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A
Okay,
I'd
like
to
call
the
meeting
to
order
a
camera,
Planning
Commission,
regular
meeting,
September
20th
2022
and
welcome
everyone
and
anyone
who's
out
there
tuned
in.
If
we
can
have
secretary
Connell,
please.
A
And
we
have
commissioner
Murphy
absent
today.
If
we
can
have
a
commissioner
Thomas
lead
us
in
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance.
A
And
moving
on
to
we
consent
ion
if
we,
which
is
just
the
one
item,
minutes
of
August
14th.
If
we
have
no
changes
objections,
when
I
can
hear
usually
I'll.
A
A
All
right
now,
this
is
a
public
comment
period
for
anything,
that's
not
on
tonight's
agenda.
Is
it
a
time
for
anyone
in
the
public
who
wishes
to
address
the
Planning
Commission
action
can't
be
taken
by
the
commission
on
anything
brought
up
during
this
period,
but
it
can
be
referred
to
staff
or
put
on
a
future
agenda.
Is
there
any
one
who
has
anything
from
the
public
who
wants
to
address
at
this
point?
A
G
H
At
that
time.
A
companion
development
application
proposed
a
drive-through
restaurant
coffee
shop
and
Industrial
Development.
However,
the
Planning
Commission
expressed
support
of
the
general
plan
Amendment
and
the
zone
change,
but
was
concerned
about
the
traffic
associated
with
a
potential
drive-through
restaurant
use.
H
H
And
here's
a
site
plan
that
shows
the
proposed
three
new
multi-tenant
industrial
buildings
and
those
buildings
consist
of
approximately
thirteen
thousand
seven
hundred
square
feet.
Eighteen
thousand
three
hundred
square
feet
and
eighty
four
hundred
square
feet
and
also
being
proposed
is
a
new
eight
foot
decorative
block
wall
with
Landscaping
along
Pleasant
Valley
Road,
which
will
provide
for
screening.
H
H
Access
to
the
site
will
be
provided
from
three
driveways
located
along
Skyway
Drive.
A
total
of
78
parking
spaces
are
required
for
the
Project
based
on
one
per
500
for
industrial
use,
and
a
site
plan
shows
that
the
project
will
provide
85
parking.
Spaces,
therefore,
is
in
compliance
with
the
code
for
parking.
The
project
also
will
provide
one
loading
space
for
each
suite
for
a
total
of
18
loading
spaces,
which
will
be
located
behind
the
buildings
in
the
back
here.
H
The
buildings
will
be
constructed
of
concrete
tilt
up,
exterior
walls,
aluminum
frame,
glazing
and
Architectural
reveals
each
main
entry
into
the
building.
Suites
will
be
accentuated
by
a
raised
parapet
and
metal
awning
that
projects
from
the
building
the
proposed
color
palette
consists
of
beige
and
brown
on
the
main
body
of
the
building,
with
gray
accents
on
the
cornice
and
Wayne's
coat.
The
building
Heights
are
proposed
to
be
26
feet
to
the
top
of
the
cornice,
with
portions
at
28
feet
where
the
parapit
is
extended
to
highlight
the
main
entries.
H
The
project
was
previously
evaluated
under
final
mitigated:
negative
declaration
2020-11,
which
was
adopted
by
the
city
council
on
February
9
2022,
the
m
d
evaluated
the
development
of
the
site
into
three
multi-tenant
industrial
buildings,
which
is
being
proposed
under
ipd
408,
as
well
as
the
general
plan
Amendment
and
zone
change
final.
The
final
mnd
contains
a
mitigation
monitoring
and
Reporting
plan
that
identifies
the
areas
of
potential
impacts,
mitigation
measures
to
reduce
the
impacts
to
lessen
significant
and
a
monitoring
program
to
ensure
mitigation
is
implemented,
as
the
project
impacts
were
reviewed
previously
with
M
D
2020-11.
H
No
further
environmental
review
is
required
in
reviewing
the
application
and
the
proposed
plans.
Staff
finds
that
The
Proposal
complies
with
the
city's
zoning
requirements
and
is
consistent
with
the
city's
General
plan.
Additionally,
the
project
provides
the
following
benefits.
The
project
will
redevelop
an
underutilized
and
mostly
vacant
site
with
a
well-designed
multi-tenant
Industrial
Development.
H
The
project
will
Revitalize
the
area
and
includes
a
new
seating
area
with
artwork
and
a
new
entry
Monument
sign
for
the
Camarillo
Airport
and
the
project
furthers
the
economic
development
strategic
plan
by
providing
opportunities
for
business
startups
and
entrepreneurial
development.
The
pro
the
proposed
project
also
provides
four
three
multi-tenant
light:
industrial
buildings
of
varying
tenant
sizes
that
will
offer
local
small
businesses
affordable,
small
space,
with
the
flexibility
to
grow
within
those
spaces.
H
D
Should
be
asked
of
Staff
more
of
the
project
proponent,
but
I'm
concerned
about
preservation
of
the
Landscaping
existing
Landscaping.
D
There
was
some
discussion
before
about
preserving
two
or
three
or
four
some
number
of
trees
that
are
existing,
that
are
Heritage
age
anyway.
If
you
could
comment
about
that,
please
or.
B
H
Over
regarding
the
preservation
of
trees
identified
in
the
arborist
report,
it's
condition
194.
and
I'll.
Go
ahead
and
read
that
condition
which
reads:
developer
must
comply
with
the
recommendations
of
the
arborist
report
dated
April
8
2022,
prepared
by
John
Burke
registered
Consulting
arborist
for
the
preservation
of
seven
mixture
of
ficus
trees
and
relocation
of
one
Olive
Tree
should
any
of
the
trees
identified
in
the
report
for
preservation
or
relocation
die.
The
developer
must
submit
a
tree
replacement
plan
for
review
and
approval
by
the
director
of
Community
Development
prior
to
installation.
H
D
H
Yes,
so,
in
accordance
with
this
condition
and
the
arborist
report,
there
will
be
seven
ficus
trees
that
will
be
preserved
in
place
and
one
olive
tree
that
will
be
relocated
from
its
current
location
to
the
corner
of
Skyway
and
Airport
Way,
and
this
condition
provides
for
should
any
of
those
trees
not
survive,
that
they
would
have
to
be
replaced
and
with
the
appropriate
box
size
tree.
D
Okay,
is
there
a
code
requirement
for
the
number
of
spaces
required
for
parking?
It
seems
like
an
awful
lot
to
the
south
of
the
site
and
it
just
seems
more
than
what
is
necessary.
Is
that
in
fact
true?
Does
it
follow
the
code
or
does
it
establish
a
new
precedent.
H
There
is
a
requirement
for
parking
in
the
code,
which
is
one
parking
space
for
every
500
of
square
feet,
which
is
the
requirement
for
Industrial
Development
So,
based
on
that
they
are
required
to
provide
78
parking
spaces.
They
are
showing
that
they
will
provide
85.
So
there
is
a
surplus
of
seven
parking
spaces
based
on
code.
D
Yeah,
it
just
seems
that
there
would
be
an
opportunity
to
not
have
as
much
parking
space
because
none
of
it's
ever
used
anyway,
not
all
of
it,
and
that
maybe
the
South
Side
could
be
maybe
I'll
call
it
for
lack
of
any
other
thing
a
pocket
park,
or
something
like
that
someplace,
where
people
can
go
and
enjoy
an
afternoon
assuming
it
is
in
110
degrees,
but
that
there
will
be
a
couple
of
places
to
the
South,
which
is
where
the
parking
is
designated.
If
it
could
be
located.
D
Two,
maybe
three,
since
there
are
three
buildings,
that
a
small
Park
could
be
accommodated.
H
However,
sometimes
what
we
do
run
into
is
when
there
is
no
Surplus
that
they
want
to
put
in
a
use
where
additional
parking
spaces
would
be
required,
but
there
is
no
Surplus,
and
so
there
would
be
limitations
on
certain
uses
from
being
able
to
go
in
there.
So,
for
example,
if
they
wanted
to
have
more
than
20
percent
of
the
square
footage
going
to
office
use,
then
they
would
be
able
to
utilize
that
Surplus
so
that
they
can
have.
D
Okay,
so
there
is
an
opportunity,
but
there
is
nothing
in
the
conditions
right
now
that
provide
that
opportunity.
H
D
Well,
going
along
with
that
is
the
quote:
Art
Park
on
what
would
be
the
northeast
corner
next
adjacent
to
the
water
tank
that
has
some
public
value
and
public
art.
Is
that
not
true.
H
Yes,
so
the
corner
of
airport
and
Skyway
that
that's
I
guess
the
South
West
Corner.
There
is
a
small
little
Plaza
area
that
will
accommodate
seating.
So
if
employees
wanted
to
take
a
break,
they'd
be
able
to
enjoy
the
outdoors
and
seat
sit
outside
and
there
would
be
artwork
located
in
that
Plaza
area
as
well.
H
D
Okay,
I'm
concerned
about
the
quote:
maintenance,
unquote
of
the
water
tank
itself,
that
maintenance
painting
is
required.
The
tank
looks
horrible
as
it
exists
and
I'm
wondering
when
and
if
the
applicant
will
be
charged
with
painting
it.
H
The
condition
of
approval
is
more
speaks
to
the
general
ongoing
maintenance
there.
There
is
no
requirement
at
this
time
being
made
for
them
to
repaint
the
water
tower.
However,
if
there
was
a
paint
was
peeling
or
was
in
disrepair,
then
they
would
be
required
to
provide
the
maintenance
to
that.
H
It
would
be
a
dress
similar
to
our
typical
property
maintenance
standards.
H
So
if
there
was
a
maintenance
issue
such
as
the
painting
was
deteriorated,
where
it
was
peeling
or
in
disrepair,
then
it
would
be
the
Community
Development
doctor
that
could
enforce
this
condition
that
they
provide
the
proper
maintenance
and
painting
whatever
is
necessary
to
comply
with
the
condition.
H
They
are
currently
working
with
the
county
with
the
county
on
in
agreement
which
is
outside
the
city's
purview,
because
this
is
a
more
of
a
private
Arrangement
between
the
county
and
the
developer
for
the
ability
for
the
county
to
continue
to
have
their
equipment
on
the
tower
in
exchange
for
certain
requirements
from
the
applicant
for
for
use
of
that
structure
for
their
equipment.
Right.
D
To
paint
it,
you
would
have
to
have
some
kind
of
equipment
to
paint
it.
How
would
that
be
maintained?
Should
the
applicant
address
this
question
or
not.
D
All
right,
that's
all
for
now.
F
H
No
no,
but
when
the
project
was
when
the
property
was
referred
for,
General
planum
by
the
city
council,
they
did
so
with
the
requirement
that
the
water
tower
structure
be
preserved
on
site,
so
that
has
now
been
carried
over
as
a
condition
of
approval
on
this
project.
However,
the
county
does
have
some
equipment,
on
top
of
the
tower
that
the
applicant
is
working
with
the
county
on
a
separate
arrangement
for
continued
use
of
the
tower
for
their
equipment.
Well,.
C
The
one
question
I
have
looking
at
the
plan
on
as
the
buildings
are
on
the
lot
with
the
front
of
them.
In
the
offices
it
looks
like
facing
Skyway
Drive.
All
the
parking
is
in
the
back
or
on
the
one
side
on
the
west.
C
I
just
see
a
little
difficulty
in
Ingress
to
the
office
space
or
if
they
had,
you
know
somebody
coming
in
as
a
business
or
having
to
come
to
the
office,
and
some
of
these
they've
got
quite
a
ways
to
go,
walk
around,
or
is
everybody
going
to
be
just
expected
to
go
into
the
back
and
work
their
way
to
the
front
customers.
H
Because
it's
an
industrial
development,
we
wouldn't
expect
to
see
a
whole
lot
of
foot
traffic,
but
customers
would
walk
using
there's
sidewalks
alongside
the
side
of
the
buildings,
and
then
they
would
walk
along
this
pedestrian
Pathway
to
the
front
of
the
buildings
where
there
is
a
sidewalk
that
connects
to
each
entrance
into
the
building.
The
employees
will
obviously
also
park
in
the
back
here
and
would
probably
be
able
to
enter
the
building
from
either
the
front
or
the
back.
C
And
just
used
to
seeing
even
industrial
buildings
if
there's
an
office
space
in
the
front
having
some
parking
in
the
front,
you
know,
rather
than
all
of
it,
coming
from
behind
the
buildings,
which
seems
a
little
awkward
to
me,
but
it
doesn't
look
like
there's
enough
space
to
move
the
buildings
back
either.
So
it's.
H
A
kind
of
narrow
site
to
work
with
so
I
think
they've
laid
out
the
buildings
in
a
manner
that
provides
for
the
most
efficient
use
of
the
site.
That,
and
also
with
the
buildings
fronting
onto
Skyway.
A
Okay,
just
one
more
thing
on
the
the
parking
question:
I
realized
that
the
the
street
itself
is
going
to
be
red
curb,
so
there
won't
be
any
parking
in
front
on
the
street
across
the
street.
Even
though
that's
not
the
scope
of
the
project
in
any
way,
is
it
physically
possible
for
people
to
be
parking
there
currently
or
or
would
they
so?
A
What
I'm
curious
about
is,
would
that
be
a
source
of
you
know
people
using
it,
because
it's
practical,
but
then
you
know,
might
that
generate
complaints
from
customers
of
the
industrial
buildings
here
using
that
area.
H
So
there
is
no
street
parking
on
either
side
of
Skyway
Drive
on
those
streets
or
those
curbs
are
painted
red,
so
the
parking
would
not
be
allowed.
H
If
somebody
I
suppose
was
to
park
there
anyway,
then
that
would
have
to
be
enforced
through
in
this
situation.
I
believe
it
would
still
be
the
police
department
if
they
were
parking
in
a
No,
Parking
Zone.
A
E
A
I,
have
we
got
one
more
question.
D
From
Dean,
not
so
much
your
question,
but
just
information
I
understood
from
the
previous
presentation
that
there's
a
beacon
or
something
Atop,
The,
Water
Tower-
that
is
still
functional
still
in
use
and
used
by
aviators
in
locating
the
air,
the
airport,
in
addition
to
the
tower,
so
that
there
is
a
reason
for
the
water
tower
not
to
store
water
but
to
house
the
beacon.
H
Craig
there
is
a
beacon
for
the
airport
or
in
my
understanding,
is
that
will
someday
potentially
go
away
and
the
airport
will
no
longer
need
that.
But
the
applicant
can
probably
speak
to
that.
A
I
Okay,
chairman
Espinoza
members
of
the
commission
good
evening,
I'm
dick
darling
on
behalf
of
the
darling
Development
Group
your
applicant
tonight,
I,
would
like
to
also
interview
our
introduce
our
team,
which
is
here
to
address
any
questions
and
concerns
of
all
types.
Our
attorney
Chuck
Cohen
will
be
available
to
answer
any
of
your
questions
regarding
our
relationship
with
the
airport
management
and
the
water
tower.
Our
architect,
Brian
poliquin
of
PK
architecture
is
here
our
engineer.
Kenzie
Hensley
from
the
Jensen
group
civil
engineers
are
here
and
our
landscape
architect
on
any
tree
issues.
I
Aaron
O'connell,
oh
Carol.
Pardon
me
is
here
down
from
Santa
Barbara
tonight
to
be
with
us
and
with
your
consent
and
permission,
I
thought
I'd
make
just
a
few
introductory
remarks
and
then
turn
it
over
to
our
architects
who
talk
about
the
design
elements.
If
you,
if
that's.
A
Soon,
that's
perfectly
fine.
Also,
would
you,
if
you
wouldn't
mind
just
having
one
of
those
blue
cards
filled
out
just
for
our
record
of
you
sure.
I
So
we've
appeared
before
you
before
several
years
ago
when
we
first
started
the
rezoning
process,
and
at
that
time
we
said
that
this
kind
of
a
project
was
in
great
demand.
It
still
is
it
serves.
It
serves
a
lot
of
small
businesses
and
and
and
other
users,
but
it
has
proved
to
be
popular
over
the
years.
I've
done
a
number
of
these
most
recently.
We
did
something
along
this
line
in
the
city
of
Simi
Valley.
That
was
really
well
accepted,
and
this
is
kind
of
along
those
lines.
I
The
it
should
bring
new
businesses
into
the
community
incrementally
and
CR
and
help
satisfy
the
demand
for
industrial
space
is
during
this
entire
process.
No
known
opposition
to
this
project
has
come
to
our
attention,
so
we're
kind
of
concluding
that
either
the
community
is
indifferent
to
it
or
they
support
it.
There's.
Certainly
there
certainly
is
interests,
I
know
in
the
Water
Tower
and
that's
an
another
matter
where
it
was
made
clear
to
us
our
first
meeting
advisory
meeting
with
the
city
council.
I
The
water
tower
was
to
remain,
and
we
understood
that
that
was
our
marching
orders
and
that's
where
we
are
today.
The
water
tower
remains
so
respectfully.
We
agree
with
the
conditions
and
with
the
benefits
that
Miss
Lee
has
previously
described,
no
use
repeating
them
and,
based
on
all
that,
I've
respectfully
asked
for
your
support
for
this
project
and
I'm
available
to
ask
respond,
and
if
there
are
no
questions,
I'll
turn
it
over
to
our
architect.
Okay,.
E
D
J
My
name
is
Brian
poliquin
I'm,
with
PK
architecture
and
Commissioners.
We
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
present
the
project
tonight
and
you're.
You
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
parking.
The
site
is
a
very
narrow
site.
It
was.
It
was
rather
tough
to
get
everything
to
to
work
because
of
the
nature
of
the
site
and
because
we
had
to
respond
to
the
setbacks
on
the
front
on
the
street
setbacks
on
the
rear
and
also
screening
the
back
from
any
loading.
J
So
we
really
had
to
play
around
with
it
a
bit
and
actually
planning
really
helped
a
lot
in
helping
us
come
up
with
a
solution
that
everybody
seemed
comfortable
with.
This
isn't
a
really
big
project.
There's
not
a
lot
of
great
distance
that
anybody
has
to
walk.
They
could
go
through
the
back
doors
if
they
want,
and
some
of
these
uses
may
be
industrial.
Some
of
them
may
have
a
little
more
office
component
to
them.
J
I'm
in
a
similar
type
of
project
myself
in
Agoura
Hills,
it's
an
industrial
project,
we're
Architects
and
it
works
quite
well.
That's
the
really
neat
thing
about
these
projects
is
they're
small
buildings
for
small
businesses.
They're
more
affordable
because
of
the
size
and
so
I
think
there's
a
little
bit
of
give
and
take
in
that
parking,
really
I
think
it
works.
J
We
have
adequate
parking,
which
is
nice
and
also,
if
you
do
get
a
little
bigger
office
component
or
maybe
some
type
of
you
know,
engineering
firm
or
something
like
that
or
soils
engineer.
They
might
have
a
little
more
parking
need,
and
so
we
have
that
little
buffer
of
parking,
which
I
think
is
good.
We
have
the
little
Park
area
at
the
corner,
with
the
water
tower
the
water
tower
to
us.
We
felt
and
I
think
the
airport
District
felt
it
was
iconic,
and
so
it
was
necessary
to
keep
it.
J
My
understanding
is
the
that
water
tower,
though
I
think
the
FAA
has
some
rules
about
how
it
has
to
be
painted.
If
you
were
to
like
paint
it
in
the
old
checkerboard
fashion,
there's
a
very
strict
way
that
it
gets
done,
but
it
does
carry
the
beacon.
So
it
does
have
a
purpose
and
that's
why
it's
fenced
so
that
nobody
can
really
get
at
it
and
the
equipment
is
protected.
That's
what
I
understand
for
the
project
as
far
as
the
rest
of
it,
it
I
think
it's
nice
clean
tilt
up
construction.
J
We've
used
Earth
Tones
to
really
tie
in
with
the
City
of
Camarillo.
As
far
as
it
being
architectural.
We've
created
entry
elements
for
each
user,
so
you
feel
like
you're,
really
walking
to
a
front
door.
I
think
it's
kind
of
nice
that
we
don't
have
the
parking
in
front
of
it
that
you
get
to
have
a
landscaped
area
to
come
into
your
entry.
But
you
know
if
you
want
to
have
a
quicker
shot
into
the
building
you
go
through
the
back.
J
There
are
man
doors
as
well
as
loading
doors
there.
So
that's
pretty
much
it
Aaron
O'carroll
is
here
also
to
talk
on
the
landscape,
but
we
did
save
some
of
the
trees
along
the
Parkway
and
he
could
talk
a
little
more
about
that.
If
you
want
him
to
talk
about
it,
but
that's
that's
pretty
much.
It.
D
J
J
So
it
is
all
concrete.
Okay,
all
right,
but
we
have
fair
amount
of
reveals
fair
amount
of
breakup.
We
have
a
little
Cornish
top
to
create
a
little
bit
of
decorative
element
and
and
there's
some
higher
and
lower
elements
on
the
building
to
give
it
more
interest
and
also
there's
some
pop-outs
at
each
entry.
We
try
to
you
know,
give
each
tenant
a
little
entry
opportunity,
so
you
feel
like
you're,
coming
to
your
own
place,
so.
D
J
The
idea
is
that
you
could
expand
small
business
could
go
into
one
unit
and
then
expand
into
another
unit,
so
that
opportunity
is
there
again,
like
I,
said:
I've
done
another
project
with
darling
development
that
was
very
successful
in
CB
Valley
about
72,
000
square
feet
and
two
buildings,
similar
type
I'm
in
a
similar
type
of
project
in
Agora
Hills.
There's
always
the
opportunity
to
expand
and
move
around
so
yeah
that
that's
really.
J
D
Right
but
the
interior
walls
between
units
would
be
those
would
be
drywall.
J
J
J
E
K
Good
evening,
chairman
Espinoza
and
Commissioners
I'm,
Aaron
Carroll
landscape
architect
for
the
project,
there
was
some
discussion
on
the
existing
trees
and
what
was
stated
was
exactly
correct:
we're
preserving
seven
ficus
trees
along
Skyway
Drive
and
we're
going
to
be
relocating
one
specimen,
Olive
and
we're,
of
course,
adding
more
trees
to
the
projects
shade
trees
in
the
parking
lot,
some
of
which
are
native
trees.
K
L
Now
that
darling
has
taken
ownership
of
the
property
and
the
of
the
tower
we're
working
on
the
terms
of
future
use,
we're
not
certain
those
do
what
the
duration
of
that
may
be.
That's
up
to
the
county.
But
if
you
have
any
questions,
please
please
to
respond.
F
L
Had
an
arrangement
with
the
with
the
county
as
a
public
entity,
it's
it's
going
to
be
different
with
a
private
ownership
of
the
property
now.
Okay,
thank
you.
D
On
the
color
on
the
water
tower,
does
it
have
to
remain
the
orange
and
white
or
could
another
occur
like
a
gray,
for
example,
or
a
sand
brown
or
something
be
substituted
for
a
color
you're.
E
F
Okay,
so
yeah
my
comments,
I
think
it
is
difficult,
narrow
site
and
they
I
think
they
did
a
nice
design
for
what
they're
working
with
and
it's
certainly
a
lot
nicer.
What
exists
there
now
so
it'll
be
a
a
welcome
Improvement
and
it
seems
to
be
the
trend
to
go
with
the
smaller
commercial
sites.
F
You
know
even
their
tearing
down
Technicolor
and
putting
those
in
more
usable
units,
so
I
think
it's
you
know
the
smaller
use,
I'll
attract
small
businesses
and-
and
it's
out
there
at
the
airport,
I
think
it'll
be
a
big
Improvement
and
I
I
support
the
project
as
as
submitted.
D
Thank
you.
Despite
all
my
questions,
I'm
in
favor
of
the
project,
as
proposed
I
note
that
we
did
not
have
an
architectural
control
committee
meeting
due
to
an
administrative
oversight
and
I,
don't
think
there
would
be
anything
that
would
come
of
that
discussion
anyway.
So
foreign
it
wasn't
noticed,
and
that
I'll
just
leave
it
at
that
that
there
was
no
architectural
control
committee
and
but
that
I.
D
Would
change
anything
that
what
was
proposed
in
the
proposed
design
is
excellent
for
the
kind
of
use
that
is
indicated
there,
and
it's
consistent
with
the
land
use
at
the
airport
that
to
having
an
industrial
type
facility?
D
We
don't
know
who
the
occupants
are
of
the
respective
offices,
but
overall
it
would
be
consistent
with
the
airport
and
it
certainly
beats
the
heck
out
of
what
is
existing
there,
which
is
an
old,
dilapidated,
torn
up
horrible
building.
Buildings
and
I
think
this
represents
a
significant
Improvement
to
that,
and
so
therefore
I
I'm
very
much
in
support
of
the
project.
Despite
all
my
questions,.
A
It's
okay!
If
staff
wouldn't
mind
I
I
appreciate
commissioner
Thomas's
comment
there
regarding
the
Architectural
Review
considerations,
and
if
we
can
just
hear
a
few
comments
from
staff
on
on
that
on
Mission
or
if
it
wasn't
a
mission,
foreign.
G
Yes,
the
the
brown
act
requires
any
committee
meeting
or
public
meeting
to
be
noticed
to
the
public
at
least
24
hours
in
advance
and
the
the
notice
was
not
published.
So
therefore,
we
could
not
hold
the
Architectural
Review
committee
meeting.
F
Okay,
we're
we're
voting
on
The
architectural
part
of
the.
L
C
So
it
is
nice
to
see
a
number
of
the
smaller
industrial
buildings
coming
into
town,
because
I
think
there
is
a
use
for
those
and
as
far
as
the
architecture
of
the
front
does
look,
even
though
it's
not
just
plain,
it
does
have
some
texture
to
it,
which
looks
really
nice
looks
if
I'm
looking
at
this
right,
even
on
the
back,
there's
some
color
variation.
So
it's
not
going
to
be
all
the
same
along
the
back
when
you
look
at
it.
C
If
it
turns
out
like
the
picture
here
and
knowing
that
it
is
going
to
be
adaptable
to
different
types
of
businesses
in
different
sizes,
so
I
still
am
a
little
puzzled
by
no
parking
in
the
front
and
they
seem
to
be
like
right
on
the
street.
But
I
understand
it's
not
with
a
narrow
lot.
You
can't
do
much
difference
with
that.
So
with
that,
I
am
in
favor
of
it.
A
Thank
you
for
that.
Well,
I,
just
I
straight
up,
I
support
the
project.
I
do
think
it's
an
attractive
project.
Actually
I
realize
you
know
the
trade-off
on
the
parking
situation.
A
A
You
know
their
maximum
of
average
of
2
000
square
feet
if
they
actually
divide
it
out
evenly.
As
shown
on
the
on
the
plan
proposal,
but
I
realize
you're
going
to
be
stored
out
of
the
shells
and
have
tenants
occupy
as
as
time
goes
on.
One
thing,
I
wonder,
is:
if
there's
any
tenants
that
could
foreseeably
generate.
A
Members
of
the
public,
to
the
degree
that
it
might
create
that
Parkinson
or
that
traffic
situation
that
the
coffee
shop
would
have
generated.
If
that's
something
that
needs
to
be
a
consideration
in
terms
of
the
future
occupancies.
G
To
address
that
concern,
any
use
that
would
generate
that
kind
of
level
of
intense
development
would
most
likely
be
a
conditional
use
permit
in
that
zone,
which
would
be
brought
back
before
the
commission
for
consideration.
Okay,.
A
Thank
you,
I
really
think
it's
an
attractive
project
well.
Well,
then,
put
together.
It's
pretty
straightforward
from
my
vantage
point.
So
with
that,
if
we
could
have
reading
the
resolution.
G
Resolution
number
PC
2022-13
a
resolution
of
the
Planning
Commission
of
the
City
of
Camarillo,
approving
a
request
by
Darlene
Development
Group
LLC
for
an
industrial
plan
development
permit
to
demolish
the
existing
structures
on
the
subject
site,
with
the
exception
of
the
existing
water
tower
structure,
which
will
be
preserved
on
the
site
and
the
construction
of
three
multi-tenant
industrial
buildings.
Totaling.
Forty
thousand
four
hundred
and
seven
square
feet
in
the
light
manufacturing
M1
zone
for
the
described
and
set
forth
as
ipd
408.
A
E
A
So
we
will
move
on
to
public
hearings,
now,
item
C
recommendation
of
a
zoning
ordinance
amendment
to
create
a
public
initiation
procedure
for
zoning
ordinance
text
Amendment.
G
Thank
you,
chairman
Espinoza,
so
we're
really
excited
to
bring
this
one
forward
for
you
guys
consideration
currently
they're
the
only
process
that
we
have
in
our
municipal
code
to
change
the
zoning
development
standards
in
in
our
code
are
initiated
by
the
city.
Now
this
before
you
use
a
consideration
to
allow
a
public
initiation
process
where
our
initiated
process,
where,
if
a
business
coming
to
town
wanted
to,
you
know,
change
a
development
standard
that
may
be
a
little
old
and
it's
not
current
anymore
or
no
longer
really
applies
to
that
industry.
N
Thank
you
David
and
hello,
chairman
Espinosa
and
planning
Commissioners,
it's
nice
to
meet
you
tonight
so
tonight
I'll
be
going
over
the
public
initiation
procedure
for
zoning
ordinance
text
Amendment.
So
in
summary,
the
city's
considering
a
proposed
amendment
to
the
zoning
ordinance
of
the
Camarillo
Municipal
Code
19.72.
That
would
create
a
public
initiation
procedure
for
a
zoning
ordinance
text.
Amendment,
currently
just
a
review.
The
the
zoning
ordinance
Texas
movements
go
through
Planning,
Commission
and
through
then
the
city
council
public
hearing
process.
So
that's
kind
of
just
how
we
do
it
now.
N
That's
the
process
that
will
continue
with
some
some
amendments.
So
there's
some
background.
In
2018,
the
city
council
adopted
the
economic
development
strategic
plan
that
included
the
high
priority
initiatives
to
streamlining
and
increase
the
friendliness
of
the
development
review
process
for
businesses
in
the
city
and
in
February
of
22
city
council
established
goals
and
objectives
for
the
fiscal
year.
22-23..
The
economic
development
goal
is
to
maintain
a
positive
environment
for
the
expansion
and
retention
of
existing
business
through
staff
assistance
and
the
efficient
processing
of
proposals.
N
So
staff
has
identified
an
opportunity
to
increase
business
and
development
friendliness
by
amending
chapter
19.72
of
the
municipal
code,
which
outlines
those
procedures
for
initiating
a
zoning
ordinance
text
amendments.
That
process
is
the
instrument
for
amending
the
municipal
code
and
is
important
because
it
allows
for
the
evolution
of
our
municipal
code
and
for
new
business
uses
or
modification
removal
or
enhancement
of
development
standards
and
regulations
in
various
zones.
N
So,
under
the
current
municipal
code,
if
you
use
is
not
defined
or
there's
an
outdated
regulation
for
an
industry,
it
becomes
really
difficult
for
business
that
comes
in
to
move
forward
or
Implement
their
business
ideas
So.
Currently
there
is
no
public
initiation
procedure
for
a
zoning
ordinance
text
Amendment
under
the
current
CMC.
N
Basically,
I
already
wrote
or
settled
that
stuff,
so
I
won't
say
it
again,
but
the
Planning,
Commission
or
the
city
council
has
to
bring
forward
a
zoning
ordinance,
tax,
amendment
or
staff.
So
there's
no
ability
for
a
member
of
the
public
just
to
walk
in
and
do
that.
N
So
a
solution
is
creating
a
public
initiation
procedure
for
the
zoning
ordinance
text
Amendment,
which
would
provide
a
framework
for
how
new
ideas
can
be
explored.
Providing
this
option
reduces
the
uncertainty
on
how
to
proceed
when
an
applicant
has
a
new
idea
that
doesn't
fit
into
the
existing
codes.
This
will
increase
the
city's
ability
to
be
business
and
development
friendly
and
is
good
for
economic
development.
N
So
our
Economic
Development
land
use
committee
met
on
July
22nd
very
recently,
and
we
made
a
presentation
to
them
on
this
proposed
public
initiation
procedure.
The
committee
unanimously
provided
concurrence
for
City
staff
to
prepare
a
zoa
for
consideration
for
recommendation
of
approval
by
the
Planning
Commission
to
the
city
council,
so
other
jurisdictions.
They
have
a
zoning
ordinance
text
amendments,
and
these
are
just
some
of
our
our
neighbors
Thousand
Oaks
Moore
Park
and
Simi
Valley.
They
all
have
public
initiation
procedures.
N
These
vary
in
each
City
just
slightly
depending
on
you
know,
when
they
want
to
take
a
payment
or
or
what
which
order
of
operations
they
go
through.
But
the
standard
procedure
is
that
the
zoning
ordinance
tax
amendment
goes
to
Planning
Commission
for
public
hearing
and
then
to
city
council
for
public
hearing
and
the
zoning
orange
text.
Amendments
aren't
adding
an
extensive
amount
to
the
workload
they
get
about
one
or
two
per
year
in
those
cities.
N
So,
as
far
as
the
proposed
procedure
goes,
staff
proposes
this
following
procedure,
which
is
actually
in
alignment
with
our
city
council
policy
1.01,
which
talks
about
the
purpose
for
the
economic
development,
land
use
committee
and
the
definition
of
that
Committee.
Just
for
your
information
is
to
meet
periodically
to
discuss
Economic,
Development
tourism
and
implementation
of
the
economic
development
strategic
plan,
and
they
also
review
and
consider
initiation
of
zoning
ordinance
amendments
and
other
unique
land
use
matters.
N
So
various
stakeholders
from
local
businesses
and
economic
development
related
organizations
attend
those
meetings,
so
it
kind
of
we're
creating
a
procedure
that
follows
the
definition
of
that
committee.
So
it
will
help
that
committee
have
or
be
able
to
do
what
it's
supposed
to
do.
So
the
applicant
would
submit
a
request
if
quicker
options
are
exhausted
and
they
may
make
a
request
through
a
form
submission
to
Community
Development
Department.
N
After
that
staff
will
connect
conduct
an
initial
investigation
and
draft
a
brief
report
on
the
suggested
zoa
to
be
presented
to
the
economic
development
landies
committee
for
review.
After
the
initial
review
a
similar,
it
would
be
similar
to
pre-application
at
no
cost
to
the
applicant,
and
then
we
would
bring
that
to
the
economic
development
land
use
committee
at
that
committee
meeting.
N
N
So
there
are
no
changes
to
chapter
19.72
as
it
relates
to
the
Planning
Commission
or
the
city
council
procedures.
It
would
just
be
adding
the
application
and
then
the
review
by
the
economic
development,
land
use
committee
and
then,
after
the
city
council,
public
hearing.
The
decision
on
the
subject
is
final.
N
N
N
So
recommendation
at
the
conclusion
of
a
public
hearing
staff
recommends
that
Planning
Commission
adopt
a
resolution
recommending
approval
to
the
city
council
of
a
proposed
ordinance
amending
Camry
Municipal
Code
chapter
19.72
to
create
a
public
initiation
procedure
for
a
zoning
ordinance
tax
amendment.
That
concludes
my
presentation
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
A
N
F
Yeah
on
that
Economic
Development
land
use
committee
is
that
is
that
the
city
council,
that
that
acts
in
that
capacity
correct?
Are
there
any
other
members
of
the
public
on
that
or
just
city
council?
No,
it's
two
City
Council
Members,
two
and
then,
and
so
they
do.
They
haven't
noticed
public
hearing,
because
you
you
mentioned
that
members
of
the
public
attend
the
meetings
and
you
get
input
yeah.
N
That's
correct
the
city
clerk
post
it
in
accordance
with
the
brown
Act
and
and
so
there's
just
two
members
on
that
there
are
two
city
council
members
and
then
members
of
the
public
go
in
and
it's
more
informational
updates
or
public
comments.
Okay,.
N
Have
so
if
yeah,
it
helps
guide
the
decision.
So,
basically,
if
somebody
were
to
want
to
go
through
the
zoa
process
and
say
both
of
the
city
council
members
were
opposed,
there's
still
three
other
City
Council
Members.
So
what
that
means
is
that
the
applicant
knows
that
two
of
them
will
say
no,
but
they
may
have
better
luck
with
the
other
three
City.
O
N
N
It
it's
probably
predated
me
so
I
can't
answer
that
question,
but
it
it
has
been
around
since
before
I've
been
here.
So.
G
N
C
C
Otherwise,
it's
like
reading
a
legal
piece
and
you
think
it's
missing
or
you
don't
understand
it
or
something.
It's
not
really
clear.
So
this
not
only
helps
to
get
something
new,
but
also
to
clarify
things
if
they
need
clarifying
from
what
I
see
so
and
if
that's,
if
I'm
correct
on
that,
then
I
think
it's
a
great
idea.
A
D
Have
a
couple
of
questions
explain
to
me
how
this
differs
from
spot
zoning.
N
So
zoning
ordinance
text
Amendment
would
apply
to
a
whole
zone
so
spot
zoning
is
just
one
property
in
a
Zone,
and
so,
if
you
were
to
change
the
rules
for
that
one
property,
that's
spot
zoning,
but
a
zoning
ordinance
text
Amendment
what
would
apply
to
a
whole
zone.
So
if
it's
in
the
M1
Zone
it
would,
it
would
apply
to
the
whole
M1
zone
or
an
re
Zone
that
could
apply
to
the
whole
re
Zone.
N
G
So
if,
if
this
process
was
put
into
place,
let's
say
there's
an
industry
that
or
a
business
owner
who
wants
to
come
into
the
the
M1
Zone-
and
you
know
we
have
a
height
requirement
of
just
you
know,
kind
of
hypothetically
just
say
30
feet,
but
with
their
their
systems
and
their
racking
and
their
storage,
they
need
35
feet
so,
instead
of
going
through
a
conditional
use
permit
and
coming
to
the
Planning
Commission,
what
they
want
to
say
is
that
you
know
this
is
an
old
requirement
development
requirement
and
it
really
needs
to
be
35
feet
and
you
shouldn't
be,
you
know,
holding
you
know
having
that
older
development
standard
applied
to
this
newer
industry
or
business
that's
coming
to
town,
so
they
could
petition
to
to
remove
it
and
increase
it
to
whatever
height.
G
You
know
the
35
feet,
and
then
that
would
be
brought
before
the
Planning
Commission.
Well,
actually,
the
the
process
that
Mr
Winkler
laid
out
versus
the
economic
development
land
use
committee
and
then
to
the
Planning
Commission
and
then
to
the
city
council
to
actually
change
the
development
standard
which
would
apply
to
every
single
property
Citywide.
That's
zoned
M1,
for
example,.
G
It's
not
it's
not
just
one
property.
It's
it's
tied
to
the
zoning,
so
I
I
see
what
you're
saying
it
they
still
would
have
to
go
through
and
change
the
process,
but
really
what
that,
what
that
is
doing.
It's
really
opening
up
the
door
and
changing
the
process
for
all
those
other
businesses
of
that
type
that
need,
for
example,
you
know
hypothetically
we're
talking
that
increase
height.
It
kind
of
paves
the
way
it
changes
it.
It's
a
process
for
like
say
life
science
or
you
know
to
come
in
or
some
other
kind
of
new.
G
You
know
techie
industry
that
wants
to
come
in
and
our
development
standards
really
don't
make
it
easy
for
them
to
come
in
or
it
limits
them
from
coming
in
and
really
using
the
building
to
what
they
need.
So
they
can
come
in
and
petition
the
city
saying
hey:
this
is
an
obsolete.
You
know
development
standard
for
our
industry.
We
can't
come
here.
That's
why
we're
not
here
because
of
these
development
standards.
G
If
you
change
it,
then
it
would
really
open
up
and
we
can
go
anywhere
in
the
the
LM
zone
or
the
M1
Zone,
because
now
you
change
the
development
standard.
So
the
there's
a
little
bit
of
effort
to
change
it
up
up
front,
but
it
would
really
open
up
the
doors
for
more
businesses
of
that
type
to
come
into
the
City
and
locate
and
and
set
up
shop
in
town.
D
G
D
D
D
N
Well,
commissioner,
Thomas,
let
me
just
back
up
a
step
to
what
David
was
trying
to
explain
so,
for
instance,
we're
looking
at
the
life
science
Industry
as
one
of
the
the
key
Industries,
that's
highlighted
in
the
economic
development
strategic
plan
is
making
the
city
as
a
place
for
Innovation
Advanced
Tech
life
science.
N
But
when
you
go
to
other
communities,
they
allow
different
things
in
their
Community
by
right
and
that
that
changes
the
fabric
of
business
attraction
so
like
right
now,
if
we
were
to
go
market
to
life
science
companies
just
as
an
example,
they
would
say
great.
That
sounds
amazing.
Your
city's
got
the
highest
quality
of
life,
but
when
they
get
to
the
planning
desk,
they
would
say
I
want
to
put
a
electric
standby
generator
in
the
parking
lot
and
we'd
go.
Oh
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
how
that
works
out
for
us.
N
It's
not
in
the
code.
We
need
to
put
HVAC
on
the
roof.
Well,
it's
really
tall
like
how
does
that
work
in
the
code
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
are
just
not
described
in
our
code
and
so
so
in
that
we're
getting
ahead
of
yourself,
because
I'll
actually
be
presenting
this
to
you
in
probably
a
month
or
so
or
two
months.
But
there
are
a
lot
of
development
standards
that
need
to
change
for,
for
our
city
to
attract
those
Industries
as
a
whole.
So
this
is
just
a
public
initiation
procedure.
D
Well,
okay:
I
hear
what
you're
saying,
but
I,
don't
necessarily
buy
into
it
from
the
standpoint
that
why
can't
a
life,
science
or
physical
science
or
whatever,
why
can't
they
as
a
property
owner,
come
and
ask
to
follow
the
existing
process
that
would
allow
them
to
build
to
40
feet.
Let's
say
thank.
N
So
if
they
were
to
buy
a
house
per
se
or
buy
a
property
they're
not
going
to
wait
six
to
nine
months
to
figure
out
if
they
can
or
cannot
put
an
HVAC
system
on
the
roof
and
that's
what
changes
with
the
zoa,
as
you
would
allow
this
by
right,
so
that
they
know
when
they
buy
the
property
that
they
can
move
into
town
and
start
a
business
and
do
what
they
need
to
do.
Whereas
if
you
had
a
cup
attached
to
it,
they
would
not
buy
that
property
in
there
just
go
to
another
city.
D
Not
at
all,
not
at
all,
it
doesn't
make
sense.
It
seems
that
you're
twice
involving
the
economic
development
Group,
which
is
two
people
of
the
city
council,
and
at
only
when
it
is
approved,
buy
them
and
a
fee
is
paid.
Does
it
come
to
the
Planning
Commission?
D
Well,
why
does
that
then
Fast
Track
them
to
make
more
business
friendly,
Camarillo
I
didn't
I
failed
to
follow
your
logic.
N
Sure
I
mean
right
now,
there's
there's
no
process,
so
if
a
business
owner
were
to
come
in
and
say
with,
our
next
item
want
to
do
a
smoking
Lounge
in
town
There's
No
process
for
that,
so
it's
just
not
in
a
loud
use,
so
we
would
just
say
no
that
may
it
may
potentially
be
a
use
that
the
city
wants.
So
this
establishes
a
procedure
for
the
public
to
come
in
as
a
property
owner
and
say:
hey,
I
own
this
property.
N
N
The
link
and
that's
where
it
gets
into
that
spot
zoning
scenario.
So
if
we
were
to
just
say
that
one
property
could
have
a
smoking
Lounge
now
it's
a
spot
zoning
scenario,
so
maybe
David
or
somebody
from
planning
can
talk
a
little
more
about
the
land
use
laws
as
far
as
that's
concerned,
but
that's
the
reason:
we'd
have
to
go
through
a
zoning
ordinance
text,
amendment
process
versus
just
a
variance
or
something
for
that
one
property.
G
Yeah,
just
to
kind
of
clarify
the
item
before
the
Planning
Commission
tonight
is
really
just
the
the
initiation
of
a
public
process
where
anyone
in
in
the
from
the
public
can
come
into
the
city,
fill
out
an
application
and
and
kind
of
have
a
quick,
read,
saying:
hey
we
want
to.
We
think
you
guys
should
change
these
development
standards.
Not
necessarily
Peg
do
an
individual
property,
but
just
in
that
zone
altogether,
and
if
it
is
a
business
looking
to
come
to
town
and
looking
in
at
certain
you
know
zoning.
G
They
could
do
that
and
then
that
opens
up
not
just
one
property
for
them
to
potentially
locate
at,
but
a
a
bunch
of
properties
throughout
the
city
that
would
that
could
meet
their
needs.
And
so
it's
really
an
opportunity
for
both
the
city
to
modernize
our
our
codes
and
development
standards
to
be
able
to
attract
newer
businesses
that
that
are
more
like
the
I
want
to
say,
like
Cutting
Edge,
or
pushing
the
limits
a
little
bit
with
technology.
G
And
you
know
it
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
adapt
to
that
and
that,
but
it
also
allows
them
to
come
in
and
if
this
is
a
market
they
want
to
serve
or
if
you
know
their
their
their
employee
base.
You
know,
and
you
know,
being
close
to
the
port
and
being
close
to
the
Cal
State
Channel
Islands.
They
want
to
be
here,
but
they
just
can't.
So
we
can
work
with
them
to
really.
G
D
All
that
we
have
done
for
the
past
60
years
or
50
years
and
say:
okay
come
on
down,
you
tell
us
what
you
want
and
we'll
see
if
it
fits
and
I
don't
necessarily
buy
that
on
an
individual
basis
for
the
property
that
makes
sense,
but
for
the
you
university-wide
I
I
don't
buy
it
because
then
you
could
have
a
lot
of
people
say.
Well
wait
a
minute!
What
about
me?
D
How
come
I
can't
do
that,
and
can
they
in
fact
do
that
now
with
the
property
with
it
say
we
are
proof
this
does
then,
that
open
the
door
then
for
anyone
else
to
come
in
and
say:
oh
well,
I
want
to
take
it
from
40
to
50
feet
and
then
oh
okay,
we'll
do
50
feet
and
what
about
75
and
pretty
soon
it
starts
growing?
What's
going
to
stop
yeah.
G
So
to
address
your
question
that
you
hit
it
right
the
nail
right
on
the
head
with
with
your
question,
so
we
don't
have
a
process
right
now
and
that's
the
beauty
of
this
item
for
before
the
Planning
Commission
for
consideration.
This
item
creates
that
process
for
the
city
to
analyze,
review
and
just
consider.
We
don't
we're
not
necessarily
saying
we
have
to
change
our
development
standards,
but
this
is
something
like.
If
there
was
a
change
or
requested
change
or
proposal,
it
would
come.
It
would
go
to
the
the
committee.
G
That's
why
we're
that?
That's?
Why
we're
we're
doing
this
item
right
now,
to
make
it
very
clear
to
provide
a
very
clear
path
for
the
public
to
initiate
a
zoning
tax
amendment.
A
If
I
could
just
interject
something
here,
real
quick
So,
currently
we're
talking
about
making
a
text
Amendment
lying
with
the
Planning
Commission
or
the
city
council
having
to
be
the
initiators
and
if,
under
the
current,
the
way
we
have
things
set
up,
a
member
of
the
public
could
come
at
a
council
meeting,
for
example,
who
might
speak
at
the
open
public
comment
period
and
say:
hey,
you
know
what
I
really
want
to
do
something
but
I'm
being
told
I
can't
and
I've
got
really
great
rationale
for
why
things
need
to
change.
A
They
could
actually
make
that
kind
of
presentation
on
their
own
and
Council
or
Planning.
Commission
could
say
you
know
what
that
might
be
a
good
idea.
Maybe
we
ought
to
consider
a
half
staff
to
look
into
that.
I
mean
it's
the
same
sort
of
thing
right.
We
might
be
sort
of
similar
to
what
we're
talking
about.
G
Yes,
I
in
that
situation
that
that
that's
possible
I
mean
the
any
member
of
the
public.
Can
you
know,
speak
with
at
a
city
council
meeting
for
three
minutes
and
and
have
that
request.
But
then
it's
the
council's
decision
to
actually
move
forward
and
initiate
it
where
what's
different
with
this
process,
is
that
it's
an
application
that
we
will
look
at
and
you
get
a
read
and
you're
able
to
go
through
the
process.
A
Okay,
so
so
we
can
initiate
an
application.
Now.
Is
there
a
fee
that
they
pay
for
just
that
initial
step
for.
A
G
That
that
the
fee
would
be
set
but
where
the
fee
would
come
in
as
as
Mr
Winkler
was
saying,
is
that
the
initial
application,
and
then
that
application
is
studied
and
presented
to
the
you
know
Economic
Development
and
land
use
committee,
which
is
two
council
members
and
they'll
kind
of
give
a
you
know
their
their
opinions
on
it
and
then
it's
up
to
the
applicant
if
they
really
want
to
move
their
their
request
through
the
process
and
if
they
want
to,
then
they
pay
the
fee.
G
And
then
we
bring
it
to
the
Planning
Commission
for
consideration
with
a
recommendation
going
to
the
city
council,
for
you
know
for
their
their
policy
decision
and
if
they
don't
want
to
move
forward,
it's
they're
it.
You
know
they're
they're,
not
out
of
pocket.
So
but
it's
one
of
the
the
services
that
we
provide.
So
the
the
main
difference
is
right.
Now
we
don't
have
this
process
where
this
this
item
before
the
Planning
Commission
tonight
would
create
a
process
for
people
to
do
that.
Okay,.
A
Let
me
see
if
I
understand
the
so
say
a
thousand
oaks,
for
example:
they've
got
a
process
where
it's
actually
the
applicant
would
go
to
the
full
City
Council.
In
fact,
if
I
read
that
right,
not
just
a
committee
of
two
but
they
go
to
full
Council
to
say,
hey
here's
the
application
now
they
would
weigh
in
and
say
you
know
what
go
forward
and
look
into
it
and
see
if
it's
doable
is.
N
Hold
on
one
moment,
let
me
just
look
it
up
so
I
believe
Thousand
Oaks
has
an
application
as
well,
and
then
they
bring
that
to
the
city
council.
And
if
the
city
council
makes
a
motion
to
investigate
it,
then
the
staff
investigates
it
after
that,
that's
similar,
but
they
don't
have
the
committee
that
we
have
here,
but.
A
But
full
Council
basically
says
yeah,
you
know
what
it's
worth
having
the
staff
look
into
it
or
no,
we
know
we're
not
even
going
there
they've
correct,
they'd
have
one
or
the
other
right
in
our
case,
we're
proposing
to
have
the
committee
of
two
to
basically
do
do
that.
Take
that
step.
You
know
they.
They
talked
about
a
deposit
in
Thousand
Oaks.
Is
that
where
the
the
person
would
pay
money
up
front,
but
not
actually,
if
it's
rejected,
they
would
not
actually
have
to
pay.
Ultimately,
if
it
is
rejected,
good.
N
Question
so
in
some
other
cities,
what
they
do
is
they
take
a
deposit
and,
as
the
staff
starts
working
on
the
project,
they
start
adding
up
on
the
bill
and
as
it
hits
that
deposit
amount
for
staff
time,
then
they
stop
working
on
the
project
and
the
investigation
and
they
go
back
to
the
applicant
and
say:
okay
now
you
owe
us
more
money
in
Camarillo
we
don't
have
any
Project
based
fees.
We
are
a
little
more
friendly
in
that
regard
to
where
we
just
have
a
set
fee
for
each
project.
N
A
Okay,
I
mean
I
appreciate
what
they're
trying
to
accomplish
here.
In
terms
of
you
know,
trying
to
create
a
you
know,
meet
the
Strategic
plan
and
create
a
more
business
friendly
environment,
but
you
had
to
consider
you
know:
was
there
a
downside,
you
know:
was
there
a
Pandora's
Box
we
may
be
opening
here?
Could
the
public
abuse
this
Avenue
we're
giving
them?
N
The
the
other
cities,
it's
once
again,
it's
a
very
limited
amount
of
people
applying
for
these.
So
as
they
come,
they
they
take
them
and
there's
a
process.
So
you
know
if
it's
about
like
the
building
height
and
you
don't
want
it
to
go
over
a
certain
amount.
You
know
the
committee,
the
commission
and
the
city
council
can
easily
say
we're
not
interested
in
that.
So
the
process
itself
allows
for
this
discovery
and
these
things
to
be
known
by
staff
in
a
documented
way.
F
I
kind
of
look
at
it
different,
I
I.
Think
it's
a
great
idea,
I
think
it's
going
to
open.
You
know
Innovative
thought
coming
from
the
public.
You
know
you
guys
are
working
on
the
stuff
you're
working
on
they're
going
to
come
in,
they
can
initiate
it,
which
they
can't
do
now
and
it's
still
subject
to
review
and
scrutiny.
So
if
it's
a
crazy
idea,
it's
not
going
to
get
past
that
but
I
think
it's
going
to
open
the
door
for
the
city
to
get
a
lot
more
ideas
and
things
I
haven't
thought
about.
F
That'll,
you
know
stimulate
business,
some
new
ideas
coming
into
town
and
it
gives
them
a
a
process
to
initiate
that
because
otherwise,
if
you
come
to
public
hearing
for
three
minutes
and
City
council's
working
on
a
bunch
of
other
stuff
and
there's
you
know
it's
pretty
limited
but
can
be
revealed
and
most
likely,
those
new
ideas
may
not
come
off.
You
know
get
off
the
ground,
and
this
way
you
have
a
a
method
where
they
can
meet
at
that
committee
level
and
if
they
can
convince
them
that
this
is
a
good
thing.
F
I
think
that'll
open
up
opportunities
for
business
to
come
in
the
city,
so
I
I,
like
it
I,
think
I
I
support
it
and
it
seemed
like
in
the
other
city:
it's
not
over
burdensome,
they
get
a
couple
a
year,
but
it
it
would
give
the
public
that
ability
to
initiate
their
own
creative
idea
that
otherwise
they
may
not.
You
know,
get
a
chance
to
do
and.
F
A
C
C
It
was
stated
you
know,
I
think
that
when
they
come
into
that
the
committee
and
then
the
Planning
Commission
and
the
city
city
council
will
have
to
look
and
see.
Is
there
a
reason
for
this
and
is
it
viable
and
is
it
going
to
go
with
the
other
properties?
But
you
do
have
the
chance
of
hearing
things
that
you
wouldn't
think
of
as
being
viable
to
fill
those
buildings.
C
A
You
process
so
one
last
thing
I
wanted
to
ask:
is
that
I
assume
you
reached
out
to
the
cities
that
don't
actually
have
this
process
in
place
and
I'm
curious
I
mean
because
Thousand,
Oaks
and
Moore
Park
I
mean
they've,
got
pretty
sound
economic
base
and
yet
they're
pushing
forward
with
more
open
ideas?
Why
would
you
get
any
sort
of
like
feedback
as
to
why
the
other
cities
haven't
visited?
This
idea.
N
A
Okay,
see
you
then
we'll
see
you
through
the
open
public
comment
period
on
this.
Do
you
have
any
speaker
cards?
None!
Okay,
see!
You
know
we'll
go
ahead
and
close
public
comment
on
this
General.
L
Mr
chair
members
of
the
commission
Chuck
going
from
Thousand
Oaks.
Your
question
was
germane
to
me,
so
I
thought
I
might
just
help
facilitate,
because
in
a
way,
what
would
my
client
did
was
to
initiate
this
whole
concept?
For
you
to
give
it
further
consideration,
you
might
notice
that
the
the
other
three
cities
that
already
have
adopted
this
kind
of
approach
are
all
non-charter
cities.
The
the
charter
cities
probably
have
this
within
their
Charter
to
be
able
to
do
this
with
or
without
further
legislation.
L
I,
don't
know
the
answer
to
that.
But
I
do
know
that
the
chart
that
the
non-charter
cities
Camarillo
more
Park,
Thousand
Oaks
Simi
Valley-
have
taken
this
on,
because
what
it
basically
does
is
equates
the
amount,
the
ability
of
a
private
citizen
to
have
the
ability
to
bring
this
to
the
attention
of
the
city.
Just
as
a
member
of
the
city
council
would-
and
your
point
is
certainly
well
taken-
you
could
I
could
go
to
a
mayor
in
Thousand,
Oaks
and
say:
I've
got
this
idea.
L
Would
you
initiate
it
and
he
can
also
say
no
I
could
do
the
other
four
Council
and
I
could
say
no,
but
I
was
still
under
this
situation,
have
a
right
to
at
least
bring
it
to
to
a
public
hearing
for
the
public
to
give
a
consideration.
There's,
there's
Mr
Thomas
you're
concern
about
the
application
of
this
as
being
controlling
of
other
properties.
Basically,
it's
not
controlling.
All
it
does
is
open
up
the
opportunity
for
them
to
be
able
to
utilize
it
if
they
choose.
L
The
reason
that
we
brought
this
to
the
attention
of
the
city
is
that
my
client's
property
is
in
the
LM
Zone,
and
we
found
out
that
what
he
wants
to
do
is
not
a
permitted
use
a
meal
on
his
own,
but
the
reality
is.
It
was
just
not
considered
a
meow
m
Zone
when
that
zoning
Matrix
of
uses
was
put
together.
It
is
allowed
in
the
M1
zone,
so
there's
no,
no
qualitative
difference
with
respect
to
why
it
should
be
allowed
in
one
use
in
one
zone
and
not
allow
it
in
another
Zone.
L
So
it
gives
the
ability
to
be
able
to
make
Corrections
where,
where
the
zoning
ordinance
is
either
obsolete
on
a
point
or
is,
is
unclear
on
a
point
so
just
and
the
reality
is
that
we
couldn't
move
forward
with
what
we're
trying
to
achieve,
which
is
to
bring
the
two
zones
into
com
into
Conformity
with
one
another.
We
couldn't
achieve
it
unless
the
city
has
this
tool
already
available
to
it
in
order
to
be
able
to
to
at
least
consider
it
at
least
consider
it.
L
A
F
I
support
it
for
the
reasons
I
spoke
of
I
think
there's
still
going
to
be
a
real
good
checks
and
balance,
because
it's
got
to
still
go
through
a
process,
but
it
allows
an
individual
citizen
to
initiate
it.
You
know
so
I
I
think
it'll
create
new
ideas
and
New
Opportunities
and
anything.
That's
good
for
business
and
and
the
chance
for
improving
business
I
think
is
good
for
the
city,
so
I
I
support
it
and
I
think
it
was
well
written
so
anyway.
Those
are
my
comments.
Okay,.
C
And
I
support
it
for
those
same
reasons,
because
I
do
see
it
as
an
opportunity
to
hear
other
ideas
that
we
might
not
consider
otherwise
and
when
I've
looked
at
a
lot
of
when
I
worked
for
the
assessor's
office.
In
my
industrial
area
and
Commercial
area
was
inventor
and
then
in
Oxnard
looked
at
all
the
different
uses
they
had
in
some
of
their
industrial
areas
from
small
industrial
areas
to
big
buildings,
and
such
it
was
a
broad
range
of
tenants
that
they
had.
C
And
if
we
don't
listen
to
some
of
these
or
get
a
chance
to
hear
some
of
these
different
ideas,
they
might
be
different
and
give
us
a
chance
to
bring
in
more
customers
more
businesses
and
I.
Just
say
it
is
a
good
way
to
do
that.
To
get
some
additional
ideas
and
uses
of
our
facilities
throughout
the
city
and
bring
business
in
that's
good.
So
I'm
I'm
in
favor
of
this.
D
The
individual
project
could
be
very,
very
frustrating.
This
simply
allows
a
process
to
begin,
and
the
relative
merits
or
demerits
of
the
project
can
be
developed
in
time
with
the
review
by
the
committee
to
members
of
the
council
and
then
the
Planning
Commission,
and
then
ultimately,
the
the
full
City
Council,
but
not
having
the
opportunity
to
do
this.
In
other
words,
leaving
things
the
way
they
are
is
I,
think
Antiquated
and
we
do
need
to
have
the
change.
So
my
wire,
brushing
of
the
comment,
was
not
antagonistic
at
all.
D
It
was
more
just
to
drive
to
the
point
that
there
are
other
considerations
to
think
about
opening.
The
dialogue
in
this
regard,
I
think,
is
fully
supported
by
the
the
commission,
at
least
by
me.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
Mrs
I,
don't
really
see
any
problem
with
moving
forward
here
and
supporting
this
I
think
that
you
know
it.
A
It's
only
the
ordinance
of
allowing
the
door
to
open
that
we're
acting
on
here
it
doesn't
mean
that
any
necessarily
any
proposals
for
change
is
going
to
be
acceptable
or
approved,
but
we
at
least
provide
a
process
and
an
Avenue
for
someone
in
the
public
to
actually
do
more
than
a
three-minute
presentation
to
Council
in
order
to
try-
and
you
can't
have
the
proposal
heard
and
nothing
more
so
with
this
ordinance
in
in
lawyers
presented,
I
was
supported
and
we
can
go
ahead
and
move
forward.
Reading
of
the
resolution.
G
A
A
Does
anybody
needed
pause
from
we
move
on
good
all
right,
we're
moving
on
to
item
D
Zone
new
ordinance
amendment
to
allow
smoking
lounges
in
the
city's
limited
manufacturing
Zone
we
can
have
staff
reporting
this.
O
N
Thank
you,
Mr
MO,
okay,
so
the
proposed
Earth
summary
is
the
proposed
amendment
to
the
zoning
ordinance
of
the
Cameroon
Municipal
Code,
section
9.28.050.
N
So
just
we
have
already
went
through
this,
so
I
won't
go
through
that
again,
but
the
Planning
Commission
looks
at
the
zoning
ordinance
text
Amendment
and
then
it
goes
to
the
city
council.
The
LM
zone
is
intended
to
provide
for
and
encourage
planted
industrial
districts
compatible
with
surrounding
or
abutting
residential
zones,
which
would
not
in
any
way
depreciate.
N
The
character
of
the
community
uses
are
to
be
confined
to
those
administrative,
wholesaling,
warehousing
and
Manufacturing
activities
that
can
be
carried
on
in
an
unobtrusive
Manner
and
to
certain
accessory
facilities
that
are
necessary
to
serve
employees
in
the
zone.
So
that's
the
definition
of
the
LM
Zone
you'll,
see
here
on
the
map.
The
little
the
light
blue
areas
are
all
the
LM
zones
in
City
of
Camarillo.
N
On
May
17
2022
staff
received
a
request
for
a
zoning
ordinance
text
amendment
to
allow
smoking
lounges
in
the
city's
LM
Zone
from
the
property
owner
of
912
Pancho
Road
on
the
22nd.
The
economic
development
land
use
committee
unanimously
provided
concurrence
for
the
city
staff
to
prepare
the
zoa
and
for
consideration
for
a
recommendation
of
approval
to
the
Planning
Commission
to
city
council.
N
N
So
there
is
a
workplace,
smoking
exemptions,
ab13
from
1995.
It
restricts
workplace
smoking.
However,
per
labor
code,
section
6404.5,
a
smoking
Lounge
is
not
considered
a
place
of
employment
and
is
exempt.
Ab13
requires
that
smoking
lounges
are
in
an
enclosed
area
or
attached
to
a
retail
or
wholesale
tobacco
shop
that
is
dedicated
to
the
use
of
tobacco
products,
including,
but
not
limited
to
Cigars
pipes
to
comply
with
this
exemption.
N
A
tobacco
Shop's
main
purpose
must
be
to
sell
tobacco
products
and
paraphernalia,
and
the
tobacco
shop
must
have
a
separate
entrance,
a
separate
enclosure
and
a
separate
business
license
from
any
other
establishment
on
the
property.
Additionally,
they
can't
sell
alcohol,
food
or
other
non-tobacco
related
products,
because
that
whole
purpose
of
that
shop
has
to
be
selling
tobacco.
N
N
So
we'll
go
into
the
impacts
right
away.
The
impacts
of
zoa
covers
an
entire
specific
zoning
area
in
the
city,
so
it
will
affect
many
properties
within
the
zoning
designation
and
not
just
the
immediate
neighbors
of
the
subject
property.
If
an
ordinance
is
adopted,
then
we
can
have
more
smoking
lounges
across
the
LM
Zone,
which
may
or
may
not
have
negative
impacts
on
existing
tenants
in
those
zones
once
again
just
map
of
the
zone.
N
So
you
can
kind
of
see
where
those
areas
would
be
impacted,
other
impacts
depending
on
hours
of
operations,
it
might
impact
other
users.
So
you
know
you,
the
ordinance
is
presented
will
have
adequate
measures
taken
to
eliminate
smoke
from
the
neighbors,
but
there
still
could
be
issues
of
smoke
drifting
into
neighboring
units
or
how
that's
going
to
impact
businesses
that
may
just
be
against
smoking
in
general.
N
N
Thousand
Oaks
has
Old
Oaks,
cigars
and
liquor
Co,
and
it's
located
in
a
single
tenant
building
in
a
commercial
Zone
and
it's
surrounded
by
auto
repair
shops
and
gas
station.
A
Ventura
Cigar
Lounge
is
located
in
a
multi-tenant
building
in
a
commercial
Zone
and
Woodland
Hills
has
the
sticks,
private
Cigar
Lounge,
which
is
in
a
multi-tenant
building
in
a
commercial
Zone,
which
is
immediately
adjacent
to
residential
Zone.
N
So
the
proposed
ordinance
for
it
to
be
effective
for
this
we'd
have
to
add
it
to
the
camera
municipal
code.
Section
9.28050
for
uses
subject
to
conditional
use,
permit
an
amendment
that
would
add
smoking
Lounge
to
the
list
of
uses
subject
to
the
conditional
use
permit
in
the
zone
is
required.
So
that's
one
change
required.
We'd
have
to
change
the
definition
of
smoking
Lounge.
So,
as
I
mentioned,
the
ab13
has
the
definition,
but
it
does
not
have
a
particular
sales
threshold
tied
to
the
revenues
of
tobacco
and
smoking
products
and
paraphernalia.
N
So
with
a
business
model
for
a
smoking
Lounge,
it
maybe
sells
memberships,
but
it's
totally
around
the
idea
of
selling
tobacco,
so
just
not
trying
to
pigeonhole
them.
So
the
proposed
ordinance
amends
the
definition
to
a
business
established
for
the
primary
purpose
of
providing
customers
with
a
place
to
purchase
and
smoke
any
form
of
tobacco
or
electronic
smoking
device
product
and
or
purchase
smoking
products
in
paraphernalia
and
which
generates
the
majority
of
its
revenue
from
the
sale
of
smoking
products
and
paraphernalia.
N
We'd
also
have
to
change
the
the
health
and
safety
code
to
allow
smoking,
lounges
and
multi-tenant
buildings,
so
the
property,
the
specific
property
which
applied
for
the
zoning
ordinance
tax
amendment
is
a
multi-tenant
building
and
as
such
in
chapter
9.24
of
health
and
safety
code,
it
require
an
amendment
to
allow
smoking
lounges
to
be
in
a
building
with
other
tenants.
N
N
There's
also
Provisions
that
we've
added
in
the
proposed
ordinance
as
chapter
or
section
19.62.155
and
here's
a
list
of
those
Provisions
at
the
time
of
writing.
This
document,
I
am
too
old
and
I
didn't
know.
You
had
to
be
over
21
to
smoke
tobacco
anymore,
so
we've
actually
recommended
a
change
to
that.
If
this
moved
forward
right
now,
it
says
no
person's
under
18.
We
recommend
it
says
no
person's
under
21.
N
N
Lounge
is
three
thousand
square
feet,
because
we
don't
want
smoking
lounges
to
take
up
a
whole
industrial
building
and
have
it
get
out
of
control
commercial
General,
retail,
off
Street
one
space
per
250
square
feet
would
be
the
parking
requirement
and
then,
in
consistence
with
other
cities
that
have
smoking,
lounges
City
staff
would
be
allowed
to
enter
the
building
at
any
time
for
inspections,
with
no
interference
by
the
property
owners.
They
just
have
to
be
allowed
in
there
to
make
sure
they're
in
compliance
with
all
the
codes.
N
The
property
owner
would
not
be
able
to
transfer
the
cup
to
other
properties.
It
would
have
to
just
be
tied
to
that
specific
property
and
they
would
have
to
alert
the
planning
director
within
30
days
of
moving
to
a
new
property
or
closing
the
business.
I
should
say,
and
the
cup
could
be
revoked
at
any
time
for
non-compliance-
that's
written
in
there
and
the
smoking
Lounge
door
has
to
be
closed
at
all
times
and
the
smoking
has
to
incur
occur
inside
of
the
building.
So
those
are
the
provisions
we've
drafted.
N
So
once
again,
this
proposed
ordinances
exempt
from
sequa
and
the
recommendation
is
for
the
Planning
Commission
to
discuss
the
proposed
amendment
and,
if
appropriate,
you
may
adopt
the
resolution
recommending
approval
to
the
city
council,
the
proposed
ordinance
amending
Camarillo
Municipal
Code
chapter
9.24,
9.36
and
19.28,
and
adding
Municipal
Code
section
19.62155
to
allow
for
smoking
lounges
in
the
LM
Zone.
That
concludes
staff's
presentation.
G
Based
on
SAS
review
and
Consulting
with
our
city
attorney's
office,
we've
determined
that
it
was
exempt
from
sqa,
as
this
is
just
a
adding
the
the
use
onto
it
and
as
the
if
it
does
become
a
permitted
use
or
a
conditional
use
permit
or
conditional
use
in
the
code,
then
that
would
be
brought
forth
and
reviewed
for
SQL
at
that
time.
Also.
D
Q
Well
again,
I
I,
don't
we're
just
suggesting
a.
This
is
just
an
amendment
to
the
code
to
allow
people
to
bring
the
projects
forward.
It
is
not
a
project
in
and
of
itself,
and
therefore
it
is
not
a.
It
is
not
a
violation
of
sequoit
in
that
you're
Amendment
the
code.
If
someone
were
to
bring
a
project
forward,
then
you
would
want
to
have
it
have
a
a
negative
impact
declaration.
Q
D
Q
They're
asking
the
staff
to
do
to
to
approve
this
particular
project
or
our
recommended
approval
of
this
particular
project
or
just
recommended
proof
of
his
own
game.
G
It's
just
recommended
approval
of
the
Zone
change
to
allow
this
use.
Q
E
Q
Their
own
their
particular
project
forward,
then
then
I
would
agree
with
you
that
that
should
certainly
at
least
be
looked
into,
whether
or
not
we
get
a
negative
impact,
but
just
for
revising
it
to
allow
this
kind
of
use.
If
someone
were
to
come
forward
with
it,
not
any
of
itself,
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
it's
a
violation
of
zika
or
or
needs
a
negative
impact.
D
Q
Sorry,
perhaps
I'm
just
not
understanding
what
you're
saying,
because
a
an
individual
has
has
asked
that
a
change
to
me
in
the
code,
I
I
again,
I,
don't
see
how
that
affects,
how
that
creates
an
environmental
impact.
If
you
don't
actually
have
a,
if
you
don't
actually
have
a
smoking
lounge
or
even
one
in
one,
a
particular
one
being
proposed,
all
your
all
they're
asking
you
to
do
is
decide
on
whether
or
not
you
allow
such
such
properties
within
a
specular
Zone
you're
not
actually
voting
on
any
particular
project.
G
This
was
not
allowed
currently
in
that
zone
so,
and
there
was
no
clear
path
for
the
property
owner
to
of
that
location
to
initiate
the
the
text
Amendment,
so
the
city
is
bringing
it
Forward.
Now
this
use
is
not
specific.
Just
to
that
property,
could
it
the
the
person
could
be.
You
know,
live
outside.
You
know
or
operate
outside
of
the
community,
but
it
they're
trying
to
change
it
for
the
the
LM
Zone
city-wide
I.
A
I
totally
understand,
Mr
Tallmadge
is
I.
Think
the
point
that
I'm
unclear
about
is
if
it
is
generated
by
an
individual
property
owner
who
wants
to
eventually
conduct
a
business
in
an
area
where
he's
currently
not
allowed
I
mean
we
have
not.
Yet
all
we
did
previously
was
vote
on
a
recommendation
to
make
to
the
council,
and
the
council
still
has
to
and
there's
three
other
council
members
that
still
have
to
be
added
into
this
process
of
approving
what
we've
already
acted
on.
A
G
So
you're
correct
in
the
statement
that
we
don't
have
that
process
in
place
and
that's
why
the
the
property
owner
is
not
initiating
that
they
had
to
speak
with
the
the
city
and
the
city
is
bringing
this
forward
because
at
currently
the
only
way
to
bring
forward
a
zoning
tax
change
is
a
city-initiated
zoning
tax
change,
Bank.
G
It
goes
through
Planning,
Commission
and
city
council
for
review.
Yes
and
then,
if
it
you
know
it
becomes,
you
know
part
of
the
the
code.
Then
it
would
be
available
as
a
permitted
use
in
the
entire
Zone
throughout
the
city,
not
specific.
Just
to
that
location.
A
So
you're
saying
you're
we're
it's
being
brought
forward
by
staff,
but
we
are,
as
the
commission
tonight
are
the
initiators
of
this,
because
it's
either
the
Planning
Commission
or
the
council.
They
have
to
be
the
ones
that
initiate
a
text
Amendment
right,
one
or
two
of
those
two
bodies
right.
Yes,.
G
It
was,
it
was
brought
through
the
land,
Economic
Development
and
land
use
committee
first
and
then
now
comes
to
the
Planning
Commission
for
consideration
recommendation
to
the
city
council.
If
this
is
a
use
that
you
would,
you
would
recommend
having
in
the
LM
Zone.
F
F
E
D
I'm
not
convinced
I,
read
the
staff
report
and
we're
responding
to
a
particular
request
from
a
individual
property
owner,
and
it
was
presented
July
22nd
2022,
presented
to
the
economic
development
land
use
committee,
which
unanimally
unanimous
unanimously
up
provided
concurrence
for
City
staff
to
prepare
the
zone,
change,
Zone,
Amendment
change
for
consideration
for
a
recommendation
of
approval
by
the
Planning
Commission
of
the
city
council;
okay,
that's
all
well
and
good,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
responding
to
a
particular
request,
SQL
is
not
exempt
from
this.
D
This
is
not
an
exempt
project
that
SQL
must
be
complied
with
and
therefore
should
be
done
in
accordance
with
the
with
the
law,
because
what
this
is
saying
in
so
many
words
is
the
guy
next
door,
the
guy
down
the
street,
the
guy
across
the
freeway.
He
can
suddenly
say:
oh
door
is
open
I'm,
not
necessarily
in
compliance
with
sequa.
Q
Q
Q
Giving
you
my
opinion
I
could
be
wrong,
but
but
I
I
think
that
if
they
come
forward
with
a
project,
then
SQL
would
apply
right
now.
This
is
not
a
project.
D
It
says
to
me:
it's
the
project:
it's
a
staff,
research,
land
use
issue
on
July,
22nd,
presented
the
economic
development
and
further
consideration
and
then
presented
to
the
council
to
this
commission
then
to
the
council.
So
that's
a
project
foreign
specifically
about
this
one
landowner
at
912,
Pancho,
Road,.
N
Commissioner
Thomas,
this
is
a
zoning
ordinance
tax
amendment
so
in
the
if
that
property
owner
would
like
to
move
forward
with
a
project,
they'd
have
to
file
for
conditional
use,
permit
which
has
not
been
filed,
and
then
City
staff
would
have
to
go
through
that
process
which
comes
to
Planning
Commission
as
well,
so
that
would
be
when
the
project
would
be
initiated.
This
is
just
the
zoning
ordinance
text
Amendment
at
this
time,.
Q
I
noticed
that
all
of
the
ones-
the
other
smoking
lounges
that
you
discussed
were
in
commercial
zones
yeah.
Why?
Why
is
this
amendment
being
a
different
zone?
Is
there
any
reason
we'll
give
them
why
this
particular
zone
is
being
suggested
for
this.
N
This
is
the
zone
that
was
suggested
by
the
by
an
individual.
A
C
Was
one
of
my
questions
was:
why
are
we
only
doing
it
for
light
industrial
or
LM
zones
rather
than
commercial,
when
all
those
other
projects
were
in
commercial
zones,
I
can
see
it
meeting
parking
requirements,
sizes
Heights
of
the
buildings,
better,
better
ability
to
vent
things
in
commercial
zones
rather
than
industrial
zones.
F
No
I,
you
know,
I,
think
the
Mr
Talmadge
points
you
know
well
taken
that
it
was
you
know,
because
we
don't
have
the
process
for
an
individual
to
bring
an
initiative.
He
had
the
go
to
the
city
and
that's
where
the
initiatives
coming
from.
So
it's
I,
don't
think
it's
tied
to
this
specific
project.
Now
I
mean
it
will
be,
but
he'll
have
to
come
back
in
with
a
condition
conditional
huge
permit,
but
but
that
is
a
a
good
point
that
Beverly
brought
up
is
is
because
it's
not
allowed
anywhere
in
the
city.
C
Yeah
I
mean
to
me
it
makes
more
sense
in
a
commercial
Zone.
You
know,
like
I,
say
for
parking
requirements
looking
at
height
and
venting
and
and
all
the
things
that
would
go
into
and
be
required
and
do
we
need
to
add
more
rules,
two
or
more
steps
to
the
ordinance
and
like
requiring
a
review
of
what
whatever
Gene
asked
for
sorry,
you
know
or
height
types
of
buildings,
or
something
that
goes
with
it,
so
that
we
can
narrow
it
down
a
little
bit
to
appropriate
places.
To
have
this.
C
I
mean
you
look
at
an
LM
and
you
look
at
those
buildings
and
they're
the
big
tall
buildings,
and
then
they
have
the
mezzanine
offices
and
and
then
there's
some
one-story.
You
know
height
buildings
and
you
don't
have
the
parking
requirements,
but
it
just
seems
like
maybe
we're
missing
some
parts
to
the
ordinance,
even
as
far
as
what
it
would
be
allowed
for.
E
A
Right
well
we're
covering
some
ground
here,
there's
obviously
some
consternation
but
I
think
there's
no
additional
questions
at
this
point.
We
do
want
to
open
up,
for
you
know
public
comment,
if
there's
any
speakers
on
the
subject
matter
at
this
time,
no
speakers,
okay,
we'll
go
ahead
and
okay,
okay.
L
Good
evening
again,
Mr
chairman
members
of
the
commission,
Chuck
Cohen
Thousand
Oaks
attorney
for
912
Pancho
Road,
who,
who
is
the
originator
of
the
request
to
the
city,
to
process
this?
And
at
this
point
it's
it's
a
request
to
the
city,
not
not
the
not
not
attempting
to
jump
the
ordinance.
That
is
now
at
least
in
process.
It's
not
not
completed.
Yet
it
has
to
go
to
the
council
for
first
and
second
readings
and
30
days,
probably
for
referendum.
Etc
I
I
understand
the
the
concern
that
was
raised
by
Mr
Tallmadge.
L
The
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge
secret
is
not
required
to
be
applied
to
to
text
amendments
and
I'm,
not
not
aware
of
any
any
example
with
to
the
contrary
of
that.
L
I
I
would
expect
that
the
SQL
examination
of
the
evaluation
by
staff
is
to
how
what
type
of
of
examination
or
evaluation
under
SQL
will
come.
Assuming
that
the
this
applique,
this
ordinance
change
moves
forward
and
my
client
chooses
to
file
a
cup
application.
L
I
think
that
the
staff
is
has
attempted
to
look
at
the
details
of
a
future
cup
set
of
standards
as
a
means
of
of
just
communicating
this,
the
staff's
recognition
that
there
will
be
a
significant
restraints
upon
how
this
might
be
implemented
and
just
just
the
staff
was
attempting
to
give
you
a
broader
picture,
but
but
not
to
put
the
application
or
put
the
current
APP
proposal
under
the
scrutiny
that
Miss
Talmadge
applied.
L
We're.
We
looked
at
those
at
the
current
set
of
standards,
and
we
would
those
would
be
all
understood
and
lived
with.
L
But
that's
really
not
what
we're
here
or
for
for
you
tonight
tonight
we're
just
simply
asking
that
you
make
a
recommendation
to
the
council
that
is
consistent
with
what
the
land
use
land
use
committee
suggested
back
as
a
direction
to
staff,
and
that
would
be
to
make
the
amendment
to
the
text
that
that
that's,
basically
it
any
other
ques
and
I,
would
like
any
of
my
comments
in
the
earlier
discussion
to
be
transferred
to
this
record
as
well.
L
A
A
F
Yeah
I
think
we're
just
voting
on
The
ordinance
tonight
and
I
think
that
having
the
zoning
to
allow
a
cigar
Lounge
somewhere
in
town
I,
think
I'm
in
favor
of
you
know
in
mind
that
we're
still
going
to
take
a
look
at
this
specific
project
with
the
conditional
use
permit
and
if
it's
not
in
a
good
location,
then
it
affects
the
neighbors
or
any
of
those
kind
of
things
it.
F
It
wouldn't
be
approved,
but
I
think
just
having
the
ability
to
have
that
use
in
the
zoning
I'm
not
opposed
to
so
I
could
support
it
and
it.
You
know
we
just
make
a
recommendation
in
the
city
council
will
will
also
have
to
weigh
in
on
it.
E
C
I'm,
just
still
ing
around
the
idea
that
I
would
rather
have
listed
the
commercial
zones.
Also
to
me
it's
incomplete
the
way
it
is
for
where
it
could
be
used
and,
according
to
you
know
how
it's
used
other
places
is
there.
Could
we
get
staff
to
consider
adding
commercial
zoning
to
it
or
some
of
the
commercial
zonings
to
it?
That
would
apply
as
well
as
the
LM
zones.
B
G
C
Yeah,
because
I
I
would
rather
do
it
all
at
once,
rather
than
bring
it
back
again
to
add
more
and
since
all
the
other.
The
other
four
examples
that
were
given
were
all
in
commercial
zones,
and
you
do
have
the
difference
of
parking
requirements.
It
would
make
sense
that
we
put
both
in
to
the
ordinance.
G
A
I
just
honestly
feel
that
it's
premature
I'm,
I'm
perfectly
fine
and
and
satisfied
with
the
prior
action
we
took
on
the
overall
ordinance
the
ordinance
to
allow
and
open
this
door
for
applicants,
but
I
I
think
that
the
impacts
that
were
illustrated
by
staff
are
significant
things
that
need
to
be
considered
before
we,
you
know
Institute
an
ordinance
that
say
specific
language
applying
to
smoking
permissibility
that
had
otherwise
not
been
allowed,
I
think
more
more
research,
more
evaluation
analysis
needs
to
be
done
on
this
particular
use
land
use
before
we
actually
get
permissive
right
now,
with
this
ordinance
proposal,
so
I
I
just
honestly
cannot
support
it.
A
I
mean
not
that
I
couldn't
get
there
at
a
later
date,
but
I
think
that
the
first
step
needs
to
be
the
ordinance
that
we
passed
previously
and
then
we
can
come
back
to
this
at
some
point.
But
this,
the
municipal
code
really
does
establish
a
pretty
strict
and
stringent
requirements
for
smoking
and
primarily
requiring
stand-alone
buildings
for
this
type
of
allowance
permissibility,
and
that's
not
what
we're
talking
about
here.
It's
talking
about
being
in
a
tenant
space
where
you
have
a
joining
tenants,
and
you
know
there
could
be
problems
with
that.
F
B
Q
And
then
vote
either
yay
or
day
for
what's
in
front
of
you,
you
could
also
you
know,
vote
to
continue
it
and
ask
staff
to
to
do
further
research
on
it.
If
you
wanted
to.
A
F
Would
the
motion
be
then
continue
this
and
get
more
information,
but
we
should
give
the
City
some
specific
information.
We
would
like.
G
If,
if
I
may
ask,
if,
if
that's
the
wish
of
the
the
commission
to
continue
it
to
a
later
date,
I'd
ask
that
you
give
us.
B
A
To
continue
it
until
after
Council
action
on
the
previous
ordinance
we've
already
approved
and
then
for
Ryan
is
addressing
the
impacts
that
we've
been
so
far
shown
in
the
staff
report
and
in
the
overhead
presentation
that
was
made
by
Mr
Winkler.
A
F
But
wouldn't
that
be
debated
in
a
conditional
use,
permit
application.
A
Q
If
I'm
understanding
you
correctly,
your
concern
is
that
this
was
brought
up
by
an
individual,
and
our
code
currently
doesn't
allow
that
to
happen.
Okay
and
I
I
agree
with
you
that
makes
sense
to
me
yeah.
So
perhaps
what
you're
suggesting,
because
and
I
think
you
said
this,
but
I
just
want
to
clarify-
is
that
basically
you
don't
want
to
approve
this,
so
you
would
not
recommend
it
and
you
would
invite
them
to
go
through
the
process
once
the
public
initiation
established,
they.
A
Can
actually
then
go
through
that
process
and
get
this
further
development
that
you're
asking
for
correct
I
mean,
like
I,
said
I'm,
not
saying
that
I
would
forever
be
against
this
type
of
use.
I'm
just
seeing
that
that
we
need
to
have
a
you
know,
get
to
where
we're
addressing
this
in
the
right
sequence
and
I
feel
that
step
number
one
needs
to
be.
This
needs
to
be
taken
to
the
council.
A
So
we
need,
we
would
need
the
Hawaii
as
to
why
not
we've
been
all
these
years
and
all
this
time
we've
we've
required
Standalone
buildings
in
order
to
protect
the
public,
because
the
public,
you
know,
honestly,
you
know
most
people,
in
my
estimation
are
not
really
enjoy
the
fact
that
they
can
go
to
a
drinking
Diamond
establishment
and
not
have
to
breathe
in
Smoke,
not
be
exposed
to
secondhand
smoke,
and
so
we
have
to
look
at
that
from
that
aspect.
F
But
this
one's
different
in
the
sense
that
that
specifically
no
drink
or
food
in
there,
it's
just
smoking.
So
you
know
I
I
could
vote
for
it
tonight,
but
it
doesn't
sound
like
we
want
to
do
that.
So
if
we
did
entertain
a
motion
to
get
more
information,
the
thing
that
I
like
to
do
is
see
if,
if
they've
considered
also
adding
the
commercial
Zone
in
additions
to
the
you
know,
if
it's
going
to
get
get
tabled,
that
would
be
something
that
I
would
like
the
city
to
to
look
into.
F
G
So
I
from
so
first
to
proceed
and
Mr
City
attorney,
if
you
just
jump
in
incorrectly,
if
I'm
wrong
in
any
of
this,
so
The
Next
Step
would
be
for
the
reading
of
the
resolution
and
then
the
motion
and
then
whatever
way
they
want
to
go
now
kind
of
from
what
I'm
hearing
is
the
the
Planning
Commission
would
like
to
hear
more
reasons
of
the.
G
Why
and
the
why
not
and
to
make
sure
that
all
the
the
potential
impacts
are
addressed
but
from
from
what
I've
seen-
and
this
is
kind
of
where
I'm
kind
of
relying
more
on
the
City
attorney
is
that
it
is
a
recommendation
to
the
city
council,
so
is
the
the
recommendation
could
be
to
go
back
and
do
more
research.
It
could
be
to
you
know,
obviously
to
approve-
or
it
could
be
to
the
recommendation
could
be
for
denial,
based
on
certain
reasons
of
why
you
feel
that.
A
G
C
A
Oh
and
yeah
consideration
of
digital
applicable
zones.
G
Is
it
to
recommend
the
city
council
to
hold
off
and
send
it
back
to
the
applicant
for
further
review
or
back
back
for
further
review
and
then
to
come
back,
but
it
still
would
have
to
go
to
the
from
what
I
understand
that
we'll
still
have
to
go
to
the
city
council
recognition
we
have
to
be.
This?
Is
the
the
city
council
to
to
do
an
action
yeah
so.
A
A
A
A
Q
F
But,
but
either
way
that
would
come
out.
Is
it
too
late,
then
to
send
it
with
the
recommendations?
No,
no
yeah,
so
I
I
think
we
the
motion
to
vote.
If
we
approve
it
or
not,
and
if
it
if
it
goes
down
or
we
go
to
them
that
we
rejected
it
with
those
recommendations
or
if
we,
if
we
recommended
it,
it
would
be
with
with
those
additional
recommendations
with
the
approval.
G
G
I
mean
it's
the
way
that
you
you
want
to
word
it,
as
the
City
attorney
has
mentioned
it.
It
could
be.
You
go
forward
with
the
the
resolution
as
written
and
vote
no
yeah.
A
So
we'll
make
a
motion
on
the
actual,
completely
reading
the
resolution.
So
now
we
were
sending
the
previous
motion
so
now
we
need
to
just
make
a
recommendation
to
vote
for
adoption
and
it's
either
up
or
down.
A
A
E
M
A
Q
A
G
O
Is
that
me
sorry,
there
we
go
okay,
I'm,
actually
not
Greg,
Martin,
I'm,
Joe
power
from
rencon
Consultants
I'm,
just
going
to
say
a
few
words
I'm
going
to
introduce
the
team
say
a
few
words
and
then
Greg's
going
to
go
through
the
bulk
of
the
presentation.
Again,
I'm
Joe
power
with
rencon
consults
I'm,
the
principal
in
charge
from
rencon
Greg
Martin
is
rincon's
project
manager.
He's
done
a
lot
of
the
heavy
lifting
on
this
effort
and
well.
This
is
Veronica
Tam
our
partner
on
this
effort.
O
O
You
actually
had
an
October
15
2021
deadline
to
get
the
element
into
the
Housing
and
Community
Development
Department.
You
did
make
that
last
October.
Actually,
it
was
adopted
by
the
city
council
on
September
29th
on
January
7th
of
this
year.
We
got
a
comment
letter.
This
is
just
standard
practice.
We
got
a
comment
letter
back
from
hcd
the
Housing
Community
Development
Department,
with
their
comments
on
the
approved
housing
element
that
we've
been
working
on
ever
since
trying
to
respond
to
their
comments
to
get
a
An
hcd
approved
element.
O
Now
the
primary
consequence
of
non-compliance
at
this
point
that
first
one
you
can
actually
disregard,
because
this
state
actually
did
away
with
this
four-year
cycle
so
that
one's
not
a
concern
anymore.
The
primary
concern
you
have
with
respect
to
getting
the
this
thing
done
is
that
you
may
lose
State
grant
funding
until
this
housing
element
is
approved.
So
we
do
want
to
get
it
approved.
You
don't
have
a
specific
deadline
that
we're
aiming
for,
but
the
sooner
we
get
it
done
the
sooner
we
won't
have
this
concern
about
losing
State
grant
funding.
O
So
we
do
want
to
move
it
quick
forward
as
quickly
as
we
can
now
just
very
quickly
the
process
on
how
we
got
here.
We
had
a
pretty
extensive
public
involvement
process,
as
you
see
two
public
workshops:
two
Council
meetings,
a
joint
meeting
with
the
commission
and
the
council,
an
online
community
survey,
May
4th
and
August
31st
of
2021.
There
were
public
hearings
with
the
Planning
Commission
May
26th,
the
city
council,
public
hearing
and
then,
as
I
already
mentioned,
September
29th
meeting
that
October
15th
deadline.
O
The
council
approved
the
approved
the
element
and
it
went
off
to
hcd
for
their
review
now,
I'm
going
to
hand
off
to
Greg
he's
going
to
go
through
our
responses
to
the
HTT
comments
that
we've
received
to
date,
foreign.
P
So
I'd
like
to
open
by
saying
that
the
city
council,
that,
as
Joe
said,
adopted
the
housing
element
and
now
you
have
an
adopted
housing
element,
we're
trying
to
get
it
certified
by
a
TD
to
make
that
distinction
and
their
hcd's
comments
after
adoption
were
mostly
in
the
area
of
asking
for
more
information
to
be
put
into
the
housing
element
when
more,
some
more
analysis
in
certain
areas
and
most
of
those
they
their
letter
is
in
your
staff
report
or
a
gender
report,
and
most
of
their
comments
fell
under
this
heading
of
housing
needs
resources
and
constraints,
so
I'll
be
the
heading
for
almost
all
these
slides,
but
one
thing
that
they
asked
for
was
add
more
local
data
and
knowledge,
especially
when
it
came
to
the
analysis
of
affirmatively
furthering
fair
housing
or
affh.
P
As
you
see
it
there.
So
the
city
and
the
consultant
team
added
a
local
area
of
knowledge.
Section
to
that
analysis,
which
is
appendix
C
of
the
housing
element
update
and
then
in
terms
of
the
site
inventory,
Under,
The
Heading
of
sites
inventory.
They
asked
for
more
analysis
of
housing,
development
at
all
income
levels
and
fair
housing
conditions,
specifically
as
it
relates
to
the
the
site's
inventory
to
analyze
how
those
sites
in
general
relate
to
that
issue.
P
So
the
city's
revisions
to
address
that
comment
were
again
to
have
the
local
area
of
knowledge
and
income
and
race
sections
to
that
affh
analysis
and
those
do
talk
about
specific
Geographic
areas
in
the
city
that
are
included
in
the
sites
inventory
and
then
another
example
is
table.
7-31
of
the
housing
element,
information
on
the
existing
uses
of
what
it
says,
proposed
projects
of
its
project
sites.
What
are
the
existing
uses
on
the
project
sites?
Htt
wanted
to
know
more
about
about
that.
P
We
did
add
some
information
there
into
that
table,
and
then
this
section
7.3.1
point
B
I'll
say
that
once
hopefully
it
was
revised
to
add
more
information
on
development,
Trends
and
potential
in
various
areas,
including
Camarillo
Commons,
because
that
was
an
area
where
we
had
quite
a
few
sites
in
our
land
inventory
or
sites
inventory
and
lot
consolidation
information,
and
all
of
that
including
examples
of
how
block
hand
validation
has
already
happened.
For
some
projects
that
have
already
been
approved-
let's
see
this
is
not
afford
it.
There
we
go
now.
P
Hcd
also
wanted
the
city
to
for
the
goals
and
actions
in
the
housing
element
programs.
They
said
they
must
include
specific
actions,
metrics
and
Milestones,
and
to
address
that
comment,
we
now
all
housing
element.
Programs
have
separately
listed
program,
actions
and
time
frames
before
they
were
either
explicit
or
implicit
in
the
the
program
language,
but
they
weren't
called
out
separately.
P
So
we've
done
that
for
each
program
now
and
in
program
four,
which
is
again
affh,
there's
a
met,
there's
a
matrix
in
there
already
saying
of
actions
to
take,
but
we've
made
sure
we
added
a
more
specifics
on
metrics
and
Milestones.
The
city
will
take
to
achieve
these
actions.
What
they're
called
meaningful
actions
towards
affirmatively
furthering
fair
housing,
and
that's
that's
been
added
to
that
program
within
that
Matrix.
Within
that
program,.
P
There
we
go
now:
ACD
also
wanted
more
analysis
of
the
likelihood
of
housing,
especially
low-income
housing,
or
the
potential
of
developability
or
realistic
capacity
for
low-income
housing
on
sites
in
the
housing
element
they're
identified,
but
specifically
in
commercial
mixed
zones,
and
also
they
want
more
information
on
the
suitability
of
non-vegan
sites
and
the
likelihood
of
the
existing
uses
on
those
sites
being
replaced.
P
So
we
revised
the
housing,
we
want
to
add
more
information
again.
This
is
actually
a
repeat
of
a
previous
bullet,
but
it
also
addresses
this
comment.
So
more
information
on
development,
Trends
and
potential
in
Camarillo,
common
Commons
area,
lock,
consolidation
and
Old
Town
and
just
various.
We
added
specific
examples
of
existing
uses
being
replaced
or
projects
that
are
proposing
to
do
so,
and
basically,
what
used
to
be
referred
to
as
Redevelopment
on
already
developed
areas.
Hcd
wanted
more
analysis.
P
The
potential
for
low-income
housing
on
small
sites
and
said
asked
the
city
to
specify
incentives
for
lot
consolidation.
So
again,
we
provided
examples
of
projects
where
law
consolidation
had
happened.
For
example,
on
Old
Dan,
we
decided
to
believe
a
project
or
projects
there
that
did
involve
law
consolidation
to
support
our
argument
that
that
can-
and
we
think
will
happen
on
the
sites
in
the
land
of
inventory.
P
And
then
hcd
commented
on
our
constraints,
analysis,
there's
governmental
constraints,
non-getter
criminal
constraints;
they
basically
fall
into
those
two
categories
and
they
wanted
more
analysis
of
land,
use,
controls,
fees
and
local
approval
procedures
and
their
potential
to
be
constraints
on
affordable
housing
creation.
P
So
we
added
more
analysis
in
this
land
use
control,
section
we
added
and
analyzed
what
we
thought
would
be
the
maximum
density
enlisted
that
in
table
7-39
and
the
analysis
that
goes
with
it,
including
examples
from
specific
developments.
We
cited
densities
of
specific
developments
and
we
updated
and
revised
the
discussion
of
the
residential
development
evaluation
board
or
the
rdb
to
reflect
the
fact
that
two-state
laws,
SB
330
and
sb8
actually
prevent
that
from
being
enforced
or
carried
out
within
this
housing
element
period
cycle.
So
it's
obviously
not.
P
P
Hcd
also
asks
for
more
analysis
of
constraints
on
housing
for
persons
with
disabilities,
especially
if
they
wanted
more
information
on
the
cup
process
for
residential
care
facilities,
and
we
added
analysis
of
the
city's
CPU
requirements
and
their
potential
effect
on
permitting
a
residential
care
facilities.
In
this
section,
7.4.1
B
provision
of
a
variety
of
housing,
types
and
I
think,
probably,
more
importantly,
in
program
16.
We
added
actions
to
the
programs
to
specific
actions.
P
The
city
is
committed
to
take
requiring
the
city
to
review
and
amend,
where
acquired
at
design
ordinance
to
be
consistent
with
state
law
relating
to
Residential,
Care
Facilities,
including
those
for
seven
or
more
residents,
and
that's
the
significance
of
that.
Is
the
state
noticed
the
cup
requirement
for
such
facilities
in
your
designing
ordinance
and
one
of
some
more
explanation
of
how
that
is
or
isn't
a
constraint
to
housing
for
persons
with
disabilities
and
then
a
CD
basically
under
a
honor
Housing
Programs
just
said.
P
Basically,
if
any
programs
need
to
be
changed
to
address
our
comments-
and
you
know
or
go
ahead
and
do
that
and
so
again
we
added
specific
actions
and
time
frames
to
all
the
programs
program.
Four,
we
had
even
more
detailed
metrics
and
milestones
for
relating
to
affirmatively,
furthering
fair
housing
and
in
program
16.
P
So,
of
course,
we
take
your
comments
and
then
incorporate
appropriate
them
as
appropriate
and
then
present
the
revised
draft
at
the
city
council,
public
hearing
on
October
12
2022
for
for
adoption,
at
least
that's
currently
the
plan
and
then
incorporating
your
revisions
from
that
meeting
if
necessary
and
then
submit
a
revised
draft
to
hcd
and
when
hcd
certifies
that
the
revised
draft
complies
with
State
housing
law.
P
If
they
do,
the
city's
2021-2029
housing
element,
update
will
be
complete,
so
staff's
recommendation
is
to
adopt
a
resolution
recommending
adoption
of
the
revisions
to
this
2021-2029
housing
element
update
to
the
city
council.
P
So
that's
it
and,
let's
see
yeah
I'd,
be
happy
to
take
any
questions
or
or
to
for
me
Veronica
or
our
staff.
Thank.
A
You
very
much
for
that
report.
Stretzel
yeah,.
F
P
I
think
it's
typical
of
pretty
typical
of
what
they're
doing
now,
maybe
also
Veronica
can
address
these.
That
comment.
E
R
The
six
cycle
housing
element
is
definitely
very
difficult
to
get
through
because
there's
been
a
very
significant
changes
in
state
law
as
it
relates
to
housing
element
and
also
housing
has
been
kind
of
risen
into
as
a
as
a
crisis
situation
throughout
the
state.
So,
therefore,
the
state
is
facing
a
lot
of
scrutinies
from
housing,
Advocates
and
their
review
of
the
housing
element
has
been
extremely
stringent
to
the
point
that
in
the
San
Diego
region,
their
house
almond
is
ahead
of
these
Southern
California,
the
skagg
region.
R
There
are
20
jurisdictions
in
the
skag
region
as
of
now,
that's
only
probably
about
12
jurisdictions
that
get
certified
housing
element
in
the
skag
regions,
the
six
County
Scag
region.
There
are
197
jurisdictions
as
of
now.
There
are
not
more
than
30
something
jurisdictions
that
like
that
are
certified,
but
typical
process.
R
Is
you
go
through
the
hcd
review,
probably
about
three
times
and
we're
at
our
second
time
so
we're
knocking
on
with
that
we're
we're
good
to
go,
but
but
there
is
that
possibility
that
they
may
still
come
back
with
additional
changes
because
they
have
stated
on
average.
They
have
not
approved
any
housing
element
with
fewer
than
three
times
of
review,
so,
okay.
A
Mr
Thomas,
okay,
moisture;
okay,
nothing
for
me
at
this
time.
Thank
you,
okay,
thank
you
for
your
report.
M
First
of
all,
I'm
currently
working
in
five
other
area,
cities
and
I,
can
confirm
what
you've
been
just
been
told
about
the
difficulty
of
housing
elements.
One
of
the
differences
I
would
say
is
that
you
have
a
Clear
Vision
in
how
you've
established
yours
and
you've
come
up
with
a
I
think
a
rational
approach.
M
M
It's
just
that
in
the
housing
element.
I
think
we,
if
outside
of
the
housing
element,
if
we
truly
care
about
trying
to
create
affordable
housing
and
across
the
spectrum
of
different
housing
types,
there
are
a
couple
of
parcels
that
I
raised
in
2021.
That
I
think.
Ultimately,
we
need
to
have
on
our
radar
for
how
to
accomplish
density
on
vacant
Parcels.
M
One
of
them
is
referenced
in
the
housing
element
and
it's
The
Village
at
the
park
site,
it's
six
acres
and
it
has
a
capacity
under
what's
a
current
application
we
have
in
for
10
units
that's
far
under
the
yield
capacity
that
I
think
that
the
Consultants
would
find
as
being
normal,
and
we
feel
like.
We
should
address
that,
potentially
either
in
a
workshop
or
a
study
session.
It's
some
point
to
see
if
we
can
increase
the
yield
and
see
what
parameters
would
work
for
the
city.
M
A
F
I
thought
the
presentation
was,
you
know,
detailed
in
the
report
that
they've
addressed
the
comments
that
the
state
made
and
that
we
should
vote
for
approval
or
recommendation
to
city
council
to
get
it
moving
moving
on
to
get
it
certified.
So.
A
D
I
know
that
this
has
been
a
long
process
for
staff
and
the
Consultants
to
formulate
the
housing
element.
Update,
been
added
for
a
good
number
of
years
and
I
feel
very
confident
about
the
application
process
so
far
and
see
no
reason
why
the
state
should
turn
it
down.
D
I,
don't
know
I
think
we'll
just
have
to
wait
and
see
what
comes
forward
with
respect
to
the
housing
say,
conditional
use
permit
or
whatever
it
may
be
discretionary
at
the
Planning
Commission
level,
but
back
to
the
basic
point
of
endorsing
the
housing
element
onto
the
city
council
for
approval.
I
strongly
recommend
approval
of
the
condition
as
written
and
as
put
forth
I
think
staff
and
the
consultant
have
done
a
marvelous
job
of
taking
some
extraneous
information
and
extremely
hardly
pointed,
hardly
meaning,
not
so
much
but
hard
in
it.
D
C
I
think
my
only
comments
are
that
I
thought
we
had
a
pretty
good
product
and
we
submitted
the
first
time
until
I
read
their
six
pages
of
questions
and
Corrections
that
they
wanted
made
and
I
think
you
know
all
the
corrections
that
have
been
put
in,
especially
the
ones
I've
read
so
far.
C
You
know
are
very
explanatory
and
well
done
so
and
I'm
going
to
trust
our
experts
on
this
that
the
rest
of
that
I,
haven't
read
is
just
as
complaint,
so
yeah
I'm
anxious
to
send
this
one
back
and
hope
it
doesn't
come
back
again.
A
Like
this,
along
with
the
Consultants,
are
doing
everything
they
possibly
can
and
moving
this
forward
and
getting
it
certified
and
they're
not
alone.
Obviously,
we're
hearing
that
there
are
many
other
jurisdictions
that
are
going
to
the
same
process.
Same
difficulty,
challenges
in
you
know
providing
hcd
with
what
it
is
they
need
at
each
step.
So
they
continue
to
make
that
effort,
and
hopefully
it
will
be
successful
this
this
time
around
and
ready
to
move
forward.
A
G
I'm
happy
to
report
that
we
will
be
doing
the
planning
Commissioners
Tour
on
October
4th.
So
it's
been
a
a
couple
of
years
now,
since
we've
done
that
because
of
covid,
but
we're
excited
to
kind
of
bring
the
Planning
Commission
around
and
you
know,
show
some
of
the
progress
on
the
the
projects
that
they've
approved
and
touched
and
recommended
for
approval
throughout
our
city
and,
like
I,
said
we'll
we'll
do
that
on
the
fourth.
G
We
don't
have
any
other
items
for
that
meeting,
but
we
will
convene
here
and
then
approve
the
consent
calendar
for
the
minutes
and
then
we'll
you
know
adjourn
and
go
to
the
or
recess
and
go
to
the.
The
tour
on
the
bus
is.
G
Yeah,
it's
a
regular
meeting
of
the
Planning
Commission
so
and
then
we
do
have
a
couple
of
other
items
on
some
future:
Planning
Commission,
regular,
Planning,
Commission
meetings
in
October
and
November.
So
we
do
have
a
a
few
items
that
are
that
are
that
are
tracking
to
to
be
to
Broad
to
be
brought
before
the
Planning
Commission
for
consideration.
So
we're
ending
the
year
with
a
with
some
busy
items.
G
F
P
D
Yes,
I'll
have
a
couple
of
comments:
pardon
my
incessant
questioning
tonight
but
I
thought
that
it
was
necessary
to
bring
it
out
in
discussion
and
I
appreciate
very
much
the
work
by
staff
and
also
by
the
fellow
Council
commission
members,
in
supporting
our
thoughts
and
and
beliefs.
The
what
holds
for
the
future
is
certainly
unknown.
D
We
have
a
big
election
coming
up
in
early
November
and
that
will
affect
some
of
us
and
so
I
look
forward
to
this
next
year
to
finish
it
this
year
as
just
an
outstanding
time,
and
thank
you
all
so
much
for
your
understanding.
C
C
Like
I,
say,
I
thought
it
was
pretty
good
before
and
then
it
was
amazing
just
how
much
came
back
at
us.
So
I
am
looking
forward
to
the
tour
and
being
able
to
do
that
again
and
seeing
all
the
projects
that
are
out
there
sounds
like
we're
a
little
bit
more
on
normal
track,
we're
getting
there
we're
getting
back
to
normal.
C
So
that's
good
and
I
do
really
appreciate
all
the
work
staff
did
this
week
on
everything
and
all
the
time
and
our
Consultants
left,
but
they
did
a
great
job
on
the
housing
plan.
So
I
should
have
mentioned
that
before
they
got
up
and
left
but
yeah
it
was
really.
C
It
was
really
good,
so
yeah,
it
was
a
good
evening
and
I
look
forward
to
the
rest
of
the
year
and
what's
coming.
A
All
right,
okay,
two,
you
know
want
to
thank
my
fellow
Commissioners,
for
you
know,
they're.
You
know
very
thoughtful
comments
and
and
I
thought
the
discussion
was
great.
I
appreciate
all
the
work
staff
that
does
as
as
always,
you
know
and
I
apologize
for
you
know,
I
I
think
you
know
there
was
definitely
some
challenges
to
me
and
it's
a
very
complicated
subject
matter.
As
far
as
procedures
go
so
I
appreciate
everyone's
Indulgence
in
getting
through
that
and
and
never
feel
like.
A
You
shouldn't
be
commenting,
commissioner
Thomas,
because
every
every
one
of
your
comments
is
very
valuable.
A
We
appreciate
and
I
really
want
to
Echo
what
commissioner
Thomas
said
was
things
may
be
changing
in
the
coming
year,
but
it's
been
an
incredible
four-year
run
here
and
we've
I've
been
able
to
get
to
know
each
other
work
with
each
other
and
accomplish
some
good
stuff
with
and
and
hope
that
staff
feels
they've
been
supportive
all
along
the
way.
So
with
that,
we
will
go
ahead
and
join
the
meeting.