Carroll County, MD Board of County Commissioners Open Sessions, 23 Sep 2021

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Long session this morning, uh so we're gonna get right to it. As always, let's stand for the.

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Pledge of allegiance and take a moment of.

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I pledge silence to the united states of america and to the republic for which it.

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Stands one nation, under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Okay, I'll tell you, I don't know about all of you. I love that pledge.

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Let's start with priority carol with district three commissioner fraser great place to start.

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That was a fast pitch. What so, what I give kiss couple things uh it just seems like this happened.

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A long time ago, but on my calendar, the maryland wine festival just this past saturday and sunday.

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Pretty well attended, uh you know coming back from um from the cove it's still around, and so.

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Forth pretty well attended, I was there and I have to say you know you don't have to drink wine to.

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Enjoy the wine festival, I don't drink alcohol. I was here with friends and we had a great time was.

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One bad thing about saturday was extremely hot. I only stayed for a few hours because.

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The heat kind of got to me, I'm not as old as weaver, but it did get to me.

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And uh so I'd like to bring you into all the conversations commissioner weaver, but I thought.

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It was very well attended a lot of great things. I also attended to say no to dope walk that morning.

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And I I heard there's about 300 people walking, I'm not sure the exact number, but that's the.

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Number I heard I know when we were walking down main street there's a couple blocks of.

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People walking and what this walk is for is to help to support the people that are in recovery.

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And if you're in recovery and I've mentioned this many times, my son is recovering addict.

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You need all support you can get. You really do. There's there's just.

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So many things point at you every day to try to make you go back to the ways that that.

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Got you into trouble basically, so anything I can do to support this group of recovering people.

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Is is what I'll do and so to say no to dope walk was there, and there was also a.

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Softball game after the walk, I didn't stay for the game. I don't know who wine.

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Oh okay, [ __, ] boss. I didn't know that I'd bring it up because the sheriff's sitting in the.

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Audience: okay, I heard it was a bad call and I'm just kidding, but there was a softball game and so.

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Forth so I was, it was a really good event and very well attended. um Also just want to mention this so.

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We'll probably do something else for this carroll community college number, one community college.

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Ranked number one community college in the state of maryland and top ten nationwide kudos goes.

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Out to come to carroll community college, and that's all I have okay. Thank you, commissioner.

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Boucher, thank you very much. I must start off by thanking commissioner frazier for supporting that.

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Walk and it's honestly about what his family has been through, my family has been through it.

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As well, and that is how we get to a solution on this- a dennis from my heart, thank you very much.

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uh Also, what do we have? Mr swam? Oh here we go. I did a tour of mount airy net. This is a non-profit.

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That does food and assistance distribution in the community. They said that since covet had started.

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They helped over 280 families within mount airy. We have in this photo on. The left, is sue varus.

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The director of the facility and on the right side is laura hagenball. She is a president of nonprofit.

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They put together a board of directors and they're relocated recently, and this is wendy.

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Peters, a lot of us recognize her. She was a former council member mount airy and now she serves.

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Governor hogan, as secretary of special special secretary of smart growth, but she does this on.

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Her own time, this is not something she does for the state. This is because her.

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Passion and love with the community, her father owns wagner's butcher shop, the facility there so.

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She's had a background in food, so this was right up their alley. Getting food distribution to the.

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Community and I want to sincerely thank all those people in our community- it just shows how quality.

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Air community is that we come forward and help those in need. So thank you very much, mr swan. What.

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Else do we have? Oh, I did a tour of colonial pipeline, which is in the woodbine area. This.

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Operation was so impressive on the far right side is chip little. He is the director of government.

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Relations for the entire corporation, this pipeline runs from louisiana all the way up to new york.

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And here in their county is northeast distribution center. It's quite an impressive operation.

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And I'll state that when mr little first contacted me, he just wanted to do a face-to-face meeting.

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And I expressed to him my concern as a commissioner representing that area is.

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What safety mechanisms they have in place to protect their community- and I was very much.

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Impressed with the operation, they have the secured perimeter, the fire suppression systems, there's.

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A lot of liability they have and they do everything they can to address it, and they.

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Express that they set up partnerships with law enforcement and all the local fire departments.

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To make sure they're all on the same page, if god willing, we want to make sure nothing happens, but.

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If it does that, we have all the partners in place to help us out so a special thanks to colonial.

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Pipeline and being good neighbors and partners in our county, so thank you very much, mr swan.

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Anything else, thank you. Okay, thanks, commissioner lance district one good morning, good morning, we.

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Save and we were till the end, huh I'm the end. Oh, that's right. uh A little wet outside.

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Here's my public safety announcement for today, you had to put little in there no a little way.

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Got a lot of roads closed. I know that there was a challenge with the school system this morning.

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So uh you know it's it's. uh The weather's very unpredictable lately seems like when it rains it.

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Just doesn't it isn't like it used to be when it rains it just goes down and it all comes it. One.

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Time so build an arc. You wanna we'll talk about global warming, we'll put that on next week's.

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Agenda, I don't know when, when the green scenes get wet, yes, they do yeah. So there's that too. So anyway,.

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uh Our folks are out and about uh luckily, I think the uh the scanner has been really quiet with.

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Accidents etc. So we're thankful for that, but we've got a lot of our county roads. uh Folks.

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Out with road closures tree down the trees down et cetera so shout out to them, they've been out.

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A good portion of the night as a result of that fall fest is supposed to start tonight in.

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Westminster so we'll see, I think when this gets out of here it's supposed to be a nice weekend.

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So hopefully the folks here in town can get that um going. That's mainly outside.

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So in these, uh in the uptick of covet that we're seeing and we are seeing it- I had a middle school.

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In my district that had to close for the last two days as a result of high numbers.

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So certainly we are nowhere near out of this, yet so got to continue to remind folks to.

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Continue to utilize the best practices attended a ton of meetings over the last week, just a.

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Couple of them attended with some of the legislators in annapolis, the next gen 911.

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Working on that, even though I'm not officially on the commission, it seems like my phone rings, a lot.

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uh So working with senator kagan from montgomery county on that and our own delegate, susan krebs.

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As well so there's some issues coming up with that centering around 3-1-1 and the need or not.

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Whether we need that or not so there's going to be more to come on that.

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Attended a really good planning commission meeting again on tuesday.

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We've got a great planning commission and a lot of those things that we talked about on tuesday.

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Will be coming to our level so we'll be discussing that later. But I want to give a shout out to the.

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Volunteers that serve on that. And if you are interested in boards and commissions and serving.

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Here in the county, here's the commercial on our website we've got a lot of openings.

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We're always looking for good folks to serve on our on our boards and commissions. uh Also.

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Attended the uh aging and disabilities uh meeting yesterday, I think yeah yesterday.

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And uh good things happening there and, of course, a lot of it centered around the fact that we.

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Had a very positive seniors on the go expo, so you know there's a lot going on over there. So.

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And then, finally, uh I believe it's this saturday, uh our carroll county, hazmat team, will be.

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Performing uh training at the landfill whenever something occurs at the landfill that you're.

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Not typically used to it can get a little interesting up there, so there you'll probably see.

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Some activity at the landfill with some emergency equipment just keep in mind. It's training. We put a.

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Press release out about it, but it's always good to ensure that folks know that there is and there it.

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Is right there look at that boom right there, so uh they'll be they'll, be doing that on saturday. So.

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Sunday, saturday sunday there there's um training, but it's uh on saturday, but it's at the public.

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Safety training center and it's just classroom sunday night; okay, we're good okay! So in case you.

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See something in case you see something going on at the landfill on sunday, they'll become alarmed.

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So that's how I got it this morning. Okay, thanks, commissioner uh weaver um just want to piggyback.

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On commissioner wayne, so I think there's what 32 or 34 boards and commissions that we have.

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Under the commissioners, so if people want to volunteer to serve in the county.

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Look at the list see where you fit in, because there's a lot of boards and commissions.

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uh On the wine festival, they did a great job shout out to the sheriff's department for the.

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People on duty, the great job I was there for a little bit sunday.

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uh And those guys had everything under control very calm, except for you, everything well.

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Everything was under control yeah. It was a very good day traffic. Everything handled extremely well.

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One of the things seniors on the go: the elks have a grant for a tablet to all veterans.

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That are in nursing homes or in care, and they are out uh dealing with all the.

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uh I guess nursing homes in the area that veterans would get these tablets free.

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To stay in communication with family and friends um so uh kudos to them for uh pretty.

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Putting together this grant and dealing with our veterans there uh at the veterans.

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Advisory council uh commissioner rothschild russ team. I was there, I'm sorry push-ups.

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Anyway, uh I'm gonna: let him talk about the vehicles, the change here a little bit, but.

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um One of the things uh really impressed me: the 38 million 745 937 uh from compensation and.

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Pensions coming back to kell county to our veterans, since we've had the onset of this.

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Committee, so this is a lot of money coming back.

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To the veterans in carroll county and into carroll county and lastly, I did attend the american legion.

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Never forget mia pow, candlelight vigil, and that was really a moving experience this year. They.

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Went over and beyond and they had a special set up for the 13 who were killed in afghanistan and.

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They did a tremendous job this year, so that commissioner rosty put your hand out there.

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Okay, a couple of things.

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Not to be a broken record over time, cobin 19 is still with us uh continuing best practices.

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Are very, very important for our community. I don't mean to be preaching or trying to be on pulpit, but.

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You know you lead by example, and uh you know the the proven facts that I believe uh I've seen are.

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Dealing with the vaccines and um doing everything we can do to minimize the spread of cobit 19.

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Which is going to be here a long long time it sounds like, and uh just let's do the best we can.

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The other thing I've shared social media and we've all had this conversation prior social media is a.

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Great venue for sharing pictures of anniversaries and birthdays and highlighting events, and also.

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Sometimes, being a catalyst for discussion, but to further that discussion, where you want.

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uh The county and us as commissioners to have dialogue it's best to reach out to us directly.

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Via email or phone call we're all, I believe, extremely receptive to that, and uh it allows.

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Us to do the homework needed that you deserve the due diligence that you deserve, uh where we.

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Can reach out to our staff and our team to get a holistic answer for you, as opposed to going back.

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And forth back and forth, so I uh I applaud those that do reach out to us. It may not be the answers.

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You want that's okay, but it allows us to you know, do the work necessary um and I know the sheriff.

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Being as he and I talk a lot about this, you know on things that come up on social media. That may be.

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A catalyst for an issue and then we start working together on coming up with an answer. um Let's see.

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Talked about lots of things in applauding again, I can't applaud too much for citizen services. They.

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Just do an amazing job, uh but I don't want to make them feel too good about everything. So, since she's.

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Right here but celine you and your team are just rock stars uh and speaking of rock star, I am going.

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To share a proud dad moment, as it's always fun to do. You know you know. I have two kids, emily and sam.

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Sam is playing football, and I could share a proud moment about how well he's playing.

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And he is doing very well up in pennsylvania, but uh the the activity I want to share which to me.

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Is a carroll county? um You know why carroll county is carroll county. He was driving uh back to his.

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Apartment from uh practice and a car uh broke down, uh the the rim fell and it was a flat tire. It was.

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A softball coach, the woman uh was a softball coach and he stopped by and said. How can I help and.

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The lug wrenches didn't work and all these other coaches, all these other folks were coming by and.

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They didn't have the right tools available. uh One said I can go, get you the right tools. It'll, take.

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About 30 minutes and the coach she told sam. Thank you so much for stopping doing everything you can.

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You can leave and I'll just wait, 30 minutes and he looked at her and said: there's no way I can leave.

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My you know just think what my mother and father would say. If I left you right now and uh he stayed.

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And you know they took care of the tire and it's not just mother and father, but it's.

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Carroll county and that's what we do and I've heard lots of those stories here in carroll.

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County, how people just stop and they take care of carroll countians. You know that are in need.

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Whether it's a car broken down or pop-up, pantries or everything else, so that was just on my mind. I.

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Just want to share that with you this morning with that, I think we have a very long agenda, so I don't.

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Want to take any more time and let's get right into item one which is getting a public comment on.

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Organization, design and compensation study bid approval and I know uh we have roberta.

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Miss frock, our director of human services and mr zolewsky from management and.

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Budget uh roberto did you want to start this maureen? So I think maureen. If you don't mind.

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Usually maureen and ted, and then you know you're the next contestant I'm on there. So as we I forgot.

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My failure to ride maureen on the list of attendees for this item. Forgive me.

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Good morning, commissioners morning, um we are here to request your approval to award a contract for.

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A compensation classification and organizational design study to sigel waters, consulting carroll.

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County will be piggybacking. The montgomery college contract that was competitively bid.

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And awarded to siegel consulting and if you have any questions I can hopefully answer them, but.

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If not I'll turn it over to roberta and kim ted, if you have any questions, it will be a two-step.

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Process to move money and then to right provide the grant. If we desire to do so. Okay, so ted, you.

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Want to talk to us about where this money may come from his pockets, not really but half genuine.

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um So the board may remember that staff came back in august on the 26th.

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To discuss the possibility of a two-pronged approach, going out to an rfp as well as looking.

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For a contract uh competitively bid contract that we could possibly use that met our needs.

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We found that contract and so we're going down we're suggesting we go down that path.

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And we'll tell you more about what what we've done in the meantime, a lot of work has has occurred.

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Between august and and today, so with that ted okay, this is going to take a little longer than.

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The typical request for concurrence, because this is far from a typical item. In fact, I'm going to.

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Say a little later, I think we're talking about a once in a generation sort of opportunity here.

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um When I go back a little bit just to refresh you on, where we've been and for others who might be.

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Listening to this, you know you heard presentations from human resources and management and budget.

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About our concerns on our ability to recruit and engage and retain employees as business.

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Items have come to you, you've heard from other directors about their concerns about getting.

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Employees and I think in casual conversation just around the organization you've heard from.

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Probably many people about concerns in different ways on this, this topic and all of you at time. One.

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Time or another have shared your concerns about what is going on and what we can do about this.

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And we talk about concerns, there's a lot of things in the mix, but just again to give people a little.

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Sense of what we're talking about you know, one is a lack of applications, we're posting jobs and.

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We're just not getting many applications, sometimes no applications where we are getting applications.

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Often they're not good applications, they're people who just aren't qualified for the job.

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Because of those things we find ourselves, reposting jobs, sometimes twice three times.

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And that's led to a growing number of jobs that we have posted until filled. Now we're not even.

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Putting a date on it, we're just saying: keep the applications coming until we find somebody.

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We're also finding a growing problem with people who are going through the entire process.

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And getting to the point where we're saying we want you to come work for carroll county.

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And they're rejecting the offer we have problems with compression one. We talked about a lot in the.

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Budget process, the mandated changes to minimum wage are creating compression with the lower end.

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Of our our pay scale, but we have compression problems in other ways. You know we know where.

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We haven't given salary increases or salary increases, have been largely devoted to colas.

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Scales move, but people don't move through the scale, meaning people are getting closer.

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And closer to each other, we have problems where sometimes you know moves to supervisory.

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Positions don't look that appealing because the amount of money they're going to get.

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For taking on the new responsibilities, just doesn't seem all that attractive.

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And we have concern about looming retirements and I use looming with intent. You know this is.

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Hanging over us, we, we know, we you've already seen quite a few people go and people who've been here.

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Done it know their stuff and now we're picking up after them, but there's there's more to come.

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uh We don't know the timing, but we know people are going to be leaving and we lose all that.

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Institutional knowledge, yes, so the board has heard all this and recognized. We have a problem and you.

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Asked us what are some solutions so, as roberta mentioned in august, you took the first step.

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You approved us issuing a request for proposals on rfp to look for a firm that could help us.

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With this, and also to seek out an existing competitively bid, contract for the same purposes,.

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We chose that parallel process because of time concerns.

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The time concerns were driven because of your desire to have this information available.

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In time for the next budget process, you know the reality of the size of this job.

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And meeting that time frame is it's not a nice neat fit and we needed all the time we could get.

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Finding an existing contract would be a shorter.

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Process than an rfp process- meaning we have more time left to do the work.

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So we issued an rfp basically in case we could not find.

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An existing contract and with the rfp, we also needed to acknowledge the possibility.

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That we might not get get bids on the entire package. Remember there's three pieces to this.

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And if it played out that way, that might mean we are working with multiple vendors.

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These things are all tightly entwined working with different vendors on different pieces of.

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This would not be how we want to do this, but that was a possibility. There was also the.

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Possibility that we would get no responsive bids- and you don't know until you until you get there.

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So, given our circumstances, our clear preference was to find an existing contract. If we could.

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Now, in doing that, need to understand, there's not some place, we can go and just say, let's see, all.

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The existing contracts, so we can work our way through them. This is more like getting to a pile.

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Of leaves and searching to try and find the leaf that you that you want, and we were working at that.

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And we had good luck. I'd say we came across a neighbor who had something that matched.

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Up well with what we wanted to try to do so. We found that contract. We came to agreement with a.

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Vendor on how we could make that work here, which is what leads us to being here today,.

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Now, after we found that contract, we pulled back the rfp.

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And we knew that these parallel processes were a less than ideal situation and we understood there.

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Was a possibility that if we found an existing contract, we could end up with an unhappy bidder.

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Who's saying wait a second, you know what about us and in fact that has happened. We have heard from.

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An unhappy bidder- and we regret that it played out that way. But you know, given the time constraints.

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We had, we just didn't see any other path forward, except to try to to go at it in two different ways.

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So again that brings us today and the request for concurrency now using an existing competitively.

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Bid contract we've worked with the vendor to agree on a scope of work that both meets our.

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Needs what are we trying to get out of this and that they are saying? Yes, we can get this done.

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In the time frame that we're talking about one thing we wanted to avoid was get an agreement.

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With somebody who says, oh yeah, we can do that and then find out that they couldn't.

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And the thing that's driving this getting this in the budget process, for you not happening so we've.

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Worked very hard to try and make sure we believe that what we're bringing to you is actually doable.

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Okay, let's study it talked about. There's three pieces: it's going to look at organizational design.

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It's going to look at classifications and it's going to look at compensation.

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These are all necessary pieces of considering that big idea, how do we attract, engage and retain.

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Employees another way to think about this, instead of in this kind of hr world talk, is we want to be.

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Looking at how we provide services, what positions do you need to provide those services and then how.

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Do you compensate the people who are doing that work as we go through this process? I want to make.

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Sure you understand we're going to be working very closely with the vendor. This is not just.

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Something they go off and and do this is going to be a lot of work for us as well. Now part of.

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This is just about providing stuff to them. We're going to need to give them data we're going to.

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Need to give them our positions, we're going to need to give them history and context to.

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Help them understand who carroll county is and how, how we work and how we got to where we are today.

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But it's also going to be about kind of evaluating where they're going. What they're finding.

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uh We can't afford to just wait to the end to say what did you figure out and then react to.

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This we want to get to the end in a position to do something about this, so we're going to be working.

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With them along the way to try and get to an end product that is going to be useful to you and to.

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The organization this is a good place to stop and emphasize an important idea. I kind of said.

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This, but I think it's so big, I want to just say it clearly again, while individuals have interest.

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In seeing their compensation go up, I don't think you find many people in the building. Who'd say.

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A raise, don't worry about it, I don't. I don't need that people keep people care, but that's.

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Not what this is about? That's not what's driving this effort from an organization point of view.

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We have concerns about our ability to provide services. That's what we're doing here, we're.

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Trying to figure out how do we continue providing the services that people expect.

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If we get your approval today, here's what the timeline will look like we'll have a kickoff.

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With segal the first week of october, uh we need to get right to work on this. We don't have any time.

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To to waste here, the work will begin with the organization design. Part of of this.

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This is looking at. How are we structured? Are there changes we should make? How do we provide services.

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Or can our processes be improved in some way? All of these questions will have implications for how.

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We classify our positions and how we compensate our positions, so this needs to be leading the way.

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If you did this in a different way, what you could come up against is you go through and.

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You figure out your classifications, then you change the organization which would.

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Mean you have to reconsider the choices you already made. We don't want to do that.

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The classification and compensation portions of this are going to look at all of our positions.

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The relationships between our positions and how our compensation.

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Compares to to the market so part of this is about how we make sure we've got it right internally, but.

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Then it's also comparing us to what's going on around us and I say a market comparison.

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Make no mistake: we are in a market we're competing for people and right now we're not competing well.

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And our competition is other local governments, but it's not just.

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Local governments we're competing against the private sector. Now there's some places where.

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We will never be able to go up against the private sector for certain positions. They're.

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Just going to pay more than we're ever going to be able to consider.

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But there are places where this is relevant to us and I'm not saying this is the only one but we're.

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Watching young, mcdonald's and walmart's and those businesses raise their their pay. That's changing.

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Our ability to attract people to some of our our jobs.

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There's just no getting around it, we have to think about. How are we going to deal with this.

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So we should have a market survey and an estimated budget impact.

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Of that in late march, which will be in time to consider for the budget process, it would.

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Be really good for us to have that information earlier than that, but we worked hard to make sure.

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That at least could be available in time to still get consideration as we go through the process.

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Much of the work will be done by the end of may again facing the realities of the time we have.

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Some of the work won't be done until the end of june. Ideally, we would have all this done in march.

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Or in february, but that's just not possible, so we're doing our best to work.

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With the realities of how much time this is going to take, and then in july, we'll come to.

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You with a series of budget transfers to take money from some holding place.

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To get it out to all the appropriate places where it would be spent now, on monday,.

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There's a cost to this. Unfortunately, we couldn't get anybody to just say: let us help charity work.

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So the cost of doing this organization, design, classification and compensation work is three.

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Hundred thousand dollars three hundred thousand dollars is a lot of money. There's.

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No getting around it, uh I believe we need to do this, and I'm gonna talk a little bit more.

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About my thinking on that, in just a second uh back to commissioner rustin's uh comment earlier.

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uh We will both need you to approve this contract for concurrence and to approve a transfer from the.

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Reserve contingencies uh to my budget, uh this had to go somewhere, there's no obvious place.

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To put it so we're just gonna put it in in my budget. Don't worry, it doesn't give me any room.

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To spend any other money that I wouldn't have spent, otherwise it just gets this study paid for.

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Now I I said earlier, I think we have a once in a generation opportunity. I've been here for 27 years.

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And we have not done anything like this, not once, and I don't know when the next time is going to be.

M

But it's not just about! We haven't done this there's there's a growing need for us to do.

M

It you know our budget, our ability to provide services have been getting squeezed for decades.

M

We were hurt in the great recession and we stabilized, but we never really.

M

Recovered you know, we've talked about some of our problems. Those problems are not going.

M

Away and in fact, they're getting worse, there are some statistics that hr shared with you.

M

Previously, we're actually seeing things worse than what we told you a month ago or.

M

Two months ago or three months ago, there's no reason to think things are going to get.

M

Better on their own you've already noted the concerns that are making their way to you.

M

And I think I can say with absolute confidence if we don't do something to change where we are.

M

Those things are still going to keep coming to you, except we're going to be dealing with them in a piecemeal way. Let's take care of this problem, then we'll take care of this problem.

M

And part of what comes out of that is every time we make one of those moves. There are implications.

M

For other parts of the organization that aren't being considered so we fix one problem, but maybe.

M

We create three other problems. This cries out, I think, for a comprehensive look and solution.

M

Now you know my concerns about our fiscal position. You know, I'm not the one sitting.

M

Here saying, don't worry, everything's, okay, and you also hear me all the time.

M

Saying we need to be careful, we need to think about the implications of what we're doing here.

M

So when I come saying that we need to spend money on this survey and then the money, that's.

M

Going to come to do something about what would come out of it, I'm not coming to the.

M

To this casually, I'm coming to you, because I deeply believe we have to do something.

M

And if we want to be able to keep providing the levels of service, the mix of services.

M

And the levels of service that we have out there if we want to keep doing that, I believe we are.

M

Going to have to do something or you're going to be faced with choices to say what do we stop doing?.

M

So that's where we've been where we are and a little bit about where we're heading.

M

We can take questions from you now if you have any uh after questions or if there are.

M

None then we'd be looking for two actions: one for concurrence on this contract and one to approve.

M

The transfer from reserve contingencies to management and budget administration, okay,.

A

Ted, thank you and well packaged in the presentation. Are there any comments or questions.

C

Zalewski, I want the public to know when you come before us and make these statements. How true and.

C

Serious, you are, I've, never heard you hyperbole anything you're, not a man of small talk and.

C

It's important for the public to understand the seriousness of this when our director of budget.

C

Comes before us and makes this recommendation to us, and I appreciate the work that you and.

C

Your staff have done director, frock administrator trader winnem. You have done a tremendous job to.

C

Get this thing moving so fast. I am thoroughly impressed that this is before us. This face.

C

That is incredible, and I want the public to know that the 300 000 in question to be allocated.

C

Is not that big in comparison to the size of the organization that we're in charge of running here.

C

It's going to take a lot of work not only from the consultant, but all your staffs to make this happen.

C

So I'm 100 behind this and I'm sincerely and humbly grateful that you've done this so fast. I'm.

C

Looking forward to a successful outcome with the work and product you produce any other comments.

A

You mentioned ted about needing the resources to working with the vendors.

A

um You believe the staff has the capacity and the resources needed or necessary.

M

It will be a stress right, but we've been talking a lot about. How do we make make this work right and.

M

This comes up in a lot of ways, but you know one thing: you know we were actually pushing.

M

On the vendor to tell us as early as possible, what are you going to need? What are you going.

M

To be looking for from us, in fact, even got to the point where we said: if you're not ready to give us.

M

The whole list give us a partial list so that we can get to work, uh putting those things together.

M

So anything we can get done today takes it off the table tomorrow and and freezes up to.

M

To handle something else, you know we have a lot of stuff going on going on. You know.

M

The pressures on hr right now are are significant. You know we look at the work, that's going on with.

M

Vista dealing with covet problems dealing with all these open positions, there's not spare time.

M

But we're we're trying to figure out how to make it happen and we'll do what we need to do.

A

Will there be tools in place to uh allow us the board of commissioners to have the insight? Maybe.

A

In a bi-monthly or monthly, uh you know just a pulse check on the activity happening because.

A

From one october to one march, we're talking six months say one june or july. You know we're only.

A

Talking eight nine months uh before a lot of decisions are to be, you know, considered.

A

And or made so making them then is gonna, be very difficult. Keeping us surprised in a bi-monthly.

A

Is that something that can be worked into the discussion we have with the vendor? No.

M

uh Yes, yeah, we had not actually talked about that, but I think that's good.

M

Yes, we can, we can arrange for some sort of periodic update on what's going on.

M

In the early months, it's going to be a lot about process, we're not going to have much.

F

In the way of of answers- and in fact you know we're talking about in late march, getting that.

M

Budget estimate from the compensation survey that might be the first kind of really hard information.

M

To offer you, but uh but yeah we can. We can talk about how to how to make some sort of um updates.

M

I I think, having clear milestones for us is gonna be important because you know for us to uh having.

A

You know the opportunity making decisions, you know it could be shell shock, you know uh at the end.

A

Of the day, so if we understand the build up and understand the milestones and decisions, you know.

A

uh Points that have been made along the way that would be, and also with that said,.

A

This, the stressors, you know I'm going to be personally and I think the rest of us.

A

Relying on roberta to share with us the stressors that it is bringing onto our staff.

A

You know, because we have a lot of work that is not going to stop. While this is still taking place.

A

And that's concerning, I uh agree uh ted. We uh over the last seven years.

K

I see places we need to adjust the way we do business and looking at our county. However, I guess.

K

Covet has really emphasized that to us and I think we're seeing the need for this and I'm going to.

K

Say at this point, uh it's it's time we actually look at the whole package. Look how we're put.

K

Together, look where we need help or we don't need help, and we can't do it internally. There's.

K

Too many people, I think tied into their own area and doing things for the right reasons.

K

But we need a comprehensive look from the outside look from the satellite down and analyze where we.

K

Are and what we're doing and we're doing well, but a lot of people were sewing. It together.

K

And patching up pieces here and there it's time to look at this whole package and do it right.

A

Yeah, the uh the only couple concerns that I have uh is the one that you brought up.

H

Making sure that we have the staff to be able to go through this, this.

H

Study number two for me: bigger, is not always better, so uh I'm a little bit challenged by.

H

The fact where, where are these folks out of and what experience do they have working with county.

H

Government uh I see that we've piggybacked on montgomery college and that sends up a flag for me.

H

Unfortunately, out of the gate, because again bigger is not better uh stronger. You know.

H

Making sure that we've got the right people in the right places is better for me.

H

But if, if someone, if a firm, comes in and says well, you got to add 15 people here and 30 people here.

H

I'm going to be hard-pressed to find that to be relevant to carroll county's, fingerprint.

H

So back to my question: where are these folks from and where and what have they done.

H

With look have they done anything with with local county? They they have uh extensive.

M

Experience they work all over the country. This contract happened to be montgomery college, but.

M

The scope of work that they were asking for matches up to us that they're providing education.

M

Or providing other services really didn't get in the way we've been working with people in their.

M

Washington dc office, but they they have people all over the country. They currently have something.

M

Like a hundred things like this going on right now, so that I mean this, this is what what they do.

M

uh We're very comfortable with their ability and knowledge and experience. You know on the bigger.

M

Is not better, you know clearly, there's no goal just to add people for the sake of adding people.

M

I'd be surprised if some recommendations don't emerge because I'm gonna say I think we know.

M

But I I feel confident in my own thinking at least that we know there are places in the organization.

M

That are understaffed and if nothing else they've been understaffed, since we went through the great.

M

Recession because we got rid of positions, didn't get rid of services and haven't corrected that.

M

But it's not just that! You know over this last decade we've added services we're doing more.

M

Than we were doing 10 years ago, some of it by choice, some of it, because some other level of.

M

Government told us we needed to and for the most part that hasn't come with new positions.

M

It's come with find a way to do it, so decisions on what we do with what we find out are still well.

F

Ahead of us right- uh and I don't want to presume what we're going to do when we, when we get there.

F

But I I'd be really surprised. If we we don't see, recommendations.

M

And- and I don't know how to play out, but I don't think it's just going to be- you know broad, you know the county needs x, numbered positions. I think we're going to be talking.

M

About if these are the services you want to offer over here, you're, probably three people.

M

Short, if you need more over here, you're a person short, I know just you know, looking at my own area.

M

I can't argue that we have enough people to do what we're supposed to do. I I know we we don't.

M

I've not gone looking for positions because I think there are other places in the organization.

M

That are even under greater stress than than my department is, but that doesn't mean it's not there.

H

Well, that's my only concern and I and I I hope that we we dive deep.

H

To ensure that that doesn't occur because in my experiences over the last seven years in this job.

H

uh Watching other jurisdictions, you know they'll march 18 people into a room that we do with two.

H

Oh, but we do it better that that's that's always the key for me. uh You know I. I love the mako thing.

H

Where there'll be there'll be 12, people walk in that are, are government liaisons? I don't know what.

H

They do but they're all there taking notes for one county, but yet there's two of us in the room.

H

And we do it better, so I don't want to lose that either so that that that will be something.

H

That I'll be watching as we move through that and at the very end of course, because.

H

Again, for me, it's just not about adding people, it might be about changing the way.

H

In which we do it- uh or you know, somebody should be doing this- that they're not doing.

H

So I'm going to be watching that greatly, because I do not want to just say.

H

Okay, we're growing government because we have to so um and then the other. The last thing that.

H

I have is, I want to make sure that the rfp process was done correctly, because I don't.

H

Want to get into a jam there, we got the email from you know. All of us got that and we've had.

H

We've had a long jam or two before with an issue or so so just want to make sure that the eyes.

H

Were dotted and t's were crossed when we had that option of oh by the way- and you explained.

H

It, but I just want to make sure that indeed it was done correctly. We've had maureen involved.

M

All the way through this- and I have to tell you no, I was just going to say my experience with rfp.

A

One I've been on the government side putting out rfps, but I've also been on a contract inside.

A

You know working to answer an rfp and sometimes rfps are canceled and what stinks is when a.

A

Business, like mine, puts money and resources into it and saying well, wait a second. You know, and some.

A

Companies put, you know, five six figures into entrepreneur, and then they cancel the.

A

Rfp, it happens, especially if there's a uh better method of I won't say expediting, but getting the.

A

um The needs met, and I think I I applaud you uh collectively um for getting the montgomery college.

A

uh You know um to to be able to piggyback uh on I mean that saves us. Probably I don't know weeks. I I.

A

Don't I haven't looked at it in depth, but I would imagine anywhere from month six weeks, eight weeks.

A

So that's really to applaud you on doing that. um I agree. I think that's the way that I mean I'm glad.

H

It happened that way because I do want to answer your question. um Siegel did do frederick county.

L

And frederick county public schools, so they have done something you know similar to us. Okay and.

L

Yes, everything we did everything within our rights for the rfp, okay and putting it out.

L

And retracting it also, it was a bit of a joke for the last couple weeks. um You know.

M

Those of us who have been working to make this happen, we would get to a point where we say.

M

Oh geez, better make sure this is okay with procurement, and we call a call tomorrow can.

M

You come downstairs for a few minutes and uh it happened with some frequency. Yes, they had.

L

A hotline to my to my phone. You know you had your sneakers on. Yes, you spent a lot of time together.

H

I applaud the effort to do this in a timely fashion because I'm gonna be uh maybe a little.

H

Bit brutally selfish here, we've been debating this three of us have been debating this for.

H

Seven years two came into the picture two years ago. I don't want to be on the outside. Looking in I.

H

Want to be here when this occurs, so I applaud you for the timing. Yep, that's our goal, commissioner.

C

I want to express my empathy and sincerity and understanding what you just made his points.

C

Because we don't potentially get some feedback from the public on this, so taking your position.

C

Has been very good, inform the public that we're looking at this in a lot of different ways and.

C

Understanding and I want the public to know that we've just been through the census, our population.

C

Is up, and just like myself as a businessman, if I have more customers, I need more personnel to.

C

Address their needs and as this county has grown, we have seen more and more demands placed upon us.

C

And the public needs to know this, isn't just about inflating a bureaucracy. I know working people out.

C

There have their cdls that potentially want to work for the county, and then they want to find out.

C

That a truck driver is making 14 an hour. They don't want to come to work for us. You know I'm.

C

All about helping the working man but I'll be damned that someone's gonna be able to raise.

C

Their family on fourteen dollars an hour, so we definitely need to be competitive and it's been.

C

Expressed by mr zalewski that not only we compete with other uh public sectors, but there's a lot of.

C

Private corporations out there who are using air employees, that's potentially a training.

C

Ground to get experience and then they can offer more money and it's tough to maintain.

C

Quality personnel, when you do that, so this is a great idea and I'm very grateful, commissioner.

C

Lance keep an eye out and make sure that we stay on the rails so to speak. So thank you.

D

I just wanted to say this: it's about time for the study since I've been here, we've had this problem.

D

We've all talked about it. In the past we put out uh requests for people, you know for personnel, so.

D

Forth and like you've already mentioned, either we get nobody that wants this interest in the.

D

Job or someone goes through the process and then we find out well. This is the actual pay.

D

No, thank you. We it's just it's hampering us, it's real, it really is. We need to study and it might.

D

And you know the good thing is that we're the final arbitrators and on what happens when a.

D

Study comes back and, like commissioner wan said I like to be here when it happens, so I'm very happy.

D

That this is going to be done in a quick but efficient fashion. So I do appreciate that so it.

A

Sounds like we do not want any dust on this as a result, and we want to have this as an action.

A

Not as a you know, a bookshelf item, that's going to be put up there for another 10 years, but it's.

A

Going to be a results driven um where we are going to work through it, so I I do appreciate that as.

A

Well, there's going to be so much going on, the dust is going to be swirling in the air, not settling.

D

Anywhere and to be clear, we need to come by your office and see that we need to be prepared because.

H

We're probably going to have to make some we will more challenging decisions than we have in the.

H

Past as a result of what we get from these folks as well yeah, so hang on to your hats, gentlemen,.

A

Okay with all that said, we have a motions that we want to. I will move.

C

The board of commissioners approve operating budget resolution 0-22.06 to transfer 300 000.

C

From the reserve for contingency to management budget administration to complete the study. Second,.

A

Okay motion. Second, any further discussion on this: we'll present you all in favor, aye, aye, okay,.

A

Now I'll move the board of county commissioner approve a compensation.

A

Classification, organizational design study in the amount of three hundred thousand dollars.

A

With siegel waters consulting second, I got a motion in second any further discussion on this.

A

Seen here, none all in favor all right. Okay! Thank you. Thank you. Thank you once again, thank you very.

C

Much for all the work you guys put into this on such a tight time frame. I am thoroughly.

C

Impressed thank you. Thank you. One, one little tidbit of information as we were waiting for a.

J

Conference call meeting, I was talking to a couple of the principals with siegel and.

J

um One of them is a carroll county resident so to your point passed down again, so that's no problem.

A

Okay: let's talk about noise ordnance.

A

Mr burke, do you want to start this off sure, and the sheriff is also here uh dan.

A

We cannot, you know, dismiss that the sheriff is here. We see the sheriff being here uh good morning.

G

Commissioners, you would ask for a briefing on at least one of you asked for a briefing on the.

G

The current state of the noise ordinance and by way of background in 1974, the state of maryland.

G

With great fanfare, adopted a noise control law and put it in the annotated code in maryland,.

G

And it was going to be policed and enforced by the the maryland department of the environment and to.

G

Scan 30 years later, the same state legislature, defunded, the maryland department of environments.

G

Noise control division and graciously handed off that responsibility to local governments.

G

Most maryland jurisdictions or many at the time, simply decided they would enforce the.

G

Current comar standards, which are similar to what you have in your ordinance and some.

G

Counties and towns opted to adopt their own noise control ordinance as carroll county did. That.

G

In 2005 there was a or 2004-2005 a committee was put together. uh Sheriff dragoning was heavily.

G

Involved and they put together a noise control ordinance which, uh at that time, the the noisiest.

G

uh Offenders were these all-terrain vehicles. We would get a lot of phone calls and the sheriff.

G

Would get a lot of calls on noisy atvs? You know in residential areas or riding close to people's.

G

uh Residences uh at that time, the sheriff's uh assumed a mantle of enforcing the uh ordinance and.

G

They were supplied calibrated, professional noise control meters that had to meet certain standards.

G

uh To be able to be used by law enforcement uh in the enforcement of this ordinance.

G

Lately the enforcement has not been happening. The meters have, I guess, long, expired or not been.

G

Calibrated the sheriff doesn't have the equipment to be able to do the enforcement, so there right.

G

Now we don't have the capacity to to enforce the decibel levels in the noise control, ordinance.

G

It's a perfectly good ordinance. It just needs.

G

Someone to enforce it, so is it because of the equipment that we're not enforcing it.

F

Yeah chef, why don't you come up to the table, make it easier and to be clear to setting the.

H

Groundwork here you know you mentioned about the atvs and that's what it was five six years ago and.

H

Now it's certainly graduated into the to the to the events venue right uh issue which is occurring.

H

Across the whole state, uh you know if you have a barn and you're not making money with corn anymore.

H

You're going to turn your barn into a wedding venue and guess what you're magically making.

H

10 000 of a weekend now so the problem is those venues are in the middle of places, specifically.

H

Residential! That's where we've seen the increase in the noise complaints, not necessarily atv's.

H

Which we've always handled and gone out and mitigated those those issues we're now starting to.

N

See uh venues and believe it or not some churches, um with with bands that are playing and the base.

N

That's reverberating through through different areas. When I first took office, those noise meters.

N

Existed um looked at it a little bit closer, come to find out that they, the calibration on.

N

Them was expired, so we were handing out meters that were not calibrated. So really you couldn't.

N

Enforce, based on what the meter was saying, but my understanding is that there was never any.

N

Civil citations written regardless of whether they were calibrated or not, which begs the question too,.

H

You know what would you give, even if you went out to a place and said well, you're two decibels over.

H

What you should be, I knew you'd ask that there's a civil process to to uh to writing a citation and.

E

Actually tim's office, I believe, would handle that in the in court. If we were to issue a citation.

N

Wouldn't go to the state's attorney's office, but so to give you an example, we have a venue that.

N

Is as loud and noisy and we we can give an example and I go out and I write a a civil citation for.

N

The noise and hand them the simple citation of 50 100 bucks, whatever it is, they just keep playing.

N

The rest of the night, it's like me, giving a ticket to someone for speeding and saying you can speed.

N

The rest of the day for the next 24 hours- it just simply can't happen. Do we close the venue down.

N

So it becomes a little bit more of a burden than just writing. A civil citation and my.

N

Office has never written one of those and we've had a number of complaints regarding.

N

Noise but we've always been able to go in and successfully work with venues. Citizens.

N

Again and it's no secret to the island green is one: we've been working very closely with and.

N

Mark's been with you on mark's, been outstanding out there, and you know the other problem that.

H

You identified the other day mark when you and I were out there is everybody's- got these lovely.

H

Little applications on there, these apps on their phones. Now that you can get free, you know, go to.

H

The app store, don't got a noise ordinance thing well, how how good are they well, no better than.

N

The ones I've got that are undocumented, I mean I know, but you physically rode around out there mark.

H

And I don't want to- I don't want to to dwell on this particular venue because well, I think we're.

H

In a good place, we are in a good place, that's good! So maybe that's the that's. The other thing.

H

To to get that intervention in there and work with folks, and maybe it's a tweak of moving the.

H

Speakers from one side to the- maybe that's the answer, but the problem here is and the reason.

H

I wanted to bring this up in the first place was not to to to do something with the decibel letter.

H

Level like that stupid facebook said, but to to to give some kind of teeth to an ordinance we've.

H

Got an ordinance, but yet so we can't do anything with the ordinance. The ordinance says what it says.

H

And when I have three neighbors call me, because the wedding was loud on sunday and they say well.

H

You've got a noise ordinance, uh I'm here to tell you, I'm not going and shutting people's weddings.

N

Down and and and those things are not going to happen as long as I'm, the sheriff we'll go out.

N

And mitigate the issue I I have had and I'll use commissioner boucher's district. I have had.

N

We had an incident down there several years ago, where that individual just simply didn't.

N

Care what we had to say didn't care what the decibel reading was. We eventually arrested him.

N

And so we will bring in the then the criminal law into into you know disturbing an individual's.

N

Piece or or causing a disturbance like that, and and that's exactly what we ended up having to.

N

Do we arrested him? um It stopped that has no longer been an issue. That's the first time.

N

In years, I've been doing this 32 33 years that that I've I've had to go. To that extent,.

N

And so we can bring the criminal law into into the process and we've got another one. I think in ed in.

N

Your area that we've been talking to the state's attorney about, but we go as soon as I get these.

N

I I assign either go to captain the board or one of my lieutenants go down.

N

And figure out, what is the issue what's going on? Is it? Is it just a neighbor dispute where we've.

N

Got to go in and talk to these folks in ed's area right now, that's exactly! What's going on dj 10.

N

In your area and and you know, the farm, museum and working with people that are there creating noise.

N

Understanding that that's what's going to happen, but we've been extremely successful.

N

Without having to write citations without having to lock people up, except for one incident,.

N

With going in and and using good tact with with dealing with the issues figures, it was district.

C

Four, it was yours yeah, but but again you know, like the other topic, taking away resources to.

A

Do that that that's my biggest concern is how much resources is it taking from you.

A

You know to go through it's what you got to do. That's just all there is to it it's what you got.

N

It's part of what we're asked to do is go in and and handle those issues so that it doesn't.

N

Get to a point where people are starting to to go out to go at one another and it almost it really.

N

Helps that we get involved that quickly because they know that the police are involved and we we.

N

Have record of it and well, I don't think we've had anything get to a point where it's gotten gotten.

N

Violent per se do you have a many issues for these venues where you get caught one week and then you.

D

Go out and whatever you do to mitigate it and then the following week or two weeks later, you get the.

N

Same call from the same venue and all I have one and then what I think and what's that what's your.

D

Next step for for that criminal prosecution, I mean the bottom line is: is that if you're doing stuff.

N

At oh, dark, 30 and you're disturbing people's peace, and it's not a venue that and you're not abiding.

N

By any sort of ordinance, then we'll go in and warn you a couple of times, but at at some point.

N

With the one that we're talking about, I think it's either in dick or steve's district. I think it's.

N

At some point, then I'll send captain the board, or one of my commanders often say you either stop.

N

Or we're going to charge you and arrest you and that usually stops it rather quickly, but we give.

N

Some latitude when it gets to that point. This is a religious institution that um that we're trying to.

N

Give some latitude to understanding what's going on um with that particular religion. They just have.

N

uh They go outside and do things at that uh at an odd hour, and so um and it's disturbing.

N

And and yeah it's in weaver's district, it has to be yeah and I'm not talking about I'm not.

N

Talking about a grain hauler or a combine, I'm talking about so so then that begs the.

H

Question because I had a citizen reach out and say well, why do you have an ordinance at all then.

H

What good is the ordinance if, if you're merely sending law enforcement out to intervene.

H

And get to a good conclusion: why have an ordinance? Well? Because I think there is some there's some.

N

Validity to the decibel readings and and the things that are there, that we can direct people.

N

To and stand behind um the ordinance I mean I could certainly write civil citations for this, but.

N

But uh um I'm not suggesting that yeah, but I think with the ordinance. So the the reason we.

N

Have it is again there's venues that they can have some guidance and a guideline there? If you decide.

N

To strengthen it and say you're accountable for putting up noise meters around your location and.

N

Putting it on the internet, so people can see that there's different things that they can do. I think.

N

People by and large that have venues want to be good neighbors and they don't want to disturb.

N

People around them, they just want to know what are the confines, what what rules do they fall under.

N

And if we have to, then we could say: look we work with you on the civil side. You don't seem to.

N

Be getting the message and so we'll take it to another level on the criminal side. But I think.

N

You got to have something in place that talks about it. Okay, if you need new decimal meters, so.

N

That that's good, so those and I I get that a lot so they're, not cheap, they're expensive. You have to.

N

You have to have people trained every year on them. You have to have them calibrated every year.

N

They are more burdensome than, and I have people that are that were trained, but they've since been.

N

Promoted moved to in different areas of the of the organization that they wouldn't, then I have.

N

To continue that training, I'm going to say 20 25 000 a year, is what it would cost me. um I think I.

N

I looked at that several years ago and really the juice just wasn't worth the squeeze. It just seemed.

N

Like a a little bit of a waste of money to have the to spend on that annually, when I know that.

N

We can get out there and mitigate it and we actually went to island green with the.

N

Meters that we have- and albeit they're, not calibrated, but we were able to still get.

N

Readings so that we could work off of those off of those readings and- and they were pretty.

N

Accurate, I believe, with what they were getting, so it's not that I think in order to enforce.

N

And for tim to go to a court and say we wrote a civil citation like a radar unit, you have to.

N

Show that it was calibrated with regularity and it just it's just a lot of money to do it.

K

Actually you look at noise. Noise is a symptom of the problem. I mean this is only uh happening.

K

In certain areas, if you look at the areas where they are, it's ag remainders that have a list of.

K

About 50 different uses on it that are allowed in as remainders to an area and um and noise.

K

Actually becomes uh whatever the association or whatever that group can use, becomes the problem.

K

I mean for the one up you were talking about in francis district. um That is a church which is.

K

Allowed on there, but the noise gets out of hand, others uh all in green we've allowed ordinance.

K

Uses conditional use, but the noise gets out of hand and most of them come back to conditional.

K

Uses on those properties now, first of all, I think we need to review the conditional uses we allow on.

K

From the zoning- and that's very simple for us to do, secondly, as conditional use.

K

The property owner should be the one held accountable for this. Not us not the sheriff.

K

If they have venues that are going to have, no bans have things like that. They are required to.

K

Monitor their noise at their property line with that's on them, the decibel meters they use.

K

And they have to keep a record of the date time and level uh during that event. So when it gets.

K

To the point, the sheriff gets a call on this and goes out wow here they are. You need to give us.

K

Your record of your date time and decimal level at of these events, not us it's on the uh event owner.

K

And he must feel we must be able to provide that now if it gets too too many complaints or whatever.

K

We go back, their conditional use can be revoked, we can take it back to our zoning administrator. Can.

K

Revoke that uh conditional use- and they can appeal it to the bza uh at that point- to be reviewed, but.

K

This can be put back on to the person uh that has that conditional use it's their responsibility.

K

To keep this under level now the liquor board has that ability to, I think already. They.

K

They can rate them on that. Yes, they have a local rule that authorizes them to or prohibits.

G

Establishments from having amplified music that disturbs the peace of the neighborhood.

G

So these things could be in place and we don't have to be the enforcer.

K

As such on this room, but that would mean that we would have to go over the ordinance to make sure.

H

That that language was in there because that's not in there right now correct and I that's.

H

The first I've heard about the liquor board having see this is the order. This ordinance is.

H

It it's it's not very. I don't think it's very strong, because there's too many open-ended.

N

Remember you're talking about a number of different issues that occur with with noise and.

N

And what commissioner weaver is talking about is his establishments that fall under the control.

N

Of the liquor board, where liquor licenses.

H

Which is a lot of them? You're right, um the ones that we're talking about right, the the.

N

Four-Wheelers, the people doing construction, those sort of things we handle that go in and that's the.

I

End these venues, I think, have an obligation to to mitigate noise and make sure that their fault they.

N

Fall under what commissioner weaver's so getting them to put skin in the game right and I'm not.

H

Here to to diss the venues either, because some of them are doing really well they're, bringing.

H

A lot of folks into the county, uh you know pro business whatever I'm good that that's good.

N

They get it, there's no doubt about it. I mean the best one we work with is urban farm museum with dj.

N

I mean he's excellent. Every time we come with an issue they're willing to work with us and.

N

Say you're right: let's look at it and put the money into it. They're making good money from it.

N

They put money into it to make sure that everybody around them is satisfied in the wedding venue. You.

K

Don't want to shut them down just say you need to monitor the level your band's playing. That's your.

K

Responsibility, so that's it, it goes away and I'm fine with that, but shouldn't the ordinance say.

H

That yeah there has to be something that says if you've gone out several times to the same venue.

D

For the same complaint, which would be noise that there has to be some repercussion that happens.

D

To the venue owner because bga can revoke their that's one part of it, but then it's I think it has.

D

To be more immediate than that, to be honest with you, because if I'm living in that neighborhood and.

D

Every weekend I have to call the sheriff's department, because the noise is shaking my.

D

Windows or whatever, and you go out every weekend, there has to be some way to say: okay, you know.

D

You you're, as because we've been out three times. That's it your your your temporary.

D

Permit is is pulled until it gets investigated or something like that, so it just stopped to stop.

N

That happening, if there's yeah, I mean you keep going out or not you personally, but you know you.

D

People keep going out there and and telling these people it's too loud and neighbors complaining.

D

And they say: okay, they might even turn it down for that. But next weekend or two weeks later, you're.

D

Out there again a lot of times we get that and we and and there's times when I I'll use a juvenile.

N

Party or something like that, we'll shut it down, tell them that's it, shut it down and get out of.

N

Here um we know, we know the type of venue we're walking into the establishment, the residents that.

N

Sort of things and we're very we're very understanding that that this is not right.

N

Shut it down and get out of there or it's a it's. A venue like an island, green or the farm museum and.

N

And they tend to work with us a little bit closer. But if it gets to the point where the teeth need.

N

To be used, and and like I said, we have the one in in ed's district that if it gets to a point, we've.

N

Already consulted the state's attorney we'll we'll file charges against that individual and that will.

N

Stop that that particular problem, I I like the the approach of dealing with citizens that are.

N

That are having to allow parties and those sort of things. Yes, we need to. We need to deal with that.

N

The approach for establishments I like what commissioner um weaver has brought up where.

N

Where the zoning looks at it, and um other people have teeth, they can pull licenses and.

N

Educating my staff on those things when one an ordinance is if an ordinance is putting without.

O

The burden right, I understand, I'm just looking at the people in the neighborhood that might have a.

D

Wedding venue in here, yes, yeah, whatever safe boat, stop at 10 o'clock to go to 10 30 every time and.

D

If it happens continuously something you mean they should be shut down. Yeah one wedding.

K

You're, probably never gonna deal with no, no, but I'm talking about recurring things everywhere.

N

We will we will shut that venue down if it's, if it's at.

N

A very strange hour that they're out there, um if it's 11, 12 o'clock at night and they're.

N

Still playing led, zeppelin music. Then then my deputies are gonna. That's it it's done and shut.

N

Everybody down, I don't like that, I'm sure he was in your district erica. I thought it was journey.

C

For them to make the investment to monitor themselves, and all is too and.

C

The language ordinance where the wedding venues prohibit them from playing the electric slide.

J

Chicken dance: oh no, chicken dance, so I think you go back and you go back and maybe tim and and.

N

Myself and somebody from the board, maybe commissioner weaver- did we look at it and say.

N

Okay, let's look at and look at the ordinance and and present it at a later date. Well, that's with.

N

Some with some updates all these things are good, but the bottom line, and why I wanted it brought up.

H

Is because the ordinance does not say these things, so we're going to have to make sure that it does.

H

And I'm not too sure that it gives you clear direction. I don't think it says the sheriff's.

H

Department will go out once twice, oh and by the way, strike three and that's a discussion.

N

Discretionary thing on us when it comes to that, but someone could challenge that if I had a.

I

Venue and- and I said well wait a minute, you're carroll county. Your ordinance doesn't say that.

H

I bet I could beat it. It caused a couple bucks to beat it, but you're right. You probably couldn't.

H

Get to that point it seems not to have enough teeth, but that's all it does.

G

Authorize the county attorney's office to uh seek an injunction against a a frequent violator of.

G

The noise ordinance and the violator may also be required to submit a plan um that and and um that.

J

Is designed to achieve compliance with the code and approval of that plan by the county and then.

J

The plans get filed with the sheriff's office so they're aware of what they should be doing.

J

So we're like doing that right now, really, with with you know, what does frequent violator mean.

D

That's it. I think it just has to be spelled out a little bit more because if I'm running.

D

A wedding venue and I I would like to keep running it, I'm looking at that ordinance. Okay, if you come.

D

Come out once or twice but the third time, I'm going to make sure there's no third time, because.

N

I understand that you may have people in your in your community. Just simply don't want that venue.

N

There and they're just gonna. Well, I understand next time police leave, they're gonna pick a phone.

N

And we'll just keep coming back for no apparent reason, but they just don't have it there yeah.

D

And the problem with that, but the fact is that we have to all be reasonable about that sure. So if.

D

There's a if, if your deputy goes out and it's not as not that loud, you know whatever, then, okay, it's.

D

Not the third time because the complaint was was not correct and that's at your discretion to think.

D

That, but if it's the third time- and it says yeah it's way over, which should be then it's- you know.

D

I just you need, I think it has to be more specific, because if I'm running the wedding venue.

D

I'm not going to allow it to happen three times, because I want to keep my business running.

D

I wouldn't take that responsibility or authority or authority away from the sheriff. um Now, I'm.

D

Not trying to take anything away from him, but the discretion uh no you're, taking with the discretion.

A

Away because if you say two three times four to whatever number, I mean that it it should be to.

A

Me, okay, discretionary update, you can put a number on it. We can always say that. That's not that we're.

N

You know we're going to continue to work. I just I simply like the fact that, when we issue a permit.

N

To someone for whatever zoning that it spells out, here's your obligations when it comes to noise in.

N

Your establishment, whether it's an outside barn, wedding venue, a golf place or or a church. This is.

N

What your responsibility is when it comes to noise and we're going to issue the permit, based on that.

P

Commissioner, do you recall when we met with filing greens that they didn't understand, we had.

P

To communicate them to what their requirements were, and then they met their requirements and.

P

I think that's one of the the onus falls on county government and ourselves to educate.

P

These venue operators, when they're, going in and set.

P

Requesting a site plan of what their requirements are and that should eliminate some of the.

P

Confusion as well that discretion has to happen there, because I'm sure you hit some the first time.

H

Right now, that's it how many times how many times were you out there cat.

P

For noise violations yeah one time for a documented noise violation.

P

Okay and the rest came through complaints through and then we just exercised our judgment used. Our.

P

Discretion and we made the problem, so it may give us the traditional permit to have whatever.

D

They don't get a list of of the requirements that from the county about how things should be handled.

D

I don't know, I don't think that if you want to do a run through town yeah, you get a list of.

N

Requirements and- and you got to have this many police officers- those sort of things.

N

um But if you want to have a band at a venue, I don't know that. There's any any specifics that.

N

Are heated to you when you, I don't think there is, I know of a winery that had the same issue.

H

That's in your district and they took it upon themselves when they did learn about the.

H

Decibel level because they had no idea, they only knew about it because there was a complaint.

H

So they took it upon themselves, went out and put like three meters around the perimeter of their.

H

Of their facility hooked it up to their laptop and they can consistently take their decimal.

H

Levels, so it wasn't that difficult for them to do it yeah. We find that more than anything that.

N

That's there's compliance with right with when we come out right, but they have to know what they.

D

Have to comply with what is, and that's that's your point. That's right that they didn't know.

P

They didn't know until we intervened explained to them and they could take.

P

The necessary actions to eliminate the problem, but with the liquor license like tim's talking about, I.

N

Mean that's, that's really, the the that's the money maker. For them I mean with the liquor license and.

N

Understanding what the noise ordinances are and and and through zoning, I think that if we do it.

N

If we look at what commissioner weaver spoke about, then maybe we can strengthen it or I like that at.

H

Least update it. I I think it needs to have maybe that language inserted in the best manner that it.

H

Can that probably means bringing in the zoning you know the zoning administrator and the associated.

K

First of all, we have to look at the conditional uses and make look at that list and now I'm down.

K

To where right, it's going to be uh so so that was my. That was my method here. Just it has teeth, but.

H

Yet I don't think I think, there's a couple teeth that have been fractured there, a little bit or.

H

Something there's a couple teeth missing: little cavities in the teeth: okay, yeah I mean they need.

A

To be filled, maybe- and we have the good lawyer to fill them and the problem with any of these noise.

G

Ordinances is it can't be completely subjective? You can't just say all right, no loud music, because.

G

One person's loud music could be another person's who I love. You know I'm here. I love that stuff.

H

Bothers me: are there? Are there hours on our noise units? Yes, there's hours and there's specific noise.

H

Levels that you can I've got it on my desk and I forgot to bring it over here, not ready.

N

And most of these venues, the one we keep talking about, they're done at the at the well before that.

H

Hour and so not necessarily they're all the way up to captain. Would you like to uh elaborate on.

H

That, because uh one of the neighbors, you know told me like four weeks ago, encore at 10 15.

H

Encore, so that's not necessarily true too, maybe one on quora. Can we put that in the ordinance.

K

But you know it has to be spelled out too uh decimal level doesn't mean you can't hear it.

K

It just means you're not shaking the things off the wall in the house, but it still may be.

K

You think that's we literally had in his district dogs that were.

N

Running and peeing in corners because it was a mile away, because the noise was absolutely.

N

Just scaring everybody in in the whole area, and that's one where we just didn't play around and.

N

It was ridiculous right, um that's rare! That's one, one! Every 10 years! That's weird that that.

N

Happens, oh my god did we have any complaints about the union mills, civil war reenactors? I know that.

C

Commissioner williams heard them and I'm quite good: it's also. We need to accept the civil war.

C

No, I mean that's, usually those are usually during the day and.

N

Not not causing anybody yeah, that's not amazing! It's when you get up to the 8 30 9 o'clock area.

C

The other night I watched the twilight zone episode this guy loved loud stuff and the irony.

C

Offended his show he wanted being totally deaf. He paid the price for it well, see, there's that right.

H

Can you hear me yeah, okay, a little bit so we'll work with tim and and just look.

N

At the look at the ordinance and maybe come back to you with something that yeah so tim.

A

Do you have enough direction? Yes, I I think the zoning administrator was was dragged in as well.

A

And you have commissioner weaver as the ex officio into this.

A

Thank you well and the question about whether it's really proper to be in the.

J

Noise ordinance or in the zoning ordinance I think, yeah um and the board, as you know,.

J

Revised the commercial industrial text for the zoning code recently about to do it with.

J

The residential zoning code and the next step is the agricultural and um conservation codes.

J

um And so I don't know whether it might be premature to just try to pull this out for this.

J

Particular and or maybe do it at a comprehensive level when we do the whole egg now and then.

K

Bring it up when it comes into zoning, but I yeah, if the review of that I think or spell.

K

Out a lot of what something's a problem here or not, I think that's the market. I think we've had.

D

Enough complaints on this that should be looked at now, and we don't want to wait on it. I it's.

H

Got a role, and I also want to make sure that staff knows that when someone does get a permit.

H

That a copy of that is given as a result of the permit process. They should have that because I.

H

Don't think that they do in the current manner in which it is, I mean knowing that it's going.

H

To get tweaked, of course, but I think they need to have a copy of that in their hand.

H

When they get that permit- and the other thing is once we strengthen this- and you guys have agreed.

N

To it, we can certainly go on an educational right. You know tour and making sure the people that we.

N

Frequently, work with are understand what what's going on mike mcmullen through the.

N

Chamber we can certainly get stuff out to him, so yeah good stuff, no way to shut people down.

H

Accountable for what they're doing yeah, that's all, as I told the neighbors up in the outskirts.

H

Of the valley, it's always funny when I say that uh you know: we've got to represent everybody.

H

It's not just about the venue, it's about the folks that live there as well, so you've got to respect.

H

Their their ability to to live there and a lot of those folks were there before island green, decided.

H

To have red dirt road come in on saturday night, right, okay and a big. Thank you to you. uh Captain.

H

For your intervention too, because you you did an awesome job up there, you really did and kind of.

H

Got those folks back to where they need to be, and it was a lot of it was communication, but you did.

H

An awesome job so kudos to you and also because you can see him, I die, we yeah, we talked god.

A

And he didn't give me a ticket when I came rolling in there on two wheels. The other day.

N

I got more money on him he's meaner gentlemen. Thank you very much. Good discussion.

A

Okay, uh let's move on to admissions and amusement tax discussion. um Mr burke, you are going to lead.

A

Us in this I know we also have a public comment right. So do we want public comment first, or do you.

A

Want to lead us into this and then go into public comment. I'll just leave lead in briefly under the.

G

Tax general article, there is what is referred to as an admissions and amusement tax imposed upon.

G

A lot of activities in the county under the state law you're allowed to grant exemptions to certain.

G

Certain entities at your discretion- and it was requested for an outside uh agency, that you.

G

Grant a an exemption for any fundraising activities, a volunteer fire companies.

G

Gross receipts, and we also had a suggestion from one of the delegates that you also exempt.

G

Agritourism from the imposition of the admissions and amusement tax, so I have.

G

Prepared for your consideration and discussion, a resolution that would exempt agritourism and.

G

The all fundraising activities of volunteer fire companies from this admissions and amusement tax.

J

And it is retroactive uh from january 1, 2019 right, yes, correct, effective, effective date.

A

And what kind of events are we talking about with agri-tourism.

K

And I don't think anybody's ever paid it anyway or I know I'm sure they know the man.

K

And yeah, I don't know either. I know you get a tick any anywhere. I think where you buy a ticket.

H

So, for some okay, I got you. Okay, that's the way it is.

K

Corn maze yeah yeah. If you pay for a corn maze that would be uh considered agritourism yeah. The.

K

Accident has their foreign maze so for for for the good of the.

A

For the the good of those listening, those in the room um as we move forward, if we are to agree to.

A

This resolution, it's going to state that the board of county commissioners carroll county.

A

That no admissions and amusement tax shall be levied or collected one on upon any gross.

A

Receipts derived from all fundraising activities of volunteer fire companies in carroll, county.

A

And two upon any admission and amusement charge for any activities related to agricultural tourism.

A

This exemption shall apply to any such charge imposed on these activities after january, 1st 2019.

A

Okay, is there any further discussion from us, uh sir, you want to uh comment, mr cohn.

A

Sure please come up to the mic uh state, your name I'd, say: social security. Now I'm kidding.

B

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. As a business owner that's been doing business in carroll.

B

County for decades we run the movie theater. We employ a lot of. I apologize your name.

A

Oh good point: scott cohen, thank you as a third generation family business owner who.

B

Has employed many first employees and everything else we came back into carroll county. We did a lot.

B

Of work at the westminster mall we survive cobit barely but anytime. We can look for any reductions.

B

In admission, taxes greatly- and you know greatly, does it yes maryland does allow 10.

B

Percent, you are one of the only two counties that I'm aware of that does hit us for 10.

B

We are paying real estate tax, we pay sales tax, it just times are tough on everybody. I.

B

I heard the plight of you know. We have trouble getting employees also.

B

And money is just disappearing, so anything that can be done a.

B

Side thing on it is keep the ten percent admission, tax rebate, back five percent, and that goes.

B

Toward improvements to the building facility, employees just looking for what we can get.

B

And, like I said, we did survive pandemic a lot of our employees. We kept them on. They were laid off.

B

But we kept them on insurance, we made sure they were correct. We made sure the building was correct.

B

We started back with anything. We could do to keep our doors open when the state allowed us.

B

It's just been a devastating time, so crumbs add up absolutely appreciate.

A

It um I do have a question: did you take advantage of all grants.

A

And opportunities um over the past year and a half one that the county has provided or to the state.

F

We everything, yes, everything that we could we found out for we applied for on a county level, a.

B

State level and a federal level, so yes, we we tried, I hope our staff found all of them. If you know of.

B

One we missed we'd be happy to reapply and every bit of money we got small, medium or large, help.

B

Because you know it took a lot of money from us to make it through those 18 months or 15 months.

B

Because a lot of businesses, our size, didn't- and I know one in hagerstown- went out and one.

B

In chestertown went out and some in baltimore city it just you know, it's been a tough industry.

A

Is the tax levied on you as a business or is it levied on the moviegoer itself.

B

Yes well because, let's be candid, if we have, if you buy a gallon of gas for a dollar.

B

But buried in that cost is 25 cents of insurance of taxes right. It's passed on to the consumer.

B

So what happens is our admission? Prices does calculate that where the mission.

B

Price might really be ten dollars and 38 cents, but we charge you eleven dollars.

B

So, um and also the film companies share in that with us, because that gets you know deducted where.

B

If the five percent, as I had said, we kept it, you rebated it. Somebody else helps us pay for it.

B

And we get money for renovations, repairs and, like I said my time's up, but we put a lot.

A

Of your time's, not up here chris, take it chris, take the uh clock away and uh I mean, as you know,.

B

The county had your theater was. I can't help the physical plan. It is what it is, but we came in at a.

B

Time and we modernized it, we put in the recliners that um that people loved we cleaned it up as best.

B

You know she could be. um We realized. The mall is what it is we're working through that, hopefully.

B

One day it'll have a bright shining star around us um and, like I said we do, you know a lot of.

B

People it's their first jobs, a lot of college students and you know all the employees we do have.

A

Well, this was new news. I mean at the end of the day.

H

You do you pay it at the end of the of your fiscal year or do you pay? It might be quarterly. I mean I.

B

Was actually going to mention that we do pay the admission tax, we we've been paying it forever.

B

And we also have a sales tax. I think, on a lot of our recession, items that we do sell.

B

But yeah we um so you pay it. You think you pay a quarter. I think we pay a quarterly, but I wasn't.

B

Compared with that, and we do our own, um we tell you how much admission there was and then we.

B

You know send checks in um every so often different municipalities to come back to.

B

See if we're doing what we should, I don't believe, we've ever missed on an audit.

D

So carroll county is, is one of only two counties in maryland: charges, 10 percent.

D

Or is one of two counties in maryland that charges an admissions tax, neither.

B

I think it's I can only answer about carroll, county and baltimore county.

B

In that comment, um they are the two counties we operate theaters and we do also operate one.

B

In southern maryland, I don't know off the top of my head if they even have an admission tax.

B

But ten percent is this: you know you're hitting the cap well yeah, but okay is baltimore county.

D

Saying temple baltimore county is ten percent. Yes, I I think we'll um I appreciate the time and as.

A

You can tell it's new news for us. um I think we need to do some homework. Our due diligence.

A

And looking into this, you know you're bringing up something that obviously we.

A

You're, educating us on and uh um giving us the opportunity to do the due diligence and work.

A

Necessary it's going to be important. I don't think it should slow down this resolution right, but we.

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Can definitely look at yours and which is going to end up happening. I believe, is looking at other.

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uh Businesses that may be in the same kind of domain is yours, it is, and we I appreciate that.

B

And I realized, I didn't think it would happen today. Yeah didn't know the knowledge we use every.

B

Opportunity to try to educate and inform um you know. Thank you very much. Thanks for bringing it.

K

To our attention, I I appreciate it. Thank you with uh anything else in the board of doctor.

K

Resolution, thank you, volunteer fire companies from any admissions or amusement charges for any.

K

Event held in kell, county outside municipality and activities uh uh related to act, tourism.

D

I don't see that yeah that that should have been in there. Commissioner weaver, I know okay, third,.

D

Good job, okay, you gave him special guidance, so we have a motion in a couple seconds and.

A

With that said, any other further discussion, all in paper all right.

A

All right, okay, 5-0, sir, make sure we have your contact information.

A

Okay and uh roberta will follow up. You know we'll follow up appropriately. I haven't you can.

A

Okay, miss celine. Let's talk about approving to.

A

Hire a part-time contractual local care team coordinator for fiscal year, 22.

K

I know I'm not asking for money, we don't need any county match, we've gotten the award so.

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um I'm celine stackel, the director of citizen services and I'm joined today by gabby zelaya.

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She's, our local local management board manager. um We don't love that title, but that's what it is.

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um So we're here today to request approval to hire, as you stated, a part-time contractual local.

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Care team coordinator for fiscal year 22., we were here before you in march, requesting.

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Approval to submit the application for the local management board's community partnership agreement.

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Excuse me in that agreement it um provided us.

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With also an opportunity to request competitive funding to continue our local care team operations.

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The local care team falls under our local management board and is instrumental um to provide.

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A forum for families and children with intensive needs to receive assistance and resources and for.

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Interagency problem solving for individual child, family and systemic needs, and this this platform.

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Is a required mandate and it's legislated, and so there is extremely extremely spelled out guidance.

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On who is required to be on the local care team as far as different agencies throughout our county.

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Different government entities, therapies, therapy agencies and the hospital staff, as well as.

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The requirements of the coordinator, who we would hire for local care team.

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Needing to be a licensed clinician, so there are a lot of specificities to this position because.

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Of that we're opting to use an rfp process to hire this individual. It's only going to be 10.

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To 15 hours per week for the work that they do to host and coordinate these local care teams.

Q

But we did receive an award from the community partnership agreement of five thousand six.

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Hundred and fifty six dollars for the local care team operations, the way that that breaks down.

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Is this part-time position would be funded with salary infringe for twenty three thousand four.

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Hundred dollars of that, while gabby's position as a local management board manager, who also supports.

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The local care team would be um provided. Twenty thousand eighty three dollars of salary infringe.

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And then also a laptop would be purchased of two thousand one hundred and seventy three dollars.

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For a total of forty five thousand six hundred and fifty six dollars, gabby does have a few statistics.

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About local care team that I did want to share with you today, just to give you an update on.

Q

Kind of what we do and the work that is provided there good morning, commissioners, thank you.

R

Both local management boards and local care teams are in maryland statute, as celine had said, we're.

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In title, eight of the human services article, um if you were to take a look at that it specifies again.

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As celine had said, who's supposed to be part of it, what we do other specificities, like that in 2018.

R

Local management boards became the administrative home for local care teams and since 2018 here in.

R

Carroll county we've reviewed an average of 34 cases per year, so these are referrals we get from.

R

The community for self referrals from families who say my family or my child has intensive needs.

R

You know a variety of things that they might need and we come together as a group.

R

Of agencies to address that in fiscal year 2020 our peak was 47 cases reviewed just as an idea.

R

Throughout covid, um obviously we were impacted. Our cases reviewed were impacted. We saw about 25.

R

In fiscal year 21, but it is picking back up the coordinator's general obligations would.

R

Include coordinating and facilitating one to two hour-long meetings which could occur, weekly.

R

That's a requirement of the state. The coordinator would also ensure adequate service provision and.

R

Follow-Up for youth and families, they would also participate in quarterly meetings with the state.

R

And they are required to provide several trainings to the community throughout the year. So I have.

R

More details, but unless you have anything to add we'll open it up for questions, would would this.

C

Individual be directly working for us, or would they be working for a contractor than coming to.

C

Us how? How would this work out, they would work, they would work directly for us. Currently, they.

Q

The um the process would be that they would have to bid and show their own liability coverage and.

Q

Things like that, just like any any contractor, would have so they have to go through that.

Q

Full process, but they would be working directly for carroll county. It seems I was wondering how.

C

Difficult, it would be because I see you need a clinical and special education background.

C

A master's degree and finding someone that could work 10 or 15 hours a week. It seems very difficult.

C

For you to pull this off, you apprehensive about being able to do this, or you feel confident.

Q

We have we have someone that we have um been in dialogue with that that we, because- and that is.

Q

Why we wanted to put it out as an rfp? Because we because the price point we would not have to use.

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An rfp process because it's under 25 000, but we wanted to put it out, so it was publicly advertised.

Q

So we could direct people to our our website um to market that, thanks for clarifying that, because we.

C

See over and over again how difficult it is with these parameters, I thought you would.

C

Get a tough road to hold this one, but you already have something lined up so you'll be just fine.

A

Typically, I've seen uh not necessarily and masters but and or masters or and masters.

A

Or experience of six years whatever it may be, but this is requiring a master's. This is the.

Q

State requirement correct as a state requirement interesting um in the past. The state would provide.

Q

Waivers um if we asked for them, we did ask previously for a waiver um and they denied it.

Q

So um we had a waiver with a position um that was held by a staff before for the local care.

Q

Team coordinator, but they're they're, looking to really see that you've done your due diligence.

Q

To hire someone that has these credentials keep the bar high. I appreciate that and gabby welcome.

A

I haven't had the opportunity, so I know you're relatively new to the team last month or two right.

R

uh I've been with the citizen services, for I think, going on three years almost but entering into this.

A

Position right: yes, that's right! Okay, um any other comments. I like this. I, like the uh county, match.

A

As well so we knew you would I'll make the most of the board of commissioners approved the hire of a.

D

Part-Time contractual local care team coordinator fy222, so I got motion secondary discussion.

A

Scene hearing them all in favor, aye. Okay, thank you, ladies. Thank you very much. Okay. Now, let's talk.

A

About renewal of geographic information systems, gis software maintenance and support mr ripper.

C

Good morning, gentlemen, good morning good morning, commissioners go forward.

E

The office of procurement cooperation with technology services request your approval.

E

To award the purchase of the renewal of esri software maintenance to esri inc.

E

In the amount of forty one thousand seven hundred ninety four dollars and fifty two cents.

E

The amount is within the adopted fy22 budget and no additional funds will be necessary.

S

Morning, commissioners, we actually pronounce esri as esri. It is the software package that.

S

All of the different agencies use for the purposes of gis and we have about 135 users.

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Over 10 or so different types of agencies who use this package on a daily basis,.

S

For mapping and planning purposes, so it's also used by public safety 9-1-1 to determine.

S

Routes for fire trucks, ambulances from the fire departments to locations.

C

I'm impressed with how much this this stuff gets utilized I've gone out dpw and looked.

C

At them redoing the culverts and I had no idea they're using gps location, set up the charts.

C

And grants I mean it's thoroughly impressive, all that data is being pulled in and utilized by us.

C

This is a nice system. I move that the board of commissioners approved purchase with renewal.

C

Is it sc sri software maintenance, I think in the amount of 41 794 dollars and 52 cents.

C

Sorry I got a motion a second and and uh a second I apologize. I have asked this uh often of many of.

A

These type of renewals have we gone for multi-year. We have and and you're gonna find with this one.

S

And the next one um because of the economy and the way things that are um they're they're more than.

S

Willing to sell you multiple years, but that's at the same price. There are no discounts or anything.

S

And then I see that um the municipalities are also using this uh product. Yes, commissioners, okay,.

S

A couple of them not all eight of them, but some of them are okay. That's very.

A

Nice that we're supporting that way, that's good okay motion seconds been done any other.

A

Conversation discussion all in favor, aye, okay, daily. What's next uh purchase of dell latitude.

A

Rugged tablets for the sheriff's department, the office of procurement, in cooperation with.

E

Technology services requests your approval to award the purchase of 20 latitude rugged lap.

E

Tablets to dell computer corporation, the amount of sixty thousand eight hundred and seventy.

E

Seven dollars and eighty cents this purchase is being made through the naspo contract mmwnc-108.

E

The purchase amount is within the adopted budget and no additional funds will be necessary.

S

And commissioners, these are the the equipment that we order. All of the time.

S

um The reason before you here today is because of the amount of money we place, orders for pcs.

S

But a lot of times it's not over the twenty five thousand dollars, so we don't need to.

S

Come before you, I do need you to know. I want you to know um that we are still experiencing a.

S

Significant lag time um in getting equipment in, um even though it appears covets slowed down a little.

S

Bit maybe or whatever the the manufacturing industry for technology has not caught up.

S

A lot of it has to do with them and their ability to be able to get the components that.

S

They need to make the electronic portion of the equipment do we buy so many of these each year.

D

Because 20 for the entire cs department didn't seem to be a lot well, let me explain a little.

S

Bit more commissioner, these 20 are for 20 new vehicles that the sheriff's department, okay, okay,.

A

Seems like a really good price, yeah I'll make the most of the board of christians approved the.

D

Purchase of 20 latitude rugged tablets for dell computer corporation amount of 60, 877 and 80 cents.

A

Motion seconding discussion here in cnn all in favor all right, okay, gentlemen. Thank you very much.

A

Thank you, commissioner. Andy come on up and let's talk about placement of water services.

A

Order service laterals on snowden's, run road. Commissioner, I believe the uh change order for.

T

North palm station, I apologize I'm ahead of myself north pump station in hampstead.

A

Apologize sounds like exciting stuff. All right so you'll be talking about the other one. After so.

A

Okay, carrie, you want a starter andy. Thank you. The office of procurement and cooperation with.

I

The bureau of utilities request the board of commissioners approval of a change order to.

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Century engineering, in the amount of ten thousand eight hundred dollars for additional engineering.

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Services related to the construction of the north pumping station in hampstead. The cost of this.

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Proposal is within the adopted budget and capital project. No additional funding will be necessary.

T

Hey, gentlemen, um first and foremost, the the construction of the new pump station in.

T

Hampstead is unscheduled to be fully operational operational by january of next year, so we're very.

T

Happy with that, this change order. We request this work is for the consultant and is to cover the.

T

Cost associated with the review of contractor product submittals and requests for information.

T

The original consulting contract allowed time and funding for the review of approximately.

T

60 product uh submittals and today there have been approximately 90 of these uh submittals. Some of.

T

These are because the specified product products either are not available or would not be available.

T

At accepted full-time parameters for construction that falls online, we will look what mark just.

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Said a few minutes ago, as well, um others were required to be submitted to be submitted. Multiple.

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Times following review and comments. Secondly, the original contract allowed for eight staff days for.

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Review of requests for information, the consultant is now up to nine full days of staff review time.

T

And there are several more months of construction still ahead of us. The majority of these additional.

T

Rfis are because of product shortages and the review of ultimate products. The the consultant is.

T

Obviously, working on behalf of county and these reviews are essential to ensure a high quality.

T

Final product, any questions for me: we've had a lot of change orders on this project. uh It's a.

K

Major reason: the the north pump station that this is our second change order. It's just the first.

T

Major change order with respect to the products and and their availability. The first change order.

T

Was for the transition of the site from the main street location to the ipa property, all right.

K

Okay, okay, I moved the border. Commissioners approve a change order for sent to century.

K

Engineering incorporated the amount of ten thousand eight hundred dollars and zero cents.

K

Wow for additional engineering services related to construction in the north.

K

Pole station in hampstead. Second, I got a motion. Second, any discussion.

C

I want to add real quickly this week. Someone said to me: they said you know, you got one more.

C

Year's commissioner, you should have your name on something in carroll county to remember. You.

C

I'll see you, I think it's gonna be on a wastewater, sewage treatment plant. You will I'm honored.

A

Any more discussion of value.

C

All in favor all right, okay, as long as my name is what I'm all about. I suppose gary now, let's talk.

A

About the replacement of water service, laterals of stone, run road, the office of procurement and.

I

Cooperation with bureau of utilities request your approval to award a contract for the replacement.

I

Of water service laterals on sodium run road in the freedom district to mid-atlantic utilities. In.

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The amount of 65 625 dollars this award was made via a competitively bid term contract.

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um We solicited um four term contract vendors that we currently have um two of.

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Which responded uh with quotes and mid-atlantic utilities um came back with the lowest price.

T

Gentlemen, as you were aware that over the past several months and years, I I have been before.

T

You to present projects for looping improvements, fire hydrants valve valve bolt replacements and.

T

Water meter vault installations for the board for approval. This is for a whole new category.

T

Category for us, it's the planned and proactive replacement of aged water service laterals by.

T

Roadway or by neighborhood water service laterals are the copper lines that that connect the water.

T

Mains to the meter, vaults and they're, basically, the this type of type of pipe and as they age.

T

Pinholes form in them just just by sheer use so forth, sometimes they're up against rocks and.

T

They weld a little bit and cause the panels, but the the snow, the older portion of snowden's, run.

T

Road that we're working on with this project was built in the 1970s and has had a recent history of.

T

Water service, lateral breaks so we're going to be proactive and replace the remaining 25 properties.

T

Along this roadway and uh basically use this as a test project to see how the process works for us.

T

um As with the as with the majority of our projects, this work was made available to our.

T

Current term contractors, as shown the briefing paper two bids were received, we are very happy.

T

With the load bid and it does present a good value for the scope of work involved,.

A

Did uh hti just not want to work, I mean, did they get themselves out of it or I'm not certain.

T

They things are picking up in in in the construction world, so there may be there.

T

May be that factor involved. Okay, so is this going to be an ongoing thing now replacing the laterals.

D

We'll see how this works, I believe that it will be. uh We have many residential areas that were built.

T

In the late 60s and early 70s and we are having a history of water service, lateral issues, what that.

D

Type of pipe, are we using to replace laterals with now? Copper? Is that I guess that's the best around.

D

For right now, yes, it is and and just to let you know we we will. Our attempt will be to pull the.

T

New copper line through from the meter ball and not not not open cut unless we actually have to so.

T

If we do have the open cut and that's so you don't destroy properties, correct, I mean yeah.

A

I love your favorite, I'm sorry! I love you yeah very good. What is the existing material, copper.

C

And we're replacing a cop, yes, okay, we have new lead pipes in the county. As far as I'm aware, good.

A

Yeah: okay, I'll move the border commissioners award contract for replacement of water service, lateral.

A

Laterals on snowden road to mid-atlantic utilities incorporated in the amount of sixty five thousand.

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Six hundred twenty-five dollars and zero cents. Second, that motion in second all in paper.

A

Okay: let's talk about the hampstead wastewater treatment plant in our upgrade project.

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The office of procurement and cooperation with the bureau of utilities requests the board of.

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Commissioners, approval of miscellaneous items change order to conewago enterprises in the.

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Overall amount of 71 706.15 for various construction improvements related to the.

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Hampstead wastewater treatment, plant enr upgrade project. The cost of these improvements is within.

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The adopted budget and capital project and no additional funding will be necessary.

T

Gentlemen, after two and a half years, the construction activity at the plant is essentially.

T

Complete- and you will see that firsthand on october 5th during the during the ribbon.

T

Cutting center, this change order is for a group of miscellaneous items regarding safety and treatment.

T

Process improvements to the overall project: these include duct, work and ventilation, improvements.

T

Hand, rail additions, grading and drainage improvements and issues related to the.

T

Sludge processing of the old plant- some of these needs were identified by my staff and some were.

T

Identified by the engineer and contractor because of the critical time path, uh constraints, the.

T

Overall, completion date mandated by the maryland department of the environment and the cost savings.

T

Associated with having the work completed, while the contractor was on task, I instructed the.

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Contractor to move forward with these changes as it became known over the past several months,.

T

Each of these individual items and there's there's 11 in total, they were all relatively minor amounts.

T

But combined they they came to the 71 000 figure and just to let you know that that amount is 0.4.

T

Of the overall cost of the construction project, so it appears to be a.

T

Large sum of money, but in respect to the overall project, these are relatively minor improvements.

T

That were identified as safety safety needs and process control needs. I like seeing the safety.

C

Being addressed because I know in my industry, a lot of people fall with lack of proper reeling.

C

And especially, the ventilation, I am well aware how dangerous methane gas is, and if we don't.

C

Have proper ventilation a facility like this, it can lead to death. I've seen cases where people.

C

Have gone in a storm drains and moved around debris and methane is grown in the bottom of a.

C

Trench and just to release that methane will kill someone and the ditch and other people go down.

C

After them they die as well, so the ventilation is paramount. So thanks for addressing that.

T

The the challenge that my staff and the contractor had with this project, it was.

T

It was essentially a rehabilitation project, so we kept the old plant running and in place.

T

And we modified the the components in place as part of this construction project and the the.

T

Engineer did a fantastic job with his plans, but he simply could not. I identify all the shortcomings.

T

With the existing plant, so the majority of these are just items that they they just did not pick up.

T

On to no fault of the room, that's very good being proactive, because commissioner lance has seen his.

C

Industrial problems that we're addressing this before we actually have an incident. So thank you.

K

I move the board to commissioner's approval change order, conorwego uh industries incorporating.

K

The overall amount, seventy one thousand seven hundred six dollars and fifteen cents for various.

K

Construction improvements related to the hampstead wastewater treatment plan, upgrade project.

D

Second, okay got motion, second name to spur the discussion in here, not all in paper. Okay,.

A

Okay, here, let's talk about purchase well, I've got a 2022 f-250 supercab truck.

E

The office of procurement cooperation with the bureau of fleet management warehouse operations.

E

Request your approval to award the purchase of a 2022 ford, f-250 super cab truck to apple ford in.

E

The amount of fifty thousand seven hundred and forty six dollars and fifty two cents.

E

The purchase was being made through a baltimore county contract, zero, zero, zero, four, five zero.

E

Four that was competitively bid. The amount is within the adopted fy22 budget and no.

E

Additional funds will be necessary. Gentlemen. This purchase is a replacement for vehicle number o624.

T

Which is a 2010 ford, f-150, with 150 000 miles on it? The existing vehicle is being upgraded.

T

To a larger size, to accommodate a utility body style and for anticipated future tilling needs.

T

Following this, vehicle number o624 will then be used as the bureau of utilities.

T

Spare vehicle at fleet within the past year, the bureau's previous spare, was red flagged.

T

And removed for service because of age and major major repair issues, we have been able.

T

To work around this temporarily because of snap shortages, but when fully staffed, it is essential.

T

For us to have a spare vehicle actually to to uh to to reduce downtime to a minimum.

A

Are vehicles assigned to are vehicles assigned to individuals? The majority of our vehicles are.

T

Yeah each of my field staff members, have each of my hodges field. Staff members have a vehicle.

T

Assigned to them full time they they are on call on a rotating basis. So yeah, especially if I was.

A

Driving a f-150, that's 11 years old, so it's pretty nice! The user of this will be extremely happy. Yeah.

A

250. my son's got 150, that's new and then yeah just to let you know we are transitioning.

T

From the um the toolbox, liftgate tile uh style, uh storage areas to to the utility style, it just.

T

Makes the heavy tools much easier to access, yeah, less, wear and tear on the on the staff.

T

Members backs and so forth. The lift gate is a very nice feature because often people get hurt.

C

Pulling stuff out of a truck, so that's a nice feature for the safety of employees.

C

A

I'll make the motion the board commissioners award the purchase of the 2022 f.

A

22 ford f-250 super cab truck to apple ford in the amount of 50, 746 and 52 cents. A second.

A

I got a motion second, any further discussion on this scene here, none all in favor.

A

Okay, now, let's uh talk about potentially purchasing a john deere 50 90 m utility tractor.

A

Okay, eli start us off the officer procurement cooperation with the bureau of fleet management.

E

Warehouse operations request your approval to purchase one john deere.

E

5090M utility tractor from deer and company the amount of 101 069.76.

E

This purchase is being made through a source, well contract 110719-jdc. That was competitively bid.

E

This amount is within the adopted, fy 22 budget, and no additional funds will be necessary.

U

Good morning you still consider it morning, so this tractor is used by the department.

U

Of roads for roadside, knowing it will be equipped with a rear and a side, flail miller.

U

The model it would be replacing as a 2008 john deere tractor with about 5 000 hours on it.

U

That tractor will be sent to auction time for new. What was the price of that one in 2018.

U

I don't I don't know, but uh to give you an idea of how much the prices have gone up. Pre-Covered.

U

The same tractor we were looking at about 85 000., so now we're looking at a hundred thousand for the.

D

What would it be uh reasonable to hold off on purchasing this for, like six months to see your.

D

Prices come down, not necessarily because it's six to eight months out until we even get this one.

U

This new equipment is six day usually a year. That's not tell you now.

C

Yeah all right, I don't see the price of anything going down as well.

C

For a while, I moved at the board of commissioners approved the purchase of one john deere.

C

5090M utility tractor to john deere and company, an amount of 101 thousand 69.76.

A

I got a motion. I got a second, I just one question: that's 5, 000 hours is that a lot of hours is that.

U

You know the type of knowing that these tractors do like yeah. We tend to see them.

U

Being rotated out around around that amount of hours, so machine rotator around 5000 hours, yes,.

A

Sir okay and the way this one sits right now it actually needs a clutch replacement uh so that.

U

Sort of influenced us that this one needs to get it's gonna get expensive after five thousand. Okay.

H

Got it five thousand is a lot I used when I had my lawn business. I I switched them out at about two.

K

These are digital hours right on that key turns on his hours are measured on these.

K

Older vehicles they had to be at 1800 rpms to start registering, so there is a difference in.

K

Yeah, you just call the commissioner lance okay, okay, I got a motion. Second, any other discussion.

A

How many do we have? We have ten millers total? Do we, okay of this caliber? Yes, okay,.

C

Real quickly, mr oliver, when that piece of equipment comes in, let me know I want to go.

C

Out and get a photo of the equipment and members of the crew that utilize equipment. I like to.

C

Give those guys and ladies any recognition they deserve for this, so thanks for it absolutely then.

A

Okay, any further discussion. Mr fisher, you want to talk about this. No that's all good.

A

Okay, all in favor all right. Okay, now, let's talk about purchasing a ford, 450, regular cab, 4x2.

A

Eli, what are we talking about? The officer procurement, cooperation with bureau and.

E

Fleet management warehouse operations request your approval to purchase one 2022 f, ford, f-450, regular.

E

Cab 4x2 with xl trim from apple ford in the amount of 64, 163 and 25 cents. This purchase is being made.

E

Through a baltimore contract, zero, zero, zero, four five zero four that was competitively bid.

E

The amount is within the adopted, fy 22 budget and no additional funds will be necessary.

U

The commissioners this this truck, it will be fitted with a plumber's body which is.

U

A utility body that is enclosed, very large body sitting on the chassis of a truck or van.

U

um It is used by this, the sign crew and the department of roads.

U

I will be replacing a 2011 chevy express 3500 van, and that van will be sent to auction.

H

How comes you're not getting four wheel drive on this one? uh This one won't be using any type.

U

Of snow removal, okay, so two wheel drive, is all that is needed. Okay, and with all that weight on.

U

The rear they tend not to have any issues where they would need four-wheel, drive, okay and.

U

Just to point out so we we are looking to move from a 3500 series van to the f-450.

U

Sort of increasing the size of the truck these utility bodies are very heavy. We've noticed the.

U

Maintenance is we have two of these vans right now, the 3500 vans- and it's it's a lot of stress on the.

U

Suspension we're seeing them in the shop quite often to get this work done. They don't handle.

U

Very well so, when you're going down the road, especially at high speeds, they start to sway.

U

You get some wobbles in the front, so we believe that that 450 is going to be a much better suited.

U

Truck for this, this large plumber's body, is this a tandem rear truck? No, it's it's a single axle, dual.

C

Got you thank you.

F

Okay, what else did you hear motion on this one? I moved the board of commissioners approved the.

K

Purchase of one uh 2022, f, 450, regular cab orbit, two with xl trim from apple ford in the amount.

K

Of sixty four thousand one hundred sixty three dollars and twenty five cents. Second, how long.

U

Before you get this, this one we're looking at six to eight months, also wow well, we'll ford put.

U

It 200 to 250 days so yeah everything is about six to eight months out, doesn't matter if it's.

U

Equipment, cars, trucks, everything yeah: I ordered a new dining room set six months to get a title.

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I got one I could tell you, okay, um any further discussions yeah, but then it's going to take you.

H

Six months to get it yeah, I don't need a new one. I'm ready to sell it now. So uh that's very nice.

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Any discussion on this scene here and then all in favor, okay, go away. Gentlemen. Thank you. Okay,.

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Let's talk about um delta airport consultants, task order number two for professional association.

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For the final design and bidding for the relocation of metal branch, road.

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Good morning, commissioners, thank you for your time today. uh I'm here this morning to request.

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Your approval to sign delta airport consultants task order number two in the amount of 252 000.

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For professional services for the final design and bidding for the relocation of meadow branch, road.

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Outside the future runway object-free area.

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Preliminary design is about 90 complete. This is the final design phase of the project before we.

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Move before we begin construction on the actual relocation of meadow branch, road.

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We have received a grant from the faa for two hundred sixty thousand dollars.

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Which includes twenty six thousand dollars in airport relief funds? This covers the entire cost.

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Of the task order and no county funds are required for this phase of design. The price is right.

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Okay, I'll make the motion board county commissioners approved delta airport consultants.

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Task order number two for meadow branch: road relocation, professional services check; okay, I got.

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A motion: I got a second any further discussion on this, seeing here, none all in favor, all right, okay,.

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Thank you very much.

A

I see miss wanda in the back, um so can you come up in a second or you can come up now.

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Just want to see if there's any open admin you have answering roberta further.

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Chris there's nobody there's no callers correct. We have no public commenters on the line.

J

Okay, correct um one thing um I have and tim you can help me out with this.

J

We need to amend the contract of sale to k and p um we're buying the property there by the landfill.

J

And all it's doing is um changing what we pay. When um I don't remember off the top, my head.

J

What it was, but it's just changing the dollar amount that we pay at settlement and pay.

J

Two more times and october 1st in january 5th, so because dollar amounts the exact same. But it's not.

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Yeah, so it's not changing the specifications on the purchase or how much we're purchasing it's.

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Just a scheduling, it's a scheduling issue. Only so scheduling issue only correct same amount of.

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Money is at stake. Okay, so we can handle this in open admin, not in another open item. Okay,.

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um I'll be asking you to sign that contract. That indicates the change. Okay, we're hoping.

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To settle with the next couple days on that, that sounds great. Thank you very much.

A

North carol high school are we going to be talking? I know I have a meeting later, but are we talking.

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At all about that um in session anytime, no, no, not that I'm aware of no okay, I'm just curious.

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Anything on anybody's mind for open admin. uh We do have the board of education meeting uh at 3, 30.

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There's about five things on the agenda, so it looks relatively late, but those are pretty.

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Meaty items that could be on the agenda that can last some good time. It will be virtual. We will be.

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Here at the dios uh doing that um and the board of education will be in their uh building.

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From this I was going to say from my view, I saw the shiny.

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Back head of somebody- oh that's, commissioner, lance no! I just saw the shine um I had to. Did you fill out your comment card. um Sorry. So.

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Anything uh open admin, commission, wentz, yes, open admin. You want to bring up anything.

H

No, I don't think so. Just kudos stop, I'm sorry. I stepped away, but I've got issues in my district.

H

Again, with roads that have washed out yeah, I saw and we're just trump road again.

H

Because you're right there with me on that one.

H

Well, washed out again every night sure so we're we're on that one. So I'll get.

K

Much more rain not into the county. Apparently I mean looking at your. Oh, your damage is up there.

K

I know it's always yeah yeah, I mean almost all these roads flooded. So there's a lot of.

H

Issues going on, but the sun's coming out so that'll help a little bit but trump.

H

Trump's out again yeah, so we're back up there again um so anyway. No, I don't have anything just.

A

Nicodemus has a tree in it and there's problems and there's a lot of roads, we're getting the.

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Updates yeah really impressed with uh you know three three things: one: the communications on.

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The activity that's happening on the roads, uh the work that our crews are doing and.

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Especially the partnership that they're doing with bge and others so appreciate the patience.

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uh Of our community, as this is all being done, but very impressed with the the the hard work.

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That they're doing right now um on the roads, because obviously we got a lot of water out there.

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You also probably see mr cook in here as busy as he is today, so um anything else open admin.

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Okay, we will be going into close for land acquisition, but.

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Before that, let's go through uh our agendas and, let me see, agenda begins with an a.

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Monday september 27th, I will be attending a reception with the fort meade alliance.

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Over at national business park uh in arizona county tuesday, we have nothing.

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Wednesday there will be the fall symposium from mako. All things arpa and commissioner wants will.

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Be attending in person yeah, that's in person. Okay, are we bringing any staff down there for that or.

A

No, we are so there'll, be some staff attending there as well yeah. I don't know who's gone.

H

Okay, just you know I'll drive, I mean it's, you know just I'll have to. Let them know that I can.

H

Yeah, I will be uh participating in these virtual. The governor's workforce development board at 3 30.

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uh On wednesday, at 6 00 p.m, there's a planning.

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Excurement planning, commission that'll be virtual. Commissioner. Lance will be attending.

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Commissioner, boucher will be uh participating in the carroll county public library event, uh with.

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uh The author nicholas sparks over at westminster high school- I'm probably going to be at that too.

H

The the planning and zoning by the way, the agenda for that is the introduction of ag.

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Rezoning so the the the residential will be up in front of us.

H

Shortly right because it's up to our level now uh so that that's just what that is wednesday.

H

Night, an introduction is to the process again for that, so so I I apologize.

A

We talked earlier, I thought you wanted to bring up during open admin. Oh yeah.

H

The value of planning and donation well yeah, so uh there there was. There was a lot of.

H

uh Discussion about the the uh redoing, our residential text, amendments and or whatever or.

H

Text and uh yeah, so it was, it was very well done. uh The dialogue and the debates and the discussion.

H

Were at the highest level that I've ever seen and a lot of great ideas uh came out of that so.

H

I'm going to suggest when it gets to our level in the interest of of making sure that not just.

H

Hearing from me, because I've been sitting on there but to hear from some of the folks that.

H

Maybe are on pnc that they would be allowed to come in front of us just to give some of their.

H

Thoughts as to how they got to where they got not in the in, we certainly can change those things now.

H

Because at our level, but I think it would, it would be important for us to hear how they got.

H

To where they got with some of those uh decisions, and many of them were not easy, um you know.

H

As soon as you say, cluster 87 alarms and 40 000 flags go off so that it's it's intense, so.

H

I'm not suggesting a work session, but I would like to say when it comes on.

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Our agenda that we allow for a couple of folks to be in here with us, so that there.

H

We can have that back and forth dialogue because it's been very good and as a result of that.

H

uh There were some, there was some question from the public about ethics.

H

I'm not sure where it came from or why. But I I, as we said during that meeting uh and I want.

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The public to know, however many are left, there's, probably not many, but you know.

H

Everything we do here is is so transparent that it it's just amazing and for someone to question.

H

That there are things going on because of what they do. I find very sad so.

H

Do we have folks that serve on our boards and commissions that have other jobs? Yes,.

H

Do we do we recognize that? Yes, is there something going on uh as a result of that? No.

H

So I was taken aback by someone in the southern part of the county.

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That suggested that that goes on here- and I I just I guess in today's world, where everybody's.

H

Mad and frustrated with everybody that that is kind of up ticking a little bit. But I took.

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Offense to it uh I said a few things down there to to make sure that folks did not.

H

Know that that was going on and again emphasize the fact that we do everything here in front of.

H

The camera and we're actually now interviewing for those two very important boards, pz and vz.

H

And get the right people on there, the future of the county. So that's all I wanted to say a.

A

Couple things one is to clarify: when you said down there, you meaning downstairs downstairs yeah right.

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And you know the you know the comment about ethics. um There is a way to address it and we have.

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Tools in place in our county to address questions of ethics and, as always,.

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We are always available for anybody within the community and if there is a question of ethics.

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We will ensure that it goes in the right place. It does not belong in social media, it doesn't.

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Get us anywhere it all, it does is build on hate, and that's not what carroll county is about. So.

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I appreciate bringing up, but I don't want to dissuade somebody.

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If they believe there's an ethical issue, then bring it up just do it in the appropriate manner.

A

I mean everybody's carrying 87 of these things on their persons. I mean come on, so all you gotta.

H

Do is call, and by the way, our director of planning, linda eisenberg, did an excellent job of explaining.

H

How the process works uh and and answered a lot of those questions, so um I don't know I just I.

H

Get frustrated with people that keep shooting darts and have no idea where they're shooting.

H

Them they're only shooting them because they heard somebody who heard somebody who said to somebody.

H

That heard from somebody that that was what was going on, I mean come on. I got you I I agree.

A

A lot of good feedback, I did watch the planning zoning most of it, not all of it. uh So I do look.

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Forward to us getting into the dialogue of the residential text- and I agree having.

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The the gentleman or all of them, yeah available for us, I think, is a great idea. Yeah, okay, um yeah.

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I knew there was something you wanted yeah sorry about that, thanks for reminding me.

A

Okay, so commissioner boucher westminster high school.

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Along with uh commissioner lance on thursday september, 30th.

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We have a final approval on our pension plan. Changes.

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Approval for a contract to purchase equipment at the sheriff's office.

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Discussion on rfp dealing with the harrison leicester property down in mount airy.

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A it's a discussion and possible decision, also correct. It is not just discussion, uh it.

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Okay, it is, you know, got it, it is uh harrison likes your property.

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um Rfp: okay: I request public hearing for community development block grants from citizen services.

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Dealing with special projects, feasibility study at the carroll county, youth services.

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Bureau they are doing so much work over there. um Public comment on improving.

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To renew microsoft, office 365 and exchange okay and mr campbell is doing that interesting.

A

Then we've got okay. Yes, it is that mr ripper ripper, unless mr campbell, now it works.

A

He's our new cio- I didn't realize that so mr ripper will be doing that. Wait. What I think it'd.

J

Be news to both of them roberta you're testing me on this. Aren't you you're like okay uh and.

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Then we'll go through agendas, nothing on friday october 1st. You know how it's saturday and then.

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October 3rd, commissioner boucher has the podcast the following week. We have nothing on october, 4th.

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Scheduled, commissioner, lance will be participating in the shock trauma board of visitors.

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Yep and that's virtual uh there'll be a ribbon cutting where we all will be attending the.

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Hampstead wastewater treatment plant uh that morning at 9 00 a.m on tuesday or wednesday.

A

Is the fourth annual alcohol retailer training seminar that commissioner lance will be attending.

J

I I think you're just giving opening remarks. You're doing remarks helpful. I mean you can.

J

Stay but thanks. I appreciate that the request was for opening you're good you're allowed.

H

To understand it, I'm probably going to stay, because I usually get my certificate.

I

Good to be certifiable, oh wait! That's exactly right! Okay, certified! Wait! What hold on okay? What.

A

On thursday october 7th until rudely interrupted, we have uh mako.

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Public comment is mike participating, yes, so they come and take so so uh and mr sanderson, the.

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Executive director of mako will be uh attending along with his team uh for an hour long discussion.

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On uh now, it'll just be him in the press: uh wilbur levin, good, caroline county, commissioner.

H

They do this every year that the president and the director come and visit the counties and.

H

I think we're one of the few that they haven't been to yet so I think they're finally catching.

H

Up to us cool it's their, they always their road trip. The president goes around visits. Everybody.

H

So I think it was a little um wonky over the last 18 months because of kobet the technical term.

A

Being wonky, yes, okay, then we're gonna have a discussion on chapter 51, sewer and water.

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um Request approval to hire a contingent senior center floater position. Excuse me over citizen.

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Services request approval to hire a contingent housing specialist over assistant services.

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A

I mean it's a nice scout, it's a nice agenda, but I'm not getting choked up on saturday there's.

A

An eagle scout ceremony over in hampstead, or are you attending that yeah I'll, be here weaver and I.

A

Will be doing a podcast before we go into closed? Is there any other discussion I mean if you want.

H

Me to get choked up over the agenda, I can get checked my youngest daughter's getting married.

H

On october, the 2nd so wonderful day, so that's good! If anyone would like to donate to the wants.

H

Ceremony fund, please feel free to reach out to me. Here's a highlighter.

H

Never let the slide or the chicken dance and please bring your noise meter to the wedding.

H

I will do it yeah I got it, I got. I got an app.

C

On tuesday, I'm doing the uh the career tech, construction tour. Commissioner frazier, are you.

C

Going on that with me, this tuesday coming, I believe I am great you're going with me.

D

But I'm like a little different okay, my district thanks for allowing me to go with okay. We will, as.

A

I shared be going into closed once others stopped talking, and then uh we will have once again our.

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Board of education joint meeting at 3, 30 sega. Wasn't it it wasn't you so I need a motion to.

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Emotionally go into clothes for land equals I'll, show you that thing. Sorry. I got a motion.

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A second any discussion on that all in favor motion to recess after close until 3 30., so.

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