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B
Okay,
I
call
this
meeting
to
order
good
evening,
I'd
like
to
welcome
everybody
to
the
june
27
2022
meeting
of
the
burlington
planning
and
zoning
commission.
My
name
is
richard
parker,
I'm
the
chairman
of
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
due
to
renovations
at
the
city
hall
chambers.
This
meeting
will
be
held
on
the
zoom
platform.
B
If
anyone
has
any
technical
difficulties,
please
contact
conrad
he's
there
on
your
screen
and
his
phone
number
is
336.
two
one,
four,
forty
five
fifteen
now
since
we're
on
a
zoom
meeting.
If
you
wish
to
speak
on
any
matter
that
comes
before
the
board,
please
use
the
raised
hand
feature
on
the
zoom
platform
or
you
can
press
star
9
if
you're
on
a
telephone.
B
B
B
B
B
One
two:
three:
four:
five:
six
and
myself
make
seven.
So
there's
seven
of
us
here
tonight
our
staff
conrado
meadow
here
and
jamie
lawson.
D
C
C
B
So
to
reiterate
for
the
items
tonight,
the
public
will
be
given
three
minutes
to
express
their
opinions
of
the
matter
being
presented,
and
we
ask
the
the
audience,
please
not
to
repeat
comments,
and
we
want
to
hear
from
everybody
if
they
have
a
comment
about
the
the
matter
at
hand,
but
we
don't
neces,
we
don't
need
everybody
to
say.
Oh,
I
don't
like
it.
I
don't
like
it.
I
don't
like
it.
You
know
if,
if
someone
makes
the
point
that
they
don't
like
it
for
some
reason,
then
we've
heard
the
reason.
B
B
E
Well,
pretty
straightforward:
we
want
to
rezone
this
to
allow
for
some
town
homes
at
the
corner
park,
so
here
we're
going
to
lead
the
existing
structure.
That's
there,
a
single-family
home
leave
that
there
and
take
the
remaining
space
to
to
develop
some
townhomes,
some
smaller
units
that
are
a
little
more
affordable.
These
days.
B
E
I
mean
we're
water
sewers
going
to
be
provided
by
the
city
of
burlington,
so
we'll
provide
the
minimum
parking
requirements
we'll
meet.
All
those
will
meet
the
requirements
that
will
be
placed
on
the
site
for
driveways
setbacks.
Landscaping
if
needed,
pretty
much
it.
Okay,.
B
So
I'd
like
to
ask
the
commissioners
now
if
they
have
any
comments
or
questions
about.
B
E
E
I
don't
know
if
conrad,
if
you're
able
to
pull
that
up,
I'm
on
my
phone
right
now.
So
I
apologize
you.
F
F
So
the
the
site
plan,
the
constant
plan
will
come
forth
after
the
review
of
this
rezoning
request.
F
Okay,
just
in
in
order
to
be
consistent
with
one
and
the
applicants
provided
us
with
some
concept
plans,
but
just
for
consistency
with
the
limit
to
use
for
zoning's
request
for
us
to
just
focus
on
the
on
the
rezoning
request,
as
presented,
which
is
just
yeah.
Thank
you.
G
A
couple
questions:
first,
you
mentioned
there
is
a
house
on
the
northwest
corner
of
this
lot.
G
To
be
divided
into
multiple
parcels
for
the
townhomes.
E
G
E
No,
that
will
be
subdivided
and
and
remain
separate.
G
Okay,
second:
question:
have
you
engaged
any
of
the
the
immediate
neighbors
of
single-family
homes
in
particular,
and
if
they
had
any
feedback
on
this.
G
C
C
H
I
I
have
a
question:
the
single
family
house-
I
I
don't
quite
understand
this
isn't
occupied
or
it's
empty
and
you
are
going
to
turn
this
into
multi-family
on
the
same
lot.
E
The
owner,
I
believe,
of
the
site,
should
be
on
this
call.
His
name
is
pedro
rodriguez.
He
can
speak
to
if
the
single
family
home
is
occupied
or
not
at
this
time,
but
the
plan
is
to
keep
it,
keep
keep
it
and
have
it
occupied,
and
it
will
be
its
own
separate
parcel.
F
Is
he
calling
in
okay
there's
a
four
three
zero
number
I'm
gonna
just
see
if
they
can,
I'm
gonna
ask
them
to
speak.
J
B
So
I've
got
a
question
about
this
single
family
home.
Will
there
be
enough
land
for
the
thing?
What
is
the
zoning
there
right
now
I
mean
how
much
land
would
they
need
conrad
to
maintain
that
single
family
home
on
a
separate
lot.
F
F
B
F
G
I
do
have
one
more
question,
so
I've
raised
concerns
in
the
past
about
creating
donut,
isolated
zoning,
and
so
now
I'm
looking
at
the
two
parcels
immediately
to
the
south
that
are
still
listed
general
business.
I
didn't
get
a
chance
to
drive
down
this
road.
One
of
them
has
a
structure
on
it.
G
It
looks
like
from
the
aerial
picture
immediately
to
the
south
on
the
the
whitsett
street.
Is
that
a
house
or
is
that
a
business.
G
F
Yes,
that
is
correct,
so
general
business
no
longer
allows
single
family
detached
homes,
so
that
would
that
would
be
a
non-conforming
single-family
residence.
There.
G
Okay
and
then
the
other
general
business
one
which
faces
onto
stoke
street
that
looks
like
a
vacant
parcel
that's
adjoining
to
the
south
yeah.
This
looks
vacant
okay,
so
those
would
have
to
be
addressed
separately.
So
I
mean
my
concern
would
be
to
isolate
the
businesses
by
surrounding
them
with
residences.
But
that's
not
the
case
here.
So
just
wanted
to
confirm
that
observation.
A
Thanks,
if
you
look
at
the
lots
on
stoke
street
three
four
of
the
ones
on
stoke
street,
the
corner
one
and
the
three
adjacent
to
the
west,
I
believe
it's.
The
west
of
the
vacant
lot
are
all
zoned
high
density,
residential.
B
Now
conrad
ar
are
you
trying
to
find
if
anyone
else
has
would
like
to
speak
tonight,
any
anybody
in
the
public
have
you
figured
out
anybody
in
the
public
that
would
like
to
raise
their
hand
or
speak
or
anything
sure.
F
Let
me
and
chair
parker
and
members
of
the
commission
staff
hasn't
received
any
written
comments
regarding
this
request
up
in
to
the
meeting,
and
if
anyone
in
the
audience
would
like
to
speak
on
this
item,
please
do
so
by
indicating,
when
using
the
raise
hand,
feature
or
pushing
pushing
star
9
on
your
phone.
F
B
Right
I'll
turn
to
you,
then
again:
what
is
your
recommendation?
Jamie
and
conrad.
D
Good
evening,
so
stack
is
recommending.
The
rezoning
request
that
is
at
is,
as
it
is,
consistent
with
the
land
use
plan
which
calls
for
the
area
to
be
traditional
residential,
and
so
it's
provided
in
your
land
use
plan
consistency,
statement
sheet
option
one
and
the
rezoning
then
also
brings
that
existing
home
into
conformity
where,
as
mentioned,
the
existing
general
business
does
not
allow
for
single
family
a
detached
homes.
C
Chair
parker,
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
recommend
approval
of
the
request
to
rezone
property
zone
general
business
to
be
rezoned
to
high
density
residential,
limited
use,
hdr
dash,
elu,
the
property
is
located
in
the
southwest
corner
of
cleveland
avenue
and
which
is
treated
addressed
as
310
cleveland
and
consisting
of
alamax
county
tax
identification
number
one,
three,
three,
eight,
three:
nine.
C
The
motion
is
based
upon
the
consistency
of
the
proposed
rezoning
with
comprehensive
plan
in
that
the
future
land
use
map
and
section
for
land
use
of
the
comprehensive
plan
calls
for
this
area
to
have
traditional
residential
uses.
The
request
is
compatible
with
the
adjacent
residential
uses.
The
action
is
reasonable
and
in
the
public
interest,
in
that
the
comprehensive
plan
calls
for
residential
uses
in
the
area.
The
request
is
compatible
with
existing
zoning
and
land
uses
in
the
area.
B
Okay,
jamie:
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second
conrad.
Could
you
call
for
a
vote.
F
K
F
All
all
votes
are
our
counterforce
and
no
or
in
approval.
B
B
B
L
K
Chair
parker,
I
just
wanted
to
disclose
that
I
live
within
the
vicinity
of,
but
not
the
notification
area
of
the
rezoning
case
and
I
do
not
have
any
direct,
substantial
or
readily
identifiable
financial
impact
on
this
item.
Therefore,
I
have
no
conflict
of
interest
and
I'm
comfortable
hearing
this
item.
B
You
does
everybody
approve
of
mr
raynor's
explanation.
Let's
see
some
nodding
heads,
okay,
james
all
right!
Thank
you,
mr
rainer.
F
F
Yeah,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
commissioner
kirk.
So
staff
has
received
all
the
emails
that
were
sent
to
myself,
which
would
be
staff
have
been
as
well
as
jamie
who
afforded
me.
The
emails
have
been
provided
to
you.
I
compiled
several
of
them
at
noon.
That
was
a
cut
off
date.
That
was
just
a
cut
off
time.
F
To
give
you
all
just
one
big
email
and
then
two,
I
believe
two
emails
came
in
after
that
time,
up
until
five
o'clock
and
those
were
afforded
to
you
as
direct
emails,
so
you've
received
all
the
emails
that
have
been
provided
to
staff
up
to
five
o'clock.
As
of
today.
B
Okay,
thanks
for
all
your
work
on
that
conrad
well,
thank
you
appreciate
it.
I
got
through
all
of
them.
I
hope
everyone
got
to
read
most
of
them
and
get
the.
F
D
There's
also
chair,
parker,
there's
also
someone
with
their
hand
raised
it's
a
amanda
palmer,
I'm
not
sure
if
she
is
associated
with
the
application
or
not
so
you
may
want
to
just
see
if
she's
looking
to
be
admitted
as
well.
Well,.
B
Let's
start
with
mr
wall,
mr
wall,
do
you
know
the
person
that
has
their
hands
raised?
Are
they?
I
think
I
don't
think
so.
Chair,
parker,
okay!
B
I
Well,
thank
you,
sir.
I
appreciate
that
chair
parker,
it's
nice
to
be
promoted
to
a
panelist
and
we've
got
a
lot
of
people
here
and
I'm
sure
they're
anxious
to
speak
I'll.
Try
to
be
brief,
but
it
is.
I
do
thank
you
for
letting
me
allowing
me
the
opportunity
to
present
this
application
on
behalf
of
the
owner
and
thank
the
board
for,
and
the
staff,
especially
for
their
assistance
in
their
thorough
report
recommending
approval
if
there
seems
to
be
amongst
the
board
members
a
sense
of
deja
vu.
You
are
correct.
I
Four
months
ago,
the
end
of
february,
we
had
a
similar
application,
which,
I
would
say
remind
the
board,
was
unanimously
approved
five
to
zero
on
that
night.
That
was,
though,
a
conventional
rezoning
request,
not
a
limited
use.
Rezoning
as
this
one
is
with
the
conventional.
There
were
close
to
100
possible
uses
that
could
be
allowed
under
the
rezoning
request.
I
I
It's
included
in
the
ordinance,
but
I
think
there
are
32
different
uses.
Four
of
those
were
later
eliminated
numbers
two
three
and
four
and
number
21.,
so
just
just
to
make
clear
that
that
we're
in
the
the
28
that
we
do
still
include
of
those
32,
those
were
the
items
that
were
sent
to
the
are
included
with
the
letter
about
the
neighborhood
information
meeting.
I
The
reason
we
as
staff
report-
I
noticed
mentioned
this
previous
city
council
meeting
and
as
a
result
of
that
city
council
meeting,
we
did
rework
the
application
to
go
back
and
limit
the
number
of
uses
that
would
be
allowed
in
this
rezoning
request,
and
so
now
we're
back
at
planning
and
training.
I'm
not
sure
in
conrad
you'd
have
to
tell
me
if
chad
huffine,
our
engineer
is
present
and
listening
and
or
jeff
smith
real
estate
agent
are
here,
but
I
will
certainly
be
happy
for
them
to
make
any
comments.
I
Mr
chairman,
because
they've
been
involved
in
this
process,
as
have
I
briefly
as
staff
says
in
the
report,
the
future
land
use
plan
calls
for
this
tract
and
the
area
surrounding
to
be
business
park
or
light.
Industrial,
thus,
our
request
is
consistent
with
the
future
land
use
plan
and
complements
existing
uses
in
the
surrounding
area.
I
But
I
think
some
of
the
I've
had
a
chance
to
look
at
some
of
those
letters
that
conrad
received
city
received
on
this
proposal
and
received
those
today,
and
I
think
you're
going
to
find
that
those
probably
are
letters.
A
lot
of
those
folks
were
at
that
meeting
we
had
about
15
folks,
I
think
who
who
came
to
the
meeting.
I
Last
thursday,
we
sent
out
letters
to
approximately
50
folks,
far
exceeding
the
scope
that
the
city
rules
suggest
and
require,
because
we
wanted
to
get
as
much
input
as
we
could,
including
lake
lake
macintosh
folks,
which
are
frankly
a
good
far.
A
good
bit
down
the
road
from
where
this
this
particular
track
is
located.
I
I
I
would
note
that
your
packets
contain,
as
I
mentioned
before,
a
copy
of
the
january
letter
and
report
and,
of
course,
as
I
mentioned,
I
have
not
had
a
chance
yet
to
prepare
a
report
on
our
meeting
from
just
late
last
week,
but
we
would
certainly
do
that
in
due
course,
regardless
of
the
the
results
of
this
meeting
before
we
take
the
city,
and
while
this
is
a
public
hearing-
and
I
know,
you've
got
a
lot
of
folks
who
want
to
speak
and
I'm
sure
most
of
them
won't
speak
against
it.
I
I
would
encourage
the
board
as
best
they
can
under
these
the
meeting
circumstances
and
the
time
allowed
to
to
weigh
the
comments
of
those
folks
with
the
proximity
of
their
property,
to
the
parcel
that's
being
requested.
As
as-
and
I
think,
as
the
the
staff
has
said
in
their
report
this
time
and
a
few
months
ago,
that,
of
course
any
future
development
of
this
property
would
of
course,
require
trc
and
further
staff
review
at
the
appropriate
stage
regarding
the
configuration
of
the
of
the
project,
entryways
lighting,
signage,
etc.
I
C
I
C
Sir,
the
number
one
we
have
have
you
come
out
and
said:
what's
what
I
mean
I
realize
you've
limited
the
use,
and
maybe
we
can't
ask
this
and
maybe
conrad
might
want
to
chime
in
here.
I
don't
know
what
the
intention
is
with
the
property
which
would
go
to
my
next
question.
Has
there
been
pardon
me
conrad.
C
Depending
upon
what
you
put
there,
have
you
have
you
done
a
traffic
impact
analysis.
C
Let
me
ask
you
this:
how
many
of
the
50-
let's
just
say,
there's
50
people
on
this
phone
call,
how
many
of
them
are
going
to
list
traffic
as
their
top
three
issues
with
with
this
proposed
development.
I
Yeah
traffic
traffic
was
was
definitely
a
concern
expressed
by
the
folks
who
appeared
at
the
neighborhood
meeting
and
I'm
sure
from
the
ones,
and
I
haven't
read
every
line
of
every
of
the
letters
that
y'all
have.
But
I'm
sure
that
was
a
concern
expressed
in
any
of
those
letters
as
well.
C
So
if
traffic
is
the
number
one
issue,
are
you
going
to
do
a
traffic
impact
analysis
or
is
the
city
going
to
ask
you
to
do
one.
H
C
L
H
I
M
I
Far
as
what
can
be
put
on
there,
I
don't
think
there's
any
real
secret.
It
was.
It
was
mentioned
a
few
months
ago
what
our
primary
goal
for
this
property
was.
That's
not
the
only
possible
use,
there's
other
these
other
uses
too,
but
but
it
is,
I
think
in
conrad
would
say,
as
he
said
before,
that
the
the
the
consideration
as
far
as
the
rezoning
is
not
tied
to
one
particularly
used,
but
to
all
those
that
have
been
listed
as
possible.
I
And
chad,
I
would
say
if
chad
is
here
and
online,
I
would
certainly
ask
him
to
chime
in
if
he
wants
to
add
anything
into
the
the
traffic.
But.
F
F
G
F
B
All
right
before
we
hear
from
any
and
the
public
do
any
other
commissioners
have
a
question
for
the
applicant.
B
Okay,
mr
chairman,
go
ahead.
A
Mr
roman,
in
one
of
the
letters,
notes
that
they're
approximately
2
000
homes
in
macintosh
on
the
lake
is
that
accurate.
I
F
F
The
the
green
this
bright,
green
color
shows
developed
parcels.
This
lighter
green
shows
the
partials
that
are
being
developed
and
the
yellow
shows
undeveloped
land
and
what
you
can
see
here,
I'm
going
to
zoom
in
I'll.
Do
a
marquee
zoom,
because
it
has
some
good
information.
There
is
the
development
status
of
macintosh
and
the
lake
in
this
area
is
1614,
total
lots
approved
and
proposed.
F
So
this
gives
you
some
of
that
data
that
information
now
we
do
have
other,
and
on
that
on
that
note,
I
want
to
kind
of
supplement
what
you
know.
Someone
might
probably
think
about
that
2
000
unit
number,
you
do
have
some
town
homes
that
are
being
reviewed
currently
by
staff.
We
have
not
issued
an
approval.
That's
about
214
town
homes
and
council
approved
a
planned
development
rezoning
request
at
their
meeting.
F
Was
it
last
tuesday
for
252
homes,
so
this
this
kind
of
and
you
have
some
additional
approved
town
homes
and
units,
so
you
do
have
a
number
that's
kind
of
close
to
that
overall
number
that
is
is
mentioned.
You've
got
it.
You've
got
a,
I
don't
know,
I
don't
want
to
quote
exactly
2
000,
but
you're
you're,
looking
at
least
sixteen
hundred
to
fourteen
plus
some
additional
units
that
might
be
that
are
scheduled
for
development
and
from
town
homes
that
are
also
scheduled
for
development
as
well.
F
There's
I
don't
see
our
transportation
engineer,
and
I
know
that
we
can.
We
can
talk
about
transportation
until
the
to
the
cows
come
home,
but
overall,
I'm
gonna
be
reiterating
what
nolan
kirkman
our
assistant
st
manager
has
talked
about
this.
This
is
one
of
the
the
entry
ingress
egresses
of
the
of
the
community
as
well
as
out
through
this
area.
Right
here
I
forget
the
name
of
the
history.
This
is
england.
N
F
And
then
there
has
been
some
discussion
this,
the
this
recent
development
has
given.
I
think
it's
300
000,
don't
quote
me
on
that
200
or
300
000
dollars
for
infrastructure
improvements
for
transportation
connectivity
not
slated
yet
that
that
money's
not
earmarked
for
any
particular
project.
But
it's
going
to
help
address
any
transportation
discussion,
so
300
000.,
it
looks
like
I
got
a
number
and
then
this
grease
and
lane
as
well
is
possible.
F
There
are
some
considerations
for
extending
grease
and
lane
to
connect
to
huffman
mill,
that's
kind
of
the
extent
of
what
I'm
aware
of
as
far
as
transportation
connectivity,
and
I
did
get
a
revision
to
this
number
of
units
that
it's
actually
kind
of
more
than
what
I
was
thinking.
It
looks
like
it's
close
to
2700
units
total.
I
think
that
includes
all
these
proposed
and
potential
units,
including
the
existing
units
as
well.
F
G
For
the
applicants
common
question
from
all
the
letters
we
received
and
in
the
chat
right
now,
if
this
is
going
to
be
a
gas
station,
will
there
be
diesel?
Are
there
plans
for
diesel
I'm
just
trying
what
types
of
vehicles
would
be
using
this
gas
station.
I
As
far
as
the
type
of
fuel
that
might
be
sold
at
a
gas
station,
excuse
me
a
convenience
store
with
a
gas
station.
I'm
not
sure,
I'm
not
sure
about
that,
but
I
would
my
as
far
as
a
guess
I
would
say.
Yes,
I
would
guess
so.
G
Okay,
understood
and
then
just
one
other
preemptive
question
to
me.
The
big
issue
is
transportation
as
we're
hitting
here
and
it's
a
transportation
for
a
whole
district
and
we're
putting
all
the
brunt
of
that
onto
one
parcel
here
conrad.
I
know
we
don't
have
our
transportation
planner
here,
but
is
there
a
discussion
in
the
cities
to
address
the
increasing
stress
of
traffic
in
this
increasingly
developed
area,
because
that
seems
like
it's
bigger
than
any
individual
parcels
problem.
F
Yeah,
commissioner
kirk
you
you
bring
up
a
good
point:
hey
we're
looking
at
one
parcel
this
evening,
rezoning
requests.
I
understand,
there's
a
lot
of
moving
parts
in
this
in
this
map
that
I'm
showing
you
and
to
answer
your
question.
As
best
as
I
can.
Staff
definitely
is
aware
of
traffic
transportation
matters
and
we
have
our
transportation
team
and
our
assistant
city
manager,
nolan
kirkman,
he's
leading
that
that
effort.
There
has
been
some
discussion.
F
There
was
some
some
improvements
made
to
the
highland
elementary
school
that
this
developer
across
the
street
here
put
in.
So
there
are
some
and
there
have
been
some
improvements
made
in
terms
of
the
queues
and
really
I'm
starting
to
get
into
an
expertise.
That's
not
not
my
expertise,
but
I
am
familiar
with
some
of
the
discussion,
but
I
think
I'm
comfortable
to
say
that
staff
is
working
to
resolve
and
has
been
working
hand-in-hand
with
developers
as
they've
come
through
to
resolve
the
the
transportation
concerns
that
are
being
brought
up.
C
So
I
guess
that's
the
explanation
of
why
a
traffic
impact
analysis
has
not
been
done
yet
to
the
developer
or
to
the
attorney
for
the
developer.
I
C
Okay
seems
like
we'll
we'll
hear
from
the
public
or
keep
moving.
B
All
right:
well,
let's
john,
do
you
have
anything
to
say.
A
Mr
chairman,
I
I'm
looking
at
the
the
limited
use,
I'm
going
to
just
go
right
here
and
say
as
far
as
I'm
concerned
traffic
noise.
All
of
that
really,
I
don't
really
care
that
much
about
it.
Car
wash
or
automobile
detailing
convenience
store
with
gasoline
sales.
I
have
a
problem
with
due
to
the
close
area
of
that
to
the
major
watershed:
the
water
source
of
burlington.
A
My
biggest
concern
is
with
the
quality
of
water
and
what
might
happen
to
it
should
something
happen
with
a
a
a
diesel
gas.
Whatever
a
spill,
the
rest
of
it
is
kind
of
a
moot
point.
I
mean
it's
macintosh,
it's
going
to
be
developed.
It's
80,
some
percent
developed.
There's.
No
doubt
in
my
mind
that
the
the
rest
of
it
will
be
developed
at
some
point.
A
People
who
bought
out
there
should
have
understood
that
was
gonna
happen
and
that's
that's
just
the
way
it
is
but
gasoline
sales
or
say
a
car
wash
or
something
like
that
which
may
affect
the
primary
watershed
for
the
city
of
burlington.
I'm
going
to
vote
against
right
now,
I'll
tell
you
I'm
just
letting
that
be
known.
A
A
B
C
Yeah
we
we
had
mentioned
at
our
last
meeting
that
we
were
going
to
kind
of
discuss
this
amongst
ourselves,
first
and
foremost
before
we
invited
the
public
in,
and
is
that
something
that
we
should
try
to
do
now,
because
I
I
heard
mr
black
loud
and
clear
on
the
water
quality
and
that's
not
my
issue.
My
issues
are
traffic
and
we
have
we
have
approved,
and
the
city
council
has
approved
a
lot
of
things
out
there
and
to
me.
C
A
And
mr
chairman,
if
I
understand
what
mr
kirkpatrick
is
making
reference
to
our
discussion
at
the
last
meeting
was
that
the
planning
and
zoning
meeting
is
a
public
meeting,
but
not
a
public
hearing.
The
public
hearing
is
held
in
front
of
city
council,
that's
correct,
so
you
know
whether
we
hear
anybody.
A
D
C
We
had
talked
about
beating
this
around
amongst
ourselves
before
we
went
and
opened
it
up
to
public
comment
and
whatnot.
If
I'm
not
mistaken,.
I
D
Well,
yes,
it
is
correct.
This
is
a
public
meeting,
not
a
public
hearing.
It
has
been
the
planning
and
zoning
commissions,
preference
and
and
sort
of
general
practice
to
hear
members
of
the
public
to
to
have
public
comments
and
input
as
part
of
the
process,
to
help
inform
the
decisions
that
that
go
towards
your
recommendation
to
city
council.
So,
while
it
is
not
a
requirement,
it
has
been
your
your
practice
in
in
the
past
and.
A
B
So
what
does
the
commission
feel
like
tonight?
Do
you
want
to
take
a
couple
questions
or
hear
public
comments.
C
C
B
Well,
I've
I've
looked
at
this
and
thought
about
it
and
thought
about
it,
and
my
concern
is
the
same:
it's
yours,
the
traffic.
I
I
don't
think
a
major
service
station
off
the
interstate
should
be
at
the
entrance
of
our
largest
subdivision.
B
I
I
think
it
needs
to
be
on
a
main
thoroughfare,
like
most
other
gas
stations
somewhere
out
facing
university
drive
or
somewhere
out
in
in
easy
view
of
the
interstate
where
cars
and
trucks
can
pull
off,
pull
in
and
get
back
on
the
interstate.
B
But
this
this
is
just
too
deep
in
a
residential
subdivision
for
me
and
I'm
I'm
opposed
to
it.
So
that's
where
I
stand,
mr
kirkpatrick.
Thank
you,
mr
kirk.
Do
you
have
an
opinion.
A
I
look
at
a
lot
of
things.
I
look
right
now
and
look
at
the
statistics
of
how
many
cars
you're
going
to
have
at
a
gas
station
a
gas
station
with
12
pumps
in
24
hour
period,
you're
serving
if
it's
open,
24
hours,
you're
talking
about
850
vehicles,
that's
based
on
each
each
pump
serving
three
vehicles
in
an
hour,
20
minutes
each
over
24
hour
day
and
assume
you
have
12
pumps.
So
that's
a
lot
of
cars.
A
Most
stations
don't
get
that
much
business,
but
that's
that's
the
potential
if
it's
open
for
24
hours
now,
a
lot
of
that
traffic
is
going
to
be
in
and
out
when
residents
aren't
going
to
and
from
work
for
example,
or
we're
not
having
kids
going
in
and
out
of
school
buses,
for
example,
so
that
that
number's,
just
something
I'm
throwing
out
there.
A
You
put
a
light
at
dan
brooke
in
bonner,
bridge:
that's
coordinated
with
the
lights
at
was
it
bonner,
bridge
and
university
drive
that
controls
the
flow
somewhat,
and
if
entrance
and
egress
egress
entrance
and
exit
to
the
gas
station
are
looking
like
they're
going
to
be
on
bonner
bridge
from
either
end
of
the
station,
that's
adding
to
it
so
based
on
use
yeah,
we
got
a
lot
of
homes
out
there.
A
People
out
there
knew
they
were
going
to
be
in
a
bottleneck
when
they
bought
the
land
or
bought
the
house
in
that
particular
residential
area.
A
Okay,
I'm
on
the
fence
on
it.
Right
now,.
B
Okay,
all
right
ethan
do
you
have
any
opinion.
K
I'm
sharing
similar
sentiments
to
my
my
fellow
members
and
being
a
resident
and
also
on
well
water
in
the
area.
Obviously,
soil
and
water
would
be
a
concern
for
for
myself.
K
Traffic
at
that
area
is
already
congested
and
it's
a
it's
a
difficult
intersection
to
navigate
coming
from
danbrook
to
bonner
bridge.
That
way,
so
I'm
interested
to
see
what
a
traffic
study
would
produce.
B
Okay,
I
think
the
planning
department
has
sent
out
letters
to
the
residents
at
the
macintosh
and
and
I
would
be
inclined
to
hear
to
go
ahead
and
let's
hear
some
comments,
we
seem
to
be
about
half
divided
on
this,
and
so
I'd
like
to
hear
some
comments
and
since
planning
did
send
out
letters
to
the
people
inviting
them
to
this
public
meeting
conrad.
Would
you
start
letting
a
few
of
them
in
and
let's,
let's
hear
what
the
main
conversation
is.
F
Sure,
thank
you,
chair
parker,
at
this
point.
I'd
like
you,
if
you're
in
the
audience
to
just
you
know,
use
the
raise
hand,
feature
or
dial
star
9
if
you
are
calling
in,
and
I
will
let
you
in
as
a
panelist
upon
doing
so
just
you
know
feel
free
to
turn
your
camera
on.
You
will
need
to
state
your
name
and
your
address
clearly
for
the
record
and
unmute
yourself
upon
coming
in.
F
Thank
you,
sir.
I'm
gonna
put
a
timer
on
which
I
will
be
starting
upon
when
you
start
to
speak,
I
will
go
ahead
and
get
that
started
for
you.
Thank
you.
Okay,
I'm
gonna
start
with
amanda
palmer.
F
One
second:
let's
miss
miss
palmer.
F
Will
be
hello,
miss
palmer,
give
me
one
second,
while
I
get
the
the
timer
started
here,.
K
F
M
All
right
so
amanda
palmer,
I
stay
in
mcintosh
on
the
lake
address
address-
is
365
sapphire
road.
I
am
very
not
happy
about
this
gas
station
coming
up.
I
think
that
it
will
be
a
detriment
to
our
community,
as
some
of
the
other
zoning
members
have
already
stated.
This
area
is
already
bottlenecked.
M
Yes,
we
understood
that
it's
macintosh
and
it
was
going
to
be
further
developed.
However,
I
think
putting
a
gas
station
at
the
entrance
of
our
neighborhood,
where
we
have
the
primary
exit
to
getting
to
the
highway,
will
be
a
detriment
to
us,
I'm
a
working,
full-time,
working
parent
who
has
a
child
at
highland
elementary
and
that
traffic
in
the
morning,
7
30.
It's
first
of
all.
If
you're
going
into
car
line,
you
can
barely
get
out
because
of
all
the
traffic.
M
That's
coming
up
the
road
and
if
you're,
trying
to
come
up
the
way
where
the
dealership
is,
you
can
barely
get
past
that
stop
sign
because
of
all
the
traffic.
So
I
I'm
a
tax
paying
citizen
here,
I'm
a
public
service
member
with
my
occupation,
and
I
disagree
with
the
gas
station
100
and
I
think
that
if
you
know
if
the
chair
members
cared
about
our
community,
which
I
heard
that
some
of
you
guys
do-
and
I
really
appreciate
it-
and
I
really
appreciate
the
disapprovals-
you
guys
would
agree
with
us
on
this.
F
Okay,
I'm
going
to
miss
paul
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
move
you
back
to
an
attendee.
F
Thank
you,
and
I
will
have
ryan
spencini
is
next
and
after
mr
spedicini
I'll
call
him.
Mr
osball
thomas
all's
bald.
So,
mr
feliciano,
if
you
can
just
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
prior
to
addressing
the
commission,.
B
O
Here
ron,
thank
you,
city
staff
and
commissioners.
This
is
ryan
spadicini,
I'm
at
336
lochmani
drive
in
burlington.
I
serve
as
the
macintosh
on
the
lake
hoa
board
president
and
obviously
also
a
resident.
O
I've
been
the
board
president
for
going
on
three
years
now
and
there's
a
couple
of
things
that
I
think
there's
some
misinformation
that's
been
stated,
and
I
just
wanted
to
correct
the
community
at
large,
meaning
the
management
company
or
the
clubhouse,
because
it
does
have
a
mailing
address,
did
not
receive
a
letter
for
this
meeting.
O
That
was
that
was
that
happened
at
our
either
clubhouse
in
a
way
that
the
board
could
send
notification
out
to
the
balance
of
the
community
to
let
them
know
that
this
was
happening
myself
and
charlie
beasley,
which
I
know
some
of
you
are
familiar
with
just
kind
of
found
out
about
this,
this
public
meeting-
I
guess
you
could
say,
but
it's
kind
of
private
in
a
way
you
know
just
by
happenstance
two
days
prior
and
then
it
was
made
public
that
there
was
this
meeting
at
the
clubhouse.
O
Unfortunately,
the
vast
majority
of
the
board,
including
myself,
was
on
vacation,
could
not
attend.
So
it
is
very
unfortunate
that
we
did
not
get
more
notification
being
that
we're
1400
plus
homes
currently
and
soon
to
be
close
to
1600.
It
would
have
been
great
if
we
could
be
there
and
then
also
there
was
a
comment
about
you
know
us
living
here
and
knowing
you
know
what
was
coming
down
down
the
pike
with
the
development
of
the
community.
Absolutely
we
did
know
that.
O
However,
the
apartments
that
have
recently
been
approved,
whether
right
or
wrong,
were
not
from
my
understanding
not
originally
planned.
As
far
as
zoning
goes,
and
that
zoning
was
changed
to
accommodate
those,
so
that
has
added
extra
traffic
and,
as
many
of
you
have
stated,
and
I'm
sure
many
of
the
residents
will
stay,
there's
huge
concerns
of
traffic.
There
is
backup
already
that
goes
past,
the
the
firehouse
to
the
point
where
they
had
to
put
a
sign
that
says,
don't
block
the
firehouse.
O
This
means
that
that
school
traffic
is
only
going
to
block
the
gas
station
entrance
and
never
mind
even
go
past
dan
brook
as
more
and
more
kids
go
there
as
we
continue
to
put
more
apartments
and
more
town
homes
in
the
vicinity
and
then
it'll
also
it'll
also
conflict
with
the
firehouse,
and
I
will
say
that
at
the
public
meeting-
and
I
know
my
time
is
winding
down
here-
he
did
the
developer
and
land
owner.
O
I
was
not
there,
but
from
my
understanding
he
did
say
that
diesel
is
not
out
of
question
for
this
gas
station
and
that
would
service
a
large
tractor
trailer,
so
the
community
as
a
whole.
We
have
really
been
talking
about
over
the
last
few
days
and
we
really
have
a
lot
of
issues
with
this
and
I
don't
think
a
gas
station
makes
sense
in
this
area.
As
some
of
you
have
pointed
out-
and
I
appreciate
you
disapproving
it.
Thank
you.
F
P
My
name
is
thomas
osborne.
I
live
in
1960
west
buckhill
road,
approximately
well,
not
even
one
mile
from
this
proposed
project
and
just
ask
that
you
consider
what
attorney
wall
said
and
weigh
in
the
comments
based
on
proximity,
but
we're
about
as
close
as
it
gets
in
terms
of
single
family
homes
in
the
area,
and
you
know
I
know
that
we're
not
the
only
ones
who
are
going
to
be
affected.
P
It's
the
people
of
macintosh
they're
asking
to
put
a
gas
station
at
the
entrance
to
macintosh
and
they're,
not
being
clear
or
honest,
I
think
or
well,
not,
maybe
not
honest
as
well,
but
forthcoming
about
whether
or
not
they're
going
to
have
diesel
there.
We
were
at
the
neighborhood
meeting.
We
asked
them
they're
like
oh,
we
don't
know
they
also
put
up
for
28
other
possibilities
for
this
and
then,
when
they're
asked
specifically
the
owners
of
the
project,
they
said
it
was
going
to
be
a
gas
station
if
they
were
allowed
to
do
it.
P
So
this
is
all
going
to
be
the
bottleneck
in
the
entrance
and
just
to
make
clear.
This
has
nothing
to
do
with
serving
the
people
of
our
community
in
the
macintosh
area.
I
wonder
where
we've
all
been
getting
gas
for
the
last.
You
know,
however
many
years
I
wonder.
Oh,
we
really
need
gas
now,
there's
another
gas
station,
1.1
miles
away
from
this
and
right
across
the
street
from
that
there's
another
gas
station.
So
nobody
needs
this.
P
This
is
to
serve
the
people
who
are
driving
by
on
the
highway,
clogging
up
the
basically
the
only
entrance
to
the
macintosh
making
a
bottleneck.
There's
no
demand
for
this.
I
know
that's
not
really
your
function
here
to
figure
out
what
the
demand
is,
but
this
does
nothing
for
the
people
of
macintosh
there's
plenty
of
places
to
get
gas.
It's
ridiculous.
P
This
is
just
the
cash
grab
they're
going
to
put
up
an
ugly
shell
station
and
that's
going
to
be
the
banner
hey.
Welcome
to
macintosh
check
out
our
awesome
shell
station
poisoning
the
water
poisoning,
our
kids.
They
want
to
put
this
thing
up
and
you
know
going
off
what
ryan
just
said
this
whole
buyer.
P
Beware
notion
that
the
the
council
wants
to
throw
around
the
zoning
might
be
clear
and
when
we
buy
a
property
you
know
we
bought
a
house
that
says
medium
density
residential,
but
it's
not
clear
that
the
central
planners
and
the
benevolent
rulers
at
our
city
council
have
decided
upon
this
unified
development
ordinance
that
every
every
single
parcel
has
a
has
a
purpose
that's
going
to
be
transformed
to
in
the
future
so
yeah.
Maybe
this
conforms
to
your
plan,
but
your
plan
doesn't
conform
to
the
times
that
we
live
in.
P
F
B
B
Q
I
live
all
the
way
in
the
back
of
macintosh,
so
I'm
gonna
echo
what
I've
said
at
the
previous
council
meeting
and
at
the
neighborhood
information
meeting
that
the
the
applicant
held
for
the
notified
residents
in
the
area
last
week.
Q
It's
not
so
much
traffic.
For
me,
I've
seen
some
of
the
reports
on
traffic
studies
done
recently
for
some
of
the
other
construction
long
bonner,
bonner
bridge.
It's
I
don't
think
right
now
and
even
really
in
the
immediate
future.
Traffic
is
going
to
be
the
issue,
but
it
will
be
coincidental
with
the
construction
of
this
particular
type
of
usage,
particularly
a
gas
station
or
convenience
store
some
combination
of
the
two
or
anything
that
brings
in
any
type
of
high
traffic
in
two
years
time.
Q
This
we're
going
to
have
an
extra
you
know,
800
residents,
potentially,
if
not
more,
we're
looking
at
peaking
out
just
behind
the
university
light
in
the
macintosh
area,
all
along
bonner,
bridge
and
lock
ridge
at
over
5
5000
residents,
probably
closer
to
6
000.
Once
the
guilford
side
gets
developed
in
the
cove
area,
funneling
well
over
half
of
that
traffic
through
a
single
light,
I
don't
think
will
be
feasible
in
the
next
two
years.
Q
That's
that's
not
what
they
bought
into.
So
I
totally
understand
what
they're
saying
as
well,
but
just
voicing
my
opposition
on
this.
I
honestly
think
there
should
be
a
a
very
strong
consideration
to
holding
any
and
all
changes,
just
stopping
them
right
now
until
a
third
point
of
entrance
can
be
made
for
specifically
macintosh,
but
really
any
of
the
residents,
because
we're
looking
at
having
well
over
a
thousand
residents
in
just
apartments.
Q
I'm
not
on
board
with
that.
So
that's
all
I
got
thank
you.
F
F
N
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
few
points
today.
I
live
at
192
me
this
way
in
macintosh,
I've
been
a
resident
of
macintosh
for
at
least
15
years,
and
we've
moved
to
different
sections
in
the
subdivision,
so
I
have
the
perspective
of
being
a
longer
term
resident,
as
well
as
building
a
new
construction
and
being
more
aware
of
kind
of
what's
going
on
in
the
city,
I
will
also
say
I
have
an
almost
20-year
experience
in
public
service
and
have
conducted
public
meetings
and
public
hearings,
and
I
do
also
have
a
science
background.
N
The
points
that
I
wanted
to
raise
to
you
today
are
a
few
of
my
concerns.
One
is
the
emissions
we
haven't
addressed
that
today.
I've
heard
concerns
about
soil
and
water,
but
the
emissions
of
having
a
standing
gas
station
with
idling
cars
and
trucks
in
close
proximity
to
a
school
which
could
raise
health
concerns
among
the
youngest
population.
That
will
be.
There
are
of
concern
to
me
as
a
parent
who
has
a
child
at
highland
elementary
school,
and
I
don't
that
think.
N
That's
really
been
publicized
today
or
that
we've
brought
in
studies
from
other
parts
of
the
state
that
have
made
decisions
to
not
allow
these
gas
stations
to
go
near
elementary
schools,
for
those
exact
reasons:
wake
county
to
be
particular.
When
this
issue
came
up
months
ago,
I
submitted
that
in
my
written
comments,
traffic
has
already
been
stated
as
a
concern.
I
also
have
those
concerns
and
putting
a
gas
station
at
the
front
of
macintosh.
N
N
You
already
mentioned
the
maps
that
were
presented
previously,
the
new
construction,
that's
going
up
for
the
town
homes
and
while
that
was
still
presented
as
something
that
was
just
under
consideration,
that
land
is
currently
being
cleared,
also
land
being
cleared
for
the
senior
senior
center,
and
then
we
also
still
have
new
construction
in
macintosh,
as
was
previously
mentioned.
N
So
when
you
combine
that
with
the
highway
traffic
that
causes
a
significant
concern
to
me,
I
also
raised
in
the
written
comments
that
were
provided
in
the
chat
that
I
have
a
concern
that
it
appeared
that
we
were
deferring
to
the
applicant
and
his
view
of
how
these
comments
should
be
viewed
by
the
board,
and
I
wanted
to
raise
that
as
a
concern.
And
the
last
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
is
we
keep
talking
about
there's
going
to
be
a
potential
exit
that
will
be
under
construction
for
macintosh
to
do
with
the
traffic
flow?
N
But
I
also
would
like
to
know
that's
mentioned
money
as
earmarked.
It
wasn't
presented
to
me
as
if
it's
something
that's
concrete
and
also
the
time
that
will
be
taken
to
actually
construct
that
separate
exit
and
since
there's
private
property
that
runs
through
greece
and
what's
the
plan
to
take
land
by
eminent
domain.
So
I
wanted
to
raise
those
concerns
for
consideration
from
the
board
and
I'll
be
happy
to
provide
additional
written
comments
if
those
are
required.
Thank
you.
F
And
I
will
be
bringing
on
this
brandy
whitaker
if
you
can
state
your
full
name
and
address
before
addressing
the
commission
and
following
her
there
are,
is
jessica
n,
I'm
gonna
promote
miss
whitaker
here.
R
Yes,
sorry
took
just
a
second,
so
my
name
is
brandie
whittaker,
I'm
a
resident
of
macintosh
3248
castle
rock
drive.
I
actually
am
a
very
a
brand
new
resident.
We
just
moved
in
in
january.
I
have
been
a
long
time
kind
of
outer
resident
if
that
makes
sense.
R
My
parents
live
here
and
have
for
quite
a
bit,
and
while
everybody's
had
some
great
points
about
a
multitude
of
things,
I
do
want
to
bring
up
a
couple
of
issues
that
we
talked
about
at
the
meeting
the
other
night,
where
the
residents
by
chance
were
able
to
attend
the
apartment
complex
directly
across
from
the
parcel
that
we're
specifically
talking
about
in
the
mornings,
especially
during
school
traffic
and
I'll,
speak
to
just
that
piece.
R
R
R
You
know
a
higher
population
of
apartment
crossings,
basically,
as
people
are,
are
crossing
this
main
three-lane
road
just
to
get
over
to
the
gas
station
for
convenience.
So
we
may
see
an
increase
in
pedestrian
issues
and
specifically
pedestrian
car
involved
issues.
So
I
want
the
council
to.
I
want
you
guys
to
take
that
into
consideration
just
from
a
public
safety
point,
as
I
mentioned
in
the
chat,
and
some
of
you
guys
saw
that
there
are
tons
of
new
developments
that
are
going
up
right
now.
R
I
mentioned
five
of
those
in
the
chat
and
then
also
subsequently
broke
down
the
approximate
number
of
cars
to
equate
into
the
into
the
traffic.
So
within
the
next
three
years,
we're
looking
at
1225
new
cars
on
the
road
from
these
five
different
divisions
that
does
not
take
into
account
gas
station
traffic,
so
another
1200
cars
are
a
very
congested
road.
R
My
concern
was
the
developers
specifically
said
they
were
going
to
refuse
a
traffic
study
until
after
the
rezoning,
which
is
not
appropriate.
We
need
to
know
what
that
impacts
on
the
community
and
specifically
on
our
schools
and
our
fire
departments
are
gonna.
Have
they
also
did
not
dismiss
the
diesel
option
and
their
response
in
the
room
was
basically
like.
R
The
last
thing
that
point
I
want
to
make
is
the
entrance
and
exit
will
be
a
singular
entrance
and
exit
from
that
gas
station
onto
bonner
bridge
it'll
be
approximately
300
feet
from
danbrook,
so
that
basically
gives
you
four
car
links
to
stop
between
the
gas
station
exit
and
dan
brook.
So
anyone
making
a
left
off
of
dan
brook
won't
be
able
to
make
a
left,
because
there's
gonna
be
constant
flow.
R
Going
on
to
the
main
you
know
onto
bonner
bridge,
going
back
towards
university,
the
last
thing,
obviously,
the
environmental
impact
and
the
consideration
of
not
necessarily
tank
spills
but
truck
spills
on
the
environment.
Thank.
B
You
guys,
sir
time
is
up.
Thank
you
for
your
comments.
F
Okay,
yes,
chair
parker,
there
are
two
additional
folks
I'll
call
on.
Thank
you.
Brandi,
I'm
gonna
go
move
you
back
to
an
attendee.
B
Are
all
the
other
members
ready
for
a
vote
on
this
issue?
I
think
we've
heard
and
read
the
emails
and
heard
from
the
residents
their
main
concerns.
They
obviously
are
concerned
about
traffic
and
the
things
that
we
are
so
can
we
get
a
motion
from
mr
kirkpatrick.
Is
that
agreeable.
S
C
I
make
a
motion
to
recommend
denial
of
request
to
resign.
The
property's
own
general
business
to
be
rezoned
hide
I'm
on
the
wrong
one.
C
I've
got
it,
I've
got
it.
I've
got
okay,
I've
got
it.
I
make
a
motion
to
recommend
denial
of
the
request
to
resign.
The
property's
own
medium
distal
residential,
to
be
light,
industrial
limited
use,
the
properties
located
south
side,
intersection
of
danbrook
road
and
bonner
bridge
parkway,
addressed
zero
danbrook
road
and
consists
of
battle
mass
county
tax
identification
number
106
952.
C
While
the
request
is
consistent
with
the
future
land
land
use
map,
section,
4,
land
use
of
the
comprehensive
plan
in
that
it
costs
for
the
area
to
have
business
park,
slash
light
industrial
uses.
The
requested
zoning
is
not
necessary
for
this
location.
That
actually
is
reasonable
in
public
interest.
In
that
the
request
the
requested
rezoning
is
incompatible
with
existing
land
uses
in
the
area,
and
the
current
zoning
is
preferable
for
the
area.
C
B
G
Point
of
order
we've
had
long
presidents
of
this
board
of
allowing
the
applicant
to
respond
to
public
comments
that
they
so
choose.
I
don't
know
if
that's
appropriate
at
this
point
now
that
a
motion
has
been
made.
B
I
I
It
must
be
to
the
council
satisfaction
into
the
staffs
that
satisfaction
and
that
the
staff
has
approved
this.
It's
consistent
with
the
plan
we
haven't
done.
The
study
we
haven't
had
the
resources
to
do
a
study
at
this
point,
so
I
think,
as
far
as
environment
I
mean
I
could
go
down
the
list
and
make
some
comments,
but
I
I
I
don't
think
epa
or
the
city
would
allow
environmental
environmental
issues
to
to
become
problematic
for
this
site.
I
Under
the
circumstances,
current
technology
for
for
underground
tanks
and
gas
stations
is,
is
very
cutting
edge
and
it
prevents
prevent
spills
now,
of
course,
you
can't
control
what
might
happen
if
a
spill
is
above,
but
you
know
I'm
not
the
technical
expert
on
on
these
matters,
so
I
don't
know
that
I
can
tell
you
what
would
or
wouldn't
do
as
far
as
traffic
and
safety
and
those
kinds
of
things,
except
that
I
think
these
issues
would
be
resolved
at
the
time
of
the
site
plan,
and
I
think
that
they
would
resolve
or
addressed
in
a
way
that
would
try
to
make
this
the
use
of
this
site
as
not
only
consistent
with
safety
and
good
traffic
flow
as
possible.
I
B
Jamie
from
the
staff
point
of
view,
what
is
your
recommendation.
M
B
F
So,
just
as
a
matter
of
order,
it's
an
approval
to
deny
so.
F
F
B
Okay,
so
we
voted
unanimously
to
deny
so
on
to
city
council,
mr
wall,
thank
you
for
coming
making
your
case.
I
think
we
got
a
good
representation
from
the
public
and
you
can
go
to
city
council
with
more
ammunition.
F
I'll
be
moving
mr
wall
to
an
attendee,
and
I
will
be
bringing
on
our
consultants
for
the
next
presentation.
B
So
our
next
presentation
is
for
the
local,
historic
overlay,
lho
district
design
standards
on
behalf
of
the
city
of
burlington,
mr
phillip,
walker
and
mr
keith
covington
to
present
the
local
historic
overlay
district
design
standards
and
ms
lawson
planning
director
to
present
the
process
assessment
recommendations.
That's
a
whole
lot
now
on
this
issue.
Are
there
any
conflicts
of
interest
about
the
historic
district.
D
I
think
I'll
I'll
just
do
some
introduction
and
background.
So,
while,
while
we're
getting
the
consultants
admitted
as
panelists
so
good
evening,
chair
and
members
of
the
commission,
this
is
an
item
to
update
the
local
historic
district.
It
is
the
standard
associated
with
the
two
local
historic
districts,
the
west
davis,
historic
district
and
glencoe
burlington
is
one
of
the
51
certified
local
governments
in
the
state
of
north
carolina
and
as
such,
we
submitted
a
grant
application
to
update
the
local
historic
districts.
D
In
april
of
2021,
we
made
a
grant
an
application
for
the
grant
to
the
state,
historic
preservation,
commission
office
and
we
were
awarded
the
grant,
and
then
we
selected
mr
phil
walker
and
mr
keith
covington,
the
walker
collaborative
to
undergo
the
project
as
part
of
the
process
you'll
see
in
the
presentation
and
this
and
the
powerpoint
that
I
have,
we
had
an
advisory
committee
with
about
15
members.
D
D
We
received
citizen
input
from
both
the
public
meetings
and
the
advisory
committee
and
then
a
and
we
had
several
meetings
with
the
historic
preservation
commission,
as
well
as
part
of
special
meetings
and
regular
meetings
at
the
june
8th,
historic
preservation,
commission
meeting
the
durant,
the
the
draft
was
presented
and
there
was
a
recommendation
to
to
approve
the.
M
D
D
So
this
is
a
legislative
matter
because
it
does
involve
an
overlay
to
the
zoning
districts,
and
so
in
your
capacity,
you
would
be
making
a
recommendation
ultimately
with
the
standards
going
to
the
city
council
for
their
review
and
and
consideration.
D
So
we've
got
a
short,
a
very
short
presentation
that
just
gives
a
little
bit
more
background
in
terms
of
the
project
and
and
where
we
are
today,
I
will
be
happy
to
to
turn
it
over
to
to
phil
walker.
I
think
he's
on
I'm
on.
Can
you.
D
Yeah
great
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
this
item
to
move
forward
to
the
city
council
per
option,
one
in
your
staff
report
and
and
binder
there
so
I'll.
Let
I'll
turn
it
over
to
phil
to
kind
of
go
through
our
presentation
at
this
point
and
phil.
T
Okay,
yeah,
if
you
want
to
go
to
the
next
slide,
okay,.
T
T
Okay,
so
keith
is
also
involved
with
this,
and
he
can
you
know
to
the
extent
that
there
are
questions
that
come
up.
He
can
hopefully
help
me
field.
Some
of
those
you
can
see
the
list
of
you
know
the
key
staff.
Obviously
obviously
conrad
and
jamie
are
very
involved
the
state.
You
know
this
is
also
a
state
project
and
I
guess
most
of
the
funding
or
a
lot
of
the
funding
for
the
projects
from
the
state.
T
So
they're
gonna
carefully
review
it
they've,
given
us
a
little
bit
of
feedback
so
far,
but
we're
looking
to
see
what
else
he
might
have
and
then
on
the
right
there
you
can
see
the
list
of
advisory
committee
members
and
you
know
I
think
it's
a
pretty
good
mix
of
folks
and
different
perspectives.
So
conrad,
if
you
want
to
go
to
the
next
slide,
it'll
be
great,
and
so
what
we're
going
to
talk
about?
T
I'm
going
to
try
to
make
this
after
what
you
just
endured
with
the
previous
application,
we'll
try
to
make
this
pretty
pretty
easy
on
you
and
I'll
err
on
the
side
of
being
concise.
T
Knowing
that
we
can
spend
as
much
time
as
you,
you
need
for
us
to
answer
your
questions
and
so
forth,
but
you
know
I'll
give
you
a
little
bit
of
project
background
in
case
you
don't
know
much
about
the
project.
T
We'll
then
talk
about
just
kind
of
the
most
recent
editing
that
we've
been
doing
and
then
we'll
we'll
go
through
the
draft
standards
and
really
you
know
we
can
have
a
discussion
as
we
go
through
the
standards
and
when
we
go
through
them
I
mean
they're
literally,
I
don't
know
how
many
pages
now
I
think
we're
close
to
200
pages
or
something
so
we're
not
going
to
go
through
page
by
page,
but
at
least
you'll
get
a
sense
of
what
all
it
entails
and
I'm
sure
you'll
have
lots
of
questions,
and
you
can
actually,
I
think,
just
chime
in
as
we
go
through
it
and
ask
us
questions
or
or
make
comments.
T
So
if
you
want
to
go
to
the
next
one
conrad,
so
you
know
what
are
design
standards.
You
know
they
they're.
Basically,
a
set
of
rules,
for
you
know
how
you
treat
the
historic
area,
landscapes,
buildings
that
are
local
districts
anytime,
there's
like
new
development
alterations
of
existing
buildings,
a
relocation
of
a
building,
even
though
that's
fairly
rare
and
then
demolitions
are
all
regulated.
You
know,
there's
state
enabling
legislation,
as
you
can
see
by
these
different
numbers.
The
different
state
codes
that
allow
for
this,
the
city's
local
legislation
is
through
the
unified
development
ordinance.
T
Otherwise,
if
it's,
if
it's
major
work
it,
it
goes
before
the
full
commission
and
if
you
want
to
go
to
the
next
one
and
the
intent
of
the
program-
and
this
is
right-
and
I
won't
read
this
word
for
word-
but
this
is
right
out
of
the
city's
unified
development
ordinance
and
this
kind
of
bullet
point
list
of
the
reason
for
having
the
historic
overlay
program.
T
You
know,
for
you,
know,
sound
and
orderly
preservation
and
conservation
of
properties
to
protect,
safeguard
and
conserve
the
heritage
of
the
city
and
all
the
benefits
that
come
with
that
economically
and
socially,
culturally,
provide
for
the
education,
pleasure
and
enrichment
of
residents
and
citizens
to
foster
civic
beauty,
to
stabilize
and
enhance
property
values
and
then
finally,
contribute
to
the
improvement
of
the
general
health
and
welfare
of
the
city.
If
you
want
to
go
to
the
next
one,
so
you
know
in
doing
this
project,
there
are
three
primary
goals
I
mean.
T
Obviously
you
want
a
new
set
of
standards.
These
are
the
ones
that
currently
exist
and
and
they've
been
updated
over
the
years.
But
one
of
the
goals
and
a
lot
of
these
really
came
from
city
council
kind
of
the
marching
orders
for
the
project.
One
is
to
modernize
standards
and
just
one
example
would
be
materials.
You
know,
since
the
original
standards
were
prepared,
there
have
been
a
lot
of
new
building
materials
that
have
surfaced,
and
you
know
those
need
to
be
addressed.
T
Streamlining
the
process-
and
I
just
mentioned
about
the
major
versus
minor
work
for
and
maintenance-
is
something
that
you
don't
need
any
sort
of
approval
on,
and
the
whole
idea
is
to
try
to
see
if
there
aren't
some
things
that
currently
are
major.
In
other
words,
you
have
to
go
before
the
preservation
commission,
and
maybe
they
can
be
shifted
over
to
to
what's
considered
a
minor
that
could
be
approved
administratively.
T
Likewise,
there
may
be
some
minors
at
present
that
could
be
considered
just
maintenance
work,
so
that's
kind
of
a
another
objective
here
and
then,
finally,
just
to
create
a
set
of
really
user-friendly
standards.
I
mean,
for
example,
not
only
having
a
table
of
contents
which
the
current
standards
actually
lack,
but
even
having
things
like
hyperlinks.
You
know
if
you're
looking
at
this
digitally
as
a
pdf,
you
can
go
through
the
table
of
contents.
T
You
can
click
on
to
whatever
it
is
and
it'll
take
you
right
to
that
section
so
and
we
have
a
lot
of
hyperlinks
throughout
that
will
take
you
to
preservation
bulletins
that
go
into
more
detail
on
on
specific
issues,
so
so
those
are
kind
of
the
three
overall
goals
of
the
project
and
conrad.
If
you
want
to
go
the
next,
so
here's
where
we
are
in
this,
you
know
there
are
basically
four
overall
steps.
T
We've
we've
gone
through
the
planning
and
content
part
that
we
did
back
in
the
the
early
early
spring
number.
Two,
the
stakeholder
engagement
in
march
and
april
and
really
engagement,
occurs
throughout
the
life
of
this
project,
but
we
particularly
did
a
lot
of
stuff
with
meetings
some
in
person
when
we
were
there
and
zoom
meetings
so
so
that
part
has
occurred.
T
Then
we
developed
the
the
standards
in
april
and
may
and
now
we're
in
that
final
stretch,
where
we're
doing
the
review
and
approval-
and
you
can
see-
we've
already
gone
through
four
one.
Four
two:
four
three
here
we
are
obviously
at
4.4
with
the
planning
and
zoning
commission.
You
know
once
we
do
this
in
july.
I
think
july
19th
is
correct.
Is
a
city
council
workshop
and
then
in
august
I
want
to
say
16..
Does
that
sound
right?
I
see
jamie
nodding
her
head.
That's
a
good
sign.
B
T
And
so
when
it
comes
to-
and
I
realize
this
may
not
be
real
meaningful
to
you-
if
you
haven't
followed
this
project
all
along,
but
just
to
kind
of
hit
on
some
of
the
things
that
we've
been
wrestling
with
most
recently.
First
of
all,
you
know
the
and
jamie's
going
to
kind
of
hit
on.
I
think
the
next
couple
slides
talking
about
the
approval
process,
but
you
know
it's
not
just
a
substance
of
the
standards,
but
also
you
know
what
can
we
do
to
improve
the
process?
T
T
We
think
it
could
be
really
helpful
for
the
commission,
as
well
as
for
staff
and
applicants,
and
then
finally,
we
put
together
a
matrix
that
looks
at
minor
versus
major
work
versus
maintenance.
You
know
things
that
don't
require
a
coa
and
we're
there's
already
an
existing
standard.
So
it's
kind
of
a
bullet
point
list,
but
we've
taken
that
and
really
expanded
it
quite
a
bit,
including
a
lot
of
different
scenarios
of
types
of
work
that
aren't
really
addressed
now
to
try
to
figure
out
okay.
Is
it
a
minor?
T
We've
also
put
together
a
materials
matrix
where
we
we
indicate
whether
a
particular
material
is
prohibited
or
is
it
permitted
or
is
it
maybe,
which
means
it
depends
on
the
circumstances
it
might
be,
for
example,
is
the
material
going
to
be
on
an
existing
historic
building,
or
is
it
going
to
be
on
a
new
infill
building?
Is
it
visible
from
a
street
or
not
visible
from
a
street?
Those
sorts
of
things?
T
We've
also
got
three
appendix
sections,
one
on
plant
materials,
another
on
building
permit
requirements.
Since
a
lot
of
people
don't
realize,
oh,
I
still
need
to
get
a
building
permit,
or
maybe
they
don't,
but
at
least
it
adds
clarity
to
that
issue
and
then
having
links
of
various
applications
and
other
documents
is
appendix
3.
T
and
the
state
preservation
office.
Just-
and
I
mentioned
that
earlier-
you
know,
of
course,
they're
reviewing
this
document
as
well,
so
you
want
to
go
to
the
next
slide.
D
I'll
just
go
through
them.
I
don't
need
to
highlight
every
single
point,
because
I
think.
T
M
D
You've
already
covered,
but
the
staff
also
took
a
look
at
our
existing
historic
preservation,
commission
process
and
and
really
had
a
separate
document
that
kind
of
provided
some
additional
recommendations
and
and
and
and
included
that
as
part
of
your
packet.
So
you
know
continued
training
opportunities,
considering
expanding
the
board
to
allow
for
additional
members
with
with
particular
expertise
and
background.
D
Phil
talked
about
the
the
activation
of
the
design
review
committee
or
design
consultation
committee.
Really
beefing
up
our
website
and
making
that
a
hub
for
for
input
and
and
information.
D
Things
that
come
up
or
or
or
the
use
of
the
standards
itself,
there
may
be
things
that
need
to
be
tweaked
or
further
clarified.
So
those
recommendations
would
come
to
you
again
in
an
advisory
role
and
to
city
council
in
forms
of
a
text.
Amendment
hbc
has
set
special
meetings
and
can
continue
to
do
that
to
help
to
assist
applicants
when
there's
expediting
needed.
D
D
Briefly,
there's
a
lot
of
diagrams
and
and
descriptions
and
the
standards
themselves
are
just
a
significant
upgrade
to
the
current
rules
and
requirements
that
we
have
now
to
better
provide
clarity
on
on
on
projects
and
and
types
of
work.
D
I
think
I
I
think
that
that
kind
of
covers
you
know
what
I
wanted
to
summarize.
Just
in
terms
of
you
know
what
staff
also
wanted
to
recommend
as
part
of
the
process.
We
did
also
include
an
expedited
discussion
of
emergency
situations,
where
I
believe
there
also
are
standards
currently
that
exist,
that
deal
with
utility
services
and
emergency
tree
removal,
but
to
broaden
that
interpretation,
so
that
there
is
a
an
emergency
health
and
safety
issue
that
those
items
could
be
reviewed
in
a
broader
interpretation.
B
Ms
lawson,
this
is
chair
parker.
Do
you
think
that
y'all
can
finish
this
out
by
nine
o'clock.
T
Going,
I
think,
that's
a
great
idea
and
what
we'll
do
there?
What
I
really
want
to
do
is
just
run
through
the
table
of
contents,
and
then
you
know
we
can
flip
through
some
pages,
but
it
may
be
more
a
matter
of.
Do
you
want
to
go
to
something
in
particular?
So
if
you
look
at
this
table
of
contents,
we
start
off.
You
know
introductions
we
kind
of
talk
about
the
benefits
of
historic
zoning.
We
talk
about
the
state
legislature
for
it
our
legislation,
the
intent,
then
in
section
b,
the
the
process.
T
You
know
we
get
into
all
that
stuff.
I
mentioned
about
the
minor
versus
major
matrix
talk
about
the
process
for
getting
a
coa,
then
in
section
c
the
historic
context.
You
know
that
talks
about
you
know
burlington's
historic
development,
the
the
two
different
districts
and
landmarks,
the
five
landmarks.
T
We
have
diagrams
that
kind
of
label
the
parts
of
buildings,
so
everybody's
kind
of
speaking,
the
same
language,
and
then
we
actually
go
into
the
different
architectural
styles
and
building
types
that
are
encountered
in
either
the
two
districts
or
even
potential
future
districts.
For
that
matter,
and
then,
oh
I'm,
sorry,
if
you
can
go
back,
I
think
yeah.
The
the
standard
section
d
is
where
you
really
get
into
the
meat
of
it
right
and
we
have
some
general
principles
that
are
based
on
the
federal
standards.
T
Then
we
talk
about
visibility
and
contextual
compatibility,
contributing
versus
non-contributing
buildings.
We
talk
about
material
deterioration
and
replacement.
So
then
we
have
four
major
sections:
okay,
historic
buildings,
maintenance
and
alterations,
and
you
can
see
if
you
go
to
the
second
column,
we
kind
of
take
the
different
components
of
a
building,
and
we
talk
about
those.
You
know.
I
have
standards,
the
second
one
historic
buildings
we
get
into
additions
and
and
just
kind
of
basically
about
additions.
Is
that
section
number
three
is
new
buildings
and
we
have.
T
T
And
then,
if
you
want
to
go
to
that
next,
next
page
or
next
slide
building
relocations,
demolitions
and
demolition
by
neglect,
I
don't
know
if
you're
familiar
with
the
term
demolition
by
neglect,
but
that's
essentially
letting
a
building
get
into
such
a
state
of
you
know
of
deterioration,
that's
effectively
being
demolished,
so
you've
got
provisions
in
your
udo
that
prevent
that.
So
we
get
into
that
issue
number
six.
T
I
think
jamie
might
have
mentioned
this
disaster
preparedness
and
then
signage,
which
is
a
fairly
big
section,
because
the
minute
you
start
to
regulate
signs,
there's
all
sorts
of
different
types
of
signs
and
and
a
lot
of
things
that
go
with
it.
Then
finally
murals-
and
then
I
mentioned
before
about
these
different
appendix
sections,
so
that
that's
an
overview-
and
I
don't
know
conrad
if
it
makes
sense
to
just
kind
of
skim
through
to
give
them
a
sense
of
what
the
document
looks
like
or
you
know
what
do
you
think.
T
And
while
you're
doing
that,
while
you're
going
between
two
things,
I
should
mention
because
they're
not
reflected
in
the
current
document
in
case
you've
even
looked
at
it,
and
these
were
recommendations
that
we
just
got
and
we
were
we're
in
agreement
with
those.
One
of
them
is
that
we
need
to
make
a
change
when
it
comes
to
fences,
to
make
it
clear
that
in
the
glen
code,
district
fences
are
not
permitted
in
the
front
yard
and
by
the
way
this
is
there's
a
set
of
what
are
the
ccnr's
conditions?
T
T
You
can't
have
fences
in
the
front
yards
they're
discouraged
even
in
the
other
district
west
davis
fountain
place,
and
then
the
other
change
that
we're
proposing
that
this
is
a
new
thing
goes
back
to
glencoe
and
to
the
extent
that
you
have
buildings
that
are
on
piers,
you
would
be
able
to
screen
screen
the
gaps
between
the
piers
with
lattice
work,
which
is
a
pretty
traditional.
T
You
know
historic,
historically
based
treatment
so
anyway,
those
are
two
things
that
aren't
in
the
current
document,
but
I
just
wanted
to
to
get
those
out
there
yeah
and
here's
the
matrix,
of
course,
for
major
minor
coa,
and
if
you
look
at
this
you'll
see
where
it
says,
sr1,
there's
a
little
note
at
the
bottom,
where
it
says
staff
recommends
that
this
particular
standard
be
considered
general
maintenance
right
now.
T
If
you
look
it's
it's
shown
as
minor
work,
which
would
require
an
administrative
approval,
so
that
just
kind
of
gives
you
a
sense
of
of
all
the
different
and
you
may
want
to
go
through
the
other
ones
too.
Just
I
mean
so
they
can
see
all
the
different.
You
can
see
these
categories,
so
so
the
first
set
we're
on
structures,
then
other
building
features
and
issues.
T
B
That's
my
favorite
chart
of
the.
L
B
T
They
did
yeah
and
if
you
want
to
go
through
some
of
the
other
ones
or
just
kind
of
skim
through
here's,
the
historic
stuff,
yeah,
that's
a
good
pace.
Just
to
kind
of
you
know
you
can
get
a
sense
of
what
you
know
each
district.
We
we
show
the
map
and
give
the
history
and
there's
the
diagrams.
You
know
the
different
building
parts
that
we
and
then
we
get
into
all
these
different.
You
know
starting
off
with
the
commercial.
T
B
Phillip,
I
found
this
very
interesting
with
the
a
b's
and
c's
to
explain
the
different
aspects
of
the
property
and
how
the
how
it's
put
together
in
the
this
is
very
interesting,
and
I
think
this
is
a
a
great
manual
for
our
city
to
use.
B
I
don't
think
you're
going
to
get
much
pushback
from
this
committee
on
what
you've
done
here,
because
this
is
it's
a
great
deal
of
work
and
it's
very,
very
visual
and
usable,
and
I
I
think
this
is
going
to
help
the
historic
committee
a
great
deal
they're
going
to
really
love
this,
I'm
sure
you've
talked
or
they're
in
on
this.
But
it's
it's
it's
just
a
great
manual
and
it
helps
out
a
lot
to
let
you
know
what
to
do
and
what
not
to
do.
T
Yeah,
well,
I
appreciate
those
comments
very
much
and
yeah
the
staff's
done
a
great
job
too.
You
know
kind
of
orchestrating
things
and
giving
us
input
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
input
from
different
different
groups.
You
know
property
owners
and
the
advisory
committee.
Obviously
the
preservation
commission
so
yeah
we
we
hope
it
will
be
helpful.
A
Mr
chairman,
yes,
mr
black,
I
was
going
to
ask
mr
kirk,
who
served
on
this
committee
if
he
felt
very
comfortable
with
this,
and
did
he
think
in
his
opinion,
this
would
reach
out
to
the
concerns
that
had
been
brought
to
our
commission
in
the
past.
G
Yes,
yes
and
yes,
I
was
very
impressed
with
this
process.
I
thought
phil
and
keith
orchestrated
this
very
well
worked
on
a
very
tight
timeline
to
create
this
happen.
Jamie
lawson
deserves
a
lot
of
credit
as
well
for
helping
facilitate.
G
It
was
clear
that
many
people
had
effective
input,
including
the
the
two
members
that
are
residents
that
are
proposing
to
leave
both
of
them
were
members
and
were
quite
active
throughout
this
entire
process.
The
major
concerns,
as
I
understood
them
about
unclear
how
the
process
works.
This
is
so
much
clear
that
was
addressed
requiring
these
certificates
of
appropriateness
for
minor
issues.
G
G
B
B
Are
there
any
other
commissioners
that
would
like
to
make
a
comment
to
philip
before
we
open
this
up
to
see
if
there's
any
public
participation,
I
I.
G
Do
have
one
follow-up
I'm
watching
this
closely
throughout
it
it's
about
the
process.
So
we
have
these
separate
documents,
the
process
of
set
assessment,
which
was
the
internal
documents
about
how
to
review
how
things
are
approved,
so
not
just
the
design
standards
but
the
the
process
there.
It
seemed
that
there
was
a
sense
with
the
historic
preservation
commission
to
get
this
out
there
and
let
it
be
a
living
document.
G
We
now
have
these
the
we
got
the
email
letter
from
elizabeth
reed
about
the
fences
and
brick
posts.
There's
already
one
comment
in
our
chat
from
christy
benson.
Addressing
this.
B
My
own
okay,
so
whenever
we
make
the
motion,
we
need
to
recommend
the
the
inclusion
of
that
assessment
recommendations.
Is
that
right?
Is
that
what
you're
saying.
B
G
B
All
right,
let's,
let's
ask
a
few
more
commissioners
if
they
have
anything
ethan
joan
you
got
any
comments.
I
have.
H
A
quick
question,
the
design
review
committee-
I
was
wondering
it
says,
optional
on
that
flow
chart-
is
that
something
that
is
an
advisory
committee.
That's
optional!
If
you
need
advice
or
is
that
something
that
everybody
or
major
repairs
must
go
through.
T
Right
that
that
is
an
optional
thing,
it's
just
kind
of
a
service
to
help
people,
you
know,
navigate
the
whole
process
and
and
especially
to
kind
of
do
a
deep
dive
on
some
of
these
design
issues.
Hopefully,
we'll
have
designers
that
are
part
of
that,
and
maybe
some
former
preservation
commission
members,
but
but
it's
not
mandatory.
B
A
Chairman
go
ahead,
mr
ryan.
Will
my
neighbor
mr
gant
be
pleased
with
the
results
of
this?
Will
he
be
able
to
use
the
composite
door
that
he
wants
to
use.
T
Yeah
and
I'm
not
sure
who
that
would
be
directed
to,
but
as
far
as
his
as
far
as
the
door
he's
proposing,
I
mean
we'd
have
to
see
the
application
to
see
exactly
what
what's
being
proposed.
So
I
mean
there
are
there's,
certainly
room
for
composites,
but
again
it
depends
on
the
application.
H
S
But
can
I
say
something
everyone
can
hear
me:
okay,
yeah,
you
know
with
the
materials
matrix,
though
there
are
quite
a
few
modern
materials
included
in
that.
So
I
think
that's
a
definite
progression
for
the
historic
district,
so
there's
certainly
more
options
than
there
were
originally.
A
S
S
So
composite
is
listed
currently
in
the
matrix
as
a
maybe
which
which,
which
means
that
the
historic
preservation
commission
could
approve
that,
and
if
the
applicant
showed
that
it
was,
you
know
a
replica
of
what
was
there
but
using
modern
materials.
I
could
see
that
being
approved.
T
And,
and
also
just
to
add
to
that
one
thing:
we've
got
when
you
get
into
the
whole
section.
You
know
in
addition
to
this
matrix
there's,
you
know
several
pages
that
just
talk
about
materials
and
get
into
a
lot
of
issues
and
one
of
the
things
we've
included
is
a
list
of
questions,
they're
kind
of
like
criteria,
because
you
know
we
know
that
they're
going
to
be
new
materials.
That'll
come
out.
T
You
know
next,
five
or
ten
years
will
be
things
that
we
can't
even
predict
right
now
and
we
wanted
to
not
limit
ourselves
and,
of
course,
if
the
documents
updated
periodically,
you
know
things
can
be
added,
but
in
the
meantime
still,
if
there
are
questions,
there's
a
there's,
a
list
of
questions
for
the
commission
to
ask
themselves
about
some
proposed
material.
I
mean
things
like:
does
it
hold
up
well
over
time?
You
know,
will
its
appearance
hold
up
over
time?
I
mean
that's
a
big
one
for
synthetic
materials,
just
as
one
example.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
phillip
conrad.
Have
you
made
contact
with
anybody
out
in
the
public
that
would
like
to
speak
to
this
man?
I
know.
F
Jamie
sent
out
a
chat
there
so
for
folks
I
would
like
to
address
the
commission.
Please
do
so
by
using
the
raise
hand,
feature
or
and
if
you're
joining
us
by
phone,
please
use
star9.
F
So
I'm
seeing
some
hands
populate
here
I'll
go
ahead
on
the
order
that
they've
popped
up
here
we've
got
miss.
This
looks
like
tom
and
lynn
cohen.
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
promote
you
to
panelists
and
before
addressing
the
commission.
If
you
can,
please
state
your
knit
your
full
name
and
address
and
then
following
them
will
be.
I
see
it
looks
like
allen,
gant
and
there's
three
minutes
for
each
speaker
and
now
we'll
go
ahead
and
get
that
up
here.
F
B
Unmute
yourselves
and
yep,
can
you
hear
me
now?
Yes,.
L
We
hear
you
okay,
thank
you,
commission
parker.
Thank
you
all
for
letting
me
speak
I'll.
Try
to
be
brief,
so
I
know
you
folks
want
to
go
home.
I
served
on
the
I'm
tom
cowan
and
then
I
live
at
2451
glencoe
street
in
the
glencoe
historic
district.
L
I
want
to
I
served
on
the
advisory
committee
and-
and
I
do
want
to
commend
the
the
consultants
and
the
staff
from
the
city
for
the
great
job
they
did
on
the
guidelines.
It's
it's
a
big
improvement
during
the
the
process
of
input
I
shared
some.
L
You
know,
there's
been
some
concerns
and
they're
they're
specific
to
some,
where
they're
trying
to
where
the
city
wants
to
the
staff
is
thinking
about
making
the
there's
some
of
the
guidelines
where
they're
minor
versus
major
and
what's
allowed
and
not
allowed
a
little
easier
on
on
the
residents
and
I'll
just
be
specific
quickly.
L
The
section
a26,
which
is
doors
and
windows,
original
doors
and
windows
not
visible
from
the
street
and
those
the
ideas
to
make
that
from
major
to
minor,
basically
allowing
you
to
change
them
when
they're,
not
visible
from
the
street,
and
this
and
the
other
one
or
two
that
I'm
going
to
speak
about,
are
generally
inconsistent
with
typical
standards
for
historic
districts
nationwide.
L
The
other
two
are
a39,
which
are
changing
architectural
details,
original
architectural
details
and,
what's
going
to
be
allowed,
is
you
can
change
them
if
they're
not
visible
from
the
street
same
with
doors
and
windows
and
generally
what
you?
What
you
want
to
do
is
try
to
preserve
that
stuff
and
then
the
final
one
is
you
can
remove
a
tree
as
long
as
you
replace
the
new
one.
That's
the
new
proposed
standard.
L
What
typically
is
done?
Is
you
set
a
size
limit
like
if
the
tree
is
over?
It
was
four
inches
in
the
glencoe
district,
it's
15.
and
if
you
know
you
want
to
try
to
preserve
those,
a
lot
of
cities
have
tree
preservation
standards
and
so
we're
generally
against
all
some
of
these.
These
things
loosening
them
up.
I'm
on
the
the
president
of
the
glencoe
homeowners
association.
I've
served
a
term
before
I
know
every
one
of
the
owners
in
glencoe
about
40
I've
worked
on.
I
do
preservation
contracting.
L
I've
worked
on
15
houses
in
glencoe
as
many
as
additional
in
the
west
front
street
historic
district,
and
I
can
tell
you
the
people
that
buy
these
houses
know
that
these
are
the
conditions
and
they're
happy
with
them,
and
I
could
give
you
a
list
of
dozens
of
60
people
who
agree
with
these
guys.
You
know
the
kind
of
guidelines
where
you
preserve.
L
F
Okay,
thank
you,
mrs
cohen.
I'm
going
to
move
you
back
to
a
panelist
and
I
will
be
bringing
on
mr
alan
gantt
and
mr
allen
again,
if
you
could
before
addressing
the
commission,
if
you
can,
please
state
your
full
name
and
address,
and
following
mr
gant
is
I've
got
mr
ian
baltutis.
U
H
D
Put
in
the
meeting
chat
and
I'll
also
email,
mr
again,
if
he
wants
to
call
in
separately,
excuse.
F
J
F
Maybe
while
we
do
that
mr
gankins
calls
on,
we
are
we
okay?
Maybe
we
can
move
on
with
mr
ian
baltutus.
Yes
go
ahead,
let's
hear.
F
I'm
gonna
promote
him
to
a
panelist.
Let's
see
looks
like
he's
joining
us.
J
J
And
I
appreciate
the
team's
work
on
this
and
our
communities
work,
attending
these
meetings
and
providing
feedback
and
reviewing
all
the
different
drafts
of
the
document.
I'm
really
happy
with
the
document
as
it
stands.
I
think
they're
appreciate
tom's
comments
and
there's
still
a
few
things
to
be
addressed,
but
I
appreciate
the
way
it
mirrors
some
of
the
other
city
documents
with
diagrams
and
photos,
charts
and
materials
and
other
things
that
make
it
very
digestible
for
all
different
types
of
users.
J
So
thank
you
to
the
team
for
putting
all
that
together,
as
well
as
for
putting
in
the
historic
context
of
it
tying
that
to
the
local
community
architectural
styles,
and
why
it's
all
important,
I
think,
that's
that's,
really
helpful
in
that
it
reads:
it
reads
very
easily
to
help
guide
people's
thought
process
and
having
done
restoration
before
on
a
number
of
different
houses.
I
think
it
communicates
the
the
reason
why
we
do
this.
J
I
appreciate
the
request
for
a
review
cycle.
I
think
a
three
to
six
month
review
cycle
over
the
first
two
years
would
be
helpful
because
we're
all
going
to
be
deep
in
the
mud
of
actually
applying
this
and
things
are
going
to
come
up
as
we
try
to
actually
do
those
projects
on
our
houses.
So
having
that
ability
to
raise
the
flag
and
get
those
changes
put
in
place
on
a
faster
cycle
than
10
years
is
much
appreciated
and
yeah.
Overall,
thanks
to
the
team
and
look
forward
to
having
this
approved.
B
J
B
Have
you
got
anything
worked
out
with
mr
gantz,
yet
jamie?
Oh
you're,
talking.
D
Call
in
but
he's
having
difficulty
when
he
gets
to
the
webinar
number,
so
I'm
just
working
with
him
on
that
right
now.
Okay,
maybe
see,
if
there's
anybody
else
who
has
comments.
B
You
got
anybody
else,
conrad.
G
Since
we
have
a
moment
here,
I
don't
know
if
phil
and
keith
did
you
look
in
the
chat
or
maybe
jamie
too
there's
a
comment
from
a
christina
benson
about
sheds
and
garage
storage.
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
way
to
respond
to
that
at
this
moment,.
T
S
T
Okay,
so
so
I
think
her
concern
is
that
if
you've
got
a
a
pre-fabricated
out,
building
shouldn't
have
a.
U
T
H
G
H
S
I
I
agree.
I
I
was
gonna
pull
up
the
specific
standards,
but
I
have
not
been
able
to
do
that
just
yet.
Okay,
I
think.
T
Yeah,
I
think
mr
good
shape
on
that
to
be
quite
honest,
but
but
there's
something
specific
that
maybe
she
could
share
with
us
later.
If
there's
something
we're
missing,
we'll
be
happy
to
take
a
look
at
that
absolutely.
B
Let's
check
in
with
jamie
again
how's
your
progress,
yeah.
D
U
To
hang
up
with
you,
sorry,
I'm
sorry
for
the
confusion
here
I
apologize.
My
name
is
alan
gann.
I
live
at
1022,
west
davis
street
in
burlington
north
carolina
and
thank
you
very
much
to
jamie
and
conrad
and
the
staff
for
their
hard
work
and
and
trying
to
put
this
massive
information
together.
U
I
think
the
city
is
accepting
some
liabilities
that
you
need
to
be
very
careful
about,
for
instance,
widening
streets,
curbs
and
sidewalk
bridges,
bike
walks,
new
sidewalks
street
lighting,
street
names,
landscaping
and
streetscapes
all
have
to
go
through
if
it's
part
of
the
historical
district-
and
I
don't
know
anybody
else
around-
that
can
do
bridges
and
sidewalks
and
widening
of
streets
and
bike
lanes
except
the
city,
so
you
certainly
are
limiting
yourself.
U
I
personally
was
involved
in
a
situation
like
this,
and
so
in
this
particular
case,
in
a
building
that
has
been
condemned
still
has
to
go
through
the
historical
process
and
in
some
cases
it
come.
It
can
be
very,
very
unsafe
and
the
city
needs
to
have
a
play
a
way,
so
they
can
very
quickly
assess
a
condemned
building
and
be
able
to
move
without
the
without
having
to
go
through
the
rigor.
U
Moreover,
in
order
to
get
it
approved,
certainly
when
it
comes
to
landscaping,
I
appreciate
the
consensus
that
has
been
drawn,
but
I
also
want
to
call
to
your
attention
that
I
have
planting
trees
on
my
property
that
are
15
inches
in
diameter,
there's
nothing
historic
about
them
and
when
it
comes
to
landscaping,
I
think
that
we
should,
quite
frankly
make
it
much
much
looser
than
it
currently
is.
U
B
Which
begs
the
question:
have
we
had
enough
time
to
study
this?
Read
it
and
understand
it?
I
I
sped
through
it
this
afternoon
as
hard
as
I
could,
but
I
have
not
read
every
page.
I've
read
every
headline
or
every
paragraph
line.
A
Mr
chairman,
I've,
unlike
you,
I
did
have
a
chance
to
to
go
through
it
and
I
put
my
trust
into
people
like
mr
gant
and
mr
kirk,
who
was
on
the
committee,
and
they
presented,
I
think,
a
a
real
good
program,
much
better
than
we've
had,
and
I
I
base
my
thinking
that
the
staff's
recommendation
is
for
approval
and
I'm
I'm
comfortable
with
making
a
motion
for
that.
That's
my
opinion.
G
Add
a
huge
amount
of
heavy
lifting
by
the
historic
preservation
committee.
Our
commission
they've
gone
through
this
many
many
many
times
from
all
that
I've
witnessed
with
the
guidance
of
the
staff
and
the
consultants.
G
I've
been
very
impressed
with
their
diligence
and
attention
to
detail
and
that
that
gives
me
great
confidence
in
and
voting
on
this
to
move
it
forward.
Okay,
james.
B
You
froze
up
and
vanished
all
right,
mr
rainer
anything
from
you
come.
C
Do
I
mean
look,
I
think
a
lot
of
hard
work's
been
done.
I
just
need
to
digest
the
information
and
it's
just
that's
my
personal
opinion.
A
Well,
with
the
caveat
that
it's
got
a
review
coming
up
annually,
the
things
that
alan
addressed
can
be
addressed
with
future
documents.
A
Mr
chairman,
yes,
sir,
I
make
a
motion
to
recommend
approval
of
the
local
historic
overlay
district
design
standards.
The
motion
is
based
upon
the
consistency
with
a
comprehensive
plan
in
that
land
use
plan,
calls
for
the
celebration,
encouragement,
support
and
rehabilitation
of
historic
buildings,
section
two
character
and
identity,
gold,
one
call
celebrate
burlington's,
unique
history
and
local
character,
section
two
character
and
identity
goal.
One
one
recommendation
one
calls
to
encourage
the
preservation
and
continue
use
of
historical
buildings,
districts,
landmarks
and
landscape,
section,
2
character
and
identity
goal.
A
1
recommendation
2
calls
to
support
the
historic
rehabilitation
efforts
of
private
property
owners.
This
action
is
reasonable
and
in
the
public
interest,
in
that
the
comprehensive
plan
calls
for
the
historic
preservation
of
the
city's
historic
resources,
the
local
historic
overlay
district
design
standards
complete
the
historic
preservation
of
the
city's
historic
resources.
A
D
There,
a
second
before
before
you
make
them
a
second
and
a
and
do
a
roll
call
just
want
to
clarify
so
staff
is
looking
for
two
things:
a
recommendation
to
to
move
the
item
forward
to
the
city
council
with
or
without
the
changes
that
staff
has
included,
and
those
were
noted
in
and
page
b,
eight
through,
I
think,
b.
D
11.,
that's
the
first
item
and
then
the
second
item
is
stop
is
also
looking
for
the
recommendation
to
include
the
the
the
items
in
the
process
assessment
document.
B
D
And-
and
it
is
so
in
the
proposal-
there's
some
items
in
the
matrix
where
staff
has
recommended
one
one
direction
and
the
hpc
has
recommended
us
as
a
different
direction,
and
those
were
noted
in
the
in
that
matrix
table
where
it
was
pointed
out
as
sr
staff
recommendation.
D
I
I
would,
I
would
ask
for
that
consistency
statement
to
be
amended
to
also
include
the
approval
of
the
local,
historic
overlay
district
standards
and
the
process
assessment
document.
S
Keith
go
ahead,
yeah,
just
a
quick
question
and
this
may
be
more
for
jamie.
Does
this?
Would
this
also
include
the
two
changes
recommended
by
oh,
my
gosh.
S
H
D
This
book
yeah,
I
mean
we,
we
received
those
comments
today
and,
while
I
think
staff
is
in
in
favor
of
those
recommendations
and
those
adjustments,
they
have
not
been
included
in
this
in
this
draft
and
and
this
commission
has
not
seen
that
language,
so,
okay.
D
We
can
make
that
we
can
include
that
as
part
of
any
future
amendments
that
go
forward
to
city
council,
okay,.
A
B
All
in
favor
of
tabling
this
motion,
or
this
decision
signify
by
saying
raise
your
hand
all
right
all
opposed.
F
Nay,
chair
parker,
if
I
may,
to
do
a
roll
call
on
that
vote.
Sir,
go
ahead,
so
I've
got
a
chair,
parker
I'll
vote
in
favor.
B
We
have
one
final
item
to
discuss
and
we
can
table
that
if
you're
interested,
but
we
wanted
to
have
a
discussion
about
paper,
electronic
deliveries
pickups
on
these
packets.
If
you
want
to
talk
about
this
another
time.
F
A
Chair
go
ahead.
Last
meeting
we
discussed
making
a
recommendation
to
city
council
or
a
suggestion
that
they
ask
about
airbnbs.
Did
anybody
follow
up
with
that
to
see
if
city
council
would
want
to
look
into
the
regulations
surrounding
them.
F
Oh
yeah
vice
chair
black,
I
I
can
update
you
that
staff
has
been
looking
at
some
additional
language
about
airbnbs
and
our
upcoming
unified
development
ordinance
text
amendments
we
we're
we've
also
are
going
to
be
looking
into
tiny
homes.
So
at
the
moment,
that's
all
I'm
familiar
with
it's
going
to
be
staff's,
going
to
be
approaching.
That
matter.
F
A
A
F
Staff
can
look
into
the
language
again
regarding,
if
it's
the
technicality
of
my
my
understanding
is
that
our
our
communications
to
the
public
is
that
these
are
public
meetings
that
I
will
definitely
look
into
that
matter.
I
believe
that
to
jamie's
point
earlier
in
in
our
meeting,
the
the
properties
have
been
posted.
We've
we
weren't
doing
that
before
we've
also
increased
our
million
radiuses.
F
So
that
might
be
one
of
the
reasons
why
you're
getting
some
more
folks
participating
in
your
meetings,
but
that
that
has
been
at
the
direction
of
the
commission,
but
in
terms
of
the
technicality
we
can,
we
can
re.
We
look
at
that.
So
it's
what
your
intent
is
that
it's
clearly
more
clearly
communicated
to
the
citizenry
that
receive
the
letter.
A
That's
correct:
the
the
city
council
meeting
is
a
public
care
correct,
whereas
we
you
know-
and
we
can
ask
the
public
if
we
have
a
specific
question
for
that,
we
can
ask
for
their
comments,
but
this
is
not
a
guarantee
that
there's
going
to
be
a
public
forum
open
to
the
public.
That's
it's
up
to
the
commission
whether
or
not-
and
I
don't
think
that
we've
we've
accepted
that
in
the
past.
B
I
wonder
too
conrad
if
you
could
check
with
some
of
our
neighbors
greensboro
or
some
other
cities
and
see
what
their
pnc
policy
is,
whether
they
allow
public
comments
at
p
and
z,
just
like
mr
black
is
addressing.