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Planning and Zoning Commission - February 27, 2022
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And
we
have
Conrad
Meadow
the
planning
manager
and
Jamie
Lawson
the
planning
director.
Can
we
establish
a
quorum
Conrad?
We
have
a
foreign.
Sir.
Thank
you.
Our
next
item
is
the
approval
of
minute
from
our
last
meeting.
December
19
2022
is
their
emotion.
Some
of
it.
We
have
a
motion
to
have
a
set
opposed.
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Right,
let's
go
into
our
rezones,
we're
first
starting
for
rezoning
item
number
three
on
your
packet
Mr
Rob
sessoms
applicant
to
present
a
requests
to
rezone
property
from
light
industrial
Allied
to
General
business,
limited
use,
gb-w
properties
located
on
the
north
side
of
North
Memphis
Street
East
of
the
intersection
of
South
Korea,
Hopedale,
Road
and
North
Ministry
address
is
2002
North,
Meadow
Street
and
consisting
of
Alamance
County
tax
identification.
Number
171022.
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This
is
affordable
housing.
Yes,
when
you
say
affordable
what
is
meant
by
proportional
sure,
it's
income
qualified
so
how
it
works.
Is
we
use
the
low
income
housing
tax
credit
issued
by
the
North
Carolina
Housing
Authority?
If
it's
income
qualified
mean
you
have
to
make
under
a
certain
amount
to
be
able
to
qualify
to
live
there
and
you
have
to
make
a
certain
amount
to
be
able
to
afford
the
rent.
So
it's
a
joke.
Okay,
so
it
is
truly
affordable
house.
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Have
over
15
000
units
all
across
the
southeast,
from
DC
down
to
Savannah
I'm
worried
about
North
Carolina,
where
at
oh
in
North
Carolina,
we
I
mean
we're
developing
right,
we're
building
right
now
in
Whiteville,
we've
got
properties
all
over
the
state
from
mountains
to
coasts,
so
where
you,
where
you're
operating
right
now?
Yes,
where
and
you
said,
white
hole,
but
you
said
your
building:
what
what
are
your?
What
do
your
developments
look
like?
Where
are
they
I'll?
I?
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Yeah
and
just
just
as
a
reminder
to
the
planning,
the
zone
and
commission
members,
nothing
that's
provided
in
the
conceptual
plan
or
site
plan
can
be
committed
to
right.
This
is
a
limited
use,
rezoning
application.
In
fact,
the
list
of
permitted
uses
that
the
applicant
has
requested
are
listed
on
the
on
the
screen
there.
So
it's
not
just
limited
just
so
you're
aware
it's
not
just
limited
to
multi-family
right.
So
there
are
other
options
on
the
table
too
that
they
have
also
included
in
their
request.
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It's
the
drive-through
restaurant
sounds
like
a
fast
food.
Is
that
part
of
it?
It
is
not
so
we're
a
multi-family
developer,
but
we
were
purchasing
this
from
is
a
retail
developer.
We
have
to
apply
for
the
low-income
housing
tax
credits
with
the
state
of
North
Carolina
to
be
able
to
apply
for
those
tax
credits.
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We
have
to
be
rezoned,
so
we
can
even
get
the
tax
credits
that
would
allow
us
to
be
able
to
apply
for
these
to
be
able
to
build
this
development
without
the
rezoning,
but
we
also
don't
want
to
devalue
the
property
from
whom
we're
purchasing.
We
like
to
be
good
stewards
of
the
land
that
we're
trying
to
purchase
from.
So
we
understand
that
if
we
limited
our
seller
to
only.
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You
know
it's
kind
of
typically,
when
we
work
with
cities,
how
City
Planning
usually
works,
that
what
we've
done
is
is
commercial
centralized
with
multi-family
and
then
residential
in
this
kind
of
mimics
that
that
City
Planning
field
and
it's
just
I,
think
really
located
for
this
property,
because
I
think
it's
just
we're
really
excited
about.
It
actually
I
think
it's
a
great
location,
especially
with
the
bus
bus.
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C
A
one
more
follow-up
question:
can
you
say
that
you've
done
this
throughout
the
East
Coast
yeah?
How
long
have
you
all
been
in
business,
I'm
saying?
What
will
this?
What
would
we
expect
to
see
in
10
to
15
to
20
years
from
now
at
that
location,
that's
a
great
question
and
it
will
continue
to
be
affordable
housing.
We
will
be
managing
that.
We
I've
been
working
with
this
company
for
a
little
over
10
years.
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Maybe
a
question
for
City
staff,
I'll
link
to
the
Edo
just
now
and
I
couldn't
find
anything
more
I
know
we
have
a
residential
density,
calculation
and
limitation
for
the
normal
residential
learning.
Do
we
have
something
similar
for
apartment
structures?
Yes,
I
could
I
could
find
it
just
came
through
here,
but
for
for
what?
For
the
zoning
districts.
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Staff
has
given
their
recommendation.
Is
there
a
motion?
I
had
one
I
make
a
motion
to
recommend
the
approval
request
and
resemble
the
property
for
Life
industrial
General
business
limit
use
gblu
the
property
is
located
north
side,
North
Meadow
Street
East
of
the
intersection
of
South
Grand
Hotel
Road
on
McMill
street
address
as
2002
Governor
Street,
and
consistently
allowance
County
tax
identification
number
171
zero
to
two.
The
motion
is
based
upon
consistency
in
the
proposed
rezoning
with
the
encompressive
plan.
In
there
the.
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Well,
I'm
not
ready
for
you
yet
yeah.
As
you
know,
okay,
Mr,
Richard
and
Gino
African
to
present
a
request
to
rezone
property
from
light
industrial
to
General
business,
limited
use,
gblu
property
is
located
on
the
northeast
corner
of
the
intersection
of
South
Graham
Hopedale
Road
and
Hanover
Road
address
is
804
South
Graham,
Hood,
Hill
Road
and
consisting
of
Alamance
County
tax
back
identification
number.
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At
the
same
time,
we
have
all
the
different
schools
that
are
right
around
the
corner:
we'd
really
like
to
get
a
path
of
some
ways
that
they
can
end
up,
not
using
it
or
getting
to
the
schools
and
I
know
that's
in
part
of
the
mix
of
what
you
guys
have
been
working
on
related
to
vision
for
the
for
the
overall
area
itself.
Where
else
do
you
have
properties
in
Burlington
or
the
engine?
All
right,
six
blocks
south
of
this?
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G
My
partners
on
working
on
this
are
are
core
management,
which
is
has
done
quite
a
bit.
The
food
court
and
everything
else
downtown
here
as
well
as
rehab
Builders,
which
did
May
Jose
and
others.
So
this
is
just
the
way
we
figure
how's
another
way.
Do
we
get
more
Apartments
into
this
community
because
there's
such
a
demand
for
for
apartments
at
this
time
for
housing
and
how
do
we
get
them
to
fit
into
these
existing
neighborhoods
and,
in
reality,
we'd
like
to
do
these
Urban
infill
properties,
because
they're?
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G
Local,
we
did
a
study
for
when
we
did
Oneida
bill,
because
the
mayor
of
Graham
asked
how
many
people
you
know
are
basically
people
working
for
the
bill
for
building
it.
How
much
of
that
is
local
and
we
did
a
circle
around
it
within
40
miles.
It
was
about
60
of
our
staff,
so
we
had
met
in
London,
for
we
had
a
lot
of
so
we've
been
looked
at
the
suppliers
and
the
staff
within
40
miles.
G
We
have
about
60
percent
when
we
went
out
to
about
100
miles,
we
had
about
85
percent
and
what
we
looked
at.
Overall,
we
had
about
99
of
the
overall
costs
and
Subs
are
all
based
here
in
North
Carolina.
The
only
thing
that
wasn't
was
the
genie
appliances
which
come
from
the
big
National
firm
for
wherever
they're,
wherever
they
are
so
which
is
kind
of
fun.
When
we
did
that
math,
because.
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The
best
way
to
fix
up
their
homework
about
where
the
bills
are
well,
that
makes
sense,
because
Graham's
always
been
interest
because
Graham's
survived
without
a
train
yeah.
In
that
sense,
which
we've
always
found
fascinating,
it's
one
of
the
few
Middle
Village
type
of
locations.
It
doesn't
have
a
transfer.
B
A
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G
G
Or
we
will
have
ones
and
two
bedrooms
one's
and
two
apartments
we
found
generally,
our
our
demographics
households
are
getting
really
small,
I
started
doing
this
30
years
ago,
and
we
used
to
build
a
lot
of
properties
for
big
families,
and
we
just
don't
find
big
families
that
are
in
our
renters
in
our
communities.
Most.
E
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When
we
do
elevator
buildings,
you
have
to
have
two
elevators,
so
you
get
up
to
a
very
it
gets
very
expensive,
very
fast,
and
then
the
ongoing
maintenance
is
expensive
too,
which
is
generally
why
in
North
Carolina
we've
done
three
storage.
Lockups
we've
actually
done
some
some
Elevator
Fan
buildings
and
they're
they're
the
difficult
to
make
them
work
financially,
but
they
don't
workable
there.
E
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G
F
G
Could
go
up
three
stories
of
life,
I
think
what
we're
finding
quite
a
bit.
Sorry
to
answer
your
question
in
more
detail,
but
it's
a
good
question
because,
as
the
demographics
are
changing,
we're
finding
a
lot
of
folks
going
to
stay
in
our
communities-
and
this
is
the
puzzle
with
the
seniors-
is
in
Oneida.
We
have
some
great
examples
of
this.
People
sold
their
houses.
Windows
city
council
member's
mother
actually
moved
sold.
Her
house
moved
into
our
complex
because
they
want
to
stay
in
their
local
community,
but
they
no
longer
want
to
rule
the
lawn.
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They
don't
want
to
deal
with
having
a
house,
but
they
still
want
to
be
in
the
same
area
and
that's
why
we
love
these
Urban
info
ones,
because
you
can
stay
in
the
exact
neighborhood.
You
don't
have
to
move
out
there
by
85
or
40
and
be
in
a
property
complex
all
by
yourself.
You
can
still
be
part
of
the
community
with
these
steps
of
urban
infill
new
construction
properties.
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G
Have
not
decided
yet
We've
historically
do
Apartments.
We
do
both
Workforce
housing,
which
is
described
in
the
prior
presentation.
We
also
do
market
rate
Oneida
Mill.
When
we
did
Oneida
Mill.
We
went
down
the
path
of
both
doing
affordable,
we're
doing
market
rate
and
we've
spent
four
years
working
on
it
and
at
the
end
of
the
only
financial
one
that
worked
was
to
do
Workforce,
housing
and
because
the
logic
back
then
was
that
nobody's
ever
going
to
pay
800
for
rents
in
Ukraine
that
they
are
as.
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E
We
don't
necessarily
know.
Ultimately,
the
applicants
are
here
expressing
what
their
potential
developments
are,
but,
like
I
mentioned
with
the
other
case,
there's
no
commitments
in
terms
of
the
specific
number
of
units,
I
guess
the
term
multi-family
kind
of
involves
children
in
my
mind.
Maybe
it's
just
the.
B
They
would
take
the
current
enrollment
or
anticipate
it,
so
sometimes
we
might
get
an
inquiry
from
the
school
district.
How
many
units
have
been
approved
or
how
many
are
existence?
They
can
start
to
anticipate
the
the
man
on
their
school
system,
but
as
part
of
our
normal
development
review
process.
The
school
system
is
not
a
part
of
that
on
the
part
of
that
process.
At
the
moment
is
the
traffic
cam,
but
the
traffic
will
be
once
you
see
the
product.
B
The
traffic
and
impact
analysis
well,
they'll
come
back
for
a
free
application,
called
friends
with
more
refined
site
plan
or
vision
of
what
they
want
to
do
and
that's
when
our
transportation
department
will
likely
initiate
the
scoping
meeting
with
them
for
any
transportation
impacts.
Fair
enough
yeah,
Mr
Meister
a
couple.
E
G
That's
your
rule
of
thumb
and
you've
actually
found
that
to
be
too
much
and
Oneida.
We
have
a
lot
of
extra
purpose
spots
and
we
always
get
that
comment
about
how
come
you
guys
don't
have
enough
people
in
your
apartment.
So
it's
kind
of
like
a
way
of
just
too
many
working
spots.
We
have
a
Home
Depot
parking
spots,
which
I
think.
D
A
F
The
motion
is
based
upon
the
consistency
of
the
proposed
rezoning
with
the
comprehensive
plan
and
that
the
future
of
the
land
use
map
in
section
4
links
you.
So
the
comprehensive
plan
calls
for
this
area
to
have
traditional,
residential
and
neighborhood
commercial
uses.
The
request
is
compatible
with
the
adjacent
residential
and
Commercial
uses.
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F
B
A
D
B
A
You
for
that
Mr
Kirkpatrick
I,
do
have
a
couple
of
things,
commissioner,
agreed
to
update
or
make
any
changes
with
their
addresses
phone
numbers.
If
there's
any,
you
can
change
your
phone
number
or
email
address
needs
to
be
presented
to
Conrad.
Are
we
going
to
do
a
list
I'd
like
to
hear
your
report
on
your
list
there
for
contact
information
and
so
forth?
Yeah,
definitely
I'd
like
to
just
confirm
that
I
have
your
latest
and
greatest
contact.
B
Information,
and
also
when,
when
staff
goes
in
an
email
informing
you
of
the
that
a
meatless
upcoming,
if
you
all
can
please
respond
back
to
staff
father
by
phone
or
email
that
way,
we
know
whether
or
not
you're
going
to
be
in
attendance.
So
that
way
we
can
make
sure
that
our
alternate
member
is
is
needs
to
come
to
the
meeting
or
not.
B
So
that's
just
a
reminder
for
everyone
on
the
commission
that
pleases
respond
as
soon
as
possible,
but
we
give
you
all
a
couple
days:
just
try
to
try
to
reach
out
and
be
proactive
and
have
a
guard,
but
I
do
have
your
contact
information
I,
believe
it's
been
updated,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
have
everyone's
contact.
If
I
can
touch
base
with
you,
you.