
and
I
just
kind
of
wrote
in
a
paragraph
due
to
recent
developments
and
Community
concerns
regarding
School
research,
school
safety,
I'm
requesting
the
agendized
report
from
our
school
resource
officers
and
addressing
potential
School
threats.
Specifically
recent
incidents
where
School
threats
are
possible,
active
shooter,
bullying,
cyber
bullying,
gang
activity,
sexual
assault,
any
other.
H
B
So
we
have
four
in
favor
one
abstaining.
Thank
you
all
right,
other
agenda
items
for
next
month,
but
let
me
bring
this
up
real
quickly
on
our
calendar
for
April.
We've
identified
it's
communications
center
week
and
I
I
think
it's
entirely
appropriate
to
have
that
presentation,
especially
in
light
of
some
of
the
items
in
the
Ripper
report
as
well.
B
So
so
the
the
the
the
recommendation
is
that
we
have
a
presentation
from
the
communications
center
on
how
how
the
the
the
the
the
data
reflected
in
the
Ripper
report
is.
It
may
or
may
not
be
reflected
in
their
work.
There's
there's
some
specific
sections
on.
Actually,
let
me
back
up
for
a
minute
in
it's
Communications
week,
so
we
want
to.
B
K
So
it's
really
two
different
processes
and
the
Ripa
process
has
defined
categories
and
there's
a
whole
process
associated
with
that.
That's
separate
apart
from
the
communications
process,
okay,
so
for
the
communications
or
dispatchers,
and
what
they
do
right
and
they're
being
recognized
completely
separate,
can't
cross
over
okay.
K
K
B
B
So
that
would
be
the
agenda
item.
Second,
all
in
favor,
any
opposition.
Okay.
So
that's
unanimous.
Did
that
clarify
we're
it's
it's
just
going
to
be
a
recognition,
we're
going
to
to
just
simply
recognize
the
the
the
communication
staff
in
Rec.
I,
don't
know,
recognize
the
communication
stuff
and
recognition
of
communications
week,
I'm
not
saying
that
right.
So.
C
C
B
G
B
G
G
The
assembly
members
of
seven
Bill
742
proposes
to
restrict
the
use
of
police
canines
by
law
enforcement
and
I
believe
it's
important
for
us
to
review
the
potential
impact
and
consider
any
necessary
changes
to
or
I'm
sorry
any
recommendations
to
Council
in
regards
to
policy
and
procedure
and
get
the
detail
getting
details
around
and
if
there's
any
current
incidents
or
maybe
like
a
five-year
history
on
the
canine
use
and
how
canines
are
used.
Is
there
any
incidents
with
canines
so.
G
It
would
states
that
it
proposal
to
repeal
Provisions
related
to
loitering
and
the
intent
to
commit
prostitution
and
authorizing
a
person
convicted
of
this
crime
to
petition
the
court
for
dismissal
and
sealing
of
their
case.
I
think
it'll
be
interesting.
I,
don't
know
if
you've
had
a
conversation
or
presentation
from
the
PD
in
regards
to
prostitution
or
how
that's
handled
by
the
PD.
If
you
have
any
incidents
here-
and
you
know,
and
how
obviously,
this
bill
will
be,
will
ultimately
affect
law
enforcement.
Here.
B
B
B
Future
conversation
presentation
by
the
department
presentation
department
on
on
prostitution
in
light
of
Senate
Bill,
357.,
okay,
so
all
in
favor
actually
do
we
have
a
second
first,
oh
sir.
Second,
all
in
favor,
yeah,
opposition,
okay.
So
we're
parking
that
one
for
we'll
put
that
on
a
future
agenda
item,
but
it's
not
necessarily
on
the
April
agenda,
yeah,
all
right,
any
other.
Anybody
else
have
anything
I'll
do
the
housekeeping
piece
right
now:
oh,
go
ahead!
Layla.
E
B
B
E
A
J
Putting
a
demand
on
staff,
it's
okay,
so
my
question
in
looking
at
your
agenda
is:
what's
the
what's
their
action
going
to
be,
it's
perfectly
appropriate
to
have
your
action
be
to
request
staff
to
come
back
with
you
know,
because
it's
on
the
agenda
future
agenda
items
is
actually
more
limited
because
the
public
has
no
idea
what
you're
going
to
ask
for,
and
you
can't
advocate
for
something:
that's
not
agendized
right.
So
there's
a
fine
line
between.
We
want
information
versus
advocating
for
a
certain
type
of
information
to
come
forward.
J
J
Just
for
equity
and
hiring
under
that
item,
you
could
have
set
the
so.
The
future
agenda
items
is
really
intended
for
for
matters
that
weren't
otherwise
agendized
for
discussion.
The
public
has
no
idea
that
you're
going
to
ask
for
SRO
information
right,
but
they
do
know
that
you
wanted
to
talk
about
equity
and
hiring,
and
so
you
could
ask
for
a
future
agenda
item
under
that
agenda
item.
B
B
J
That's
inappropriate,
that's
helpful,
because
it's
on
the
agenda:
okay,
yeah!
So
under
future
agenda
items,
you're
really
limited
to
just
you
can't
Advocate
and
get
in
a
prolonged
discussion
about
the
thing.
The
risk
is
that
you're
actually
arguing
for
a
position
right
right
right
right
right,
but
in
this
case
you
know
you
are
the
public
already
knows,
you're
talking
about
equity
and
hiring,
because
it's
on
your
agenda
so
and.
B
J
Well,
I
would
have
preferred
that
under
that
item
you
talk
about
having
it
come
forward
as
a
future
agenda
item.
Okay,
that
future
agenda
items
is
really
under
the
brown
act.
If
it's
not
on
the
agenda,
you're
limited
to
brief
responses
to
the
public
right
or
requesting
a
future
agenda
item
requesting
a
clarification
right,
but
because
equity
and
hiring
is
an
agendized
item
right.
You
can
also
talk
about
having
it
come
back
in
the
future
when
you're
on
that
item
you,
you
know
what
I'm
saying.
E
So
around
is
there
any
kind
of
peer
support
or
otherwise
for
either
female
officers
or
officers
who
are
immigrants
or
other
kind
of
you
know,
demographic
groups
that
you
know
historically
weren't
part
of
you
know,
law
enforcement
and
then
how
has
hiring?
Have
the
hiring
difficulties
impacted
the
diversity
of
representativeness,
I
guess
hiring
goals,
let's
say
of
the
government
and
I
I,
don't
know
if
other.
B
E
B
K
So
not
specifically
I
think
we're
in
two
different
two
different
Lanes
here,
you're
going
Southbound
I'm
going
northbound
so
is,
is
as
far
as
the
the
ask
was.
What
does
this
department
look
like?
Does
it
reflect
our
community
right
and
how
is
that
process
going?
Is
it
challenging
you
and
to
use
your
words?
K
I
know
that
law
enforcement
has
been
challenged
so
as
far
as
hiring,
so
that's
what
I'm
landing
on
right
and
then
we
have
a
wellness
component
that
that
we
have
on
the
Shelf,
because
we
have
training,
Grant
and
all
sorts
of
other
stuff
that
for
the
future,
where
we
can
do
a
deep
dive.
In
fact,
we've
even
considered
or
discussed
having
our
psychologists
present
here.
As
far
as
some
of
the
programs
that
have
introduced
to
the
department,
so
recruitment
hiring
Wellness.
E
E
E
K
B
Those
are
that's
retention,
data,
but
I.
What
I'm
hearing
you
ask
Layla
is
is
whether
it
be
the
wellness
program,
whether
it
be
through
the
psychologist,
whether
it
be
through
another
service,
how?
How
does
what
resources
are
within
the
department
to
address
equity
and
inclusion
issues
on
an
ongoing
basis
for
officers
for
officer
support?
Okay,.
E
J
This
is
a
perfect
example
of
why
setting
this
agenda
item
for
the
future
is
better
under
the
agendaized
item.
Right
so
just
know.
If
it's
on
the
agenda,
you
always
have
the
Liberty
to
explore
these
questions
and
it's
better
under
the
agendized
item,
because
some
people
may
have
turned
off
their
set
yeah
or
logged
out
right
because
they
thought
that
was
over
and.
B
E
J
That
that
last
item
on
your
agenda
is
really
it's
the
limited
items
for
which
the
public
doesn't
have
notice,
you're
going
to
talk
about
correct
that
they're
much
more
concise
statements
of
future
items:
okay,
okay
yeah.
So
these
are
excellent
questions,
and
especially
good
under
the
agendized
item
when
you're
on
it.
E
E
K
Okay,
just
looking
at
the
agenda,
we
have
SRO,
which
is
going
to
be
a
a
pretty
robust
presentation,
canine,
robust
presentation
and
I'm
anticipating
a
lot
of
questions.
If
you
can
give
me
another
month
as
far
as
recruitment,
the
processes
will
also
have
some,
but
then
we'll
have
the
recruitment
strategic
plan
that
we've
put
together,
and
this
would
be
a
great
Forum
to
present
the
recruitment
strategic
plan.
Okay
for
the.
B
B
E
B
At
the
demographic
data,
because
it'll
be
posted
online,
so
we
all
have
access
to
that.
So
we
don't
necessarily
need
an
ad
hoc
committee
to
do
that
unless
they're
doing
some
work
around
that
I'm
wondering
if
we
may
want
to
hold
that
piece
until
after
they
do
the
presentation,
if
there's
a
deeper
dive,
that
we
feel
we
need
to
take
as
a
commission
because
I'm
trying
to
think
what.
What
would
that
ad
hoc
committee
work
on
between
now
and
then,
while
they're
preparing
to
do
a
presentation
as
well
on
the
information
I.
E
J
Chair
yeah,
to
your
point,
once
the
data
is
available
for
each
of
you
to
go
even
the
entire
board
to
individually
go
and
look
at
that
data
and
come
prepared
with
their
own
individual
questions.
When
the
recruitment
strategic
plan
is
being
presented,
wouldn't
require
you.
The
committee
is
required
if
you're
going
to
collaborate.
If
you
don't
collaborate,
you
can
individually
look
at
the
data
and
bring
your
questions
when
the
item
is
properly
agendized.
K
B
B
B
G
G
G
B
J
B
K
B
Okay
and
I
think
the
business
cards
will
be
relatively
short,
but
I
agree.
Yeah,
I,
agree,
okay,
so,
let's,
let's
hold
on
we're:
just
gonna
hold
it
in
the
parking
lot
for
right
now,
romic
and
then
we'll
go
from
there.
So
the
last
item
that
I'm
going
to
recommend
for
for
to
gender
dice
for
the
month
of
April
is
discussion
on
the
the
the
written,
the
written
recommendation
on
business
cards
and
that's
that's
a
commission
discussion
and
decision.