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From YouTube: January 29, 2018 City Council Work Session
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B
So
this
is
a
draft
policy
and
want
to
just
bring
it
to
you
tonight
to
start
some
more
discussion
with
you
and
go
through
it
a
little
bit
see
if
you've
got
any
questions
or
concerns
and
go
back
and
and
redraft
things
that
may
need
to
be
tweaked
and
hopefully
get
us
that
one
step
closer
to
getting
a
revised
policy
in
place.
So
if
you'd
want
to
just
start
throwing
questions
out
or
discussion,
we
can
do
that.
However,
you'd,
like
there
my.
B
It's
a
good
question:
why,
yes,
my
thoughts
on
that
are
the
the
potential
loss
of
employees
is
not
typically
to
communities
that
are
lower
in
population
or
smaller
in
size
to
us,
and
so
the
market
that
we're
really
comparing
ourselves
against
would
be
that
market
that
we
could
lose
people
to,
and
so
that
seven
to
twelve
thousand
range
is
a
little
more
indicative
of
cities
and
cities
with
services
similar
to
ours.
And
so
that's
why
I've
I've
recommended
seven
to
twelve
thousand,
but
certainly
you
as
a
council
to.
B
B
A
couple
of
it
in
the
policy
right
now,
we've
also
drafted
that,
even
though
there
might
be
a
larger
community,
we're
still
going
to
put
a
heavier
weight
to
those
that
are
in
closer
proximity
to
Caribou,
not
just
because
they're
included
in
that
category.
Are
we
gonna
say:
that's
that's
what
we
need
to
be
looking
at.
D
E
B
It
really
is
a
question
of
if
you
start
getting
above
average.
What
is
the
basis
for
compensating
somebody
above
average
wage?
Is
it
I
know,
there's
been
discussion
of
just
the
longevity
component
of
they've
been
with
us
that
long,
and
so
we
should
bump
them
up
or
there's
the
are
they
working
above
average
and
performing
above
average
doing
things
above
average
to
where
they
weren't
getting
paid
above
average,
at
which
point
you're
now
into
a
merit-based
system
which
we
don't
have
in
place,
and
so
again
it's
a
discussion.
I've.
B
B
B
A
B
E
B
F
F
Classification
program
is
that
include
those
markets
of
non
municipal
employment,
because
when
the
previous
region
classification
was
put
together,
there
was
no
non
municipal
data
compiled.
So
if
we
weren't
looking
at
that-
and
if
we're
going
to
be
comparing
municipality
to
municipality,
then
there
should
be
no
reason
for
us
to
go
outside
the
municipality.
So.
C
B
F
F
B
For
the
most
part
of
most
municipal
positions,
you're
going
to
be
able
to
compare
with
the
municipal
or
mm8
survey,
it's
it's
more
of
those
positions,
really
the
only
ones
I
can
think
of
there.
It
might
be
an
issue
would
be
your
truck
drivers
with
Public
Works.
They
get
pulled
away
into
the
private
market.
B
F
That's
a
trait
with
the
small
communities,
they
train
two
people
and
then
they
move
on
to
bigger
and
better
things,
and
you
can't
compete
with
them
and
that's
no
comparison
whatsoever.
If
you
want
to
compare
them
to
moving
to
Presque
Isle
for
another
$100
a
week
or
a
month
or
something
like
that,
I
think
I
could
you
know,
live
with
that,
but
I
just
I
just
know
myself:
I,
don't
see
it,
how
the
rest
of
the
people
thing.
A
F
And
then,
as
far
as
the
comparisons
of
concern
I
do
question
why
we
went
from
six
to
ten.
I
was
looking
probably
more
six
to
nine,
because
realistically
that's
what
you
dealing
with
also
again
you're,
not
hiring
or
losing
people
to
the
larger
populations
that
when
was
the
last
time
somebody
to
go
someplace
else,
I
mean
if
you're
going
to
do
comparison.
Let's
keep
it
probably.
You
know
at
least
close
to
powerful
what
we
are
we're
at.
E
G
G
C
E
B
Being
able
to
look
at
the
ratio
of
costs
that
way,
I
know
this
is
a
little
strange,
but
there's
actually
an
index
for
the
Big
Mac
index.
The
cost
of
a
hamburger
here
versus
a
hamburger
there
there's
there's
different
ways
of
looking.
You
know
what
is
that
cost
difference,
and,
and
we
could
we
could
tie
that
down
or
tightly.
B
A
A
A
Think
six
to
ten
is
what
we
used
last
time.
The
last
contract.
The
last
comment:
it's
not
a
contract
they're,
not!
You
know
the
last
rays
that
these
people
received
two
years
ago
was
based
on
this
process.
We
used,
we
used
the
six
to
ten
thousand
and
we
use
the
average
in
those
communities
and
they
were
paying
that
average.
But
it
was
here
that
that
as
a
year
old,
so
there
were
paid
last
year's
average
of
what
was
in
these
communities.
That's
how
they
were
based
last
night
and
then
the
next
round.
A
A
I
can
go
either
way,
even
the
15,000.
That's
not
I
I
boil
it
down
to
its
the
location
of
the
community.
We're
talking
about
you
can
go
back
and
and
know.
This
was
the
108
that
was
signed
in
and
we
use
Camden
and
they
only
had
a
population
of
5,400.
We
use
Rockland
News
Ellsworth
and
my
favorite
was
they
used
or
not
so
I
just
would
like
to
and
I.
C
A
Those
communities
to
be
very
unfair,
I
know
what
they
sell.
Hanging
baskets
for
I
know
what
they
sell.
A
dozen
there's
a
porn
or
I
know
if
they
sell
strawberries
for,
and
we
can't
even
come
close
to
what
these
communities
so
thankful.
So
it's
the
location
more
than
the
dist
population
and
I
was
just
if
I
guess
I'd
like
them.
I,
don't
know
what
the
municipalities
are.
We're
using.
That's
all
well.
B
That
kind
of
speaks
to
I
think
what
customer
Theriot
was
talking
about
was.
Do
we
want
to
come
up
with
a
formula
of
proximity-based
waiting
factors
for
for
each
of
these
communities
and
then,
as
you
say,
you
could
certainly
open
it
up
and
look
at
what
are
the
services
they
have
compared
to
our
services
number
of
employees
versus
our
number
of
points
so.
A
Then
we
have
not
yet
determined
communities
yuusha,
we
did
last
time
there
was
all
communities
between
six
and
eight
thousand
between
six
and
ten
thousand
in
population.
So
as
of
two
years
ago,
our
people
are
not
way
out
of
whack
as
far
as
the
average
with
those
communities.
So
it's
not
like
it's
going
to
take.
You
know
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
put
them
up
to
average,
because
they're
they're
close
are
they
were
there?
The
only
question
is
the
rationale
behind
that
was.
A
D
D
B
In
the
2008
process
it
was,
it
was
more
merit-based
and
looking
at
it,
and
then
we
kind
of
morphed
into
the
the
longevity
discussion
and
last
year.
What
the
council
did
as
I
understand
approved,
was
a
two
percent
longevity
pay
four
years,
four
and
five,
so
that
at
the
end
of
your
fifth
year
working
for
the
city,
you
would
have
been
four
percent
above
average.
D
E
C
E
F
B
The
it
depends
on
which
department
they're
going
into
if
it's
once
it's
a
truck
driver
and
Public
Works,
that
spark
time
would
still
get
similar
wages
to
the
park.
The
truck
driver,
it's
full-time,
a
part-time
employee
that
works
in
the
park,
Department
that
helps
with
coaching
a
summer
program
may
just
get
minimum
wage.
A
E
F
B
B
B
So
the
salary
survey-
not
anybody-
can
get
into
this.
You
have
to
have
a
special
login
approval
from
me,
Municipal
Association,
to
get
into
it,
but
generally
it
is
all
public
information
which
somebody
could
request
if
they
if
they
wanted
to,
but
you
can
come
in
and
you
can,
for
instance,
Paul
administrative
salaries,
the
manager
and
indicate
the
different
roles
that
they
have
the
number
of
hours
that
they
work
and
be
able
to
start.
Comparing
this
position
with
anybody
else,
and
you
can
add
filters
to
it.
B
The
relative
spread
of
of
information
than
you've
asked
for
so
an
hourly
pay
rate
for
that
particular
administrative
position
ranges
from
28
to
48
dollars
an
hour
or
an
annual
salary
of
58
to
almost
$100,000,
with
stipends,
ranging
from
six
hundred
dollars
to
six
thousand
dollars,
and
you
can
pick
which,
which
municipalities
you
actually
want
to
have
in
there
again
by
the
county
or
the
population.
And
then
you.
C
B
D
F
B
B
B
We,
the
building,
Facilities
Committee,
met,
and
we
had
Joan
and
her
counselor
Kirkpatrick
otário
there
and
cast
member
coat
was
not
able
to
make
it,
but
we
had
a
lengthy
discussion
on
different
issues
rather
from
what
studies
have
been
done
in
the
past,
where
we
want
to
go
in
the
future,
what
kind
of
public
involvement
we
want
to
have,
and
maybe
with
that
they
would
just
turn
it
over
to
the
council
members
that
were
part
of
that
discussion.
Maybe
they
can
leave
it
here
out.
G
G
G
I
think
the
consensus
at
the
time
was
that
we
probably
should
work
on
the
entire
safety
building,
rather
than
just
build
a
build
or
try
to
find
a
location
for
the
police
department,
because
that's
been
researched
and
if
any
repairs
or
anything
that
would
be
made
on
the
fire
station
would
open
up
the
larger
can
of
worms.
As
far
as
the
disability
of
the
America,
the
American
disability,
Association,
is
it
that
would
come
into
play
as
far
as
anything
going
up
like
that.
G
So
we
thought
that
the
best
way
to
go
would
be
to
apply
for
a
grant
put
it
on
the
ballot
for
hopefully
in
June,
that
if
we
got
the
grant,
would
the
population
support
a
new
fire
station
at
the
bird's
eye
sight?
There's
a
packet
here
that
I
didn't
have
copies
for
everybody,
but
that
both
chiefs
came
up
with.
There
were
a
lot
of
questions
and
they
had
questions
here
and
they
this
packet
has
answers.
I,
don't
know
if
that's
on
just
didn't
yet
on
the
website.
G
G
A
A
G
A
We
have
a
committee,
the
building,
hmmm
I,
think
we
should
expand
a
committee
for
this
one
purpose
and
that
has
townspeople
that
want
to
attend
whether
they're
for
or
against
or
indifferent,
just
want
to
learn
that
so
I'd
like
to
see
us
what
a
dino
Republican
asking
for
people
and
then
setting
up
a
meeting
or
to
being
a
runner.
It's
kind
of
sad.
Yet
whatever
asking.
C
A
H
A
You're
right,
David
so,
and
the
rec
took
a
couple
we
did
a
couple
times
and
so
I'm
thinking
that
more
people
will
more
people
would
be
receptive
to
this
than
to
like
the
red
or
some
people
don't
use
the
red
or
whatever.
But
I
think
we
need
to
educate
the
public
a
lot
more
before
we
ask
them
to
vote
and.
G
I
I
A
I
F
It
depends
on
the
pot
of
money
that
the
grant
money
is
coming
from
first
of
all,
as
far
as
time
constraints,
and
then
it
depends
on
when
it's
obligated,
because
it
may
not
necessarily
be
obligated
upon
acceptance,
and
so
you
have
a
certain
period
of
time.
Ok
to
confirm
yes
or
no.
We
are
going
to
accept
it
once
you
accept
it
to
go
through
the
obligatory
process,
and
then
you
have
a
certain
amount
of
time
after
the
dollars
are
obligated
to
start
spending,
so
it
could
be.
F
I
I
A
D
A
The
thing
is:
if
it's
gonna
take
eight
or
nine
months
to
get
their
grand
I'll
find
out.
If
you
do
work,
there's
me
we're
going
to
sit
here
and
wait
for
that.
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
these
questions.
A
lot
of
this
work
can
be
done
and
if
they
get
the
grant
and
you're
ready
all
right,
they
don't
get
the
grant.
Then
the
plane
beat
but
I.
You
don't
have
to
accept
it.
Man
so.
I
E
F
Don't
want
like
the
process,
but
going
into
this,
the
original
need
I
base
it
on
the
need
is
the
police
department,
and
at
the
time
we
went
into
this,
we
were
under
the
impression
that
the
police
department
couldn't
apply
for
any
grants
and
that
there
was
a
stronger
possibility
that
when
combined
and
then
with
the
fire
department,
be
then
the
opportunity
to
receive
the
grant
would
be
better,
but
now
that
we
know
that
they
can
put
into
it
independently
and
not
have
to
worry
about
the
fire.
I
think
that's
what
mean.
B
F
F
B
Oftentimes
with
the
grants,
you
can
also
submit
that
this
is
the
you
basically
submit
for
the
whole
enchilada.
If
you
did
for
the
whole
thing,
and
you
can
always
scale
the
project
back,
if
you
scale
the
project
back,
then
the
grant
award
also
would
be
scaled
back
proportionally
and
they
may
say,
the
scope
of
your
project
has
changed
to
the
extent
that
we
may
take
more
than
just
a
little
off
the
top.
B
You
know
or
because
you've
changed
the
skull,
but
they
could
just
say:
you've
gone
from
a
9
million
dollar
project
to
a
4
million
dollar
project,
and
they
still
may
give
you
a
2.2
million
for
the
55%.
We
don't
know,
but
usually
it's
best
to
apply
for
the
larger
amount
and
scale
back.
If
you
need
to.
B
So
that
gets
to
the
the
question
of
do
we
need,
we
think,
there's
an
understanding
that
there
needs
to
be
a
new
police
station.
But
if
you
build
a
new
police
station
and
then
you
also
add
on
to
the
fire
station
to
meet
its
needs,
what's
that
combined
cost
relative
to
building
a
brand
new
facility
and
that's
part
of
I
think
what
we've
we
need
to
get
out
of
this
study
from
the
architect
is
some
of
that
side-by-side
comparison.
A
I
A
B
Man,
council
we've
met
as
department
heads
and
had
a
lengthy
discussion
on
on
what's
been
happening
with
disposal
of
surplus
goods
and
what
we
can
do
to
be
a
little
more
open
to
the
public
about
what
can
be
surplus
tour.
What
has
been
surplus
and
also
meeting
the
obligation
to
that
you
would
have
to
be
mindful
of
what's
being
declared
surplus
and
how
to
dispose
of
that
and
again,
a
draft
proposal
that
we've
put
together
basically
six
points
that
we
would
look
at.
B
Basically,
it
creates
a
threshold
system
where,
if
yeah,
if
an
item
is
surplus,
either
because
it's
out
of
date,
equipment
that
we
can
no
longer
a
use
or
it's
being
replaced
with
with
newer
equipment
or
it's
just
something.
We
don't
need
anymore
and
we'd
be
able
to
surplus
it
right
now,
we've.
What
we've
drafted
is
that
if
it
has
a
value
less
than
five
hundred
dollars,
the
department
heads
would
just
take
care
of
it
as
in
the
most
efficient
way
possible,
most
economical
way
possible,
but
leave
that
up
to
the
department
heads.
B
If
it's
has
a
market
value
greater
than
five
hundred
dollars,
then
the
city
would
compile
that
into
a
list
which
we'd
put
on
the
city's
website
being
available
for
purchase
by
the
public
on
a
first-come,
first-served
basis
and
sold,
as
is,
if
it
doesn't
get
sold
off
the
website,
then
the
department
head
that
surpassed
it
again.
They
could
dispose
of
it
as
as
they
feel
it
would
be
most
appropriate.
B
Then
we
have
items
that
the
city
considers
fixed
assets
and
that
we
have
insurance
on
those
items,
might
be
cars,
trucks,
certain
types
of
equipment
that
before
that
could
go
on
to
the
website.
It
have
to
be
brought
to
the
City
Council
for
your
action
on
those
items
and
of
course
all
of
these
items
would
have
to
be
disposed
of
in
accordance
with
funding
stipulations.
B
If
we,
for
instance,
if
we
bought
it
with
some,
if
the
library,
for
instance,
bought
some
equipment
with
some
trust
funds
that
had
stipulations
on
the
purchase
of
the
equipment
that
she
can
only
dispose
of
that
in
accordance
with
those
those
dollars
and
and
what
might
be
tied
to
those
dollars
or
grant
funds
that
we
may
have
used
whatever.
If
it's
evidence
or
things
that
we've
acquired
by
legal
action
or
a
court
action,
then
we
have
to
abide
by
the
legal
process
to
dispose
of
those
items.
B
The
last
one.
This
is
one
that
I
know
the
department
heads
have
requested
and
I've
kind
of
had
some
second
thoughts
about
this
over
the
course
of
the
day.
But
right
now,
the
way
it
reads
is
the
proceeds
from
the
sale
of
any
surplus
item
shall
be
put
into
general
equipment
reserves
for
the
respective
department
from
which
the
surplus
item
was
received.
I
guess
the
thought
being
there
that
came
out
of
that
department.
B
Anything
should
go
back
into
the
apartment,
but
at
the
same
time
anything
that
goes
into
that
department
usually
came
in
from
the
general
funds
of
the
city.
At
some
point,
and
should
those
funds
then
come
back
into
the
general
revenues
of
the
city
to
be
allocated
back
out
as
well
through
the
budget
process
or
allocations
that
way,
so
number
six
I
think
is
a
little
more
up
in
the
air,
but
everything
else.
We
felt
pretty
confident
about
to
bring
to
you
tonight.
It
is
again
draft
and
for
your
discussion.
B
C
E
E
B
D
D
H
Think
of
you
listed
it
as
a
fair
market
value.
You
have
nine
chairs
into
one
cell
behind
chairs
for
twenty
dollars
a
piece
you
could
list
it
as
twenty
dollars.
First
person
who
comes
along
him
that
made
the
offer
$20
and
stuff
it
wasn't
start
a
bid
at
once
end
and
let
it
go
to
two
cents
in
the
process
and
two
dollars,
but
a
fair
market
value
on
me
to
get
you
list.
The
first.
E
B
A
A
A
Even
though
it's
indirect,
the
council
still
has
some
kind
of
say,
as
this
process
goes
forward,
so
I
don't
know
if
this
is
a
job
description
that
the
department
head
should
it's
not
that
they
should
have
it.
It's
just
that
we
don't
have
that
form
of
government.
We
have
a
City
Council
former
governor,
where
we
hire
city
manager
to
run
the
show
and
I
believe
we
missed
the
step
here
by
not
letting
the
city
manager
where
whoever
he
or
she
is
make
sure,
and
it
can
be
done
on
the
recommendations
of
the
department
heads.
A
You
can
follow
this
and
still
look
I
believe
it
still
ought
to
be
signed
off
by
the
person
who
we
hire
to
run
our
city
and
everything.
The
city
manager,
I,
have
seven
or
ten
different
individuals
out
there.
Conducting
business
of
the
city
so
I
have
no
I,
have
problems
with
this,
but
it
could
all
be
eliminated
if
we
had
one
person
final.
B
A
K
Okay,
so
it's
part
of
my
exit
strategy,
I'm
trying
to
keep
things
as
seamless
and
as
smooth
as
possible.
So
you'll
probably
see
more
of
these
things
come
your
way,
so
this
is
just
to
put
in
a
formal
policy
how
we
handle
return
checks
again.
This
is
what
we've
been
doing
all
along
it's
just
so
that
as
I
slowly
make
my
way
out
the
door
that
the
next
person
who's
stepping
in
doesn't
have
any
question
as
far
as
how
to
handle
certain
things.
D
K
Well,
if,
if
the
check
comes
back
non-sufficient,
then
technically,
your
registration
is
not
valid,
so
we
contact
the
state
of
Maine
and
they
take
care
of
it
on
their
end.
At
that
point,
it's
out
of
our
hands
and
they
take
care
of
it
and
you
have
to
pay
them
the
restitution
to
reinstate
your
registration.
B
This
was
was
in
your
packets,
I
think.
Just
to
summarize,
the
city
spent
384,
roughly
two
hundred
four
thousand
dollars
less
than
we
anticipated
expending
and
we
took
in
fifty
thousand
roughly
fifty
thousand
more
than
we
anticipated
as
far
as
revenues.
So
from
that
standpoint
the
city
did
pretty
good
last
year
in
2017.
The
the
difference
between
those
is
four
hundred
thirty-four
thousand
seven
fifty
nine
dollars
that
typically
goes
into
the
rainy
day
fund.
K
C
F
F
So
it's
not
designated
time,
so,
if
you
designated,
then
you
can
save
up
to
5%
a
year
and
then
that
would
be
used
by
that
purposes
and
then
anything
above
and
beyond.
That
should
go
to
reduce
taxes
and
they
don't
have
that
item
in
every
year,
and
that
was
one
of
the
points
I
made
a
couple
of
years
ago
when
again
last
year.
B
B
What
you're
looking
at
on
the
far
right
is
the
percentage
difference
in
anticipated
revenue
for
the
general
funds,
and
so
you
can
see
for
the
most
part,
we're
projecting
reduction
in
some
of
those
revenues,
though
the
largest
difference
in
the
positive
is,
with
the
airport
fund,
sixty
we're
estimating
eight
thousand
dollars
of
revenue
at
the
airport
and
that's
because
of
the
the
new
leases
that
we'll
have
for
the
the
six
base
T
hangar
project.
So
that's
why
you're,
showing
almost
a
you
know
a
six
thousand
percent
increase
in
revenue
there
right
now.
B
And
so
you
can
see,
the
year-end
for
2017
was
just
a
little
over
six
point:
five
million
they
for
2016.
It
was
just
over
six
point:
three
million
we're
projecting
close
to
the
six
point,
five
million
again
for
2018
for
general
government
and
that
that
includes
our
property
taxes.
The
fees
for
services
and
again
privatize,
is
the
bulk
of
that
one.
B
We
haven't
shown
it
as
a
revenue
in
the
2018
budget,
there's
been
discussion
of
taking
that
260
thousand
and
letting
it
stay
in
reserve
and
helping
offset.
Maybe
future
increases
to
the
cost
of
landfill
use
as
a
way
again
of
helping
reduce
the
long-term
expenses
of
the
city.
The
other
item
that
we
would
have
is.
F
B
So
the
other
one
right,
the
other
funding
that
we
have
was
from
the
RSU
39.
We
received
a
sum
of
money
roughly
hundred
and
forty
thousand
dollars
last
year,
which
is
supposed
to
go
to
help
offset
the
mill
rate
we've,
we
did
receive
that
check
as
well
and
just
just
half
of
it
right.
The
other
half
will
come
later
this
year.
But
again
it's
a
question
of
how
do
we
want
to
utilize
those
funds?
It
needs
to
go
toward
educational
purposes
or
reduction
of
the
mill
rate,
and
so
there's
a
question
of.
K
B
B
A
A
A
B
Well,
yeah,
just
the
a
matter
of
discussion.
The
the
concern
I
think
is
that
any
dialogue
that
happens
in
a
council
meeting,
particularly
where
it's
being
broadcast,
should
be
open
to
the
public
and
know.
What's
going
on
I
know
some
communities
have
kind
of
slapped
the
councilors
hands,
because
councillors
might
be
texting
each
other
across
the
table
in
the
middle
of
a
meeting
you
know,
or
you
know,
how
are
you
going
to
vote
or
but
the
same
can
be
true
with
the
public
texting
the
council
members
in
the
middle
of
the
meeting
and.