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From YouTube: Burbank Police Commission Meeting - May 18, 2022
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Burbank Police Commission Meeting - May 18, 2022
A
B
B
Tonight
the
things
are
a
little
bit
different.
Now
that
we're
all
here,
the
public
comment
period
will
be
upcoming
in
a
few
minutes
for
community
members.
Here
in
person,
please
complete
a
speaker's
card
and
hand
it
to
the
staff,
miss
nakamura
for
members
who
wish
to
phone
in
their
comments,
please
give
a
call
to
area
code
818-238-3335.
D
You
like
to
go
first,
thank
you.
We
submitted
for
this
evening
a
report
that
we're
going
up
draft
report
that
we're
going
to
be
reviewing
for
the
evaluation
of
the
of
the
of
the
commission
also
just
wanted
to
report
out.
That
is
this,
the
reporting
out
time
as
well
on
activities.
Yes,
okay.
I
also
just
wanted
to
report
out
that
yesterday
I
was
able
to
participate
with
the
mental
health
evaluation
team
in
a
ride
along
yesterday
afternoon.
It
went
really
well.
E
I
attended
a
ride-along
with
sergeant
moroccan,
I
believe,
he's
part
of
the
gang
unit
with
my
community
friend,
michael
thomas,
and
we
had
a
really
great
conversation
about
the
different
gangs
and
took
us
to
some
certain
areas
where
we
actually
saw
some.
You
know
gang
members
and
he
was
able
to
engage
and
it
was
really
wonderful
seeing
him.
E
You
know,
work
with
the
gang
members
and
building
that
rapport
and
just
learning
about
that
world
and
and
the
day
before
on
the
17th
at
8
am
I
I
went
to
the
muffins
with
met
event,
which
I
think
was
fantastic.
On
the
14th
of
may
I
attended
the
boys
and
girls
club
annual
gala
on
the
7th
of
may
at
9
a.m.
E
I
attended
the
paleonta
police
and
fire
service
day
and
on
april
30th
I
attended
the
burbank
chamber
of
excellence
awards
and
I'll
also
be
reporting
out
that
today
I
will
be
unfortunately
leaving
early
due
to
graduating
for
the
leadership
burbank
twin
2022
class,
so
I
do
apologize.
I
know
I'm
going
to
miss
a
lot
of
wonderful
conversations,
but
just
want
to
apologize
in
advance
and
thank
you
guys
again.
F
G
You
I
also
attended
the
coffee
for
the
cop
here
at
the
or
not
here
across
the
street,
at
the
police
station
earlier
this
month.
It
should
be
here
earlier
this
month.
I
attended
the
coffee
with
a
cop
at
the
police
headquarters
as
well,
which
was
great
just
got
a
little
bit
of
inside
information
about
what
was
coming
at
the
police
and
fire
day.
G
That
was
a
few
days
later,
which
I
also
attended
with
my
family
and
attended
the
met
team
community
event
as
well
at
miracle
bakery,
which
was
great
just
to
hear
directly
from
the
folks
on
the
team.
You
know
kind
of
how
they,
how
they
ended
up
there
and
and
what
that
looked
like
and
and
what
they
do
every
day
and
and
besides
that
just
did
you
know
a
little
bit
of
prep
and
research
in
terms
of
our
conversation
tonight,
and
thank
you
to
the
three
of
you.
B
B
H
C
H
It's
pretty
pretty
amazing
to
watch
and
there's
a
ceremony.
They
ride
their
bikes
around
the
memorial
there
and
we've
had
our
folks
do
that
in
the
past
next
year
will
be
matthew,
pavelka's
20th
anniversary
when
he
was
killed
in
line
of
duty.
So
we
anticipate
folks
participating
in
the
bike
tour
and
also
a
greater
representation
during
national
police
week.
B
D
Yeah
sure,
like
I'm,
requesting
that
we
move
some
things
around
on
the
agenda
this
evening,
I'd
like
to
recommend
that
we
move
item
one
and
three
and
join
those
together
and
then
we
move
item
two
to
become
item
one
on
the
agenda
to
allow
the
mental
health
evaluation
team
to
make
the
presentation.
First,
all
right.
G
B
H
I
B
So
yeah,
okay,
okay,
we
still
have
four.
I
think
we
can.
Yes,
yes,
yes,
okay,
excellent!
Thank
you!
The
minutes
are
approved
in
our
items
of
business.
The
second
will
become
first
and
we'll
start
off
with
a
presentation,
discussion
and
recommendations.
If
any
of
the
mental
evaluation
team,
mental
health
evaluation,
team
meta
or
met
in
a
decade
and
I'm
not
sure
who's
coming
up,
but
would
you
give
us
your
name
and
what
you
do.
J
L
J
J
J
J
J
Another
facet
of
our
case
management
includes
linkage
and
referrals,
med,
provides
resources
and
referrals
to
individuals,
families
and
community
members
alike.
Examples
include
resources
and
linkage
linkage
of
minors
in
need
of
mental
health
services
seniors
in
need
of
individual
support
veterans
accessing
va
benefits
and
families
that
are
having
difficulties,
navigating
the
system
and
seeking
mental
health
services
for
their
loved
one.
J
Okay
met
also
regularly
participates
in
their
own
professional
development.
To
ensure
that
met
is
abreast
in
the
needs
of
the
community.
This
includes
trainings
that
address
the
needs
of
developmental
disabilities,
cultural
awareness
and
diversity,
suicide
prevention,
de-escalation
techniques,
crisis
negotiation
and
and
professional
best
practices.
J
J
L
L
The
burbank
police
department
collaborated
with
the
los
angeles
county
department
of
mental
health
to
provide
an
appropriate
response
modeled
to
those
experiencing
mental
illness
and,
as
a
result,
the
burbank
police
department
became
one
of
the
first
municipal
cities
in
the
greater
los
angeles
area
or
region
to
implement
a
mental
health
evaluation
team
and
just
to
give
you
a
quick
insight
into
my
role.
So.
L
A
quick
insight
is,
I
collect,
maintain
and
analyze
data
regarding
our
department's
psychiatric
holds
as
well
as
our
own
outreach
contacts
and
activities.
I
work
closely
with
the
met
officer
and
a
licensed
clinical
social
worker
to
coordinate
our
case
management
and
follow-up
efforts,
so
I
review
the
department's
mental
health
holds
to
identify
people
who
could
benefit
from
our
services
information.
L
I
also
look
for
information
that
stands
out,
such
as,
if
a
minor
was
placed
on
a
hole
taken
to
the
hospital
or
a
person
has
been
taken
to
the
hospital
more
than
twice
a
year
as
well,
if
there
was
an
active
suicide
attempt
or
if
the
person
that
we
that
pd
or
us
placed
on
a
hold
and
they
have
registered
firearms,
a
look
into
the
data
entry
and
extraction
that
I
do
looking
at
the
mental
health
holds.
I
I
look
at
the
subject:
demographics
such
as
age
range
and
residence,
as
for
calls
for
service.
L
If
you
want
to
look
on
the
screen,
I
collect
days
of
the
week
of
the
days
that
the
holds
take
place
the
time
of
the
day
and
as
well
as
duration
of
call
time.
So
if
you
look
on
the
screen
you
can
see,
as
of
last
year,
the
tuesday
was
the
highest
day
as
far
as
holds
being
taken
place,
but
the
year
prior
it
was
not.
It
was
actually
one
of
the
lowest
but
monday
and
2020
was
considered
the
highest.
L
As
you
can
see,
the
calls
for
service
they're
only
a
fraction
of
what
of
what
our
duties
consist
of.
Primarily,
we
do
a
lot
of
follow-ups,
consultations
and
those
can
take
place.
You
know
within
the
field
over
the
phone
can
be
conducted
at
the
front
counter
and
we
also
do
contacts
within
the
jail
so
the
and
for
the
purpose.
This
data
does
not
only
attract
mental
health
trends,
but
it
highlights
the
needs
of
the
community
and
just
to
give
you
a
brief
overview.
L
D
I
can
start
it.
Thank
you
first
off.
Thank
you
all
for
being
here
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
go
with
you
out
with
you
yesterday.
It
was
it
was.
It
was
an
honor
to
be
able
to
do
that.
I
understand
that
a
lot
of
the
issues
that
you
deal
with
are
very
sensitive
in
nature,
so
their
privacy
is
a
big
issue,
so
I
really
appreciate
having
the
opportunity
to
be
able
to
go
out
and
I'm
going
to
do
my
best
to
make
sure
I
don't
talk
about
any
specific
case
related
issues.
D
So
first
I
was
wondering
and
actually
officer
kyles.
If
you
wouldn't
mind
starting
with
this,
if
it's
okay,
one
of
the
things
that
makes
your
team
effective,
is
the
relationships
that
you
establish
in
the
community.
It's
not
just
responding
to
calls.
It's
not
just
logging
logging,
the
status
of
your
calls,
but
actually
going
out
and
developing
relationships
in
the
community,
I'm
wondering
actually,
if
you
and
if
the
team
wants
to
talk
a
little
about
the
nature
of
those
relationships
and
why
those
relationships
are
important.
K
Yeah,
so,
basically,
when
we
talk
about
like
relationships,
we
build
relationships
in
in
multiple
kind
of
ways,
so
sometimes
dispatch
will
get
calls
and
it
will
be
somebody
who
will
continuously
call.
It
won't
necessarily
be
like
an
emergency
situation
where
police
need
to
come
out,
but
they
still
need
some
type
of
assistance,
so
we
will
reach
out
to
that
person
and
basically
help
them
with
their
situation.
K
So
once
we
are
able
to
connect
them
to
those
resources
a
lot
of
times,
they
will
continue
to
call
us
and
tell
us
how
things
are
going,
and
if
something
is
going
wrong,
then
we
can
either
call
we
can
either
call
them
to
figure
out.
What's
going
on,
we
can
go
out
to
them
and
just
like
continue
to
outreach
a
lot
of
times
after
we're
done
with
the
call
some
of
the
the
community.
K
Okay,
so
we
work
a
lot
with
the
libraries
so
for
today,
for
example:
today
they
they
call
us
if
again,
if
it's
not
an
emergency
situation,
but
they
feel
like
someone
needs
help.
They
know
that
they
can
directly
call
us
and
we'll
we'll,
go
out
there
and
respond
to
see
what
kind
of
services
we
can
provide
a
lot
of
times
like
park
and
rec.
They'll
call
us
if
there's
an
individual
who
may
need
like
housing,
assistance
and
they'll
call
us
and
street
plus.
K
So
we
work
closely
with
street
plus,
who
is
a
homeless
outreach,
and
if,
if
someone
needs
housing
services
we'll
go
out
and
evaluate
to
make
sure
that
you
know
if
they
do
need
mental
health
services,
that
we
can
provide
that
as
well
and
then
street
plus
will
provide
the
housing
resources
a
lot
of
times
street
plus
to
get
into
housing.
You'll
need
ids,
and
so
we're
able
to
provide
them
with
free
housing
vouchers
as
well
and
yeah.
D
C
L
D
So
it's
got
to
be
tough,
then,
because
you're
there's
a
lot
of
call.
There's
there's
calls
for
service
outside
of
the
time
you're
available
and
you're
doing
a
lot
of
case
management
work.
When
you
come
in
and
follow-up
work,
how
does
one
team
cover
the
entire
week
by
themselves?
How
does
how
does
that
work
or
how
doesn't
that
work
for
you.
K
H
So
I
believe
I
understand
where
you're
going
with
your
question
and
we
have
been
approved
for
a
second
met
team.
So
it's
a
matter
of
getting
a
dmh
to
support
an
additional
met.
Team
we've
had
a
special
vehicle
ordered
for
over
a
year,
and
this
is
a
setback
due
to
covet
and
the
goal.
The
organizational
goal-
and
I
don't
want
to
take
any
thunder
away
from
them-
is
to
have
at
least
a
six
day
deployment,
possibly
a
seven
day
deployment,
and
that
is
the
what
we're
going
to
try
to
achieve.
H
But
it
also
requires
the
partnership
with
dmh,
and
that
means
that
someone's
going
to
work
a
weekend
and
we
have
to
navigate
that
so
the
conceptual
discussion
with
our
team
now
and
for
the
future
we've
had
those.
So
as
soon
as
our
vehicle
comes
in
and
dmh
supports
what
we're
going
to
do
moving
forward.
D
With
that,
that's
fantastic,
and
I
I
appreciate
you
trying
to
set
limits
with
your
off
time,
but
also
appreciate
the
fact
that
you're
willing
to
pitch
in
and
help
others
out
throughout
the
week
I
want
to.
I
want
to
take
this
one
step
further,
and
then
I
want
to
hand
it
off
to
my
colleagues.
Here
is
one
of
the
calls
that
we
went
on
was
not
necessarily
it
was.
D
It
was
almost
like
a
welfare
check
of
sorts
that
might
have
actually
been
better
handled
by
another
type
of
a
social
service
team,
and
so
this
kind
of
goes
outside
of
of
the
work
of
of
the
police
department
and
the
police
commission,
but
you're
carrying
you're,
clearly
carrying
enough
cases
enough
calls
for
service
to
warrant
additional
teams,
and
it's
great
to
hear
that
there's
gonna,
be
an
expansion
of
teams
down
the
road,
I'm
wondering.
Would
there
be
a
benefit
to
an
expansion
of
other
social
service
resources
that
you
could
partner
with
in
burbank?
K
So,
like
I
said
the
we
get
a
lot
of
calls
dealing
with
the
elder
population
and
a
lot
of
it
is
someone
may
be
on,
may
have
dementia
and
so
we're
trying
to
figure
out
like
what
we
can,
how
we
can
help
this
individual.
But
again
it's
not
a
police
concern,
so
those
we
respond
to
those
type
of
calls
a
lot.
So
that
would
actually
help
a
lot
if
we
could
have
outside
sources.
K
K
K
Yeah,
so
if
if
families
are
experiencing
some
a
crisis
situation,
we
will
provide
them
the
pmrt
number,
the
psychiatric
mobile
response
team,
that's
with
the
county
of
la
with
the
department
of
mental
health,
and
so
there
are
two
two-man
team
like
us,
but
with
two
social
workers.
So
we
we
also
provide
that
option
if
they
don't
want
police
response
their
24
hours.
The
response
time
is
a
little
bit
later,
but
we
do.
We
do
like
to
offer
that
suggestion
just
in
case
we're
not
available.
B
K
Yeah,
for
the
most
part,
there
are
some
sensitive
situations
where
someone
who
is
experiencing
mental
health
crisis,
where
you
know
they
may
get
a
little
violent
or
they
may
be
damaging
stuff,
and
so
we
try
to
draw
the
fine
line
between
like
when,
should
they
be
arrested,
and
when
should
they
be
taken
to
the
mental
health
hospital,
so
it
kind
of
just
depends
on
the
situation.
We
try
to
help
the
family
as
best
as
we
can
and
sometimes
a
criminal.
B
K
Oh,
no
so
for
for
calls
that
are
considered
crisis
and
that
may
be
like
kind
of
dangerous.
We
send
multiple
units,
but
we're
also
there
to
respond.
So
if
the
individual
is,
it
does
become
a
criminal
matter.
I
will
still
usually
write
the
report
depending
on
the
situation,
and
then
we
still
help
like
navigate
what
happens.
K
B
We
we
have,
for
a
number
of
years,
many
years
have
had
police
chief
chaplets
representatives
from
the
community
of
different
faiths,
a
rabbi,
a
minister
whatever
who
participated
in
some
crisis
issues
for
families
say
like
the
loss
of
a
family
member
or
something
do
is
the
art?
Is
the
chaplain's
group
still
active
and
do
they
work
with
you
or.
K
Yes,
so
we
there's
a
couple
of
situations
so
when
we
were
providing
homeless
outreach,
there
are
some
individuals
who
had
a
strong
belief
in
their
faith,
so
we
reached
out
to
the
chaplains
and
the
chaplains
said
that
they
would
help
help
locate
this
individual
and
see
what
kind
of
services
they
can
provide
and
then
also
as
well.
When
we
have
had
community
members,
lose
a
loved
one,
they're
contacted
and
see
if
they
can
come
out
to
the
scene
to
help
the
families.
K
So,
basically,
when
someone
is
placed
on
a
5150
hold,
we
we'd
like
to
tell
the
families
that
it's
just
an
application
for
the
possible
for
a
possibility
of
a
72
hour
hold.
We
are
just
transporting
them
to
the
hospital
and
then
it's
up
to
the
hospital
to
determine
whether
or
not
they
actually
meet
that
criteria.
So
once
the
doctor
evaluates
them,
sometimes
they
can
be
released
right
then,
and
there
and
then,
if
they
feel
like
they
do
need
to
be
on
a
hold.
K
Then
they
will
keep
them
and
then
each
day
they're
continuing
to
evaluate
them
to
see
how
long
they
need
to
be
on
the
hold.
There
are
a
lot
of
people
experiencing
mental
health
crisis
right
now,
so
there's
a
lot
of
shortages
on
beds.
So
it's
kind
of
it's
it's
up
to
the
doctors
to
determine
like
how
how
much
of
a
person
is
in
crisis
triage.
K
B
G
J
J
And
so
since
you
know
the
transient
they're
moving
around
the
community,
if
we're
trying
to
get
them
linked
to
services-
and
it's
not
going
to
happen
right
then,
and
there,
how
do
we
get
in
contact
with
them?
And
so
something
as
simple
as
that
officer
kyle's
also
discussed
the
identification
as
well.
A
lot
of
places
are
going
to
need
id
and
so
having
some
kind
of
case
management
support
something
local
within
the
city
that
they
can
address.
Those
issues
would
be
helpful.
K
And
I
think
a
lot
of
the
concerns
for
the
families
is,
is
the
wait
time
we'll
ask
them?
Are
they
linked
up
to
services
and
a
lot
of
them
will
say
it
will
take
months
before
they
can
get
the
next
appointment?
And
so
we
we
tried
to
help
like
fast
track
them
to
some
services,
but
even
then
it
could
still
be
weeks
before
something
actually
happens
for
them
and
and
a
lot
of
families
need
something
to
happen
right
now.
So
I
think
that's
the
main
concern
for
the
communities.
J
B
K
There
there
is
funding
for
this,
it's
just
probably
like.
Where
is
all
the
funding
going?
Where
can
we
put
some
and
where,
like
special
places,
but
the
state
is
involved,
the
state
understands
that
there
there
are
concerns
within
the
communities.
I
think
it's
just
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
navigate
the
system
again.
So.
A
D
Yeah,
I
have
a
comment
and
a
question
commissioner
ferozin
frozen
brought
it
up
a
moment
ago
about
who
we're
serving
in
the
community
and
and
and
and
their
their
their
role
in
place
in
the
community,
which
I
appreciate
you
bringing
up.
I'm
wondering
I
can
actually
turn
this
question
to
miss
casanova,
one
of
the
things
that
happens
sometimes-
and
I
definitely
know
what
happens
here
in
burbank-
sometimes
is
there's
a
sense
of
us
in
them
and
something
that
I'd
like
to
emphasize.
D
With
some
of
the
data
that
your
team
has
pulled
together
and
everything
is
the
majority
of
calls
that
you
go
out
on
are
residential
calls.
I
believe
so.
So
those
are
those
are
residents
in
burbank
and
I'm
wondering
if
you
can
touch
bases
on
the
the
us
versus
them
piece
and
and
the
importance
of
providing
these
services
here
in
the
community
to
to
our
residents.
It's
not
an
outside
group,
or
anything
like
that.
D
That's
coming
in
that
we
need
to
provide
these
services
to,
but
the
importance
of
really
focusing
on
the
needs
of
this
community,
especially
with
amazed
mental
health
month
with
one
in
four
people
needing
mental
health
services
at
one
point
in
their
life.
That
type
of
thing
would
you
mind
addressing
that.
J
F
F
K
Yeah
so,
while
I'm
at
work,
my
my
team
does
a
good
job
of
supporting
me
and
I
think
we
support
each
other
very
well.
After
each
call
we
decompress
we
talk
about
what's
going
on
and
then
when
we
go
home
you
know
we
enjoy
our
families,
we
we
basically
enjoy
our
families
and
you
know
we
try
to
have
fun,
and
then
we
come
back
to
work.
We
start
over
again.
K
So
for
most
individuals
that
we
do
come
into
contact
with
while
we're
talking
to
them,
we
do
ask
if
there
is
a
substance
abuse
or,
if
they're,
using
substances
and-
and
we
we
just
like
to
tell
them
that
we
do
ask
everyone
these
questions
just
so.
We
can
kind
of
see
like
what
type
of
referral
we
may
need
to
provide
and
like
where,
where
the
mental
health
concern
is
coming
from.
K
So
we
will,
we
will
talk
to
the
family,
we
will
evaluate
the
individual
and
we
will
explain
whether
or
not
they
meet
the
criteria.
A
lot
of
families
do
get
upset,
but
we
like
to
tell
them
that
this
isn't
a
one-time
thing.
They
may
not
meet
the
criteria
right
now,
but
we
can
continue
coming
out
and
we
can
continue
working
with
them
until
we
can
find
a
solution.
J
K
J
J
I
would
say
it's
pretty
common,
so
we're
gonna
address
it
as
is,
and
so
as
a
mental
health
crisis.
We're
gonna
address
it.
You
know
we're
not.
We
don't
discriminate.
If
you
know
someone
said
that
they,
you
know
just
got
high
on
something
we're
gonna
address
it
as
it
is.
You
know
as
as
as
fit
to
address
you
know.
Hopefully
you
know
we
can
help
them.
You
know,
put
them
in
a
better
situation.
G
You
know
a
car
break-in
or
things
like
that
or
you
know
stealing
a
purse
or
something
are
you
all
usually
called
on
those
occasions
or
involved
in
in
those
incidents,
and
is
that
kind
of
approached
with
the
same
sort
of
referral
and
kind
of
that's
what
I'm
looking
for
diversion.
You
know
versus
yeah
for
folks,
where
there's
substance,
use
disorders
involved
and
potentially
mental
health,
as
you
mentioned,.
K
Those
are
case-by-case
situations,
so
if
it
comes
out
as
a
theft
call
patrol
will
usually
respond
first
and
then,
based
on
their
engagement
they'll
determine
whether
or
not
we
need
to
come
out,
and
so
we
we've
gotten
a
lot
of
those
calls.
Where
patrol
knows
that,
there's
something
else,
that's
going
on
so
they'll
request
for
met,
and
if
the
family
is
like
adamant
for
them
to,
you
know
be
arrested
for
that
situation.
K
J
And
and
if
there
is
a
mental
health
component
to
that,
we
also
work
with
there's
a
department
of
mental
health
court
liaison
that
she
works.
She
covers
the
courthouse
here
in
burbank,
and
so,
if
they're
gonna
someone
with
a
mental
health
condition,
that
is
in
the
legal
system,
we
outreach
to
her
to
help.
You
know
also
intervene
on
on
that
side
as
well.
B
B
H
B
H
Jump
in
on
that,
yes,
sir,
so
when,
when
we
began
the
program
in
2012,
we
recognized
that
we
were
seeing
an
inordinate
number
of
involuntary
holes
when
our
met
team
talks
about
a
5150.
That's
the
5150
of
the
welfare
and
institution
code
and
that's
an
involuntary
hole
and
we
saw
a
spike-
and
I
had
a
conversation
with
number
two
at
dmh
and
asked.
H
H
H
In
addition
to
that,
and
I'm
very
proud
of
our
program-
and
these
folks
do
a
great
job,
there
there's
a
lot
of
humility
here.
They
just
work
very
hard.
There's
no
bravado
or
puffery
and
they've
they've
been
recognized
not
only
in
the
state
of
california
in
l.a
county,
but
also
nami.
They
received
a
nami
award.
H
So
these
are
the
folks
that
do
the
heavy
lifting
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
want
to
expand
the
team
and
actually
we've
got
budget
approval
to
expand
the
team
and
and
the
other
and
I'm
afraid
to
say
it.
But
out
of
all
the
encounters
that
they've
had,
they
have
not
had
one
use
of
force,
which
is
remarkable,
so
that's
just
a
kiss
of
death
for
them
right
now,
but
but
but
it
speaks
to
the
work
they
understand
what
their
mission
is
and
how
to
manage.
H
Manage
these
really
difficult
and
complex
cases.
Then
you
go
to
community
expectation.
This
is
the
city
of
burbank.
The
community
has
exceptional
expectations
or
high
expectations
of
their
police
department
to
have
these
extraordinary
services,
these
personalized
services
and-
and
we
have
delivered
those
services,
not
perfect,
but
we're
we're
trying
to
kiss
perfection.
H
H
So
when
you
talk
about
resources,
and
commissioner
coombs
and
and
commissioner
chapman,
who
are
concerned
about
the
off
hours,
we're
challenged
off
hours,
we
recognize
that,
but
there
are
other
resources
of
phone
calls
are
made,
and
there
are
other
resources
that
can
be
that
we
can
refer
our
folks
to
to
manage
these
extraordinary
cases
and
if
we
have
to,
we
call
people
in
once
we
get
a
second
met
team.
I
I
believe
the
coverage
and
the
service
will
be
even
better.
F
H
Well,
thank
you
for
that,
but
it
was
all
about
relationships
and
relationships
and
support,
because
when
the
the
conceptual
model
was
pitched
to
city
council,
we
weren't
sure
where
they
were
going
to
go
and
we
got
a
5-0
vote.
So
that's
what
energized
the
process
and
commissioner
coombs
will
know
this
name.
Dr
tony
belize
was
my
counterpart
at
the
time
and
we
had
worked
together
in
my
former
agency
and
it
was
a
phone
call
and
a
handshake.
H
D
If
I
just
made
briefly,
I
thank
you
guys
for
staying
late
and
everything
too.
I
because
I
realize
that
this
is
actually
okay.
There
is
there.
There
are
two
other
agencies
in
the
region
that
have
significant
teams,
with
with
numbers
of
teams
of
law
enforcement,
mental
health
professionals
working
together,
but
those
teams,
the
the
numbers
of
those
teams,
sometimes
they'll,
they'll
they'll
they'll,
there's
a
certain
amount
clout
about
the
number
of
teams
that
they
have,
but
those
teams
developed
out
of
liability.
D
Those
teams,
often
the
numbers
of
teams,
often
developed
out
of
lawsuits.
So
one
of
the
things
that
I
really
appreciate
here
is
that
the
team
was
implemented
and
you're
looking
to
expand
the
team
as
a
proactive
resource
for
the
community
as
opposed
to
being
lawsuit,
driven
and
and
costing
actually
a
lot
more
is
a
result
of
doing
that.
So
I
really
commend
the
department
for
doing
that.
B
B
D
Tonight
I
would
be
happy
to
run
forward
with
that.
So
if
you
take
a
look
at
the
attachment
that
was
sent
out
on
to
the
agenda,
there's
a
draft
report-
that's
written
there
and
I'm
just
going
to
take
you
briefly
through
it,
because
I'd
really
like
to
spend
the
time
focusing
on
the
discussion
about
it
and
seeing
if
we're
on
target
what
things
we
can
do
differently.
D
The
first
piece-
and
this
is
where
chair
chapman-
this
is
this
is
where
we
wanted
to
merge
items
one
and
three
together
in
the
discussion,
so
we'll
be
talking
about
the
the
charter
in
addition
to
the
self-evaluation.
So
the
first
piece
of
the
of
the
self-evaluation
includes
the
the
charter
for
the
police
commission.
So
it
identifies
the
the
the
the
rules,
the
structure,
the
expectations
there,
what
our
role
is-
and
that
is
something
that
was
part
of
the
discussion
that
was
held
by
the
the
charter
commission
last
week.
D
So
if
we
jump
down
to,
if
we
jump
down
to
evaluation
elements,
that's
really
where
it
starts,
and
hopefully
everybody's
got
a
copy
of
that.
That's
really
where
it
starts.
As
far
as
the
evaluation
of
what
we've
been
doing,
these
past
nine
months
so
going
through
it,
we
were
oriented,
we
were,
we
were
guided.
Thank
you.
Miss,
oh
for
guiding
us
in
helping
us
newbies
understand
what
the
heck
we're
allowed
to
do
and
not
do
and
specifically
lifting
up
the
importance
of
the
gravity
of
agendizing
items.
D
I
think
that's
where
a
lot
of
the
power
of
the
commission
sits
is
because
we
can
choose
to
talk
about
specific
things
and
bring
those
to
the
table.
I
honestly
think
that's
where
our
power
sits,
so
you'll
see
a
list
of,
in
addition
to
learning
how
to
make
motions,
you'll
see
a
list
of
the
items
that
we've
agendized,
which
is
pretty
extensive
kind
of
impressive
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
what
we've
asked
to
cover,
so
I
think
we've
taken
advantage
of
the
strategy
of
agendizing
items.
D
I
was
looking
at
in
looking
at
our
assigned
tasks
and
responsibilities.
I
think
part
of
the
discussion
we'll
want
to
have
is
is
there's
five
items
there
that
come
from
the
come
from
the
charter
as
to
are.
Are
we
doing
what
we're
supposed
to
be
doing?
So
we're
covering
a
lot
of
ground,
but
the
question
is:
are
we
doing
what
we're
supposed
to
be
doing
and
then
we've
also
identified
as
we
move
further
down
in
the
document,
the
interests
of
the
commission?
D
So
there's
a
number
of
things
that
we
have
focused
on
as
a
commission
and
have
done
some.
Some
committee
work
outside
of
the
commission,
which
kind
of
there's
what
we
agendized
and
then
there's
what
we
kind
of
put
our
energy
into,
and
I
think
it's
important
to
distinguish
those
too
and
then
the
last
piece
I
have
in
areas
for
growth
and
then
I
have
a
recommendations
piece
at
the
end.
So
with
that,
I
want
to
turn
it
back
over
to
you
and
open
it
up
for
discussion
with
the
commission.
B
B
One
thing
that
I'd
like
to
mention
at
our
meeting
with
the
charter
committee
is
that
they
reaffirmed
that
the
possibilities
for
our
commission
can
grow
or
be
reduced,
and
it
is
not
really
a
a
decision
that
would
be
made
by
the
charter
committee.
The
charter
committee
looked
at
it
and
said,
and
the
city
attorney
was
there
as
well
and
said:
it's
wide
open.
It's
just
dependent
on
what.
B
D
I
It's
really
up
to
the
commission,
you
know.
Obviously,
if
the
conversation
is
such
that
people
are
trying
to
talk
over
each
other,
then
then
you
need
to
establish
rules
and
protocols
on
the
chair,
calling
people
to
order
and
when
they
can
speak,
it's
like
directing
traffic.
In
this
particular
case,
I
think
our
commissioners,
I
don't
think
we've
ever
had
an
issue
of
people
trying
to
talk
over
each
other
or
not
allowing
other
commissioners
to
voice
their
opinions.
D
Or
a
question
I'll
bring
up
to
the
commission
is
that
I
know
that
there's
there's
and
this
by
the
way
is
separate
from
item
number
four
on
the
agenda.
Number
four
on
the
agenda
is
specifically
about
attendance
at
the
nakel
conference
this
coming
september,
but
but
there
are
elements
related
to
nicole,
that
that
we
do
want
to
talk
about
in
this
discussion.
D
The
nicole
is
the
organization
that
it's
it's
a,
not
a
governing
body,
but
an
educational
body
that
provides
orientation
and
insight
into
into
police
oversight
and-
and
the
word
oversight,
I
think,
is
probably
one
of
the
biggest
questions.
That's
come
up
that
I
that
I
know
I've
become
aware
of
in
terms
of
are
we
an
advisory
body
versus
an
oversight
body,
and
I
know
that
there
has
been
some
push
for
us
to
have
more
oversight.
D
D
Thank
you
so
with
civilian
oversight.
What
what
we?
We
are,
not
an
oversight
body,
we're
an
advisory
body,
but
there's
been
a
call
to
have
more
oversight.
Civilian
oversight
of
the
police
department
and
the
justification
in
some
ways
has
come
because,
where
the
the
city
pays
for
and
and
arranges
for
us
to
be
able
to
attend
the
nicole
conferences.
D
F
F
F
One
of
the
things
is:
there
are
people
there
from
all
over
the
world
from
different
cities
and
there's
all
different
ways
of
doing
things.
And
again
I
have
to
stress
you
guys
have
to
go
because
you
really
can't
say
what's
the
direction
that
we
should
be
following,
because
there's
so
many
different
directions
that
we
could
follow.
F
F
F
In
my
mind,
the
district
attorney
has
their
own
investigative
staff,
which
is
separate
from
a
police
department,
and
it
was
almost
like
another
agency
of
very
close
to
a
district
attorney's
staff,
but
it's
there's
so
many
different
ways
of
doing
it,
and
you
know
it's
it's
what
we
want.
How
do
we
think?
I
think
we
got
us.
You
know.
We've
got
to
talk
about
goals
which
is
part
of
the
thing
is
if
you're
going
to
set
a
goal,
you
have
to
have
a
process
to
attain
that
goal.
F
One
thing
I
learned
to
nicole,
which
was
every
single
police
commission
that
was
created,
was
the
result
of
an
incident.
Something
happened
and
yeah.
I
I
just
you
know
it's
you
s.
You
hear
some
horrible
stories
at
the
nicole
conference
about
things
that
have
happened
and
but
I
I
think
you
know
we're
in
a
different
chair
here
than
there
I
mean
we
only
have
to
look
across
the
border
to
the
la
police.
Commission-
and
you
know
I
don't
know
if
that's
a
model
or
a
direction,
that
we
want
to
go.
D
So
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up
the
the
history
of
this
commission.
I
believe
it
started
in
the
50s
and
it
was
related
to
there
was
corruption
going
on
and
I
believe
it
was
a
was
it
a
former
or
retired
fbi
agent
that
was
chairing
the
commission
when
it
was
first
brought
together.
Does
anybody
know
that
history
off
the
top
of
their
head?
We.
F
F
D
Orientation
a
little
bit
so
the
question
is:
is:
has
this
body
ever
had
oversight,
authority,
subpoena
powers,
investigative
powers
or
anything
like
that?
I'm
not
aware
that
it.
It
has
so
and
looking
again
at
what
we've
agendized
and
addressed
just
in
the
last
nine
months.
Do
we
need
those
powers,
so
I
know
I
understand
that
the
the
the
the
naked
hole
is
is
designed
for
civilian
over
to
to
train
on
civilian
oversight.
So
it
sounds
like
the
question
may
be,
is
by
participating
in
nicole.
D
Are
we
implicitly
being
told
that
we're
that
that
we're
supposed
to
have
oversight-
or
is
this
just
an
opportunity
to
kind
of
orient
to
to
police
accountability
structures
and
then
that's
something
that
we
have
to
decide
for
ourselves
are
do
do
we?
What
level
of
oversight
do
we
want,
and
I
think
you're
right,
commissioner
element
is
that
we
need
to.
We
need
to
identify
what
our
goals
are.
D
I
So
I'm
just
gonna
jump
into
your
conversation.
If
that's
okay
with
you,
I
have
been
sitting
in
this
chair
for
many
years
with
many
different
commissions.
So
if
it's
okay
I'd
like
to
share
some
thoughts
that
perhaps
might
aid
in
your
discussion
so
to
answer
your
question,
commissioner,
coombs
as
to
why
the
city
has
decided
to
send
people
or
our
commissioners
to
naycol,
it's
really
educational
right.
I
I
Most
of
you
come
to
our
commission
without
any
police
background,
without
any
specialized
training
in
police,
science
or
oversight,
and
I'm
going
to
put
that
in
quotes,
and
so
it's
an
opportunity
for
you
to
go
and
learn.
As
commissioner
eltman
has
indicated,
he
learned
a
lot
by
attending
at
least
once,
and
so
we
want
to
make
this
opportunity
available.
I
The
one
thing
that
you
don't
have
access
to,
as
I
sit
here
and
over
the
years
have
observed,
is
investigations
and
personnel
issues
and
there's
a
lot
of
reasons
for
that
right.
There
are
mous,
there's
codes,
right,
state
codes
and
our
charter
and
our
bmc
itself
that
don't
allow
you
to
have
access
to
that
type
of
information
and
there's
never
been
any
discussion
about
changing
that
again
because
of
all
the
different
hurdles
that
we
would
have
to
jump
over
in
order
to
give
you
that
power.
I
I
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
continue
to
change
the
wording
of
how
your
agenda
is
written
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is
that
we've
been
very
specific
to
write
in
presentation,
discussion
and
recommendations
if
any
by
this
commission
after
hearing
a
report
after
getting
feedback
and
the
reason
why
we
want
to
change
this
language
moving
forward
is
again,
I
don't
want
something
not
being
agendized
to
the
to
the
requirements.
The
brown
act
to
prevent
you
from
exercising
your
full
ability
within
the
charter
in
the
code
to
discuss
things
and
make
recommendations.
I
What
would
happen
is
that
the
police
commission
would
vote
to
have
the
police
department
come
forth
and
present
a
report
on
the
use
of
tasers.
This
is
a
good
thing.
Is
there's
bad
things,
the
use
of
body
worn
cameras?
Is
there?
Is
it's
a
good
thing,
or
is
this
a
bad
thing,
but
the
commissioners
themselves
have
no
independent
knowledge.
I
So
when
the
staff
presents
the
reports,
one
the
question,
sometimes
there
are
no
questions
or
their
questions
are
very
surface
level
and
they're,
not
very
probative,
of
whatever
the
presentation
is
about,
and
they
can't
be
because
there's
no
independent
knowledge
to
challenge
anything.
That
staff
tells
you
in
a
presentation
so
of
course,
you're
going
to
feel
like
you're,
rubber,
stamping,
whatever
staff
tells
you,
because
you
have
no
ability
to
question
or
challenge
what
they
say
so
again.
I
As
part
of
the
discussion
about
your
roles
and
the
powers
that
you
have,
you
have
a
lot
of
power.
It's,
whether
or
not
you
are
exercising
that
power,
and
I
think
I
will
say
in
my
opinion,
many
commissions
in
the
past
did
not
exercise
their
powers,
and
so
you
feel
like
what
are
we
doing
here?
You
feel
impotent.
I
How
will
you
ever
actually
provide
meaningful
input
to
the
police
department?
Let
alone
provide
oversight
of
anything,
so
these
are
just
some
thoughts.
I'm
I
apologize
if
I've
overstepped,
but
I
really
think
it's
important
for
you
to
have
these
points
to
discuss,
as
you
are
discussing
this
agenda
item
so
that
we're
not
having
this
conversation
a
year
from
now
and
the
next
year
and
the
next
year.
H
And
if
I
can
add
on
to
gina
is
that
the
other
thing
is
that
this
commission
has
accomplished
more
than
other
commissions
in
years
past,
and
in
many
times
we
don't
recognize
when
we
have
progress
or
have
achieved
things
and
I'll
give
you
a
couple
examples:
the
campaign
that
we
collaborated
on
when
I
say
the
commission
collaborated
on
the
street
racing,
think
about
that
that
that
was
digital.
It
went
through
mailers,
never
have
we
had
that
before
and
that
started
with
the
police
commission.
They
collaborated
with
the
traffic
bureau.
That
was
huge.
H
That
was
huge,
so
so
recognize
that
and
there's
one
other
collaboration.
There's
collaboration
in
the
mix
with
the
west
coast,
customs
and
again
hadn't
been
done
before
in
the
past
and
michael.
The
two
michaels
will
remember
that
commissioner
coombs
and
I
talked
about
the
accomplishments
so
far,
and
you
were
in
panel
to
win
august.
H
August
yeah,
so
when
you
do
the
math
with
a
holiday
covet,
that's
some
pretty
high
marks.
One
of
the
things
that
I
I
would
encourage
you
to
think
about
is
a
5150
involuntary
hold.
This
is
something
that
this
panel
has
some
knowledge
of,
and
I
think
recognizes
that
is.
That
is
a
statute
that
could
be
expanded
for
folks
that
are
resistant
to
services
that
are
just
close
to
needing
mandatory
services
that
could
impact
the
entire
state
of
california.
H
F
F
Now
that
says,
we
have
the
ability
to
receive
complaints,
but
I
have
never
heard
of
any
process
we
have
to
do
after
we
got
the
complaint.
Oh
is
your
microphone
up?
Sorry,
okay,
anyways.
I
just
read
from
the
section
705
of
the
charter,
which
says
that
we,
the
commission,
have
the
ability
to
receive
complaints,
but
I
believe
in
the
past-
and
I
think
even
today,
what
is
the
process
after
we
hear
the
complaint?
That's
where
I
think
we
have
a
weakness
is
in
process.
A
D
As
far
as
responding
to
complaints,
it
seems
like
the
process
that
we
need
to
use
that
we've
kind
of
gotten
ourselves
educated
on
is
agendizing
the
issue,
so
we
we
collectively
have
to
agree
in
essence
that
this
is
a
complaint
worth
receiving
and
then
we
can
agendize
it
prepare
for
it.
Talk
about
it
and
we'll
have
some
opportunity
to
do
some.
Our
own
background
research
and
education
on
the
issue
before
we
talk
about
it
as
a
commission.
So
those
seem
adequate
to
me,
but
maybe
there's
more
that
we
need.
I
So
if
you
read
number
four,
you
know
it
also
says
pertaining
to
police
department
and
law
enforcement
in
general.
So
to
answer
commissioner
ellman's:
well,
it
really
wasn't
a
question.
His
concern
is:
it
depends
on
the
nature
of
the
complaint.
So
in
the
past
it
doesn't
happen
a
lot,
but
we
have
had
people
come
and
complain
about
an
individual
encounter
with
the
you
know,
police
officer,
and
so
if
the
complaint
relates
to
alleged
misconduct
by
that
police
officer
and
their
interaction
with
the
citizen.
Well,
that
may
potentially
be
a
discipline
right.
I
It's
going
to
take
a
disciplinary
route
and
that's
not
something
that
you
would
be
able
to
agendize
and
discuss,
but
if
they,
the
complaint
is
regarding
a
larger
policy
issue.
Maybe
from
that
complaint
about
the
officer,
you
can
identify
a
more
generalized
law
enforcement
issue.
Maybe
the
practice
of
how
the
police
department
interacts
with
all
you
know
all
incidents
of
that
nature,
for
example,
where
you're
not
talking
about
any
individual,
which
you
can't
but
you're
talking
about,
maybe
a
policy
which
you've
identified
from
that
complaint.
D
I
can
provide
a
specific
example
of
something
that's
come
up
just
a
few
months
ago.
Is
there
were
some
general
community
concerns
about
issues
related
to
domestic
violence,
and
so
we
agendized
the
issue
and
we
had
a
fairly
comprehensive
presentation
from
the
from
the
department
on
domestic
violence.
I
believe
we
subsequently
had
a
conversation
and
an
interaction
with
the
department
around
safety
issues
around
appropriate
call
outs
around
appropriate
responses
around
adequate
versus
inadequate
resources
in
the
community.
D
I
And
if
I
can
add
to
that,
as
a
result
of
that
discussion,
there
was
additional
training
provided
to
our
police
officers
regarding
encounters
involving
domestic
violence.
So
maybe
we
can
work
on
a
better
way
to
make
sure
that
information
comes
back
full
circle
so
that
you
can
see
the
results
of
the
actions
that
you
take
here
and
the
discussions
you're
having
here.
But
there
are.
I
B
B
But
at
least
we
had
some,
including
as
to
the
number
of
complaints
that
might
be
received
by
our
department.
It
may
be
zero,
it
may
be
ten,
I
don't
know,
but
at
least
we
had
an
idea
coming
in
part
of
the
reason
is
that
our
commission
is
allowed
to
receive
complaints,
but
there
are
actually,
I
think,
about
seven
different
ways
that
someone
can
file
a
complaint
it
can
be
through.
The
website
can
be
by
email.
G
A
B
D
So
I
I'd
like
to
make
a
recommendation
to
kind
of
focus.
Our
conversation
is-
and
this
is
going
with
what
commissioner
ellen
was
just
asking
about
given
given
the
agenda
items
that
we've
covered
in
the
past
nine
months.
What
goals
do
we
have
for
what
specific
goals
could
we
name
for
the
for
the
commission?
Are
there
specific
goals
that
we
could
name
for
the
commission
right
now?
D
One
of
the
recommendations
I
would
have
is
trying
to
set
an
annual
calendar
where
we're
covering
so
many
different
subjects
that
we
may
want
to
calendar
them
throughout
the
year.
So
we
kind
of
know
upcoming
what
we're
preparing
for,
because
right
now,
we've
been
kind
of
like
flying
by
the
seat
of
our
pants,
with
with
agendizing
items
as
they
as
they
as
they
meet
our
fancy.
But
but
I'd
like
I'm
wondering
if
we
want
to
consider
calendaring
items
and
two
identifying
specific
general
topics
that
we
may
want
to
focus
in
on.
F
B
What
needs
and
and
accomplishments
that
they
have
gone
through,
so
I
think
what
we're
looking
for
is
really
specifically.
How
do
we
want
to
operate
as
far
in
the
future?
I
think
from
you.
How
do
we
want
to
operate
as
far
as
specific
goals,
not
individual
categories,
but
overall,
that
we're
we're
looking
to
to
focus
any
question
that
we
raise
anything
that
comes
in
we're
looking
at
it,
because
we
want
to
either
propose
a
policy
change
or
just
kind
of
disregard
it.
B
D
I
think
there's
room
to
get
a
little
more
specific
than
that.
I
think
we
could,
for
example,
if
we
wanted
to
identify
that
at
least
on
an
annual
basis.
We
wanted
to
dedicate
some
time
to
traffic
enforcement.
Again,
it's
not
a
traffic
safety
issue.
It's
a
traffic
enforcement
because
we
can
focus
on
law
enforcement
related
issues,
but
we
can't
focus
on
traffic
control
related
issues.
D
So
I
I
think
it
may
be
safe
to
identify
a
calendar
with
themes
throughout
the
year,
but
it
also
doesn't
preclude
us
from
addressing
specific
issues
using
the
the
process
of
motions
for
the
agenda.
Motioning
an
item,
so
there
may
be
a
both,
and
here
we
can.
We
can
identify
general
themes
throughout
the
year.
We
can
so
we
can
plan
for
that.
We
can
do
our
research
and
do
our
homework
on
it.
D
Before
we
have
those
discussions,
we
can
develop
thoughtful
questions
in
advance
that
we
could
actually
give
to
the
department
prior
to
a
presentation.
One
of
the
concerns
that
I
did
hear
previously
was
that
the
department
does
provide
some
great
presentations,
but
they
are
they.
They
have
the
autonomy
to
to
go
wherever
they
want
with
that
with
that
topic
or
that
presentation,
and
they
may
actually
benefit
from
our
in
advance,
developing
some
specific
questions
that
we
would
like
addressed.
D
So
I
I
guess,
am
I
making
a
motion
that
we
develop
a
an
annual
calendar
of
of
of
activities
of
activities
and
what's
the
best
word
for
that
topics
or
topical
areas?
I
don't
know
what
the
what
the
right
word
would
be,
but
the
motion
would
be
that
we
develop
a
calendar
of
activities
and
topics
annually
for
the
commission
to
address
throughout
the
year.
A
D
F
D
This
would
be
a
question
then,
for
the
department
is
it?
Is
it
fair
to
say
if
we
identified,
for
example,
we
wanted
to
designate,
for
example,
this
is
may
may
is
mental
health
month,
so
we
may
end
up
focusing
on
alternative
policing
strategies
in
the
community
every
may
and
if
we
agenda,
if
we
put
that
on
a
calendar,
is
it
is
it
safe
to
set
that
on
a
calendar
with
the
expectation
that
the
department
would
be
able
to
present
on
that
at
that
time
or
do
or
do
they
need
more
time?
H
Mental
health
month
domestic
violence,
traffic
safety,
so
we
know
that
in
advance
and
if
we
wanted
to
overlap
that,
so
that
is
a
theme
for
that
month.
So,
like
mental
health
awareness
month,
this
also
happens
to
be
the
10th
anniversary
of
our
med
team
and
next
year
I
would
throw
out
there
is
that,
let's
maybe
look
at
some
more
other
mental
health
team
models
to
see
what
they
look
like
or
even
get
one
of
our
agency
partners.
Glendale
pasadena,
how
they
work
to
kind
of
stimulate
the
thought
for
you,
folks
and
our
folks.
H
G
B
I
So,
mr
chair
there's
actually
a
motion
on
the
table
by
vice
chair
coons,
and
so
I
know
we're
having
some
discussion,
I'm
not
sure
if
we're
still
in
the
discussion
phase
or
I'm
not
sure
where
we
are
because
it
sounds
like
commissioner
ellen
has
suggestions
for
the
calendar
which
we
have
not
yet
voted
on.
I.
I
I
G
G
I
would
just
I-
and
this
is
relating
to
mrs
comment-
I
think
you
know
given
that
we're
missing
a
few
commission
members
tonight
that
maybe
we
we
vote
on
whether
or
not
to
do
you
know
to
have
the
calendar,
but
but
not
necessarily
discuss
what
would
be
on
the
calendar,
formulate
the
calendar
tonight.
Just
because
we're
missing
some.
B
G
G
F
B
D
D
B
B
D
G
G
C
G
Everyone's
in
agreement
to
recommend
so
I
appreciate
that
which
was
a
new
addition
to
I.
I
believe
that
didn't
used
to
exist
in
years
past
that
that
recommendation
or
considerations
to
take
into
account-
and
I
think
I
just
would
there-
there's
one
more
one
more
consideration.
I
think
that
we
should
add-
and
I
will
say
it
also
is
recommended
in
the
la
county,
redefining
policing
report
that
was
published
a
few
years
ago.
I
I
This
is
not
something
that
you
can
make
recommendations
and
change,
because
it's
the
charter
and
the
charter
can
only
be
changed
by
a
vote
of
the
people
during
an
election,
which
is
why
the
charter
review
committee
is
looking
at
any
proposed
changes
to
the
charter
right
now
again,
my
understanding
of
what
happened
at
the
meeting.
The
charter
review
meeting
that
the
chair
and
vice
chair
went
to
is
that
the
charter
review
committee
stated
that
they
did
not
see
any
need
to
change
the
police
commission
section
of
the
charter.
I
So
I
believe
their
recommendation
to
counsel
would
be
to
leave
everything,
as
is
so.
You
can
make
a
recommendation
to
go
back
to
the
charter
review
committee
to
suggest
a
change
that
then
the
charter
review
committee
would
make
to
the
city
council,
but
you
as
a
body
can't
make
recommendations
and
vote
and
then
change.
What's
here
right.
G
D
F
D
D
D
J
J
C
C
D
F
G
Don't
worry
yes,
so
I
you
know,
I
I
think
if,
if
there
are
discussions
around
that
too,
I
think
I'll
just
say
for
me.
Just
speaking
to
this
charter
question
versus
the
addition
and
the
additional
you
know:
responsibilities
or
powers.
I
don't.
I
think
that
I
do
agree
with
mizo's
assessment
that
they're
the
language
in
the
charter
is
very
broad
and
does
provide
a
lot
of
opportunity
to
to
do
a
lot
of
things
that
I
don't
think
and
and
and
maybe
some
of
those
things
we
didn't.
G
You
know
need
to
do
in
the
last.
However,
many
months
we've
been
at
this
and
that's
fine,
but
I
think
we
haven't
really
fulfilled
the
potential
of
all
those
things.
So
I
think
for
me
I
don't
see
going
beyond.
What's
you
know
already
in
the
charter
in
terms
of
powers
at
this
time
being
something
that
we
should
pursue,
that
I
don't.
I
don't
believe,
that's
something
we
should
pursue,
but
I
I
do
have
a
suggestion
around
that
point.
G
G
A
D
D
I
don't
see
a
problem
with
it.
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
need
to
make
that
a
business
item.
The
reason
for
for
the
council,
because
in
in
my
field,
in
the
work
that
I
do
it
does
have
social
work
and
care
that
in
care
work,
that's
that
would
involve
re-entry
services
and
two
different
things.
I'm
looking
at
the
experience
interested
in
knowledge
of
so
that
that's
really
broad
in
in
the
work
that
I
do.
We
are
actively
hiring
people
that
have
lived
experience,
lived
mental
health
experience
and
lived
experience
receiving
services.
G
For
example,
somebody
who's
been
impacted,
yeah.
I-
and
I
think
I
think
in
this
this
paragraph
it
does
call
out
a
lot
of
important
experience,
whether
that's
professional
personal,
but
I
think
that
all
of
actually
all
of
these
that
I'm
looking
at
are
are
actually
more
professional
experience
versus
a
lived
experience
and
I
think
that's
a
little
bit
of
a
different
lens
and
I
think
I
think
maybe
at
least
some
some
people
wouldn't
wouldn't
come
to
mind
with
that.
G
B
C
G
F
F
I
can't
support
it
until
I
see
it
in
the
municipal
code
of
what,
where
is
where
it's
placed
in
the
municipal
code,
because
it's
you
know
it's
way
out.
I
mean
we're
the
police,
commission
and
the
title
of
this
thing
is
review
of
the
city
charter
and
they
change
to
the
police
commission.
So
I
I
would
really
like
to
see
the
actual
municipal
code
and
then
it'd
be
easier
for
me
to
vote
to
add
something
or
not,
but
not
seeing
it
that's
hard
for
me
to
vote
on.
G
I
think
what's
here
on
this,
this
page
here
so
where
it
starts.
It
says
here
from
the
city
charter,
updated
january
2022
that
actually
should
say
municipal
code
correct,
so
everything
that
follows
under
there,
starting
from
a
composition
of
commission,
that
is
the
section
of
the
municipal
code
that
speaks
to
the
police
commission.
I
I.
D
What
my
concern
is
is
and
I've
in
watching
some
of
the
city
council
meetings
and
how
late
they
go
in
these
chambers
and
everything
I'm
hesitant
to
put
anything
before
them.
That
is
not
a
significant
change
or
or
would
point
us
in
a
significant
direction
at
this
time.
Item
number
three
really
reads
to
me
is
as
a
spirit
of
what
they're
looking
for,
and
I
think
they
have
the
ability
to
do
that
without
it
being
some
sort
of
a
mandate
or
a
rule
or
anything
like
that.
D
H
It
is,
and
that's
part
of
my
report
out
but
I'll
report
it
out
now
it'll
be
july
26th,
so
we
will
be.
The
police
commission
will
be
in
a
an
observing
role
because
oar
will
have
the
lead.
I
mean
it's
a
joint
session,
so
I'm
that
that's
the
wrong
word
or
descriptor,
but
that
joint
session
is
the
report
report
out
of
oir.
H
G
Yeah,
I
I
think
that
makes
sense,
and
I
I
don't
necessarily.
I
guess
my
question
is:
do
we
to
your
point
that
there
may
be
a
lot
of
these
items
and
they
may
be
broad
ranging
this
is
municipal
code?
There
might
be
something
else
about
something
completely
different,
and
so
in
terms
of
the
process,
is
it
something
you
know
where
we
sort
of
build
this
list
as
we
go
and
then
in
august
we
sort
of
really
vote
on
a
whole
package
of
things,
or
are
we
voting
on
this
piece?
G
I
So
it
really
depends
on
how
you,
as
a
commission,
want
to
do
it.
It
makes
sense
to
me
that
you,
along
with
the
motion
that
you
already
passed,
which
is
to
put
together
a
calendar
of
issues
that
you
want
to
bring
forward
looking
a
year
in
advance
to
me
that
makes
sense
it's
like
when
you
are
giving
directions
right
driving
a
car
like
I
like
to
be
told,
okay,
two
miles
down
the
road
you're
going
to
make
a
left
turn.
I
It
helps
me
prepare-
and
I
think
that
goes
to
the
spirit
of
our
earlier
conversation
like
we
have
all
these
agenda
items,
but
it's
a
little
bit
all
over
the
place
as
to
the
different
topics
that
come
before
you
and
so
having
a
calendar
gives
you
that
opportunity
to
plan
ahead,
and
so
in
conjunction
with
that
calendar
of
things
that
you
want
to
plan
ahead
and
issues.
You
want
to
look
at
having
discussions.
I
Where
are
we
we're
may
in
june?
In
you
know,
no,
no
but
like
between
now
and
then
right,
we're
going
to
have
another
meeting
before
right,
yeah
we're
going
to
have
june
and
then
you're
going
to
have
your
joint
meeting.
So
it
gives
you
opportunity
to
continue
this
discussion,
so
commissioner,
farooz
and
you've
identified
something
that
you
want
to
bring
forth
to
the
commission
to
vote
on
as
a
body.
I
I
anticipate
that
in
june
you
may
have
more,
like
the
commission,
as
a
body
may
have
additional
things
you
want
to
look
at
as
potentially
changing
either.
Well.
Let's
just
say
the
code
right
and
obviously,
whatever
changes
we
make
to
the
code
can't
be
contradictory
to
what's
in
the
charter,
but
I
anticipate
that
you
might
find
more
things
that
you
want
to
make
suggestions
to
counsel
recommendations
to
counsel
on,
and
so,
rather
than
doing
it
like
a
trickle,
it
makes
sense
to
package
everything
together.
G
I
guess
my
question
is
is
not
as
much
as
because
I
agree
it
doesn't
make
sense
to
bring
one
item.
One
item
on
it.
You
know
each
week
something
else
but
in
terms
of
our
process.
So
if
we
have
these
different
topics
that
we
want
to
discuss
that
are,
are
all
going
to
potentially
result
in
recommendations
for
council
for
august,
for
example,
because
it
makes
sense
for
us
to
you
know.
G
We
have
this
item
now
vote
on
that
now
and
doesn't
mean
that
we're
instantly
now
sending
that
to
council,
it's
we're
holding
it
until
august,
you
know,
and
then
in
june
we
have
a
conversation
about
some
other
items.
You
know
I
mean
it's
not
a
very
long
list
of
items,
but
I'm
just
you
know.
Supposing
that
there
could
be
20
items,
maybe
we
don't
have
time
in
one
meeting
to
get
through
all
of
them.
So
is
it
just
kind
of.
I
I
C
I
You
just
want
to
have
the
discussion,
and
so
we
will
do
you
know
we'll
continue
our
discussion
now
we
will.
We
can
similarly
put
it
on
the
agenda
to
have
further
discussion
next
month
and
then
again
we'll
have
the
july
joint
and
then
in
august
you
can
revisit
all
of
these
things
and
decide
which
one
you
know,
which
ones
you
actually
want
to
recommend
vote
on
it,
and
then
that
will
be
the
actual
recommendation
that
goes
for
council.
I
D
I
I
do
have
actually
a
motion
to
just
clarify
and
resolve
something:
that's
been
floating,
we've
been
going
back
and
forth
on,
and
I'd
like
to
make
the
motion
that
we
that
we,
we
are
accepting
the
the
charge
to
the
police
commission
in
the
charter
as
written
for
this
commission.
This
charter
review
cycle
so,
in
other
words,
I'd
like
to
make
the
motion
that
we
are
we're
not
making
any
recommendations
for
changes
to
the
charter
for
this
cycle.
B
D
B
Nothing,
nothing
is
locked
in
what
what
this
is
doing.
This
is
our
proposed
items
for
the
future.
It
doesn't
have
a
specific
and
we
can
actually
drop
them
at
any
time
if
we
don't
want
to
which
I
do
so
just
to
keep
them
in
mind
of
where
we
are
and
in
a
consistent
way
than
we
just
included
at
the
end
of
the
agenda.
There
sure
that
would
be
do
we
have
a
second
to
that.
B
D
It's
for
the
commission,
so
it
is
yeah,
it
was.
It
was
preparation
for
this
discussion,
so
I
got
a
chance
to
review
it
already
share
it.
I
there
was
limited,
I
mean
we.
We
identified
the
range
of
the
items
that
we
had
discussed,
but
there
was
really
no
discussion
or
or
recommendations
based
on
that,
whether
it's
inclusive,
if
there's
any
items
that
we're
missing,
and
so
I
I
took
the
the
the
lack
of
feedback
as
this
is
what
we've
done.
D
I
D
B
G
B
I
I
As
to
I,
when
I
read
the
agenda
item,
I
understood
it
to
be
feedback
to
the
subcommittee
about
the
substance,
the
format
of
the
report,
everything
right
so
that
we
can
so
that
you
can
finalize
it
and
note
and
file
it
or
vote
tonight
to
send
it
to
somebody
right,
the
liaison
or
the
council.
So
the
answer
to
your
question,
mr
chair,
is
whatever
the
commission
wants
to
do
at
this
point
with
this
report.
B
B
Excellent
that
would
be
perfect,
and
is
there
any
discussion
about
that
all
right?
We
can
all
vote
by
hand
those
in
favor
excellent.
We
got
a
unanimous,
I
think,
and
thank
you
you
and
I,
commissioner
abba
kobian,
did
a
great
job
and
appreciate
it,
and
our
whole
group
does
moving
on.
Is
our
discussion
about
participating
in
nicole
and
do
you
have
something
to
share
about
that
or.
H
No,
it's
the
commission
will
select-
and
I
I
just
will
share
with
the
commission-
is
that
we
have
the
funds,
because
it
comes
out
of
our
budget,
the
police
budget,
to
underwrite
two
commissioners
to
go
what
I'm
calling
on
duty
so
I'll
defer
to
you
folks.
As
far
as
who
is
going
to
who
has
an
interest
in
going.
G
D
So,
with
my
experience,
some
of
the
law
enforcement
adjacent
work
that
I've
been
involved
in
and
I'm
going
to
be
participating
in
the
upcoming
civilian
citizen
academy
for
the
department.
I'm
actually
I'm
more
than
willing
to
defer
to
allow
somebody
else
to
have
this
experience
at
this
time.
If,
if,
if
it,
if
it
would
benefit.
B
I
D
H
Chief,
I
will
be
brief.
This
is
just
to
advise
the
commission
in
the
community
that
we're
holding
presently
some
procedural
justice
training.
Actually
half
the
training
is
occurred
today.
There
it
continues
to
tomorrow.
This
is
part
of
the
why'd.
You
stop
me
training.
These
are
four
blocks
that
are
specific
to
sworn
personnel,
but
there's
a
an
additional
component
where
the
community
there's
community
dialogue
sessions
and
those
sessions
will
be
held
in
june
in
august.
I
Generally
brown
act:
commission
members
can
attend
if
the
event
is
also
agendized
as
a
brown
act
event
or
if
it's
general.
So
there
are
some
exceptions
to
the
rule
that
you
can't
have.
You
know
a
quorum
if
you
attend
some
things
so,
depending
on
what
it
is,
how
it's
set
up,
how
it's
advertised
in
their
procedures
you
might
be
able
to,
I
would
have
to
look
further
into
into
it.
Thank.
D
H
Continuing
the-
and
this
is
just
to
repeat
or
to
refresh
the
joint
city
council
police
commission
meeting-
is
going
to
be
on
tuesday
july
26th
and
that
meeting
will
be
in
lieu
of
the
regularly
scheduled
police
commission
meeting.
So
some
upcoming
events-
and
this
is
going
to
speak
to
what
you
asked
miss
oh-
is
that
we
have
our
community
academy
starts
june,
2nd.
This
is
a
big
deal
for
us,
because
we
had
a
two-year
hiatus
because
of
covid.
H
We
actually
have
nearly
50
folks
that
have
an
interest
in
participating.
Two
include
three
police
commissioners,
which
is
great,
but
we
cannot
have
any
more
police
commissioners.
So
this
is
a
great
start.
We
have
three
of
the
seven
and
I
think
michael
you're,
one
of
them
and
james
and
romick.
So
thank
you
for
your
participation
in
that,
but
for
the
community
it
starts
june.
2Nd
our
youth
academy
will
start
sometime
in
july.
Typically,
that's
done
during
the
summer.
H
There's
events
associated
with
that
that
the
department
collaborates
with
the
some
of
our
youth
programs
and
then
national
night
out
you'll
recall
we
had
that
last
year
this
year
will
be
august,
2nd
and
I
believe,
last
year
it
was
august
3rd
or
4th.
So
those
are
the
only
updates.
I
have
and
I
will
hand
off
back
to
chair
chapman.
D
I
I
actually
have
an
item
that
I
had
a
motion
to
add
to
the
agenda
that
I'd
actually
like
to
withdraw.
I
don't
think,
there's
a
need
to
pursue
it
at
this
time,
and
it's
really
not.
I
don't
think
it's
really
the
focus
of
where
we
should
be
at
as
a
commission
I'd
like
to
withdraw
the
proposal
to
the
burbank
police
department,
city
council
and
I
don't
know
what
cm
stands
for
city
manager.
B
B
D
I
D
G
I
There's
so
that
there's
no
confusion,
I
think
it's.
The
confusion
is
coming
because
we're
calling
the
calendar
the
calendar
and
we're
also
calling
items
that
we
may
actually
put
on
the
calendar,
the
calendar,
and
so
it
might
be
a
little
confusing
mr
chair,
but
you
voted
tonight
to
actually
have
a
calendar.
I
A
business
calendar
that's
going
to
set
out
a
year's
worth
of
topics
that
we
think
are
important
and
laying
it
out
so
that
we
have
some
forewarning
of
what's
coming,
but
you
didn't
discuss
what's
going
to
go
actually
on
the
calendar
for
any
particular
month.
So
what
I
anticipate
is
next
meeting
staff
will
bring
back
information
about
topics
that
are
you
know
usually
held
on
that
month.
As
the
as
the
chief
talked
about
mental
health
awareness
month,
you
know
domestic
violence
awareness
month.
H
Vacations
operators
and
there's
a
boatload
in
fact,
that's
why
I
apologize
that's
why,
as
sergeant
theft,
faculty
there's
a
boatload
of
them,
so
it
would
be
a
menu
and
then
you'll
be
able
to
pick
and
choose.
But
at
least
you
know
what
the
what
is
being
recognized
and
highlighted
for
that
month
on
the
law
enforcement
to
include
non-sworn
activities.
G
D
Like
to
actually
take
it
a
step
forward
and
have
a
subcommittee
that's
going
to
meet
between
now
and
the
next
meeting
to
be
able
to
work
with
sergeant
faculty
to
to
bring
to
to
bring
a
calendar
to
the
table
that
we
can,
then
we
can.
We
can
agendize
the
discussion
of
the
proposed
calendar
and
and
and
then
vote
to
accept
that
calendar
at
the
next
meeting
if
possible.
So
I
guess
I
need
to
make
a
motion
on
that
then.
D
I
I
I'm
I'm
going
to
just
make
a
legal
call
and
say
that
it's
broad
enough
that
I
think,
if
you
wanted
to
create
a
subcommittee
to
talk,
because
it's
related
to
the
evaluation
of
the
performance
of
the
commission
to
discuss
the
calendar
items,
you
can
go
ahead
and
do
that.
So
the
question
is:
do
you
want
to
keep
the
same
subcommittee
that
created
the
draft
report,
or
you
can
vote
now
to
create
a
new
subcommittee.
G
F
I
won't
be
supporting
it,
I
think
it's.
The
calendar
is
a
very
strong
tool
and
I
think
that
basically,
every
member
of
the
commission
should
have
equal
access
to
it
and
equal
input,
and
I
think
that
information
will
be
shared,
but
it's
shared
at
a
later
time
and
you
come
in
at
the
end
of
a
process
and
a
lot
of
times.
It's
there's
no
stopping
that
process.
I
can't
support
this
so.