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Burbank Police Commission Meeting - April 20, 2022

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Good evening and welcome to the burbank police commission meeting for.

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uh Wednesday april the 20th 2022, could we call to order the roll call.

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Chair chapman here, commissioner coombs is absent. Commissioner ellmann here, commissioner foruzian.

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Here, commissioner, jacobian is absent. Commissioner liu here and commissioner turner is absent.

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Good, thank you. Before we start. Can I get a confirmation from you.

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Miss nakamura that the city's telephone lines are working.

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From what I understand that they're working intermittently, but.

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Some verizon customers are working and some are not.

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Well, I'm not talking about the people calling in per se. We just need to make sure our city lines.

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Are working so I just let's confirm that our city lines are not affected by any of.

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Whatever is going on externally and our lines are open and available to take public comment.

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They are, we've tested it. Okay, um you may proceed chair.

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Go ahead good, thank you and we'll continue with the flag salute and this evening.

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Officer, ryan rhodes will lead the salute. Please stand and place your hand on your heart.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america unto the republic.

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For which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Thank you officer, rhodes,.

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The public comment period for this evening is coming up in a few moments.

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Few minutes and to speak during this period, please give a call to area code 818-238-3335.

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Again, that's 818-238-3335.

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The city staff will answer the phones and announce to the speakers in a real time.

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To the chair, when the public comment period begins.

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And just to be aware, our phones are working here this evening, but I understand that there are some.

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Issues with some verizon customers, if you have an issue, uh please uh either try an alternate phone.

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um Our commission, announcements and reporting out by commissioned subcommittees.

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uh Do we have any uh announcements or uh anything to report out.

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All right, um we have a a committee, that's working on self-evaluation.

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And I believe, uh is there anybody here? That's.

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On that, commission, I guess not so we'll have to move on, um and then we also have the.

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Chairman chapman, I'm sorry, commissioner fellucian had something good. Okay go right ahead. Okay, thank.

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You um so I just wanted to make sure that uh folks know about um a really great program offered by.

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The department which is called etch and catch, and so I wanted to thank the department for doing that.

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And um you know, the purpose of the program is to etch a kind of unique number onto the.

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Catalytic converter in your car because there have been a lot of recent thefts um because they.

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Are quite expensive, I guess, or the materials within them are quite expensive.

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And so I know I have one of the cars on the list of those most likely.

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To be uh stolen, and so you know I took advantage of the program last time it was available.

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It was quick, it was really easy and hopefully it will help identify those responsible and make this.

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A less appealing, easy option um for theft, um and so I just want to make sure people know about that.

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There are a couple, um you know, auto shops that are kind of partnered with the department that will.

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Etch your catalog converter for free, so you can find that on the department's website and I'm.

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Sure that um folks from the department could share more information about that.

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And then also just a note that we're still awaiting um the traffic safety data, so no.

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Real update on that at this time um and yeah, that's it. Thank you great. Thank you.

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I believe, that's, I believe, that's everything we have there uh now on to oral communications.

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We have no one in the audience here this evening. Do we have anybody on the phone waiting? No okay,.

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All right um that makes the commission response to public comments very short.

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For the uh march uh 16th minutes.

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Do we have a uh everybody got a copy, and we have anybody would like to motion for an approval.

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Mr elleman or commissioner ellen, would you like to make an a motion that we approve the minutes.

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I move we approve the minutes of the last meeting on march without the date 16th 16th. Thank you.

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I'll, second, that and uh commissioner frozen seconded uh all those in favor, say aye.

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Aye aye, mr chair, uh I do want to remind you because we're doing the meeting on zoom.

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We have to take a roll call vote on our votes. Thank you for you for reminding me that um let's.

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Go down the list here, uh commissioner: faroozin, do you approve the minutes for the last meeting? Yes,.

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Okay, commissioner ellman yes, commissioner liu, yes and commissioner chapman. Yes, thank you.

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Now we move on to items of business, presentations and discussion on the department's drone program.

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And we're honored this evening to have officer ryan rhodes, give a presentation on our drones.

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And it looks like he might be, having some help there good evening.

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Good evening, commissioner, members of the police commission staff, I'm lieutenant claudia lisaco,.

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In charge of the investigations division and also oversee our drone program, I'm joined with officer.

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Ryan rhodes, who's, a motor officer and one of the pilots of the drone. I've been a drone pilot for a.

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Couple three years now I've been a pilot myself for over 20 years and have a airport airplane.

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Transport pilot certificate and a commercial and cfi, which means I instruct pilots, so I have quite.

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A bit of experience in the area of uh what's really important is the rules surrounding drone.

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Type flying and flying in general, so this evening, if I could have the powerpoint come up.

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So this evening, myself and officer rhodes will go over a program overview of the drone program.

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We'll talk about a description of the devices that we utilize the common uses that the organization.

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Has used the drones for.

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One of the questions, I believe, was: how does a deployment take place and how we go through the.

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Steps and the process of using the drone so we'll talk about that tonight. We'll talk about benefits.

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Of the drone challenges of the drone and some of the future uses of the drone that we kind of see.

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We're going to go ahead and show a video. This video here was put together. There's.

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Going to be two operations shown in this video, it's about a minute and a half long.

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uh Ryan rhodes uh was the pilot on both of these operations and then he's really really.

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Skillful in putting these videos together so we'll go ahead and play the video and.

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Then he can talk about what you're seeing in the video after it shows.

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Recent ones and both of these incidents took place.

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High up in the in the burbank mountains, um both of which are very inaccessible, which required.

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The use of either a helicopter or drone very difficult to get to on foot uh the first.

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Incident that uh was in the in the video that was shown um was at a time when our airship was.

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Unavailable and some of our local airships were also uh unavailable uh to respond, so we were able.

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To use our drone, we were able to fly it uh for a good period of time until we were able to locate.

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um One of these lost hikers that was up on the hill. Some of the advantages that you could see.

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In that, in that, video again, is that the terrain is very difficult, and this gives us an extension.

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To be able to access these steep canyons, where it's dangerous or very difficult for.

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Us to get officers on foot or even the burbank fire department, as well.

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That's pretty much it for at least those two incidents uh kind of just showing the.

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The advantages in search and rescue, and which has been one of our our common uses for our drones,.

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So the drone is officially known as an suas, which is a small unmanned aircraft system. Unmanned.

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Aerial vehicle uh also synonymous with drone. All those things are synonymous, so you may hear.

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The terms uh used to have a drone or a suas there's no pilot inside the vehicle. Obviously,.

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And it's remotely controlled by a controller, a tablet or autonomously. We don't have.

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Any autonomously controlled everything's controlled by the pilot via the controller.

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Our program was launched a few years ago in 2018.

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All our pilots are certified by the faa. We go through a training program.

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Complete an exam that is uh made by the faa under part, 107 of the federal aviation regulations.

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So all the rules are under part 107, so we operate under 107 and under a coa which is.

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A certificate of authorization which gives us the ability to do some things that the normal.

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Or a civilian wouldn't be able to do without the authorization.

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Currently, we have six trained pilots that can operate our uh our drones.

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Here's the mission you can read it basically to support our officers or.

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Other first responders in emergencies, in a safe, responsible and transparent manner,.

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I'll, let ryan talk about the actual drones that we have.

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So the two drones that we use look very similar. Actually one in the photo is one of the drones.

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That we use- and they are dji mavic 2 drones- one is equipped with a with a zoom or an optical lens.

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That has only a 6x capability, the other drone that we have has a fleer camera on it. Although it's a.

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Limited quality flare, it can help us see. You know in the dark and pick up heat of.

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Of either people or animals or objects inside dark environments.

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So our common uses that we have seen our traffic scene documentation, our traffic bureau uses.

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These extensively on any of our serious traffic collisions where we might have serious injuries.

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Or fatalities, and they use a program that goes along with the drone that will take literally.

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Hundreds of images of a scene and measure them precisely down to uh you know fractions of an inch.

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Crime scene, documentation very similar to the traffic scene, uh documentation the missing persons.

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Hikers in the hills and small children, like you, saw in the videos very, very useful tool for those.

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We've used them during the fires. We've helped the fire department routinely. They would have to.

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Send up a and they still do it, they'll send up a commander into the helicopter to see.

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uh What uh is going on with the fire from altitude? We can do that much more.

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Efficiently with the drone and send back photos to the command post.

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Swat operations.

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And then large assemblies of people we've used it during the mayor's.

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Christmas tree lighting here at city hall and also during our event at family fun day.

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Here's a couple pictures of our factual diagrams. You can see that it maps out very precisely where.

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Objects, cars or other items related to the scene are with very precise, acuity.

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Here's an example of a floor search that officer rhodes was talking about next to the.

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Little helipad symbol: you can see the outline of a handgun and that can be seen at night when you.

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Wouldn't be able to see it with your naked eye, you can see it with the fleur very, very useful tool.

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The drone has the ability to carry a night sun, which is that item that you see on the screen.

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And in this photo you'll see we have officers down there with a suspect that was captured in.

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The verdugo hills after a car pursuit and that's a photo of what it looks like without the night sun.

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On and this next photo, uh this is the drone night sun, not from our helicopter, from about 75 feet.

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Above the uh terrain there, this uh night sun will shone that light on there. That really helps with.

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The officers on the scene so there's there's a significant difference there and it's very helpful.

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In this uh example, we had a call of an armed man in the verdigo mountains and we used the drone.

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To help find the individual that was armed with a with a long gun, and you can see here.

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Going up this road or fire road, essentially.

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What you'll see here in the next photo is up in the left corner of the terrain. You can see.

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A little bit of what looks like smoke to the left of the fire road and that ends up being.

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The individual that we were looking for, he has a little campsite set up there and, as we get closer.

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You can see that there's the little campfire he has he's got a tent and in the next photo.

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You'll actually see him coming out towards the drone that he saw. The advantage here was.

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That the drone was able to see this smoke, the campsite and the man before they came around.

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The corner, the officers were coming around the corner and they were able to guide the officers.

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As it turns out, the individual had an airsoft gun, not a long gun, but if you actually had a long gun.

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This would have been a you know, could have been a very dangerous situation.

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How a deployment works is the need is identified and evaluated.

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So either the officers on scene or the uh sergeant or the watch commander will.

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Usually identify a need, or often times, our officers that are pilots will.

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Hear the call go out and determine that this may be needed and they will give a call to the.

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Sergeant or the watch commander and ask them if they want it deployed, we evaluate the need.

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And we start the deployment, if appropriate, we will do an advisable via our social media, to the public.

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We will set up and launch. We either can launch from the roof of our.

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Police headquarters or we would drive the drone out to the scene and we can launch from there.

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The drone needs to stay within line of sight of the pilot or line of sight of a spotter.

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That could be out forward deployed, so the drone goes up. The the pilot will hand off the drone.

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Visual sight to somebody forward of the scene or at the scene, but the fa rules require.

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That we keep the drone inside of a pilot or an observer. That's in communication with the pilot.

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The feed is live, sent back to the command post by the camera to the pilot to the command post.

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And potentially to the observers that information is then shared with the personnel in the field.

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The of note, the footage is recorded via our axon app, which is our body, camera application or in-car.

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Camera system, all the video is recorded on axon and it's saved just like any other evidence.

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And then, just as importantly as all of this after the.

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Deployment we always debrief the deployment and critique what we could have done better.

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One, what what went well and what we can do better next on the next deployment.

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The benefits of the drone over the helicopter, essentially, are it's very low, operating cost.

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And it's relatively easy to operate. The operation itself is relatively simple.

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The rules around operating it are what's difficult and you need to be able to manage.

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All the different rules that are required like last year, the only cost that we had, I think we.

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Replaced all our batteries, you know so six batteries at less than 100 bucks, a piece.

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That was our entire cost for the last uh fiscal year. uh It's extremely quiet.

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It's able to navigate into tight spaces keeping officers safe, it can operate with low cloud.

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Ceilings our helicopter is very limited uh if the cloud deck comes below a certain altitude.

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The helicopter can't operate, but the drone can as long as it stays out of the clouds. The drone can.

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Operate, and what I want to stress is that it's really not a replacement for the helicopter, yet.

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The way the technology is at this point, but that's potentially on the horizon, some of the challenges.

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We face with the drone are the battery it's very limited. We get about 23 minutes of flying time.

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With the drone, so every 23 minutes uh that thing needs to come back. We need to replace the battery.

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And launch it again and that doesn't- and that does count the time on station. So if it takes us four.

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Minutes to get to the scene in four minutes to get back. That's eight minutes of that. Twenty to twenty.

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Three minutes so it gets uh challenging. Sometimes, if we're for we, we have to deploy into the field.

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The burbank airport uh creates a lot of challenges uh for obvious reasons. It's close to the airport.

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Here in burbank, almost every deployment we have uh has some sort of connection to the burbank.

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Airspace that goes to the surface here, essentially in all of burbank, so we have to deal with a lot of.

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Challenges we can't just go launch the drone on a whim, because there's a lot of rules that we have.

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To be aware of related to the airspace, we have to keep it within line of sight. Like I talked about.

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If it's raining out we're very limited on deploying the drone.

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And uh new technology is addressing some of this uh adsb, which is uh essentially the radar.

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Satellite based radar uh pretty soon the drones are gonna, be required to have that which will.

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Essentially, help us with some of the air space situ issues. Battery life is getting better so.

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The battery life, one of the drones that just came out, is advertising a 40 plus minute battery length.

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Which would significantly improve our time in the air everything's good, just like other technology,.

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Everything is getting better smaller and lighter flying over people. Right now is not allowed that.

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Could change the ability to carry objects if we needed to like in that video with the hiker.

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That needed a bottle of water. We theoretically uh here coming up pretty soon in the next year or so.

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If we uh purchase another, the bigger drone we'll be able to uh put a water bottle onto the drone.

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And bring the bottle to of water to him, and maybe we don't have to feel.

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The urge to go get that person as fast if they're, conscious and awake and the.

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Line of sight requirement potentially may change. So that's uh my presentation.

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Officer, rhodes and I are more than happy to answer any questions the commission may have.

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Great, thank you for your presentation. Gentlemen. Do we have any questions from the commissioners.

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Well, I've got a couple: how uh how large is this thing? How big is your drone? Is it like the size.

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Of a car, is it three feet four feet I'll? Let officer rhodes ask for that: they're, quite small.

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When they're folded up they're smaller than a loaf of bread and then when they're completely extended.

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Out they're, no bigger than your laptop, so pretty small, excellent, excellent. um The you have special.

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Dispensation to operate the drones because you're with the police department just refresh.

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Our memory do the citizens of burbank. Are they allowed to fly drones within the city limits.

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They are under certain circumstances uh there they have to deal with the same exact rules that we.

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Have to deal with uh at least being in compliance with the faa, so they would need to get approval.

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Through the faa, which can be obtained by ordinary citizens, there also is a burbank municipal code.

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Sections that also have additional rules placed on when and where they can be used as well. One of.

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The things that made me think is um when we have a uh an emergency fire or something on the hillside.

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We get a lot of people coming to photograph. Do you have issues with.

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Other drones coming in, we do it's not primarily the police department, with.

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The issues it's typically the fire department that is mostly affected.

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When they're trying to use their water, dropping helicopters and there's drones that are not.

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Authorized in the area- and uh there is federal uh or laws through the faa that do prohibit that.

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So normally that would be illegal for additional unlicensed or.

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On non-city officials from from using a drone in the area, so so typically when there's an.

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Emergency such as a wildfire, the faa will, at our request or at the fire department's request, erect.

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A flight restriction, so it means that nobody can fly in that area generally. A couple miles.

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Three miles up to two three four thousand feet: they're, not able to fly any airplanes any.

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Drones in that area whatsoever, so that's a flight restriction that would be erected and it would be.

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Around that emergency and we could request that through the channels.

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With the faa for any emergency, but typically any wildfire, where you see.

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Helicopters, uh water dropping or surveying you're going to have a flight restriction.

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Is the is the video that is taken um categorized the same way as a body cam where it's it's.

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Cataloged and retained for a period of time, that's correct! It's exactly the same. So after uh the.

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Drone lands, we download the video to our axon system to evidence.com and it is maintained in.

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Exactly the same fashion as all the other uh video or photographic evidence, we have all right and so.

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That could be possibly available through freedom of information. uh At some point, it's available.

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Just like any uh the rules of any other evidence that we we collect- okay, great great, thank you.

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Commissioner ellman, thank you, commissioner. Chapman uh kind of question about kind of the.

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Logistics, uh it seemed to me with the videos of uh flying in the hills that you have to maintain.

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Line of sight, it seems like the pilot has to be higher on the hill, so it has a better visibility.

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Certainly, if you have to fly down into a canyon, you're going to need to be on a ridge top to.

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Do that, but we also have the ability to utilize observers that can maintain a site. So if, if our.

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Drone is deployed at uh you know one of the mesas, for instance up there, where.

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The helicopters land and then has to go over a ridge or so if we have somebody on that ridge.

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That person, as long as you in communication with the pilot, can maintain that visual line of sight.

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What would you say in either training scenarios or in real life scenarios? The time it takes to get.

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The drone pilot with the drone to the area where they're needed.

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I.E, the hills, so it's from the time we decide to deploy, it's probably to get to the hills.

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You know up to one of those mesas, for instance, it's probably about 15 minutes. Thank you.

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All right, well, uh commissioner, prusin! Thank you. um Thank you uh to you both for coming.

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Down and sharing this information with us, I can go. You know um you know. I speak for.

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Myself- and I think some you know a lot of other folks may not be aware, so it's always good to.

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Find out about what the department's doing and all the resources that it has.

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So I just had, I think, two main questions one you mentioned that the department has a coa. I believe.

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You said that was uh stood first certificate of authorization, um and so I'm just wondering.

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What does that allow? What permissions does that? Give that police department versus.

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You know a civilian who's operating a drone. What's the difference, sure great question.

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Generally, it allows us to operate in what's called the class c or class charlie airspace, which is.

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What burbank is in it's the second highest surface area uh protected in the fa system for airspace.

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And it gives us the ability to fly in the burbank airspace, and it also up until recently, you weren't.

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Allowed to fly at night without that koa without the coa, and it did give us the ability to fly.

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At night now we still need to call the faa. We still need to get their permission to fly any.

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Individual mission that uses the koa, so we, while we're responding to the scene getting to the scene.

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Setting it up we're calling a specific phone number to speak to somebody at the faa to get.

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The authorization and then we back it up with paperwork either during and or after the fact.

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But all the background questions are already answered in advance, so it's not a long back and.

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Forth with the faa it's hey, this is who we are. This is what we have. This is what we want to do.

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And there's no need to talk about all the background stuff, they look at it and they uh give.

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Us the approval or don't if they uh decide that it's not uh a necessary use and is that uh you.

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Said it's the second most uh protected airspace. Is that because of the airport, that's correct. The.

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Surface area so uh airspace, for example, that would be more protected or have more requirements, would.

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Be like lax or san francisco, uh you know those are bigger airports, uh much bigger space around the.

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Airport much higher uh is uh protected by the faa, doesn't allow uh other things to get in the way.

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And my thank you um that's helpful and then for my second question, I'm wondering um you mentioned one.

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Of the use cases was around um large assemblies of people, and I think the christmas tree was one of.

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Lighting, maybe it was one of the examples and I I missed the other example, but um I'm just wondering.

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In that process of, you know identifying a need or evaluating that the need for a situation and.

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You know: are there certain criteria or how um yeah? How is it decide? You know there. These are I'm sure.

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Large assemblies happening, you know every week in burbank, um and so I was just wondering what's.

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The criteria there and then also the in another slide. You mentioned that it was um one of the.

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Limitations was not being able to fly over people, so I was wondering how does that interact with the.

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Ability to fly over those type of events sure so, just like any deployment we we might do where we.

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Are going to be on the scene, we take an assessment of what what dangers there might be. Is there any.

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Threats uh potential threats uh and if it would be a useful uh tool for us to monitor, what's going on.

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And help us see what is transpiring around the scene so that that's kind of the the rundown we.

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Make and how how labor-intensive it's going to be to use it? Can we better utilize other resources or.

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Is the drone a good resource for that particular incident? To answer your question about overflight.

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People, if we stay over a building which is generally what we'll do so on the deployment.

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For the tree lighting ceremony, we generally flew the uh drone over the buildings over our building.

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Or over a building next door, we didn't hover or stay over the group of people uh whatsoever and.

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Then, in those uses we also use the anti-collision light, which is a very bright white flashing, light.

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That you can't miss, and we also advertise that we're going to be doing it on social media.

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Commissioner, ellman.

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I think uh commissioner liu had her hand up ahead of me. I'm sorry, commissioner. Thank you.

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Commissioner, um first, I just want to go my fellow commissioners. Thank you. So much for.

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Making this presentation really interesting to learn about this program um and very interesting.

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To see how it has been kind of utilized in a lot of the search and rescue missions, so that was.

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Super interesting, um I know that in your presentation you also mentioned that right.

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Now it's it's not, you know a replacement for helicopters per se, um but it does seem like.

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There are potential, you know, broader uh use cases for drones in the future, given improvements in the.

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Drones themselves and then potentially evolution of of the code and the rules of using it. How do.

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You, how do you kind of see, drones and their use growing or evolving within uh bpd's usage of them.

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Right now, our two major limitations are the airspace that we're challenged with around.

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The burbank airport, so we can't just launch uh on a whim because we think it's a necessity.

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We need to take into consideration the burbank airport and the strict limitations it puts.

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Upon us, the closer we get to the airport uh by blocks literally, you know one block could make.

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The difference, depending on where you're at east west north south, we may not be able to fly at all.

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So that's one of the challenges as you get further away from the airport, it gets a little bit easier.

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But the altitudes are limited, so it starts out at 50 feet. Then it goes to 100 feet out to 400.

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Feet, which is the maximum altitude and if you get into the mountainous area, if you're close to.

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The ground- it's not limiting at all, but it really severely limits what we can use the uh drone for.

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So, depending on how the rules change and develop with the fa on using it.

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Around the airport type airspace, that's always going to be a limit until that gets loosened.

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Up and with the advent of adsb, which is the satellite-based radar for lack for a better term.

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I see that getting a little bit better, but I always seeing it being some type of limitation.

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For sure and the second limitation is just battery life, you know we're limited to 20 22 minutes that.

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Takes into account the time to station and back, and we have to have a couple minutes of you know.

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Emergency time it limits the amount of time we can be over a seen. So those are the two very limiting.

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Factors so if those loosen up or get better, we will be able to utilize the drone that much more.

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Got it? Thank you. um I have a couple more quick questions. uh I see that the strong program has.

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Been operating since 2018 and in every single time you do a debrief on you know, learnings.

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From each deployment and how to improve for future deployments, any kind of takeaways from.

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The past few years that you can share in terms of improving um the drone program and how you deploy.

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The drone sure at this point uh the technology is continuing to improve every you know just like any.

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Other computer type based technology- if you bought something today tomorrow, it's going to be out of.

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Date and it's something else is going to be bigger and better. So we're looking. uh You know to the.

H

Future and if you know the funds are available, we're looking at potentially uh other type of.

H

Equipment and again will help us stay in the air longer and if we could stay in the air longer.

H

We're able to utilize it in a much better fashion as far as things that we could do better. Every.

H

Deployment we do something and if it's the drone or anything we do in police work every single time.

H

We go out and do something. There is something that we could have done better, so, whether it's flying.

H

Higher flying lower flying uh this way or that way or our communication with the ground units is a.

H

Big one, so what I see- and I think is important as the pilot is not necessarily as important.

H

To the ground units or the commanders at the scene at the command post, they may want to know.

H

Something different, so we debrief all that and we learn what we said. What we didn't say and how.

H

We could paint a picture for those folks better. I think those are the main things that we learn.

I

Great, thank you excellent. Oh uh commissioner ellman you have one more question.

F

Yes, thank you uh very impressed with the program and thank you for uh making the presentation.

F

uh Just a suggestion, uh any potential use of the drones on the night of july 4th in this town.

F

For the all the illegal fireworks, so that's certainly something we can look.

H

At uh on 4th of july, the issue is they're going up everywhere. So it's not that we don't know that the.

H

The fireworks are being uh fired off. We, we know that that's happening.

H

But it's a matter of finding and getting to the people that uh are shooting them off before the.

H

Ground units get there right, so it takes us time to respond. It takes us time to get there.

H

Certainly something that we, we can definitely look at. Thank you.

B

Commissioner frozen, thank you. I just had one one more question, so I know in that first.

G

Video that you shared the hiker, uh it said that the hiker was experiencing a mental health issue.

G

um And so I was wondering I mean I, I know um when I've been around a drone now granted, it wasn't.

G

I'm sure at the level of the equipment that you are using, so it may be significantly different.

G

But it was kind of loud, it was kind of unnerving and you know again. Maybe that was somebody was.

G

Flying where they shouldn't have been, you know down my street or in my front yard or whatever.

G

It was, but I was just wondering um you know if you're aware that that's the situation versus the.

G

Other haiku, who maybe was just physically injured, um you know how does that impact the operation.

G

Are there special considerations to not further, um you know, endanger that person or, or you know,.

G

Upset them or the situation that they're going through. It definitely does, especially if it's.

E

Known that, that's something that we're as officers that are trained to try to identify.

E

And then, obviously we're not we're not trying to escalate anything, especially somebody who's.

E

Suffering a mental illness in the video that you saw, we were the reason why the drone got as close.

E

As it did is we were trying to get that that subject attention because they were completely.

E

Unresponsive and appeared to never even notice that the drone was right there, so that was.

E

That was just us trying to gather more intel to figure out how we could help this person.

B

Good. Thank you, gentlemen. That was very informative. We appreciate your presentation. Thank you.

B

All right uh we're going to move on here.

B

To our next item of business is the discussion and potential action.

B

With regard to the commission duties as outlined in the city charter, um I believe mr ellman had.

B

Brought this up, do you have any comments that you'd like to make mr elleman to start us off.

F

Thank you, chairman chapman.

F

It's just something that I think we should have a slight small discussion about since the.

F

Charter review committee has been created uh if you read the charter.

F

Not very clear, but it's only like three quarters of a page and maybe it's enough. uh We have enough.

F

Abilities- and we don't need any more, but I would just like to discuss it and just see where it goes.

F

Thank you all right. Any other comments here.

B

Commission commissioner frozen uh yeah, you know I I looked again at the the uh five. There are five.

G

um Powers or duties that are assigned in the um in the charter- and you know I think you know they are.

G

uh Broad enough, um you know that they do cover the initiatives. I think that we.

G

um Have been taking and and want to take I mean it certainly doesn't include you know any.

G

You know power to make decisions. It's it's an advisory role, a research. You know role, those.

G

Kinds of things and then also a liaison with the community role. So so I don't. I don't see anything.

G

Maybe lacking their um other than there are some police missions in larger cities right that have.

G

Subpoena power or are involved in disciplinary uh processes and things like that, but I don't.

G

Think that that's um necessarily um you know what that there's a you know, groundswell of.

G

Support for that here in burbank and I'm not hearing a um a lot of support for that.

G

um So I don't know if other folks have other, you know, perspectives or have heard other things, but.

B

All right, I.

B

I know that the city of pasadena and their police commission has gone through.

B

Some issues and changes, I'm not sure if our charter commission is reviewing those types.

B

Of things or if it's something that we should even raise a hand to do, we want to.

B

Communicate with the charter committee or send them a statement of some type.

B

Commissioner ellen well, I think you know we should.

F

If we say everything is fine, the way it is it'd be nice to give them just a short letter, saying that.

F

As a commission, we feel whatever uh abilities and rules we operate in are just fine with us.

F

Or we feel there should be a change or, uh but I just think feedback is good for any committee.

B

Now I didn't mention that there might be another alternative. Is that we might ask a.

B

Charter member to attend one of our meetings, um miss o would that be a problem.

D

No, I can't guarantee they'll come, but you can always ask anyone to attend the meeting.

D

Again, as long as the discussion is related to the powers that are enumerated in the charter.

D

And the municipal code, which is in you right within the subject matter, jurisdiction of the.

D

Police, commission I'm unclear what you would have them come and speak to you.

D

About, as opposed to what commissioner allman is suggesting, which is to provide feedback to.

D

The the charter review committee, what would they come and talk to you about.

B

um Well going from commissioner farooz and it doesn't sound like there's a lot of concern.

B

That would like to be raised at the uh am I if I'm correct um at the charter committee, for.

B

Our police commission, uh but mr elleman, you seem to think that there is something there. You know.

F

I don't I'm not saying there is something I'm just saying that this is a once in five-year.

F

Opportunity and if we ignored it, I don't think we'd be doing our due diligence. If we come to the.

F

Conclusion that everything is okay in the charter, I don't think it's going to really be wrong.

F

To just send a letter from the police commission informing charter review that we have the.

F

Opportunity to look at the charter and we are very satisfied with what's in the charter today,.

B

Commissioner lou, do you have any comments? Yeah, um I think, broadly, I I agree with commissioner.

I

Farooz and looking at the charter in the description, it's it's pretty broad.

I

And it's widely encompassing but specifically doesn't involve. You know, actual um commission.

I

Actionable oversight, if you will so, I think in terms of the charter, language itself,.

I

I don't have any concerns with that in terms of um acting on these, these five points potentially.

I

It's something for the commissioners ourselves to reflect on that and see if we can kind of put some.

I

Processes in place, for example, I think the first one is to initiate studies and surveys. I know we.

I

Went through the the community survey that is done every two years, maybe finding a process of.

I

You know um incorporating the commission, then the commissioners more into that into that process, but.

I

There's no actual change to the charter language itself, so I I.

I

The way that I'm kind of reading it and and thinking about it is how does the commission.

I

Take this language and build in more kind of um concrete steps to accomplish them.

I

Versus changing the language itself, which I I personally am fine with.

B

uh Commissioner frozen did you have a comment there? Okay, um I I.

B

I don't think anybody here has attended nicole, yet or perhaps uh commissioner elleman.

B

Which is an organization of police commissions from across the country attend these.

B

Educational meetings once a year or more often,.

B

There is a variety of levels of police commissions, for example, the city of los angeles has.

B

Compared to burbank is much more uh significant as far as authority.

B

To investigate issues and uh to present uh their conclusions, um burbank's.

B

Commission is to me very limited.

B

um Compared to some of the others across the state across the country.

B

It may be worth mentioning to the charter committee that they consider.

B

Reviewing maybe a couple of local um police commissions and see where we.

B

Fall in line and if there needs to be any changes and I'm especially thinking of pasadena.

B

Would anybody have an issue with that or so, mr chair, if I may, my understanding of this.

D

Discussion, item and potential action item tonight was that you, as the commission, wanted to discuss.

D

Whether you were satisfied with your duties and responsibilities, as outlined in the charter.

D

Or whether you wanted to make other suggestions, because there will be at some point, a joint.

D

Meeting or a discussion at city council regarding police commissions, duties and responsibilities.

D

Over the many years that I have attended, these meetings.

D

It has been a recurring theme with commissioners that they are not wholly satisfied with.

D

Their tasks but as commissioner feruzin and commissioner liu have pointed out, the way your.

D

Responsibilities are laid out in the charter and then copied to a large degree in the municipal.

D

Code is very broad. You have very broad powers under both our charter and our municipal code.

D

And in many cases it's been how you use them. um Some commissions have been more effective.

D

Than others largely based upon the membership of the commission itself, so tonight's discussion, my.

D

Understanding of tonight's discussion was going to be. You were going to have a pre-discussion.

D

Before the council discussion about your powers and responsibilities, as outlined in the charter.

D

And commission again, that was my understanding and that's how it was agenda is because that was.

D

Staff's understanding of how this was going to.

D

Happen your suggestion, mr chair, that the charter committee suddenly take on these responsibilities.

D

Which, I think, are your responsibilities to tell them if you are not satisfied and you.

D

Want language changes not for the charter committee to go out and research or make.

D

Investigations, if you will or suggestions as to that you are the subject matter, experts as to what.

D

Your response, as to your understanding of your responsibilities and duties as outlined in the.

D

Charter and perhaps I misunderstand you, mr chair, but I think you are asking the charter committee.

D

To take on what is really your responsibility, if you are not satisfied, you need to discuss it.

D

Come to a consensus and make recommendations to our council liaison and to the council.

D

About the changes that you want to see, not the charter review committee, all right, I'm I'm going.

B

Off our agenda for this evening- and it mentions that uh there's discussion and then potential.

B

Action, and so I was trying to tie the two together there, the potential action would be for you to.

D

Take action to make a recommendation. Yes, making a recommendation is an action and that's why that.

D

Language is there if you, after your discussion, vote as a body to make a recommendation.

D

To the council, that is action, so we wanted to be able to give you that ability to do that and.

D

So, that's why that language is there, but again the underlying discussion was that you wanted.

D

To have a pre-meeting before the council meeting discussion about your responsibilities, all right.

B

um Could I ask I'll come to you in just a moment, uh commissioner faroozin uh and uh mr ellman.

B

Do we have a timeline of where the uh charter committee is.

B

um Are they I, I believe they meet until they decide they're done, but do we have.

B

An idea are they probably going to meet for the next couple of months.

B

Or are they near the end of their discussions.

D

I don't have any knowledge of that. I'd sincerely doubt they are at the.

D

End of their discussions, I think mr ellman may have some more insight.

F

All right, based on my experience, being uncharted review.

F

On the last charter review committee, it probably ran for about six or seven months meeting once a.

F

Month- and I believe I don't know- I don't even know if they've had their first meeting yet, uh but I.

F

Miss oh, what I was my thinking was all different. Let's just say we wanted to change something.

F

That, instead of going to the council, we could write a letter or send a representative to.

F

Charter review and say we want something and then in charter review when they write their letter.

F

To the city council, they can say we have met with the police commission and they would like.

F

To have such and such and then they do their presentation to the council. Am I right or wrong.

D

Well, the charter review committee again is an advisory board, just as you are and they have.

D

Their scope of responsibilities as to what they're advising the council on so I I do believe that the.

D

Way you've outlined the responsibilities is how they would do it on their end.

D

But separately that doesn't preclude you from also, you know making recommendations to counsel.

D

And liaison uh you know, or specifically to our council liaison about what your ideas are. If you.

D

Want to see changes, or, as this commission almond pointed out, if you're wholly satisfied with the.

D

Language and think that it's sufficient, letting them know that as well, um one doesn't preclude.

D

The other, so if you go to charter and you you send a letter or you send a representative to go.

D

Speak at that meeting regarding the commission as a body feelings about the language in the charter.

D

That doesn't preclude you from also reaching out to the council just fyi five years ago.

F

Commissioner diamond from the police commission made a presentation at charter review.

B

Commissioner frozen um yes, this is a question um for you, chair chapman, I'm just wondering.

G

Since you mentioned specifically the changes uh for the pasadena police commission, I was.

G

Just wondering is there anything uh that you saw there, that you felt would would be appropriate or.

G

Possibly appropriate that you wanted, you would want to discuss.

G

Tonight or yeah is there anything kind of specific actually actually not tonight.

B

And the reason is I'd like to get some more input from some other areas.

B

And we're missing a couple of commissioners this evening.

B

I wonder if this might be something that that's why I was asking about the time element here.

B

From uh miss, oh, is, that uh is something is maybe something that we might be able to table.

B

For our next meeting or two meetings down the road, would anybody have an issue with that.

B

All right do I just to be sure, do I need to take a vote to table something? No I've.

B

Got miso right here, miss oh, do we need to take a vote to table something to the next meeting.

D

What I would recommend we have an action agenda item that talks about future agenda items, so we.

D

Can bring it up there if you want to bring back this item at a future uh meeting either the next.

D

One or the one after that, some subsequent one, as I said, I believe you have plenty of time.

D

One suggestion I would make is, if you as individual commissioners, go out and do research.

D

Right on on this issue and how other commissions are set up, how other oversight bodies are set up.

D

What I would implore you to do is not just look at what powers they have, but also look at their setup.

D

How are they different than our body? What kind of resources do they have? What kind of background and.

D

And qualifications do their commissioners have to do these additional responsibilities that perhaps.

D

They are tasked with such as los angeles commission, which is set up entirely.

D

Differently than we are, their duties and responsibilities are incredibly different than we.

D

Are and so just to look at that body and say well, they get to do discipline hearings. They get to do.

D

uh Evaluations of their chief well, they are able to do that because how they are set up, and that is.

D

Very different from how our charter has set us up as an advisory board to our council, so you really.

D

Need to look at the whole picture is my point, but for today's uh purposes, if you are done discussing.

D

This item- it's you know as an initial foray into this topic. We can certainly put it on for.

D

Another future meeting, when perhaps we have all of our commission members present and can participate.

B

I I think you make some excellent points there. um As far as the differences in the.

B

Makeup of their structure as as well as their purpose uh in other communities.

B

However, we're not looking for something that is necessarily going to affect.

B

This commission, this year this month, as you know, the the charter comm committee meets every five.

B

Years well, mr allman, you can confirm that um it's something that we would be looking at for future.

B

Commission style and it would after it leaves the charter commission, goes to the.

B

Council goes for a vote with the citizens. This is something that is long term going down. The road.

B

But if we have any questions or something, this would be the time to get the ball rolling.

B

Commissioner frozen did you have a hand up there.

G

I guess um I'm as I. If you know I just want to clarify that there you know. Are there these.

G

Five um responsibilities or powers laid out in the charter, then there is also information.

G

You know in the municipal code, so I'm just wondering or want to confirm that.

G

We are not um this isn't the moment to discuss the pieces that are in the municipal code, but.

G

Really focusing on what's in the charter, or is you know, is that something up to our discretion.

G

And you know, obviously the charter commission may not um need the feedback around the municipal code.

G

May not go to the charter commission, but that may just go to city council. Those two things.

G

Are kind of tied together in my mind, those two pieces, so I'm just wondering if we wanted to.

G

Discuss both of those pieces at the same time, even though the feedback may go to different bodies.

B

I'm looking at uh to see if there's any other comments coming here.

B

Going back miss, oh uh yes or no do we need to have a vote? If we decide a table? No, you don't need to.

D

Have a vote staff is here. We can hear what you'd like if we need to bring it back, which is what I'm.

D

Hearing we can to commissioner for roosen's point if I understand what I what I believe to be your.

D

uh Statement or question the uh the municipal code largely mirrors our charter, but there.

D

Are slight differences? Oh no! No excuse me, I I don't want to go in the wrong direction here.

B

um What what I was asking is that if we were to table this evening's discussion to another meeting,.

B

Do we need to vote to do that? No, you don't need to vote staff will put it back on.

D

The agenda, if you want to continue discussion when all the other members are here.

D

But the way we agenda the the way we write the language of the agenda.

D

May be different based upon commissioner faruzan's point as to whether or not we're just looking at.

D

The charter or we're also looking at the municipal code, and so this is why I'm following up with her.

D

Comment all right. um Well, I think I think tonight that we were looking at specifically with the.

B

um City charter and nothing beyond that right, I'm just asking if it sounds like we're trying to move.

G

It to another date, and I'm just wondering if we want to expand uh when, when we reagenize this item,.

G

At the end of the meeting, which I think is we have to go through that formal process again, if we want.

G

To include say it's a discussion around the city charter and the municipal code, just as an example.

G

I think, as I understand that the municipal code includes information about maybe how many members.

G

There are right because that's not stated in the charter, the municipal code includes information.

G

About the qualifications, whether they're required suggested and what they are of, the folks who.

G

Who uh you know apply for the commission things like that, so to me those two pieces, you know.

G

I think they fit together, so it's kind of um maybe I apologize for not reading this earlier.

G

But maybe more productive to have a conversation about those two things at the same time, so.

G

Mostly, my question is, if you know wondering uh how you all feel about that about expanding.

G

The discussion to include both those pieces and then to um you, know and then two my suggestion.

G

Would be to then slightly change the new agenda item that we introduced at the end to encompass.

G

The municipal code and charter, if, if we're all in agreement about that, okay, so so you're saying to.

B

Go suggesting that it would be good to go ahead and table this discussion specifically about the.

B

Charter and then, if we wanted to, in addition, add another agendized item about items beyond.

B

The charter that that would be good does everybody else feel pretty good with that.

B

uh Commissioner liu, I just want to clarify, is it that we want to introduce? I guess I'm not hearing.

I

That we want to introduce an additional agenda item but rather amend the current.

I

Conversation to also include the municipal code and talk about them in tandem, since they.

I

Are similar but not but there's some overlap, but it's not identical. Is that.

I

That's what I'm hearing yeah, I'm I'm trying to keep this kind of narrow here.

B

um What I'll be looking at is tabling this discussion until our next meeting.

B

And partly because we're missing a couple of commissioners this evening, three of them.

B

In fact, and then we can at that time if we want to add additional items for more agenda.

B

A future agenda we can expand on that. No, my my suggestion I mean, and I I can save this until.

G

When, as I understand it, we will need this discussion will conclude without any vote.

G

We'll move to the next item at the end of the meeting we have to, I believe, um mizo, correct.

G

You know correct me: if I'm wrong, we will have to uh propose a new agenda item for next month or.

G

The month after which would be again to discuss the charter and potentially make make uh take.

G

An action so my my my question right now is at that time, when the agenda item is introduced to.

G

Around this discussion again um at the end of this meeting, can we say a discussion and potential.

G

Action around the charter and the municipal code. So it's just one agenda item. It's just. Instead of.

G

Literally copying the same agenda item we had today, it's making a slight.

G

Addition of the municipal code to that item- okay- okay, I'm I'm good with that. Everybody else.

B

Then we will go ahead and do that um table the discussion until uh our next meeting.

B

And it will include a slight expansion over just the discussion over charter review.

B

Good with you, uh sharing yeah, okay.

B

Our next item for discussion is a discussion of the hybrid public comments period. Upon return to.

B

In-Person board meetings and commission meetings and our next I believe, and I think we have.

B

uh Mr paglosi, to uh expand on that, but I believe our next meeting is going to be open to the public.

B

Would you like to go ahead there? Yes, sir good evening, mr chair members of the police, commission,.

J

Captain j.j puglisi, so on the april 12th council meeting council decided that, beginning with the.

J

Council meeting that opens to the public on may 3rd that for 90 days forward from that date that.

J

Will continue to allow for remote comment into the meetings, meaning that we would allow people.

J

To phone in to make comments and not have to be present in chambers after that, 90.

J

Days, they'll reassess and determine, if that's something that that they're going to continue.

J

Or that we've reached a point where people can return to chambers if they wish to make a comment.

J

So moving forward for the police commission, we will. We will encourage people to appear in person.

J

At the next commission meeting in may and any speaker that appears in person in chambers will.

J

Be taken first, so speakers in chambers will have priority after any speakers in chambers have.

J

Finished their comments, then we would transition to anyone who has telephone in to make comments to.

J

The police commission meeting with that being said, and this is something that right we've always had.

J

And retained, but just a reminder that, depending on how heavy of an agenda we have and how many.

J

Comments we have that evening. We are able to limit either the total duration for comments.

J

For example, we're only going to take comments for up to an hour or we can limit the amount of.

J

Time that a that the particular caller has when they call in so all callers tonight will have.

J

Two minutes or one minute to to speak and or some combination of both of those things. So that's the.

J

Plan uh moving forward into the coming months for the next 90 days, past may 3rd and after that we'll.

J

uh We'll see where, where it takes us and I'm happy to answer any questions that you might have.

B

Lieutenant piglesi captain captain luke yeah. That's what I thought too. I just wanted to.

B

Make sure the uh the city council has uh already instituted this correct? Did they go to an hour.

B

Limit, or did they do anything specific they they haven't, they haven't right now. What I'm saying is.

J

That you have the right depending if we had some major uh nationwide incident. We had a large agenda.

J

For the police commission- and we were anticipating a a number of callers that night we would be able.

J

To place parameters around the the public comment, so that we could still achieve the agenda of the.

J

Commission that night, okay, excellent, um is there any uh questions or comments by our commissioners.

J

Thank you good. Thank you, sir. I think we have the chief. We do good evening, commissioners and.

K

uh Chair uh uh chapman, uh how are you this evening before I give you some updates on.

K

What's going on and provide some other commentary, uh I've appointed uh captain.

K

Paul galici to be our liaison person as we transition back to normalcy, so that for being.

K

Coming back to uh chambers and what what that looks like. So in the event that there is.

K

And this actually impacts uh of ford boards that meet in the chambers. Then it is televised.

K

Where we can take calls, we can take people coming in for other commissions, it's uh more challenging.

K

But they're navigating through that, but in the event that there is an issue I'm going to have.

K

Captain poglisi provide you the process, so there's clarity for all. In the event, you're unable to be.

K

In the seat per the brown act and miss o, if we misspeak uh please correct us, okay, thank you.

J

Thank you chief. So I attended a meeting a city meeting on tuesday to discuss how we are going.

J

To move forward once we open up for in-person meetings and the expectation of the city, obviously.

J

The brown act is that all commissioners all board members- all council members- would appear in person.

J

For the public, when meetings open to the public now given covid and other circumstances, there may.

J

Be health concerns or something else that arises that makes certain members feel that they're.

J

Unable to to do that, so if those members wish to remain on the board, commission uh etc, then they.

J

Would need to engage the city's ada coordinator to see if there could be accommodations made.

J

For those issues, in the event, after going through that process, that there was an accommodation made.

J

And, for instance, if a commissioner was to remain at home during the meeting and.

J

Participate in the meeting from home, then that would require on the agenda for the meeting.

J

The posting of whatever address that commissioner is going to be at during that meeting, as well as a.

J

Posting outside of that address for the public and in addition, if any members of the public decide.

J

To show up at that address to engage as part of the meeting, it's not something where somebody's.

J

Going to necessarily need to admit someone into their house, but there certainly has to.

J

Be a space available for the public to be able to comment and engage. Did I get all that accurate.

D

That's one possible accommodation if a commissioner were to go through an ada.

D

Interactive process due to a medical condition or a disability such that they are unable to.

D

Personally appear in council chambers for future meetings when we all go back to in-person meetings.

D

Which is going to start in may so that's just one example of a possible reasonable accommodation.

D

That would satisfy the brown act, but also accommodate the the medical need of the individual.

C

Thank you chief, so the uh the city staff uh coupled with the city council,.

K

Have worked very hard to to get back to normal as far as.

K

Our commission meetings and city council meetings, so they want to make sure that they.

K

Are accommodating and in compliance with the brown act, so it um there? What you don't see is.

K

Behind the scenes, work to make sure what we're doing is legal and proper.

K

So that the public is able to participate in uh council and commission sessions, so there is a lot.

K

Of heavy lifting that is done, and I just want to make sure that the commission knows moving forward.

K

So a couple things to report out one uh first off. I would like to thank lieutenant lisaco.

K

And officer ryan rhodes for their presentation, because that what they brought and presented.

K

Here tonight is really a technical skill set that yes excuse me chief, I'm I'm sorry to interrupt.

B

Was this a uh this process, something that we needed to take a vote on? No, we just this is.

K

What the city manager has urged us to do uh uh by way of city, council, okay, okay, okay, sorry and just.

K

uh A report I just thank uh rose and lisaco. They did a a a great job as far as uh some reporting.

K

Out, nicole, the nicole conference is going to be in september. That's 11 through the 15th.

K

So I would ask the commissioners to start thinking about who is interested in attending and then this.

K

Would be an item that we would agendize in may to see interest and to see how how that's going to.

K

Look moving forward. The joint session with city council and the police commission is going to.

K

Be in july, initially we thought it was going to be in june. However, oir has not completed their report.

K

The contract they have with the city attorney's office is that the report will be delivered by.

K

The end of this month, typically, we get 6 10 12 weeks to review respond. There is a session that.

K

Involves the city, attorney's city manager and the police department before it's presented.

K

In a joint session, as far as our responses and if there's anything that we have to do, we have.

K

Time to do that, so it's either going to happen either july 12th july, 19th or july 26th and.

K

Really we're in a holding pattern to see when there's going to be a joint session with our.

K

City council and the burbank unified school board, so we're hoping it'll be july 19th, but.

K

For uh kind of transparency and early warning you're looking at either july, 12th, 19th or 26th.

K

Some other uh notable events that are on the horizon uh april 27th. We are going to have a.

K

uh It's called a morning fuel with your first responders kind of a clever way of saying.

K

Coffee with a cop and a fireman, so it's going to be at the police station, it's going to be in.

K

Back of the police station and that'll go from 8 in the morning till 10 in the morning.

K

If you're available come by, you meet our officers and also we'll have the fire folks out there.

K

On the 30th of april, we have the drug take back event. This will be staged.

K

In the backside of the police department, we do this typically annually pretty seamless process.

K

There'll be a lot of social media postings related to that, and that is on april 30th from 10 to 2.

K

P.M: that's going to be a saturday correct, yeah, okay, thank you and then the following saturday.

K

May 7th is going to be police and fire service day and that'll be at the police station and fire.

K

Station in the parking lots behind the facilities there, they also close up a couple streets. There.

K

uh All of the fire department has the rigs and activities police has all their vehicles. I think.

K

We'll have the chp there that will talk about child safety and cars and they'll have some games.

K

If you have little guys and gals, it is a great event for them, so I would encourage the public.

K

Certainly, to attend and as many commissioners as possible to attend and then my favorite is.

K

Going to be on may 17th when we have muffins with met so uh instead of uh coffee with a cop.

K

We're gonna have muffins with met, we'll have our met team there. It will have muffins and that'll.

K

Be at the miracle bakery which is at 15 29, north san fernando and lastly- uh and this is some good.

K

News for us, because this is the path to getting back to normalcy, is what we're starting up our.

K

Community academy, so that's going to be june, 2nd, is when the uh is that the application process.

K

The start date of the academy is june, 2nd. So that's been a two year hiatus and looking.

K

Forward to that, our department is, and hopefully the community is also so that is my report outs.

K

So, thank you, excellent. Thank you, sir commissioner. Ellen has his hand raised.

B

Mr hellman go ahead a question for the chief. I might be wrong, but did the baker the barstow race.

F

Happen so you are wrong: it's baker to vegas. Thank you, okay, it did happen and we were there. I was.

K

There miss nakamura was there and some other folks were there to support the team. We did not run.

K

We we did well and very proud of our team as far as completing a really arduous race.

K

For folks that don't know about baker to vegas, it starts in baker. California, and.

K

Ends up in las vegas at the rio hotel, it's 120 miles, there's 20 legs and it's a pretty.

K

Grueling course, what was problematic for that race is that at the start of the race- and it's.

K

A staggered start: there's about 230 teams, law enforcement teams throughout the world that.

K

Participate and it's a staggered start starting at 0, 9, 10, 11 1200 hours, all the way for the.

K

Fastest team at 1700 hours five in the evening, but for the teams that went off during the.

K

Heat of the day, 100 degrees running on asphalt, kicks it up to 11520. Had some folks.

K

On many teams that had to have a medical intervention, we had a an incident, but our folks.

K

Were able to complete the race and uh finished in the top ten and again very proud of them, but it.

K

Was a collective team effort? You have 20 runners, but we probably had more support personnel to.

K

Support our team and the logistics all of that- and it was a great uh great event.

K

For all, and thank you, commissioner ellen for reminding me because I forgot all about that.

F

Thank you for correcting me on my geography. You are so correct. That's all right! Okay,.

B

Good. Thank you good. Thank you, sir.

B

Do we have uh we have our list of pending items for future agenda items.

K

uh Chair this is what I'm gonna recommend. If it's all right. Yes, sir, I I anticipate that.

K

There's gonna be a robust conversation with all seven commissioners next next session.

K

Robust conversation yeah about what you have tabled in addition to a met.

K

Presentation, the self-evaluation subcommittee report and also nicole and.

K

For the sake of our staff and the lifting associated with that, I'm going to recommend that.

K

You kind of look at those four items so that we can get ready for uh june all right.

B

There's not to preclude that nobody can suggest something for beyond beyond that and do whatever.

K

You want to, but uh uh to to optimize on what you want to do, I'm just throwing it out there and miso.

K

May want to weigh in excellent all right. uh Isn't everybody in agreement for our next meeting that.

B

Would look good, I'm sorry. Could you repeat that four items I missed, maybe the last one or two.

G

Chief, um the the chief suggested that, because of the items and the probable time, involvement.

B

For next meeting, we have the uh tabled discussion that we had. We've got a discussion on the.

B

Meh presentation uh we've got the self-evaluation coming up in may and nicole, nicole, nicole. Yes,.

B

um And that probably would fill a good evening right there.

B

There are other items that are on our pending list, but pending means that.

B

They're coming up, but we don't have a specific time necessarily for them.

B

One thing that I would like to add: I was requested to do this.

B

Is for a a future meeting, not in may that we.

B

Review business cards um and what I would like to do with that item agendized item is to agenda.

B

As a discussion of requesting the council for the permission to use the business cards along with.

B

A request to the city manager's office for guidance on the use of the cards and.

B

Possible issues that might come up with misuse of the cards.

B

Would anybody have any problem in seconding that, as a motion for a future agenda item.

B

Do I have a second for it.

B

Doesn't sound like the motion's gonna pass? Nope? Okay, that's it! um Our next meeting, then.

B

Does anybody else have any other suggestions for future agenda items uh commissioner frozen.

G

I just wanted to clarify uh mizod. Do we need to motion for a new item around the city charter.

G

And the municipal code, or is our discussion prior enough to add that to the next agenda.

D

The discussion is enough: um I clearly understand what you want so we'll agendize it accordingly.

B

Are we good okay? Our next meeting, then, is on wednesday may 18th at.

B

uh 6 p.m. We are now adjourned. Thank you.

B