Carroll County, MD Board of County Commissioners Open Sessions, 30 Sep 2021

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September 30th last day of september.

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Last day of september, yeah yeah do the knuckle thing you know tomorrow is october 31 30. Tomorrow.

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At the start of the new federal fiscal year, that's right shut down for those of you that.

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Are into budgets, I don't know good. Sorry, are you sure yeah? Okay? So before we actually start.

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The real meeting: let's uh stand for the pledge of allegiance to have the opportunity for a moment of.

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The united silence of america and to the republic for which it stands.

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One nation, under god, indivisible with justice, strong.

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Okay, thank you.

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In order not to keep our good sheriff waiting too long, let's do a quick.

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Priority carol, I honestly because I I can't honor our sheriff as much as I can.

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I could care less okay, so with that tickets, commissioner, yes.

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uh Okay, good morning, yeah uh october, the first tomorrow the weather is fantastic. My public.

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Safety message is continue to be aware of your surroundings. uh It's a great time to be outside.

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So just you know be reminded of the things that come with the fall of the year too. It gets pretty.

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Cold overnight, uh did you get your corn in yet uh weaver yeah? That's just starting yeah! I know.

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That's a public safety message. There's another message: watch out for equipment on the roadways.

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Farm equipment shout out to carroll county public library for those that don't know nicholas sparks.

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He's a world-renowned author, he was sitting on the stage at westminster, high school last night,.

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And uh to soak out crowd and uh was incredibly entertaining, and uh he now uh his his book from.

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Two years ago uh will be on broadway in uh two years, so he's got movies. Broadway shows.

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This is his 23rd book, so it was an honor to have him in carroll county uh and uh what a character.

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More than you, yeah yeah he's got a little bit more money than me too. So um I got to.

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Tell you so anyway, great great great evening, a special shout out to a likely story. Bookstore.

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In sykesville who tag teams with the carroll county public library to make these things occur,.

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uh So that's a great uh a great small business down there. That's doing some wonderful things.

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Here in the county so shout out to them, um I think that's I didn't you were pnz last night, dick so.

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He took my spot there, so I don't have anything to say about that one. You can talk about that.

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A little bit, if you want and other than that, uh that's all I got. I got a wedding.

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Last night for the review of the ag districts and how they're going to handle that. I think the.

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Starts october 20th, I believe they have their group meeting to start to talk.

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About all the issues we're dealing with in agging conservation districts in the county.

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And, uh as commissioner wants alluded to, this is the time of the year. When you see a lot of.

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Equipment moving on the road, a lot of large trucks, public safety message, if you see a.

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Combine or a group of them coming down the road telling a corn head or grain head.

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They are large equipment, they have nowhere to go. You have to work with them to maneuver mailboxes.

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Telephone poles guide, wires overhead lines and everything else so just slow down work with the.

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Operator they will usually work with you to get around whatever obstacles they have to deal with.

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And here again, large trucks are on the road fully loaded. They don't stop on a dime give.

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Them some space and they, if they're making turns they take a little bit of space to.

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Do that so please just be aware and public safety. The other thing is halloween's. Coming so get ready.

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Is that a masked joke wonder if people will complain about halloween masks just asking? I.

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I don't know, are they acceptable? Are you building up to this okay? Commissioner? Frazier. Thank you.

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First, I want to mention uh westminster. Had the fall fest last weekend it was fall, fest parade.

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On thursday, it's nice to have it back after year off the parade was well attended. I also went to.

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Fall fest on saturday, whatever day was, and it was very well attended as well. I mean I was. It was.

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Very packed actually glad to see things are coming back, so that was that was great.

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um How about the group that led the parade? Do you have any comments? I was too far behind the.

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Green one they put me in the front, I couldn't see the the westminster uh municipal band, but I.

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Understand they did a fantastic job. I just wish. I was closer to a circuit here, board kind of.

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I like to go in parades and walk and parades, but if I'm closer to a band it just makes it a.

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Little better, I wasn't close enough to hear it from either side because there's another.

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Band, I understand it was back a little ways that was happening and I didn't hear them either. Yeah.

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So and I was stuck in the middle, but that's okay I'll try to get you up next year. I appreciate that.

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Try to use your influence and move me closer. That's what I need. um I was at a board of ed.

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Meeting last night and at the board vet meeting, they modified their core team for the calls and.

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That's information is going to be coming out. uh I think monday. I think it's going to be monday when.

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The information comes out exactly what they're going to do and they're working with the health.

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Department to uh make sure certain things are in place, but they're kind of making it.

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A little less stringent on the quarantine, so not as many students are missing school.

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And and that's a good thing, the kids have to be there in person.

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And it was at the queer carroll county current tech center for a tour, I'm sure my colleague who.

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Was there has pictures everything can let him go over that, but I will say that we gotta get up on.

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The second floor, and they don't have any walls or anything in and you go one in and wide open space.

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It just looks massive, it really does and I'm glad that they're on schedule, they're moving ahead and.

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The the construction, the new construction part, will be completed on time, but then the the trick.

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Is when they move uh programs from the park, that's already in there into the new park, it just takes a.

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Lot longer to do that stuff, that's why this build, I think, has taken four years will take four years.

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From start to finish, why they put the new east middle school in if everything goes according to.

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Plan it takes just two years to get that done because they don't have to worry about moving students and equipment and all the other stuff. So everything's moving ahead with that, and it looks.

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Like they answered all my questions expertly, so you know, I know that they know what they're doing.

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And I'll leave it at that. Okay- and I know um I saw I read an article in today's paper- about the.

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Quarterback meeting and I think there'll be probably a couple of articles coming out.

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With more guideline guidance- and I just cautioned folks on social media again with their opinions on.

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Some of the discussions that happened because there's a whole lot of opinions about those.

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Type of meetings I want to thank commissioner for letting me attend that meeting last night. I.

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Know it took a lot for you to hand it over to me. I appreciate it. Don't know you know nicholas sparks.

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You got the uh planning and zoning and board of ed. I think you won. I do. I think you won really again.

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Go ahead, commissioner. Bouchard. Thank you, gentlemen. Mr arnold, do you have anything that you can bring.

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Up since mr swam is out today here we go. We uh myself, commissioner frazier commissioner.

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We all attended the farm bureau picnic this past weekend. These gentlemen helped put this event.

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On when I came in, I was the first one to check in they had this real nice core chest set up a.

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Bunch of stuff in it, and I asked what the raffle was and they said seventy dollars. I said that's.

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Awful expensive raffle, but the hook was. I want to pay the 70 to become a member of the farm bureau.

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So I'm in on the raffle, which was a nice idea to get people in there and they had mission barbecue.

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We all got some mission barbecue we're big fans of that. So I expressed my sincere gratitude to these.

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Gentlemen for putting this event on and providing public awareness of the farmers in our community.

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So uh please be support, it's a really cute photo. They had a petting zoo for the kids that are.

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Setting up- and I think that's what really sums up our county- you know these events like this.

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uh Getting the next generation involved in the livestock and farming is critical, and then we.

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Did the career and technology center? First, I want to thank commissioner frazier for attending with.

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Me it was his district. I got. My passport sign was able to go. Unfortunately, they weren't pouring any.

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Concrete, I made it out there and didn't disappear, and I want to thank uh not only dr locker.

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Superintendent but uh dr eckles, the principal of the school, that's a scary photo uh ray pro pro. If.

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I get his name right he's the engineer. Look at that handsome face all the way on the right and.

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All the contractors and architects that went with us here they are, they put a lot of effort into.

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This and uh commissioner frazier and I learned that this is going to be done in several phases.

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Which makes this job tricky it's a construction site adjacent to an existing building, that's being.

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Used used by the students, so they gotta do phases next year, they'll be in. I believe it's dennis.

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Is at phase two we said: we'd come back next year for the next phase of it. So I'm sure, commissioner,.

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Frazier and I will be back for the several freight phases of this- maybe some more of her colleagues.

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And we'll take more photos and show, what's going on it's very impressive. The big open area on the.

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Left when you come in the front door, is the cafeteria? That's only my favorite place to go.

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But it's just wonderful and it was mentioned how open it is, there's so much more space. There.

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And I must say that I'm so honored as a county commissioner to be involved with this board to.

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See this take place, because this is ensuring that we will have economic prosperity in our county.

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Into the future, we need tradesmen, trades people, we need nurses, all that stuff is on demand, and this.

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Is an opportunity for young adults moving in to get a start and because it's right down the street.

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From the community college, we have one of the best programs in the state to get people started.

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You can go to the vocational center and transfer eventually go into the community college and.

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Move on from there, I just want to express my sincere gratitude to the school system.

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For allowing us to do this tour and making this happen, so thank you very much. A tremendous honor.

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You're showing your age, it's a career in tech, center, vocational stuff yeah. I went to a vote.

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Tech center, so I I am getting old yeah. I remember the vote x, um but that does segue uh well.

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Robert and I did go over to uh exploration, commons and uh part of the discussion we were having was.

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The uh relationships and partnerships that they are having with the career in tech.

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Along with community college and mcdaniel, and really emphasizing the opportunities that are just.

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That reside here in our community and they have it, they have it covered. So it's one exploration.

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Commons is an amazing. You know opportunity for our county um with all that. It's providing.

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But also it's um its partnerships that really were highlighted to roberta and I, when we're over there.

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We did have a last week a joint meeting with the board of education after our open session.

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Productive joint meeting- and we will continue to have those as time moves on both quarterly.

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Meetings with the board of ed, along with our delegation, communications, goes a long ways.

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Coven 19 still with us, can't let our guard down um protocols, as was mentioned by um commissioner.

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Fraser will be coming out uh more clearly on the school systems uh and what they're going to do as.

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Far as quarantining protocols, but also the county, has opportunity for vaccines and for testing.

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And more details will continue to follow from our health department on the testing and the vaccine.

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Opportunities for our county, in addition with flu shots that will be given at the senior centers.

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Soon and more details on that, the idea here is, you know we talk about safety and security, I'm.

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Glad to see our sheriff here in the room, but it also is quality of life, and it all comes together.

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um To making this happen so really applaud our health department uh under the leadership.

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Of ed singer and all that he's doing with the partnerships with the vaccines, the testing and.

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The flu shots um the last thing just a shout out to a young young man, who's graduating liberty, high.

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School ian hinley I had the opportunity to uh provide him a proclamation as the newest eagle.

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Scout it was on saturday afternoon and for his eagle scout project. He cleaned up an old nike.

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Site, oh in randallstown, um unfortunately showing my age I shared with him that I was on a you know.

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A real nike site in europe, uh you know working those back in the day, so it's they're no longer.

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You know working now, but um it's pretty cool, so he's gonna be able to make a museum out of these.

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Sites so really cool being uh being there, and um you know just sharing some uh some opportunities.

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In his uh ceremony, um okay, I think we're good anything else for the group, if not.

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Let's move on to the final approval on pension plan changes and we got miss frock and warren.

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Okay, mueller talk to us good morning good morning morning, commissioners, this is the laryngitis group.

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So between the two of us we'll get through this so initially on august 12th we bought before you.

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Information on changes to the pension system requested to go to public hearing, which was.

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Held on september 16th and the board then held that record open for 10 calendar days.

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We got one positive comment during the public hearing with no additional comments since.

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And now I'm going to ask werner to brief you on the final decision. That's going to be made of.

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What all the changes are for one last time, okay, um so again, there are eight changes that we've.

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Discussed in the past um two of them specific to the certified law officers, pension plan.

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It was to rename the plan to the carroll county public safety pension plan.

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This plan would be comprised of law enforcement, correctional officers and future firefighters.

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And emergency medical personnel, we also talked about any members that had prior service as.

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A correctional officer that that service would now be included toward their eligibility service.

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That is also pertains to their academy training time, as well as far as uh the two changes specific.

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To the county pension plan, we're changing the vesting period from three years to seven years, but.

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That's only for individuals with an initial hire date on or after january, 1st of 2022. Therefore, the.

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Normal retirement date will now be the earlier of 30 years of service or age 62, with seven years of.

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Eligibility service and then finally, there were four other changes that encompassed both plans.

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Any former employees that are non-vested, we are eliminating any annual interest credit accrual.

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After 12 months has passed from the time that they left employment at carroll, county.

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Government we also upon conferring with our actuaries that we're going to update.

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Our mortality tables to be more in line with current mortality experience.

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Any retirements that are effective january 1st and beyond for those that are elect that elect.

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A joint and survivor option they will no longer be able to change the beneficiary if there is a.

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Death or divorce involved and then finally, just to keep the plans in compliance with federal law.

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We're indicating that the required minimum distribution age be changed to 72, which had been.

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70 and a half up until recently, so those are the changes, uh is military time based on prior service.

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On this, so we do give credit for pre-employment military, active duty, military service, the employee.

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Has to be here for 10 years to get that credit and the credit could be a maximum of five years.

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Okay and that's for both plans is that a standard yeah. I definitely see that in most pension plans.

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Well, so we're seeking today to to close the public hearing record.

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And and have those changes approved to both plans.

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Just to prove it today, right and they'll go into effect when tomorrow, today, some of the.

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Changes today october, the 1st or whatever, and the ones that I specifically mentioned.

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um Summer, effective january 1st, okay, how about previous contractual employees.

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Adoption of the pension amendments. Second, okay: I got a motion. I got a second any further.

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Discussion or questions for the two seeing your none all in favor, okay,.

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And the county administrator does have ordinance and she has that to be signed and numbered.

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Okay. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Well done. Okay, try not to talk the rest of the day.

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Okay: let's talk about replacing some tasers uh with the sheriff. I think.

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One was used on our fellow commissioner earlier today. Maybe that's worth soccer.

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I am wide awake determined to replace teasers, but.

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Okay good morning, commissioners, good morning, you're here this morning to seek your approval to.

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uh Purchase replacement tasers from I don't know if I'm saying this right, axon incorporate it for.

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A cost of 73 234.40 this purchase is being made through a national purchasing partners, contract.

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That was competitively bid. This purchase includes the equipment, the extended warranty and related.

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Accessories, it is within um budget, so we shouldn't be asking for any more funds and I will turn it.

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Over to the sheriff and mrs mcdonald to have any questions good morning, commissioners I'll.

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Just add a little more information for you. What we're looking to do with part of this contract is.

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Consolidate multiple existing five-year contracts that have been started over different years, some.

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Of them are ending, and some of them are continuing, so they're all at different places and points in.

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Time so they're all being consolidated into one 10-year contract, with doing that. We're able to.

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Walk in pricing for 10 years as well, so I know that's something that you're always looking for.

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People to do, and also it includes not just the replacement tasers, but there are accessories. It.

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Does include the extended warranties, we need lots of training equipment, all the cartridges.

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Things for training a lot of things like that, so also we get a hardware refresh in five years, so.

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It's basically rolling things into a one-stop shop that allows us to better manage the contracts and.

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The equipment without having to keep all of these multiple contracts going at different stages on.

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In all these different years, so you all approved the majority of these tasers, the previous sport in.

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2016., I think mr frazier wins and weaver remember that we're kind of coming up on the end of some.

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Of those contracts so we're trying to consolidate them also axon has come up and and like any piece.

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Of technology they've produced a better piece of equipment. We currently carry what's called a taser.

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X2 and we'll be transitioning to a taser x7, um there's different advantages to the to the x7 and.

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The x2, the one of the one of the bigger advantages is that it gives us data a little swifter. So I can.

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Get data from the time that a taser is turned on to the time that it's deployed and and see.

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How the taser is being used for for lack of better works, and it also has a feature that.

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It shoots two cartridges: it'll hold two cartridges, and previously we would have to turn the taser off.

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Turn it back on to fire another cartridge with the new taser. We can literally just turn it sideways.

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And it'll switch over to the second cartridge so that so that it can be fired. It's been a valuable.

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Tool for us over the last several years, we had a couple of them when I first became sheriff.

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A couple in the jail and some of my swat folks had them. I came to you guys. You approved.

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The larger purchase and over the last several years, we've we've used them and effectively.

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More effectively not deploying deploying them, meaning they were brought out pointed and the.

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The you know, fear of us deploying the taser gained compliance rather quickly, but there have been.

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Cases over the last couple of years, where we have deployed the taser not only in the jail but on the.

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Road, in fact, yesterday deputies made a traffic stop on west old liberty, road at woodbine, road.

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Down in commissioner boucher's district and during the traffic stop, it was learned at one.

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Of the individuals that was, I think the driver was wanted. He was pulled out of the car arrested.

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Deputies started a probable call search inside the vehicle. The other suspect that was standing.

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Outside realized, we were getting close to what we he didn't want us to find and he took off running.

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Deputies pursued him and deployed a taser rather quickly and subdued him within minutes, and so.

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That's the value of the taser. We don't have to go hands-on. We don't have to do certain things.

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That, historically, we would have had to do so. The the taser was just deployed as recently as.

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As yesterday, it's been an extremely valuable tool and in 2021 with the legislation, that's.

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Coming out, we simply have to have it. You have to have less lethal.

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Tools at your disposal so that you don't you don't go to the to the firearm unless you.

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Absolutely have to, and these things are, must in law enforcement, and this is just a continuation.

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Of the equipment that you supply us and I've told you guys this every time I come over here.

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And I ask for equipment, you give me the best cars, the best guns, the best tasers, the best equipment.

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Money can buy you, you approve it and purchase it. There's simply no organization out there.

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That has better equipment than we do from the cars to the best uniforms, the guns and everything that.

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We carry, we carried the best equipment on the market, and so this is a continuation of that.

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I did send a text message to um dennis and I had talked about this years ago, but and and he did.

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He is older and he is wiser, um wiser than I said, he's much wiser than eric and he.

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Declined my offer, which was which is very smart of you and um but eric, didn't and so and matt. Mr.

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All had the video potentially to bring up this morning. He was nice enough to and you guys are.

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Disappeared, maybe I'll bring it back. I want to see this. Those two guys are like not me not me.

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An extremely valuable tool, and in 2021 with the legislation, that's coming out.

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We simply have to have it.

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And that's and that's the effectiveness of the team and you're welcome.

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You know what, in politics most people try to strong-arm them to get them vote for something.

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He'll shoot you with a teacher yeah when you get your new ones, could we have an old one, so that was.

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An old yeah that was the older one that we shot eric with and um it worked just fine and and he'll.

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Tell you that uh you know he's in welding and he's been shocked before and and I'm sure um that that.

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Measured uh any it has a bite. I did it because of my career. I've been hit with a lot of voltage.

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But when that I knew this would open up an awful lot here. But but I will tell you if you get hit.

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With that thing, you're not running anywhere you're dropping and what I like about the fact.

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That the sheriff alluded to is a reliability. This is going to help cover the county's liability with.

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Not using lethal force and that these teasers are basically smart teasers, as you mentioned, they keep.

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Track of things, so there's no discrepancy that there's information, that's recorded in that teaser.

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So for the price, this is fantastic, but I will say that the deal was. I would do this.

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Because if I sold my britches, I was switching with the sheriff and he almost didn't and tim. He.

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Didn't kind of yeah, so I knew you would ask that, but I did get him to sign a leader information.

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After what he did to me, I'm going to move that the board of commissioners.

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Award the purchase of replacement, tasers the axon enterprises inc.

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In the amount of seventy three thousand two hundred thirty four dollars and forty cents.

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Wow, second, I have to say I'm sorry, my schedule couldn't accommodate that.

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Right there was no way my schedule was going to accommodate this. I don't care what it was that was.

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Better than more, I appreciate the offer so uh do we have any x7 tasers on hand right now, so so.

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Sergeant holland's here and master deputy uh dan simmons is here so master. Deputy simmons is the.

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One that's breaking the computer back there. The master deputy sam simmons is our master instructor.

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For the taser, obviously, you know sergeant. Holland runs. The police academy for me is in charge of all.

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Training and um so the x7s I currently have in the jail you guys approved those last year. It was an.

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Operating budget um there's about 20 in the jail that we that we run with this is transitioning all.

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The x2s that the deputies carry on the road to the x7 and that'll be done in stages. Be simply can't.

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Be done overnight, so what will happen? Is axon will come in they'll supply us with all the new x7s the.

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Sergeant holland's crew uh over a period of several months as they come through in service.

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We'll we'll do an eight-hour course with them transition to the x7s, and then they will. They.

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Will be out on on the road, so yeah go ahead, guys um one of the things that was mentioned. I think.

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Commissioner boucher had mentioned- or I spoke with one of you about- is the cameras on them. Somebody.

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Asked do the tasers have cameras and they do um we we've. We found a flaw with the cameras we decided.

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To purchase the tasers without cameras, knowing that we were going to body cameras in the future.

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Anyway, that would capture this, but when we put the the camera on the tasers is is on the stock, where.

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The battery is at the very bottom and when we pull them out, we put two hands on on these weapons.

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And it covers the cameras almost always right, and so um we chose not to go with that option.

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And stuck with the the traditional um axon x7 now in the jail, the axon x7s exists, but about 98.

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Of that jail is on camera, so inevitably everything's going to be captured on a.

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On a video camera in the jail and in the future, the um everything that's deployed should be.

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Caught on a deputy's, body-worn camera- probably a little better in what what would be on the axon.

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Pager itself will we be able to um dispose of the x2s through uh so we're getting a credit for them.

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And they actually go credit so part of all of these programs. Is they get refreshed? So then.

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Once we transition right that hardware actually goes back right. Okay, that's good! Now, they're.

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I just want to ask: do all your cadets have to be shot with this in their training yeah? If you.

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Want one you gotta, I I carry one and I was shot with one several years ago during training.

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And a lot of people say we oc spray, you um and we we uh we'll shoot you with a taser. Now I give you.

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Handguns and I don't shoot you with a hangover- I see how that goes. Nor do I have you hit with.

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An aspaton per se, but it is an effective way of explaining to a deputy or law enforcement officer.

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This is what this is. What will happen? We know what will happen if they get our guns from us.

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The reason we shoot them with a taser the reason we spray them with oc sprays, so that.

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They can learn to defend themselves, should they be disarmed by one of the two um and what the.

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What it does to you, when, when you're disarmed and how you need to respond to that you're.

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Completely incapacitated right: well, I am thoroughly impressed with it. I have a lot.

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Of respect for you guys, I want to personally thank sergeant holland back there for holding.

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My hand doing the process, you took it like a champ, I was actually. I was actually impressed.

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Thank you. I know one thing if it wasn't for the two deputies on each side of me.

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I would have just collapsed and hit the floor face first, so I'm very grateful that I had a.

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Gentleman on each side of me to help you knocked your earring right out of your ear.

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I could have held a light bulb and lit it up. Was that the first take? Because if you do a second.

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Take yourself, I'm sure you know what's interesting, though, is I think the gentleman back there and.

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Deputy he was going to go first. I think no, I'm going to go first, because if I see someone else.

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Do this I thought the term would do it still have a little blow. Oh, I have a lot of glow this morning.

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Okay, we had a motion. We did have a second any further discussion of value. Seeing hearing none.

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All in favor all right, thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you very much very much.

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Comic relief for the day next time, you want me to vote for something just ask politely.

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Chris swan is going to have a lot of fun with that video. I'm not sure he will. I think you're.

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Going to be seeing a lot of that in the future, okay, we are going to move on to a discussion.

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um On the rfp, with the harrison leicester property, our economic development.

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Team, mr library, I saw him pop in and pop out.

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Probably afraid he was going to get tased or something.

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Okay good morning, mr librarian, so.

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Okay, so before we uh get started according to our agenda,.

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We'll be asking for public comments on this topic and then we will have uh mr librarian.

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Walk us through the process, you know- and I just want to share that um we try to do it right.

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By getting public comments before we make decisions, we try to get it right to get.

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Public comments before the conversations um I think I've seen every you know avenue we take.

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uh Either criticism and appreciation on how we're doing it, so uh there will always be criticism and.

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Always appreciation on whether we have public comments. First, public comments; second public.

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Comments at last, we made the decision that we will ask for public comments uh up front on both.

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On the harrison leicester, uh property and then uh jack, you will have the discussion and then we will.

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Have our discussion amongst us with you? Okay, um public comments are limited to three minutes.

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We will work ourselves through it. What I'd like to do is have the public comments that are in.

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The room first, if there are any and then matt you'll, walk me through public comments that are on.

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On the phone? Okay, so with that uh public, who do we have? Mr um carl munder? Okay, yeah? Please.

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Come up to the mic and uh share your name um and your residents. Thank you. My name is carl.

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Munder council member for the town of mount airy, I live at 2002 philbrook lane mount airy maryland.

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I would like to say thank you for allowing the town the opportunity to speak today on this topic.

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And I would like to mention that mayor poyer has submitted a letter on the town's behalf. I believe.

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You should have copies in it. If not, I brought copies to give it. So I'm just going to read some.

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Of the highlights of the letter for public record and for the public to know what was in the in the.

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Letter if it has not been disclosed yet on any websites out of the two development proposals.

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The town would prefer the fall developers consisting of primarily residential with single.

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And multi-unit senior housing and complementary retail we deem this a more compatible use of land.

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Regarding the town's desired direction of growth, the mount area, senior task force.

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Has also been focusing on elderly housing and has identified adrenaline inventory of senior.

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Housing options within our town, a thoughtfully, planned and executed senior housing development.

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Could serve to to provide far-reaching benefits to the aging populations in both carroll county.

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And the town of mount airy also such a development could serve as an economic driver to the existing.

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Business community in the southernmost portion of the county, we also identify and realize that.

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No matter which option is chosen, there will be significant traffic related concerns on route 27.

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At a minimum we believe maryland route 27 will need to be upgraded and widened from twin arch.

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Road north to maryland route 808 to support the future development of the harrison le share.

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Property and also the town has submitted a request to the carroll county commissioners. For this.

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Upgrade to be included in the upcoming maryland department of.

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Transportation consolidated master plan to be submitted as part of that and finally.

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The talent visions that any future development of the harrison le share property will be best.

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Served by extending the town boundaries to include these parcels via any vietnam.

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Extending the town boundaries to include these parcels via an annexation agreement. This will.

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Allow public services, primarily water and sanitary storage capacity, needs to be met through the.

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Connection to the town's existing infrastructure and be served by the production wells located on.

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The subject properties, I also would just like to remind the county commissions that I believe.

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At the meeting earlier this year that when the county re gained possession of this property.

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That it was agreed upon for the county to work with the town in any type of deal or.

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Annexation agreement or anything of that nature that might be worked out.

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With any potential developer, so I would like to say thank you for allowing me again.

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Let's, um if we can turn off the clock and because you are part of the town I'd like to have the.

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Opportunity, if anybody has any questions from the mayor, because we did just receive this yesterday.

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Oh yeah yeah! No, no, that that's great, but if you can answer I was from the town. uh I will.

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I will try, commissioner, but just take it. This was given to us too. Last I mean we learned about all.

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This monday, so we formulated a letter letter was finalized. So anything if you do have any.

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Questions, I would prefer you to contact our town administrator david warrington or the acting mayor.

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Jason poyer, because, right now what I would say, I can't really classify, as fact for the town.

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But I can try well councilman. I want to express my sincere gratitude that you.

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Came out here today to speak and that the acting mayor submitted the letter and that.

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I'm at your disposal for a potential meeting, just contact me and I'll come.

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Out and visit, I can have more of an intimate discussion with you guys.

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But I appreciate the input. This is all a major impact upon your your town and the.

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Community I hear a lot of the citizens, so I want to really think this thing through and hear from.

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As many people as possible, so thank you for being here all right. Thank you, commissioner.

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What is the senior task force? The senior task force has just recently.

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Formed task force, but has been in kind of in the background for the past several years,.

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It it looks at it was formed by the late mayor to look at. I want to senior issues for town what.

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Did what did the senior population consider issues in town? One of them was the primary.

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Concern was lack of affordable housing for seniors lack a diversity of housing for seniors.

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In the area, a lot of people would like to stay in the mountain area area. The seniors would.

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But they just find it unattainable due to financial reasons, reasons or lack of services.

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Okay, dude because I tried finding it on um the mount airy site. I found the growth and development.

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Task force yeah, not a senior task force yeah. As I said, this was like working in the background. The.

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Past couple years it was just formula I want to say not initiated the incorrect term, but.

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Recognized by the by the town as a official task force for the town, I can, I believe there may be a.

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Report a rough report that I could try and obtain for you all and send it to you. If not also say.

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This is some preliminary findings that the task force has found. Okay. Thank you all right. Thank you.

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Okay, um I have no other requests in a room: okay, um matt. What I'd like to do is uh you're.

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Showing me that we have six callers on uh so again instruction with the callers and matt you're going.

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To uh manage these callers, but the instruction to all the callers is: please state your name, your.

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Address and then you'll have three minutes to uh share with us. uh What's on your mind, so matt.

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Caller warning you've been unmuted.

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uh Good morning, commissioner, how are you good morning? My name is dianne perni and I live at 4044.

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Butler road binary: first I'd like you to know, I'm speaking on behalf of the butler road and.

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Jack's court president in mount airy, our first and foremost worry is that our needs will not be taken.

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Into consideration, whichever developer, you will certainly agree to, you must protect our.

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Current neighborhoods one, we need guarantees that our wells and waters will be viable. My.

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Well is very shallow and I have never needed to drill further down to access a water source.

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This kind of building that you're looking at we need guarantees that, if or more likely when.

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We have issues with our wealth and water, we can count on the developer or the county to rectify.

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The matter with no cost to us- and we would like to see this in writing- understand and take into.

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Consideration that this land is on an aquifer that can be depleted without appropriate recharge areas.

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Plus, with industrial materials and fuels leaking into the ground, can we trust our water supply? We.

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Would also like guarantees that the residential areas will remain residential and not changed.

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As was noted by st john's initial reply in the rfp, we need to be assured that we will be able to live.

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In peace and tranquility that we currently live in pollution from the businesses, such.

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As light noise and air pollution will need to be kept to a minimum, I would like to state.

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That I have had several correspondence sent to all the county commissioners and to mr leiber.

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And paige sutherland only to get no replies from anyone, but my county commissioner and I'd like to.

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Thank commissioner boucher for his responses. I believe this whole matter has been done with no.

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Transparency at all, even the town of mount airy, is learning about this development from the harrison.

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I share facebook page. It is beyond belief that the county would sell land in the manner that they're.

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Doing this I actually spoke to a representative of public purchase and later alarm was the property.

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Was being sold, not least through them, their site is to be forbids for goods or services.

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Not to sell of land, as I look over the 329 rfps, the carroll has put on the public purchase site.

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Since 2016, this is the only land for sale. Why was this land not put up for sale to the public.

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I can only guess my question will never be answered, or maybe I have the answer and it's.

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A county government that is only looking to add to its coffers and not the pulse of its constituents.

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I do have some issues for you to think on as you review those plans.

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Before builders, why did the original statement claim that they would be building 550 senior.

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Living units and now they're up to over 1200, that is a ridiculous number of units. Look at the.

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Drawing it looks like a city with itself, nor did they suggest initially that they would be putting.

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Any businesses on the land and now they've changed their minds. As for st john's property, they're not.

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A company to be trusted did they not do most of the building that created the flooding issues.

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In ellicott city, will they stick to their plan or will they try to build less residential areas.

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We, the residents, want to know where the water and sewage treatment plants are proposed to go. There.

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Is nowhere in the world that either development will build its own water sewage plant, but if.

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They do where is it going? Are they going to try to come in yep plea? Please uh finish up your comments.

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Okay, uh just be uh assured that I uh we are watching this and we have 400 plus people.

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Living along route 27- and we have a presence in westminster, um we will grind up the rules at.

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Election time, taking a look at take a look at the what happened to monrovia town center. I understand.

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That everybody says not in my backyard, but this is a ridiculous size and not done for this kind.

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Of expansion: where will the woods take this kind of traffic? This entire process has been somewhat.

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Covert and unconventional and we don't take this lightly. Thank you, okay. Thank you. Ma'am matt, next.

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Caller too, you've been unmuted.

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All right, this is simone blanchard. Can you hear me? Yes, ma'am, go ahead, simone.

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Hi I live at 4073 butler road in mount mary maryland. Thank you for the opportunity to comment.

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This morning, I would like to express my concern uh with the less than transparent process for the.

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Development of this parasitely shared property at the august commissioners meeting the two.

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Bids for the harrison with shared property were introduced, although I'll buy it with no visual.

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Presentation or plans to show it was decided at that meeting that commissioners would wait to vote.

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On a proposal until commissioners and residents had a chance to see the plans and discuss them.

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I was very grateful for that decision in between that meeting and the meeting today, commissioner.

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Boucher tried to get the fight plan concepts for each proposal from the economic development.

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Department so that he could meet with residents and discuss the plan, he was told that they were.

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Waiting for more detailed site plans from developers and that it would be shared with.

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Commissioners, without the opportunity for public dialogue between commissioners and residents.

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I do understand that we are able to comment right now before this agenda item. However, that.

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Does not give us the opportunity to react to the presentation or ask questions. I would like to ask.

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You to consider the following two requests number one at this meeting. I would like for the economic.

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Development, director, jack lyburn and commissioners to lay out the process and laws and regulations.

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That govern the process for the development of this land, from winning bid to breaking down.

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In a step-by-step fashion, so that the public is aware- and everyone understands number two- I would.

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Like for you to hold a public meeting about the development of this land, where residents and mount.

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Airy town officials and staff can discuss the two options with commissioners and ask questions to.

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The developers before these proposals are taken to a vote. This process has been less than transparent.

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And residents have had to beg for information as for the site, plans, they're very difficult.

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To compare as as st john's did not fully lay out the residential retail and industrial concepts and.

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The fall plan did float so it makes it look like the st john's plan is more favorable to residents.

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Than the fall plan, both of these plans have much greater density than was verbally presented at.

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The meeting last month, it is clear they cannot trust the information as it continues to change.

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However, it is almost certain that either of these developers would have to petition the town for.

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Annexation as it is impossible to have this kind of density on wells and septic, I'm concerned that.

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No town or county officials or developers until today are publicly talking about that. Perhaps they.

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Are behind closed doors? Please know that residents continue to organize and we will continue to.

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Demand transparency and input into the development of this county owned land. Thank you. Thank you.

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Matt caller follow three you've been unmuted.

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Follower three: please state your name.

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You've been unmuted.

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Caller five you've been unmuted. No am I unmuted? You are okay, great! Thank you. uh My name is steve.

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Trice I live at 4066 boat, reload emailed late last night because I didn't think I'd be able.

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To make it today, but had a last minute minute meeting cancelled. So thank you for the time.

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I echo both simone and diane's comments. We do not feel that process has been transparent. We met with.

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Commissioner boucher, who expressed his frustrations in uh lack of being able to obtain.

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The site plans and the visuals etc, and the fact that we found it in the agenda this week. It wants.

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Alerted is a little concerning. um We would like to understand the legal process around this and.

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Ensure that we don't end up in any any issues like we ended up before why the county owns the land.

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um And I'd like to express that you know between the two developments we uh we've looked at those.

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The 1200 buildings on the senior piece is entirely too dense. uh You know it was originally.

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500 or so, and now it's over 1200 and if you look at the site plans, it does look like a little.

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City and they're stacked all the way around the property and up against our homes, etc.

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We would need more setbacks and and some additional free space in that type of.

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uh Development and regarding the st john's, we would need the um the guarantees that you know.

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They're not going to change the residential piece to commercial, as was kind of a caveat in there.

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And as part of all this, we need well protections um as diane, I believe mentioned. Our wells are.

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Extremely shallow and what I mean extremely shallow- I mean like less than 40 feet.

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Which is which is probably surprising to some folks, but it's the case um and we need the.

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Setbacks, as I mentioned before so like I said both of those plans uh present some problems.

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There's been other things that have been discussed and we'd like to see this brought to you.

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Discussion with the town in a public meeting, so that everyone gets an opportunity to uh to have.

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Their say and understand, what's going on here, so thank you. Okay, thank you, steve um matt. Next.

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Always three you've been unmuted hello, yep, good.

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Good morning my name is julie. Roche and I live at 3698 west watersville road in mount airy.

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I back up to bottler road and I can tell you when I purchased this property. My well is already 200.

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Feet deep and our water goes low. Whenever you hear that there is a problem with water in the area.

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That being said, I would be concerned and had a well driller come to my home, to let me know.

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About the area in mount airy and its main well drilling, they have done most of the drilling.

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In the area and also have drilled on that property, he advised me that it's very difficult.

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To get water, the property that is near me that is currently farmed by mr mill is and would be.

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Continuously needing water from that aquifer, so I'm concerned about not only our residences but.

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The um keeping in mind that we would lose a wonderful farm that is currently using all of this.

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Land to sell from that being said, I also contacted the maryland department of transportation.

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Who advised me that they are on backlog with road development and that there would be no changes in.

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That area for at least 13 years, based on their current backlog of work, also that if it were.

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To be done, it would be at requests of concerned citizens only that they would not make any changes.

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That these, whatever was going on right now, they have no information about and that everything.

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That is being done has to have been done privately. I have a lot more information, but I'm afraid I'm.

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Running out of time, well, you have, you have a little bit more time if you want to share.

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um So I was what they told me was that there are developments that have been on the.

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Schedule through the maryland department of transportation that have currently been on.

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The log for like 13 years so there would be no changes um currently west watersville. All of.

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The development of nottingham everybody that's coming out in the morning trying to access 27.

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To get to work at the same time that the schools are, the buses are also trying to.

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Get into the multiple schools that use that one intersection you can sit at the light for.

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Three cycles of that light in order to get out on 27.. If you were to start- and you also know that.

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There's another development going in across 27. That is, you know currently in the process at the.

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Town of mount airy, that includes a commercial structure along with over a hundred townhouses.

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They're all trying to be built at the same time: okay, okay, thank you, julie, um matt,.

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Followed four you've been unmuted hello. uh Thank you for your time. This is a larry hushar.

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501 westridge drive and I'm currently a candidate for mayor in this upcoming uh special election. But.

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At this time, I'm strictly a resident of mount airy. I'd like to start by saying.

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uh I support the letter that was written to you and delivered to you last evening.

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And I appreciate councilman munder being there and speaking today. As many of you.

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Remember I was a strong supporter of the ida when it was trying to develop this property. I.

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Thought that was a really good fit for the town, and it came with some water and it came with.

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Open space, both both items are things that we needed in this town, but either of the proposals.

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That are coming before you today, be it crawl or st john's is going to have a huge.

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Direct impact on the infrastructure of our town, in effect, you're increasing our population.

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And if not annexed, then you're increasing our population outside of any regard toward our apfo.

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The roads, obviously the traffic and, as the previous caller stated, it takes a lot of.

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Work to get out of nottingham and get onto state highway 27 and that's a huge.

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Huge concern to the citizens of mount airy, as well as our open space deficit. We do have one.

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I do realize that the depictions that are before you have 85 acres of open space when we were.

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Working with the ida that 85 acres was supposed to come into the town and practically alleviate our.

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Deficiency open space, so so that's a big deal to us, our police department. The way rapfo is set up.

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We're at 1.1 per 1000 residents and we currently have 11 officers but you're about to potentially.

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Increase the population through one of these developments by well over a thousand people.

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And when you do that, that's going to trigger the need for another officer, maybe even two.

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Other officers in our town and that's uh that's a costly uh burden upon the town.

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Fire company, we have a fire company that does an excellent job for a town of roughly ten thousand.

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People but you increase this population every time somebody hits 9-1-1 and if it's a senior community.

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They're going to be hitting 9-1-1 a lot, then we're going to have to absorb that burden as well and.

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So I believe that uh you know.

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And the bottom line, is you guys are about to make a decision.

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uh That will be changing the town of mount airy forever and I'm pretty concerned about that.

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And the biggest deal in this whole thing is that, if, if an annexation agreement does not occur,.

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Then you're increasing our the population of mount airy in effect, without even any consideration.

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Toward our apfo and that's all I have to say thank you, okay, thank you. Larry.

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Matt, I believe we should have one more yes, sir, caller six you've been unmuted.

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Hello, my name is joe mangan. I live at 4065 butler road.

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While I understand the county's desire to dispose of this, land has not been a new situation at all.

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This is decades at this point in the making the current manner in which the sale of the.

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Land is being currently considered is incredibly rushed and has been completely untransparent.

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The density that is being proposed is pretty astounding in both the st john's proposal.

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And in the frail development proposal, and yet there has been no test as to where any of these.

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Concepts would actually pass local or state agency review and we will have state agency review with.

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The state highway administration.

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The intersection of waterville road and mount airy.

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And at route 27 in mount airy is already under incredible strain. This amount of.

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Additional density not only on route 27, but also, it would also affect butler road and.

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Watersville road, due to the secondary access that are being proposed for those proposals.

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Is going to incredibly change the character of both of these neighborhoods, considering that.

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In order for any of these, developments to occur would require a complete rezoning of the property.

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Just the rush of how this is being proposed and um and brought to the public.

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um Provides little to no time to digest or to ask reasonable questions about whether we're even.

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Voting on a proposal that would, in the end realistically be able to make it to fruition.

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And what it would take and how it would impact the community to do so. I.

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See that before you actually take an affirmative action on either of these proposals that you take.

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A pause- and you explain to the public exactly all the steps that would need to take place for either.

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Of these developments to occur, thank you. Okay, thanks jill um matt. Do we have anybody else? No, sir.

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Everyone on the line has spoken. Okay, I appreciate it so with all that said, and we have nobody else.

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In the room to speak for public comment jack, the floor is yours. We have your discussion paper and.

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A couple of attachments that you provided that are also the displays you have so it's on you.

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Commission commissioners, thank you like a little bit of history here.

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um The county deeded the uh the idea of property on november, the eighth one 2010., the ida voted.

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In january 27th and 2021 to return it to the county, an rfp went out on.

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April, the 9th and we extended it a couple months to get more feedback and get more.

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Interested parties and we ended it on july 11., we received two um bids on this two plants.

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um But the one key to this is that both it was in the rfp that they're buying this as.

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Is they know they have to go through? All the I will say the hoops and jump through many.

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Planning commission meetings and meeting with the public and everything else, so I just want.

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To make sure it's, as is what I like to do, is just run through real fast, the two, the two proposals.

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um You could you could probably sit there and just.

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Let us know from yeah you're not going to be able to be heard.

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Right I apologize we'd hear you, but the public wouldn't.

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Yeah, we can see it yeah, we'll we'll see it. This is where you need a van or whatever it's all good.

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I guess that was me well enough when the st john's property, which you're looking at here.

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um The flex is 342 960., you can see where it is on the on the plant. um The industrial is 190.

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000 square feet: the retail office is 50 000, so the total would be 582 960.

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You can see where it is on the plan. The total investment in this property is when it's built out.

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It's about 325 million dollars. That's a key number yeah we're going to build 339 homes, single family.

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Homes and townhouses and that's up against where the homes are right now.

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Hold on a second jack: hey matt, we're getting background noise from somewhere.

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Okay, if you man, if you could put that display back up, that would be great.

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But there was background noise that we were getting.

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Okay, go ahead, jack.

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Jack, it's on you yeah, I'm gonna read off this. The um this will create 1 350 jobs. The average.

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Salary is 45 000, so that's going to be a 60 roughly 61 million dollar payroll and there.

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Is 35 acres of open space and you can see it's going to create about 84 new businesses in there.

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The other proposal from frail, which is jim frye's company, wants to build 1240 senior living.

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How much would be one more time, 500 000, how many, how many homes did you say? One thousand.

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Two hundred and forty okay senior senior living at an average cost of five hundred thousand.

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Which would mean six hundred and twenty million dollars total.

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Also 30 acres of green space, so it's about even 35 acres, 30 acres. I know commissioner wayne.

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Should we just about the green space, I don't know how much they're bad they're about equal.

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This is a little bit different on on the at st john property they're willing to pay us 19 million.

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Dollars on a takedown schedule and what that is as they take down as they build. You know the flex.

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Buildings in their homes, they would be paying us. So it's a takedown schedule. It's not out front.

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They could go out for how many years and it's about 19 a little over 19 million dollars. However,.

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On this proposal on jim fry's proposal once he gets all the permits and everything he's willing.

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To write a check to us for 20 million dollars, I want to say austin county for 20 million dollars a.

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One-Time check is that contingent on the 1240 part is that contingent on the 1240? No, yes, with the.

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Zoning approval, basically, is is that contingent on the 1240 senior living homes? Yes, okay,.

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Now these are concept plans, so I mean that doesn't mean you know when I say 1000 240 or this.

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It can change a little, but you can see on on, especially on ed st.

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John, the question was: are we going to put flex buildings up against the houses? No um and then.

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And they know it's, as is they're, going to have to buy this and jump through a lot of hoops. And it's.

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Going to take a long process so I'll stop, and that's basically that the key to both of them.

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Okay, well, like you said yeah, your word zone is, as is in order to do either one of these.

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Plans they're gonna have to go to the state to the county to the town, whatever things they have to do,.

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To try to get this thing to develop for for site plans for water for road access, and all that my.

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Question is, I guess, is okay, let's no matter which one we we would pick what happens if they don't.

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Get those approvals? What do we end up with? I mean, let's pick either one if they don't, if the state.

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Says no or they can't or we don't you know they don't have the water or whatever it is they don't.

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Have the road access? Are we going to get any money back for the property, because both these things.

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Are contingent basically on them getting the approval to run these plans, which may not happen.

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We don't have, we can't tell the state what to do we're. Not I mean I don't have any attention.

F

Telling our planning is owning what to do and, of course, we're not going to tell the town what to.

F

Do so they look for these plans and they say: okay, we want this property. Let's say that was said, john.

F

I mean uh the frail said: they're gonna give us 20 million dollars, but it's contingent on them.

F

Getting those that site plan basically approved okay, what happens if it doesn't get approved.

F

That's my question. That's a good question. I can tell you upfront is going to cost millions of.

V

Dollars to get to uh to jump through all that say all the hoops with the state and everything else.

V

And they're gonna on both deals: they're gonna put all the infrastructure in too.

F

But well my assumption is they wouldn't do any of that until they got the approval to to do the plan.

F

Yes, but to get to that plan is going to take right. I understand that, but.

F

Okay, but what happens is the football doesn't come it's my question. What happens then.

A

What are your thoughts I mean? Does it revert back to the county? Well, it's. It's always stays in the.

V

County, you know it'll stay in the county, but I mean if it's, if one of these purchases it are.

A

They purchasing it with contingency of all the you know uh permitting being completed, or is it can.

A

You know purchasing as raw land and then they go through all their processes. I mean what well jim.

V

Fry has said: I'll, buy the land right now I'll give you 2.5 million dollars. You can walk away from it.

V

With no guarantees right well, that's it! We can't give guarantees so no matter what.

F

One gets the land, we can't guarantee that these plans will be approved and I'm I just.

F

Want anybody to know that we're not guaranteeing anything here, we're selling the land as land.

F

If they buy the land, they have to go through all the process of getting that that developed.

F

You know planning concept plan all that stuff to the state through us through. If the town's.

F

Going to annex it or not, and all that that's all up to them to do that, there's no guarantees that.

F

That these plans will will come through. It's just that's just my point. It's as.

J

Is right, the problem is what they're saying okay see. I think we've got your point uh twice.

B

So you're you hit on something here. I hadn't heard before the fry group said that they'd buy.

B

The property right now for 2.5 million. Yes, that is this. What about the saint john folks? uh It.

B

Was never discussed, never discussed everything, I'm reading right off the rfp. It was never discussed.

V

And if you want to you know, I don't know if we can go back and negotiate tim on this. We.

V

Can you know um this one's offering? This is just trying to get a feel for what that means.

B

I I I mean the obviously the property's for sale. It's our property, it's for sale.

B

Why would we not take an offer of someone who wants to buy it? I'm looking at both sides here.

B

Why would we not exercise the option to just sell the property and then let it play out.

B

The way that it needs to play out whether the town would annex it or request it to be annexed.

B

With the with the next owner or or whatever that I'm, why is that not an option here? This is the.

A

First, I've heard of this. So what yeah? Because it was in the rfp, an opportunity to buy, as is.

A

What within the rfp did it say you have an opportunity to buy all of this property for.

A

Giving your price it was never put in the rfp, but um trail builders came back jim.

V

Fry came back and said it's only worth about fourteen thousand dollars right now. Weight zone.

V

I'll give you 2.5 million. The problem is the problem, is you know if you sell it now for 2.5.

V

In two years he gets all his permits. The property is worth 20 million. um Do you you want to wait. You.

V

Know take your deposit up front nonrefundable of x amount of dollars. You could structure the deal.

V

That way, you know to see if these are developers will structure or give you money up front.

V

Non-Refundable but you're talking about you know a 20 million dollar and a 19 million dollar take.

V

Down so I mean I'm leaving a lot of money on the table. Well, I understand that part of it, but.

C

The end result is going to be the same for sure right, right, yeah,.

V

They got to go through the state, they got to go through county. They got to go through. There's all.

V

Kinds, the um ida saw all this and decided. You know it was too much for the idea to do and they that's.

V

Why they gave it back to the county and they looked at it for 10 years? You finished it well,.

C

There's a lot of questions here: it is the town of mount airy or has the town of mount airy ever.

B

Expressed an interest in annexing this property, I mean I keep hearing these people say well, you're.

B

Doing this so quick, this property's been sitting here for 10 years. How quick do you, how slow do.

B

You want this to be, and and now all of a sudden- and there was always talk about this property.

B

Since 2010, but now all of a sudden- it's too quick- I got a problem with that, but I guess my point is.

B

Because the town knew that something was going to occur, there.

B

We just can't assume that it's going to stay open land, that's just not the way it works anywhere.

B

Has the town in the last 12 years expressed an interest in annexing this in anticipation.

B

Of what could occur there, that's a yes from the council, so councilman! If there. If you want to talk.

A

I mean yes, you're welcome to get no you're you're welcome uh to come up to the mic. Thank you. You.

B

With people saying I want to talk yeah, that's right! That's the council.

G

That's why I was conscious not in my head, I wanted to obey procedure and just to.

A

Be very clear uh because those that are also listening, that you know given the opportunity.

A

To have this dialogue with the uh municipality is also very important as we move forward. So if you.

A

Have comment regarding from the municipality? Please, okay! Thank you, sir. uh Yes, the town had.

G

Expressed interest in annexation, we were in the process of finalizing an agreement with the.

G

Approximately we started two years ago we started renegotiating with the ida. I was part of that.

G

The town council member, my myself and former councilmember hush hush hour, were.

G

Town representatives on that we were about a month or so away from initializing the votes.

G

On accepting the annexation agreement or going through the process of it, with paperwork was in.

G

uh And all of a sudden, the this clause of 10 10 years, if nothing was done, became known and.

G

The property was returned back to the county, but we were about two two months away from.

G

Initiating votes on the annexation? Okay, okay, I I think, that's that that's a good refresher.

B

For me now that you've said that I've now I do remember that yeah, uh you know and that's I I.

B

Only want that to be known because I keep hearing people say this is too quick. This is too quick.

B

This this green area has been sitting there since prior to 2010. It just became apparent that.

B

These folks that own it wanted to sell it yeah, and so so I mean man. I hate to get on this little.

B

This little property rights issue here because and clearly this is where we're going yeah and.

B

If I have a piece of property and then 87 people line up and tell me what you you can't put a corn.

B

Field in there yeah, I got a problem with that yeah and in reality too, the annexation has been known.

G

For a long time, because I believe was in our 20, it definitely was as potential annexation area.

G

In the 2013 master plan, and it could have been potentially in the previous master plan before.

G

That I'm not that familiar with the prior one, but it has been out there as a potential.

G

Annexation area, so this property is in the designated growth area for the town area as well.

G

I believe so, yes, sir, so common sense tells me- and I know that's a thing of the past common sense.

B

But common sense tells me that if you put whatever you put in here, it's going to impact the town.

B

Then why not, would the town want to take ownership of this and move forward? That way.

B

I kind of feel like the middleman here only because we own it, but I don't understand why the.

B

Town isn't pushing to say: let us annex it first and then let's go here, doesn't that make more.

B

Sense because, obviously we're hearing about the aquifer and the wells there it's going to have to.

B

Get water and sewer for anything to occur yes and to to me that would make sense, but I again I can't.

G

Really speak for the town, but I'm trying to work through this. That's why I don't know.

A

I get you but yeah, so a couple things one. I really I want to give you the opportunity. If you have the.

A

Ability to speak for the town yeah, if you're speaking, you know opinion. What I want to do is.

A

Make sure we get to the facts and again um and just you can have a seat I mean I mean I can do.

G

The history of it pretty pretty well, if you have any questions related to that, I think you did.

B

You answered my question and I appreciate it. I appreciate you being here. I have one.

E

Follow-Up; okay, with that, oh yeah, what happened to the first nine years on this.

E

In there well, we started uh annexation. Talks fits and starts for some reason it never completed came.

G

To fruition I got it I came to office two years ago. I believe the ida approached us again. Let's.

G

Get the talk started again, we started talking, as I said, nothing had changed from the previous.

G

Annexation agreement, when it started, I asked, does anything need to be changed. I was told by the ida.

G

No we're good with the original agreement. Let's just move ahead and work out the details that.

G

Have been brought up beforehand, so that's what we would do and I can't say why it was.

G

Never finalized before, but again we were a couple months away from conducting the votes.

E

And ten years is a long time so yeah, oh yeah yeah. What I'd like to do is restate.

A

You know thank you so much councilman I'd like to do uh quickly. Just research, commissioner, is it.

V

Proper uh jim fly would like to say something: is that possible? Not not the second, but.

A

What I'd like to do is restate what you shared: the ida was deeded the property on november 8 2010.

A

At this meeting on january, 27 2021 the ida voted to return the property to the county.

A

In a letter dated february 5th 2021 the ida, let the town know of its decision to end the project.

A

On march 4th you came before us to approve the request or to approve to issue an rfp.

A

To develop a portion of the property, the rfp was reviewed by our county attorney and was put out.

A

Was led on april 9th and then was openly opening advertised openly advertised on may 28.

A

2021 after receiving feedback, uh we extended it. What was openly advertised the rfp.

A

The the request for proposal- okay, okay, completed okay, our lawyer got it with due diligence and then.

A

Advertised on may 28, 2021, okay, after receiving feedback from interested parties.

A

The deadline was extended and the new award date was set at july 11th on august 12th. Our.

A

Economic developer came back before us with the two proposals that were received at that time.

A

We asked for more information on each proposal and that's where we are today on september, 30th.

A

So this is not you know, I some may feel that it's been fast, but from february 25 february 5th.

A

2021 we were getting this property back into our hands and then we were working ourselves through.

A

What were we going to do with this property right and well, that's my point. Yeah, I'm glad you went.

B

Over that, because it's 2021, so this property's been sitting there for 11 years and everyone.

B

There around there full well knows that, there's something that's going to occur, because it's.

B

A prime piece of property, this piece we have in the county right, so this this I don't know.

A

This is just for the debate, part of it, but I I.

B

I still have a problem. My the bottom line problem for me is a challenge not problem.

B

Challenge for me is when you have something like this: whatever you do on that property is going to.

B

Completely impact the town and the surrounding infrastructure period, I don't care if you put.

B

A produce stand there you're going to to impact the town, then why not with the town jump up and.

B

Say let's annex this and then we'll move forward instead of us coming up with, I mean we're trying.

B

To sell it's almost like trying to sell a car, but yet you haven't seen the car yet, but trust me.

B

Here's the car, you it'll, be good for you, little old lady drove to churchill.

B

Yeah, I'm not I'm not trying to make light of this without example, but.

C

I guess that's not kind of the way that I am absolutely I I said this before.

B

I don't care if you give me four plans in front of me. It's got to be.

B

That there's got to be more interaction with the folks around there about the plans, and I think I.

B

Stated it pretty good if I had property across the street from me and and somebody's proposing.

B

Property rights or not now, let's be clear because I'm all about property rights too. The folks that.

B

Own this have every right to do what they want within reason: it's their property, and that means.

H

The county at the moment, just as people right, that's us, so we have every right to do that, but we.

B

Also need to make sure that those that are going to be directly affected are all in, and I think.

B

That's the town, that's what I think so butler road residents aside and I get their their plate. There.

B

Too, but you know if I was on that road, knowing that all that property's there I mean what what.

B

Do you think's going to happen so anyway? No just a couple things, just real, quick, okay um and I.

A

Want to be clear what I just shared, what I read was all of that information open to the public.

A

As far as the transfer from the idea back to the county, the rfp and I'm asking you jack.

A

Everything that was shared was that available to the public. I'm sorry was that available.

A

Available to the public was that all open information- um I don't I don't know exactly.

V

About the rfp I went through purchasing it didn't go through our department.

A

All the questions everything went to purchasing when anyone called when she said that jack lyron.

V

And paige sutherland. That is correct because we sent everything to purchase right because it.

V

Wasn't our rfp we couldn't. We couldn't do that? Okay, so I don't know what purchasing you know.

A

So roberto or tommy it's a public process, the rfp, when it's put out it becomes a public process.

A

So it's available that there is now an rfp for this property, and but but the problem with that is.

B

People don't know where to go or see it. The average citizen is not going to say. Oh well,.

B

There's an rfp for harrison leicester. No! No! I get you no, no! No! No! No and I'm not testing.

A

Those destiny and not testing those that called in or those that are interested right. You know.

A

um But the the work that we've been trying to do is really trying to say this is like you said what.

A

Is the best interest of the county? What's the best interest of community? This is now county property.

A

And we're doing this as openly as we believe we can. We are not allowed to have discussions amongst.

A

Us unless we have it in front of the community, well, that's the way that we will. You know that.

J

That's just the law, so anything else is wrong. So why can't I'm I'm still trying to figure this out.

B

I've been thinking about this for a month, and you know jack. I've been down asking.

B

You questions for a month and you've been pulling me in there saying: hey.

B

By the way- because this is this is a huge deal here, why can't we as the property owners.

B

Say to- and I should know this answer apply for annexation- is that, where you're going.

H

Yeah, that's I don't know how to quit the county. I don't know how to to phrase the question, but.

H

Bottom line is: why can't we say as the property owners we want this annexed before we do anything.

H

The count the county can you can do it, I mean that would be a board decision.

B

Now I understand that that puts off two very good proposals that we've got in front of us, but.

B

Wouldn't it make more sense if we did it that way? If I may, I think that's a very astute observation.

D

Because I think ultimately, either one of these developers wants that to happen, so we should put.

D

The horse in front of the proverbial park so to speak. I think that's what you're getting at and.

D

It makes sense so then, wouldn't that be more of a way in which to to engage the the citizens and the.

B

Town, if we said we want to annex it instead of well here's a plan, then we're going to annex it.

A

But then they have 10 years to get through that process and I'm not saying not the idea.

A

Yeah well, the idea working with the town and nothing got done. The town did not move on this.

A

Piece of property, while it was in the ideas well, it sounds like they were starting to I mean, but.

B

But now that it's ours, I can assure you that we that's going to move. If we do that, don't you think.

B

I'm not going to sit on this now, I'm not going to probably see what the end result. I understand.

A

Because I'm only here for another, let me ask you guys, but the idea the idea has a lot of tools.

A

And a lot of value that they bring to our county and when this was provided to them to process.

A

And transfer to them and they couldn't get it done with the town.

A

You know um we need a commitment from the town like uh councilman, you said you know, for us to.

A

Be working with the town and it's got to go back and forth to get to an annexation. You know before.

A

We do that, I'm all for it did the ida have either of these two plans in front of them when they were.

B

Trying to annex with the town- oh yes, they did yeah they, the zoning. The problem was, if you do that,.

V

um Remember the town's in control at that point, you know with their planning commission and their.

V

um And their arizona, I understand that which is there's, got to be a lot of dialogue back.

V

And forth that the zoning is correct, what our vision is with the county. I I get that you know.

V

But but it is a process, but also you know when a building comes in. Let's say you know one.

V

Building comes in from in saint john, you know the their planning commission approves that building.

V

It's not our planning commission right in the same way with you know, jim fry comes in with 100 houses.

V

Their planning commission is right is going to do that. So I mean just right: I mean yeah, I'm.

V

Sure you can work that out now, but you know it, you do lose control and I don't. I don't.

V

Know if you're either one of these gentlemen or playing on the internet and exiting in anyway.

V

They haven't shared that with me, you know they're. They have takes that option away, but.

V

They're all messed up: it's not a bad plan. They're almost going to have to with the infrastructure.

B

uh Challenges over there I mean, I don't see any other. Well there's I mean if I look at westminster.

F

I don't know how it's set up in mount area, but look at westminster. People outside of westminster.

F

Can that work can use the infrastructure and so forth and now westminster would love them. That.

F

Annex in right and so forth, but some have developed without nxt yeah but westminster.

H

Is unique, though yeah down area would have to change an ordinance in order to do that, and maybe.

E

Let me ask a question here: does the board want to look at these long range? 20 million dollar plans.

E

Or do we want to take several million now uh up front and that let them handle it all?.

E

The other thing is there is, could be an offer for a private buyer to have this and not.

E

Deal with the infrastructure that's going to be needed, however, that kills all industrial.

E

Growth future industrial growth in that area. Well, we have, we have a responsibility to see.

A

What's been in the best interest of our county? Yes, that's what I'm asking would you know.

B

Yeah so yeah, I'm not that I wouldn't argue that yeah. So um you know with that. Looking at also.

A

You know mount area and quality of life of mount airy, but now that it's our property.

A

You know what is in the best interest of carroll county and the use of that property. Maintaining.

A

Our vision, maintaining our you know, uh economy, um you know it's a balance and that's why I.

A

Brought up this senior task force, I never heard of before right. You know about senior.

A

Homes, because I know there's senior homes coming up in lots of places within carroll, county and.

A

There's not a whole lot of space for this type of growth, um for industrial and other things right so.

B

If you're going to go that route, which then that begs the question on which one of these two plans.

B

Best aligns with the master plan correct.

H

So the county master plan and the um and the town's master plans both have this.

H

As the town's designated growth area within the intention, all along being that this property.

H

Would be annexed into the town? I'm sorry! Well, I don't know yeah. I think it should be yeah.

F

But I would like to keep it in our control right now. I would like to I mean I don't.

F

We can let's work with the town. That's the only thing we can with the town.

F

But this is our property. Now, let's.

F

I don't get what we're going to do, get more information or whatever, but we need to make.

F

The decision of what how we're going to handle this, I don't want to say, let's let the count.

F

Annex it and let the town make those decisions, I'd rather us make those decisions and what the.

A

I was able to sets me, but um what is the concern of me because I've done this before both you know.

A

In different levels of government is an rfp is put out and for us I I am reluctant to take away those.

A

Rfps, a lot of work has been done by both companies to give us a solution, a viable and very viable.

A

And healthy solution to the use of those properties and we're talking, probably five.

A

Figures at least putting into these type of products, so I don't want to throw the baby.

A

Out with the bath water, so that's. Why, dennis I agree with you for us to maintain control.

A

Making a stronger commitment with mount airy to coming up with a better solution, and it could be.

A

You know a traveling roadshow with the with the community and seeing what works best.

A

um Again, and and and looking at what is best for our county.

A

You know, since it's our property and that's gotta, I mean that's where we're at so I mean I don't.

A

Know I mean like I shared, I don't know, and I don't believe from hearing and listening to everybody.

A

That we're ready to make a decision on a or b or b or a, but we are willing to make a decision on.

A

Keep moving forward right um so and the choices between us are either.

A

Giving up on the rfp or not giving up on the rfp turning it over to or processing it over to.

A

Back to the town uh or not you know, um or our status quo or in commissioner weaver's.

B

Question selling it or the commission weaver saying: hey, just sell the property.

A

My concern with that is, we lose control over what is bet in our best interest, except making a few.

A

Dollars up front right and plus we we put this out to rfp. These are the things we got back. I don't.

F

Want to just say forget that I don't think that's the right thing to do. I think that's I don't even.

F

Know we could do that legally. I have no idea, but I just don't think that's the right thing to do.

F

We put this out yeah. This is what we got back, it's up to us to make a decision, and I said at the.

F

Beginning, though we can't do the permanent and all this other stuff, I can't talk state, but we still.

F

You know we're looking at the property which way we're going to go with it right, and I know.

F

There's people out there that just want don't want the property to develop, but that's not.

F

Realistic, they have to realize this property is going to be developed. Let's look at the.

F

Rfps we have out there which one best suits the needs of the county right and the town.

F

That's what we need to look at and if that requires a a um a community meeting down.

D

The mountain, it probably does one or two, then let's do it yeah I mean we didn't do that right.

A

In the freedom district I mean this was before my time, but there was a a series of discussions. Yeah.

A

We were down there quite a bit and it was also a series of discussions with north carol high school.

A

On what was going to be the use of it again, that was before my time, so this deserves the same for.

A

The community, having that input and discussion uh just clarify uh commissioner fraser. We do.

A

Have the authority to pull rfps if we put it out, we do have. I feel so bad about doing that.

A

It's not it's not a good thing. No, I don't think it's a good idea, but we do have the authority.

A

It's not something that I like to do because, right, I don't want to do that. No I'm not anything both.

B

Of these companies have put a tremendous amount of work, as you say, into getting to this point, and.

B

I'm not going to throw that out right, but I don't want to go on forever on this. This has to happen.

E

In the near future, we make a commitment which way we're going and how we're going to get there.

E

Well, I think our next step, if I can suggest, would be to have a community meeting down in mount airy.

F

With the town, and maybe the developers as well everybody in the room talking, let developers make.

F

Their presentation down there, town mountain will be there we'll be there then hear from citizens.

F

After that and and then you know, we have at least more information, but you have to realize this is.

F

Going to be developed, it can't be. I want to keep this as grass or corn fields. It's not going to.

F

Be that way this is going to move forward and again I think we have a template used in other.

A

Designated growth areas where we've had those conversations yeah, we have so um yeah. You two.

B

Your both of your thoughts marry up together because, indeed leaving it as grass.

B

Is not in the best interest of the county, nope, so you've said that and you said it a different way.

B

Both of them come together and it's got to be it something's going to happen. There.

B

It's either this this or or something similar of whatever each one. Whatever.

B

But it's not going to be soy beans right. It's it's a valuable piece of property and in the best.

B

Interest of sardinia, in the best interest of we got a lot of soybeans, we got what they have north.

B

We got 77, 000, acres of soybeans, right or whatever anyway, uh the best interest on the county.

C

Yeah is it needs to it needs to the bottom line. Is we can realize a tremendous amount of fiscal.

B

uh Positivity here for this county and that's in the best interest of this county, so it's going.

B

To be either one or the other, but I think it needs to be all in right with the town on board.

B

And off we go whatever yeah and while maintaining the vision of our county right and how they use.

A

The disney growth harris are you speaking for the are you speaking for the town. What was that.

G

Are you speaking for the town? I feel comfortable, saying what I'm about ready to say for the town.

G

Excuse me, I get confirmation before I speak outside.

C

I'd just like to say thank you for the conversation. We are more than happy.

G

To continue the dialogue with the county on this important issue with it we'll look forward.

G

To having or potentially even hosting the meeting somewhere down in the town of mount airy.

G

For the surrounding community and the county- and I checked with our town administrator.

G

Since the um talk referred back to the annexation uh as current owners of the property, you all would.

G

Have to either make the request to the town for annexation. We would have to agree to that or.

G

If we approached the county, you would have to agree to our our request for annexation. So that's.

G

Kind of where, where we stand right now with the annexation, somebody either has to make the request.

G

And the other has to approve it, and so what what you're actually bringing up is.

A

um Having multiple meetings, one with the community uh two with the town uh itself on.

A

Processes and procedures- yes, um uh my expectations that you will be hosting these meetings, um because.

A

The property is there and you know the interest, the folks being there um reside there um and.

A

All I ask is that the town works diligently.

A

With the county to keep this moving in the direction it needs to go because uh the timeline.

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That was brought in front of us is just you know too long, and so we need to do something. I totally.

G

There's kind of a new council with me thought that a lot of things have been languishing far too long.

G

At times so this was one one of them. That was why, when I got on the council and cut- and we got.

G

Things moving again, so we do under understand the importance and the timeliest manner. I just like.

G

To say, commissioner, wants you: uh did I pronounce your last name, you're, close? Okay, you did correct.

G

You did guess correctly on the crop. That's in the field right there. It is soybeans. So.

B

I I actually didn't guess I was down at the fire company, the other night inside information.

D

Well, I live just for the record. I kind of knew that. Okay, thank you for the comments.

G

Is november 2nd? Okay, it's a great day. It is an election day. It was just fell on that day.

D

Thank you, commissioner. If I may, this property has been a bit of a a real open wound for the.

D

County and for the community down there, and though this is very contentious, it's important for us.

D

To go through this process and get this thing to heal up and, of course, like any other wound there.

D

Might be a bit of a scar and a remnant left with other people that leaves a bad pace in her mouth.

D

And when I express my sincere appreciation to councilman munder for being here today, he's.

D

Been a wealth of information for us, we're very grateful for the town council to have you here.

D

I'm very grateful for the developers putting these proposals out here. This is critical for.

D

My constituents to see they want access to it. I want to appreciate the work of director.

D

Libra and his staff, and most of all, I want to express my appreciation to my colleagues here.

D

That so often we get attacked on these issues as if we're cavalier about this.

D

We are far far from cavalier about this we're putting a lot of thought process in this.

D

I very much appreciate president rossi going over the timeline.

D

And commissioner lance mentioned, this is going back to 2010. we're not just pulling.

D

This out of the hat at the last minute that we're putting a lot of thought and process into this.

D

And I look forward to the hearings and hear more from the people and I'm in a bit of a pickle.

D

Here this is my district and I'm very grateful that my my colleagues helped me with this issue.

D

But I have constituents that live within the town proper itself and out in the county and.

D

Their opinions seem to collide and somehow or another, we're going to find a compromise in this.

D

And I don't think everyone on either side is going to be happy but somehow or another we're going to.

D

Have to bring this to a close, and the transparency has been mentioned before is paramount. I look.

D

Forward to working with the town and my colleagues and letting the public know what all is going on.

D

Before we make our final decision so I'll disclose a big special thank you to everyone involved.

D

Okay, commissioner weaver nothing, commercial wins. I think that's right. I just think we need to get.

F

This meeting as soon as possible, okay meeting with us, the town and the developers all in the.

F

Same room public comment as soon as possible, and you know we'll see what happens after that. Yep and.

B

Out of respect both of these exactly concept plans too, we need to do this like yesterday, and that's.

A

Actually, what I was going to share gentlemen, I do appreciate you both being here. Listening to this.

A

Discussion, I know um you would like to have had partaken in this. uh It's just not in the right.

A

Timing, but you will have that opportunity as we move forward um as you should, because neither.

A

One of these is going to be thrown out. You know um this is county property and we have to do what's.

A

In the best interest, as shared for our county and our community to include mount airy right, so, okay.

A

So no decisions have been made on this, except for guidance uh on a way forward is that okay.

A

Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you for moving on to uh citizen services.

A

uh Applying for a block grant celine.

A

Where is celine speckle she's coming in.

D

Hello, I didn't know you were here.

B

You could have snuck out hello, miss celine got lunch, you would have known that's the problem.

A

Let's talk about uh fy 2022 community development block grant for special projects at the ccysb. No.

D

Easels and boards for you, we left them in the hall we're going to bring them in in a minute.

D

Please don't so good morning, commissioners, I'm celine stackle, the director of citizen.

X

Services- and this is lynn, davis, she's, the executive director of the youth service bureau.

X

Here in carroll county- and we are here before you this morning- to recap- to request approval.

X

For the development of a cdbg special project application and to proceed to public hearing.

X

The youth service bureau would like to apply for community development block grant funds um so that.

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They can conduct a feasibility study to have an expansion to their building of 10 000 square feet.

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So that they can add additional programming and staff office space for their services, that they.

X

Provide the total cost that they are applying for, for the federal grant would be thirty. Two thousand.

X

Eight hundred dollars the cash match that um the ysb would provide would be twenty one hundred.

X

Dollars the county cash match would be no no commitment, but we would provide 105 dollars of.

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In-Kind staff support from my office from our fiscal staff to help with the financial side of.

X

The project for a total cost of thirty five thousand and five dollars. um I do wanna turn.

X

It over to lynn, though so she can talk to you a little bit about the programs that.

X

They provide and their history and what this office space would do for them, and the process.

X

Thank you, lynn, davis, executive, director of carroll, county youth service bureau.

W

And um as celine said we're here today to go for, I guess in the cdbg world it's a small kind of.

W

Grant but it will permit us to do a feasibility study to add the square footage to our agency.

W

Certainly, I know you're all pretty familiar with us, but we offer.

W

Substance use as well as mental health counseling to all ages of people.

W

With varied and sundry concerns that they come to us with, as well as provide numerous programs for.

W

Carroll, county public schools, department, juvenile services and the department of social services.

W

This, uh the ten thousand square foot addition that we would like to add uh will primarily be.

W

For um our assertive community treatment program, which serves our folks with schizophrenia and very.

W

Serious depression: this is an in community grant, but one couple of things we'd like to offer add.

W

To in this edition would be possibly an area for showers and an area for people to do their laundry.

W

What our staff has found that many times they are in the cold, lined up 15, deep.

W

Trying to get showers at shepherd staff and it's awful for our clients and it's.

W

Really uncomfortable for our staff as well. We'd also like to have a little kitchen where we can.

W

Teach people functional skills, you know cooking and um and cleaning and all those important things.

W

That um some of our folks just don't, have the ability to do we're also going to house in that.

W

Our connecting youth program, which is for kids 16 to 24 years of age and who aren't working.

W

And aren't in school, so that would be a a place for them as well. We'd also like to add a bigger.

W

A larger conference room, if we can ours is just maxed out even with our staff, but we also offer.

W

That that space to any people in the community, so it's often used by cal county public schools as.

W

Well as some businesses or anyone who calls us and wants to use it so so those are the things.

W

Primarily that will go in this additional building, we're looking to make it contiguous to the.

W

Existing building so that we won't need any more front office staff or hvac can be connected.

W

So hopefully reduce some of the costs by having it connected to our building. We also have a very nice.

W

Lunchroom that we feel like all the staff from both sides can use so I'll. Do a tour to lunchroom.

W

That's right so um yeah! So that's what we want to do and this feasibility study will last about six.

W

Months I'm told it will be able to retrieve any information that we have to make an existing plan.

W

Going forward, it will provide us with a study just a preliminary study on our stormwater management.

W

Any kind of geotechnical investigations that might need to be done and it'll also prepare a layout.

W

To to provide us with the scope of work that needs to be done, what the acreage would be and.

W

Really any plants moving forward. So that's what we're looking at- and these are been talking.

W

About this for a few years- and of course you know things got in our way, but I think we're ready now.

W

We already have a very large grant in with the department of health and mental hygiene.

W

And we will hear from that after the legislative session this year, but we've we've moved through.

W

Both of the initial processes processes- and we are now it's going to be presented- be go to.

W

Management and budget with this legislative session.

D

Ms davis, you do very noble work and I appreciate you mention the fact that we have a percentage.

D

Of a population that suffers from mental illness that so often you hear from people- oh they're, just.

D

Lazy people- they don't want to work that these are people who've been afflicted with mental.

D

Health conditions that actually prevents them from having a career and it's their compassion.

D

As a community to help these individuals, have you seen an uptick in the demand over the last.

D

Year and a half how big of a strain has it been on you, and will this potentially be sufficient enough.

D

To meet your projected demeans, um we're hoping it's going to be large enough. Yes, we've seen a.

W

Little bit of an uptake uptick in the last couple years, certainly lots of more referrals with this.

W

Particular population we're only allowed to serve 100 and we're at 95 right now. So, additionally, what.

W

This will do this will allow us to add a mobile treatment team to really be able to house it.

W

We did a bond bill this year that that built in our our sun porch or whatever it was so now. That's.

W

A room that's going to allow us to to start the process of building the mobile treatment team, but.

W

um But that will be another team that will be able to serve the the seriously and.

W

Persistently mental ill folks, um but no it's it's a chemical imbalance. That's truly how.

W

You know how we in the field believe it and that's how doctors who prescribe for it believe it and.

W

You know people don't normally want to be homeless or to be this sick as they are, and not only can.

W

They not work, they can't function on a daily basis, so the assertive community treatment is truly.

W

An amazing program that consists of a psychiatrist, nursing staff, housing people, employment, specialist.

W

A therapist and they make mini teams to support each and every person who is on.

W

That who is on our client list they meet every single morning and go through all 95 people.

W

To see where they are, what they need, what we need to schedule. Doctors, appointments whatever.

W

They are so in tuned with this population, and you said compassion. I mean our folks on this.

W

When this particular staff would often take people's clothes home and wash them at their homes,.

W

So we want to move a step up from that into a little bit more professional level where people.

W

Where people can come and learn to do their own laundry and learn to you know cook for themselves.

W

And learn to do all the things that they want to do, and this also actually takes a stress off.

D

For a law enforcement correctional facility, you can't just lock these people up, which is much.

D

More expensive and doesn't address the core issues they're faced with yes and and this team actually.

W

Has a very good relationship with carroll hospital center with the emergency room and if one of our.

W

Clients, they know the names of our clients, uh you know and if one of our clients come.

W

In the emergency room, they're gonna call us first and they're going to be. You guys have a network.

W

Yep and then we're going to go up there and we're going to we're going to work to stabilize.

W

That person and often they don't need to be in an emergency room so yeah and I've seen people with.

D

Age developmental health issues you have someone has a a wonderful productive life and if something.

D

Happens mentally trauma or whatever, and then it deteriorates it's gut-wrenching to see it happen.

D

I've seen it happen yep, so I'm very grateful you guys have the compassion for this. With that, I.

D

Move that the board of commissioners approved the development of the cdbg special projects.

D

Application and proceed to public hearing, so okay got a motion about a second any further discussion.

A

Why does it have to go to public hearings? Is that just the way it is or what that's a requirement of.

X

Cdbg funding. Okay, that's interesting! I mean you already have all your ducks in a row. I.

B

Don't even know why we need a feasibility study. That sounds like that's a six month delay to me.

B

But I guess that's the way it works with the grants so, and I can say to you that.

W

It's it's county land. So we'll come to you at some point and ask you you know: I'd give.

B

It to you now, if I had to I mean I mean why that's why it's a delay here that I think is.

W

It's all the you know all the regulations and to make sure everything's, okay, but.

W

um You know and then it uh the land that we'd like sits on robert moton elementary school, so.

W

So again, that's a process and the school system has asked us how much land do you need. So in.

W

Order to be able to tell them def, you know with a definite answer. You got to do a feasibility study.

W

Yeah so, but thank you yeah well just always seems to we hear this all the.

B

Time well we're going to do this, but we need to do a feasibility study first, okay, clearly.

B

You need it what's unfeasible about that state requirement. uh It did this process.

B

Some of these processes and procedures- just whatever talk to mr brooks you can change those.

E

Apparently I can mr timber and uh mr edward mealey will probably have a conversation at some point.

W

About the transfer, okay, just venting! Sorry! No. I appreciate I appreciate the vent because I think.

A

It's the sentiment of all of us and saying the same. You provide a solution to a lot of.

A

You know things that are out there, problems that are out there and you're part of the curriculum.

A

uh Circa circle of they're part of care circle, but also through our local management board. They.

X

Have funding that comes down through our local management boards, community partnership agreement.

A

Are you a member of the local management board of what the local management board? No? um I was.

W

But I had to terminate uh you could only stay on for so long and then I went off and then went back.

W

On again and now, I'm off again, but we do have um a member of our staff, that's part of the local.

D

Management board, yes- and this helps our veteran community as well right, correct, absolutely, okay,.

A

I got a motion. I got a second from someone uh any other further discussion, all in favor all right.

A

Thank you so much. Ladies. Thank you thank you for all you do. Thank you. It's it's rewarding work.

W

Thank you, okay, looking forward to the tour the lunchroom.

A

Mr ripper, let's talk about microsoft, office 365 and exchange subscriptions.

A

Wow with a hefty price tag.

N

Morning, commissioners, good morning, sir good morning, again, commissioners, um we are here this.

K

Morning again to ask your approval to award the renewal of the microsoft office 365 and exchange.

K

Subscriptions to shi international in the amount of two hundred and six thousand eight hundred and.

K

Seventy eight dollars and fifty six cents this purchase is being made through the maryland state.

K

Contract um we did. I asked for a quote from the previous vendor, who was cdw and failed to respond.

K

This amount is within the project budget, so we should not be asking for any additional funds.

K

And any questions I'll turn it over to mark morning. This is the product that.

N

Everybody in the county uses it's the microsoft word excel: email, powerpoint,.

N

um Teams for meetings- all of that, um so it is an annual subscription. um This price is set for three.

N

Years so each year I'll be coming back to you for the same 206 878.56. um But it is a three-year.

N

Contract that we have on this particular price, so it'll stay steady rather than going up.

A

Okay, gotta, have it yeah any questions or discussion on this I'll make the most of the.

F

Board of commissioners to prove the renewal of the microsoft office, 365 and exchange description to.

F

Shi international, in the amount of two hundred and six thousand eight hundred and seventy eight.

F

Dollars and fifty six cents, a second okay, I have a motion. I have a second a discussion on this.

A

Scene here, none all in favor all right. Thank you. Thank you, commissioners. Absolutely! Okay. Now, let's.

A

Talk about purchasing a john deere 544 papadash tier loader. This is exciting. Yes, you got photos.

Y

I have a print out picture of one if you want to see an animated version.

C

I'm like a little kid again, commissioners, we are here to ask your approval to approve a purchase of.

K

One john deere 544 free tier 4 wheel, four wheel, drive loader from jessico, incorporated in the.

K

Amount of 183 539 dollars, 31 cents. This purchase is being made through a source well contract, which.

K

Was competitively bid and again it's within the budget, and so no additional funds should be needed.

K

And I will turn it over to reed for any questions, so, commissioners, this loader would.

Y

Be a replacement for the department of solid waste, it will be replacing a 2009 john deere, 544 loader.

Y

With about 14 000 hours on it, that loader will be sent to auction, and I would like to mention.

Y

That the bureau chief of solid waste, mr cliff engel he is present today.

Y

He can give you a little insight as to what this machine will be used for at the landfill.

D

Bring the berry to bodies. Is that what you all use it from? That's the excavator.

Z

It digs deeper well good morning, commissioners, uh thank you. It's good to see everybody! um The.

Z

John deere loader, essentially the loaders at the landfill, are used for a multitude of tasks from.

Z

Operating at the yard, waste area to packing material at the homeowner trash and recycling.

Z

Drop-Off areas serving as for excavation of soils in the bar area, loading dump trucks, et cetera,.

Z

They also are used to push snow at the facility and anywhere else that we could. You know if we.

Z

Need to move off site to take them to uh so this one would be, in addition to, I believe it's a 2015.

Z

Which those two then would make up our primary loader fleet at the facility.

G

Y

And some refreshing good news on this piece of equipment is that we'll have it by next month.

Y

Wow, this is very unusual. Yeah yeah we found out. We've got a good, we don't want to steal yourself.

Y

If we don't act now and purchase it, we might have to wait another year to get one so.

E

Commissioners approved the purchase of one john deere 544p tier four uh for four-wheel drive.

E

Loader from jessico in the amount of 183 539 dollars, couldn't knock 31 cents off. Second, okay, I.

A

Got a motion got a second any discussion on this yeah hurry up, yeah; okay, all in favor all right.

B

Go get it go. Thank you absolutely. Thank you all very much get a picture. I want.

D

To go get a photo. I definitely want a photo of the crew that works with. I want to get.

D

Their face up with the equipment, so thank you. Okay, let's talk about uh replacing a.

A

Failing storm water drainage system uh located between 267 2679, wallston road.

A

Gentlemen, good morning, good morning morning, commissioners, so uh jim cook, our bureau of chief.

AA

Roads operations- and uh I are here before you this morning- to seek your approval to use the term.

AA

Contract to replace a 30 inch by 122 foot, long uh section of corrugated metal pipe, which is a drain.

AA

Located near 2677, wallston road through our aggressive management and looking around as.

AA

We've told you on the past our area, roads, chiefs, pay particular attention and actually one of them.

AA

Located this problem, where we had some settlement in the road upon further investigation, we were.

AA

Able to find a sinkhole off the road in the area of the outfalls of this pipe, and we need to take.

AA

Action to have this pipe replaced so stan balls has submitted a quote for us. Nine thousand one.

AA

Hundred and twenty dollars they do have a term contract with the county and uh funding is in.

AA

Place in the current budget for this work, if you have any questions specifically regarding the work.

AA

Have both jim and kathy burts here in the room? Well, I know that commissioner lance's district.

D

Got hit hard with flooding did a lot of damage? Is this in his district as well? No, no! It's yours.

D

In my north, the northern end of my district, it's uh yeah yeah, it's right off, 26, okay, I'll.

D

I'll get out there with you and take a look at it. Just make sure you're not pouring concrete.

D

With that, I moved that the board of commissioners approved the bureau of roads operations to use.

D

Sandball ink to replace the failing, stormwater drain system pipe located between 2677.

D

And 2679 boston, road for twenty nine thousand one hundred twenty dollars.

D

Second I'll buy you lunch. I got a motion. I got a second any uh discussion on this. Just a question.

F

For to replace this one are you gonna have to dig up the old pipe and put the new pipe in yes,.

F

So you don't can't put the liner in it at all. Okay, all right! Thank you. Okay, anything further, seeing.

A

Here, none all in favor aye all right. Thank you. Commissioners have a good day. I know you guys have.

D

Been extremely busy fought at rain and washing things out. So thanks to you guys and your crews.

D

For everything you do there's a lot of people out there in the field behind the scenes doing.

D

That work that we don't even get to see so please send them their appreciation. We'll do. Thank you.

A

Okay, now we need to request.

A

A resolution to make a budget transfer from the reserve for contingencies to facilities.

A

Regarding north carol high school morning, commissioners good morning, as you are aware, the.

P

County entered into a purchase agreement for the former north carol high school building to be sold.

P

On or before june the 30th we were previously before you, or we were before you previously.

P

For a budget transfer to get us through to the uh september 30th deadline uh that is today.

P

uh My understanding is, the property is now scheduled to be closed on sometime.

P

Mid december, so we are requesting another budget transfer for three months to get us through that.

P

Time for a hundred and twenty thousand dollars, which is forty thousand dollars per month for.

P

Upkeep and maintenance utility bills, those type things.

A

Okay, any uh discussion: this is a tough one because it's been extended. We know that.

B

Another one of these got to be done things it's kind of like.

D

The harrison laser property it just keeps going.

B

Could we save any money jason if I sent weaver over there on his.

B

Tractor commissioner frasier, would you like to make the money cost you more.

C

This is yours,.

E

Approved resolution number 0-22.07, a budget transfer 120 000 from reserve.

E

For contingencies to the department of public works bureau for facilities for operation.

E

And maintenance expenses, former north carolina high school building for the months of october.

E

Through december 2021., I hope it doesn't last that long. Second, okay, I got a motion. I have a.

A

Second, from commissioner wants: okay any further discussion that was a very reluctant second.

D

Yeah, I'm with you, I can't blame you. Okay, all in favor, aye, aye aye. Five. Thank you.

A

Thank you. Good luck. Okay, let's go run away. Oh man, okay, yeah! I know sometimes it's painful. It's like.

E

Okay, I do not believe we have any uh buddy on the line for public comment. Is that correct matt? That.

AA

Is correct, sir okay and nobody in the room for public comment open admin? Do we have any before.

A

Well, we have a motion to approve the minutes from uh closed session on september 23rd. Second,.

A

Had to do with land acquisition, okay, you see the discussion on this. Oh yeah, that one.

B

There's a lot of discussion, but not yeah.

A

All in favor, aye, aye, okay, um any uh discussion for open admin from anyone. I have one quick thing. I.

O

Was asked earlier today about a proclamation for the community college for their recognition as an.

O

Excellent school within the state, and um we will be having a joint meeting with the community.

O

College board on november 16th in the afternoon, uh and we will have the proclamation for them at.

H

That time, that's great okay, that'd be great. Thank you sounds like a plan. That's over there too right.

H

Yes, yeah, we were invited there yeah it's an away game. It is an away game. Okay, miss wanda! Why don't.

A

You come on up and let's talk about agendas the week about october, 4th and october 11th.

A

October, 4th, we have nothing october 5th, commissioner. Lance will be attending actually will.

A

Be a virtual shock trauma board of visitors board meeting then it'll be a ribbon cutting at 9 00 a.m.

A

Where we all will be attending at the hampstead water wastewater treatment plant wednesday.

A

Commissioner, lance will be attending the fourth annual alcohol retailer training seminar.

A

There's no uh participation in that is there just asking just asking it's early in the morning.

A

Thursday, we have open session beginning at 9 00 a.m. um Let's see, oh that's right, we'll.

A

Have uh mako coming in with uh mr sanderson and mr uh levengood, the uh mako president.

A

And mako executive director share with us their thoughts for about an hour. Then we will have a.

A

Public comment on chapter 51, which is the sewer and water code of public laws and ordinances.

A

We have to do something about this draft thing, because it's hard to read between them.

H

uh Yeah then we will have public comment on request. Well, excuse me: request approval to.

A

Hire contingent senior center senior center floater positions from citizen services.

A

Request: approval to hire a contingent housing specialist.

A

Again from citizen services, updated ms4, stormwater, permit memorandum, agreement with municipalities.

A

Land resource management, mr hein, will be presenting and.

A

Request approved transfers from community self-help uh programs in parks and rec for uh fall.

A

Of 2021 mr deggetts will be presenting, it sounds like everybody pretty much got what they wanted.

A

Before that, which is cool, commissioner weaver will be attending a eagle scout.

A

Ceremony on saturday and hold your horses I'll be doing the podcast on sunday.

A

Looking forward to that, oh absolutely, I'm gonna have to get up in the morning to hear that one.

F

Yeah, I may have to get up I'll, send it to you directly. What time is that twenty seven times.

B

I wanna get up at seven a.m and listen to do again. Yeah right. Okay, thanks, okay, until rudely.

A

Interrupted, I will continue on monday october 11th. The county offices will be closed in an observance.

A

For columbus day, why? Because it says it on here counting closed in observance of columbus, columbus.

B

Got lost and he was drunk most of the time and we have a day for him. Wasn't he like the bahamas.

A

Or somewhere down there yeah he got lost, the dude got lost and he and he he was drunk half the time.

N

As a former grand knight of the saint bartholomew's knights of columbus.

C

I'm deeply offended by those you can't even finish the statement.

A

He needs another voice. Okay, okay, then there'll be an ag center board me, which I'll be attending on.

A

Tuesday evening on wednesday I will be attending uh a formula alliance, uh key leader series, and I.

A

Believe, uh congressman ruppersberger, along with the deputy director of nsa, will be. uh You know.

A

Doing like a fireside chat, so I'm looking forward to that fireside chat yeah one of those things for.

B

The record it's not on here from wednesday october, the 13th through friday october, the 15th I will be.

B

Away with the baltimore metropolitan council for their annual chesapeake connect trip to to philly.

B

Philadelphia, I know uh the county administrator allegedly will be going along on that trip.

B

As will the director of planning linda eisenberg, okay and we're also taking just for the record for.

B

You guys to know we, uh I invited uh the new economic development director from tonytown.

B

I think that's going to be good for him to get the networking jay michi, so he's going along too so.

B

We'll be in philly for three days: you've been to independence hall, yet not recently. Well all right.

D

You've been before make sure you get them get a good cheesesteak yeah I hit the I hit the liberty.

B

Bell when I was there and it cracked, oh you're, the one who did it yeah see well, you know they've been.

H

Looking for you, sorry, god didn't mean to lie, I'm just I'm waiting. It's it's a history, nerd paradise.

A

Okay: okay, it depends on thursday october 14th.

A

What are we doing? um Public hearing on feasibility study, ccysb, no they're coming back to us.

H

That will be the public hearing. What's that? That's the public here that is the public hearing. Okay,.

A

Then approve uh trailblazer route changes.

A

From dpw we'll look at uh the college pass fare increase from again dpw.

A

And then we will approve the cts safety plan from dpw. I expect this list to grow on later. That.

A

Evening at 6 00 p.m. We have the carroll county land trust dinner, where commissioner frazier and.

A

I will be attending operations and commissioner weaver will be attending you'll be gone.

A

Nothing saturday, we all will be attending the.

A

75 000, acre, preserved and growing celebration also um at 10 a.m. So the the this.

A

When is the presentation happening on this uh twelve thirty, I believe it's happening at 12.

A

30. right so at 10 am I am attending a uh a portrait unveiling at the national guard bureau.

A

The freedom readiness center, whose portrait jim wilson- oh I'm, not sure, um I know where there's.

E

um uh 300 acres close to mount airy could go in that preservation. Program. Add to it.

D

Wanda, I just checked my schedule I'll be attending the land trust dinner as well. Thank you. Okay. Okay,.

A

Is there anything else for the good of the order for the good of the group.

A

uh We do not have closed. We have the opportunity to adjourn. Do I hear a motion to adjourn so move.

A

Is your second second, all in favor.

A

Stick around well, it's only 20 after I'm going to say no all in favor aye.

B