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Well,
if
I
could
just
have
a
few
couple
minutes
to
say
something,
I,
don't
think
we
have
anything
new
to
add
other
than
to
at
answer
your
questions
or
anybody
from
the
public
tonight,
but
I
just
thought
I
would
give
you
an
overview
of
where
we're
at
in
the
process
and
in
terms
of
timeline.
I
want
to
say,
first
of
all,
thank
you
very
much
for
having
a
special
meeting
tonight
to
do
the
public
hearing
portion
of
the
the
Planning
Board
approval.
We
are
on
schedule
right
now.
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Second,
we
have
to
go
to
the
Department
of
Education
for
the
subcommittee
approval
and
then
February
14th,
we'll
have
a
final
Department
of
Education
approval
bidding
were
slated
to
go
to
bid
February,
2nd
and
we'll
bid
through
the
month
of
March
with
bids
due
on
April
3rd
right
now
we
are
on
schedule
for
that.
That
would
mean
we
would
have
a
scheduled
construction
style
with
a
successful
contract
or
in
bid
period.
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We've
decided
to
extend
the
contract
or
pre-qual
period
to
February
2nd
to
make
sure
that
as
many
contractors
and
as
many
subcontractors
know
about
the
project
before
we
go
out
to
bid,
the
contractor
is
for
general
construction
need
to
be
pre-qualified,
so
we're
just
going
to
make
sure
that
everybody
knows
that
we're
going
to
open
the
door
a
little
bit
wider.
We've
also
had
a
successful
interviews
for
the
clerk
of
the
works
and
notification
of
that
will
be
forthcoming.
So
I
think
we
have
all
the
products
in
place.
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Would
I
would
think
that,
if,
after
everything
is
completed
and
in
place,
if
there's
nothing
that
says
that
whether
something
is
one-way
or
two-way,
it
can't
be
changed
after
the
fact,
if
further
evaluation
warrants
that
you
know
this,
one
way
now
needs
to
be
come
to
way.
In
order
to
facilitate
these
cars,
to
move
out,
I
mean
nothing
is
cast,
but.
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From
the
d-o-t
standpoint,
they
allow
parents
staff
come
in
this
way
and
then
circulate
one
way
through
this
drop-off
loop.
They
can
enter
the
parking
lot,
it's
wait,
but
they
would
have
to
go
out
on
glass.
This
will
be
signed
service
vehicles.
Only
excuse
me
this
area
back
here
by
the
biomass
building
and
the
service
building
you're.
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I
can
see
at
the
end
of
the
day
with
the
influx
of
traffic.
Let's
say
for
those
people
who
were
picking
up
their
children
there,
it's
not
going
to
be
advantageous
for
somebody
to
try
to
scoot
through
there,
because
the
amount
of
traffic
that's
probably
going
to
be
flowing
in
from
Bennett
Drive
into
that
area,
is
just
going
to
make
it
almost
a
nightmare.
For
somebody
to
try
to
this
is
true.
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Well,
it's
time,
there's
a
lot
of
phases
on
this
project
and
it's
a
construction
project
and
everything
is
not
going
to
be
perfect.
However,
we
did
do
a
phase
three
for
cracking
and
Mark
had
some
questions
as
well.
We
expect
that
the
pool
property
would
be
accessible
to
the
contractor
for
contract
for
parking
and
that
can
easily
accommodate
50
to
60
vehicles,
but
that's
for
their
use
for
the
middle
school.
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You
know
this
is
also
not
a
perfect
scenario
in
that
time
period.
But
what
we're
showing
is
the
use
of
the
side
for
drop-off
and
for
cracking
we
sort
of
verified
that
we
could
get
some
diagonal
parking
in
here
for
both
ways,
but
the
front
of
the
middle
school
would
be
used
for
buses,
and
this
is
a
parent
drop-off
loop
of
cracking
on
the
inside.
This
parking
would
remain
here
and
we
probably
lose
a
few
places
out
back
here,
so
that
the
students
have
some
place
to
go
outside
in
two
areas.
It's
and
in.
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Here,
where
we're
thinking
that
we
could
get
66
spaces
I
know
that's
not
up
for
the
lap
that
you
want
or
Marc
I
think
you
were
looking
for
72
to
75,
but
there's
more
spaces
you
have
more
than
enough
to
over
here
at
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Park
Elementary
School.
So
there
may
have
to
be
some.
You
know
some
trade-off
there.
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Is
up
and
running
and
they
start
to
have
let's
say
functions
during
the
day.
You
know
if
they
have
a
concert
during
the
day.
You
know
where
the
school
is
going
to
be
in
session,
but
you
can
have
an
influx
of
traffic
with
regards
to
parents.
You
know
work
where
is
gonna,
be
a
feasible
spot
for
parents
to
park.
That's
not
going
to
tie
up
track.
You
know,
hinder
traffic
on
Glenn
Street.
Just
obviously
do
not
gonna
be
parking
on
they're,
not
going
to
be
parking
on
Bennett
Drive,
but
just
that
yeah.
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through
2,
so
I
mean
I
mean
there
were
people
parked
too
deep
on
the
side
by
the
Little
League
fields.
There
was
you
know.
Sometimes
there
was
two
or
three
deep
on
the
side
by
the
fence
by
the
school,
so
I
mean
yeah.
You
had
the
influx
of
those
kinds
of
parents
for
that
kind
of
activity.
I
just
see
a
potential
problem
for
for
parking
with
regards
to
you
know
having
events
during
the
school
day.
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You
know:
we've
got
as
much
cracking
on
here
as
the
Department
of
Education
will
allow
us
to
go
with
panic,
drop-off
loop.
If
you
were
to
use
that
yep
as
well,
we've
got
42
staff
and
visitor
we've
got
130,
and
then
we
got
the
bus
route
as
well.
Glasses
won't
be
there,
so
that
could
be
that
could
be
used.
Okay,.
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There's
a
little
there's
a
little
bit
of
flexibility
there,
as
well
as
on
the
other
side
of
the
street.
If
you
could
do
some
sharing
I
know
it's
a
distance
yep,
oh
yeah,
but
you
know:
we've
got
up
here
in
front
with
a
reconfiguration
and
feedback.
We've
got
81
showing
out
front
here
which
will
be
permanent,
yeah
plus
there's
this
area
and.
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We're
we're
proposing
a
sign
out
of
the
front
entry.
That's
a
double-acting
sign
that
you
can
see
from
either
way
going
up
on
Bennett,
okay,
okay
and
that
will
be
electronic
when
I
right
now,
there's
not
an
electronic
bulletin
board
out
there,
but
it
will
be
we're
planning
on
a
sign
that
some,
the
letters
were
mated
okay.
So
it's
got
a
power.
That's
a
lot!
So
since.
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Flank
some
horseshoes
seriously
fine,
it
was
a
horse
drag
at
the
horse
track.
It
was
a
horse
track.
Geek
Park
was
in
the
horse
track.
I
have
a
picture
of
it.
Please
that's
all
we
try.
That's
what
I
certainly.
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Only
say
I
trust
that
those
requirements
are
in
the
contract,
because
the
state
has
approval
of
this
contract.
Maybe
that's
a
bad
thing
for
a
chairman
to
say:
I
trust,
but
that's.
The
state
I
have
a
funny
feeling
that
that
that's
covered
good
point.
Kevin
Kevin
Burt,
it's
just
like
a
diamond
I.
Do
nobody
finds
diamonds
or
good
artifacts
I
want
a
phone
call,
I,
say.
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Have
had
no
requests
for
permits,
however,
we
had
been
approached
in
conversation
on
one
apartment
application,
possibly
which
would
involve
rezoning.
It
could
be
kind
of
a
more
complicated
application.
One
conversation
regarding
unlawful
camping,
an
RV
park
in
one
conversation
of
a
possible
auto
detailing
business
initially
it'd
be
like
a
whole,
a
whole
business
and
then
moving
out
into
the
community,
so
conversational,
okay,.
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Think
some
of
the
some
of
the
legal
aspects
changing
the
zones
you've
been
working
on
I,
don't
know
that
it's
going
to
shift
things
around
a
lot
from
what
you've
already
been
working
on.
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
little
more
sort
of
context
to
land
use
regulation
and
this
I
say:
there's
a
gross
understatement.
The
facts
and
details
as
far
as
training
goes,
but
I
think
I'll
just
give
you
some
good
base
knowledge
to
which
to
work
from
that
still.
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So
land
use
regulation,
basically,
the
imposition
of
regulations
affecting
the
use
benefit
enjoyment
of
property
in
order
to
protect
and
foster
the
general
health,
safety,
well-being
and
vitality
of
Disney
ated
communal
interest,
because
what
they
may,
whatever
the
community
decides.
This
is
what
our
priorities
are,
what
we
want
to
protect
or
enhance,
or
whatever
that's
usually
the
basis
for
creating
lantus
regulations,
and
those
can
be
anything
as
I
said,
from
health
and
safety.
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Need
to
be
relying
upon
a
general
plan
with
their
land
use
regulations
the
end
of
that
document,
you're
very
familiar
with
it.
If
you,
if
you
haven't
read
it
lately,
have
encouraged
you
to
do
so,
but
your
general
plan
really
is
the
rudder
that
helps
steer
the
ship
for
all
the
land,
use
regulations
and.
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The
looking
how
I
was
putting
those
words
together,
I
started
looking
like
a
ship,
so
I
used
that
metaphor,
but
basically,
that's
everything.
You're
doing
needs
to
be
pointed
toward
what
are
our
long-term
goals
for
this
area
and
not
necessarily
what
are
the
current
uses
there
and
have
we
make
the
zoning
match
the
current
uses?
But
how
do
we
start
to
drive
this
reduction?
L
We
want
to
go
one
of
the
things
that
I
tasked
Kevin
doing
fairly
shortly
is
to
do
a
land
use
survey
of
the
city,
so
we
do
have
a
better
indication
of
what
current
land
uses
art.
So
we
do
have
another
baseline
of
this
is
what
we're
working
with
there's
awning.
You
can
rely
on
that
to
a
degree,
but
it
also
helps
if
you're
looking
to
see
some
things
happening
in
the
area
where
there's
already
there.
How
can
we
capitalize
on
that
or
what
do
we
need
to
work
around?
L
So
that's
the
projects
that
we
working
on
after
we
get
some
things
out
of
the
way,
but
it
a
lot
of
it
stems
back.
This
is
one
of
the
major
landmark
issues
that
occurred
that
started.
This
idea
of
the
need
for
regulation
when
the
fires
broke
out
in
1666
in
London.
You
had
those
are
pictures
that
an
artist
drew
of
buildings
that
remained
after
the
London
fire.
L
They
were
torn
down
in
the
early
1800s,
but
he
was
able
to
go
in
as
an
artist
and
get
a
kind
of
snapshot
of
the
kind
of
building
construction
that
you
had
in
the
area.
Almost
everything
was
made
out
of
wood
wood,
timber,
Tudor
design.
You
know
very
ornate,
moldings
the
buildings.
As
you
went
up
in
stories,
they
will
just
cantilever
out
the
next
story,
and
some
of
the
alleyways
you'd
have
buildings
across
the
alley
from
each
other
that
we're
closer
than
they
were
at
the
street
levels.
You
know
why
they
did
that
when.
L
Need
for
public
sewage
systems
right,
you
know
so
there's
when
they
started
rebuilding
the
city.
This
was
a
quote
from
history:
calm
that
I
found.
It
was
just
a
very
simple
synopsis
of
what
happened.
Basically,
they
said
we
need
to
start
having
better
construction
standards
and
even
have
better
separation
between
buildings.
We
need
to
have
better
ways
of
fire
brigades
getting
in
through
the
streets
protecting
the
residents.
L
You
get
some
of
your
first
building
codes
as
a
result
of
this
fire
and
again
it
comes
back
to
this
looking
at.
We
need
to
make
some
things
safer.
They
in
the
late
nineteen
hundreds
you
have.
You
have
the
philosophical
movements
that
start
to
creep
out
into
American
society
and
academia
and
architecture.
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It
was
coming
through
the
Industrial
Age,
where
people
were
seeing
gray,
dark
cities
living
conditions
weren't
the
best,
and
there
was
a
kind
of
reaching
out
for
how
do
we
improve
the
quality
of
life?
How
do
we
make
things
better
for
other
living
conditions?
You
started
to
see
again
in
the
Industrial
Revolution.
You
see
the
smokestacks,
the
factories
and
all
those
things
that
people
were
hoping
to
escape,
but
they
couldn't
because
they
had
to
make
a
living
and
so
living
conditions,
weren't
the
grass
or
the
best
and
in
the
city
beautiful
movement
you
have.
L
It
was
the
late
1800s
Early
1900s.
You
have
this
philosophy
that
you
know
what.
Maybe,
if
we
tear
down
some
of
the
ugly
and
build
back
grandiose,
people
will
have
a
better
feeling
about
the
place
where
they
live,
and
so
one
of
the
the
main
results
was
the
National
Mall,
where
he
had
plans
for
the
big
monuments,
the
big
Gardens,
the
the
more
European
ask.
L
You
know
estates
type
of
things
that
if
people
can
come
in
and
joy,
these
plaza
and
sand.
This
amazing
statuary
and
these
amazing
buildings
they'll,
have
a
greater
pride
in
their
in
their
their
living
arrangements
and
it'll
be
more
they'll,
be
happier
because
we
put
all
this
money
into
these
great
things.
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Each
of
the
cities
has
their
own
water
supply
and
you
basically
you
look
at.
How
can
you
build
these
centers,
the
the
central
city
right
in
the
middle
of
that
diagram
he
was
estimating
would
be
about
12,000
acres
in
size
and
the
capacity
for
another
58,000
people,
12,000
acres
and
the
smaller
circles
you'd
be
about
six
thousand
six
thousand
acres
and
32,000
people.
L
So
this
isn't
just
a
a
single
city
thing.
This
was
his
grandiose
vision
for
it
yeah.
If
the
whole
countryside
could
be
developed
in
a
way
this
would
this
could
make
things
work
and
Ebenezer
Howard.
He
Keith
I
thought
this
was
interesting
quote
he
said
by
soul,
laying
out
a
Garden
City
that,
as
it
grows,
the
free
gifts
of
nature,
fresh
air
or
sunlight,
breathing
rhythm
playing.
A
room
shall
be
still
retain
in
all
needed
abundance.
L
Well,
as
the
automobile
came
into
play,
you
started
to
see
some
Ennis
leap,
frog
type
of
development
occurring.
You
saw
cities
having
the
connections,
and
you
also
started
to
see
these
this
growth
pattern
out
and
not
necessarily
did
you
see
all
the
same
benefits
that
he
was
asking
for,
but
people
were
certainly
escaping
the
big
cities
because
it
was
cheaper.
It
was
easier
to
get
somewhere
in
the
freeway
systems
that
were
built,
the
United
States
kind
of
helped
expand
that
the
city
and
still
the
idea
being.
L
This
is
just
a
breakdown
of
some
major
court
cases
that
have
occurred
over
the
years
that
have
kind
of
led
up
to
where
we
are
with
our
zoning
regulations.
Today,
one
of
the
first
cases
at
the
Supreme
Court
was
of
ultra
versus
Swayze
community
in
Massachusetts.
They
they
thought
in
a
commercial
area.
L
You
could
build
a
you,
could
build
a
building
120
feet
tall,
but
in
a
more
residential
area
it
should
maybe
only
be
50
to
80
feet
tall,
because
the
women
and
children
would
be
more
susceptible
to
fire
hazards
in
residential
areas,
and
they
don't
want
that
and
have
to
come
down
through
tall
buildings
to
get
the
safety
and
the
developers
they
didn't
like
having
to
be
limited
by
heighth
regulation.
So
it
went
to
court
and
the
court
said,
though,
there's
a
reasonable
there's
a
reasonable.
L
This
reason
for
this
purpose
behind
the
regulation
and
so
we're
going
to
defer
to
the
local
government
to
take
care
of
its
own
in
a
reasonable
fashion
and
we're
gonna
uphold
height
regulations,
and
it
wasn't.
There
were
many
other
cities
either
before
this
that
were
implementing
those,
but
it
just
happened
me
that
that
city
was
the
woman
that
was
sued
in
1915
had
a
Czech
versus
Sebastian.
L
This
was
an
interesting
one
where
the
city
of
Los
Angeles
and
next,
an
existing
brick
planned
and,
after
they
had
accidentally,
said
we're
kind
of
glad
you're
in
the
city.
But
we
don't
like
your
impacts
and
so
we're
going
to
zone
you
out.
You
can't
operate
anymore
and
the
courts
at
the
time
they
upheld
the
city's
reasoning
for
the
we
don't
want
the
negative
impacts,
and
so
we're
going
to
fold
you
down
the
court
upheld
I
when
I
was
taking
my
professional
plenty.
L
Exam
I
remembered
that
one,
because
the
panacek
I
had
a
check
before
I
got
annexed.
It's
the
guys
name,
but
that's
how
I
remember
again:
the
courts
upheld
it.
They
wouldn't
probably
wind
up,
hold
it
today
with
the
changes
of
the
laws,
but
it
stems
from
the
early
belief
that
the
cities
again,
if
they
have
reason
the
purposes
they've
got
a
basis
of
logic
behind
their
regulations
than
the
cities
should
be
able
to
regulate
their
own
New
York
was
the
first
city
to
adopt
a
zoning
ordinance
in
1916
in
1926.
L
This
was
where
the
village
of
Euclid
they
had
sown
some
property
such
that
they
were.
You
afraid
that
industrial
encroachment
was
going
to
impact
the
residential
neighborhoods.
The
soldiery
said
we
want
this
area
residential,
this
area
for
industrial
and
the
developer.
We
didn't
like
that,
and
so
he
sued
the
city.
The
city
basically
said
this
is
the
land
uses
we
want.
This
is
the
type
of
development,
not
the
type,
but
the
square
footage.
L
The
frontage
requirements,
the
property
sizes
that
we
want,
and
the
village
of
Euclid
that
court
case
along
basically
set
the
stage
for
much
of
the
zoning
that's
in
place
today
across
the
nation.
This
idea
of
the
Pope
these
uses
here
the
juice
is
here
and
they
may
actually
call
it
Euclidean
zoning
in
academia.
Because
of
that,
aside
from
the
regulation
of
land
uses,
you
then
started
getting
into
people
saying
that
the
zoning
was
more
an
infringement
not
upon
their
ability
to
use
their
property
but
their
freedoms
of
speech,
and
you
had
Renton
versus
playtime
theaters.
L
It
was
an
adult
business
that
was
basically
zoned
out
of
the
area
they
came
in.
They
want
to
operate
in
the
city
said
no
we're
not
going
to
allow
an
adult
business
in
this
commercial
area
and
they
were
sued.
The
city
had
a
basis
of
argument.
They
had
studies
that
show
the
potential
negative
impacts
from
adult
businesses,
the
community,
the
children,
Jason
property
values
and
the
court
basically
said.
L
You've
got
a
logical
framework
again
and
studies
to
support
your
decision
and,
as
such,
you
would
be
able
to
regulate
these,
even
though
it
is
a
someone's
argument,
an
infringement
upon
their
freedom
of
speech,
the
employees
and
the
employer
felt
that
they
had
the
ability
they
should
have
been
ready
to
express
themselves
in
any
way
they
wanted
in
their
own
place
of
business.
Even
though
it
was
adult
they
should
be
able
to
do
that
as
a
freedom
of
speech.
B
He
went
through
that
some
time
earlier
than
86,
probably
in
the
late
60s
very
early
70s,
they
said,
okay,
we
can't
ban
it
altogether,
but
we
can
sure
it's
that
container
and
they
took
one
little
piece
of
the
theater
district
and
said:
okay.
This
is
your
playground,
you're
not
going
anyplace
else,
and
they
got
away
with
it
and
and
eventually
the
businesses
all
by
their
own
natural
way
and.
L
That's
another
element
of
that
is
they
eat
it's
a
day.
The
cities
can't
totally
ban
them
from
your
city.
You
have
to
allow
a
district
or
an
area
where
they
can
have
that
freedom
of
expression,
but
you
can
certainly
put
in
caveats
or
limiting
factors
that
you
can't
be
within
so
many
feet
of
schools
or
churches.
Other
things
like
that.
Okay,
then
you
get
into
the
takings
issues
of
when
cities
impose
zoning
of
actually
taking
away
a
property
right.
J
L
Versus
South
Carolina,
gentlemen,
we
purchased
two
pieces
of
property
beachfront
property
when
he
purchased
that
he
could
build
a
house
on
both
pieces,
and
then
the
state
adopted
a
regulation
for
shoreline
zoning
that
effectively
took
away
his
ability
to
build
on
the
rocks.
So
he
sued
that
you
took
the
way
my
property
I
should
be
compensated.
The
Supreme
Court
said
no.
There
is
again
a
nexus
between
what
they're
trying
to
accomplish
and
what
you,
what
you're
saying
you
want
to
do,
there's
a
basis
for
it.
L
Plus
this
the
government
has
not
taken
your
property
front
of
you.
You
still
have
beneficial
use
of
that
property,
and
that
term
comes
up
a
lot
beneficial
use.
They
could
still
go
to
the
beach.
They
can
still
use
their
property
for
parties
for
whatever
for
camping.
Their
property
is
not
taken
by
the
government,
and
so
at
that
point
the
court
said
you're
not
doing
compensation.
L
So
again,
that's
it's
changing
a
little
bit,
in
fact
in
Dolan
versus
the
city
of
Teager.
This
was
a
court
case
out
of
Oregon.
The
city
said:
yes,
we
can
see.
You
want
to
redevelop
your
commercial
property.
We
want.
You
to
expand
now
and
by
the
way,
we
think
that
we
want
you
to
put
a
walking
path
in
all
inside
your
property
along
a
creek
bed,
and
you
go
ahead
and
put
that
in
and
improve
it
with
a
pathway
and
then
turn
it
over
to
the
city.
L
Or
the
owner
of
the
business
didn't
think
I
was
been
reasonable.
Their
expansion
of
their
business
had
nothing
to
do
with
why
this
he
was
already
there
coming
in
and
saying
they
had
to
dedicate
this
pathway
and
build
this
pathway
from
the
city.
So
it
made
it
all
the
way
through
the
lower
courts
in
the
city's
favor,
not
the
Supreme
Court
and
they
said
well
we're
gonna
find
in
favor
of
the
business
owner.
L
You
know
a
lot
that
personal
behind
there
says
that
you're
gonna
be
looking
in
their
backyard,
and
so
we
want
you
to
put
up
a
fence
plus
a
hedgerow,
Plus
night
light
screening.
You
know
there
there
needs
to
be
a
reasonable
nexus
between
the
requirement,
and
you
can't
just
say
we
need
you
to
provide
a
hole
in
the
house
for
that
person.
You
wouldn't
I
know.
B
L
Well,
they,
the
core
basically
said
there
has
to
be
a
connection
between
your
requirement
and
and
the
reasonable
purposes
of
the
city,
and
also
it
has
to
be
relative
to
the
impacts.
So
in
the
case
of
the
walking
path
here,
the
court
said.
Yes,
we
can
see
the
reasonable
nexus
between
what
you're
trying
to
accomplish
and
why
you're
requiring
it,
but
the
impacts
that
the
business
is
bringing
may
only
you.
L
You'll
see
this
where
a
new
development
might
be
coming
in
and
the
city
will
say
you
know
you're
putting
ten
houses
in
you
know
our
street
needs
to
be
widened,
and
so,
in
order
to
approve
your
ten
houses,
we
need
you
to
widen
that
street
between
you
know
for
a
quarter
mile.
Well,
ten
houses
maybe
puts
and
a
hundred
trips
on
the
road
during
the
day.
100
trips
on
the
road
is
very
minimal
as
far
as
requiring
additional
winding
roads,
and
so
somebody
could
say
my
mind
Nexus
or
light
impacts
with
this
development.
L
Some
cities
were
saying
that,
because
you're
a
church
we're
going
to
regulate
you
a
little
bit
differently
than
other
non-residential
uses
and
the
court
said
you
can't
do
that.
Do
you
need
to
treat
them
the
same
as
you
would
a
enormous
event
release
an
office
building,
a
retail
establishment
and
so
you're
gonna
look
at
what's
the
anticipated
traffic
they're
gonna
bring
what's
the
anticipated
noise
most
anticipated
whatever,
and
you
need
to
treat
them
fairly
or
similarly
to
commercial
establishments.
L
For
instance,
if
a
church
wanted
to
illuminate
their
religious
symbol
at
night-
and
it
was
part
of
their
worship
services
to
turn
that
on
after
each
of
their
evening,
services-
and
that
was
a
part
of
their
worship.
But
the
city
has
a
light
regulation
that
says
no
lights
shining
up
into
the
night
sky
after
a
certain
hour,
and
they
could
argue
well,
that's
an
infringement
upon
our
worship
and
the
city
may
have
to
in
a
sense
waive
that
requirement.
L
They're
religious
services,
so
something
to
be
mindful
they're,
one
of
the
most
recent
landmark
cases
was
kilo
versus
the
city
of
New
London.
This
was
done
in
New
York
as
well.
What
had
happened
here
was
a
developer
came
in
and
said
he
was
going
to
redevelop
an
area
and
the
city
was
all
in
favor
with
it
all
on
board
with
it,
and
it
got
down
to
the
developer
moving
forward
and
he
finally
said
I
can't
do
it,
but
I'm
just
going
to
sit
on
my
property
as
an
investment
property.
The
city
said,
and
it
sighs.
L
No,
we
we
want
to
see
the
sorry
redevelop.
We
want
to
see
this
thing
come
to
fruition,
it's
going
to
be
a
benefit
to
the
city,
to
the
community
as
a
whole
for
lots
of
reasons
and
the
city
when
used
its
condemnation
or
eminent
domain
abilities
and
acquired
that
property
and
then
turned
around
and
sold
it
to
another
private
developer
that
have
the
wherewithal
and
the
funds
to
actually
make
the
development
happen.
L
So
long
as
the
has
been
admit
now
that
Court
case
sent
a
grassfire
across
the
nation
of
people,
saying
that's
a
little
too
liberal,
we
don't
think
government
should
be
using
condemnation
power
for
economic
development,
but
let
developers
going
to
do
that.
Let
developers
be
the
hands
that
do
that.
So
a
lot
of
states
amended
their
constitutions
to
not
allow
cities
to
do
this
to
use
domain
recon
with
the
normal
purposes.
L
Unless
there
was
provisions
in
there,
some
states
have
it
that
if
it's
to
remove
light
source
loans,
then
they
can
use
eminent
domain
and
see
redevelopment
occur,
but
they
tightened
up
those
regulations
kind
of
debt.
So
again
as
we
as
we
look
at
the
rezoning,
you
have
the
Euclidian
zoning,
which
looks
at
the
land,
use,
density,
building,
location
sizes,
densities
of
her
intensities
of
uses,
development
regulations.
Look
at
the
subdivision,
design,
there's
plans,
you
know
and
residential
developments.
L
You
guys
understand
those
terms
of
her
close
terms
before
some
of
you,
so
these
may
be
some
training
opportunities
for
the
future
to
go
through.
Maybe
some
of
these
individually
and
talk
about
them.
Transferring
of
development
rights
is
kind
of
a
hybrid
of
the
Planned
Unit
development
course.
We
talked
about
open
space
requirements
tonight.
My
concern
with
the
way
the
regulations
are
right.
Now
you
you're
just
saying:
are
they
providing
open
space?
L
Well,
your
yes
or
no
tonight
was
pretty
simple
because,
yes,
there's
lots
of
open
space
there,
but
there
really
needs
to
be
a
percentage
factor
or
some
kind
of
set
criteria
in
the
ordinance
that
you're
weighing
in
against
it.
Shouldn't
just
be
an
arbitrary
yeah
that
looks
good,
but
the
same
thing
with
parking
standards,
landscaping
standards.
Cities
are
beginning
to
use
architectural
standards
now
for
for
non-residential
buildings
and
putting
either
on
Main
Street
or
off
Main
Street,
depending
on
whether
lighting
standards,
cultural
and
environmental
preservation
standards.
L
And
then
we
have
our
uniform
or
international
building
codes.
New
bank
international
fire
codes,
probably
maintenance
codes
and
any
federal
requirements
that
you
hand
them
down
to
us.
The
Americans
with
Disabilities
Act,
Federal,
Fair,
Housing
Act,
all
of
those
play
into
the
regulations
that
get
adopted
or
reviewed
by
you
and
sent
up
to
the
City
Council
another
realm
of
zoning
regulation
that
kind
of
bundles
all
of
those
things
together.
F
L
L
You
can
see
an
element
of
Euclidean
zoning
in
here.
Excuse
me
in
that
your
powers
owns
and
the
idea
being
here
that
your
zones
may
not
necessarily
be
so
concerned
about
the
land
uses
themselves,
but
the
impacts
that
are
being
generated
so
in
a
natural
zone
they're
not
so
concerned
about
the
lot
sizes
or
the
acreage.
The
is
it
farming.
Is
it
industrialism?
Whatever?
Are
you
saying
that
this
natural
zone,
as
long
as
it
looks
this
way,
smells
this
way?
It
sounds
this
way
it
can
happen.
L
Where
you
say
well,
you
can
do
single
family
there,
you
can
do
packaging
plants
there,
you
can
do
agriculture
there
in
order
other
things
and
then
the
idea
being
that,
as
you
get
into
more
of
your
urban
area,
that
again
and
also
concerned
about
the
land
uses
themselves,
but
as
new
development
comes
in,
doesn't
look
the
way
we
want
to
look.
It's
not
criteria.
Does
it.
L
You
know
on
Main,
Street
I
was
involved
with
two
different
cities
and
helping
them
to
develop
their
architectural
standards
for
certain
areas
of
their
towns
and
in
one
community
they
said
you
know
we
lost
all
of
the
two-story,
a
turn-of-the-century
buildings.
We
had
downtown
and
develop
that
comes
in.
You
want
to
look
that
way,
and
so
we
went
during
they
drafted
standards
to
say
no
development.
L
L
J
L
It
became
more
of
this
form
based
zone.
If
it
looks
this
way,
talks
that
way
we're
things
that,
even
though
there
may
be
more
impacts
or
whatever
so
there
are,
there
are
many
communities
that
are
going
to
form
based
codes
completely.
It's
it's
not
a
complete
hallway
from
Euclidian
zoning.
There's
still,
some
general
uses
guidelines
that
you're
going
to
have
in
place,
but
this
is
kind
of
the
the
buzz
in
the
planning.
Realm
is
going
to
these
form
based
colors
and
really.
L
L
So
that's
a
little
more,
there
hasn't
been
a
lot
of
discussion
in
the
course
you
had
about
four
bases
only
and
most
of
it
would
fall
back
on.
This
is
the
these
are
the
purposes
we're
trying
to
accomplish
the
goals
and
why
we're
doing
the
things
we
are
for
the
most
part
it
stays
in
line
with
the
legal
history.
A
Want
to
belabor
this,
but
I'm
just
curious
where
deed
restrictions
fall
into
play.
Where
you
may
have.
You
know
you
have
your
zoning
which
creates
allowed
uses,
and
then
somebody
sells
a
piece
of
property
and
they
put
a
deed
restriction
in
there,
which
further
restricts
the
use
of
that
property
exactly
to
be
more
conservative
than
what
the
zoning
allowed
is.
There
ever
been
any
conflict
between
deed
restrictions
and
zoning
issue,
and
and
has
the
development
of
zoning
addressed.
L
Necessarily
you'll
have
private
developers
to
come
in
and
they
want
to.
They
have
a
vision
for
this
developer.
They
want
to
create,
they
want
all
the
homes
to
look
a
certain
way
or
the
front
doors
above
a
certain
way,
and
they
may
put
those
protective
covenants
or
deed
restrictions
in
their
development,
and
the
city
may
not
care.
This
is
a
rush.
L
L
According
to
your
vision
and
as
a
party
to
this
agreement,
you're
agreeing
to
do
all
these
things,
you
say
they're
going
to
do
and
after
the
development
started
going
in
a
city,
even
though
it's
a
private
development
agreement
and
deed
restriction,
the
city
was
still
a
partner
or
interested
party
and
seeing
that
those
things
are
enforced.
Because
of
this,
and
in
those
cases
it's
the
developer,
so
will
you
please
not
issue
a
building
permit
until
I
sign
off
on
your
architectural
standards?
L
D
She
can
run
into
that
with,
indeed
restoration
stuff,
like
that,
with
multiple
multiple
families
under
one
Welling,
you
know
what
typical
single-family
house
you
can
run
into
that
when
there's
three
families
I
said
living
under
a
roof,
but
there's
a
bead
restriction
there
there.
You
know
that
particular
government
there.
You
may
only
be
a
loved
up
to
two.
You
know
so,
there's
there's
those
other
subtle,
I.
Guess
it's
probably
the
way
to
word
it
things
that
Mela
people
will
pay
attention
to.
L
Yeah
whatever
and
that
gets
into
the
Federal
Fair
Housing
Act,
which,
if
the
city
starts
to
step
in
and
housing,
issues
like
that,
you've
really
going
to
have
a
good
basis
for
why
understanding
even
affected
somebody's
housing
situation,
maybe
even
on
the
private
side.
Somebody
starts
to
impose
some
of
those
things
they
could
be
sued
based
on
some
regulations.
G
It's
really
interesting
and
it's
just
starting
legal
issues,
I'm
just
starting
my
first
certification,
but
in
the
very
first
part
of
legal
issues.
There's
a
discussion
about
what
is
communities
or
governments
to
the
right
to
regulate
land
use
because
all
the
way
back,
Constitution
United
States,
because
not
only
allows
you
of
the
right
to
pursue
happiness
and
also
allows
mr.
right
to
provide
general
well-being
for
the
interesting
take
on
it.
And
the.
L
A
I
guess
the
only
thing
that
I
would
say
is
on
that
checklist
in
you
know
you
spoke
about
the
clear
areas
or
the
omens
open
spaces:
okay,
nose,
careful,
have
a
percentage;
I
know
that
there's
limits
on
permeable
or
non
permeable
surfaces
etc.
But
you
know
do
we?
Do
we
even
have
any
percentage
guidelines
in
our
own
documents,
our
own
ordinances,
to
define
how
much
open
space
is
enough.
A
B
B
Somebody
came
in
and
wanted
to
develop.
They
had
a
need
to
develop
the
subdivision.
You
want
to
do,
for
instance,
what
if
they
wanted
to
do
it,
what
we
used
to
be
called
cluster
zoning,
where
the
houses
and
indoor
townhouses
are
really
close
together,
but
the
rest
of
the
acreage
is
developed
for
recreation.
There's
got
to
be
some
rules
about
that.
If
we're
going
to
allow
that
to
happen,
got
decent
standards,
so
we
may
need
to
go
back
and
relook
at
that.
The
subdivision
part
of
our
proposed
zoning
law
and
make
sure
that's
covered
are.
D
A
G
There's
I
think
there's
seven
tests
that
I
can
take
the
first
one
that
I
need
to
take
right
now
is
legal
issues
that
starts
the
ball
roll.
The
rest
can
be
done
online,
so
no
online
meets
me.
I
could
do
it
from
my
house
or
from
here
so
I'm
like
I,
said
you've
gotta
schedule
a
meeting
got
something
up
for
a
job,
yeah
Dennis.
A
L
L
L
D
I
think
we're
closer
to
do
a
combination
of
having
it
all
done.
Then
we
were,
you
know
six
eight
months
ago,
just
you
know
it's
just
we've
got
some
of
those
intricacies
with
regards
to
zoning.
I
think
that
we
really
need
to
make
sure
that
we
have
nailed
down
before
you
know.
We
send
it
up
a
lot
right.
A
But
going
back
to
this
open
space,
okay
I
mean:
should
we
review
what
we've
got
and
I
don't
want
to.
You
know
more
educated
fact
with
more
education,
simultaneous,
because
what
we've
approved
we
never
prove
anything
well.
What
we've
done
has
been
based
on
just
common
sense,
not
necessarily
percentages
or
guidelines
or
or
historical
understanding
of
things.
I
mean
what
is
your
recommendation
to
us
in
Hubli.
C
Got
to
be
another
community
about
the
same
size
as
care
who
the
same
rural
care,
they're,
saying
economic
bounciness,
that's
in
a
way,
more
litigious
area
of
the
country
that
would
have
rules
that
have
been
letting
litigated
so
frequently
that
they
would
have
criteria
already
set
up
for
each
one
of
those
that
we
could
steal
and
then
build
off
of
it
really.
So
we're
not
sitting
here
guessing
what
you
know:
how
to
evaluate
open
space.
B
G
D
Maybe
maybe
we
should
plan
for
our
next
meeting
just
to
look
at
where
we're
at
with
regards
to
chapter
13
and
see
if
we
want
to
dissect
it
and
send
up
a
section
out
of
time
like
that,
as
I
said,
they'll
focus
on
the
primary
sections
that
are
going
to
provide
I,
guess
the
most
meat
for
us
to
be
able
to
work
with
and
get
those
taken
care
of.
First,
you
know
what
helped
if
you.