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A
B
C
Heavenly
father,
we
come
to
you
tonight
asking
for
your
guidance,
your
wisdom
and
support.
As
we
begin,
this
meeting
help
us
engage
in
meaningful
discussion,
allow
us
to
grow
closer
as
a
city
and
further
nurture
the
bonds
of
our
community,
be
with
our
staff,
as
they
continue
to
strive
to
provide
the
highest
lift
quality
of
services,
possibly
can
to
the
citizens
of
our
community
in
these
very
challenging
times
in
your
name,
we
pray,
amen,
amen.
B
B
B
Or
2023.04
for
fiscal
year,
2021
2022
projects
carried
forward
in
reviewing
those
projects
that
were
carried
forward.
Most
of
those
are
capital
purchases
and
looking
through
the
list
of
capital
purchases,
I
noticed
that
there
were
two
vehicles
being
purchased
through
a
modern
automotive
network,
because
everyone
knows
I
serve.
B
I
work
for
modern
automotive
network
in
the
capacity
of
their
executive
director
of
operations,
and
while
I
have
had
no
dealings
in
these
items,
modern
as
part
of
our
business
plan,
we
are
one
of
the
nation's
largest
providers
in
fleet
vehicles,
so
it
does
not
surprise
me
that
perhaps
there
was
a
state
bid
that
one
of
our
dealerships
secured
and
the
city's
probably
piggybacking
on
that
particular
item.
E
B
I
have
a
motion
and
a
second
all
in
favor
signify
by
I
post.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that.
Our
next
item
is
the
approval
of
the
minutes
june
6
2022
work
session
and
june
7th
2022
city
council
meetings.
This
time
we'll
entertain
a
motion
motion
to
approve
have
a
motion
is
your
second
second:
have
a
motion
and
a
second
all
in
favor
signify
by.
B
B
B
Is
there
a
second
second
all
in
favor
signify
by
in
your
post?
Thank
you.
Next
item
is
new
business
city
council
will
consider
a
rate
increase
request
from
golden
eagle
taxi
service
at
this
time.
We'll
call
on
scott
elliott,
with
elliot
with
burlington
police
department,
welcome
scott,
hey
all
right.
G
If
you
don't
know
me,
I'm
scott
elliott,
with
the
police
department
with
the
traffic
division,
forget.
G
To
do
some
unsightly
little
inspections
today,
because
with
some
record
businesses,
but
with
the
traffic
division,
we
encompass
and
govern
taxi
taxi
cabs
and
unfortunately,
through
the
years
we
have
dwindled
down
just
to
one
golden
eagle
and
they
came
to
us
about
in
march
of
this
year,
requesting
a
rate
increase
to
the
rising
fuel
costs,
and
then
I
vetted
it
did
my
due
diligence
and
call
on
several
agencies
and
other
cities
that
I
packed
before
y'all
prepared
and
the
burlington
police
has
zero
issue
with
these
rate
increases
and
they
are
on
par
with
other
businesses.
F
G
He's
always
been
there.
You
know
I've
started
been
there
13
years.
I
think
it's
just
so
we
can
vet
them.
We
do
criminal
history,
checks
that
maybe
may
help
with
criminal
history
checks
and
and
when
they
come
to
us
every
three
years
we
do
driver's
license.
I
don't
know
any
other
entity
that
will
be
able
to
conduct
that
that
may
be
the
probably
the
best
answer
for
it's
why
it
stays
within
the
police
department.
It's
to.
C
F
B
B
I
A
few
months
ago,
lumos
fiber
announced
they
would
be
expanding
their
network
into
the
burlington
and
alamance
county
area
to
provide
a
high-speed
internet
service
as
part
of
this
build
out.
Lumos
will
build
a
fiber
pathway
along
highway
70
between
greensboro
and
burlington.
You
can
see
that
here
on
the
side.
I
This
proposed
pathway
will
be
completely
separate
from
limo's
fibers
pathway
and
will
be
used
solely
for
municipal
county
services.
This
information
has
been
shared
with
our
tri
gig
partners
in
guilford,
county
and
greensboro,
who
have
also
voiced
interest
in
this
initiative
and
there
and
the
opportunities
that
it
will
provide.
I
This
the
proposed
pathway,
provides
a
backup
system
of
our
existing
microwave
connection
for
radio
traffic,
provides
an
upgraded
recording
capabilities
for
911
traffic,
provides
a
more
secure,
911
backup
site
and
provides
and
expands
the
potential
capabilities
for
new
services,
and
I've
listed
or
listed
a
few
of
them
here.
As
far
as
a
real-time
connection
between
agencies
license
plate
recognition
system.
We
have
that
internally
right
now,
but
systems
like
this.
We
could
actually
share
that
with
communities.
I
So
as
people
are
going
from
one
community
to
another,
they're
actually
able
to
pass
that
data.
I
From
in
addition,
this
pathway
provides
a
city,
a
disaster,
recovery
solution
that
is
off-site
with
an
extremely
high
speed
data
connection.
In
the
past
data
and
system
recovery
solutions
were
deemed
sufficient.
However,
in
today's
environment,
for
cyber
breaches
and
natural
disasters,
organizations
must
consider
disaster
recovery,
also
known
as
dr
as
part
of
an
overall
business
continuity
plan.
I
So
now
the
cost
upfront
costs
to
implement
this
fiber
pathway
and
acquire
the
endpoint
equipment
is
seven
hundred
and
seven
thousand
dollars,
with
the
fiber
connection
costs
running
five
hundred
and
five
thousand
and
two
hundred
and
two
thousand
for
the
hardware
licensing
and
support
cost
of
the
fiber
costs.
There
is
a
strong
possibility
that
this
number
may
be
greatly
or
significantly
reduced
with
the
partnerships
I
previously
mentioned
with
guilford,
county
and
greensboro,
and
this
would
be
a
one-time
cost
for
the
actual
implementation
of
that
pathway.
I
The
equipment
costs,
however,
that
the
that
are
noted
they
cover
a
period
of
between
three
to
eight
years
before
needing
to
be
replaced.
Annual
costs
for
after
the
three-year
term
are
estimated
to
run
around
24
000
per
year.
I
I'm
going
to
jump
to
this
slide
right
here
as
part
of
our
internal
study
for
disaster
recovery.
We
also
looked
at
various
cloud
options.
It's
real
big
right
now.
A
lot
of
other
agencies
are
going
to
the
cloud
to
provide
this
type
of
service
these.
While
these
solutions
provide
a
lower
initial
cost,
they
are
an
ongoing
year-to-year
cost.
I
I
J
Good
evening
council,
this
connectivity,
we
have
from
our
primary
800
megahertz
radio
tower
site,
is
at
hawking
street,
which
is
on
lexington
avenue
all
right
train
station.
We
only
have
one
singular
connectivity
back
to
what
they
call
the
prime
site
at
guilford,
metro
9-1-1,
and
that
is
the
microwave
system
that
basically
spans
about
14
and
a
half
miles
as
a
pro
class
nautical
miles
away.
So
this
microwave
system
is
reliant.
J
However,
it
does
go
down
during
bad
weather
situations
case
in
point
this
past
saturday,
while
we
did
not
have
any
storms
here
in
burlington
area
or
the
alamance
county
area
on
saturday,
jupiter
metro
did
and
they
had
a
bad
thunderstorm
right
there
at
the
prime's
light,
and
it
completely
knocked
out
our
radio
communication
consoles
in
the
901
center.
At
that
point,
in
time,
we
have
to
move
to
what
are
called
backup,
which
is
basically
a
mobile
radio.
Same
thing:
it's
in
a
patrol
car.
J
This
severely
limits
their
capabilities
and
capacity
to
monitor
radio
traffic
dispatch.
Multiple
agencies,
including
graham
you,
know,
police,
fire
and
burlington
police
and
fire
this
microwave
path.
If
it
does
fail,
if
we
have
this
fiber
connectivity
in
place,
it
instantaneously
reroutes
all
traffic
through
the
fiber
connectivity
and
our
consoles
never
see
the
difference.
We
have
no
idea
that
we're
flip-flopping
between
a
fiber
and
a
microwave
connection
that
way
we
never
lose
it
like.
I.
J
It
stays
up
and
running
99.9
of
the
time,
but
when
it
does
go
down
is
always
when
we
need
it,
and
it's
during
weather
events.
Usually
during
storms
anytime,
we
have
severe
fog
in
the
mornings,
especially
in
the
early
summer
and
early
fall.
Those
are
the
prime
times
when
we
lose
connectivity
and
especially
during
snow
and
ice
storms.
We
have
a
lot
of
microwave
refraction
is
when
we
lose
connectivity.
J
B
I
Yes,
sir,
how
are
you
is
graham
as
an
example,
graham,
they
have
a
dr
system
in
place
right
now,
whether
you
do
a
backup
or
replication
to
a
fire
station,
as
well
as
to
their
third
party
provider,
comm
tech.
I
I
As
part
of
this,
I
didn't
put
it
on
the
slides,
but
as
part
of
this,
while
that
connection
will
come
back
here
to
city
hall,
we're
going
to
actually
provide
some
additional
engineering
to
tie
it
to
station
six
as
well.
So
if
we
were
to
have
issues
with
say
here
between
here
and
between
city
hall
and
the
splice
point,
there's
a
third
option:
there's
a
third
pathway
for
the
actual
traffic
to
actually
flow.
I
So
north
state
is
actually
in
the
process,
and
that
was
part
of
what
you
guys
agreed
on
this
earlier
this
evening
on
the
rose
statement.
They
are
already
in
process
on
planning
and
doing
the
engineering
study.
That
was
one
of
the
big
pushes
because
they
need
to
include
us
if
they're
going
to
go
ahead
and
do
this,
they
need
to
go
ahead
and
include
us
within
that
study.
Their
plan
is
to
have
the
fiber
in
place
by
the
end
of
this
year.
L
A
critical
need
that
we
need
to
implement
as
quickly
as
we
can
I'm
sure
to
find
the
equipment
so
that
we
can
put
it
on
the
other
end.
When
this
fiber
comes
in
at
the
end
of
the
year,.
B
L
It's
probably
most
of
it's
going
to
be
fund
balance.
There
might
be
some
funds.
What
I
would
say
is.
L
Peggy
and
bring
back
a
budget
amendment
following
this
that
would
either
move
some
money
around
within
the
budget
use
some
fund
balance
we're
also
still
negotiating
with
guilford
county
and
greensboro.
They
may
they
may.
M
L
L
I
They
have,
they
did
mention
that
they
have
guilford.
County
is
also
actually
it's
greensboro
city
of
greensboro
is
going
to
be
providing
service
to
the
fire
station
wisset
and
they're
needing
this
fiber
connectivity
for
that
as
well.
There
was
a
great
grant
application
that
they
were
hoping
to
be
able
to
get
still.
I
noticed
that
12
of
the
sites
were
approved
this
afternoon
by
the
governor.
I
I
So
it
is
truly
an
internet-based
connection,
and
so
I
think
that
it's
probably
I
mean
within
the
next
couple
weeks,
we'll
probably
should
have
an
answer
back
from
greensboro
and
I'll
push
for
it
and
my
hope
was
to
if
they
were
gonna,
we
would
partner
with
the
three
and
with
the
other
two
agencies
that
maybe
they
would
take
on
a
third
so
you're
looking
at.
If
that,
if
we're
able
to
to
do
that,
you're
looking
at
probably
around
160
thousand
160
8
000.
L
C
I
Remember,
and
so
that
actually
you
know,
lumos
is
prior
entity
is
north
state
and
they
were
the
winner
of
the
tri
gig
initiative.
So
this
pathway
of
them
coming
in
is
really
an
extension
of
the
original
initiative
that
they
were
planning
on
doing
yeah.
You
know
as
part
of
the
tri
gig.
C
C
M
L
There's
a
lot
of
things
that
once
this
is
in
the
ground,
and
we
have
that
connection,
there's
a
lot
of
things.
This
could
help
bring
all
of
our
communication
system
together.
Even.
B
I
B
I'm
going
to
now
turn
the
governance
of
the
board
over
to
our
mayor
pro
tem,
harold
owen,
to
handle
that.
C
As
was
indicated
earlier
by
the
mayor,
this
is
an
item
that
he
recognizes
potential
conflict
of
interest.
So
this
is
a
budget
amendment
in
terms
of
purchasing
vehicles
and
a
few
of
the
vehicles
on
this
approved
list
comes
from
his
company.
So
with
that
being
said,
I
would
certainly
open
the
floor
up
for
a
motion
or
a
second
on
this
particular
item
to
approve
it.
C
Got
a
motion
to
approve,
but
mr
wall
second
second
bound,
mr,
so
we
have
a
second
all
in
favor,
mr
good
job.
This
is
a.
Let
me
say
this
too
this
little.
This
was
one
would
have
been
easily
missed
that
if
jim
had
no
really
researched
this
thing,
because
it
would
not
have
shown
up
this
particular.
C
This
is
a
small
part
of
us,
but
this
was
in
the
depth
of
a
major
document.
So
I
got
to
give
the
mayor
credit
for
for
recognizing
this
and
going
about
the
right
way.
Well,.
B
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
allowing
me
to
recuse
myself
from
that
this
time,
we'll
move
on
to
staff
reports.
Our
first
item
under
staff
reports
is
planning
and
zoning
commission
update
we'll
call
on
plane,
director,
jamie
lawson
jamie
welcome.
O
Okay,
I've
got
three
items
for
you
tonight.
The
first
is
a
rezoning
request.
This
is
for
310
cleveland
avenue.
This
is
a
request
to
rezone
the
property
that
is
currently
zoned
general
business
to
high
density
residential,
limited
use.
As
you
can
see
from
this
map,
the
property
is
highlighted
in
the
teal
hatch.
It
is
at
the
south
west
corner
of
cleveland
avenue
and
whitsett
street.
O
Pursuant
to
section
318,
the
applicant
is
seeking
a
limited
use.
Rezoning
the
rezoning
would
be
specific
to
single-family
attached
and
single-family
detached
within
the
high-density
residential
zoning
district.
The
feature
land
use
designation
for
this
area
calls
for
the
area
to
be
traditional
residential.
O
This
request
is
consistent
with
the
future
land
use,
designation
and
the
development
within
the
area.
At
the
june
27th
planning
and
zoning
commission
meeting,
they
recommended
a
unanimous
approval
of
this
request
and
staff
is,
is
doing
the
same.
We
are
asking
for
this
item
to
be
placed
on
the
august
16th
public
hearing
agenda
for
your
meeting
on
that
date.
M
O
Road,
this
is
also
a
limited
use,
rezoning
request.
This
property
is
currently
zoned
light
industrial,
I'm
sorry,
this
property
is
currently
is
on
medium
density,
residential
and
the
request
is
to
go
to
light
industrial
with
a
limited
use.
The
property
is
located
at
zero,
danbrook
and
bonner
bridge
parkway,
as
shown
on
the
map.
That's
highlighted
here
also
in
teal,
there's
about
28
or
so
potential
uses
that
the
applicant
has
identified.
O
Those
are
included
in
your
packet
so
with
with
the
limited
use
they're
making
a
request
not
for
all
of
the
uses
with
light
industrial,
but
it's
a
it's
a
lengthy
list
I'll
be
happy
to
read
through
it.
If
you'd
like
to
get
more
information.
O
F
M
O
H
O
The
future
land
use
designation
and,
as
such,
the
request
to
light
industrial
is
consistent
with
that
and
so
staff
is,
is
recommending
the
request.
Although
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
at
their
meeting
on
june
27th
did
not
recommend
this
application
or
the
rezoning
of
it.
O
O
It
was
withdrawn,
so
they
came
in
with
a
conventional
rezoning
request,
went
back
through
the
pre-application
conference
meeting
process
and
have
now
presented
a
limited
use,
rezoning
request
with.
O
It
heading
down
that
path.
It
was
straight
rezoning
before
okay,
yep,
the
applicant
is,
has
contacted
staff
and
would
like
for
this
matter
to
be
considered
for
the
september
20th
city,
council,
public
hearing
date.
O
I'll
just
do
a
quick
introduction
on
the
item
and
then
I'll
also
introduce
our
our
consultants.
So
this
item
is
the
burlington
design,
standards
and
process
assessment
report.
This
is,
as
you
may
be
aware,
this
is
an
update
to
our
local,
historic
district
overlay
and
just
in
terms
of
some
background,
burlington
is
one
of
the
51
certified
local
governments
in
the
state
of
north
carolina
and
as
such,
we
were
able
to
submit
a
grant
application
to
the
state
to
to
get
our
standards
updated.
O
O
We
went
into
a
competitive
process
to
select
the
consultants
and
I'm
happy
to
introduce
phil
walker.
He
is
one
of
the
two
team
members
keith
covington
is
is
also
involved
in
this
project
too,
and
they
have
assisted
us
along
the
way
in
terms
of.
O
We
had
an
advisory
committee
that
included
about
15
different
members.
We
met,
I
think,
four
times
with
the
advisory
committee.
There
were
several
public
meetings
that
were
held
throughout
the
process
and
we
received
public
input
from
both
the
advisory
committee
and
throughout
the
public
meeting
process.
O
We
presented
an
initial
draft
of
this
document
to
the
historic
preservation
commission
on
june
8,
2022
and-
and
there
were
other
drafts
subsequent
to
that,
but
at
that
meeting
the
historic
preservation
commission
recommended
approval
of
the
draft
and
the
process
assessment
document.
So
we
looked
at
both
the
standards
and
also
the
process
throughout
throughout
the
time.
O
The
planning
and
zoning
commission
also
recommended
a
unanimous
approval
of
the
project
at
their
july
11th
special
meeting
and
we'll
have
a
short
presentation-
it's
not
very
long,
but
we
wanted
to
just
kind
of
set
the
context
of
this
of
this
project
since
it's
it
has.
O
It
had
a
quick
time
table,
but
a
lot
has
been
covered
in
a
short
period
of
time,
so
we
have
a
a
couple
of
slides
just
to
go
through
that
and
then
staff
is
recommending
that
this
item
be
placed
on
your
august
16th
agenda
as
well
for
a
public
hearing.
So
let
me
turn
it
over
to
phil.
H
H
So
what
we're
gonna
talk
about
a
little
bit
of
project
overview
in
case
you
don't
know
much
about
it
and
then
I
think
jamie's
gonna
hit
on
some
of
the
process
issues,
because
it's
not
just
a
matter
of
the
contents
of
the
standards,
but
also
the
process
that
we've
looked
at
a
lot
and
then
I'll
go
through
the
standards
and
just
you
know
mainly
looking
at
the
table
of
contents
and
then,
if
you
want
to
go
to
specific
pages,
we
can
go
forward
to
that
and
and
just
really
have
a
discussion.
H
If
you
have
questions
while
we're
going
through
the
document
feel
free
to
ask,
so
we
want
to
go
to
the
next
slide.
So
what
are
design
standards?
I'm
sure
most
of
you
probably
know
but
they're,
basically
a
set
of
rules
that
that
you
know
dictate
what
happens
in
the
landscapes
and
with
buildings
within
the
historic
district.
H
It
looks
at
things
like
you
know:
alterations
existing
buildings,
new
development,
the
relocation
of
buildings,
which
obviously
isn't
very
common
in
demolitions,
there's
all
sorts
of
state
codes
that
that
you
know
enable
a
city
to
have
local
historic
districts
here
in
burlington.
It's
the
l,
the
the
udo
that
contains
the
ordinance.
H
Of
course,
the
council
has
to
adopt
these
planning
and
zoning
recommended
approval
on
july
11th.
Right
now
you
have
just
two
local
historic
districts
that
may
be
all
you
ever
have
glencoe
mill
and
west
davis
fountain
place,
and
you
also
have
five
local
individual
landmarks.
H
The
whole
program
is
administered
by
the
preservation,
commission
and,
of
course,
city
staff,
and
to
do
any
kind
of
work
in
these
two
areas.
You
have
to
get
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
which
is
kind
of
like
your
permit.
That
says
either
the
commission
or,
if
it's
an
administrative
approval,
the
staff
says.
Yes,
you
can
you
can
do
that
based
upon
the
standards.
H
So
really,
in
addition
to
just
updating
your
standards,
which
were
prepared
some
years
ago,
they've
been
updated
periodically,
but
there
were
three
particular
objectives
that
the
city's
had
as
you're
probably
well
aware.
Number
one
is
simply
to
modernize
the
standards,
for
example,
when
it
comes
to
materials,
materials
building,
materials
are
something
that
are
always
evolving
their
new
materials.
So
that
was
something
that
we
needed
to
address
to
kind
of
update
them,
also
figuring
out.
How
can
we
streamline
the
approval
process?
H
Looking
at
you
know,
applications
that
are
major
that
is
require
full
commission
approval,
looking
at
opportunities
for
maybe
shifting
some
of
those
over
to
administrative
approvals,
which
are
considered
minor
and
even
looking
at
some
work
that
might
be
proposed
in
the
districts
that
are
administratively
approved.
That
might
be
considered
maintenance,
which
would
mean
no
coa
requirements.
So
you
know
we've
done
a
little
bit
of
moving
in
that
direction
and
also
just
having
more
user-friendly
standards.
For
example,
the
current
standards
didn't
even
have
a
table
of
contents.
We
have
a
very
detailed
table
of
contents.
H
H
H
We
had
a
lot
of
that
before
we
actually
created
the
draft
of
the
guidelines,
which
was
task
three
and
now
we're
in
that
final
stretch,
we've
gone
before
different
bodies
and
of
course,
here
we
are
at
4.5
with
the
council
workshop
and
then
I
think
it's
what
august
16th
will
be
the
council
hearing.
If,
if
we
stay
on
on
pace.
O
So,
like
I
mentioned
before
as
part
of
the
process,
staff
also
looked
at
what
we
call
the
process
assessment
and
you've
got
that
document
which
is
separate
from
the
standards
included
in
your
packet.
There
are
some
recommendations
that
are
included
within
that
and
I'll
just
highlight
a
couple
to
continue
ongoing
training.
As
you're
aware,
the
historic
preservation
commission
serves
as
both
advisory
in
legislative
matters
and
also
decision
makers
in
the
quasi-judicial
role.
So
they
have
both
dual
legislative
and
quasi-judicial
roles.
O
So
it's
important
to
continue
ongoing
training
with
with
that
body,
so
they
have
the
best
background
and
information
on
how
to
conduct
their
different
roles
and
responsibilities.
O
There's
also
discussion
about
expanding
the
hpc
membership
to
get
additional
members.
That
would
be
an
amendment
to
the
udo
if
in
the
future,
if
you're
so
inclined
to
do
that
also
included.
There's
discussion
about
a
design,
review
committee
or
design
consultation
committee-
and
this
is
this-
would
not
be
a
requirement.
This
is
a
recommendation
that
has
occurred
in
the
past
in
some
format
or
another,
but
this
would
be
establishing
a
separate
sort
of
advisory
committee.
O
That
would
consist
this
is
a
staff
recommendation
that
would
consist
of
x
either
ex
hpc
members
or
members
of
the
community
at
large.
That
could
help
when
an
applicant
has
questions
on
particular
items
that
are
included
in
the
standards
or
materials,
and
that
way
they
can
get
some
some
some
advice,
non-binding,
obviously
but
advice,
but
that
would
avoid
the
potential
conflict
of
interest
or
any
kind
of
noticing
when
somebody
would
speak
to
or
get
information
from,
an
hpc
member
which,
obviously
you
can't
do.
That
would
be
ex
parte
communication.
O
So
the
the
design
consultation
committee
is
one
way
it's
optional.
It's
one
way
that
that
the
public
and
property
owners
could
could
help
to.
You
know
that
could
help
to
streamline
the
process.
There's
other
recommendations,
including
using
the
website
to
to
the
best
of
our
ability
to
keep
education
and
information.
Most
current.
O
There's
also
recommendations
to
review
these
standards
on
an
annual
basis,
as
phil
mentioned,
it's
been
some
time
since
the
standards
were
updated,
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
information
in
here
that
we
have
suggested
to
help
modernize
the
standards,
but,
with
you
know,
with
changes
in
text
as
you
are
familiar
with
the
udo
process.
Sometimes
those
things
need
to
be
need
to
be
in
place
before
you
actually
see
whether
or
not
they
are
working.
O
So
so
we
recommend
looking
at
the
standards
on
an
annual
basis
and
coming
to
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
and
city
council
with
any
text
amendments.
I
think
some
member
of
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
also
recommended
coming
more
frequently
than
one
year,
but
we'll
see
how
that
how
that
goes.
O
I
guess
the
the
bottom
line
is
these.
These
standards
are
fluid.
They're
not
meant
to
be
set
in
stone,
so
they
are,
they
can
they
can
change
if
things
need
to
be
adapted
just
like
any
other
ordinance
provision.
O
If
hpc
feel
that
there's
a
special
need
to
expedite
an
application
city
council
shall
consider
adding
a
position
to
the
planning
department
for
for
a
person
or
personnel
to
deal
specifically
with
the
hpc
items,
you'll
see
some
reference
in
our
document
and
phil
alluded
to
this
too,
where
there
was
shifting
of
line
items
under
major
coas
to
minor
coas
in
some
cases
and
minor
coas
to
general
maintenance
in
an
effort
to
help
reduce
time
for
projects
that
we
felt
could
could
be
shifted
and
there
wouldn't
be
a
major
impact
on
on
the
overall
in
in
the
overall
outcome,
just
an
ongoing
continual
effort
to
make
things
more
efficient
and
and
then
also
looking
at
broader
interpretation,
where
there
is
a
need
to
expedite
situations
dealing
with
emergency
standards
and
utility
services
and
trees
removal.
O
H
H
But
if
you
look
at
it
section
8
the
introduction
kind
of
just
talks
about
the
merits
of
of
historic
districts
and
that
sort
of
thing,
section,
b,
design,
review
process
talks
about
the
steps
you
take
to
get
a
coa
jamie
just
mentioned
the
the
major
versus
minor
versus
maintenance
issues.
H
We
have
the
matrix
in
there
section
c,
the
historic
context
you
know,
talks
about
the
development
of
burlington
looks
at
the
your
two
historic
districts
provides
a
lot
of
background
information
on
that
and
then
section
d
is
when
you
get
into
the
real
meat
of
the
document
with
the
standards,
and
we
start
off
with
the
federal
preservation
standards
that
are
very
broad.
And
then
we
talk
about
some
of
the
key
issues
like
visibility.
H
In
other
words,
you
know
what
parts
of
a
building
are
visible
from
what
vantage
points
on
a
street
looking
at
contributing
versus
non-contributing
buildings.
Since
you
know
those
can
dictate
what
new
development
looks
like
based
on,
what's
what's
around
it
and
then
and
then
we
jump
into
the
kind
of
sections.
H
First
of
all,
looking
the
most
details
for
existing
historic
buildings,
so
we
get
in
kind
of
the
components
you
know:
walls,
foundations,
roofs,
you
know
kind
of
piece
by
piece,
then
we
get
into
on
section
two:
it's
building
I'm
trying
to
read
that
there
looks
like
additions,
yeah
additions,
existing
buildings,
then
new
buildings,
which
we
break
up
by
residential
commercial
and
institutional
and
industrial.
Even
though
you'll
have
very
few
of
those
those
latter
two
categories
in
these
two
districts,
but
at
least
there
is
always
opportunity
for
that.
H
Just
based
on
your
zoning
and
so
forth,
then
we
get
into
out
buildings
and
sites
out
buildings
like
garages,
for
example,
that
sort
of
thing
side
issues
like
landscaping.
If
you
want
to
go
the
next
section
and
then
building
relocations,
demolition
and
demolition
by
neglect,
which
is
very
different
than
outright
demolition,
it's
basically,
you
know
not
maintaining
a
property.
Then
we
get
into
what's
the
next
disaster:
oh
yeah
disaster
preparedness,
then
signage
and
then
murals
and
then
the
table
of
con,
the
appendix
section.
H
O
I
think,
what's
also
helpful
to
know
is
this
document
is
intended
to
be
technologically
friendly.
I
guess
is
what
I
would
say:
there's
a
lot
of
links
to
get
to
the
application
materials.
There's
information
on
whether
or
not
building
permits
may
be
required,
so
there's
useful
information
that
a
property
owner
or
applicant
may
want
to
have
that
would
complete
the
picture
so
they're
going
through
a
process,
but
this
may
be.
You
know
just
one
step
in
the
process
and
we
wanted
for
them
to
see
the
whole
entire
thing.
O
There's
a
good
flow
chart
also-
and
I
can
try
to
just
get
to
it
quickly,
because
I
think
that
it
is,
if
I
skip
over
it
yeah
there
it
is
so
staff
created
this
flow
chart
also
to
to
really
help
guide
what
the
processes
may
be,
depending
upon
the
type
of
application
and
and
what
the
oversight
might
be.
O
You
know
the
idea
is
to
help
applicants
as
much
as
possible
and
then
the
last
part
is
if
the
major
cla
is
required.
So
I
think
I'll
stop
talking
at
this
point
and
just
go
back
to
here
where
there's
discussion,
I
think
I
didn't
skip
over
too
much.
Did
I.
O
O
So
I
I
just
have
a
snapshot
and
I'll
start
at
this
is
b7,
and
these
are
the
so.
The
the
matrix
includes
starting,
on
the
right
hand,
side
major
works.
Those
are
what
would
go
to
the
hpc
minor
works,
which
would
be
approved
or
reviewed
by
staff
administratively
and
then
the
no
coas
which
are
general
maintenance.
This
first
and
this
is
taken
from
our
existing
standards.
O
O
But
on
starting
on
b
8
and
the
following,
you
deal
with
items
that
fall
under
private
property,
and
so
you
can
see
again
those
same
categories
of
major
minor
and
no
coa,
and
we
added
in
a
number
of
line
items
so
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
match
up
the
old
standards
to
be
to
these
new
standards
and
there's
a
lot
of
language.
That
is
more
specific
in
some
ways,
because
our
old
standards
were
very
very
vague.
O
Something
that
wasn't
addressed
in
the
old
standards
would
have
automatically
been.
A
major
coa
would
have
automatically
had
to
go
to
the
hpc
for
consideration
by
adding
in
additional
line
items
and
making
things
more
clear.
We
were
able
to
move
things
from
what
would
have
been
a
major
coa
to
either
a
minor
coa
or
no
coa.
So
a4
is
one
example
of
that
where
things
were
moved.
I
think
that's
one
example
of
that
of
where
things
were
moved
from.
Let's
say
a
major
to
no
coa
and
the
and
the
yellow
arrows.
O
O
O
The
first
this
yeah.
O
The
list
that
you
have
in
front
of
you
is
what
was
recommended
by
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
and
also
recommended
by
staff
at
the
planning
at
the
hpc,
the
historic
preservation
commission.
I
should
say
that
the
planning
the
hpc
had
a
couple.
There
were
a
couple
areas
where
there
was
some
language
that
that
they
wanted
recommended
and
and
the
h
sorry
too
many
acronyms.
O
C
It
yeah
that
there's
yeah
and
maybe
I
need
to
wait
but
there's,
for
example,
in
that
first
group
there
it
says
widening
a
real
line
of
stress
new
curb
cuts.
You
know,
I
think
I'll
just
say
this.
I
think
council
members
and
I
I
know
several
of
us-
had
some
pretty
in-depth
conversations
with
the
staff.
C
Our
udo
is
is
a
what
now
is
known
as
a
moving
document
every
three
months.
It's
basically
reviewed
to
try
to
get
it
better
for.
C
That
makes
it
because
times
have
changed
so
much,
especially
where
we've
been
in
the
last
three
or
four
years
and
where
we're
going
forward
with
construction
with
materials
with
all
kinds
of
things,
a
great
example
of
this-
and
this
is
something
that
I
know
in
talking
and
I'm
going
to
give
full
credit
here.
We
met
an
awful
lot
with
jamie.
The
idea
of
jamie
nolan
and
and
david
huffman
was
involved.
The
one
thing
that
hit
me
there
was
the
the
working
the
public
right
away.
C
You
know
it
appears
to
me
that
that
work
should
have
the
final
authority
of
the
city
since
the
city,
that's
or
the
state.
That's
that's
that
right
away,
you
know
so
I
mean
my
question:
is
you
know
I've
put
I
put
a
document
together
that
the
clerk
has,
and
mr
kirkland
has
that.
C
Another
one
that
was
identified
in
our
conversations
was
something
which
doesn't
happen
an
awful
lot,
but
emergency
demolition.
You
know
it's.
We
talked
about
a
great
deal
that
process
that
the
city
needs
a
mechanism
to
quickly
affect
the
demolition
for
emergency
situations,
and
I
think
we
talked
specifically
with
the
attorney
and
police
and
fire
about
this,
where
there's
an
immediate
danger
to
life,
safety
or
or
whatever,
over
the
property
in
themselves.
C
That's
another
code
actually
that
to
me
the
city
code
provides
the
authority
and
is
as
such
that
I
would
recommend
that
a
reference
to
city
code,
section
1434,
be
included
under
section
d5
to
provide
further
clarification
about
issue,
in
other
words,
who
has
final
clarification
in
a
situation
like
that
and
again
it
may
not
happen.
But
when
you
start
going
from
meeting
to
meeting
when
something
needs
to
be
done,
the
public
doesn't
take
well
to
that
and
it
makes
them
makes
very
little
sense
cost
of
materials
and
where
we
are
right
now,
with
inflation.
B
M
C
This
is
naked
that
you
know
not
being
critical
of
our
process
or
the
historic
properties
commission
whatsoever,
but
when
and
again
I
give
staff
credit
they
put
unlimited
hours
in
this
thing
and
when
they
start
diving
through
it,
you
saw
some
conflicts
there.
That
you
know
would
raise
some
attention
and
concern.
C
You
know
we
talk
about
cost
of
materials,
and
now
we
talk
about
inflation,
9.1
percent
for
the
last
month.
The
udo
is
something
that
we've
been
work.
We
worked
on
for
how
many
months,
how
many
years
many
years
and
and
what
we
found
out
real,
quick
all
that
work
about
every
three
months,
there's
more
work
to
do,
because
the
things
thanks
to
changing
that
quickly.
C
So
I
think
again,
this
is
going
back
to
to
working
with
staff
that
that
the
use
of
modern
materials,
particularly
in
addition
of
building
materials
matrix
and
I
think
that's
on
one
of
the
pages.
I
think
it's
d42
jamie.
C
C
Ranged
which
I
thought
was
low
to
eleven
thousand
and
the
last
bid
came
in
at
25
000
and
if
you
check
with
the
construction
now
that
one
of
the
hardest
things
to
get
now
is
what
is
windows
I
mean,
of
course
this
is
different
times,
but
these
are
items
that
you
know
we're
now
facing
and
we
need
to
at
least
recognize
that
they
can
occur
and
will
continue
to
occur
as
we
as
we
go
through
this
process
being
involved
in
this
organization.
It's
1975,
the
one
thing
people
can
almost
about
government
is
it's
too
bureaucratic.
C
The
the
udo,
I
think
is
basically
gave
us
a
roadway
of
saying
you
know
what
could
be
true
at
times,
but
by
going
back
and
making
changes
and
being
somewhat
flexible
at
times
it
at
least
directs
our
attention
to
what
the
homeowner,
the
property
owner
the
builder
we
all
face
as
challenges
now
that
we
maybe
never
had
faced
before,
especially
the
supply
chain.
That's
that's!
C
C
I
think
that
can
confuse
people,
because
you
see
those
links
and
you
you
begin
to
figure
out-
is
that
a
standard
or
not?
You
know,
while
that
point
is
technically
covered
in
page
six
b6,
I
would
recommend
for
further
clarity
that
we
label
each
call
out
box
with
a
label
with
something
like
this.
Information
is
supplemental
and
is
not
part
of
the
standards
for
regulatory
purposes,
in
other
words,
make
it
clear
it's
advisory,
but
not
you
know
you
know
in
terms
of
guaranteed.
C
I
think
it's
been
an
island
experience
for
all
of
us
that
the
complexity
that
we
face
at
times
when
and
I'm
not
sure
the
homeowner
quite
always
understands
that
there
actually
was
discussion
on
one
item
too,
which
I
recall
was
interesting,
was
and
when
I
had
one
gentleman
in
that
district
call
me
about
this
about
and
again.
C
C
But
you
know
I
do
believe
it's
it's
our
responsibility
to
at
least
voice
the
opinions
of
some
of
the
citizens
who
live
there,
who
like
living
in
the
district,
but
also
wants
to
be
able
to
have
a
roadway
of
making
some
improvements
and
do
it
in
somewhat
of
a
timely
manner
and
and
not
get
it
so
tied
down
in
bureaucracy
in
reference
to
how
long
it
takes.
So,
what
I'm
asking
is
that
this
information
would
be
at
least
included
in
some
of
the
conversations
at
that
public
hearing
on
august
16th.
B
That
would
still
achieve
the
capacity
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
in
a
historical
district,
but
provide
some
method
of
remediation
for
that
yeah.
C
And
in
all
respect
goes
to
people
on
the
historic
properties
commission
that
they're
involved
they're
dedicated,
and
but
I
think
it's
got
to
be
a
working
relationship
with
which
I
think
now
we
put
together
a
really
quality
staff
that
has
interest
in
and
poor
jamie
has
been
thrown
in
the
middle
of
it,
and
thank
you
for
staying
jamie.
C
She
was
recruited
by
a
number
of
other
people.
Let
me
say
that,
and
and
and
they
in
the
work
of
mr
kirkland
is
exceptional,
as
as
mr
huffman
has
got
involved
from
the
legal
side
to
try
to
you
know,
come
to
a
conclusion
where
all
parties
can
work
together
for
the
betterment
of
the
of
the
homes,
the
district
and
and
the
city
as
a
whole.
N
B
N
So
many
of
these
decisions
that
you're
talking
about
moving
from
the
hpc
decisions,
what
you
call
major
to
minor,
where
the
staff
person
would
make
those
decisions,
those
are
causing
judicial
hearings
that
they
would
hbc,
would
be
having
in
front
of
them.
And
when
you
move
into
a
minor,
it's
still
they're
they're
still
checking
off
on
it
to
make
sure
it
meets
the
standards,
but
it's
being
done
at
the
staff
level.
N
So
it
is
important
that
you
have
someone
well
trained
and
knowledgeable
with
the
right
goals
in
mind
to
be
able
to
handle
that
sort
of
role,
but
also
when
you
get
to
applausing
judicial
gear
and
you're
you're
trying
to
it
loses
some
of
the
collaborative
process,
because
the
hpc
members
are
hearing
a
case
and
they
have
to
adhere
to.
N
Although
loosened
the
rules
of
evidence
and
you've
got
to
avoid
conflicts
of
interest
and
having
evidence
come
in,
but
not
in
the
format
here
and
here,
you
can
go
out
and
hear
something
on
the
screen:
it's
not
admissible,
so
you're
trying
to
avoid
a
lot
of
those
by
switching
some
of
these
items
that
you're
talking
about
from
major
to
minor
you're,
trying
to
avoid
some
of
that
and
maybe
work
more
toward
a
collaborative
process,
particularly
with
the
design
review.
N
N
If
you
have
former
members
of
the
hpc
that
can
serve
on
this
sort
of
design
review,
I
think
help
them
navigate
this
process
while
at
the
same
time
avoiding
some
of
those
quality
judicial
conflicts
that
you
can
just
expose
the
legislative
matters
or
just
like
what
you're
doing
here.
This
is
a
legislative
matter.
Okay,
the
legislative
matter
is
also
what
you
have
before
you
buy
in
the
form
of
two
petitions.
N
Plus
95,
plus
of
everything
that
hbc
does
it's
probably
what
you
do
and.
C
With
that
being
said,
new
construction
in
the
district
well
at
times
that's
limited
because
of
this-
the
density
of
the
district,
but
there
was
an
an
interest
earlier
for
a
new
construction
and
that's
difficult
in
terms
of
the
process,
especially
when
you
go
back
and
start
looking
at.
When
I
talk
about
right,
aways,
it
gets.
It
gets
very
complicated
in
in
terms
of
of
how
who
gets
who
makes
the
final
decision
on
certain
whether
it's
driveway
permitting
that
type
thing
which
might
not
sound
to
be
important.
C
But
you
know
it's
crucial
the
landscaping
concepts
you
know
we
talked
about
that
somewhat.
I
think
that's
been
talked
about
jamie
and
you
can
go
in
more
depth
about
that
is
the
control
of
landscaping
of
homes
and
again
we
gotta
remember
these.
These,
these
properties
are
are
old,
so
their
landscaping
is
it's.
C
Now
I
recall
really
early
in
my
career.
We
had
a
situation
in
the
district
friday
in
september,
a
hurricane
on
the
way,
a
tree,
leaning
very
closely
to
the
back
of
a
house
to
the
children's
bedroom,
and
it
was
a
standoff
between
a
gentleman.
There
was
getting
ready
to
take
the
tree
down
the
owner
of
the
property
and
some
people
involved
from
hbc.
C
He
put
the
city
in
a
pretty
tough
situation.
If
I
remember
correctly,
mr
ward,
yes,
you
did
because
if
that
tree
would
have
fallen,
the
liability
quickly
would
have
gone
to
us
in
many
in
some
people's
view.
C
So
you
know
it's
there's
extenuating
circumstances
that
I
know
is,
or
sometimes
many,
but
those
are
things
that
have
to
be
discussed
and
I'm
not
trying
to
take
control
away
from
anybody.
I'm
just
trying
to
make
it
easier
for
people
to
understand
the
people
who
do
work
and
then
the
value
of
the
district
overall
is
what
I
think
our
intentions
are
on
this
one.
C
B
Of
right-of-way
public
right-of-way
to
me
should
be
city
staff
and
when
you
start
looking
through
the
document,
jamie,
all
of
a
sudden,
you
say
add
a
person,
that's
not
a
request.
That's
going
to
be
a
requirement,
you
know
when
we
start
looking
at
where
we're
going
to
have
to
go
with
this.
B
It's
just
going
to
have
to
be
a
commitment
to
have
that
personal
staff,
but
you
know
the
if
we're
talking
about
the
preservation
of
the
buildings
and
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
and
we're
reading
some
of
the
things
in
scope
and
purpose,
public
roadway's,
public
right
away
and
landscaping's
a
little
bit
different
than
that
too.
So
I'd
agree.
B
Those
items
need
to
go
to
city
staff
level
and
I
think
that's
exactly
where
we
need
to
move
it
and
let's
stay
focused
on
the
things
that
matter
and
and
keep
our
eyes
on
the
big
objective,
because
it's
not
about
taking
control
away
from
someone.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
it
shouldn't
be
a
controller
at
all.
It
should
be
a
collaboration
to
be
sure
we're
achieving
the
overall
goal
of
preservation
of
historical
buildings.
B
C
Is
to
to
preserve
it,
and
it's
not
you
know
it's
it.
How
can
we
do
it
where
more
people
can
be
involved
in
it
in
reference
to
preserving
the
properties
than
just
sometimes
a
selected
few,
because
they
may
have
the
financial
means
to
to
do
things
that
some
other
people
who
would
like
to
just
simply
don't
have,
and
that's
why
I
mentioned
the
deal
about
the
rear
and
the
back
of
houses.
It's
not
being
seen.
That's
that's!
C
That's
a
those
are
the
kind
of
things
that
the
public
has
come
to
us
about,
and
we
just
need
to
to
try
to
somehow
find
a
good
point
there
where
we
can.
All
you
know,
come
to
understand
and
know
what's
the
best
way
to
go
forward,
and
the
final
thing,
too,
is
just
simply
this:
we
know
this.
C
The
city
staff,
my
city,
council
city
staff,
gets
blamed,
because
why
can't
we
get
work
started,
we
don't
get
it
guys
as
much
as
they
think
these
guys
catch
and
then
being
in
what
I
used
to
do.
I
can
assure
you
that's
a
tough
job
right
there
and
at
times
in
this
situation,
the
city
staff's
hands
are
tied.
C
B
B
B
M
O
So
landscaping
is
on
page
well,
my
page
this.
This
doesn't
have
a
page
number,
but
it
starts
with
b1
through
d7,
and
so
we
have
really
streamlined
this
section
a
lot,
and
so
these
are
the
recommendations
and
there's
only
three
areas
where
landscaping
would
go
to
the
hpc.
O
O
Those
are
the
three
items
where
we
go
to
the
hpc.
There
are
other
items
that
would
have
that
staff
has
shifted
to
minor
and
those
include
landscape
changes.
You
know
more
minor
landscape
changes,
demolition
of
any
existing
landscape
feature
that
would
be
a
minor
coa
and
then
the
second
one
is
removal
of
a
healthy
tree.
But
if
it's
replaced
by
another
tree
on
the
recommended
plant
list,
that
would
just
be
an
administrative
approval.
O
O
You
know
your
vegetable
gardens,
your
shrubbery
installation
of
rear
yard
trees,
additional
removal
of
individual
plants,
those
are
all
also
no
coa,
so
it
we
really.
We
really
took
a
look
at
this.
A
lot
staff
did
and
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion
about
it.
But
ultimately
these
were
this
is
where
we
landed,
and
I
think
the
intent
is
a
lot
of
what
you
were
discussing
to
make
improvements
to
properties
more
user
friendly,
so
that
the
property
owners
have
the
ability
to
improve
their
landscaping.
O
C
These
were
trees
have
been
there
for
years
that
basically
identified
as
having
structural
issues,
which
created
a
sense
of
liability
that
we
had
to
make
move
to
take
action
on
nobody
wanted
to
do
that.
I
mean
it
was
trees
that
were
planted
in
right-of-way
areas.
That
probably
was
no
more
than
three
and
four
feet
wide.
It
had
grown
to
60
to
80
feet
high
and
the
limbs
I
mean
the
root
system.
C
Right
and
what
our
option
was
we're
very
fortunate
to
have
a
gentleman
here
in
our
communities.
That's
very
good
at
this
in
terms
of
trying
to
make
make
that
determination
about
the
health
of
these
trees.
Nobody
likes
that.
You
know
when
you
have
to
take
those
kind
of
actions,
but
again
it's
a
that
was
the
public
right
away.
Is
public
safety
sidewalks
are
there
cars
are
going
by
consistently
but
and
again,
not
taking
any
saying
that
anyone
any
of
our
commissions
aren't
experts
in
that?
C
I
think,
though,
in
the
end,
the
responsibility
needs
to
come
back
where
the
city
staff
has
some
real
say-so
in
that
to
make
those
decisions
and
try
to
be
consistent
throughout
the
throughout
the
historic
district.
O
Well,
seth
felt
that
if
it
was
being
replaced
by
another
tree
or
another
another
plant,
that's
on
the
recommended
tree
list,
essentially
you're
taking
one
down
it
may
it
may
be,
it
may
be
healthy,
but
it's
in
it's
underneath
the
power
lines
or
it's
up
against
coming
close
to
a
structure
where
it's
going
to
create
some
sort
of
structural
problem.
I
mean
there's,
there's
always
all
different
reasons
why
you
may
want
to
take
down
a
tree
most
of
the
time.
O
You
name
it
or
towards
before
the
foundation
is
going
close
to
the
structure
of
the
house
and
it's
creating
some
sort
of
problem
structurally
wise,
so
that
felt
that
those
those
types
of
trees
they
may
be
healthy,
but
there
there
might
be
other
problems
associated
with
it.
So
if
they're,
if
a
property
owner
or
applicant's
replanting
and
then
the
and
the
tree
replacement,
is
on
the
recommended
list,
we
felt
that
that
could
be
minor.
You
still
would
get
an
application
from
a
property
owner.
M
O
O
B
B
C
Answers
will
present
themselves
and
the
udo
process
came.
Basically,
it
also
provide
got
the
developers
involved
to
give
their
opinions
and
how
we
could
how
we
could
and
honestly.
The
udo
has
resulted
in
a
higher
quality
development
in
this
community,
and
I
give
pnc
a
ton
of
credit
for
understanding
that
in
the
beginning
and
being
part
of
this
process.
So
thank
you
all.
M
O
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
I
very
much
appreciate
it
and
appreciate
your
questions,
appreciate
the
consultants
and
all
of
their
hard
work,
nolan
and
other
staff
members
too,
very
much
if
this
has
been
a
collaborative
effort
so
and.
H
Sure-
and
I
want
to
say
one
thing-
that
most
communities
I
work
in-
you
wouldn't
want
to
delegate
this
level
of
responsibility
to
your
staff,
but
your
staff
is
pretty
amazing,
so
you're
very
fortunate
to
have
who
you
have
thank.
M
B
D
Well,
interim
manager
cheat
gave
me
the
opportunity
to
move
this
into
item
this
morning
and
I
said
no,
let's
go
ahead,
but
after
that
amount
of
discussion
I
hope
you
can
still
hear
all
that.
I
have
to
say
too,
but
it
will
be
hopefully
quick
and
helpful
this
evening.
D
So
tonight
I'm
here
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
some
proposed
downtown
service
enhancement.
So
thomas
actually
asked
me:
what
do
those
words
really
mean?
So
I'm
getting
ready
to
tell
you
we're
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
maybe
some
opportunities
for
us
to
get
in
the
downtown
with
some
extra
staff
and
then
how
does
that
affect
a
lot
of
the
complaints
that
we're
getting
really
around,
where
we're
seeing
folks
that
are
homeless
that
are
in
our
downtown
community
or
that
our
community
thinks
are
homeless.
D
D
D
So
last
time
we
were
in
front
of
you
was
in
january
at
the
work
session,
where
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
what
we
were
doing
to
date
and
what
kind
of
our
struggles
were.
Our
barriers
were,
as
we
were
trying
to
do
this
work,
and
so
we've
had
a
lot
of
folks
working
on
this
in
the
city.
It
takes
everybody
to
tackle
an
issue
of
this
magnitude.
D
So
really
our
core
group
has
been
me
nolan
chief
long
peter,
mr
huffman
has
been
in
there
with
us
bev
gary
smith's
got
drug
in
the
magnanimous
one
and
even
jamie
joyner's
had
to
sit
in
and
help
on
some
stuff
too
and
unfortunately,
for
craig
we've
pulled
him
in
as
well.
D
So
it's
really
taken
a
lot
of
conversation
for
us
to
tackle
an
issue
this
complex.
So
you
know
right
now
it's
a
great
opportunity
for
downtown.
We
got
a
lot
going
on.
We
got
the
paramount
coming
project
coming
on
board,
so
we're
excited
about
that.
So
it's
a
good
opportunity
for
us
to
talk
about
what
can
we
do
around
these
things,
so
efforts
complete
and
in
progress?
D
I've
touched
on
some
of
these.
Some
of
these
will
be
new
to
you,
but
just
for
the
record,
the
depot
has
full
camera
coverage.
Every
nook
and
cranny
is
covered.
Those
do
run
to
our
telecommunications
center.
Our
folks
are
there
answering,
obviously
our
our
911
calls
so
when
you
would
say
that
they're
monitoring,
yes,
they're,
monitoring
them
and
performing
job
duties
along
with
many
many
other
cameras
in
our
community,
but
we
do
have
camera
coverage
and
are
able
to
use
those
when
needed.
D
D
We
always
are
looking
at
lighting
and
obviously
the
cameras,
so
that's
occurred
since
we
last
spoke
with
you.
We've
talked
to
other
communities,
so
I've
talked
with
greensboro
wilmington.
I've
done
some
extension
extensive
research
on
asheville
and
actually
watched
their
city
council
meetings,
which
are
different
than
ours
then
actually
talked
with
mecklenburg
county
as
well,
with
their
public
health
officials
and
kind
of
what
they're
doing
within
those
counties.
So
that's
been
a
good
opportunity
for
me
to
learn
that
we
are
not
alone
and
that
no
one
has
found
the
solution.
D
So,
as
you
know,
with
brian
tennant's
presentation
before
we've
got
the
lighting
project
in
the
downtown
district,
as
well
as
in
the
parking
lots,
so
that
is
ongoing
and
underway.
D
D
So
they
are
in
housing
not
to
say
that
they're
not
coming
back
downtown
to
hang
out
with
their
friends,
but
they
are
housed
individuals
that
may
still
enjoy
being
in
our
downtown
district
from
time
to
time
and
then
actually
working
with
allied
churches
and
have
signed
an
agreement
for
a
locker
program.
D
So
what
we're
proposing?
What
with
with
jay
and
we're
working
towards
this,
is
to
purchase
a
locker
system
that'll
be
on
allied
churches,
property
and
so,
where
we're
seeing
unattended
items
that
are
left
in
our
depot
area
or
in
our
public
right-of-ways.
D
We're
going
to
have
the
opportunity
to
redirect
those
individuals
and
those
unattended
items
to
allied
churches,
property,
so
jay
will
kind
of
manage.
All
of
that.
I
think
this
will
really
give
us
an
opportunity
to
have
a
resource
so
that,
if
we
do
get
to
the
point
where
things
are
being
left
unattended
and
and
they're
not
being
removed
over
and
over
again,
we
will
have
an
opportunity
to
remove
those
items
and
and
work
with
those
folks
to
either
retrieve
it.
And
if
it's
not,
if
it's
continually
habitual,
then
those
may
be
removed.
D
But
that's
something
that
we
really
have
to
work
out.
The
mechanics
of
all
of
that.
What
I
do
know
at
this
point
is
that
we
have
an
agreement
they're
going
to
purchase
lockers
and
put
them
on
their
property
and
then
we'll
work
internally
with
our
staff
of
how
we
kind
of
execute
that
and
then
we've
just
been
contending
continuing
to
expand
our
community
partnerships.
D
So
you've
heard
pastor.
Gene
cates
has
come
here
to
speak
before
about
the
mission
work
that
he
does
at
challenger
street.
So
we
were
able
to
meet
with
him
and
hear
about
what
he's
doing.
We
were
able
to
share
with
him
our
struggles
in
the
downtown
district,
which
that
two-way
conversation
is
good.
When
folks
are
wanting
to
help,
and
then
you
know
we're
kind
of
charged
with
how
do
we
mitigate
you
need
to
be
able
to
have
those
relationships
and
share
that
back
and
forth.
D
D
And
then,
before
I
kind
of
roll
into
what
some
of
these
proposed
next
steps
might
be,
I'm
just
going
to
touch
briefly
on
some
facts
for
consideration.
This
kind
of
puts
us
all
at
the
same
ground
level
before
we
begin
the
conversation,
but
so
obviously
public
property
versus
private
property
presents
challenges.
You
all
know
that
when
we're
on
public
property,
we
oftentimes
people
standing
on
public
property
is
not
a
criminal
act.
People
sitting
on
public
property
is
not
a
criminal
act.
D
D
D
There
is
a
feeling
a
lot
of
times
for
folks
of
feeling
unsafe
in
downtown,
just
because
they
see
folks
that
maybe
make
them
uncomfortable
and
things
do
occur
in
downtown
and
primarily
these
are
nuisance
crimes,
and
so
those
are
things
like
littering
some
trespassing,
so
those
are
primarily
the
crimes
we're
seeing
in
the
downtown
district
and
then
that
kind
of
also
leads
me
to
our
current
local
bond
policy,
so
that
presents
challenges
folks
are
are
not
being
given
a
bond,
they're
being
they're
able
to
be
released.
D
Essentially
so
you
know
if
we
are
arresting
folks
for
nuisance
crimes
or
other
crimes,
they're
being
taken
to
graham
you've
heard
this
before
taking
the
gram
and
then
they're
being
let
out,
we
oftentimes
have
the
responsibility
to
bring
them
back
to
where
they
were
we're
tying
up
officer
time
for,
for
you
know
not
a
lot
of
gain,
they're
not
going
to
be
detained
at
that
point
and
then,
as
you
know,
our
current
panhandling
ordinance
does
present
some
challenges
for
us
and
it's
not
just
us,
it's
everyone,
so
panhandling
the
supreme
court
has
ruled
it
as
free
speech,
and
so
we
are
working
within
a
lot
of
requirements
within
our
state
and
federal
regulations.
D
I
think
in
2018
we
had
a
recodification
of
our
ordinances
and
we
are
undergoing
recodifications
now
and
a
lot
of
those
are
taking
away
the
ability
to
use
these
ordinances
for
a
lot
of
things.
But
we
know
that
the
aggressive
panhandling
ordinance
that
one
does
give
us
a
little
bit
of
leg
room
where
folks
are
witnessing
or
experiencing
aggressive
panhandling.
We
have
a
little
room
to
stand
on
to
talk
to
those
folks
about
that.
D
So
all
that
being
said,
what
our
staff
team
over
many
many
conversations
is
kind
of
coming
to
at
this
point-
is
that
we're?
You
know
you've
heard
everybody
say
this:
we're
not
going
to
rest
our
way
out
of
it,
but
it's
not
something
that
we're
going
to
solve
in
that
manner.
So
what
are
cities
doing?
What
our
communities
doing
so
I'll?
Give
you
kind
of
the
underlying
theme
of
this?
D
What
they're
doing
is
they're
putting
people
in
their
downtown
districts
that
are
uniformed
and
not
uniformed
as
a
police
officer
but
uniformed
in
an
official
way
easily
recognizable
and
are
keeping
an
eye
on
things
essentially,
but
and
they're
doing
that
in
a
way,
that's
useful.
So
when
we
on
this
this
little
graph
here
when
I'm
talking
about
enhanced
services,
so
what
we're
proposing
what
we've
done
is
we've
looked
at
that
a
national
model,
that's
working
called
blah
blah
blah
you've
heard
me
say
that
this
is
proven.
It
does
work
the
communities.
D
I
talk
to
sing
their
praises,
wish
they
had
done
it
a
while
ago.
Their
councils
are
continuing
their
contracts.
Things
of
that
nature,
that's
what
I
heard
from
everybody.
D
So
the
course
of
that
is
kind
of
these
enhanced
services.
Downtown's,
not
unclean
downtown,
just
like
everywhere
else
in
the
city
could
use
extra
umph
right.
We
take
care
of
an
entire
city,
so
there's
an
opportunity
here
to
introduce
some
enhanced
cleaning
landscaping
maintenance
within
the
downtown
district
and
with
that
becomes
an
increased
presence
of
city
staff,
so
that
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
brand
those
folks,
to
you
know,
slap
that
uniform
on
them.
That's
a
downtown
ambassador.
D
That
gives
the
look
and
feel
of
it's,
not
a
uniformed
officer,
but
it's
a
someone
that
looks
official,
there's
also
an
opportunity
here.
I
think
we've
had
a
commitment
from
police
for
a
part-time
person
to
do
similar
to
what
we
all
remember,
steve
black,
doing
walking
around
and
being
that
presence,
and
so
that
is
something
that
we
have
a
commitment
when
we
can
fill
that
position
so
that
visibility
can
really
help
curb
that
perception
or
feeling
of
that
folks
are
having
of
being
unsafe
when
they're
in
the
downtown
district.
D
And
so
you
can't,
I
think
you
have
to
kind
of
think
about
that
intentional
outreach
with
that
too.
So
everyone
keeps
saying
we're
not
solving
the
problem,
we're
treating
the
symptom
if
we're
just
throwing
people
down
there,
cleaning-
and
you
know
doing
things
like
that,
and
so
that
intentional
outreach
is
block
by
block
you'll,
see
I'm
going
to
talk
about
wild
block.
D
They
have
an
outreach
coordinator,
that's
a
licensed
social
worker
as
part
of
their
package,
and
so
what
we've
done
is
looked
at
that
and
that's
part
of
treating
the
problem,
not
just
the
symptom
right.
It's
that
person
making
that
interaction
with
those
individuals
and
continuing
to
connect
them
to
where
they
need
to
be.
D
You
know
like
hey
now
you
were
supposed
to
be
going
to
this
meeting
you,
you
know
just
kind
of
keeping
up
with
them
right
and
then
we
also
have
this
ordinance
review
and
development
when
we
were
talking
to
other
communities
in
research
and
other
communities,
you're,
seeing
folks
look
at
a
camping
ordinance,
essentially,
which
is
you
can't
sleep
on
public
property
parks,
public
right-of-way
and
then
there's
this
other
piece
that
I
think
could
possibly
address
with
ordinances?
D
Is
we
have
our
community
organizations
that
are
very
mission
oriented
and
do
great
things
in
our
community
and
they
come
to
downtown
because
they
know
that
is
where
a
population
is
that
can
receive
those
things,
and
so
what
we're
seeing
is
that's
happening
pretty
regularly
and
those
folks
I
mean
they
have
a
weekly
schedule.
D
I'm
not
sure
that
the
folks
that
are
in
and
around
our
downtown
district
have
to
worry
too
much
about
you
know
where
their
next
snack
or
meal
or
sleeping
bag
or
things
are
going
to
come
from
because
we
do
have
a
community
that
cares
and
the
way
that
some
some
places
are
managing.
That
is
redirecting
that
to
another
place,
that's
not
maybe
in
a
central
public
park.
Right
looking
at
you
know,
is
allied
church
is
the
place
where
you
can
go
disperse
items,
so
you
know.
D
Does
that
require
something
in
an
ordinance
change
of
you
need
a
permit
to
you
know,
disburse
goods
on
a
public
property.
Is
that
a
tool
that
we
can
use
to
kind
of
create
that
so
this
is
kind
of
the
four
fold
here,
so
a
proven
model
so
block
by
blocks.
In
240
communities
across
the
nation
right
now
they
came
and
walked
the
streets
with
peter,
and
I,
when
peter
could
walk
without
crutches
and
looked
at
our
downtown
district
and
talked
to
us
and
provided
us
with
a
price
quote.
D
So
just
this
is
like
really
quick
about
block
by
block,
because
there's
a
lot
to
say
about
it,
but
so
their
contracted
service,
they're,
really
specialized
they're,
a
unique
skill
set.
How
I
keep
explaining
it
is
that
one
of
their
employees
has
the
skill
set
of
a
solid
waste
employee,
a
little
bit
of
a
crisis
counselor
from
the
police
department
and
a
little
bit
of
that
hospitality
blood
that
a
recreation
and
parks
employee
has.
D
They
are
fine-tuned
cleaning,
so
we
roll
in
town
right.
We
get
it
done
these
folks,
they're
focused
on
a
district.
You
know
so
they're
cleaning
inside
of
trash
cans
in
different
ways
and
they're.
You
know
they're
just
approaching
it
differently,
not
that
we
can't
do
that
if
we
have
the
right
staff
and
the
resources
and
the
time
and
they
have
a
flexible
workforce,
so
they
come
in
every
day
and
they
figure
out
like
all
right.
It's
it's
fall.
D
We
have
leaves
now
we've
got
to
deal
with
the
leaves
in
the
downtown
district
or
there's
a
special
event.
We've
got
to
do
something
different
about
that
special
event,
so
they're
flexible
they
track
data
and
give
you
monthly
reports.
Wilmington
read
their
monthly
report
for
june
to
me
and
she
reported
444
interactions
with
75
individuals
for
their
outreach
coordinator.
So
that's
their
licensed
social
worker
they've
gone
from
about
40,
downtown
homeless
individuals
in
the
fall
to
about
70
this
summer,
so
they're
seeing
an
increase
and
so
that
that
is
good
right.
D
They
started
the
outreach
coordinator
in
september,
so,
yes,
they
said
what
catherine
indicated
to
me
was
that
in
the
holo
or
the
tourist
season
they
see
an
increase
typically,
and
then
it
goes
back
down.
Yeah
blah
blah
blah
doesn't
claim
to
solve
the
problem.
D
D
So
here's
the
price
tag
that
right
they
gave
us,
which
is
almost
half
a
million
dollars
for
an
annual
contract,
and
so
we
looked
at
that
and
we
thought
wow.
This
model
seems
to
be
making
some
impacts
in
communities
and
seems
to
be
kind
of
navigating
where
all
of
our
barriers
are
and
still
giving
you.
D
D
D
Those
folks
are
going
to
be
doing
things
in
a
different
way
and
dealing
with
those
spots
and
spills
that
I'm
sure
you're
familiar
with
getting
a
call
that
the
depot's
got
some
spots
and
spills
in
it
that
need
to
be
dealt
with,
and
then
that's
brandon,
those
folks,
so
that
that
everybody
knows
it's
the
city
down
there.
You
know
doing
what
what
we
need
to
be
doing
so
that
increased
presence
with
the
dedicated
downtown
work
group
and
then
that
part-time
police
officer
position
when
it
becomes
available
staffing.
D
D
This
is
complicated
to
figure
out
exactly
how
we're
going
to
move
those
work
groups
around
to
really
get
results
that
we
need,
and
I
think
what
what
I'm
I'm
hoping
to
get
from
y'all
tonight
is.
D
You
know
we
can
chase
down,
leads
on
a
bunch
of
different
ways
and
we
have
been
for
a
while,
but
we're
really
smart
and
when
we
focus
we
can
do
something
really
good.
So
I
think
we're
looking
for
focus
of
where
you
want
us
to
go,
so
we
can
look
at
kind
of
solving
for
that
internal
solution.
D
D
You
know
to
maintain
that,
so
this
will
be
us
moving
or
re-aligning
some
job
responsibilities
within
recreation
and
public
works
between
those
two
departments
to
get
some
more
presents
in
the
downtown
and
then
get
some
folks
back
in
the
parks.
Doing
some
of
those
works.
So
cemetery
and
grounds
could
really
focus
on
downtown.
M
D
D
Q
D
Q
B
The
reality
of
it
is,
we
do
have
resources
that,
and
we
you've
said
it
yourself:
we've
got
a
very
caring
community.
That
is
not
afraid
to
provide
outreach
to
those
that
have
needs
the
problem.
As
I
see
it,
and
I
spend
a
lot
of
time
downtown
kim-
and
I
both
is
that
there
seems
to
be
a
group
that
doesn't
necessarily
want
that
assistance.
D
I
think
there's
a
group
there's
a
group
that
I
think
there's
a
difference
in
receiving
maybe
some
food
items
and
things
like
that
and
I
think.
B
We're
really
trying
to
micro,
define
the
term
nuisance,
but
I've
experienced
it
personally.
So
I
I
don't
mind
saying
I
understand
it.
My
fear
is
that
I
don't
want
to
come
across
as
providing
caretakers
for
those
that
don't
really
want
to
take
assistance.
B
B
And
if
we
need
to
create
ordinances
that
will
allow
us
the
opportunity
to
maneuver
in
a
different
direction,
I
think
working
on
a
cleaner,
downtown
and
a
broader
presence,
I'm
all
for
that,
and
I'm
all
for
just
no
different
than
jamie's
hpc
she's
gonna
have
to
have
help
to
do
that.
If
we're
going
to
make
a
positive
impact
on
downtown
we're
going
to
have
to
have
staffing
and
a
budget
to
do
that.
B
Well,
I'm
talking
about
from
a
from
a
take
your
block
by
block
program.
If
we're,
if
gary's
got
a
team
out
there
and
they're
pressure
washing
and
we're
keeping
downtown
cleaner
at
a
higher
level,
because
we've
got
a
we've,
got
a
nasty
problem,
downtown
it
happens
in
between
buildings.
I
think
everybody
knows
exactly
what
I'm
talking
about
who
who
does
not
think
that's
a
safety
issue.
H
F
B
So
I
am
all
for
spending
whatever
money
we
need
to
spend
to
clean
that
up,
but
if
we've
got
encampments
or
we've
got
people
that
are
leaving
their
belongings
there
and
we're
getting
them
lockers,
I
get
all
that.
I
understand
it,
but
if,
if
if
you
leave
something,
if
you
we've
got
ordinances
that
says,
if
you
leave
a
junk
car
in
your
driveway,
we're
going
to
find
you
we're
going
to
haul
it
off,
don't
we
we
got
ordinances
that
say:
if
you
have
a
couch
on
your
front
porch,
you
can't
do
that.
B
B
B
What
we're
going
to
have
for
years
to
come
is
going
to
be
a
much
worse
situation
and
if
you
know,
cleaning
it
up
and
getting
staff
to
clean
up
downtown
and
work
on
reestablishing,
that
is
a
core
viable
business
district
where
people
are
safe
and
they
want
to
do
commerce.
We've
got
a
lot
of
positive
things
and
I
support
100
of
them,
but
we
we've
got
to
look
at
ordinances
that
will
give
us
the
ability
to
deal
with
those
things
that
we
deem
impediments
to
our
success
for
downtown.
C
M
M
B
If
you
told
me
that
for
480
000
we
can
keep
downtown
looking
spotless
and
it's
beautiful
and
it's
bright
and
it's
ready
to
go,
that's
a
mere
pittance
from
what
it's
going
to
do
for
us
in
the
long
term.
That's
not
that's!
That's
an
investment,
but
to
be
caretakers
of
those
people
that
don't
want
advanced
assistance.
B
B
C
Investing
in
public
facilities
downtown
is
substantial
if
we
want
to
just
take
the
library,
for
example
where
so
many
of
these
issues
are
now
occurring
in
terms
of
just
not
there.
As
you
go
down
down
front
street,
we're
getting
ready
to
invest
into
the
depots,
we're
trying
to
work
and
we've
seen
businesses
now
making
improvements
to
their
facilities.
C
I
don't
know
what
the
answer
is,
but
it's
it's
not
going
to
go
away.
I
just
throwing
your
hands
up
and
say:
well,
you
know
we
talked
about
it.
B
C
Facility
needs
to
be
important
to
to
to
give
people
the
impression
they
want
to
come
downtown
you've
had
a
lot.
C
C
P
A
B
D
Yeah
we've
begun
preliminary
conversations
within
recreation
parks
and
public
works
about
the
workflow,
and
so
that
has
begun,
and
so
that's
we
wanted
to
see
if
we
were
moving
in
the
right
direction
before
we
really
peeled
the
onion
back.
M
D
So
I'm
hearing
that
we
need
to
probably
go
ahead
and
do
that
and
then
we
may
end
up
back
in
front
of
you
at
a
work
session,
but
we've
we
feel
like
we
can
absorb
that
into
our
current
budget,
but
moving
forward
into
the
planning
for
the
next
budget
year.
You
may
see
that
we
come
back
with
some
needs
there.
C
What
do
we
hear
now
from,
I
say,
private
property,
but
I
know
last
summer
there
were
some
some
issues
down
at
first
baptist
church
on
the
front
steps
at
night.
Is
that
something
that
we
see
again
this
year.
D
L
So
what
I
would
tell
you
is
we're
ready
to
actually
start
doing
something
down
there,
and
this
proposal
has
been
in
a
lot
of
places.
The
last
two
months
and
staff's
done
a
great
job
to
morgan's
done
a
good
job
of
pulling
it
down
to
this
we're
still
working
on
stacking
for
it,
but
we,
we
are
pretty
sure
we're
gonna
need
two
and
a
half
positions
ultimately,
but
what
we
need
to
do
is
reorganize
focus.
L
A
group
where
they're,
responsible,
they're,
accountable
downtown
is
theirs,
that's
the
goal,
and-
and
so
that's
a
combination
of
changing
up
some.
What
recreation
is
doing,
what
public
works
is
doing
and
I
think
we'll
be
able
to
define
that
much
better.
I
think
what
we
wanted.
What
I'd
like
to
walk
out
of
here
tonight
with
is
approval
to
move
forward
and
get
this
going.
I
know
gary's
ready
to
get
going
with
the
initial.
M
L
Staff's
ready
to
start
doing
something
so
I'd
like
for
you
to
authorize
those
numbers
for
us.
L
We
may
not,
we
probably
aren't
going
to
need
all
that
two
two
positions
in
a
part-time
position:
okay,
just
so
we
go
ahead
and
get
started
I'll
talk
to
peggy
as
to
how
that
gets
funded.
Ultimately,
but
it's
sort
of
like
what
we
we
did
on
the
other
item.
We
don't
have
it
all
defined
yet,
but
we
need
to
get
moving
on.
I
agree.
F
I
think
that
the
outreach
services
is
could
actually
be
taken
care
of
by
the
personnel
that's
assigned
to
the
area
just
be
in
developing
relationships.
F
When
people
are
there
and
there's
it's
a
presence
that
you
recognize,
I
think
that's
going
to
go
a
long
way
to
alleviating
some
of
it.
Jay
baker
did
say
to
us
at
the
work
session
that
10
of
the
homeless
want
to
be
doing
what
they're
doing
so
it's
if,
if
somebody
finds
somebody
who
needs
resources,
they
can
go
to
acac
and
get
that
they
have
great
they're,
just
amazing
process
for
getting
people
into
their
system
and
and
helping
them
get
services,
but
we're
what
we're
dealing
with
are.
F
L
Right,
I
think
the
outreach.
B
If
we
get
staff
down
there
that
to
kathy's
point,
if
we
get
staff
down
there,
but
they
know
what
resources
are
available,
they
can
provide
some
feedback.
We
can
really
then
start
to
quantify
whether
we
need
a
person
in
that
role
or
whether
it's
just
a
matter
of
providing
a
path
for
someone.
Is
that
kind
of
what
you
meant.
F
They're,
not
scary
people,
I
think,
as
a
community,
we
have
people
who
reach
out
and
bring
food
and
that
sort
of
thing,
but
I
think
everybody
needs
to
realize
these
are
people
just
like
anybody
else
and
they're,
not
they're,
not
criminals,
and
it's
important
for
us
to
understand
that
not
sure
how
you
get
that
out
there.
But
I
think
it's
a
missing
piece
of
this
is
understand
that
these
are
people
and
they
need
really
your
sympathy
as
much
as
anything
else.
D
L
Yeah,
if
you're
authorizing
us
to
proceed
ahead
with
these,
I
would
say
maximum
possible
cost,
find
some
equipment
starting
to
hire
some
people.
I
mean,
I
think,
staff's
ready
to
get
going,
we'll
bring
clarity
to
it
in
a
later
budget
amendment,
if
needed
or
you'll,
see
it
pop
up
in
next
year's
budget
process.
A
So
did
we
take
action
on
yeah?
We
did
every
green
light
to
move
forward.
C
B
B
K
City
council,
my
name
is
steve
boston.
I
live
at
124
foster
street
in
burlington.
It's
about
my
bedtime,
so
I'm
going
to
be
prepared
to
say
that
I
just
wanted
to
come
personally
and
thank
impact
alamance
foundation
for
awarding
us
the
the
grant
to
do
the
garden
at
north
park.
K
As
you
all
will
know
how
dear
to
my
heart,
north
park
is-
and
I
couldn't
we
couldn't-
have
done
all
this
without
each
member
of
this
council-
and
that
includes
nolan
adam
mr
huffman,
my
friend,
I
used
to
look
like
myself
one
day.
I
told
him
that
I
had
a
period
I
haven't
shaved
in
two
years,
but
it's
still
like
this,
but
I
want
to
say
again
thank
you
to
impact
alamance
and
thanks
to
each
member
of
the
council,
I
mean
we
came
a
long
ways
may
have
said
something
about
a
jewel.
K
Well,
north
park
is
a
jewel.
Now
it's
just
like
a
piece
of
coal.
We've
cut,
it
we've
signed
it
and
we
put
it
in
the
parks
and
rex
crown,
along
with
the
other
projects
that
we
have
in
parks
and
rec
toni,
and
you
you've
been
more
than
helpful.
K
K
B
A
Yes,
several
one
I'll
ask
nolan
this:
do
we
still
have
an
ordinance
on
tires
for
businesses
and
stuff
yeah?
Do
we
have
people
checking
on
that.
L
Yeah
we
do
actually
they're
banned
from
the
landfill
you're
not
supposed
to
put
them
out.
But
if
they're
put
out
here,
you
can
correct
me
actually
at
some
point,
collect
them
and
we'll
set
us
a
van
and
they'll
feed.
So
we
we
are
collecting
those.
A
I'm
not
really
talking
about
that
as
much
as
I'm
speaking
about
at
these
tire
centers
with
people
having
tires
out
in
front
of
their
their
workplace.
Okay,
that
was
one
number
two
was,
is.
A
Yeah,
but
I
I
will
talk
to
him,
probably
about
the
two
areas
that
I'm
speaking
about
number
two
was
used
two
years
ago.
We
would
collect
signs
sort
of
like
political
signs,
but
not
political
signs,
advertising
businesses
and
so
forth
and
so
on.
Are
we
still
doing
that?
We're
very.
A
Okay,
number:
three:
I
still
want
to
bring
up
the
topic,
mr
mayor
turf
field,
and
so
we've
had
a
little
bit
of
a
discussion
several
months
ago,
david
and
I
met
at
the
mebbing
city
park,
our
recreation
area
with
the
director
of
recreation
from
the
city
of
melbourne
or
town
of
famine.
So
I
had
a
free
tour
of
that
facility
and
that's
something
I
think
that
the
citizens
of
burlington
would
like
to
see.
I'm
not
sure
everyone
on
city
staff
would
be
on
board
for
it,
but
I
think
it's
something
still.
B
Well,
along
that
lines-
and
I
I
agree-
we've
talked
about
this
and
I
think
you
even
mentioned
after
budget
moving
forward,
he
was
going
to
bring
it
back
up
and
I'm
glad
you
did.
B
But
you
know
if,
if
we're
looking
at
something
that
significant
it's
going
to
it's
going
to
require
some
sort
of
installment
finance
package
or
something
along
those
lines,
and
I
think
we'll
look
and
see
if
there's
a
couple
of
other
areas
and
one
of
the
things
that
that
I've
thought
about
been
aware
of
I've
had
discussions
about
it
is
at
burlington,
athletic
stadium.
B
You
know
the
sock,
puppets
and
anderson
and
ryan
have
done
a
wonderful
job
out
there
and
they're
very
engaged
in
our
community
and
there's
some
programming
opportunities
for
that
facility
beyond
what
we
have
during
baseball
season.
B
And
if
we
want
to
really
talk
about
youth
solutions,
you
know
anything
we
can
do
to
give
our
youth
something
to
be
a
part
of
whether
it's
camp
summer
activities
just
things
that
can
be
done
at
a
ballpark
in
a
facility
like
that
that
we
already
own-
and
we
have
individuals
that
are
that
are
capable
of
running
it.
Anyway,
they
had
the
sock,
puppets,
ryan
and
anderson
had
worked
with
a
contractor
on
there.
There.
B
It
needs
to
be
an
area
that
you
can
cool,
you
can't
cook,
they
have
to
bring
food
in,
and
then
you
know
if
they
had
that
area
where
they
could
provide
some
things
to
the
community
on
a
during
a
camp
or
some
sort
of
week,
week-long
event
that
they
had,
it
would
be
very
beneficial
and
then
it
could
also
duel
to
help
during
ball
season.
If
you
haven't
been
out
there,
they're.
B
They
broke
records
last
year
and
breaking
records
again.
I
think
we
need
to
do
everything
we
can
to
support
that,
but
that
project
along
first
baseline,
that
they
have
sort
of
envisioned
and
done
some
renderings
of.
C
Yeah
and
pickleball
is,
is
some
of
us.
Tennis
was
a
lot
of
people's
sports.
Tennis
is
not
the
greatest
in
some
of
our
bodies
anymore,
but
pickleball
is,
is
the
fastest
growing
sport
of
that
nature
in
the
country?
Now
right-
and
I
know,
we've
done
some
things-
that
we
we've
converted
some
facilities
or
put
them
on
tennis
courts
in
some
areas
which
may
work,
but
the
demand
for
pickleball.
C
M
B
It's
easy
to
do
in
a
small
property
strategic,
so
you
know
how
would
everybody
feel
about
having
david
look
at
saying
all
right?
We
got
these
three
things
that
could
really
enhance
our
community
through
our
recreation
and
parks
program
and
just
see
what
an
installment
package
would
look
like
is
that
is
that
feasible
to
everyone.
C
And
tony
will
tell
you
that
there's
a
he's
been
requested
several
times.
Why
can't
we
look
at
potentially
air
conditioning
fairchild
community
center
because
there's
people
that
want
to
play
pickleball.
E
A
Fairy
tales:
yes,
I've
seen
I've
yeah
I've
seen
that
do
we
have
room
to
do
pickleball
at
the
burlington
tennis
center.
We
have
room
there
well.
C
That
playground
unit
would
have
been
a
perfect
place
to
put
pickleball
courts
that
was
put
out
by
the
behind
the
splash
pad,
so
it
might
be
some
room.
You
could
go
there.
A
So,
okay,
so
is
that
something
david
that
we
can
move
on
you're,
gonna,
study
that
and
then
bring
something
back
in
the
august
meeting,
so
we
can
get
started.
Maybe.
M
L
Anderson
about
the
renderings
he
had
done,
I've
got
some
preliminary
numbers
on
that.
I've
started
looking
up,
pickleball
costs,
but
there's
there
needs
to
be
more
in-depth
work
done
on
it,
but
I
think
we
could
have
use
some
kind
of
proposal
back
within
a
month.
C
E
Last
week
we
hosted
the
national
senior
men
and
women's
softball
championship,
68
teams
from
all
over
the
east
coast
and
the
midwest
we're
here
for
from
wednesday
through
sunday.
And
then
this.
E
Hosting
the
bmx
national
races
and
we'll
be
there'll,
be
2,
000,
riders
on
youth
and
adult,
and
a
lot
of
other
people
that
come
with
them
will
be
here
before
they
start
coming
in
wednesday
and
thursday
practice
on
thursday.
The
competition
is
friday
saturday,
so
lots
of
people
coming
into
town.
C
Okay,
good,
which
goes
back
to
our
continuing
effort
to
consider
about
a
hotel,
motel
tax
that
can
help
invest
in
some
of
these
facilities.
That
will
be
an
economic,
real
boon
for
the
community.
B
All
right,
one
item
remaining
as
many
are
aware:
city
council's
been
engaged
in
a
couple
of
days
now
with
interviews
as
part
of
our
city,
manager's,
hiring
process,
human
resources,
director,
jamie
jordan,
joiner,
coordinated
the
process
they're
all
total
there
were
about
55
applicants,
so
we're
very
pleased
with
that.
We
narrowed
that
down
through
jamie's
efforts
and
some
other
staff
leadership
narrowed
it
down
to
four
finalists
that
were
selected
for
interviews
by
this
council
and
over
the
past
couple
of
days.
B
We've
been
involved
in
interviewing
and
learning
more
about
the
candidates,
their
interest
in
burlington,
and
you
know
just
a
little
bit
about
their
body
of
work.
These
meetings
were
held
on
july
18th
yesterday
and
then
continued
on
july
19th
today
to
enter
the
view.
Those
four
finalists
in
the
city
managers
process
the
hiring
process
that
really
started
around
april.
B
Q
I
really
do
appreciate
the
confidence
of
the
board
and,
and
it's
good
to
be
home.
This
is
where
I
wanted
to
be,
and
the
last
couple
weeks
that
I've
been
here
working
with
staff.
It's
just
been
incredible.
The
collaboration,
the
professionalism
that
you
have
with
the
staff
is
second
to
none,
absolutely
thrilled
to
death
to
be
in
this
role.
A
Q
But
I
I
really
do
appreciate
it
and
and
just
looking
forward-
and
I
want
to
thank
david
and
what
david's
done
as
far
as
the
last
four
months
and
leaving
this
staff
and
working
on
this
board.
Q
We're
going
to
do
some
phenomenal
things
in
the
city
and
I'm
very
humbled
and
proud
and
appreciated
to
be
here.
So
thank.
A
B
The
council
we'd
really
like
to
thank
city
staff
for
and
really
the
council,
because
we
all
had
various
projects
along
the
way
for
for
everyone's
dedication
and
commitment
to
the
process.
It
was
extremely
fluid
and
smooth
and
I'd
like
to
issue
a
special
thank
you
to
hr
director
jamie
joyner.
B
We
chose
to
proceed
without
a
consultant
because
we
felt
like
we
had
the
most
competent
consultant
in
the
house,
and
we,
the
we
couldn't,
have
done
it
without
jamie
and
jamie
did
such
a
wonderful
job
with
her
leadership
and
her
staff,
along
with
david,
cheek
and
nolan.
They
provided
us
the
time
and
the
information
and
the
attention
necessary
to
review
a
large
list
of
candidates,
narrow
that
list
down
to
finalists
and
ultimately
select
craig.
B
So
thanks
to
everyone
for
their
efforts
and
that,
thank
you
anything
else
from
council
at
this
time,
we'll
entertain
a
motion
to
adjourn.
Second.
Second,
all
in
favor
signify.