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Description
To ensure that the delivery of our strategy is effective we want to develop how we’ll implement it in partnership with people who work in health and social care.
To support this in our latest engagement session, led by Amanda Hutchinson, Head of Regulatory Change and Natasha Persad, Policy Manager, we discussed why we need a better connection between registration and ongoing assessment.
This session brought together providers and professionals who work in health and social care, the organisations who represent them and other strategic stakeholders.
A
Good
morning
everybody
I'm
amanda
hutchinson
and
I'm
the
the
head
of
policy
for
regulatory
change
at
cqc
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
all
to
the
the
session
today.
A
Okay,
I'll
press
on
with
with
this
so
yeah,
I
say
well
welcome
to
everybody
to
to
this
with
to
this
session,
which
is
which
is
a
a
session
for
providers
and
professionals
who
work
in
health
and
social
care
and
organizations
who
who
represent
them,
and
it's
it's
part
of
a
series
of
sessions
that
we've
been
having
about
our
updated
regulatory
model
and
the
changes
that
we're
proposing
to
introduce
to
to
how
how
we
regulate
and
I'd
say
that
particular
focus
for
today
is
is-
is
on
registration.
A
If
I
could
just
first
of
all
do
a
bit
of
housekeeping.
So
I
think
just
the
the
kind
of
brand
rules
for
the
session
are.
If
you
want
to
ask
a
question
or
make
a
comment,
please
use
the
raise
hand
function
or
you
can
use
the
chat
box
on
the
side
of
the
screen
when
the
presentation
is
happening,
please
make
sure
you're
on
mute.
A
We're
going
to
do
our
very
best
to
stick
to
time
and
the
main
room
sessions
will
be
recorded
today
and
whilst
we
work
together
today,
just
to
remind
her
to
be
non-judgmental
respectful
and
supportive,
make
sure
that
everyone
in
the
room
has
has
a
voice
and
also
to
listen
to
what
others
are
saying.
So
to
move
on
to
to
how
we're
going
to
run
the
day.
A
So
the
agenda
for
the
session
welcome
and
overview
of
the
session
10
o'clock
and
then
we're
going
to
move
on
to
a
presentation
in
the
main
room
where
natasha
passad
will
talk
through
some
of
the
thinking
and
proposals
that
we
are
working
through
at
the
moment
around
how
we
better
connect
between
registration
and
ongoing
assessment.
A
So
if
there
is
anything
that
you
particularly
just
wanted
to
clarify
from
the
presentation
or
think
it's
important
that
we
do
that,
we'll
then
move
into
breakout
room
discussions
and
steph
will
can
work
the
magic
which
will
pull
everybody
into
a
breakout
room
with
a
cqc
facilitator
and
the
facilitator's
job
will
be
to
make
sure
that
everybody
has
an
opportunity
to
talk
this
through
that
we
run
through
all
of
the
questions
and
issues
that
we
wanted
to
to
work
through
with
you
and
then
also
that
we
have
kind
of
three
main
points
coming
out
of
the
session,
which
will
be
pulled
together
into
into
a
collated
document.
A
We'll
then
have
10
15
minutes
back
in
the
main
room
at
10,
past
11
for
some
feedback.
So
we'll
pull
out
some
of
the
main
points
that
have
come
through
in
in
those
discussions
and
reflect
that
back
to
the
group
and
then
aim
to
wrap
things
up
and
have
absolutely
finished
by
by
10
30,
and
because
we
know
that
everybody's
time
is
precious
and
and
we're
really
grateful
to
everyone
for
for
for
giving
us
the
time
that
you
you
have
today.
A
If
we
could
move
on
to
the
next
slide,
then
please
so.
The
the
the
kind
of
aims
of
today's
event
are
to
focus
on
on
the
question
of
of
how
we
make
a
better
connection
between
our
registration
and
ongoing
assessment
processes
and
to
hear
your
views
on
on
this
ambition.
A
To
look
at
what
we
can
do
to
improve
the
alignment
between
registration
and
assessment
and
also
to
look
at
some
of
the
potential
barriers
and
issues
for
us
in
in
meeting
that
ambition,
and
I
think
natasha
will
will,
I
say,
work
through
some
of
the
detail
of
this,
but
just
a
kind
of
bit
of
a
reminder
of
of
the
context
for
this.
We
are
working
through
our
new
regulatory
approach
in
in
the
context
of
our
strategy.
A
A
Our
current
key
lines
of
inquiry
prompts
and
are
proposing
to
move
to
a
set
of
of
what
we're
calling
quality
statements
which
we'll
we'll
set
out
in
very
clear
terms
our
expectations
around
around
the
quality
of
of
of
care
and
those
will
be
framed
as
as
as
we
statements
but
we'll
also
be
linking
to
a
set
of.
I
statements
which
express
what
good
care
looks
like
from
the
from
the
perspective
of
people
using
services
underneath
those
quality
statements
we'll
have
a
set
of
evidence
categories
which
will
be
make
it
very
clear.
A
A
What
we're
looking
for
and
what
people
need
to
do
in
order
to
deliver
good
care
and
then
also
as
part
of
that,
looking
at
how
we
can
apply
scoring
within
that
methodology
again
in
the
interests
of
of
bringing
forth
forward
better
consistency,
but
but
also
being
able
to
kind
of
really
get
that
sense
of
where
people
are
sitting
within
their
rating
of
at
a
key
question
level.
A
Into
our
registration
work
as
well
so
thinking
about
at
the
point
of
registration,
how
we
use
those
quality
statements,
how
we
use
those
evidence
categories,
how
we
can
potentially
use
some
of
that
scoring
as
well,
so
that
the
judgments
that
we're
making
at
the
point
of
registration
are
then
easily
translatable
into
the
next
stage
of
the
process,
which
is
a
rating
for
for
for
a
service.
A
So
this
is
very
much
what
this
work
is
is
focused
on
it's
about
streamlining
things.
It's
it's
part
of
that
piece
of
work
that
we've
been
doing
around
improving
registration
and
improving
the
experience
of
registration
as
well.
So
on
the
back
of
that
there's
a
bit
of
context,
I'm
going
to
hand
over
to
natasha
now
to
to
kind
of
run
through
what
I've
said
in
a
little
bit
more
detail.
We'll
then
move
into
a
breakout
room
discussion.
C
B
Pretty
much
said
it
all,
but
yeah,
so
I'll
try
to
kind
of
give
a
bit
more
kind
of
meat
on
the
veins.
For
what
amanda's
been
saying.
So
thank
you.
Everyone,
I'm
natasha
person,
I'm
a
policy
manager
in
the
policy
and
strategy
unit
at
cqc,
and
I
have
been
working
with
lots
of
colleagues
within
the
organization
looking
at
registration
and
connecting
our
registration
processes
with
our
ongoing
assessment
process
as
part
of
the
new
regulatory
model.
B
I'm
going
to
have
the
next
slide,
please
so
so
what
was
it
that
we're
trying
to
address
as
amanda
spoke
to?
Essentially
what
we
want
to
do
is
we
want
to
better
align
our
registration
and
ongoing
assessment
processes
so
that
our
ratings
and
for
those
services
that
we
rate
and
our
regulatory
decisions
for
those
that
we
don't
are
more
aligned.
So
currently
we
we
do
only
register
services
who
we
judge
to
be
able
to
be
and
providing
sustainable,
good
quality
care.
B
But
we
know
that
we
could
do
a
lot
more
to
connect
our
processes
at
registration
and
ongoing
assessment
and
ratings.
So,
and
this
covers
the
elements
that
amanda
has
mentioned.
So
this
looks
at
how
we
can
be
more
consistent
in
our
assessment
framework,
how
we
make
our
judgments
on
the
information
that
we
collect,
how
we
feed
this
information
and
use
our
judgments
and
cross
registration
and
ongoing
assessment
and
how
we
build
on
them
and
how
we
are
better
at
using
a
common
sort
of
language
and
currency
across
the
two
processes.
B
So
the
key
points
that
we'll
be
touching
on
in
this
session
in
terms
of
driving
better
alignment
between
registration,
ongoing
assessment
are,
as
mentioned
around
the
assessment
framework
and
applying
our
single
assessment
framework.
B
B
We
have
always
worked
towards
a
quality
bar
of
good
and
registration,
but
applying
the
quality
bar
of
good
will
be
made
easier
through
our
processes
and
how
we're
using
and
sharing
information,
and
it
will
be
easier
to
apply
that
quality
bar
of
good
will
be
easier
to
apply
by
by
doing
the
above,
and
also
doing
the
above,
coupled
with
the
improvements
to
how
providers
will
interact
with
us
digitally
will
result
in
a
more
streamlined
experience,
so
there'll
be
benefits
for
for
you
as
providers
in
terms
of
your
experience
of
the
registration
process
and
also
benefits
for
cqc
internally
in
terms
of
how
we
work
next
slide.
B
Please
so
amanda
already
spoke
about
the
single
assessment
framework,
but
this
is
really
really
crucial
and
fundamental
to
aligning
our
registration
and
ongoing
assessment
activities,
so
we'll
be
applying
a
single
assessment
framework
and
a
common
criteria
for
evidence.
B
So
our
assessment
framework
will
be
built
on
the
five
key
questions
and
well-known
rating
systems,
and
this
is
what
we
use
to
set
out
our
view
of
quality
and
make
judgments,
and
this
is
based
on
work
that
we've
done
with
previously
with
think
local
and
act
personal,
so
that
national
voices
and
the
coalition
for
collaborative
care
are
making
it
real
and
they've
co-produced
a
personalized
care
and
support
framework
that
can
be
used
by
people
who
work
in
adult
social
care,
health,
housing
and
people
use
services.
B
So
essentially,
it
sets
out
what
good
looks
like
an
outstanding
person-centered
care
looks
like
and
what
people
should
expect
from
providers.
Commissioners
and
system
leaders
so
we'll
be
using.
I
statements
as
a
starting
point
as
our
for
our
assessments
framework
and
taking
the
important
first
step
towards
truly
regulating
through
the
eyes
of
the
public.
B
And
we've
already
confirmed
that
our
ratings
and
five
key
questions
will
stay
central
to
our
approach,
we're
introducing
a
set
of
quality
statements,
which
is
pitched
at
the
level
of
good
and
linked
to
the
regulations
that
will
help
us
to
make
our
judgments
about
the
quality
of
care,
and
that
would
place
our
key
lines
of
inquiries.
Amanda
said
and
they're
really
seeking
to
remove
the
duplication,
so
the
existing
duplication
again
across
chloe's,
is
really
being
stripped
out
by
our
application
of
the
the
quality
statements.
B
So
we'll
use
these
set
of
quality
statements
in
our
assessments
of
all
sectors
and
service
types
and
at
all
levels
and
crucially,
we'll
be
using
them
to
register
services
with
a
provisional
rating
of
good
through
to
our
work
looking
at
local
authorities
and
integrated
systems.
So
it
will
be
the
basis
of
all
of
our
assessment
activity.
B
So,
to
do
this,
we
are
developing
a
way
to
categorize
and
score
evidence
as
part
of
our
assessments,
so
there'll
be
six
evidence
categories
to
bring
more
structure
to
our
processes
for
assessing
quality,
and
they
are
people's
experience,
feedback
from
staff
and
leaders,
observations
of
care,
feedback
from
partners,
processes
and
outcomes
of
care,
and
to
enable
us
to
to
be
clear
with
providers
in
the
public
about
how
we
use
the
information
we
have
about
care
in
a
service
or
local
area,
we'll
set
out
the
evidence
that
will
be
required
for
each
service
type
and
at
each
level,
including
at
registration.
B
So
it'd
be
really
explicit
about
the
the
evidence
that
we'll
be
collecting
for
the
quality
statements
at
the
point
of
registration
and
also
an
ongoing
assessment,
and
our
single
assessment
framework
will
add
to
the
golden
thread
from
initially
registering
a
service
at
the
level
of
good
through
to
ongoing
assessments
of
quality.
B
B
So
this
is
an
example
policy
statement,
and
this
is
an
example
of
how
it
would
look
at
registration,
and
this
is
for
a
domiciliary
care
agency.
So
the
evidence
requirements
will
vary
slightly
according
to
the
type
of
service
that
we
are,
that
we
are
assessing
so
so.
This
is
the
quality
statement
on
infection
prevention
and
control,
and
it
sets
out
the
evidence,
categories
of
registration.
B
What
evidence
we
would
be
requiring
for
this
quality
statement,
and
so
it
would
be
processes
and
feedback
from
staff
and
leaders
would
be
the
two
evidence:
categories
that
we'd
require
and
we'd
draw
evidence
from
the
provider.
Application
form
would
be
looking
at
the
infection,
control
policy
and
then
we'd
also
gather
information
from
the
interview
with
the
provider,
and
we
would
then
score
this
evidence
and
for
each
quality
statement.
We
would
have
a
score
which
we
would
then,
if
the.
B
If
the
service
was
given
a
quality,
a
provisional
rating
of
good
across
the
the
all
of
the
key
questions,
then
this
would
then
these
scores
would
then
be
transferred
over
to
ongoing
assessments,
which
would
then
be
built
on
through
the
ongoing
assessment
process.
B
We
have
the
next
slide.
Please.
B
So
so,
this
is
for
new
providers,
not
variation
for
existing
providers
so
for
new
provider
applications
and,
as
I
said,
registration
decisions
will,
in
effect,
be
a
provisional
rating
of
good,
we'll,
apply
the
single
assessment
framework
and
specify
the
evidence,
requirements
and
registration
we'll
apply
the
rating
aggregation
rules
for
a
service,
so
we'd
have
consistent
aggregation
rules
and
if
those
were
under
those
rules,
the
service
could
not
be
rated
as
good.
B
We
wouldn't
register
that
service,
and
so
we
would
also
to
encourage
we'll
use
published
guidance
that
requires
providers
from
the
point
of
registration
to
demonstrate
that
they
are
good
by
the
full
rating
assessment.
B
So
we'll
have
made
our
provisional
we'll
have
registered
services
which
have
a
provisional
rating
of
good,
and
we
will
require
services
through
published
guidance
to
demonstrate
that
they
are
that
they
receive
a
scoring
a
rating
of
good
for
their
first
full
rating
assessment
and
therefore,
in
order
to
do
this,
we
would
seek
to
confirm
the
provisional
rating
of
good
that
was
judged
at
registration.
B
So
we'd
want
to
confirm
that,
through
ongoing
assessment
rating
activity
within
a
defined
period
of
time,
which
we
would
be
seeking
to
specify
and
then
on
the
first
permanent
rating
assessment,
if
the
service
was
not
assessed
as
good
or
above
we
draw
on
the
evidence
from
registration
in
order,
in
addition
to
what
we
had
gathered
as
part,
one
gain
assessment
to
take
swift
action
and
so
we'd
be
using
enforcement
action.
Where
careful
blows
falls
below
the
level
of
good.
B
In
a
key
question
and
just
to
be
clear
at
the
point
of
registration,
we
would
be
it's
a
provisional
rating
of
good,
so
we
wouldn't
be
awarding
an
actual
rating,
because
the
evidence
requirements
at
the
point
of
registration
would
not
be
the
same
as
the
evidence
requirements
that
we
would
have
for
ongoing
assessment
because
of
the
nature
of
the
assessment.
So,
for
example,
we
wouldn't
have
evidence
from
people
who
are
using
services.
So
so
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
be
it's
not
a
actual
rating.
It's
a
provisional
rating.
B
Can
we
have
the
next
slide?
Please.
B
So
so,
to
reiterate,
we
want
to
be
really
using
evidence
in
a
consistent
and
seamless
way
across
our
functions
of
registration,
ongoing
assessment.
We
want
to
be
delivering
a
consistent
approach
and
bar
in
terms
of
how
we
assess
the
evidence.
B
We
want
to
be
really
explicit
about
our
expectations
of
care
through
our
through
our
assessment
single
assessment
framework
for
existing
providers
seeking
to
vary
their
registration,
and
we
will
use
our
insight
from
ongoing
assessment
and
our
information
from
ongoing
assessment
to
target
likely
weaknesses
and
prioritize
these
areas
in
the
the
registration
assessment
for
that
variation.
B
We'll
be
collecting
evidence
on
each
key
and
each
quality
statement
and
making
a
judgment
on
those
at
registration,
and
this
will
be
the
base
layer
of
the
information
that
will
go
forward
for
that
provider
for
those
services
and
our
required
evidence
will
prioritize
feedback
from
leaders
over
processes
and
policies
and
will
seek
to
prioritise
exist.
Feedback
from
people
on
existing
services
for
existing
providers
who
are
seeking
to
vary
their
registration
service.
B
Specific
evidence
requirements
will
require
evidence
from
the
provider
that
the
model
of
care
is
in
line
with
best
practice.
For
that
particular
service
and
what
we're
really
trying
to
do
across
across
our
whole
regulated
model
across
our
functions.
B
We're
really
looking
to
harmonize
the
units
of
assessments
and
our
aggregation
rules
and
our
definitions
of
services
across
registration
and
assessment,
so
we're
using
the
same
currency
in
the
same
language
so
that
we
can
transfer
the
information
across
and
it's
really
clear
for
you,
as
as
providers
in
terms
of
the
what's
the
information
that
we're
asking
you
for
and
what
it
relates
to
and
next
slide.
Please.
B
So
there
are,
there
should
hopefully
be
lots
of
benefits
to
this
this
approach
and
and
transforming
transform
our
regulation
model
so
benefits
for
providers.
B
So
there's
better
processing
technology
will
ensure
smoother
integration
from
initial
registration
through
to
ongoing
assessment,
and
so
it
should
be
a
much
kind
of
smoother
experience.
B
Providers
should
view
this
as
their
first
the
registration
assessment
as
their
first
performance
assessment
and
we
required
evidence.
B
So
we
should
hope
we
should
collect
information
only
once
where
it's
available
and
use
this
information
across
our
different
functions,
our
regulatory
platform,
so
the
the
platform
that
we
use
to
support
and
to
drive
our
regulatory
activity
will
capture
evidence,
so
it's
easily
accessible
to
inspectors
and
registration
inspectors
so
that
we
can
use
it
internally
much
better
and
from
the
outset
we
should
have
a
better
understanding
of
providers
and
the
services
that
your
your
delivery
will
be.
B
Delivering
so
there'll
be
benefits
for
for
use
providers
and
also
for
us
internally.
B
So
in
terms
of
the
the
questions
and
the
issues
that
we'd
really
like
your
feedback
on
so
from
your
experiences,
it'll
be
really
really
helpful
to
understand
whether
or
not
you
agree
with
our
ambition
to
better
connect,
our
registration
and
ongoing
assessment
processes,
so
that
our
judgments
are
better
realized.
B
It
would
also
be
really
helpful
to
to
have
your
feedback
on
how
we
can
strengthen
alignment
between
registration,
ongoing
assessment
and
ratings.
What
are
the
some
of
the?
What
are
the
issues
that
you've
experienced?
B
B
So
those
are
the
three
questions
that
our
facilitators
will
be.
I'm
asking
you
to
or
gathering
your
feedback
on
next
slide.
Please,
I
think
we're
gonna,
I
think
now
we're
just
gonna,
take
a
pause
for
some
questions
for
clarification,
a
new
point
to
clarify
clarification
in
terms
of
our
ambitions.
What
we're
trying
to
achieve
and
anything
we
might
need
to
take
into
account.
D
Hi
there,
susan
ajay
from
the
dduso
dental
sector,
can
you
just
clarify
so
between
the
initial
rating
and
the
assessment?
What's
that
timeline,
when
when
do
you,
when
do
you
estimate
you're
getting
to
do
the
full
assessment,
having
initially
rated
a
literally
rated
or
registered
a
practice.
A
A
It
would
get
up
and
running,
and
then
we
would
conduct
the
the
kind
of
further
full
assessment
to
to
to
confirm
and
in
services
work
which
are
rated,
which
obviously
the
dental
sector
isn't
at
them
at
the
moment.
A
So
so
clearly
you
know
we.
We
need
to
adjust
this
in
terms
of
services
that
are
rated
and
and
not
rated,
but
I
think
that
basic
principle
of
you
know
the
the
registration
process
lines
up
with
the
ongoing
assessment.
I
think,
is
kind
of
what
we're
talking
through
here
across
all
services,
but.
A
D
A
So
we
can
talk
this
through
and
get
the
clarity
in
in
the
in
the
in
the
breakout
rooms.
I've
got
a
question
also
now
from.
A
C
Thank
you.
I
think
my
question
linked
to
what
the
other
provider
just
asked,
though,
which
can
be
clarified.
I
hope
in
the
breakout
group,
because
I'm
also
thinking
of
there
are
times
when
you
take
over
a
contract
by
the
local
authority
and
that
service
may
not
have
been
doing
very
well
but
you're.
Taking
on
that
contract,
I'm
just
wondering
what
would
that
assessment?
Look
like.
A
B
There
is
and
what
we
don't
want
to
be
doing,
we
don't
want
to
be.
We
don't
want
to
be.
There
are
certain
circumstances
when
a
provider
will
come
in
and
they'll
be
potentially
struggling
in
service
and
they'll
be
taking
it
on,
and
we
don't
want
to
be
to
this
to
be
a
barrier
for
for
services
being
and
taken
on
and
improved,
so
there'll
be
so
a
lot
of
what
we've
spoken
about
essentially
is
about
a
new
provider.
B
So
a
new
provider
who's
taking
on
new
or
setting
up
a
new
service
for
existing
providers
that
are
looking
to
to
vary
their
to
their
registration.
There
there
potentially
will
be
a
slightly
different
process
where
there'll
be.
It
might
be.
That
kind
of
you
know
there'll
be
a
period
of
time
where
we'll
be
expecting
to
see
improvement
in
that
service,
but
there
are
some
details
that
we
would
need
to
work
through
in
terms
of
overall.
This
is
the
principle
around.
B
Actually,
when
we're
registering
services,
we
would
want
to
register
providers.
That
would
be
good.
There
are
certain
set
of
circumstances
around
existing
struggling
services
that
will
be
taken
on
that.
We
need
to
work
through
and
what
would
be
the
things
that
we
need
to
take
into
account
in
order
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
acting
as
a
barrier
for
services
to
be
taken
on
to
be
improved.
E
E
And
what
does
problem
sounds
like
a
stupid
question,
but
what
does
prioritize
mean
in
that
context?
Because
we
will
have
numerous
examples
of
inspections.
I'm
sure
others
around
in
the
room
world
as
well
of
of
one
or
two
comments
being
taken
is
absolutely
red
because
it
happened
on
the
day
of
the
inspection
and
that's
what
you
found.
That's
it
and
you
don't
you're
not
prepared
to
listen
to
anything
else
whatever
so
prior
to
what
does
prioritize
mean
exactly
in
that
context,
because
it's.
B
So
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
say
is
so
in
a
more
general
in
a
more
general
way
in
terms
of
how
we're
using
categories
of
evidence,
what
we
will
try
to
do
as
opposed
to
processes
and
and
so
looking
at
policies
and
processes.
We'll
be
generally
more
generally.
Thinking
about
and
listening
to
what
people
who
experience
services
have
been
have
told
us
in
order
to
make
sure
that
we're
focusing
on
the
things
that
that
are
important.
B
B
General
way
in
terms
of
how
we
would
use
the
evidence
categories
as
opposed
to
the
individual
comments
or
statements
that
we
might
be,
that
might
have
been
used.
If
that
makes
any
sense.
A
Yeah
and
and
thanks
natasha-
I
think
this
is
also
in
the
context
of
obviously
one
of
the
big
things
in
our
strategy
was
was
about
how
we
bring
people's
experiences
of
care
into
the
centre
of
what
we're
doing-
and
I
think
part
of
that
is-
is
that
we
will
be
kind
of
considerably
enhancing
the
ways
and
the
volume
of
of
information
that
we
collect
from
from
people
using
services
to
to
to
make
sure
that
we
have
got
that
kind
of,
I
suppose,
broader
evidence
base
to
address.
B
Another
thing-
and
we
pulled
it
out
for
this
because
for
none
for
new
providers,
we
don't
have
that
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
have
that
people
and
the
voice
of
people
who
are
using
services
because
we
don't
currently
have
that,
but
for
existing
providers
we
would
have
that
for
other
services.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
using
it
when
we
can
at
the
point
of
registration,
sorry,
amanda,
okay,.
A
Great,
so
I
think
it's
time
to
move
into
the
breakout
rooms
now,
and
so
the
the
kind
of
purpose
of
these
is
is
very
much
to
to
kind
of
get
get
your
views.
The
facilitators
in
the
rooms
won't
won't
have
the
answers
to
to
all
of
your
questions,
and
I
think
it's
really
important,
though,
that
we,
we
kind
of
log
the
sorts
of
issues
that
people
have
have
raised
so
far.
A
So
there
is
a
kind
of
specific
question
about
kind
of
what
do
you
think
some
of
the
barriers
and
and
considerations
around
this?
So
I
think,
if,
if
we
could
kind
of
get
that
good
sense
of
of
of
you
know
what
are
the
things
that
we
we
haven't
thought
of?
What
are
the
things
that
we'd
need
to
take
into
account
here?
A
That
would
be
really
helpful,
so
I
think
we're
getting
back
together
again
at
10,
past
11
and
there'll
be
an
opportunity
there
for
us
to
just
reflect
back
on
feedback
from
those
those
groups.
So
I
think
I'll
hand
over
now
to
stem.