Burlington, North Carolina City Council Meetings, 19 Jun 2022

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Good evening, everyone this time I'll call the special meeting of the burlington city council to order called and properly noticed pursuant to burlington city code, section 2-18 a for the purpose of considering the appointments to the 2022 advisory boards and commissions. This time we'll call on our city clerk, beverly smith, the code of.

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Of interest, I ask if there are any potential conflicts.

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Our next item is the adoption of the agenda. Is there a motion? Some of it have a.

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A motion, and a second all in favor signify by any opposed our next name is unfinished business. City council will consider reappointments of the 2022 advisory boards and commissions at this time, we'll recognize our public information specialist, john vernon, to assist and help us work through this process. John. Thank you mayor.

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We are here to do the annual appointments to the city's advisory boards commissions. um We've had a lot of wonderful applications and I hope that I've, given you everything you can to make your appointments. I'm here to help. However, I can.

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So everyone should have uh an updated copy and then we had we had. Applicants come in um throughout the last couple of weeks. Three weeks and john had forwarded those to us and then we got an updated list. I'm assuming everybody received that list. So if it would be all right with council, we'll just go through john's list. Is that good with everyone, since we really have no no protocol for in what particular order so.

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Board number one on his list was the abc board had one vacancy and john. I did have a question there. There was a reappointment request from lisa kirkpatrick, but the vacancy was there's still a vacancy. Isn't it.

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Just the one: okay, all right, um that was a clarification point. I wanted to be sure that I had so um that helps us, maybe with moving some folks around. um So the one reappointment request was from lisa kirkpatrick, and that would be the only one.

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How's, everyone feel about the reappointment there.

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I I think, uh I'd like to make a motion that we reinformed that mr patrick.

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Bear harold, let me do you want to just go through and get a slate and do one motion to come.

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Forever, we can do that. We go.

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Through and get on with one time that works, we've got it both ways, but.

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Agreeable I'd suggest that.

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Okay, so is everybody in agreement to put lisa on that list, we'll move to the next one yeah? Okay? Next one is the burlington housing authority. It has one vacancy and there is a request, patrick mills, for reappointment. There agreed everybody agree with that. Yes,.

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Okay, I think we can keep up this fast.

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Good so far, yeah.

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um Next one is a community police advisory team. Our cpat has eight vacancies, so there's quite a bit there and I think that's largely from the way we staggered everything when we launched the committee is that right, john and.

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There was- and there was some resignation throughout.

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Last year, okay, gotcha.

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I know we were successful in getting a representative from the.

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A youth representative is that right and who is that.

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That's uh nevaeh white.

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Okay, so, and that position's.

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We've never had one anyone else, yeah yeah, so if everyone's all right with that one, I know kathy tried to help us find someone to. I tried.

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To find one as well, michael trollinger was another one that I recruited.

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So, mr mayor, if we do the uh reappointment to ms watlington that gives us three of the eight is that correct.

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She did not ask for reappointment.

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I don't think she asked for reappointment. She asked that one of the ones you just gave us had her applying for three different. She wanted both she applied for the original one, and then she sent in a new application.

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For all the other boards of commissions as well yeah, I took it that she wanted cpap, but if she didn't get cpat, she would take another. I didn't get clarification from her. I just know that she.

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She's very active, so she is, I was surprised.

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Yeah, I think she really wants to stay home.

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Would be uh nevada, white, michael trollinger and rose white linton's that beat three is? Did I miss one? Oh, that.

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Joshua lopez, that's that's a real one.

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Okay, I see that yeah.

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Prudence lane had.

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About rosencrann.

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Was that rosencran.

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Number two on the list: okay,.

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Cathy, did you say, prudence lane.

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But the charter indicates that it doesn't have to it's. I think it was 15 to 20.. um So just so you know the charter doesn't indicate that every spot has to be filled.

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So if we get, we get these eight, you know we we're gonna, be good. So.

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The eight would give us 20. if you get the.

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Eight, it will give you the max yes, but the charter does say.

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So we could stop at five if we so desired. That's right.

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The missile this is the the ones who deals with this commission. The way the charter is set up and specifically designated positions for not really districts of the city, but various type of populations. How's that worked out.

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Original appointment, when you guys went through that process with us, um was.

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Conversation to get you know all of that, and they keep track of it. It's quite a matrix to think about the patrol districts. They live in the criteria they meet and I can't remember the other indicator that we had to meet. So it's been a challenge to meet all the criteria.

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As far as how I haven't been in the meetings to know how that's particularly working out but appointing the board, is it can be challenging to meet them all so.

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Correct me, if I'm wrong, this is the only board that we have that. Well, maybe there's some others, but we really establish certain criteria based on certain, whether it's demographic, what demographics or whatever, is that correct? This is the.

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Only one that has a charter that states that the ordinance and the other one did not specify they do specify that they they could have qualifications. They would be like that for the store district, you would have people that have qualifications, but.

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That's not even.

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That's just a suggestion.

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My question is, you know not, you know indicated change the charter, but is, is that practical going forward I mean is that is that working out where we can meet those requests of the charter in terms of the applicants we normally have for this commission.

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I I think I was getting a question and I talked to john briefly about it and I had a thought about it. In other words, you know it would, while it would be preferred to fill these different categories, but in the event that we do not receive applications that we'll just pull from the pool that we have. You know to complete. You know the cpap board. You know I mean really if we can't find somebody- and somebody applies for it and they're really interested. I think it'd be good to consider them.

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So I don't know that we may at some point we may want to change the charter to say that, but you know, but you raise a good point. Harold is that you know do we have to have to are we bound by these categories and I think we need to build in a little flexibility in that charter, just to say in the event that applications are not received, the city council, you know, can consider those that that apply. You know to serve on the cpap, something along those lines.

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So what do you think john morgan y'all dealt with it? I mean filling these slots is hard to do it. It.

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Is difficult I would refer to brian, I mean.

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Yeah, it does bring value, but it is sometimes all it's also hard to meet all the criteria. So in that thing I kind of agree that ensuring that we have enough people to contribute um that flexibility would be good. I.

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Just share that probably the last three meetings we've had the company's really taken alternate policy review. They had. um They were working on some projects that weren't coming to fruition and uh at my request, and that particular request, we really have just started feeding them policies as we write them and get their feedback, and that seems to be going very well.

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So that's just a little bit of an update.

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Over the years commissions that don't have enough business, they lose interest. That's right! So.

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So how does that impact us here? What we've got tonight then help us come on john.

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You've got six you're appointed uh and there are three remaining seats I mean I can't remember. Are we looking for a fake person.

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A justice practitioner asian american and then the youth criteria for the ones that we were seeking. Currently we did not get applicants that met the justice practitioner.

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I tried yeah several retired judges and did not get a bite, so I think that speaks to the.

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Point where, when you look, you know, when you look to fill the the seats and you've got interested parties and you're struggling to find that specific criteria, it does become a challenge. I know you guys are doing it too or you're reaching out to specific populations, and we are too and we're choosing advertising based on the needs that we need and it still can be challenging.

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So if we can't, if we can't fill those seats by the way the charter is written, my question is: do we have the opportunity, if there's other applicants, to go ahead and appoint them to these seats?.

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Let me take a look back if we need to well if we left an experiment right from the very beginning, so if it needs to be modified or changed if.

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We leave a couple of seats open. The answer would be yes, because then, if we had an applicant that filled one of those positions, we could plug them in yeah.

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Probably be wise to leave two open seasons.

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So, based on what I'm looking at, we would have two open seats right now. Is that right, which one are we doing? Okay,.

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We don't believe you still see.

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Do we have on all this dude we've got white as the youth representative, michael trollinger, rose, wadlington, joshua, lopez, dorothea, rosencrans and prudence lane. Is that right? That's what I have okay at least two spots. So if we had candidates that met the criteria of the charter, we could slide them into those other two spots.

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Notice we had a lot of county people wanting to be on the boards and commissions this time.

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Well, one of the things that we I did is reached out to them that we have dual appointments. You guys have any extras that are residents of the city of burlington. I said: please send them to us so another they sent one or two.

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So that takes care of uh c packs, everybody.

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So next is uh historic: preservation. Commission we've got two vacancies there mike.

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Williams, being one.

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Mike would be, uh he would probably I think he would serve on that. Yes, yeah, okay,.

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I didn't say that.

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How does everyone feel about the reappointment, or would we there's there's going to be a lot of changes with hpc moving forward anyway with the new standards? um Obviously, that's going to be a.

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A bear for any commission.

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It's tough for me, I'm not there! Yet.

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We don't have to do two if we don't want to. Is that correct.

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I think if we don't the contin they serve in continuum. I believe.

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Served to the successors appointed yeah.

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It's a it's a 7 to 9 board. I think part of the hpc standards are to change that, but I'm not sure what that was changing into that decision.

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So you might want to why don't we current numbers.

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That would be a great idea: okay,.

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This whole thing's changing.

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What was that now just sort of stand? Pat, yes,.

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Def, let the existing uh board stay intact until the standards are all done, because.

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I think that's excellent yeah.

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Yeah so we'll remove that one at this time.

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And david that that basically comes up in the second meeting in august, is it not.

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So technically then it.

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In september,.

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There's only one meeting and not.

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Because there isn't a second reappointment, what so, what.

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Not doing anything until because the the the well the truck the charter is going to change with the standards, I think is that correct that.

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We change proposing to go up to nine, but we've kept it at seven. So there are occurrences.

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But that is but it's still going to be a discussion point we've not voted.

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The decision is made by y'all.

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Correct turn around.

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After the public hearing today and to.

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See whether or not we're.

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Going to take it to know that leave it where it's at.

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We missed something man.

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I think mr huffman was standing up so he could sing. I don't.

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Think that's the case. I don't think we missed anything um all right, so we'll defer that one until september after the after the public hearing and see where we go with the standards in general next item is the library committee there's one vacancy there.

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Would be just a second term.

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Members are how many members are on that board kathy sure.

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We're good I'm looking to see if I had a note on that. One.

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Yeah, I was, I don't know why I had a note that there might be another interest.

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Yeah I've got there was, I think we had four five, but is that the only thing that logan requested?

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I don't know why I was thinking it was another item.

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um What's everyone's thoughts on that.

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With a library yep, I'm fine with logan um cathy said everybody.

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Good with that yeah I'm good, I I do feel a little bad about asking the county to send us an applicant and they sent one for library.

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But I understand.

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Right but you know we're scrambling to get some, so I get it.

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And I read an article racially: this is not just us. This is.

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Not very well that's a fact, um so that's the only one in that category is that right, john.

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So p and z, there are two vacancies in p and z. um I would.

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Richard parker, the reappointment right and I'd vote for or I'd ask charles beasley agreed.

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Going to put charles beasley on planet zoning, yes,.

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One thing I have to say about richard parker and charles beazley is they've, got pretty good council attendance too. They know. What's going on.

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Is everybody good with that.

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Living in the city.

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He's conducted himself on other another board.

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Who are we talking about.

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He was on he's on the board of adjustments.

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Of adjustments now.

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Did his term expire.

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He was an alternate, maybe.

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He is a full member.

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Well, I certainly don't have any issues with him. Mr huffman, charles beasley, is currently an alternate for the boa. That's what I thought. Yeah.

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Is that the only word expressed in the interest in is b and d? What was it another job? You would listen here if you've been able to guess.

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Something who could be reappointed.

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Say that again, brian kirk is a re-appointment.

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You know I've met him a couple times he's young he's got uh he's a professional person. Also, an entrepreneur he's, uh I think, has interest in the city may not be what everybody agrees with, but um I believe on pnz you you've got to have people who really want to be on it. That's a tough one.

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I just think it would be better to appoint somebody. That's not.

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Let's just the vote on it.

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That's what I'll get.

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Right to say, let's just see where everybody stands, is that fair yeah.

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You want to pull it off and do it again, then you know, or do you want to just take a boat now.

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Let's just take a vote now all right and we'll continue our slave, so those that would be in favor of charles beasley, as uh are for the full board richard parker's reappointment in charles beasley, as the second appointment signified by I. uh Those opposed no okay so guys have that.

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Next is recreation and parks. Commission, there are two vacancies there: two reappointments.

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Any problems with those I'm not sure how bad.

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John has served as chairman. I believe that.

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John had served.

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As chairman one time did he not john.

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Maynard yeah.

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Yes, he did and.

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And james reid has been on previously too. Is he not yes,.

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And he's our incoming chair he's um chair our leg, so okay sounds good.

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They're very good with that.

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So it was maynard and uh reed. Is that what we.

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Said: okay, both reappointments okay next is uh tree and appearance. Commission there are two vacancies there. One reappointment liz. Wales is everybody good with the reappointment? Yes good.

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Meredith smith.

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Merida smith requested uh and meredith, I don't know, meredith well, she is a neighbor of mine. I know she's asked she's wanting to get involved. She was a applicant for uh she requested several boards. I think she just wants to get involved. I'd love to see her included in something.

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It's good to see somebody who wants to be involved.

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Yep is everybody good with that.

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Wills and smith, wells and smith.

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And then last is uh traffic commission there are two vacancies. There's no reappointments there is that right, john.

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um I know ryan spattachini's in an application. I've had opportunity to work around on several things out at mcintosh at the lake. I know, nolan's worked with him, he's very involved out there. He seems to be uh engaged. I know he actually sent tony an email about the ned at the uh berlin athletic stadium. Yes, he did um so.

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I don't. I would like to see ryan if, if he wants to serve on that, I think he'd be a good one.

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What about the second appointment, then wood, jeffries.

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I don't know any of the others. I.

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Don't either do you know linwood it's sort of coincidental? Well, maybe not, coincidentally, but his grandfather, walter penick, served on the traffic commission. I think he wants to sort of carry on a family tradition. I.

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Did read that yeah? I did read that.

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He's did he serve on something at one point in time.

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I don't know it sounds familiar, but I couldn't connect the dots on whether he did or not. But you.

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It sounded like you sound, like you, you'd really be interested in.

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Doing it yeah, okay,.

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Okay, so that would be ryan spatuccini and lynnwood jeffries. Is everybody good with that good job.

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Three consecutive terms, so she has to go on and where is.

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Recreational heart.

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Tony, we was doing good until you brought that up. Sorry.

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Do you know any any of these people? I don't know.

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Has to on billy johnson matt myers billy johnson meredith smith, we've already used her to put meredith on tree in appearance.

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Probably that one it's hard to say I don't I don't know it wouldn't be fair for me to say.

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Recreation apart, were we yeah by billy johnson.

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Recall the details of his application. I.

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Think he's the one that coached some yeah.

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Yeah right, I had him highlighted this. I did too yeah. I agree.

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Mention something maybe let's get y'all's opinion is: do we when these applications come in and anyone makes a um a request to serve on a commission. Is that application shared with the department head of that commission or the various commission.

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I mean: is that even a consideration here going forward, I mean it's, they might know them frankly a lot of times we. This is uh all these people, we don't know application, but uh if they have a if they have a preference. I wonder if they'd be good, to be able to contact that department here to make sure that's exactly what you know. They know what they're asking for.

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Board advisors in that communication.

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I just believe that that advisor to that board I'd be a good person for them to have some conversation with to make sure you know this is.

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Be a good idea: you have them review the people who applied well.

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For what they need well,.

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Just be able to explain what board does to what the board does, what their roles are.

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I'm looking for that uh application, mod.

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Yeah I got it, you got it yeah. I got my flag here.

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Says he's been a recreational coach with burlington for a number of years and several children they've routinely frequent many of the facilities.

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But because yeah that's what I got right there yeah it's.

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He works at gtcc and is a mentor with incoming graduates.

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He works with gtcc on their graduates that are coming into his company as a mentor name.

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The fact that you don't know it in a bad way- it's probably not that's a good thing. Okay, that's how we met people, you've never been kicked out of ball game or anything.

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To be a good coach.

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That's where I was going with that tummy.

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So that's the one.

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Mate billy johnson.

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Yeah, so that would leave us with john maynard james reed and billy johnson.

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Is that it john okay seems like we're missing one, but I guess maybe not.

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Commission, so that was one day.

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Okay, okay, gotcha!

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So if we go down through these uh abc board, the consensus was lisa kirkpatrick burlington housing authority, it was patrick mills, cpat was nevada. White michael trollinger rose, watlington, joshua lopez, dorothea rosencrans and prudence lane historic preservation, we're going to postpone until the hpc standards public hearing a library committee is the reappointment with logan savage dnz was by council boat, richard parker and charles beasley recreation and parks. John maynard james, reed and billy johnson tree and appearance liz whale and meredith smith.

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Traffic commission would be ryan spatuccini and runway jeffries.

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Is that what everybody has yep? Okay? So that's the slate to fill our boards and commissions, with the exception of historic preservation? Is there a motion to accept that asleep motion to accept? Is there a second second? I have a motion and a second all in favor signify by I. I any opposed all right. So that's our slave. Does that get us all good all right! So that's all we have on uh the agenda for for this special uh meeting.

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Is there a motion to adjourn so move all in favor signify by uh all right, we're jeremy.

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John morgan, thank you.

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Yes, and thanks for keeping us up to speed on all the other applications that kept coming in.

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