►
From YouTube: September 10, 2020 Planning Board Meeting
Description
No description was provided for this meeting.
If this is YOUR meeting, an easy way to fix this is to add a description to your video, wherever mtngs.io found it (probably YouTube).
A
Call
the
meeting
to
order
and
the
first
order
of
business
normally
would
be
last
month's
minutes,
but
I'm
going
to
take
a
couple
of
minutes.
First,
we
had
a
bit
of
a
flap
a
while
ago
about
whether
something
was
in
the
minutes
or
not,
and
we
should
have
probably
had
a
copy
of
those
minutes
with
us,
but
we
didn't
and
we
found
out
after
the
meeting
was
over-
that,
in
fact,
the
item
that
was
alleged
not
to
be
in
the
minutes
was
in
fact
in
the
minutes.
A
The
only
problem
with
all
that
is
that
our
staffer
denise,
who
generates
the
minutes,
was
subjected
to
some
pretty
nasty
emails
from
people
who've
been
watching
on
tv,
and
they
saw
the
fact
that
something
wasn't
in
the
minutes
and
they
jumped
all
over
it
and
we
need
to
in
the
future
or
make
sure
that
that
doesn't
happen.
And
I'm
sorry
denise
that
you
went
through
all
that.
B
A
A
A
B
B
A
A
A
A
Also
in
the
packet
there's
a
something
I've
not
seen
before:
I'm
not
questioning
it,
but
someone
has
been
officially
designated
as
a
minister
in
the
church,
namely
a
medicine
man.
This
is
issued
by,
I
presume
someone
from
oh
okay,
the
minister's
council
of
the
new
haven
native
american
church,
who
is
chandler
dixon.
A
B
C
F
B
Missed
it,
so
mr
ellis
did
send
us
a
tentative
lease.
It's
not
a
signed
lease
at
this
point
because
they're
waiting
on
our
action
one
way
or
the
other,
but
they
did
they
did.
They
did
put
up
earnest
money
to
pay
for
that
consideration.
So
they
not
only
have
a
business
plan,
but
they
they
have
an
interest
in
the
property
they
put
money
down,
which
will
be
forfeit.
B
Any
phone
calls
that
he
mentioned,
I
said
yeah
earlier
we
did
field
a
couple
phone
calls
neither
expressed
an
opinion
either
for
or
against
just
informational.
Both
stated
that
they'd
be
here,
but
apparently
something
came
out.
F
G
G
As
I
mentioned
before,
it
would
be
like
a
doctor's
office
where
you
you
can
go
into
the
waiting
area.
You
have
to
have
a
car,
they
have
a
driver's
license
before
you
can
go
into
the
second
area
where
you
can
purchase
places.
G
A
I
F
The
one
meeting
I
I
did.
B
Offer
it
up
on
the
site,
design
review
form
so
that
we
have
something
to
look
at
for
our
review
yep,
also
I'll
apologize
for
the
typo
right
on
the
fir
first
page
and
the
spelt
medical.
Oh
well,.
C
Is
is
aunt
maggie's
farm
medical
marijuana
is
that
a
registered
entity
in
maine.
G
C
Well,
there's
really
nothing
in
the
comprehensive
plan,
there's
nothing
in
the
use
tables
that
covers
this.
That's
true,
so
the
closest
thing
that
I
saw
was
a
hospital
or
clinic.
A
J
A
A
A
A
A
G
G
A
G
G
Most
of
the
panels
are
empties,
but
I
was
there
just
now
and
a
couple
haven't
had
something
in
there.
We
can
use
one
of
those
because
that'll
attract
people
from
the
moment
also
to
be
visible.
G
A
A
A
C
Mr
chairman,
I
move
that
the
board
approve
the
use
plan
permit
application
as
submitted
I'll.
Second,
though,.
B
B
B
A
Well,
let's,
for
now
continue
down
the
road
we're
going
my
opinion,
I
don't
know
where
the
police
chief
is
coming
from
on
that
it
may
be
something
that
he
would
like
to
seek,
but
he'll
need
to
get
it
put
into
code.
Okay,.
I
B
A
A
E
A
B
So
so
again,
we're
in
this
gray
area,
the
the
city
of
caribou
has
not
opted
into
the
state
of
maine
medical
marijuana
statute.
It
was
an
opt-in
type
situation,
so
we
really
have
no
no
tools
for
us
to
regulate
this
new
industry,
and
we
set
that
aside,
because
we're
talking
about
medical
marijuana
which
by
state
statute,
is
allowed
so
we're
we're
in
this
gray
area.
B
A
E
F
E
C
Well
in
our
and
our
answer
would
be,
we
could
have
interpreted
it
even
less
stringently
and
had
the
ceo
approve
it
outright.
F
A
I
A
A
This
is
a
one-time
review
for
kyle
anderson,
who
wants
to
open
a
small
engine
repair
job
shop.
Excuse
me
on
the
west
presque
isle
road,
and
we
have
a
packet
that
refers
to
that.
A
K
K
A
B
Apparently
it
is
for
us
too,
so
mr
anderson
is
going
to
do
small
injury
or
proposals
do
small
engine
repair
as
a
home
occupation
until
such
a
time
that
it
might
support
him
wholly
he'll,
continue
with
his
regular
job
and
tell
us
until
that
time.
B
C
K
Is
a
few
55-gallon
barrels
and
what
happens
is
where
I
work
bouliers
and
even
marcorvo
down
the
road.
They
burn
this
oil
in
their
waste
oil
furnaces.
So
what
I
did
was
just
it's
pretty
much.
What
I
work
with
is
oil
and
gasoline
certain
cleaners.
You
know
I
mean
carb,
cleaner
here
and
there's
some
aerosols
that
are
all
condensed
into
this
one,
pile
that
can
be
mixed
and
burned
into
these
waste
oil.
Furnaces.
C
C
The
only
other
question
I
had
was:
do
you:
do
you
expect
to
have
vehicles
or
appliances
parked
out
front?
Are
you
going
to
store
all
of
your
small
engine
appliances
inside.
K
B
B
K
Yeah
yeah,
basically
it's
word
of
mouth
and
I've
been
getting
phone
calls
messengers.
Can
you
do
this?
Can
you
do
this
as
well?
I'd
love
to,
but
you
know
just
give
me
a
little
bit.
You
know
so
we're
basically
in
testing
water
space.
Still
you
know,
but
once
it's
rocking
and
rolling
I'll
have
no
life,
but
you
know.
A
F
A
C
A
E
E
C
C
C
A
C
And
then
down
at
the
bottom,
it
talks
about
all
the
things
that
are
blank
and
I'm
just
assuming
that's
all
not
applicable.
That's
why
it's
not
filled
out
right.
C
C
C
C
And
a
complete
plan
of
set
of
plans,
graphic
scale
and
north
arrow
you've
seen
the
pictures
and
the
tax
maps.
C
C
C
K
C
Okay,
top
of
17.,
we
need
to
confirm
that
only
residents
will
be
part
of
the
home
occupation.
C
It
doesn't
occupy
more
than
50
percent
of
the
total
floor
area
or
up
to
100
percent
for
the
for
the
garage
which
you
meet,
that
no
client
or
customer
shall
be
allowed
on
the
floor
other
than
the
first
floor
ground
level,
and
you
only
have
one
floor
in
that
building.
Right,
noise
vibration,
smoke
dust
electrical
disturbance,
other
nuisances
are
not
permitted,
it
doesn't
look
like
you,
have
anybody
real
close
to
you
and
for
what
you'll
be
doing,
there's
not
a
lot
of
heavy
equipment
operating.
So
I
think
that's
good.
Just
anybody
speak
up.
C
C
H
K
Or
something
like
that,
she's
introduced
herself
to
me.
I've
been
on
the
premises
for
a
couple
months
now,
but
I've
mentioned
it
to
her
as
well.
She
says
I
actually
shouldn't
they
shouldn't
give
you
a
problem
in
the
trippy
commercial,
because
mark
corbin
will
have
the
room
blah
blah
blah
she's.
Never
I
run
the
compressor.
E
K
A
A
K
A
A
K
F
G
B
I'll
give
you
a
call
we'll
make
sure
that
yours
is
signed
yeah,
make
sure
that
you
paid.
G
A
A
Does
anyone
on
the
board
need
a
refresher
what's
going
on
here.
B
A
E
J
He
did,
I
didn't
put
it
in
the
town
or
the
city
right
away
on
dow
siding.
So
realistically
I
put
that
culvert
in
there,
but
he
said
and
he's
right
that
I
didn't
really
need
to
pull
one.
J
E
C
K
B
That
that's
for
information
that
they
came
across
the
manager's
desk.
He
thought
it
was
timely
information.
So,
as
we
go
forward,
we
we
fully
expect
this
industry
will
grow
somewhat
when
they're.
J
J
I
think
there'll
be
more
solar,
but
a
lot
of
it
is
dependent
on
not
necessarily
the
off
tank,
which
is
the
subscribers
that
utilize
it.
But
it's
the
the
capacity
in
the
the
subsystems.
J
So
a
lot
of
these
projects
and
there's
being
a
huge
uptick
in
in
developers
heading
north,
because
the
central
maine
power
district
and
the
emira
bangor
hydra
district
are
starting
to
be
tapped
out,
so
subs
are
just
going
to
full
capacity.
J
J
I
J
J
They
push
back
on
the
puc
because
they
didn't
want.
They
were
saying
that
they
were
going
to
be
overloaded
with
billing,
so
each
facility
can
have
something
called
only
10
meters
is
the
cap.
So
really
it's
9
meters,
plus
the
generator.
So
until
that
cap
is
lifted,
there's
only
so
much
that
a
developer
can
do
so.
C
J
J
C
J
F
J
To
the
west
caribou
sub,
but
it's
gonna
go
into
three
phase,
which
is
over
there's
a
guy
with
a
firewood
processing
business
across
the
street
yeah.
But
this
is
this
is
n-max.
This
is
amir's
line.
So
all
I
have
to
worry
about
is
my
coupling
point
at
the
end
of
my
right-of-way
onto
downside
and
then
from
there.
They
take
it
from
there.
J
They
could
do
an
overhead
rebuild,
it
all
depends.
They
present
me
with
cost
estimates
and
that's
what
the
system
impact
studies
for
which
I'm
which
I'm
doing
right
now.
So
that's
a
47
000
study
just
to
yeah
just
to
show
what
the
upgrades
are
going
to
be
to
tap
into
the
three
phase
and
to
make
sure
that
the
sub
can
take
it.
J
Yes,
and
no
I
mean
what
it's
rated
for
is
4.95
ac
and
then
that
translates
into
a
little
bit
over
6
dc.
So
it's
whatever
you
know
it's
whatever
the
output
is.
You
know,
there's
inverters
and
stuff
that
that
work
to
control
the
the
system,
but
it's
you
know
the
the
independent
system
operator
is
the
aroustics
version
of
the
iso
new
england,
so
they
they're
the
ones
that
really
control
the
the
flow
of
the
electrons.
Okay,
so
they're,
the
ones
that
really
oversee
the
operation
of
the
the
power
going
into
the
grid.
J
I
J
Yeah
yeah,
you
can
do
that.
I
I
mean
it's
all
dependent
on,
like
I
said,
new
brunswick
power
puts
a
lot
of
power
into
the
grid,
so
it's
all
whatever
the
system
the
independent
system
operator
decides
and
that's
why
they're
independent
so
they're
not
taking
any
sides
of
the
power
producers,
so
they
they
pretty
much
operate
it
at
their.
J
J
J
So
I
mean
it's,
it's
a
I
mean,
there's
it's
there's
a
lot
to
it.
So
it's
just
you
know
a
lot.
J
Yeah
yeah
yeah,
but
at
least
we've
come
this
far.
I
mean
we
could
be
back
three
years
ago,
which
was
not
good,
so
the
cat
or
the
limit
back
then
was
660
kw
and
now
they
brought
it
up
to
5
megawatts.
So
I
mean
that's,
that's
huge!
That's
a
big
shift!
Oh
yeah,
that's
huge!
I
mean
it
makes
it
worthwhile
for
developers
to
pursue
these
projects.
B
J
I
A
Yeah:
okay:
let's
move
this
process
along
a
little
bit.
If
we
can,
anyone
want
to
volunteer
to
go
down
through
the
list
christine.
B
E
Okay,
so
for
the
final
site,
design
review
criteria
by
our
planning
board
does
this
project
conform
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
A
E
H
A
Not
applicable
it's
either
yes
or
not,
applicable.
I
don't
care
which
we
pick.
E
E
E
E
E
E
He
had
you
have
dp
study
there.
Well.
A
E
No
yeah,
we'll
just
put
not
applicable
or.
E
Right:
let's
go
yes,
stormwater
management
that.
F
A
I
F
A
A
J
J
I
A
A
A
C
C
B
I
C
D
E
C
A
B
The
on
your
ceo
review,
our
findings
from
the
last
meeting
are
in
black.
C
E
H
B
C
Yeah
are
those
still
all
not
complete.
B
F
B
F
D
That's
all
done
by
the
state:
that's
state
approved
they
own,
they
own
the
right-of-way
all
the
way
down
through
there,
they
own
that
actually
they're
taking
up
8.8
acres.
E
But
as
far
as
the
site
plan,
your
your
driveway
needs
to
have
these
certain
dimensions.
E
F
D
C
C
Can,
or
are
we
looking
for
something
more
actually
at
the
building
law.
F
F
D
There's
a
driveway
that
goes
all
the
way
back
to
there.
This
is
all
gravel.
This
is
all
gravel
okay,
and
this
is
all
ground
15
feet
around
the
building,
the
building
pad.
That's.
E
D
D
F
D
I
D
C
F
C
C
E
E
E
E
D
D
F
D
It's
it's
been
dug,
but
there's
nobody's
using
it.
A
I
All
right,
page
39.,
yes,
sir
final
site,
design,
review
criteria.
I
E
E
I
B
E
E
That's
that's!
That's
part
of
the
the
cost
of
entering
to
that
business
is
having
a
having
a
scale
drawing
and
surveyed
that
accurately
represents
what
that
what
that
is,
with
the
dimensions
properly
represented.
C
Add
to
that
and
it's
it's
really
for
the
it's
re,
it's
really
for
the
benefit
of
the
people
of
the
city,
because
we
have
to
have
an
accurate
record
of
what's
being
built
and
what's
going
in
there
if
you
have
inaccuracies
if
you've
got
ambiguities
in
your
drawings
and
then
somebody
comes
to
you
and
says:
well,
you
know
you
can't
do
this.
You
shouldn't
be
doing
this,
you
say
well,
my
permit
was
approved,
but
it
was
approved
on
an
ambiguous,
drawing
or
something
that
wasn't
really
accurate.
It
just
opens
up
a
whole
can
of
worms.
E
A
A
F
C
A
I
A
A
F
D
I
I
Well,
happy
with
a
yes
on
that.
Yes,
storm
water
management.
I
I
I
So
that's
how
yay
advertising
features
is
doesn't
really
apply,
but
we
got
that
as
a
no
I'm.
Okay
with
that,
you
all
are.
F
I
C
Did
you
see,
did
you
say
n
a
on
utilities
yeah
or
did
you
say
yes.
C
I
C
So
one
thing
that
I
just
learned
going
through
this
is
that
there
is
going
to
be
exterior
lighting.
D
F
A
C
F
A
E
Doing
a
housing
development
it
can
be
a
contingency
on
us
improv
approving
the
application
condition.
E
A
F
E
A
E
E
Now
I
would
like
to
make
my
motion
for
a
for
mr
tingly
to
present
a
more
formal
storm:
water
management,
erosion,
sedimentation
control,
finish,
grading
plan,
site
improvement,
detail
and
you
know
vehicle
circulation
and
driveway
dimensions.
You're.
E
E
D
C
D
D
D
I
E
A
more
formal
dimensional
plan
and
storm
water
plan,
you
know
presented
to
the
board
to
be
contingent
upon
the
approval
of
that
who
will
be
contingent
upon
presentation
of
that
information.
So.
C
I
D
C
C
F
E
D
I
Can
go
ahead,
which,
okay,
I
say,
is
there
a
way
we
can
do
this,
so
we
don't
hold
them
up
because
we
are
playing
with
the
weather
at
this
point-
and
I
don't
want
to-
I
understand
the
merits
of
doing
that,
and
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
that.
Is
there
any
way
that
we
as
a
board
can
give
kenneth
the
oversight
to
manage
this
while
he
pours
his
slabs
and
gets
going.
F
C
H
E
C
B
May
be
able
to
do
that
by
spec.
There
are
details
regarding
cell
fencing,
for
instance,
so
it's
indicated
on
a
map
already,
so
you
just
have
a
detailed
sheet.
C
H
F
E
A
D
D
D
F
A
A
E
C
C
E
F
A
B
A
I
B
C
I
With
our.
A
E
C
A
A
I
E
B
B
Very
good,
and
so
mr
chair
for
new
communications,
it's
been
rapid
fire
all
week
for
a
short
week.
It's
been
busy.
B
Yesterday
we
received
request
for
a
daycare,
so
the
where
or
jordan's
daycare
used
to
be
on
sweden,
road,
the
old
harvard's
building.
She
would
like
to
go
into
there.
She
hasn't
got
her
license
yet,
but
she
she
wants
to
get
in
order
to
get.
B
New
business,
so
just
today
we
got
a
request:
a
building
permit
request
for
a
telecommunications
tower
like
we've
done
in
the
past.
This
one
would
be
the
one
off
the
end
of
peer
snow
drive.
B
Yeah
adding
new
equipment.
We
received
a
letter
today
and
I
really
kicked
myself
for
not
getting
it
in
front
of
you
this
evening.
Both
denise
and
I
work
great
right
up
until
the
final
bell
today
from
mark
kelly,
31
herschel
street,
regarding
a
possible
rezoning
of
his
property
he's
requesting
it
formally.
A
I
B
And
so
initially,
he
thought
what
he
wanted
to
do.
He's
always
had
a
plan
to
to
develop
the
buildings
on
his
rear
lot
right
here
off
of
main
street
at
hand
street.
Now
he
still
thinks
that
he'd
benefit
from
re-zoning
that
but
he's
he's
more
out
to
be
selling
the
properties
for
someone
else
to
develop.
At
this
point,.
F
C
So
how
will
that
hold
that
whole?
How
will
that
whole
process
work
out.
C
K
B
B
That's
not
what
our
zoning
says.
Currently,
if
you're
in
a
c100,
you
cannot
do
those
ground
floor,
residential
applications.
B
A
B
B
A
B
C
A
C
A
C
B
So
when
I
can
run
down
through
our
staff
report,
really
quick
blight
initiative
and
demolition,
we
were
able
to
complete
our
existing
list
of
demolitions.
B
D
B
A
B
B
B
However,
the
other
areas
where
that
were
identified
as
concern
were
dump
areas
we
were
able
to
investigate
paw
around
in
those
in
those
piles
and
see
what
kind
of
debris
was
in
there,
and
we
found
that
for
the
most
part,
except
for
a
very
little
bit
of
asbestos
that
was
found
that
there's
no
further
contamination,
so
there
were
some
limits
to
some
contaminants
within
the
soil
itself.
I
B
B
B
So
the
the
first
summons
went
to
the
person
that
actually
answered
the
door
when
we
went
to
serve
the
north
violation
so
that
court
date's
on
the
first
we'll
see
what
the
judge
says.
B
So
the
569
van
bjorn
wrote
so
we
we
talked
a
lot
about
mr
duplicy
and
and
his
use
permit
for
for
his
automotive
repair.
His
neighbor
next
door
is
part
of
all
this
fracas
and
finger-pointing
between
neighbors.
It
turned
out
that
we
identified
mr
chapman
as
next-door
neighbor
as
having
an
illegal
septic
system.
B
B
Fixed,
so
that's
good,
that's
all
good
small
community
grants.
Finally,
we
have
full
acceptance
of
our
our
projects
and
I've
forwarded
the
bid
packages
for
state
approval,
so
there's
still
hope
of
getting
a
couple
sore
systems
done
before
the
snow.
B
A
L
L
I
I
did
have
communications
from
some
of
you
as
far
as
the
the
land
use
table,
that
that's
kind
of
the
the
apex
of
this
version
of
of
edits
and
where
you
have
hard
copies
in
front
of
you
tonight,
I
guess
I
would
like
to
encourage
you
if
you
can
take
a
few
minutes
and
go
through
that
document,
and
the
intent
is
that,
as
far
as
the
land
use
table
is
concerned,
there
are
some
squares
or
cells
that
are
yellow,
and
that
means
that
the
there
is
a
either
because
of
the
new
zones
that
are
proposed
or
new
land
uses
that
are
defined
or
previously
defined,
but
not
included
in
the
table.
L
L
Some
uses
require
the
code
enforcement
officer's
administrative
approval
and
some
uses
that
require
planning
board
approval.
Under
this
draft,
the
language
is
changed
to
represent
that
it's
a
not
permitted
use
it's
a
permitted
use
which,
by
definition,
would
mean
that
it's
handled
administratively
or
it's
a
conditional
use
and
a
conditional
use.
L
It
would
mean
the
planning
board
has
to
take
a
look
at
it
and
make
sure
that
it
meets
all
of
the
conditions
or
the
conditions
are
going
to
be
put
in
place
to
limit
its
potential
impacts
in
an
area
and
if
those
conditions
are
are
reasonably
put
in
place
that
that
use
would
be
okay
in
the
zone,
but
would
require
additional
scrutiny
beyond
administrative
processes
and
so
in
the
form.
If
you
would
go
through
that
in
your
cells.
I
know.
D
L
Remember
corvo,
you
just
put
a
check
mark
in
yours.
I
assume
that
meant
permitted
and
that's
how
I
flagged
it
into
my
my
spreadsheet,
but
I
can
give
that
back
to
you.
If
you
want
to
go
through
and
mark
it
permitted
or
conditional
or
you
can
just
leave
it
the
way
it
is.
But
if
you
would
take
the
time
each
of
you
and
go
through
that
matrix
and
put
a
p
c
or
an.
D
D
L
A
L
Okay,
so
let
me
I
know,
that's
the
that's
the
big
piece
of
the
document
and
really
when
you
look
at
the
zoning
regulations
of
a
city
that
table
is
kind
of
the
main
thing
that
people
want
to
go
to.
They
want
to
see.
I
have
a
piece
of
property
it's
in
this
zone.
What
can
I
do
with
the
property,
or
I
have
a
use
that
I
would
like
to
do?
L
When
somebody
comes
to
the
city
or
somebody's
looking
for
development
potential
of
the
properties
beyond
the
land
use
table,
that's
when
you
start
to
get
into
more
of
the
nuts
and
the
bolts.
As
far
as
the
body
of
the
text,
and
in
this
section
that
I've
sent
over
to
you,
there
is
still
some
administrative
elements.
L
A
F
L
L
L
There's
there
are
things
that
we
can
and
cannot
regulate
with
regards
to
signs,
and
even
as
something
simple
as
saying
that
you
need
to
have
exit
signs
on
your
property,
the
courts
have
said
you
can't
specify
the
language
on
signs
anymore,
and
so
it
it
makes
it
so
that
it
creates
some
interesting
language
that
cities
can
still
put
into
their
sign
regulations.
But
definitions
is
just
part
of
that
process
of
calling
out
the
different
types
of
signs.
L
H
L
So
again,
there's
some
things
we'll
need
to
look
at
as
far
as
the.
What
are
we
regulating
in
our
same
code
are,
we
are
we
regulating?
We
can
obviously
regulate
time
place
and
manner.
That's
a
judicially
recognized
regulation
methodology,
but
we'll
have
to
get
a
little
more
into
nuts
and
bolts
as
far
as
some
of
the
other
things.
L
F
C
In
summary,
it
already
says
that
and
yeah
it's
still
still,
we
get
plans
that
come
in
that
aren't
complete
and
so
bob,
and
I
were
talking
about
maybe
figuring
out
whether
we
can
put
an
exemplar
like
a
sample
for
the
public
to
be
able
to
look
at
and
say
well:
okay,
buy
a
site
by
dimensional
drawing
we
mean
this
and
give
an
example
of
it.
So
people
can
get
in
their
heads
exactly
what
we,
because
the
words
you
know
right.
You
can
explain
it
in
words,
but
a
picture
would
really
help.
L
L
Well,
my
recommendation
is
that
those
elements
don't
they're,
not
codified
in
your
ordinance,
but
they
become
a
matter
of
the
application
form
itself
and
we
can
approve,
or
we
can
have
the
planning
board
approve
the
application
forms
if
you
want
to
look
at
them.
But
if
it's
not
in
the
ordinance-
and
something
comes
up
that
we
think
oh,
we
really
need
those
on
the
forms
we.
L
C
So
maybe
you
can
back
up
and
start
again
on
that
I
didn't
catch
it
all.
I
was
following
and
I
was
liking
what
you
were
saying,
but
then
I
got
lost
so
we
have
we've
had
several
times
almost
every
meeting.
Now
we
have
a
dust
up
over.
Why
are
we
talking
about
this?
Why
are
we
considering
it,
because
these
application
forms
are
so
huge
and
maybe
tilted
more
toward
large
large
developments,
multi-million
dollar
developments,
whereas
the
kite
coming
in
for
a
storage
thing
50k
or
whatever?
Maybe
the
requirement
shouldn't
be
as
as
high?
C
L
But
you're
right
as
far
as
a
review
process,
that
something
else
is
that
we
want
to
make
sure
or
clean
up
a
little
bit
make
a
little
more
business
friendly
development
friendly
as
our
review
processes.
Please,
if
it's
something
that's
a
3,
000
square
foot
storage
shed
building
like
the
one
tonight,
you
have
a
process
and
standards
that
apply
to
a
minor
development,
minor
commercial
development
and
the
the
design
standards.
The
review
process
would
be
say,
administrative.
L
Does
it
meet
the
setbacks?
Does
it
have
the
the
drainage
in
place?
It's
a
very
minor
thing:
it's
permitted
in
the
zone
already
it
complies
with
the
standards
we
just
approve
it
administratively.
It
doesn't
wouldn't
have
to
come
to
the
planning
board.
But
if
it's
something
that's
much
larger,
you
know
brand
new
commercial
center.
It's
going
to
impact
neighbors!
It's
going
to
do
these
other
things
that
that
might
have
a
different
process.
C
A
C
L
And
that's
an
argument
for
keeping
it
in
there,
but
they're
again,
it's
it's
that
balance
between
the
ordinance
says
you
have
to
have
a
storm
drain
master
plan
or
a
storm
drain
plan.
Right
now
the
application
form
would
say
your
storm
drain
plan
needs
to
include
these
details.
It's
it's
just
it's
one
way.
C
I
have
to
do
that
very
carefully
because
nothing
bothers
me
more
when
I,
when
I
up
a
portis
lake,
when
I
have
a
place
up,
there,
go
to
their
planning
board
and
they
just
make
stuff
up.
Sometimes.
L
A
Well,
I
knew
your
grandfather
when
yeah
I
knew
your
grandfather
went.
So
that's
fine.
C
L
You
know
right
now,
technically,
if
you're
going
to
modify
your
parking,
then
you
have
to
come
back
through
a
site
plan
review
process
which
requires
planning,
board,
hearings,
notices
and
all
of
that,
but
all
they're
doing
is
restriping,
maybe
their
parking
lot
and
by
our
parking
standards
they
could
get
a
couple
more
stalls
there.
They
just
haven't
had
them
so
yeah.
C
E
L
L
Just
to
read
that
a
change
in
district
boundaries,
variances
and
other
amendments
to
the
zoning
code,
so
this
is
not
just
talking
about
the
zoning
map.
It
could
also
be
the
zoning
code
itself
and
permitted
use
and
area
maps
that
violate
sound
planning
principles,
disregarding
the
general
plan
impacts
to
the
general
city
and
surrounding
properties
and
would
give
privileges
not
generally
extended
to
property.
Similarly
located
in
the
area,
usually
the
amount
of
land
involved
is
small,
limited
to
one
or
two
ownerships
and
nestled
in
areas
already
developed.
L
L
L
Well,
if
it's
in
your
general
plan
to
allow
a
certain
type
of
use
in
that
area
and
if
a
five-acre
change
in
the
zoning
would
accommodate
that,
then
it's
consistent
with
your
general
plan.
It
may
be
consistent
with
the
neighborhood
and
you
could
consider
that
and
not
be
looked
at
as
saying
that's
a
spot
zone.
L
L
A
Now
can
I
digress
for
just
a
second
it's
on
the
subject
of
subdivision
laws
in
another
state,
where
I
did
this
kind
of
work,
we
had
a
review
process.
Let's
say
a
private
individual
has
five
acres
of
land
and
he
wants
to
chop
it
up
into
five
lots
for
his
kids
and
they're
all
on
a
street
front.
There's
no
new
road.
A
Okay,
we
would
be
asked
to
rule
as
a
planning
board
that
we
are
waiving
the
state
requirements
for
subdivision
under
a
heading
called
subdivision.
Subject
not
subject
to
subdivision
rules
and,
and
that
way
it
would
it
stop
at
the
planning
board.
We
would
look
at
the
plan.
It
would
be
a
pretty
well
engineered
plan
and
surveyed
and
say:
okay,
you
don't
have
to
go
through
all
the
rigmarole
of
a
subdivision,
because
this
is
a
small
thing
is
within
the
family
or
whatever
do
we
have
a
mechanism
for
that.
L
L
L
E
B
B
A
L
The
definition
of
a
subdivision
is
extra
long
to
cover
almost
any
case
of
somebody
that
wants
to
just
carve
off
a
piece
here
and
there,
depending
on
the
size.
So
what
that
means
is
people
will
if
they
want
to
just
create
a
lot
here
or
there,
but
they
don't
want
to
have
to
put
in
the
public
infrastructure,
for
instance,
extending
the
water
lines
or
the
sewer
lines
or
adding.
F
L
Road
to
accommodate
those
lots,
then
they'll
just
say:
well,
I'm
just
going
to
do
a
little
bit
here,
I'll
wait
on
the
rest
of
it
another
one
later,
and
so
you
might
start
to
see
this
trickle
of
lots
coming
in,
but
not
getting
the
infrastructure.
In
that
you
would.
You
would
anticipate
with
development
occurring.
L
There's
new
definitions
with
regards
to
telecommunications:
we
didn't
have
some
of
those
in
place,
and
so
I've
got
those
in
there.
That's
a
pretty
tight
industry
as
well.
That
has
ramifications
for
they're
willing
to
take
you
to
task.
If
you
don't
have
some
things
cleared,
they
I
wanted
to
touch
on
one
of
these
definitions
of
tradesmen
shop
and
we
have
we
have
in
our
definition
of
manufacturing.
L
E
L
F
L
L
L
L
C
C
L
E
C
I
said
I
wonder
if
he's
even
I.
C
B
Covenants
are
an
interesting
issue
altogether,
because
we
we've
we've
discussed
this
before
when
we
did
a
home
occupation
for
the
lady
that
did
therapeutic
massage,
and
so,
when
you
reach
out-
and
you
find
a
case
law
about
covenants
well,
covenants
can
actually
last
for
non-use.
B
L
C
L
F
B
F
H
C
L
Well
in
today's
technology,
we
can
do
it
all
on
the
computer,
but
we
do
I've
drafted
this,
such
that
the
the
official
zoning
map
we
will
still
have
one
in
the
city
clerk's
office,
but
the
management
and
the
updating
of
that
map
will
be
handled
just
by
the
community
development
department
and
whatever
official
map
we
have
in
the
clerk's
office
has
to
have
the
notations
on
it.
We'll
update
it
annually
and
as
each
zoning
change
occurs
or
it
gets
approved
by
the
council
and.
L
L
L
L
L
F
L
L
L
C
L
K
B
B
F
C
Well,
a
couple
of
things
I'd
be
concerned
about
and
that's
the
special
treatment
which
just
bothers
me
and
I
mean
and
just
and
then
the
the
concept
of
creep.
If
you
start
doing
this
one-off
approvals
of
well,
let's
go
ahead
and
let
this
guy
be
do
something
commercial
in
this
residential
way.
And
then
you
start
getting
this
creep
and
now
you've
lost
control
over
your
general
plan,
little
by
little
yeah,
it's
insidious
which
isn't
a
good
thing.
So
so
over
20
years
you
look
at
the
city
and
you
say
what
have
we
done?
C
L
And
that's
the
section
that
ken's
starting
to
work
on
right
now
is
the
future
land
use
element
of
the
plan
where
you
look
at
15
20
years
out
from
now.
What
kind
of
uses
do
we
anticipate
seeing
in
these
areas
or
want
to
see
in
these
areas
and
incorporate
that
into
your
planning
document,
so
that
helps
guide
your
rezoning
decisions
moving
forward,
possibly.
F
A
A
And
that
wasn't
hard
to
do.
Oh
is
that
care
we've
seen
you
living
well.
L
L
Yep
we
have
already
in
the
code
rules
governing
interpretation
of
zone
boundaries,
and
so
I
did
add
one
into
this
where
other
uncertainties
exist.
The
zoning
administrator
or
other
authorized
officer
shall
make
recommendation
to
the
planning
board.
We
shall
interpret
the
map.
The
interpretation
shall
be
made
to
favor
the
highest
and
best
use
of
the
property
and
in
accordance
with
the
city's
adopted
general
plan.
B
L
L
The
planning
board
you
had
talked
about
having
a
mixed
use
district
and
so
the
language
that's
in
the
document
now
is,
what's
already
been
discussed
by
the
planning
board.
As
far
as
the
mixed
use
district,
the
airport
district,
the
health
related
district
and
the
the
code
refers
to.
There
is
a
place
where
we
regulate
the
runway
protection
zone,
but
we
don't
identify
that
as
a
special
overlay
zone
and
so
I've.
L
L
L
But
each
of
these
each
of
the
land
uses
that
are
now
in
the
land
use
table.
We
have
a
definition
for,
and
so,
if
you
want
to
go
back
through
the
definitions,
all
the
definitions
that
we've
sent
out.
If
there's
a
question
about
that
particular
use
in
those
zones,
I
sent
out
to
you
a
copy
of
the
last
draft
zoning
map,
which
was
discussed
by
the
planning
board.
So
you
can
see.
L
Where
did
we
anticipate
the
mixed
juice
zone
being
or
the
r2
zones
the
h
zone
and
as
you
go
through
and
you
say,
a
an
abattoir,
you
know
and
really
it
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
go
through
each
of
the
uses
again
and
if
you
think
there
are
some
changes
that
might
be
appropriate
with
the
other
uses
that
don't
have
yolo
cells.
L
L
You
know
diana
christine,
you
guys
are
a
little
bit
newer
to
and
david
to
this
process
and
certainly
if
you
go
through
the
list
of
uses
well
frank,
all
of
you
are
newbies
here
except
for
bob,
but
if
you
want
to
go
through
the
list
of
the
land
uses
and
and
say
well,
we
think
we
want
to
make
some
changes
here.
Take.
C
I
think
it's
looking
pretty
good.
Well
yeah,
I
say
you've
got
the
medical
marijuana
thing
in
there,
but
there's
there's
a
oh:
do
you
have
the?
Did?
You
make
a
new
one
for
solar
power.
L
We
renewable
energy
or
a
public
utility
is
what
I
think
we
haven't
defined
as
now.
F
I
L
C
So
that
would
be
windmills
too
right
right.
What
do
you
mean
by
renewable
aren't
trees,
renewable.
E
L
C
Yeah
well,
we'll
have
to
give
us
a
thought,
because
I
would
think
that
your
conditions
for
a
a
wind
turbine
you
know,
may
be
different
from
what
your
conditions,
the
desired
conditions
for
our
solar.
L
And
denise
made
copies
of
a
document
I
received
this
week
for
you
yeah.
F
L
So
right
now,
I've
got
the
renewable
energy
facility
is
any
facility
or
installation
such
as
a
windmill,
hydroelectric
unit
or
solar
collecting
or
concentrating
array
which
is
designed
and
intended
to
produce
energy
from
natural
forces
such
as
wind,
water,
sunlight
or
geothermal
heat,
or
from
biomass
for
off-site
use.
Such
may
be
a
public
utility
facility
or
privately
owned
and
operated
cool.
L
But
yeah
each
you
look
at
each
use
when
we
start
to
get
into
the
development
standard
side
of
things
you
can
try.
If
you
really
want
to
go
into
each
use
and
say
these
are
the
design,
standards
and
development
standards
for
each
individual
use
or
you
you
draft
them
up
broad
enough
that
they're
generally
applicable
and
you're
comfortable
with,
what's
going
to
come
out
of
it.
L
L
L
And
so
that's
another
one
of
the
things
when
you
look
at
is:
are
there
some
general
commercial
guidelines
or
stands
we
want
to
have
for
for
commercial
areas
as
far
as
setbacks,
landscaping
requirements?
Do
we
want
to
have
architectural
standards
or
not?
You
know
when
you
were
asking
tonight
about
seeing
a
building
elevation
on
that
site,
actually
cranes
a
little
bit
because
we
don't
regulate
architecture,
and
so
what
is
the
point
of
asking
for
building
elevations
yeah.
E
Could
come
in
with
the
same
type
and
scale
of
project
and
have
gone
to
a
to
an
engineer
and
have
a
nice
drawing
and
he
went
and
did
all
that
and
we
would
say
yes,
that's
that
meets,
but
then
the
next
guy
comes
in.
Without
that
and
it's
like
well,
should
we
have
said
no
or
should
we
have
said
yes
or
no.
F
C
F
C
C
A
L
F
F
L
A
I
B
B
Actually,
I
I
can't
find
myself
writing
myself
into
a
corner
and
it's
like
well,
why
isn't
this
right
and
I
couldn't
put
my
finger
right
down
on
it,
and
so
I
brought
that
up
to
the
manager
and
we
said
and
talked
about
it
so
we're
talking
about
future
land
use
plan
and
we
go
direct
directly
to
districts
and
setting
up
for
for
a
zoning
map.
Well,
we've
shot
right
past
a
whole.
The
whole
planning
process,
where
you
actually
look
at
the
land
use
and
analyze
the
land
use.
It's
not
here.
B
B
There
are
still
some
things,
some
some
outline
in
yellow
that
that
were
goals.
One
of
those
goals
would
would
be
to
combine
all
our
residential
areas
into
one.
In
our
conversation,
we
we
kind
of
thought.
Well,
no,
that's
not
a
reasonable
goal,
so
we
may
strike
that
all
together.