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A
A
Here
well
present
and
if
vice
chair
random,
would
lead
us
in
the
pledge.
If.
A
A
A
A
That
has
anything
they
want
to
address
to
the
planning
commission,
that's
not
on
the
agenda
and
that
we
would
not
be
able
to
take
action
on,
but
you're
welcome
to
come
up
and
speak.
Do
we
have
any
cards
for
this
okay,
seeing
none
we'll
go
ahead
and
close
that
public
comment
period
and
move
on
to
public
hearings?
A
B
Yes,
chairman
espinoza,
our
newly
promoted
planning
manager,
jackie
lee,
will
make
the
presentation.
H
Thank
you,
chairman
espinosa
vice
chair,
vander,
muelen
members
of
the
planning,
commission,
annexation,
114
and
change
of
zone.
333
are
applications
submitted
by
jensen,
design
and
survey
to
annex
approximately
1943
square
feet
of
land
and
pre-zoned
the
property
to
rural
exclusive
one-acre
minimum
lot
size
with
the
annexation.
A
reorganization
of
districts
will
include
annexation
to
the
camarillo
sanitary
district
and
detachment
from
ventura
county
resource
conservation,
district
gold
coast,
transit,
district
and
ventura
county
service
area
number
32.,
the
project
site's
located
north
of
las
posas
road
and
also
north
of
crestview
avenue.
H
The
property
is
within
the
city's
sphere
of
influence
and
the
camarillo
urban
restriction
boundary
and
is
also
currently
designated
in
the
city's
general
plan.
As
rural
density,
residential,
two
and
a
half
acres
are
two
and
a
half
dwelling
units
per
acre
maximum
and
on
the
zoning
map,
the
property
is
actually
in
the
county
zoned
as
role
exclusive
five
acre
minimum
lot
size
and
to
the
west
of
the
project
site.
H
H
H
The
proposed
annexation
and
free
zoning
is
in
keeping
with
the
guidelines
for
orderly
development,
as
adopted
by
the
ventura
local
agency
formation,
commission
lafco
for
short
and
the
city
as
the
annexation
area
is
adjacent
to
the
city
limits.
It
is
within
the
city's
sphere
of
influence
and
the
curb
and
will
not
result
in
creating
an
unincorporated
island.
H
The
project
was
reviewed
in
accordance
with
sequa
and
state
sql
guidelines,
as
well
as
the
city's
environmental
guidelines
and
was
determined
to
be
categorically
exempt
from
the
provisions
of
sql
under
class
20
annexations
of
existing
facilities
and
lots
for
exempt
facilities.
Sql
guidelines,
section
15319,
therefore,
no
additional
environmental
review
is
necessary.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
for
that
report.
We'll
start
by
opening
up
to
commissioners
for
questions
of
staff,
good.
I
Time,
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
about.
First
off
the
maps
I'm
a
little
confused
of
which
problem
that
seems
to
me
to
differ
a
little
bit
from
the
exhibit
we
have
in
the
staff
report.
E
I
Okay,
so
what
confuses
me
is
there
are
two
lots
off
of
crestview
drive
that
that's
actually
encino
lane,
I
guess,
and
there
the
yellow
stripe
goes
down
parallel
to
one
side
of
that
property.
I
Okay,
so
the
purpose
of
this
is
to
provide
access
to
that
what
appears
to
be
a
barren
site
up
there
now
is
that
site
in
the
county
or
in
the
city.
I
In
the
county,
okay,
so
that
leads
me
to
believe
that
the
yellow
stripe
is
in
the
county
and
the
edge
the
left
edge
of
that
line
is
in
the
city
or
adjacent
it's
county
land,
and
so
what
we're
doing
is
we're
reviewing
a
transfer
of
that
property
to
the
city
and,
of
course,
eliminating
the
various
districts
that
are
overlay,
that
from
the
county
and
then
coming
in
with
the
sanitation
district
for
the
city.
Okay,
all
right
do
we
have
anything
that
indicates
the
county
has
reviewed
this
and
approved
it.
H
I
do
have
a
letter
from
the
county.
They
had
reviewed
a
request
for
the
lot
line
adjustment.
You
know,
with
the
caveat
that
this
has
to
be
annexed,
so
they
did
approve
that
lot
line
adjustment
with
pretty
much
the
condition
that
the
city
approves
the
annexation.
H
So
they
are
on
board
with
that,
and
I
have
both
the
applicant
and
the
city
have
both
email
correspondences
with
the
with
lafco,
explaining
the
proposed
annexation
and
lafco
has
provided
an
email
that
gave
the
specific
reorganization
of
those
districts
and
they
did
not
have
any
concerns.
I
Okay,
all
right,
so
there
is
a
an
agreement
with
the
county
and
the
county
has
approved
the
lot
line.
Adjustment
already.
H
I
F
F
A
couple
of
rally
more
just
confirming
my
understanding
on
a
couple
items
here
that
the
property
just
to
the
north
of
the
northerly
terminus
of
this
lot
line
adjustment.
That
will
also
be
a
lot
line
adjustment,
but
that's
all
within
the
county.
Is
that
correct
to
get
up
to
that
to
get
up
to
that
northerly
lot,
there's
a
separate
little
piece
there
right
right,
okay
and
that's
all
conducted
separately
with,
and
is
that
ongoing
at
this
time
or
what
is
the
sequence
there
is
that
everything
happens
at
the
same
time,.
H
F
Okay
and
then
the
second
thing
is
just
wanted
to
confirm
that
that
the
property
owner
or
the
applicant
was
aware
that
there
were
different
options
available
to
them.
One
would
be
possibly
to
to
secure
a
five-foot,
roadway,
easement
and
thereby
circumvent
that
the
lla
and
the
annexation
and
zone
change
and
they've
weighed
those
options
and
have
concluded
that
this
is
the
best
option
for
them.
Is
that
correct.
H
That's
correct:
the
staff
had
had
conversations
with
the
applicant
as
to
maybe
exploring
those
different
options.
H
Procedurally,
it
would
have
been
much
quicker
and
easier,
perhaps
going
that
route,
but
it
was
the
applicant's
decision
to
want
to
pursue
this
option
from
what
I
was
told
was
that
they
didn't
want
to
have
encumber
this
with
too
many
easements
with
multiple
easements
providing
access
to
this
property,
and
so
by
moving
that
lot
line
annexing
it,
they
would
have
the
existing
easement
that
goes
over
the
driveway
modified
to
just
widen
it,
so
it
would
still
be
under
one
property
owner,
not
two.
F
D
D
D
Kind
of
a
roundabout
thinking
of
mine,
if
they
really
wanted
to
what
I
see
they
kind
of,
had
to
look
at
as
possibilities.
If
they
wanted
that
one
road
area
expanded
and
all
under
one
jurisdiction,
they
either
had
to
move
the
city
line
or
move
the
county
line
to
get
it
all
other.
So
you
would
be
annexing
either
one
side
or
the
other
side
to
get
it
there.
So
this
seems
to
make
probably
the
most
sense
to
me
from
what
I'm
reading
and
what
I'm
hearing
do
they
have.
D
I
don't
know
that
I
mean
I
missed
it.
If
it's
in
the
pack
and
I
apologize,
what
are
the?
Are
there
future
plans
for
the
project
site
too?
I
think
it's
the
north
or
the
back
that
they're
trying
to
get
to.
Is
that
going
to
be
up
for
subdivision
or
is
that
still
going
to
be
agriculture
or
since
it's
going
to
the
residential
zoning
code,
eventually,
possibly.
H
To
this
big
property
here
on
the
yeah,
this
is
in
the
county
zone.
Re
5,
acre
that
zoning
wouldn't
change.
Okay
and
the
applicant
has
indicated
indicated,
although
they
have
not,
they
don't
have
any
plans
that
this
property
owner
is
considering
building
a
house,
a
single-family
house,
although
city's
not
seeing
any
plans
either
and.
D
A
I
have
a
couple
questions,
so
it's
curious
that
they
at
some
point
the
one
green
rectangular
shaped
city
jurisdiction
there.
Where
the
line
is
they
included
the
driveway
that
we
were
talking
about
at
some
point
and
annexed
that
and
made
that
part
of
the
city,
the
driveway
itself.
That
will
serve
that
northern
lot
property
in
question.
A
Okay,
okay,
so
the
driveway
is
owned
by
that
breath.
Okay,
that's
how
that
happened.
Okay
and
so
we're
just
talking
about
the
project
area-
is
1900
plus
square
feet.
389
feet
long.
Five
foot
wide
on
the
east
side
of
that
driveway,
adding
an
additional
five
feet
to
the
driveway.
Basically,
is
that
right,
correct,
correct,
okay
and
then
so?
There's
no.
A
A
I
mean
the
intent
was
there
in
terms
of
the
policy,
but
it
didn't
really
have
a
lot
of
direction
as
to
how
you
maybe
convinced
them
to
actually
annex
and
what
the
procedure
might
be.
You
know,
because,
as
a
somebody
who's
in
the
county,
if
I'm
approached
by
somebody
from
the
city
saying
hey,
are
you
interested
in
annexing?
I'd
probably
want
to
know
you
know?
What's
my
tax
bill
going
to
look
like
going
forward,
you
know:
what's
the
service
going
to
be
how's,
that
going
to
change?
Is
it
going
to
be
better?
A
It's
going
to
be
worse,
it's
going
to
be
cheaper
or
less
expensive
tax
wise.
It
could
be
the
same
or
more
so
it
seems
like
that.
Policy
ought
to
maybe
incorporate
something,
or
maybe
it
requires
us
meeting
with
lafco
to
maybe
get
some
direction
from
them
to
add
some
section
in
that
policy
to
to
give
more
clear
direction
as
to
how
we
might
encourage
people.
H
That's
a
good
comment:
it's
been
our
past
practice
and
we
did
do
it
in
this
case
also
that
we
prepared
a
let's
see
kind
of
like
a
data
sheet,
a
two-page
data
sheet
that
talks
about
what
the
difference
would
be.
You
know
if
they
were
to
remain
in
the
county
versus
be
annexed
into
the
city,
tax
implications,
any
changes
to
trash
service,
and
so
we
did
provide
that
information
in
the
letter
that
went
to
these
property
owners.
A
Okay
and
then,
lastly,
the
so
we
would
make
be
reckon
making
a
recommendation
to
the
council
to
approve
this,
and
it
still
needs
to
go
before
the
county
supervisor's
body
for
approval
and
then
to
lafco.
Is
that.
H
So
yeah
the
council
would
be,
if
you
recommended
to
the
council
approval,
then
we
would
take
a
resolution
to
the
council
approving
that
the
city
in
initiate
or
submit
an
application
for
annexation
to
lafco
okay.
H
And
by
the
way
I
just
wanted
to
correct
on
the
this
on
the
vicinity,
map
that
was
attached
to
your
report
is
is
incorrect.
Thank
you
for
pointing
that
out.
The
correct
one
is
the
one
on
page
four
of
your
agenda
report
and
then
the
one
that
was
attached
behind
it
does
show
that
the
yellow
bar
in
the
wrong
location,
it
should
have
been
shifted
over
slightly
to
the
east.
A
E
H
Yes,
we
we
did
get
maybe
three
property
owners
that
either
called
or
emailed
me,
and
they
you
know
after
kind
of
explaining
to
them
or
or
just
providing
them
with
more
information.
H
Right
correct:
we
we
did
provide
contact
information
if
they
were
interested.
If
you
know
if
they
were
interested
to
contact,
but
they
didn't
have
to
contact
me
if
they
were
not.
D
Jackie
back
to
my
lot
question:
so,
are
you
saying
because
what
I'm
looking
at,
where
the
green
blot
the
lot
is,
I
can
see
two
yellow
dividing
lines
to
where
it
looks
like
it's
possibly,
three
lots
above
and
you
know
just
above
encino
avenue.
The
house
is
along
encino
avenue
in
valley,
vista
or
whatever.
The
street
is
so
that
green,
no
below
that
and
over
to
the
left
there.
D
D
H
There's
two
houses
on
these
two
lots:
okay,
and
this
lot
is
vacant
and
this
property
owner,
I
believe
the
last
name
is
luke
casey
is
the
owner
of
the
driveway
parcel
as
well.
Okay,.
A
Any
additional
questions:
okay
with
that
we'll
go
ahead
and
open
up
the
public
comment
period
for
this
item,
and
if
the
applicant
would
like
to
address
the
commission-
and
we
do
have
speaker
cards,
thank
you-
does
the
applicant
want
to
come
forward.
G
Hi,
my
name
is
nicole
garner,
I
work
for
jensen,
design
and
survey
and
we
represent
the
applicant.
I
think
that
jackie
did
a
great
job
with
the
presentation
and
I
have
nothing
to
add,
but
I'm
here,
if
you
have
questions.
A
E
C
Noticed
and
I'm
going
to
read
a
letter
of
copy,
of
which
mr
jackie
lee
has
my
wife,
laura
mcavoy
and
I
are
owner
occupants
of
40
encino
avenue,
camarillo
california,
which
is
directly
across
the
street
from
the
edo
property
to
all
concerned
in
the
above
projects,
my
wife,
laura
mcavoy,
and
I
fully
support
the
requests
of
our
35
encino
avenue,
neighbors
the
ido
brothers,
as
stated
in
your
notice
to
us
this
one,
our
family
has
been
one
of
the
first
residences
in
the
las
posas
estates
for
over
60
years
and
are
familiar
with
the
requirements
of
land
development
and
based
upon
our
neighborly
contacts
with
the
edo
family
and
aware
of
their
stewardship
of
the
lands
as
a
leading
agricultural
family
in
ventura
county
are
confident
that
the
requested
developments
will
be
beneficial
to
all
involved
in
the
surrounding
properties.
C
C
So,
subsequent
to
this,
I
would
like
to
be
able
to
get
that
full
package
for
the
details
for
our
future.
Look
for
your
unofficial
information
that
vacant
lot.
That's
in
the
county
at
the
north
end
of
that
driveway
has
been
under
full
development
for
a
single
family,
large
home,
and
there
is
not
going
to
be
any
doubt
about
that.
Being
an
improvement
in
the
area.
A
Okay,
no
thank
you
so
much
for
your
comments,
mr
shoshan.
J
E
D
Well,
I
look
at
it
as
kind
of
the
first
step
in
a
process,
and
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
we've
been
given
all
the
steps
there
look
like
they're
going
to
follow
throughout
because
then
it's
like.
I
can
kind
of
picture
what's
going
to
happen
in
the
future
because
of
this,
because
it's
not
a
one-and-done
deal
here
so,
but
it
has
been
approved
by
all
the
parties
involved
and
looked
at
so
I
can
approve
this
as
it
goes,
and
I
look
forward
to
the
further
changes
that
go
with
it.
A
Now
I
also
can
approve
the
proposal
to
move
forward
with
the
annexation.
I
do
want
to
see
if
any
of
my
fellow
commissioners
might
share
my.
I
guess
you
could
say
suggestion.
Since
we
did,
you
only
had
three
responses
out
of
31.
I
still
feel
like.
A
There
would
be
beneficial,
at
least
as
us
as
a
body,
to
recommend
a
council
to
to
maybe
consider
possibility
of
adding
to
the
council
policy
on
annexation
about
whether
there's
something
in
there
section
that
maybe
needs
to
be
added
for
costs,
benefit
review
or
something
to
that
effect,
or
maybe
meeting
with
lafco
staff
to
see
what
makes
the
most
sense,
but
just
not
just
it's
our
intent
that
we
want
to
see
when
possible,
to
add
people.
But
but
can
we
describe
some
sort
of
process
for
doing
that
and
getting
there.
A
A
A
Okay.
Next
item
is
item
c
ipd
industrial
plan
development,
406
dawson
storage,
to
adopt
a
resolution.
A
B
Chairman
espinoza
first,
I
kind
of
like
to
just
kind
of
start
off
a
little
bit.
This
is
a
long
project.
That's
been
in
the
works
for
before
I
even
started
with
the
city,
and
I've
been
with
the
city
just
shy
of
seven
years
now,
so
it
started
with
actually
parceling
off
a
piece
of
railroad
property
and
then
they're
the
railroads
not
known
to
be
well
they're,
known
to
be
I'll,
just
say
a
little
difficult
or
they
have
a
process.
B
I'll
just
say
that
process
to
go
through
and
personally
not
the
land.
So
the
the
first
step
was
to
to
parcel
off
the
land
and
make
it
developable.
So
the
developer
can
control
it
and
kind
of
drive
the
process
a
little
bit
more.
So
that
was
a
win
to
start
off
and
we
worked
with
the
developer
very
well
on
that,
and
that
was
like,
I
said,
kind
of
a
long
process.
B
The
the
parcel
itself
is
an
infill
parcel,
very
long
and
narrow
and
a
challenging.
You
know
piece
of
development,
but
you
know
working
with
the
the
applicant
and
staff
and
the
architect.
We
feel
that
you
know
we're
very
excited
to
bring
this.
You
know
to
you
for
consideration
and
to
provide
more
detail
on
this
project.
Is
our
senior
planner,
paul
mclaren.
K
Good
evening,
chairman
espinoza,
vice
chairman
vander
muelen
commissioners,
so
the
project
for
you
tonight
is
ipd
406,
which
is
dawson
storage.
K
The
metairie
llc
requests
approval
for
the
construction
of
a
three-story,
64
743
square
foot,
self-storage
facility
that
has
tuck
under
parking.
That's
located
at
91,
south
dawson
drive
on
the
map
on
the
left.
You
see
the
general
plan,
land
use
and
the
red
outline
in
the
center
of
that
is
the
parcel
in
question.
K
K
Apartments
is
the
reddish
brown
property
to
the
left
of
that
to
the
right
on
the
other
side
of
the
industrial
is
the
cayegas
neighborhood,
and
that
is
a
mix
of
low
medium
density,
residential
and
single
family,
residential
and
then
the
zoning
is
the
map
on
the
right
and
again,
the
property
is
in
the
middle,
and
that
is
the
service,
commercial
zoning
and
then
again
we
have
a
mix
of
rpd
and
single
family
residential
to
the
right
and
to
the
west
and
then
industrial
to
the
south,
and
then
the
rural
exclusive
for
the
saint
mary's
school
and
high
density,
or,
I
should
say
rpd30u
for
the
lynn
park
apartments
and
then
it's
to
the
north.
K
So
the
project
is
a
1.42
acre
lot
located
just
south
of
the
101
freeway,
it's
west
of
dawson,
drive
and
east
of
the
railroad
tracks.
So
you
can
see
the
railroad
right
of
way
here
and
then
dawson
drive
and
a
little
bit
the
very
tip
of
this
long,
narrow
project
actually
tucks
under
the
lewis
road
overpass.
K
This
is
a
view
of
the
project
as
it
currently
exists.
Looking
southwest
from
dawson
drive,
it's
currently
being
used
to
store
some
of
the
transit
vehicles,
buses
that
sort
of
thing,
and
it's
got
some
existing
buildings
that
have
been
there
for
quite
some
time
from
back
when
it
was
railroad,
property.
K
K
K
K
K
In
2016
those
dawson
drive
guidelines
were
updated
and
then
in
2017
we've
been
working
with
the
applicant
originally
from
2010
on
a
transit
related
facility,
and
then
in
2017,
as
david
had
mentioned,
the
railroad
was
finally
able
to
help
to
create
a
tentative
map.
Ld
536,
which
actually
created
the
project
lot
separating
us,
the
property
from
some
railroad
property
that
was
accessed
and
the
city
continued
to
discuss
a
transit
facility
with
the
developer.
K
K
The
design
concept
actually
would
have
required
a
19-foot
dedication
in
order
to
be
able
to
bring
into
fruition
the
road
cross
section,
that's
shown
in
the
design
concept,
but
that
would
have
made
this
property
only
have
a
developable
width
of
84
feet,
which
really
was
not
going
to
be
conducive
to
being
able
to
develop
much
of
anything.
So
the
city
working
with
the
developer
in
an
agreement
basically
created
a
15-foot
easement
at
the
front
of
the
property
that
will
help
to
achieve
that
design
concept.
K
So
when
the
final
map
actually
recorded
in
2019,
this
is
the
easement
that
was
actually
recorded.
So
you
can
see
on
the
right
here.
There
is
the
four
foot
dedication
is
shown
as
this
thin
white
line,
and
then
this
is
the
actual
easement
area,
and
this
easement
was
created
kind
of
jagged
like
this,
because
there
are
still
existing
buildings
on
the
property
and
the
easement
was
gone
around
went
around
those
buildings
in
order
to
allow
the
developer
to
keep
the
buildings
for
the
time
being.
K
K
K
The
property
itself
has
got
a
long,
narrow
building.
It's
got
tuck
under
parking.
There
is
also
additional
parking
along
the
property
edge
of
the
back
and
that's
where
they've
gone
ahead
and
put
the
loading
required.
Loaning
zones
is
an
office
for
a
rental
office
for
the
facility.
Here
there
is
parking
available
for
people
who
want
to
use
that
rental
office
to
you
know,
negotiate
their
rent
on
the
pro
on
the
space,
and
there
is
also
a
commercial
element
of
about
16,
almost
1700
square
feet.
K
The
parking
that's
tucked
under
would
be
considered
well,
it
would
be
converted
to
be
used
for
boat,
trailer,
storage,
trailer
storage
and
rv
storage,
so
that
the
the
applicant
went
that
way
would
be
able
to
get
additional
funds
or
additional
income
off
of
being
able
to
use
that
parking
for
vehicle
storage,
recreational
vehicle
storage.
K
So,
with
the
size
of
a
building,
we
went
ahead
and
we
calculated
that
self
storage
requires
parking
at
one
to
five
hundred
square.
One
parking
space
per
500
square
feet,
which
would
have
required
79
parking
stalls
and
the
commercial
section
would
require
at
1
676
feet
would
require
seven
parking
stalls
which
would
give
a
requirement
of
86
stalls,
but
the
property
can
really
only
fit
79
stalls,
and
so
that's
what's
shown
on
the
property.
K
But
since
most
of
the
prop
most
of
the
parking
spaces
are
actually
going
to
be
converted
to
recreational
vehicle
storage.
It
was
deemed
that
an
eight
percent
reduction,
as
allowed
by
the
city's
code
by
the
director
in
the
city
code
would
be
appropriate
for
this
use.
So,
rather
than
so,
this
would
include
an
eight
percent
reduction
in
required
parking.
K
The
setbacks
again,
this
is
using
for
the
front
yard
setback
which
is
required
at
a
minimum
15
feet.
It
is
going
to
be
using
that
landscaping
easement
to
achieve
that
front
yard
setback,
so
that
is
the
applicant's
property
still
at
the
rear
yard.
There
is
an
a
minimum
rear
yard
setback
of
20
feet
and
they're
providing
32
feet.
K
That's
in
order
to
be
able
to
provide
additional
parking,
as
well
as
a
fire
access
lane
behind
the
building,
then,
on
the
on
the
south
end
of
the
property,
there's
a
zero
foot
setback
requirement,
but
there's
a
200
foot
setback,
that's
being
provided
because
the
property
you
know
comes
to
a
narrow
point
and
then
on
the
north
side
of
the
property.
There's
also
a
zero
side
yard
setback,
but
they're
providing
39
feet,
two
inches
as
a
setback
on
the
north
end
of
the
property.
K
So
here's
the
project
description
on
the
bottom
here
you
can
see
a
little
bit
closer
view
of
how
the
actual
building
will
lay
on
the
lot
cut
off
the
tip
down
here
a
little
bit.
So
you
can
see
the
commercial
space
is
in
here.
The
office
spaces
in
here
all
of
this
tuck
under
parking
in
here
the
people
who
are
going
to
be
using
this
facility
will
be
able
to
park
here
in
order
to
be
able
to
access
the
offices
and
commercial.
K
There
is
handicapped
parking
provided
and
the
ada
accessibility
paths
of
travel,
and
then
there
also
will
be
parking
here
for
people
who
want
to
offload
their.
You
know
personal
belongings
and
take
it
into
elevators
here
and
here
in
order
to
be
able
to
take
it
up
to
the
second
and
third
floor
where
the
storage
facilities
are
actually
located,
and
then
this
view
we're
seeing
here
is
the
rendering
so
the
original
picture
I
showed
you
was
dawson
drive
looking
southwest.
K
K
And
then
these
are
other
renderings
of
other
facades
or
other
from
different
angles.
The
property
or
the
the
top
one
is
looking
north
along
dawson
drive,
and
so
with
this
building
being
such
a
long
narrow
lot,
it's
required
to
be
really
narrow,
but
really
long.
And
if
it
was
just
kept
as
a
35
foot
tall
box,
it
would
be
very
uninteresting-
and
I
dare
say
boring,
but
the
architect
mr
pettit,
has
done
a
great
job
of
artik,
putting
in
articulations
along
here
and
using
a
lot
of
different
materials.
K
So
anything
that
you
see
that
goes
above
35
feet
is
really
just
a
parapet:
wall
of
different
heights
or
a
faux
chimney
which
are
just
architectural
features:
they're
using
arched
roofs,
tile,
roofing,
decorative
cornices.
They
have
scalloped
overhangs,
like
I
said,
the
faux
chimneys
and
so
a
lot
of
wonderful
elements
from
the
spanish
colonial
revival
style,
and
then
the
architect
did
not
spare
the
back
side
of
the
building,
which
will
be
visible
from
lewis.
Road
and
also
from
the
railroad
tracks,
with
the
screening
that's
going
to
be
going
in
along
the
railroad.
K
You
won't
actually
be
able
to
see
the
untuck
under
parking
and
you'll
just
be
able
to
see
the
top
of
the
building,
which
you
know
also.
The
architect
has
put
in
a
lot
of
architectural
details
along
this,
so
that
it
makes
it
look
like
it's
a
lot
of
little
smaller
individual
buildings
rather
than
one
giant
building,
and
then
this
is
from
the
south
side.
Looking
from
the
railroad
looking
to
the
north,
this
is
what
the
building
would
look
like
from
that
direction,
so
really
as
you're
pulling
on
louis.
K
This
is
kind
of
the
view
you're
going
to
be
seeing
and
then
a
cross
section
of
the
property.
It's
got
a
the
it's
got
a
14
foot
distance
between
the
grade
here
and
where
the
tuck
under
parking
begins.
So
the
vehicles
will
be
able
to
drive
their
rvs
under
this
even
into
the
building,
and
then
there
will
be
garage
doors
that
come
down
and
then
on.
K
So
the
city,
the
staff,
is
recommending
adoption
of
a
resolution
approving
ipd
406,
subject
to
the
recommended
conditions
of
approval.
The
actions
of
the
planning
commission
is
fine
unless
the
appeal
is
filed
within
10
days
of
the
date
of
this
action,
and
with
that
my
presentation
is
over.
Thank
you.
F
Yes,
a
couple
things:
there
was
some
discussion
in
the
staff
report
about
that
15-foot
landscaping
and
how,
on
the
the
previous
application,
which
had
public
benefit,
the
city
would
have
participated
in
the
cost
of
that
landscaping.
This
is
the
frontage
on
along
dawson.
I
just
wanted
to
confirm
that,
because
the
applicant
had
questions
about
that,
that
that
there
are
no
further
questions
about
that
that
the
the
applicant
is
accepting
that
this
is
not
a
public
benefit
project
and
that
that
they
will
be
footing
the
bill
for
that
landscaping.
G
K
F
Okay,
great
looking
at
the
engineering
site
plan,
I
had
a
question
about
the
drainage
detention.
It's
a
rather
large
facility
and
my
understanding
is,
it
hasn't
been
completely
worked
out
yet
on
the
details.
But
it's
something
like
107
feet.
Long
by
20,
feet
wide
or
14
feet
wide
and
4
foot
deep.
F
F
G
A
Okay,
I
I
want
to
ask.
L
C
E
A
I
think
main
question
I
have
for
the
project.
I
mean
I
really
appreciated
all
the
work
that
went
into
trying
to
come
up
with
a
concept
design
to
fit
that
piece
of
property
in
the
configuration
that's
in,
but
I
have
a
and
I've
got
well
set
packs.
Yes,
this
is
a
perfect
table.
I
wanted
to
refer
to
so
the
setbacks.
A
I
want
to
know
how
we
square
the
minimum
rear
yard,
set
back
to
there's
a
condition
in
the
list
of
conditions
number
97
that
I
want
to
see
if
you
might
be
able
to
look
at
that-
and
I
want
to
see
how
that
squares
with
the
setbacks
shown
on
this
table
here,
because
I
do
have
a
concern
about
the
rear
yard
set
back.
K
Okay,
so
what
has
happened
here
is
with
the
fire
department,
with
the
consultation
with
the
fire
department.
What
they
have
done
is
they
have
gone
ahead
and
said
that,
because
this
is
within
15
feet
of
dawson
drive
that
the
aerial
fire
access
will
actually
be
from
dawson
drive.
It
won't
be
necessary
to
be
from
the
rear
yard
or
from
the
rear
of
the
building.
A
A
K
Right
so
yes,
this
building
being
three
stories
and
35
feet.
It
would
require
aerial
access
and
it
needs
a
30
foot
drive.
But
the
fire
department
has
said
that
they
will
be
able
to
take
that
access
off
of
dawson
drive,
so
they
would
pull
up
to
the
curb
on
dawson
drive
and
that's
where
they
would
be
able
to
access
the
building
to
the
roof
of
the
building.
Yeah.
K
A
A
K
It
does
it
does
not
because
the
reason
they
need
the
30
feet
is
so
that
they
have
the
ability
to
deploy
the
the
ladder
truck
right.
So
that
needs
to
be
far
enough
back
from
the
building,
and
so
they
would
deploy
the
ladder
truck
from
dawson
drive.
They
wouldn't
pull
it
into
the
drive
vial,
but
the
dry
vial.
I
can
actually
move
down
to
oh
back
it
up
one.
K
If
you
see
there
is
here,
there
is
more
than
30
feet
from
the
property
line
to
the
facade
of
the
building,
and
so
this
this
space
here
is
considered
to
be
the
access
aisle.
That's
30
feet
because
it's
under
the
building
partially.
So
you
have
a
distance
here
of
over
32
feet,
and
so
that's
the
fire
access.
K
A
M
K
Yeah,
I
definitely
understand
the
process
of
this
process.
Review
or
project
review
is
that
we
send
every
single
submittal
to
the
fire
department
for
their
comments.
The
comments
come
back
from
the
fire
department
and
the
applicant
adjusts
to
those
comments.
So
the
fire
department
has
seen
the
submittal
or
seen
this
project
about
five
different
times
and
at
the
end
they
said
we
feel
this
project
is
complete
and
with
the
conditions
of
approval
that
we've
provided,
which
are
the
ones
that
are
before
you
today.
K
A
K
A
I
I
I
see
a
nod
that
it?
Yes,
it
probably
is.
I
J
I
All
right
is
there
any,
while
the
exterior
architecture
shows
a
number
of
things
that
look
like
windows
fenestration
we're
not.
Is
there
any
natural
light
that
gets
in
on
the
second
and
third
floors,
or
is
it
all
artificial
light
now.
K
I
K
Yeah
there
was
a
phase
one
study
done
on
the
property.
When
was
a
it
was
prior
to
the
land,
the
subdivision
map
being
done
so
prior
to
2017.
I
don't
have
the
exact
date.
I
K
Now
so
I
think
that
you
misunderstood
so
in
this
particular
section
here.
The
building
is
this:
is
the
rear
of
the
building
that's
being
shown
yeah.
I
K
This
is
the
front
of
the
building
they're,
just
not
showing
the
middle
to
save
space
on
paper,
but
the
building
the
the
vehicles
would
only
be
able
to
enter
through.
I
K
And
if
you
look
at
the
layout
of
the
property,
the
park,
all
the
parking
spaces
are
angled
to
allow
the
backing
out
to
be
easier
and-
and
they
have
plenty
of
they'll-
have
plenty
of
room
to
be
able
to
back
out
yeah.
K
I
Some
sort
of
vehicle
I
get
that
I
just
wasn't
sure
if
there
were
any
doors
on
the
front.
Okay,
is
there
any?
Are
there
any
windows
in
that
front
wall,
or
is
that
a
big
dark
box?
The.
K
I
I
A
I
have
one
additional
question
for
as
far
as
the
electrical
that's
going
to
be
put
underground,
is
that
going
to
occur
before
the
construction
begins
on
yeah.
K
G
A
Will
be
done?
Okay,
okay,
great
any
other
questions.
First
off
seeing
none,
we
will
go
ahead
and
open
the
public
comment
period
for
this
agenda
item.
If
the
applicant
would
like
to
address
the
commission.
N
Good
evening,
chair
planning,
commission
members,
my
name
is
mark
pettit,
I'm
with
lotterbach
and
associates
architects,
and
I'm
a
resident
of
camarillo
and
I've
been
working
on
this
project
for
a
little
over
eight
years
and
we're
excited
to
be
here
tonight.
Believe
me
and
I'd
like
to
also
thank
staff.
You
know
paul
and
dave
and
all
the
other
staff
here
that
really
have
helped
us
through
a
lot
of
discussion
on
many
many
many
points
so,
as
was
mentioned
earlier,
project
is
located
on
railroad
property.
N
N
So
we
designed
the
building
to
take
a
look
at
and
include
potential
for
some
office,
some
retail,
maybe
even
a
small
micro
brewery,
tasting
room.
That's
why
we
have
the
outside
patio.
So
we
really
are
trying
to
take
a
look
at
this
to
have
a
lot
of
different
things
happen
as
much
as
we
can
up
at
the
front
of
the
building.
So
you
will
have
windows
and
access
into
that
front
landscape
area.
N
Our
architecture
is
not
cookie
cutter.
It's
not
repetitious,
it's
not
the
same
color,
it's
not
the
same
materials.
It's
not
the
same
storage
building.
Look
that
you
see
throughout
ventura
county.
We
really
wanted
to
do
something
a
little
bit
above
and
beyond
a
little
bit
something
special
and
not
what
you
see
elsewhere
in
the
city,
we
do
meet
the
heritage,
design
requirements.
N
The
property
is
secure.
We
have
plenty
of
parking,
the
landscape
will
be
drought,
tolerant
and
along
the
back
of
the
building.
As
was
mentioned,
we
have
the
same
decorative
columns
and
rail
with
the
green
screen.
So
we're
really
trying
to
make
the
experience
as
people
come
in
on
the
train
to
kind
of
see
a
nice
experience,
since
it
is
across
from
the
railroad
station.
N
Our
building's
design
is
designed
to
meet
green
building
code
standards
and
very
energy
efficient,
and
when
the
time
it's
finished,
it'll
be
very
close
to
a
leed
silver
rated
building,
very
energy
efficient,
as
mentioned
drought,
tolerant
landscaping
and
the
water
use
for
the
building
is
very
minimal.
In
fact,
it's
very,
very
consistent
with
the
plumbing
that
was
in
the
buildings
that
were
torn
down,
so
we
really
took
that
to
heart
and
aren't
really
increasing
the
water
use
at
all.
N
N
So
we're
excited
to
get
this
going
on
to
the
next
phase
and
hope
that
you
will
support
it.
I
did
want
to
answer
if
I
could
a
couple
of
the
questions
as
far
as
the
fire
department
we've
met,
I'm
guessing
a
dozen
times
with
the
fire
department,
with
at
least
three
or
four
people
at
the
fire
department
and,
as
was
mentioned
earlier,
the
aerial
truck
on
dawson.
N
But
we
do
have
access
as
you
pull
in
on
the
side
where
the
office
is
a
fire
truck,
can
pull
in
there
and
because
our
building
is
completely
sprinklered.
We
have
a
hose
distance
so
that
people
can
access
fire,
hydrants
or
fire
trucks
all
around
the
building
without
even
really
going
to
the
back.
But
we
have
designed
it
also
that
they
can
go
in
through
the
back
and
because
the
building
is
not
very
deep.
N
As
far
as
access
through
stairs
and
emergency
purposes,
all
of
our
stairs
are
going
to
be
rated
for
exiting,
and
we
do
have
some
stairs
that
do
access
along
the
front
on
dawson,
but
from
a
security
point
of
view,
we
wanted
to
keep
all
of
the
access
off
of
the
back.
This
will
be
a
secure,
gated
camera.
N
As
far
as
climate
control,
we
are
planning
on
conditioning
the
building
and
in
addition
to
that,
one
of
the
things
that
we're
proposing
would
be
a
wine
cooled
storage
area
on
the
ground
floor,
something
that
we
have
seen
in
other
communities
and
really
we
don't
have
too
much
of
that
here
in
camarillo.
So
we
thought
that
would
be
something
that
could
be
a
benefit
and
could
be
of
need.
N
The
rest
of
the
the
fenestration
is
going
to
be
spandrel
glass
and
we've
designed
the
building
to
look
like
a
series
of
two-story
buildings,
even
though
it
is
three-story
so
you'll
see,
the
windows
are
there's
just
a
second
floor
window.
It's
not
three
stores
stories
of
windows,
hazardous
materials.
Paul
was
correct.
We
did
do
a
study
on
that.
There
were
no
nothing
there
at
all.
N
D
D
N
The
way
that
it's
set
up
is
the
units
are
typically
eight
feet.
They
have
a
mesh
screen
on
top
of
them,
so
that
people
don't
hang
clothes
hangers
on
top
of
a
fire
sprinkler.
So
there
is
that
kind
of
screen
so
that
water
can
come
down.
If
there
is
a
problem
and
it's
it's
serviced
that
way
so
from
the
from
that
drop-down
screen
ceiling
lights
will
be
above
that
and
then
sprinklers
and
then
the
structure.
So,
okay,
it's
we
try
to
make
it
as
tight
as
we
can.
Okay.
D
I
kind
of
was
assuming
they
would
each
be,
but
I
just
wanted
to
ask
to
make
sure
that
was
verified
on
the
larger
parking
areas
that
you
call
the
tandem
areas.
Those
would
still
be
rented
to
one
occupant
not
divided
up
to
two
different
occupants.
N
D
N
D
N
D
N
D
I'm
thinking
of
places
where
I've
set
outside
at
some
of
the
restaurants
along
the
freeway
and
you
sit
outside
and
it's
noisy
and
you
get
the
fumes
from
the
freeway
and
you
may
have
to
maybe
get
some
consideration
even
to
put
a
planted
screen
in
front
or
something
like
that
to
kind
of
block.
Some
of
that.
If
you
really
want
people
to
sit
out
there
and
enjoy.
N
We're
open
to
all
those
recommendations
as
long
as
it
fits
in
with
the
code
we're
okay.
N
D
G
K
D
Yeah
I
mean
overall,
I'm
kind
of
surprised
to
see
another
storage
building
going
in
because
we've
had
so
many
storage
buildings.
We've
got
one
large
one,
that's
still
under
construction,
but
what
you
have
to
offer
for
the
vehicle
parking
and
the
rv
parking
and
stuff
we
don't
have
enough
of
so
that's
kind
of
a
plus
in
this
one.
In
that
I
know,
that's
lacking
you
know
in
other
storage
areas,
or
you
know
in
through
camareos
as
a
whole,
so.
N
D
Well,
like
I
say
I
did
have
to
take
advantage
of
what
for
a
while
when
I
moved
out
here,
while
I
was
kind
of
living
under
construction
and
needed
to
have
my
place
empty
so,
but
now
everything
is
back
there,
but
yeah.
I
just
like
I
say
I
was
a
little
surprised
that
we
have
enough
need
for
another
storage
area,
but
I
am
glad
to
see
the
rv
parking
and
it
will
be
enclosed
and
covered
and
you
know
protected
not
just
out
in
a
parking
lot.
D
So
that
is
a
huge
benefit.
I
think
for
the
city,
and
I
think
that
is
oh,
I
get
the
concept,
but
the
term
how
tuck
under
parking
just
means
something
enclosed
underneath
or
is
there.
D
D
I
Yes,
one
question:
well
maybe
two
do
you
know
yet
what
your
structure
is
going
to
be
on
this?
What
I
mean
is:
are
you
going
to
have
to
drive
pile,
or
are
you
going
to
have
a
spread
footing.
N
F
Yes,
it
may
be
for
mark,
or
maybe
for
the
for
the
owner.
We
talked
a
little
bit
about
that.
Landscaping,
ease
meant
the
the
frontage
landscaping
easement
and
whether
there
was
full
agreement
with
what
would
start
as
condition
one
that
the
owner
would
be
responsible
for
owning
and
constructing
and
maintaining
the
landscaping
and
the
landscaping
improvements
in
that
frontage.
N
F
F
But
there's
also
the
detention
tank
and
the
inflow
and
outflow
pipes
that
go
along
with.
N
A
N
N
We
have
roof
access,
we
don't
have
stairs
up
to
the
roof.
We
have
a
stair
access.
A
All
right,
any
other
representative
wanna
address
the
commission
at
this
time.
M
O
M
Since
actually
2008,
that's
when
we
first
contacted
the
the
railroad
to
too
look,
we
saw
this
blighted
area.
I've
grown
up
in
camera,
my
whole
life
and
this
area
has
been
in
need
of
the
development.
I
would
say
for
the
last
40
years,
and
it's
been
sitting
vacant
there.
One
of
the
key
things
I'd
like
to
also
express
is,
we
will
be
removing
the
only
billboard
left
in
camarillo.
M
It's
a
huge
plus
and
win
for
the
city.
They've
wanted
that
for
a
long
time,
and
this
project
accomplishes
that
in
regards
to
the
landscape,
we
were
part
of
the
process
in
2010
when
the
city
developed
the
dawson,
drive
guidelines
and
concepts
and
got
the
stakeholders,
the
community,
the
the
property
owners
and
the
business
owners
in
the
area
to
see
what
can
we
do
to
really
enhance
the
the
area
that
was
in
serious
need,
and
it
still
is
in
need
of
enhancement
or
urban
renewal.
M
We
met
with
bob
burrow
at
the
time.
That's
how
long
ago
this
was
this
project
started
at
the
camarillo
city.
M
Library
were
part
of
the
the
focus
groups
there
to
help
develop
the
dawson
drive
guidelines
and,
through
that
came
the
city
recognized
that
that
that
it
wasn't
feasible
just
to
because
of
the
regular
shape
to
the
properties
that
they
would
provide
assistance
with
the
off-sites
of
the
property
or
anything
else
that
they
could
through
the
redevelopment
agency
and
actually
through
city
funds
too,
as
well
at
the
time,
subsequent
conversations
that
we
had
when
the
redevelopment
agency
went
away,
and
we
had
done
many
feasibility
studies
on
this
property
to
find
out
what
is
feasible.
M
I've
probably
had
just
with
dave
mo
since
he's
been
there
the
past
seven
years,
probably
at
least
30
conversations
with
him.
You
know
what
we
we
threw
up
all
kinds
of
different
ideas
of
what's
feasible,
then
we'd
run
feasibility
studies
on
those
and
see
what
we
can
come
up
with,
and
this
facility
really
is
the
only
feasible
solution
we
had
cushing
in
wakefield
recently
do
a
feasibility
study
on
this
property
and
on
self
storage
in
the
city
of
camera
alone,
and
they
said
even
with
the
new
developments
of
the
new
cell
storage.
M
That's
coming
in
that
that
that
stealth,
storage
and
the
city
camera
is
inadequate
to
serve
the
needs
of
the
homes
in
the
community,
and
so
they,
their
study
said
that
this
facility
would
the
storage
area
in
the
facility
would
fill
up
within
less
than
a
year,
which
is
you
know,
usually
it's
a
two
to
three
year
period,
even
with
the
new
development
that
this
thing
should
be
filled
up
within
a
year
and
they
they
really
like
the
project
too,
as
well,
but
as
far
as
the
landscape.
I
wanted
to
comment
on
that.
M
The
reason
we
had
originally
through
the
dawson
drive
guidelines
and
concepts,
the
landscaping,
the
sidewalks,
the
even
the
power
lines,
the
streets,
the
public
infrastructure
outside
the
property
was
going
to
be
handled
by
the
redevelopment
agency
and
then
subsequently
it
was
going
to
be
handled
by
the
city.
The
city
was
going
to
do
the
sidewalks
and
do
all
that,
and
so
the
landscape
was
very
minimal.
M
We
feel
as
far
as
monetary
costs,
that
we
accept
that
and
we've
also
accepted
the
other
costs
as
well,
that
the
city
was
going
to
assume
as
part
of
this
project.
As
we've
gone
through
this
since
2008
to
today,
you
know
that's
something
that
we
now
understand,
that
we
are
fully
taking
responsibility
for.
A
A
E
P
Desmond
sandlin.
Thank
you,
commissioners.
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
moving
this
forward
for
us,
and
I
just
want
to
tell
you
the
happiest
guy
he's
not
with
us
today
is
stan
daley
looking
down
upon
us
saying
finally
got
it
done
dez
you're.
Finally,
getting
cleaned
up.
Thank
you
very
much
appreciate
it.
Thank.
J
A
Well
before
I
get
to
these
speaker
cards
here,
I
want
to
see
if
I
can
get
a
architectural
committee
report.
I
We
move
on
the
architectural
committee
met
before
this
meeting
and
we
reviewed
the
elevations
as
shown
behind
me,
and
we
felt
the
building
was
very
consistent
with
the
design
guidelines
for
the
area
and
that
we
were
impressed
that
for
a
very
long
skinny
building
the
architect
has
done
an
excellent
job
of
breaking
it
up
in
terms
of
well,
not
so
much
the
fenestration.
It
looks
like
fenestration,
but
it's
not
anyway,
the
in
and
out
of
the
various
planes
of
the
building
really
break
it
up.
I
So
it's
not
a
large
overbearing
kind
of
building
it.
It
actually
is
quite
attractive
and
we
asked
about
the
landscaping
and
we're
satisfied
that
we're
going
to
have
a
fine
project.
So
the
recommendation
from
the
architectural
review
committee
was
approval.
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
that
report
and,
if
I
read
off
names,
I've
already
forgotten
that
have
already
spoken
to
us.
As
far
as
representatives
go.
My
apologies
first
card
I
have
here
is
mark
pettit
and
already
done
and
desmond
sam
sandlin
already
done.
Charles
sandlin.
Q
Q
Q
Q
I
see
that
it's
kind
of
an
invasive
of
the
weather
coming
in
the
air
flow,
keeping
the
pollution
out
of
our
little
neighborhood,
which
were
already
blocked
in
by
the
freeway
and
by
four-story
buildings.
Already,
you
guys
call
it
three
stories,
but
you
add
the
roof
on
it
another
another
stories.
35
feet
is
a
very
tall
building.
Q
The
first
time
someone
gets
killed
whose
school,
whose
hand
is
that
life
is
on.
I
mean
you
guys
got
to
consider
the
the
neighbors,
and
I
don't
think
this
is
considering
the
neighbors.
You
want
to
put
a
brewery
as
one
of
the
comments
you
guys
said,
I
mean
now
we're
going
to
have
drunk
drivers
in
the
neighborhood
with
kids
and
one
of
the
main
cutoffs
to
go
out
onto
the
freeway
is
magnolia
street
and
pettit,
and
we
have
kids
playing
up
there.
Think
of
those
kids.
Q
If
it
was
one
of
yours,
would
you
want
a
brewery?
Would
you
want
somebody
out
there
drinking,
driving
and
cutting
through
your
neighborhood?
I
don't
think
so.
I
don't
think
any
amount
of
money
is
worth
any
life
period
and
you
guys
really
need
to
focus
on
that.
What
you're
doing
to
that
little
neighborhood
I
mean
so
far,
you
put
well
almost
500
apartments
in.
O
Chairman
vice
chairman
commissioners,
thank
you
very
much.
I
also
live
in
the
small
community
pettit
street.
My
name
is
stephen
cooney
and
I
feel
a
bit
like
david
asking
goliath
to
make
a
change,
but.
O
Similar
to
to
what
the
other
gentleman
had
mentioned,
one
of
the
things
that
we
love
so
much
about
camarillo
is
is
the
the
feeling
of
openness
that
you
get.
Even
when
you
go
to
the
the
website
for
camarillo,
there
are
all
sorts
of
aerial
views
that
show
all
you
know
the
beautiful
library
that
we
have
the
incredible
amenities
we
have
there's
als.
O
Also
the
you
know
the
incredible
iconic
church
that
we
have,
and
it's
just
such
an
amazing
sense
of
community
here
and
openness
and
kind
of
relaxation
and
one
of
the
things
when
we
moved
into
that.
Neighborhood
we've
been
living
there
now
for
almost
20
years
in
this
small
neighborhood
been
living
in
town,
I'm
just
about
my
whole
life
off
and
on
is
like
again
the
other
downline
I
mentioned.
We
had
amazing
mountain
views
and
that's
kind
of
one
of
the
things
also
within
camarillo,
almost
anywhere
within
the
town.
O
You
have
incredible
views
of
the
hills
or
the
iconic
church,
and
when
the
apartments
went
in
the
three-story
apartments
went
in
our
three-plus
story.
Apartments
went
in
that
went
away
when
we
were
going
to
sell
our
house
at
one
point.
We
had
considered
selling
or
not
at
this
point,
but
one
of
the
things
we
had
was
the
mountain
views
from
our
front
yard
and
the
other
thing
that
we
had
is
the
amazing
church
that
we
can
see
at
night
time
at
christmas
time.
You
see
it
lit
up
with
the
the
green
and
the
red.
O
It's
it's
amazing
and
that's.
D
O
We
go
when
we
have,
you
know
parties
and
everything
else
with
our
family
and
friends,
and
we
sit
back
and
and
see
the
church.
The
concern
that
I
have
is
is
again
kind
of
with
the
height
more
than
anything
else.
I
recognized
the
amount
of
hours
and
planning
that
went
in
to
put
this
together
and
and
the
detail
and
efforts
to
make
it
as
nice.
You
know,
as
you
could,
for
you,
know
again
for
storage
facilities
and
everything,
and
it's
fantastic,
that
there's
going
to
be
retail
and
the
potential
for
restaurants
or
other
things.
O
When
we
heard
about
the
fact
that
the
city
was
going
to
do
a
revitalization,
that
was
one
of
the
things
that
we
were
very
excited
about.
The
fact
that
there
might
be
some
retail
some.
You
know
restaurants
or
other
things
that
we're
going
in,
and
then
we
heard
it
was
going
to
be
a
three-story
67
000
foot
storage
facility,
which
is
going
to
be
like
number
17
on
the
list
of
storage
facilities.
O
Again,
the
design
is
beautiful
and
everything
associated
with
with
all
the
other
amenities
is
fantastic.
But
the
one
thing
that
I
would
ask
is,
please
keep
in
mind
the
height,
because
it
really
will
the
neighborhood
is
already
starting
to
feel
more
and
more
boxed
in
with
with
the
apartments
that
are
behind
us,
and
all
around
is
my
concern
is
that
this
is
going
to
be
yet
one
more
wall
that
goes
up
kind
of
blocking
our
views.
So
thank
you
very
much.
R
Hello,
my
name
is
heather
white
and
I
am
for
this
beautiful
building.
It
actually
allows
for
widening
of
that
road
and
I've
actually
ridden
my
bike
down
this
road
many
times
and
I
haven't
ever
felt,
threatened
by
a
vehicle
speeding
by
me,
and
I
think
that
the
building
itself
brings
a
lot
of
beauty
to
the
neighborhood
and
I
think
it
would
bring
more
a
sense
of
community
too,
with
retail
and
possible
office
space.
A
D
S
Concerns
are
the
height
of
the
building,
not
the
fact
that
you
want
to
build
a
facility
there.
We
appreciate
that
it's
a
dirty
empty
lot,
but
a
three-story
is
too
high.
The
first
three-story
building
to
come
in
was
the
hotel.
You
took
away
our
view
of
the
grade.
We
no
longer
see
the
sunrise.
We
no
longer
see
the
moon
rise.
You
put
in
three-story
apartments
behind
us
now.
We
have
people
looking
in
our
backyards
and
we
do
not
have
a
view
of
the
mountains
anymore.
S
If
you
put
in
a
three-story
building
on
dawson
drive,
I'm
very
nervous.
Excuse
me:
are
we
going
to
lose
our
view
of
the
chapel?
Now
too?
That's
our
last
thing
and
three
stories
all
around
us
again:
the
breeze,
the
sense
of
freedom,
the
view
the
openness.
That's
all
going
to
be
taken
away
from
us.
Our
little
neighborhood
gets
kicked
around
a
lot.
We
require
no
cities,
almost
no
city
services,
it's
a
very
safe
neighborhood.
The
police
do
not
respond
to
calls
in
our
neighborhood
because
we
don't
have
them.
S
Our
neighborhood
is
a
sense
of
community
we're
all
very
tight
we're
all
very
close.
We
don't
ask
for
a
lot,
but
please
don't
take
this
last
thing
away
from
us.
Give
us
a
two-story
building.
Can
you
just
do
a
two-story
building?
Please
that's
all
we're
asking
for
not
to
go
three
stories.
Thank
you
very
much.
All.
A
Right,
thank
you
for
your
comments.
Okay,
annie.
Anyone
else
want
to
speak
to
the
commission
on
this
item
and
there's
no
more
speaker
cards.
Okay,
seeing
none.
We
will
go
ahead
and
close
the
public
comment
period
for
this
item
and
I'll
turn
to
my
fellow
commissioners
to
get
their
comments
now.
Oh,
do
we
have
okay,
my.
M
With
the
building
size,
the
height,
if
you
look
at
the
what's
behind
the
building,
it's
the
bridge
and
it's
a
big
concrete
wall
that
is
supports
the
big
overhanging
bridge
and
it's
the
building's
the
same
height
as
that
right
there
right
now.
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
clarification
point.
If
you
look
behind
the
building,
maybe
one
of
the
pitchers
had
that
too
as
well.
M
You
could
probably
refer
back
to
as
well
that
concrete
structure
right
there
is
what's
what's
the
the
height
of
the
building
over
there,
so,
instead
of
looking
at
that,
they
would
look
at
this
beautiful,
the
the
building
that
we've
got
there.
I
I
appreciate
first
off
the
fact
that
a
number
of
people
have
come
out
tonight
to
tell
us
their
feelings
about
the
project
and
it's
it's
good
to
hear
from
the
neighborhood
the
what
often
happens
is
we
don't
hear
anything
from
the
neighborhood,
and
it's
it's
great
that
you
did
come
out
and
express
your
opinions
on
this.
I
The
the
storage
facility
is
sorely
needed.
I
I
know
in
my
own
neighborhood
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
park
two
cars
in
the
garage
because
they
can't
park
their
cars
in
a
two-car
garage
because
it's
all
full
of
stuff,
but
anyway
you
need
to
put
stuff
somewhere
and
that
somewhere
is
a
place
like
this.
I
So
this
meets
a
very
particular
need
and
I
I
think
the
site
pro
actually
presented
some
significant
problems
in
terms
of
its
long
skinny
nature
and
for
the
architect
and
design
team
to
come
up
with
a
good
solution.
I
think
they've
done
that
regarding
the
height
of
the
building.
I
I
I'm
as
less
concerned
about
the
height
as
others-
I
know
that
to
the
south
and
to
the
east
of
the
residential
area.
There
have
been
a
number
of
hotel
complexes
that
have
gone
in
that
are
three
four
or
even
five
stories,
and
I
certainly
share
the
concern
that
the
citizens
have
expressed
in
that
regard.
I
I
I
We
have
another
project
that
was
approved
well
a
year
and
a
half
or
so
ago
that's
further
down
dawson
drive
and
actually
passed
lewis,
but
on
the
left
that
gets
rid
of
a
kind
of
a
well
an
ugly
lot.
Also
so,
overall,
I
I
hear
the
concerns
and-
and
I
understand
what
you're
saying,
but
I
feel
that
the
benefits
of
this
project
in
terms
of
the
urban
design
in
terms
of
the
positive
aspect
that
it
provides
to
the
community
is
very
important.
C
F
Murphy,
yes,
thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
appreciate
the
comments
from
lisa
rob
and
steve
as
well.
I
I
believe
this
project
is
a
a
neighborhood
will
have
the
overall
impact
of
beautifying
this
this
corridor,
but
I
don't
want
to
downplay
their
comments
about
the
visual
impact
of
this
project.
It
may
be
only
as
tall
as
that
that
wall,
but
the
fact
is,
the
building
will
be
closer
to
the
neighborhood,
so
there
will
be
there
will
be
a
visual
impact
and
what
they
will
be
looking
at
is
this
this
well
designed
architectural
building.
F
F
That
is
a
finely
puts
some
use
to
this
very,
very
difficult
strip
of
of
land,
and
I
appreciate
that
and
it'd
be
it'd
be
difficult
for
me
not
to
support
a
project
like
this
that
that
is
so
well
planned
out
again
at
the
regret
of
of
the
comments
that
were
made
by
lisa
and
rob
and
and
steve
earlier.
So
I
will
support
this
project.
I
will
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
amend
the
conditions,
and
I'm
not
sure
when
I'm
supposed
to
do
that.
F
F
D
Looking
at
this
project,
I
mean
at
first
I
did
have
questions
about
more
storage
space
that's
been
answered,
and
I
do
like
the
fact
that
it
has
the
parking
for
vehicles
and
motorhomes,
and
you
know
different
types
of
stuff
that
we
don't
have
here,
but
I
also
hear
the
concerns
about
views
and
heights
and
such
so.
D
I
have
I'm
in
favor
of
the
project,
but
I
do
have
two
concerns
and
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
way
to
look
at
the
heights
of
the
parapets
and
reduce
them
a
couple
feet
all
along
make
it
at
least
a
couple
feet:
shorter
you've
got
a
lot
of
height,
that's
going
up
and
down.
This
is
visually
appealing
nice
to
look
at,
but
also
a
lot
of
extra
height
there,
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
all
needed
to
hide
parts
and
things
on
this
on
the
roof
or
not.
D
But
if
that
could
be
just
kind
of
look
at
it
and
see,
and
then
the
other
concern
I
had
with
with
this
area
is
something
not
related
to
this
project
necessarily
but
the
intersection
of
pettit,
I'm
not
familiar
with
driving
out
of
magnolia.
But
I
know
I've
come
out
of
pet
to
turn
left
onto
dawson
and
I've
had
trouble
almost
every
time.
I've
tried
to
turn
left
because
pedestrians
coming
across
and
vehicles
going
and
it
gets
really
kind
of
confusing
as
to
whether
you
can
turn
or
not.
D
So,
but
as
far
as
the
project
itself
in
total,
I
would
have
to
say
I
you
know.
I
agree
with
that.
So
I'm
just
a
little
torn
in
between
the
view
and
the
height
type
items.
A
All
right,
thank
you
very
much
comments.
I
am
say
I
very
much
want
to
see
this
area
developed
and
I
think
that
the
project
brought
forward
to
us
is
something
that
a
lot
of
work
has
gone
into,
to
really
enhance
and
make
it
very
aesthetically
appealing.
You
know,
of
course,
I've
you
know
still
have
reservations
and
concerns
about
the
height
and
the
access.
A
You
know
I
mean
I
appreciate
the
access
of
dawson
drive,
the
width
of
dawson
drive,
the
aerial
capability
of
being
set
up
on
dawson
drive
to
access
the
roof
or
set
up
water
towers,
whatever
the
case
may
be,
but
I
know
that
the
fire
apparatus
will
be
using
that
and
going
on
site
to
get
off
the
street.
You
know
for
alarm
ringing
calls
for
any
other
kind
type
of
emergencies
that
might
come
up
on
the
site
and
they
will
use
that
access
roadway,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
it's
always
clear.
A
A
Thinking
that
this
building,
while
it's
a
they've,
done
a
great
job
given
the
space
they
have
to
work
with,
but
it's
a
lot
and
it's
ambitious
and
it
is
a
limited
area,
that's
causing
just
a
little
bit
of
a
compromise
in
terms
of
what
could
be
ideal.
E
A
That
might
lessen
the
risk
if
it
was
if
there
was
a
greater
setback
in
the
rear.
That
would
probably
improve
the
overall
access,
but
we
have
what
we
have
but,
like
I
say,
I
think
I
very
much
want
to
see
this
area
develop,
and
I
hope
that
at
some
point
you
know
we
might
be
able
to
look
and
address
what
the
options
are
if
they
feel
that
they
need
to
red
kerber,
extend
that
clearance
to
the
rear
of
the
property
from
18
feet
to
the
27
feet.
A
D
D
So
it's
going
to
offer
a
lot
of
uses
for
a
lot
of
different
uses
for
people,
as
you
know,
is
what
they
need,
but
I
I
did
enjoy
seeing
so
many
different
sizes
down
what
four,
by
four
four
by
five,
I
think
was
the
smallest
you
know
and
up
to
bigger
ones.
So
I
did
want
to
give
recognition
to
that
part
of
the
plan.
A
F
Knocked
away
further
reading
and
moved
to
adopt
with
the
following
amendment,
and
that
is
to
condition
number
47,
which
states
the
first
sentence
is
all
on-site.
Storm
drains
must
be
cleaned
at
least
twice
a
year
once
immediately
before
october,
1st
the
beginning
of
the
rain
season,
and
once
in
january,
I
would
like
that
to
be
amended
to
all
on-site
storm
drains,
including
the
drainage
detention
system
and
associated
inlet
outlet,
piping,
comma.
A
Okay,
so
we
have
a
motion
with
amendment
language
to
add
condition:
47.,
did
we
capture
all
that
or
do
we
need
okay?
So
we
have
a
motion
with
a
amendment
to
condition
47
to
incorporate
language,
as
stated
by
commissioner
murphy.
A
Okay,
it
passes
four
zero.
One
abstention.
A
Now
we
can
see
if
commissioner
edsel
is
still
with
us.
A
A
So
that
concludes
our
public
hearing
items
and
we'll
move
on
to
director's
report.
B
Yes,
thank
you,
chairman
espinoza.
I
just
have
a
few
items
here
regarding
our
upcoming
upcoming
meetings.
We
currently
do
not
have
any
items
scheduled
for
our
september
6th
meeting
it's
right
after
labor
day
weekend
and
so
that
meeting
may
be
cancelled,
but
we
do
have
items
scheduled
for
the
next
two
meetings.
Regular
meetings
of
the
planning
commission,
which
are
september
20th
and
october,
4th.
B
About
future
meetings,
yes,
the
we
do
have
items
scheduled
for
the
two
meetings
after
september
6,
which
are
the
regular
means
of
planning
commission
on
september
20th
and
october
4th.
Okay,.
F
E
I
E
B
So
we
have
we
just
hired
a
senior
planner
to
replace
oxana
buck
and
his
name
is
john
james
fowler
james.
B
Yes,
he
was
a
planner
in
simi
valley,
so
he
started
last
week.
He
was
here
in
the
audience.
I
he
probably
had
to
go
home,
but
but
yeah
he
just
started
so
he's
getting
his
feet
with
he's
he's
helping
with
housing
and
the
grants,
the
cdbg
program,
and
so.
I
B
A
B
She
is
replacing
monique,
actually
deborah
yeah,
because
deborah
was
there
too,
as
a
our
management
assistant
in
the
community
department.
So
we
also
have
elena
too
sorry
about
that.