Carroll County, MD Board of County Commissioners Open Sessions, 10 Nov 2022

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Oh okay, good morning, commissioner, ed roth sheen thursday november 10th and we are ready for.

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Open session before open session is always let's stand for the pledge of allegiance animal missiles.

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Allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic.

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For which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Okay, as always, let's start with priority carolyn. We have, I think, one proclamation after that.

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um Commissioner boucher, oh thank you good morning. Everyone out there.

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uh We're approaching a holiday season, I got some things that will come up before swinging brings.

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About I want to state that the carroll arts center has a lot of festivities coming up for.

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The holidays, they have gallery of gifts, festival reefs. They have a charlie brown jazz christmas.

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And I think I'm going to be taking my grandkids to the jack frost in a year about a christmas.

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Showing plus they also do it's a wonderful life. So if you're looking for things that are festive.

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In westminster to celebrate the holidays, please patronize the carroll arts center. Last week I had.

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The honor of talking to the heart of the civil war heritage area for those you don't know that.

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Is carol frederick and washington county's team up and work on public awareness of our.

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Historical civil war sites and encouraging tourism, the impact of the heart of civil war heritage area.

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Is realized by the combined effort of many who work together to preserve and share a historical.

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Cultural natural resources. In doing so, we broaden people's perspectives on who and what counts. In.

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The maryland story and recognize the contributions of carol, frederick and washington counties to this.

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Nation and the world, the historical area also contributes to the well-being of our communities.

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With an annual economic contribution of 450.2 million dollars, six thousand three hundred seventy.

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Six jobs support it and sustained and 60.3 million in local state and tax revenue. So I want to thank.

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All those people are involved, there's a photo to people, there's a very wonderful gathering. I always.

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Joke around saying to all the people in history, a bunch of nerds and ultimately nerds from the.

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World it's an honor to be part of that. We have uh jane shul there, our farm director. She did a.

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Little video clip each county gave a clip of what is impact in their county. With these resources, we.

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Received, I believe, almost a hundred and forty thousand dollars to help with her assessing.

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The quilt, so we have, we have historical quilts and setting up the exhibit and that ties in with their.

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Born quilt trail, so I want to thank all those individuals. Mr swim, do I have anything else. I.

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Did a stream cleanup of this boy? What a wonderful time that was we were out in new windsor this past.

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Saturday, all these individuals got together and we walked through the stream bottom. That park.

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Work and we gathered up a whole lot of garbage and it it's amazing how much stuff gets thrown.

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Out there's a pile there's tires: there's pallets lots of plastic and it's heartbreaking to see.

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The amount of trash gets thrown out in their inner resources, so it's also heartwarming for.

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Individuals to come out they're on the left is new windsor councilman kevin cornick got to talk.

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To him for a while, it's nice to see someone from the local government and new windsor out there.

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Participating there's uh firemat again down there with his hip waders he's a real trooper. He walked.

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A full stream bed through the park pulling out tires. We had to get shovels and dig tires.

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Out- and this is going to be an ongoing project, I encourage, as many people out there as possible and.

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You see these clean stream cleanups on the agenda somewhere go out and participate, it'll put things.

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In perspective, and also bring your children, give your children an awareness of what's out there and.

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As the stream bed changes with flood waters, more excuse me more and more trash and garbage will.

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Be exposed because years of pollution have settled into the ground and as the stream changes its path.

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It exposes new debris. It's like we've seen tires that probably been buried for 40 years. So this.

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Will be an ongoing process? I hope people continue to participate and, as I move on to a new civic.

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Duty, I hope the staff at the county contacts me and I will continue to participate in this process.

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Process and and help clean up get public awareness. I don't know if I have anything else there that'll.

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Do it and thank you very much, commissioner frazier okay here: is it roll call here.

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I was at the westminster senior center senior sets state in a second westminster senior center.

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Veterans day program yesterday with commissioner rothstein, it was, it was a very nice program. They.

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Had three veterans speak a couple: some poems some music and so forth, and one gentleman one.

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Of the veterans talked about it his time when he uh during the second world war, he was not in the.

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Second, world war, but he was a a person living a child. I guess living in the neighborhood.

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And talking about the impact they have in the neighborhood and he talked about the shortage of.

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Steel and rubber and the drives that they had, and he also was talking about rationing one thing: he.

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Wants to really affected him because you mentioned it three times was a ration of butter, so I guess.

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He really liked butter because he mentioned that several times, but there's the rationing butter.

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And it was, it was very interesting to hear from his perspective from the way he was talking. My.

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Guess he was like nine or ten at that time, so it was an interesting to go through and he's also.

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Talked about the uh air raid wardens when they have an air raid and they will go out at night.

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To make sure you couldn't see any light coming out of the houses and stuff like that, things that were happening back then were very. It was very interesting. It really was and I'll also say.

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That, tomorrow, I'll be at the gerstell academy's veterans day program in the morning, I believe.

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Commissioner, weaver will be joining me there and expecting another another great program there. As.

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Well- and you might notice, I'm sure you did on our high definition tv. I have a wrestling tie.

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On because wrestling practice has started for the um for the for the private schools started.

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Monday and I'll have to admit after coaching for over 40 some years, I'm a little tired at.

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The end of practice, now I get home at night, I'm not up too long, but I'll stop there. Thank you.

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Good morning I don't know if I can follow that or not. I know it's pretty tough.

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uh Long time coming and uh it's an honor for me to sit here today and say that we are hiring.

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For fire and ems department, what a what a journey we've had to get to this point.

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And um the the uh the ad went up, I think today or yesterday I believe.

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Yesterday- and you got that chris- I don't know if you got it or not, but anyway uh we're there. We go.

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uh And that when I first came into this job in in 2014, I was hesitant, then to say that we.

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Would be where we are at the end of eight years, because it's been a a long journey. uh But what a.

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Proud moment for everyone involved, including our volunteers, those that have come and gone in um in.

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Fire and ems, whether it be career, volunteer here in the county- and we are here today, uh beginning.

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The hiring so uh thankful for that and uh one just want to say congratulations to everyone. That's.

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Worked hard, I remember the the days in annapolis when we were down there, trying to make this and.

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Meeting with everybody down there and uh so we're here and um much success, I'm sure as we will build.

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The best combination department in the state- there's no doubt in my mind, are you applying so.

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um 24-3 weaver, I wasn't going to say it, but since you chimed in today's today's count is twenty four.

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And three: are you applying to the fire department uh we'll see? I can't answer that at this time. Okay,.

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um There are several high schools that are beginning their uh their musicals and plays.

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As a matter of fact, the francis scott key high school uh begins theirs. This friday and saturday.

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Evening with the midsummer night stream, I would encourage everyone to go out uh what a talented.

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Group of kids over there uh we'll be there on several of those nights, because I have a.

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Granddaughter that's involved in the production, but for those high schools that are involved and.

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Those high schools that are doing fall, musicals go out and see them, but again fsk has theirs.

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Beginning it's this weekend and then next weekend.

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Got a little bit of an ominous forecast coming up, so my public safety message for the day high.

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Winds and a lot of rain tomorrow to be careful out there, we're not out of this the storm season.

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Yet apparently, because nicole has some things, she'd like to say, as she goes up the coast.

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That's it yep, commissioner weaver. uh Yes, uh commissioner rostein I had the honor yesterday.

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Of attending the business advocates for veterans uh and police officers at post, 31 and uh todd todd.

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And karen mitchell, as always, did an excellent job and they were recognized caught off guard actually.

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Yesterday, for this lunch and they hold every year and they've done a great job, it was a packed house.

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I do want to take just a minute uh to recognize the people who they honored the police officer of.

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The year recognition awards to sergeant jason curtner of sykesville police department, the.

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Veteran friendly employer and organization of the year went to the keller foundation, mr greg calart.

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And our guest speakers- oh I'm sorry before I get that veteran of the year uh sergeant major.

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Adrian gamboa and marine corps retired and our guest speaker john bolt, he really talked about.

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His experience in vietnam and how he, through as a marine and uh with the third battalion, ninth.

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Marines he uh really had a lot of pictures and uh what what he went through as a young man 18 years.

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Old into vietnam so, uh and just just keep things in perspective, I think the average age for world.

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War ii was in the early 20s 24 5.. The average age in vietnam was 19., big difference on that and.

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It was really an honor to be there and, as his commissioner uh on the end over here said, fraser.

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We will be at crystal in the morning already, and I think we have a tv broadcast in the morning.

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First thing: don't we okay, mr osteen, so uh first thing we were given a new data regarding maryland.

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Unemployment, ranking and carol as expected is leading the pack with 2.9 percent unemployment.

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um Where the state averages 3.7, so congratulations to all those and we're going to talk workforce.

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Development in a few minutes as well and recognize all the work they're doing, but uh just the the.

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Partnership with our workforce development, our economic development, our tech center, the.

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Schools, the community college, all working together, gets us to that 2.9 percent so very proud of.

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Partnership when it leads to these type of results, happy birthday to our marine corps, it is uh 247th.

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Birthday of our marines, um I attended the ag board meeting and the board of education meeting last.

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Night, both very productive- the ag board will be discussing a little bit more later on this.

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Morning on their continuing efforts to make the ag center the place to be, and not just carroll,.

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County but the uh the region and the state, and um just very, very impressed with those.

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uh Engaged in the ag board and participate in the ag board, I'm very proud that uh you know I get to.

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uh Participate with them as well, because they just do some incredible things uh in our in our.

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Community in our county board of education same very collegial meeting last night, it only lasted.

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Two hours and 40 minutes so I got the uh the lucky one and I think definitely worthwhile and again.

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um I encourage well not encourage. I look forward to continuing the participation in.

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These boards and commissions and councils, as they just give us such a good understanding.

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To share across across you know the diocese and how we can better serve our community.

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um The veterans day, luncheon yesterday was a really uh wonderful opportunity. It was a.

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Packed house mission barbecue as always, does a great job. So it's a great opportunity to.

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Have some mission barbecue? It is uh free lunches for veterans. I believe tomorrow, for veterans day.

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um At mission barbecue, but they did cater yesterday and most important is uh the.

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Commissioner, to my left, uh commissioner dickie weaver received an award in recognition for his.

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Service uh just over the past eight years, but also his service as a veteran in the community.

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And he was caught off guard not by me calling him dickie but by the award he was presented and.

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uh Very proud of the work he's doing and we were able to bring up commissioner elect kenny kyler to.

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Help provide the award to commissioner weaver- um I will be attending this afternoon, and this will.

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Be going quickly because I'll be attending this afternoon over at vehicles for change.

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um Event where they are giving out vehicles for veterans that are still in need, so I'll.

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Be sharing a few words, but also handing keys off to uh some veteran families with.

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Vehicles and that's just it's a it's a great program so I'll be going from here to there.

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um Lastly, like commissioner frazier you shared yesterday morning, I thought was a great event for.

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Our seniors and there'll be senior center events uh across the county, recognizing our veterans.

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um I believe some today tomorrow and early next week across the different senior centers and the.

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Gentleman that shared his uh memories of uh world war ii- very um you know close to me as.

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Well, because my dad, this is the first veterans day where my dad is not with us. He passed a few months.

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Ago on july 4th- and he was a veteran of korean war, but he was also a child during world war ii.

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And his mom, my grandmother was an air warden in the community and you got a picture. This five.

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Foot nothing kind of stocky woman coming out of russia who spoke yiddish in some english, maybe.

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Telling these people to close their blinds- and I see lights and stuff like that- and the power of.

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The whistle was was her thing. She would have this hat on. So just a visualization of this. You know.

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This woman was pretty pretty special but um yeah it was. It was a tough time then, and he got through.

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It it's a tough time, you know, as we continue to move forward and we're going to get through it. So.

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um I think now, let's uh go right into the proclamation and commissioner, we did have a.

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World war ii veteran there yesterday incredible general in uniform, he was in uniform. He.

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um Enlisted in 1941 and he was a submariner yeah, so pretty impressive. The submarines.

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Didn't leak and he was still with us, uh yeah very impressive, uh yeah gentleman, so.

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Possibly, sort of on the tallish side and very very famous- I saw he wore his uniform.

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To the veterans event in may, I'm pretty sure it's probably oh yeah, yeah yeah.

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um Yeah very he didn't seem to have any mobility issues, any problems. No, he was walking.

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With his stick, but that's it and uh yeah very impressive, yeah, very impressive, very impressive.

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Okay: let's uh go with the proclamation for national apprenticeship weekend heather. If you.

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Want to come up to the chair unless you want to read this yeah, please no her on me. No I'm kidding.

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National apprenticeship, week november 14th to november 20th, national apprenticeship.

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Week is celebrated its eighth anniversary of raising awareness of the vital role of.

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Registered apprenticeships provided and creating opportunities by allowing apprentice apprentices.

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To earn why they learn in preparing a pathway to well-paying careers in carroll, county and across.

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The nation registered apprenticeship programs enable employees to develop and train their.

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Future workforce, while offering career seekers affordable paths to to secure high paying jobs.

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And carroll county recognizes the role of registered apprenticeships in expanding.

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Opportunities in our workforce that are inclusive of individuals who have been historically.

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Underserved marginalized and adversely affected by persistent poverty in in and and inequality.

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Thus, providing the path for all qualified individuals, including women, youth people,.

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Of color rural communities, just as involved individuals and individuals with disabilities.

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To become apprentice, apprentices and contribute to america's industries, carroll county recognizes the.

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Registered apprenticeship, a proven and industrial driven training model provides a critical talent.

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Pipeline that can't they can sorry they can train and build up our workforce to address our nation's.

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Pressing issues such as responding to climate change, modernizing our cyber security response.

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And addressing public health issues and rebuilding our our country's infrastructure. Now, therefore,.

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We, the board of county commissioners, do hereby proclaim november 14 2022 to november 20th 2022.

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Is national apprenticeship, week and assigned by all of the board of commissioners, and thank you.

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And uh you know, as heather we've talked about partnership with bill, you being here from the.

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School system with the techs center- this is just a great. You know, demonstration of that partnership.

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So appreciate bill you taking the time also being here, but any comments from us before you guys want.

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To go, you do want to make one comment that this is vitally important. We need people that know.

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How to fix things we need people for, for we need mechanics, we need hvac, we need plumbers, we need.

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Electricians, we need carpenters all that those skills are vitally needed and I have to say, and.

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I was a teacher for 40 years. Not everyone has cut out for college. This is a great program to.

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Go through to learn skills, it's a most. I say most, all these jobs, I'm thinking are high, paying jobs.

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It's something to look into if you, if you're anyone to say you know school's okay, but it's not.

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My thing look for an apprenticeship program, look for something you like to do with your hands. You.

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Get a really good feeling when you actually fix it or build something of your own. You really do.

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It's something I think our the youth of our country really needs to start looking into.

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Again, as it's vitally vitally needed, I will say bravo to commissioner frazier's words. I think he.

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Nailed it just the other week we went to a cdl graduation ceremony and we heard directly from.

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Someone express how these programs have touched his life and increased the quality of life for his.

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Family, you know, I remember when I first declared my candidacy four years ago to the first people. I.

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Emailed was dr eckel and dr ball, and I did that because I knew that the path to my success in.

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Life came from a vocational center coupled with the community college and that's a payoff, so many.

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Individuals out there can take you, go to community college and become a welder or an auto mechanic.

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It doesn't stop there, some of those individuals, progress on and become small business owners. They.

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Learn to become engineers, they become business managers, there's so many opportunities that are.

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Out there for people going to the trades and find themselves and sometimes individuals are lost in.

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Academic aspect of high school it they want to touch something they want to feel something they.

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Want to see a sense of satisfaction at the end of the day that they've made something, even if.

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It's being a plumber and fixing someone's tool it. These are things that are vitally important.

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So often we hear that the individuals in the trades are not that intelligent, which I find.

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Quite ironic, when someone has a higher education, can't change their tires, something intelligence.

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Is all a matter of perspective of your need and at the moment, so I applaud miss powell and dr.

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Eckel, you guys have been very good to me and I've enjoyed the last four years working with you. The.

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Cdl program, the welder program: you have impacted people's lives, I'm sure it's very satisfying.

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For you to accomplish what you do and run into these individuals in the future and then express.

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To you directly how you've impacted their life, especially with the students, so I applaud you on.

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What you do and I'm sure it's a very satisfying career that you have so thank you very much.

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Okay, thank you, commissioners, for your support and your proclamation apprenticeship is our way.

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Forward we talked about the low unemployment rate in the county, so we are looking at our.

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Emerging workforce- and that is the youth and, as you said I, I won't repeat everything but.

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um College is not for everybody, there's so many alternatives and the alternative to work and learn.

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um Is very promising for so many people, not only our youth, but all our citizens and just wanted.

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To make the community very aware of, what's going on with apprenticeship in the county,.

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We have several partners sitting at the table. The workforce development um board has put together an.

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Apprenticeship committee and it it's key partners and we're leveraging those partnerships to make.

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Sure, there's no wrong door to apprenticeship and to opportunities for job seekers in the county.

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Bill is with me today. I was hoping he would talk a little bit about youth apprenticeship, which is is.

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Rising and the work that we're going to be doing through carroll county workforce development in.

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The school system sure and youth apprenticeship is, is something that we have started engaging in. It's.

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Actually, a requirement under the new blueprint, but it's a good idea in any case, and so what.

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We're looking at is, you know. We have programs at the tech center at the high schools for students.

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To learn some of these skills, but we're never going to have programs in everything and for every.

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Student and so if we can make these connections with our local industry partners and get students.

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Directly involved through a youth apprenticeship, you know, then we can find the career path. That.

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Works for that student help fill a role with local business. How help the community? So it's a win all.

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The way around and you know, we've had registered apprenticeships, but you have to be 18. You have to.

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Be out of school and a lot of students are still trying to find their path, and so, if we can get.

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Them started while they're in school try some things out, find that you know specialty where.

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They feel like they can really provide value, that they feel uh that is, a nice fit for them.

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Ride benefit to the company. It's a nice path forward, so we're very proud to be working with.

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Workforce development and heather and making that connection trying to make it seamless for students.

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As they leave school to continue in the workforce and find that career exactly yeah, commissioner.

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Weaver you know years ago I had the opportunity to work with a man of great vision as part of.

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Gold's 2000 for the school system would happen to be your father, and it just carries through that.

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Vision and would it he sounded just liking what you were doing so, I'm glad to see you have that.

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Same focus and heather, I know what you're doing with uh with the development program over here at.

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Youth development, so this is all uh great things we're doing and it's needed. uh I remember going.

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To a conference in minnesota at that time we were talking all the major employers across the country.

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Just what they're asking for and darn, if didn't, come home and your father and started putting.

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Together, you stepped in have continued to put that together and we have a great program in carroll.

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County and every employer out here knows about it uh that in the tech center and the development.

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Programs, we have economic development, so this is uh fantastic. Thank you. You know just. uh Lastly,.

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um A I believe, a good friend and uh strong professional um former secretary of commerce.

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Kelly schultz, who was also secretary of labor, she started the apprenticeship program when.

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She was in secret as secretary of labor and she ran the governor's workforce development board.

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And asked me to participate, which I still do just like. The county's workforce development.

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Is not subordinate to the governor's workforce development, it's all about partnerships working.

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Together and that's that's key is, do you know this attitude of subordination doesn't make sense? We.

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Don't go anywhere, it's all about partnerships, and um you know you've shown that with uh our.

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Governor's workforce development board and the work that you're doing in establishing it.

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Splitting from howard county was a really good idea to get us to stand up on our own and.

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um You know I just really look forward to participating in uh in the future efforts.

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um You know, because we're going to continue to make a difference. So thank you. Thank you and, and.

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There is excitement at the table, the partnership- I I don't think we've seen this level of.

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Cooperation for quite a while between so many different agencies and community partners, so it's.

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Exciting what we can do, and and just the thought that you know to put out to other businesses, it's.

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Not always registered apprenticeship, it can be. We can create apprenticeships for pretty.

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Much all industry, and- and that's really what we're looking to do in carroll county. We don't.

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Have a lot of large businesses that are used to registered apprenticeships? Because that's a very.

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um Prescribed process, but yet it we can incorporate other things into it. So that's.

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Good, okay certainly make opportunities with any kind of business that would like to participate.

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Yeah, you know we can it's not just manufacturing and construction right. If somebody wants to work.

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With us we'll find a way, yep sounds good to. uh Can I give a real, quick plug to a veterans event? We.

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Have going on at 10 30 over at workforce today, absolutely today um we are partnering with the.

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Department of labor and the tech council and at 10 30 there's a presentation: it's a veterans, job.

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Club so we have at least 25 veterans registered. We have state representatives from the apprenticeship.

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Program the re-entry program, but it's really focused on using technology in job seeking and.

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That's where the tech council comes in they've, been delivering technology computers to a lot.

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Of veterans locally, so we're excited that that's happening today. We've come a long ways in taking.

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Care of our you know military community as they take the uniform off and go into sylvania close.

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Like this program you're talking about so I really appreciate you sharing that sure.

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Thank you. Thanks want to get a picture and start business.

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Text amendment 2158.095 to establish the historic preservation commissioned under the planning and.

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Zoning commission I'm working on it good morning, commissioners, good morning so today I have with.

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Me edwin gregg, who is the historic preservation commission, chair and hannah weber? Who is our staff.

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Liaison to the historic preservation commission, um so the reason we're before you and as a text.

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Amendment is because the historic preservation commission is actually established under our.

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Zoning code, so that chapter 158 that you all hear so much about and in order to make any amendments.

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To that it has to be referred to the planning commission for their review recommendation.

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And eventual referral back to the board of county commissioners. um The reason we want to come before.

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You to do this is because, as you know, boards and commissions are hard to staff um and heart.

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I'm sorry hard to bring commission members on board, especially when that's completely voluntary.

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There's no stipend for the stork preservation commission over the last several years. They have.

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Continued to have diminishing commission membership so out of a, I believe, a seven.

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Commission um they're down to three commission members and with that we thought and it might.

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Be a good opportunity to explore the possibility of having. Instead, the planning commission sit in.

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Place of the historic preservation commission, when there are exterior renovations to be had.

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In historic union 10., I'm going to have hannah uh just briefly briefly present to you, I'm about her.

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Hpc and what this would mean, and then mr greg is here to also talk with you and answer any.

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Questions about why we should be moving forward with this. We have met separately with mr greg.

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And mr wallace who's, the chair of the planning commission and then we've met together to make.

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Sure that this isn't coming out of nowhere that everyone's been involved in the discussions so.

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I just wanted to make you aware that um planning commission is supports this, as well as the hpc, so.

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With that I'm going to have hannah, I'm just give you a really brief presentation about what our.

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Historic preservation, commission is, and what area it covers in the county good morning, everybody as.

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Linda said, we are here to discuss the transition of the historic preservation commission or the hpc.

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But before we get into the transition, I wanted to go over what the hpc does their purpose and.

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Things like that, so the purpose of the hpc is to foster and safeguard the heritage of the county.

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By preserving sites, structures and districts of historic significance inside the historic.

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District overlay or the hdo, the commission decides whether to grant requests for exterior changes to.

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A property inside the hdo after a hearing on the matter and as linda said, the hpc roles.

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And regulations are in chapter 158 of the county zoning code and it's listed under the hdo chapter.

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So in the county, the actual only area that the hdo covers is the historic district of.

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Uniontown, so this means any resident that is inside this historic district overlay boundary.

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Must apply for a work permit with the hpc and for work to be done on their exterior.

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Property, the hdo is approximately 156 acres and includes approximately 100 properties and.

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The historic district of uniontown is listed on the national and county historic register.

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So getting into the transition, as linda said, we currently have three active members and it's.

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Been a struggle to keep and retain new members and keep the hpc active and viable to serve the.

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Residents inside uniontown, so some benefits of transitioning, the hpc to the planning commission.

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Is the planning commission has more than doubled the members on their commission, so this would.

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Prevent the likelihood of not having enough hpc members for a hearing, the planning commission.

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Has more of a public following which could prove beneficial and public awareness of the hpc? Their.

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Role and the importance of historic preservation and then more public awareness of the hpc could.

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Lead to a possible expansion of the hdo district to similar historic districts like uniontown is.

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So next step we are here for your referral of the chapter.

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To the planning and zoning commission for their recommendation back to you all.

D

For me, it's weber, thanks for the presentation. I think this plays in well with the heart of the.

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Civil war heritage area, because union troops had staged in uniontown prior to being moved into the.

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Battle of gettysburg and uh chair greg, it was nice meeting you at the event the other night.

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And this is vitally important for us.

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And it brings in tourism to preserve uniontown uniontown is a very unique place and one night.

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I was watching c-span history channel and a professor was on there talking about the.

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Battle of gettysburg- and he mentioned uniontown carroll county. This is a national broadcast and.

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He was encouraging people from all over the nation to come to uniontown maryland. I was so.

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Honored that I'm part of this county and we're nationally recognized for that little town he's.

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Bragging about when you go to this town, it's like going back in time and that's precisely what it.

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Is so this is vitally important. I applaud the decision that you're making here that, in order.

D

To preserve this board that you move into this function, so thank you very much for all. You do.

A

Okay, any comments: anybody for a motion. I make the motion of the board. I'm sorry go ahead, I'll just.

F

I'm going to make a couple comments we'll make the motion first I'll make the most of the board.

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Of county commissioners forward to propose tax amendment to the finding zoning commission for.

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Their review and recommendation second, okay: I have a motion. A second further discussion.

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I think it's a good move, uh mr greg. I'm I'm happy to hear that you've. You guys discussed.

F

This and and are in on this it it has been a challenge. uh Any towns in my district and.

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Over the last eight years, there have been some challenges over there, as most of you know so,.

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um My only hope is that, and I think you addressed it with that one bullet point you had on the one.

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Slide that it just is not uniontown. We've got a lot of other historical areas in the county.

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As a matter of fact, there was a schoolhouse that I got involved with up on bark hill, that.

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Needed some assistance and when we tried to get that assistance we really didn't have.

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um Enough to to us to help them so hopefully this will will help too, and it's it's not just about.

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Uniontown, it's about all of the historic areas in this county and there's quite a few of them.

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uh And I hope that they come up with a with a good method if it's under uh planning too, because I've.

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Heard from some of the folks in uniontown, when people buy something over there or own a home.

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That are limited in what they can do, which is a little bit of a challenge, and I don't know that they know that when they go into it.

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So I think that'll help with this too. So while I value that historical uh part of it, I also value.

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The fact that I think this will be an advantage moving forward for not just that little bird.

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But everything else around and I I hope, that's part of it too. It is part of our plan.

L

36 carroll county that are state recognized which lends itself to an opportunity for funding for.

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Different, um you know renovations and things like that. So if we can couple that with those.

L

Just those those world villages, one team to become part of the historic district overlay and that's.

L

One thing that's interesting here: this was not thrust upon the uniontown community when this.

L

Was established, they actually came to the county and said we want this to be a historic district.

L

They have buy-in from their community, and that would be the same approach that we would take.

L

With the expansion of any additional historic district overlay districts- good yeah yeah, it's.

A

Good that sounds great. It's a subset of you know the end state where you want to go with.

A

All those worlds, that's fantastic, that's good to hear. Okay, yeah, that grant thing is, is really.

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Important too, because we're we, we have rapidly lost a lot of historic structures in this county.

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You know pleasant valley is a perfect example. That was a thriving.

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uh Village and everything that was associated with the business part of it is gone.

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I mean just gone so hopefully this will help slow what little bit we have left and that's what we're.

L

Hoping to do is just strengthen our history, work, preservation, resources to expand opportunities and.

L

This is just the first step of doing that: yeah, good, okay, okay, fantastic! Any further discussion.

A

Seen here, none all in favor. Thank you, uh chris. Do we have anybody on the phone? Thank.

A

You so much. Thank you very welcome. No sir okay! Thank you. Okay, next from esteem, public attorney.

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Proposed amendments to the county's ethics ordinance good morning, I know it seems like we've.

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Been talking about this for a long time, but we have each october I'm supposed to certify to the.

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State. Ethics. Commission that our ethics ordinance is in full compliance with the the state ethics.

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Ordinance and in order to do that, we need to amend our current ordinance to reflect some state law.

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Changes that were made in 2021. see, I dragged it out as long as I could 2012. those changes.

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Were to the state law were made in response to some nefarious activities associated with the.

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A previous public official in a large city of maryland, involving coloring books or something.

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Like that, but what the state amended their state law to to cover such situations explicitly and as.

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Such we are required to amend our state law accordingly again, the amendments.

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Create a definition of quasi-governmental entity and they specifically include the university of.

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Maryland medical system there's a mako and mml uh net, which is again I someday someone should.

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Give us an explanation as to why that's in there you have to treat any gifts you receive from them.

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The same as you would from any other lobbying groups for the purpose of reporting each. It.

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Prohibits specifically disclosure of confidential information by former officials or employees that.

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Was always implicit? This is explicit, so once you leave office or an employee leaves office.

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They're now explicitly prohibited from disclosing confidential information and the ethics ordinance.

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Would apply to that? There was question uh uh prior to that. I say I'm out of office. I don't care about.

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Your ethics ordinance well, this will. This now specifically throws the net over an individual who.

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Provides confidential information acquired during their office or employment to another person for.

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Their gain after they leave it, prohibits retaliation against individuals who report.

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Ethics violations, it prohibits the disclosure of certain information and financial disclosure.

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Forms currently, if I want to see your financial disclosure form, I I can go see it. This allows the.

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Requires a local ethics commission to refrain from disclosing certain financial information.

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uh It requires disclosure of gifts from mako or mml in your financial disclosure form.

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In excess of twenty dollars or or gifts, totaling a hundred dollars or more that's again, treating them.

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The same as any other lobbying group requires you disclose any relationships with the uh university.

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Of maryland medical system, any local governments or any quasi-local governments and expands the.

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Types of interest you have in businesses uh that need to be required on your financial disclosure.

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Form again, this is these are changes that we're required to make to our local ordinance, because.

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Of the uh amendments that were made to the state law in 2021., I haven't gotten any public comment.

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Or emails regarding this either nobody wants to publish a coloring book or anything. I moved.

D

That the board of county commissioners adopt chapter 34 ethics, ordinance amendments. Second,.

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Okay, I have a motion and a second: is there any discussion on this? All in favor, aye.

A

You see us okay, thank you. Land resource management.

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Carroll, county water resources element update.

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Morning, commissioners,.

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The office of procurement and cooperation with the department of land and resource.

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Management received proposals for the carroll county, water resource element.

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Update an evaluation committee was formed to conduct a technical and financial review of the.

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Proposals submitted the committee evaluated all proposals based on criteria detailed in.

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The proposal the highest ranked firm for this project is hazen and sawyer, and the amount of.

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262 500 4.89: this amount is within the adopted budget and no additional funds will be necessary.

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I can give you a little bit of background on that too. So.

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The water resources element is one of the state required comprehensive, comprehensive.

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Plan elements that we need to complete. It was first adopted in 2010, along with all.

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Of our municipalities and it's under state law, these plans have to be updated. Every.

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10 years, but the state just came out with guidance on how it needs to be updated at.

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This point so we have budgeted for this and we are proceeding with hiring the consultant to do.

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All of the technical background information that we need in order to incorporate what's.

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Required under the guidance and into the plan element and then update it accordingly, foreign.

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The um the bid process.

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I mean, was it close? Was it I mean we initially.

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um Commissioner, we initially solicited for a statement of qualifications right um and from.

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There to shortlist, the uh three uh two vendors, I'm sorry right, um the only two vendors we received.

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In the statement of qualification were hazen and sawyer, and the other barton and lotus here.

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So then, from we took those two and then submitted um to them an rfp in which they.

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Respond both of them submitted their technical and financial reviews and um from there they.

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Were evaluated but they were the only two that right we received proposals. You know, I think.

A

What what may be helpful is seeing the.

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um The tool you use in comparison- you know it's typically a block chart. You know where you're.

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Putting ones and twos and threes and fours and prioritizing you know it's it's a per chart, so.

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Where you're waiting the the strengths of how you're doing the evaluation.

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Not to go through it necessarily, you know during the presentation, but to making it available.

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For us to see it, especially as we're going to be transitioning so.

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um I think that's going to be important uh and it doesn't take away any trust or any.

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Understanding of the professionalism that you have in doing this, but it's also an opportunity for.

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um You know folks to see it. You know from from the diet, so just let's consider that moving forward.

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You know again key is this is not new, this is in the adopted budget, you know and again it's not.

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New money, you know that all of a sudden we're spending, because it's a large sum when you're.

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Talking six figures- and I want to make it very clear continuously that the budget is set and.

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This is now you know, executing a budget that we established so okay. I appreciate just think.

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Through that you know chris, and um I think it's a great idea, yeah well, I appreciate that. Did you.

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Hear that commissioner fraser it's great: okay, okay, um I'll move the board of commissioners.

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Award the contract for cc water resources, element update to asian sawyer in the amount of 262 504.89.

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Second, I got a motion a couple of seconds any further discussion, all in favor.

C

Aye, okay: let's talk about thank you. Approval of change, orders.

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For the construction of the locust wetland, storm water management facility.

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Ers were here today to ask her approval to increase the contract to kibler construction.

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For the locust wetland, stormwater management facility in the amount of 101 thousand dollars.

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101 740.19: this project has encountered numerous sinkholes throughout the course of construction.

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Therefore, generating additional change orders in order to proceed with the project, the amount is.

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Within the adopted budget, no additional funds will be necessary. So, uh commissioners, we were.

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Here before you, uh I guess a couple of months ago, and we had encountered some sinkholes- that we had.

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To repair and continuing the construction, uh we we've encountered additional sinkholes a total of.

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20 sinkholes we've encountered out at uh at the locust wetland project while we've been.

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Constructing it in order to repair the sinkholes, uh you know the additional money was necessary to.

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Repair, the sinkholes that we encountered. We also um added some uh structural things in where we.

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Change the type of the pipe to ensure that it's watertight, because we don't want any chance of.

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Water leaking out of the pipe that would would exacerbate sinkhole activity in the area and.

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Some structural concrete under uh pipe in the road to ensure that we don't have problems in.

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In the road bed that, uh where these storm pipes or storm water pipes are installed and a liner.

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In one of the four bays, uh where we encountered a sinkhole to keep that water from infiltrating down.

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There as well most almost all the costs that we're we're asking for are related to sinkhole repairs.

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There is one additional item that I wanted to mention is uh when we originally designed.

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This project we were, we we knew we were going to excavate and george street to put storm drains in.

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um The uh installing the storm drains would have essentially took up most of the width of george.

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Street we uh we wanted to essentially to make the project look good. We wanted to repave the width.

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Of george street, and that was all included in the original contract price. However, we went out there.

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And started digging, we found out that what we have is not a road that was built to uh to any type of.

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Standard but essentially it was an old torrent, ship road that was overlaid with a with a bit of.

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Asphalt so in order to fix that and and bring the road up to uh to a standard, uh there's additional.

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Costs to have the road, regraded and and have subgrade installed and and that's a cost of.

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Ten thousand nine hundred fifty nine dollars approximately so uh the majority of the change.

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Orders are related to the sinkholes, but there is that one additional change order that would.

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That would fix the road properly in the area where we've been working and, ultimately, I think what.

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We're you know, you know, the the outcome of this project will be uh uh will be a good stormwater.

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Facility for for the town of union bridge that uh captures a large majority of well a large portion.

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Of the drainage area in the uh in the town and it's it's something that they're not going to.

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Have to worry about having a undermined because of the care that we've taken and.

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Ensuring that uh that we've done what we can to mitigate the problems with the geology out there.

D

Well, mr singer, I appreciate all your work on this from stick from day. One you took me out.

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There and seen the site before ground was broke. You took me out there and showed me the progress.

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And I went there and seen those sinkholes they're quite scary. I must admit when we were around that.

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Cinco I kept my distance because it's a scary thought that the soil can cave in and you don't.

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Be down in the mud and potentially disappear because you hear horror stories in florida.

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It happens so uh I know it's a great challenge for the contractor to be out there and I very.

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Much appreciate the direct involvement you kept with the town of union bridge keeping.

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Them informed this is a wonderful addition to the community out there and I applaud everything you.

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All have done and with that I moved that the board of commissioners award to contract for.

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Locust wetland, stormwater management facility to kilber construction company inc in the amount of.

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One hundred and one thousand seven hundred forty dollars and nineteen cents a second.

A

Okay, I have a motion. I have a second. Is there any discussion on this? You know it's a change.

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Order, usually you guys are all over change, orders and tired of change orders. I know and.

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Today, there's no comment interesting, I'm waiting for you hear what you have to say now. I didn't.

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Argue the other ones when they came up. Okay, well I'll argue this one. I was waiting to hear what.

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You guys get into big debate, we had a couple up with charles carroll and it was like you know. I'm.

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Not sure which guys you talking about me well a couple yeah a couple of people debating about why.

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Change orders are so bad, so honestly guys and okay. Well, it's wasn't me, but I do get frustrated and.

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You know this and chris, I know you know this, and so is brian in our our staff. I do get frustrated.

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With change orders, um you know sometimes the environment changes which causes a.

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Change order to develop, but when we find that there's not enough forward thinking.

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Established in a project and a change order is then needed. That's bothersome and we're going.

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To deal with that in a little bit, I believe on another project um and regardless, if it's.

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A dollar or if it's a hundred thousand dollars, it's our taxpayers money and we need to guard.

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Our taxpayers money, the way you know it's, it's meant to be um so I agree, and I've been this.

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Way for decades, you know when I've dealt with uh projects and it just so happens. This is in another.

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You know job I have but yeah. I get very frustrated when I hear change orders I mean if you look at my.

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Book, it's circling the numbers, I'm like wait, a second here's, the original forecast. Here's.

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The next forecast- here's, the third, it's like. Okay, let's get this done right um and I know you don't.

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Like that, well, let's get done right because it was wrong before well. It was wrong before and.

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Why was it wrong? Could it have been forecasted differently or did the environment change? It.

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So it's not just about visiting sinkholes. You know and worrying about that. It's about understanding.

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Do we have the right people in the right place to make the job done uh in the right manner and.

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You know sometimes the lowest bidder is not the right answer uh to save a few dollars, because it.

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Costs us longer in the end, um I don't know, but you know how I feel about it. I mean, but with that said.

A

It has to be done and we're stuck so so those are my comments, I'm happy now I heard it so. Okay, you.

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Know I just didn't want it to go, I mean change. Orders are they're a challenge. I just can't do.

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Them it's a challenge for all of us, and unforeseen circumstances come up all the time I get it, but.

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I agree with commissioner rothstein. I don't know who initially bid on this.

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But you know sometimes maybe a stronger look instead of just low bid is something that we.

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Should really be engaged in and forget about the rhetoric that's associated with? Well, you.

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Know these guys are spending whatever uh and didn't take low. You know not taking a.

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Low bid well, this is the perfect example as to why maybe we need to take a little bit.

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Of a stronger look in some cases, this is no disrespect to staff, but in some cases.

F

To not just the low bid, what other things are provided as a result of the bids that are a.

F

Little bit higher and I love the way that we do um you know with that last you were talking about.

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Coming up with that, that schematic, or whatever it is as to how we got to where we got maybe.

F

That would be helpful in in the future for these for these bids and it's not the system guessing.

F

Stats right, no, it's not, and I want to make sure I'll say again: it's no disrespect to staff, but.

F

You know sometimes these these contractors come in and man. It looks good on paper, but.

F

You might miss something with the next bidder that said well, we were going to do that and it.

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Was part of our bid, so it just you know we can that's all just. You could look into a different.

O

Procurement method and then such as the one we used for the water resource element update, which.

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Is an rfp where it's just based on qualifications, once they're technically reviewed, then you receive.

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The financials and you rate the financials right, so we could look into it. A different procurement.

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Method, which would be the rfp process versus the bidding process, where you're strictly on.

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Low bid right yeah, that might be, that might be good moving forward, carry with the with.

F

Eliminating some of these yeah uh change orders, but but good commissioners, I I just with this.

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Contractor it's what we've, what we've encountered here is is not the really the contractor's fault.

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It's it's uh it's a matter of geology and I understand if things get missed on plans or.

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Or you're getting charged for things that really ought to be part of the job, but there's no way.

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That the contractor could have known that we were going to encounter 20 sinkholes. That means they.

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Had the haul in material to fix those sinkholes and materials to upgrade the the infrastructure.

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That's that's that the that that's going over top of where, where this uh geology is that we.

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Did borings in advance and and we we really- uh we didn't- expect to encounter this on this site and.

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um I I don't know how you uh it's. This is one of those things that you know when you talk about an.

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Act of god, this is truly one that I think we would have had a hard time forecasting uh that we would.

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Have run into I, I very pleased with the contractor they've they've uh been very responsive to dealing.

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With these, we've had to have uh our geologists go out there and direct them into what needed to be.

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Done because with a sinkhole- and I I don't know if you guys have seen these sinkhole repairs, I.

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Know, commissioner boucher has seen what's going on out there, but you have to excavate down to.

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The third of the sinkhole to fix it right or otherwise what we'd have is the possibility.

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Of a truck disappearing or a car disappearing into a sinkhole in the middle of the road and.

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um You know I understand, I don't like having to come before you and explain why why we need a.

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Change order, but this isn't something that was due to a lack of planning. In my opinion, it's because.

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Of uh things that we couldn't see in the ground that that part of the geology out there anytime.

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We do a project out in in union bridge new windsor area out and out in the wakefield marble. There's.

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There's a possibility you're going to run into unknown geological conditions and and regardless.

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Of how many borings you do these pinnacles go up and down it's it's impossible to know about all of.

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Them I I appreciate, but actually the conversation we're having here is not directed at this specific.

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Issue: it's not it's! It's procedural! It's um much more of a holistic understanding of the kind of.

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It's it's not this specific and regarding sinkholes, I'm very familiar with sinkholes.

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And there's some been some nasty ones. Glory days had a pretty nasty one a year or two ago.

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um Private property, but still I mean it, could have put a whole town in that damn hole. I just.

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Felt like I needed to take up for my contractor, you don't need you, you don't need to, and it's not.

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Again, it's not questioning uh your skills and the staff skills, and it's not questioning this.

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Specific contractor's skill set or um willingness, um no we're talking about much more procedural and.

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Holistic, understanding of how we're getting from here to there and when change orders are necessary.

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You know it's hey the environment, caused this to happen. Unforeseen x, you know, um because you can.

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Get nickel and dimed and we don't want to get through that. But I appreciate your comments and.

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uh Sticking up for your contractor, uh you know I really do, but that's not where we were going with.

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This so yeah where's the accountability in this. I know things are going to happen and like this.

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One in that area, cinco is going to happen, but who has the accountability to make sure these.

G

Change orders are not coming back to us. Is it the engineering firm? Is it where is it falling apart?.

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Well, I don't think it's falling apart. I think I mean who's missing. Something in this is what I'm.

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Asking I think you have to take it a case-by-case basis, yeah this in this. This is not a good time to.

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Have this conversation because it seems like it's, it is related, even though I know you've said, but.

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Because this could not have been foreseen, but it you know, building construction, for example,.

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Is a better example: yeah, that's more where I was going. I get the sinkhole thing, although I.

F

Will say if you're going to do anything in union bridge new ones, you're used at it, you're, probably.

F

Going to hit a sinkhole, I mean duh geologically yeah. So so this one's going to move forward, but.

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The conversation we are having yeah yes, it could be for more of an open admin. Type of conversation.

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But and yeah it opened up because we talked change order and and those two words and this.

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Is a big one and they've been here before for the same kind of thing, and commissioner wen started.

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It so yeah, I started just food for thought for the future. That's all yeah exactly, but we can.

H

Definitely look at either our procurement process or you know our our bidding process or um you know.

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Just internal you know, reviews to ensure that we minimize those as much as possible, so it the.

F

The bottom line with me is low bid is not always the best bid. That's all that I want to say right.

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In this case that you know the one thing that we've thought about, if we have a, if we have.

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Some of these we do have another project. That's uh we're looking at in the future,.

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In the new windsor area, we we- what we probably do- is get them the bit of contingency fee for.

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Certain time and materials for repairing sinkholes and that way you know up front.

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This is if we encounter sinkholes. This is what it's going to cost us in materials and time based.

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On you know, you don't know how big the sinkhole is going to be necessarily, but we could have a.

Q

Time of materials type of contingency bit into the contract, so that you guys could approve it.

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Up front, we don't have to come back to you with a change order, yeah and that that's that's good too.

F

It's always it's always good to say: hey, we had a prod, we had project y and we've got a hundred and.

F

Ten thousand dollars left over and then only yeah, yeah and now everybody's, like oh okay,.

F

As opposed to project y that got budgeted at this, but yeah now we need another quarter of.

F

A mill because right we we hit something here or whatever, and it's more so, as you said, with.

F

The construction that we do because sometimes I don't really understand that at all, because.

F

There's really not a whole lot of change going on there other than you know. We hit something here.

F

Whatever so it's just food for thought for the future, uh it isn't going to affect four of us, but.

F

um You know, but it's something we can definitely look at, but I do agree it might help to to drill.

F

In on that a little bit yeah, I do agree with that. I mean there are multiple procurement methods that.

O

We can use in this case. I do you know we generally do do a bid for this type of work. It usually works.

O

Out fine minimal change orders in this case it was just unforeseen. I mean we've had unforeseen.

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On multiple, you know other projects and a lot of times it's during the excavation process, where.

O

They do go in and see unforeseen circumstances. They know we had that at charles carroll as well.

C

We did um so, um and it's usually during that course of the phase of the construction that.

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um That happens, unfortunately, in this case that, like ed said the borings were report was it was.

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Completed and nothing came back, but you just don't know when you're going to hit that, but generally.

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We don't have issues like this oftentimes, I you know, I'm sure lance is absolutely right. I talk.

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About change, orders and oftentimes, mr rippers can come up here in a minute talking about licensing.

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Or something about software, and I'm always asking, can we do it for three years or five.

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Years as opposed to one year, I'm always looking for that. You know savings in that way. um These are.

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Common questions and that are being answered, and I appreciate that uh forward. Thinking by you and.

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By the staff in in you know, in doing this, um no, I thought this was great discussion. I do appreciate.

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It, commissioner wentz, um you know getting us started on it, because it is important what what's.

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The end, what's the end date on this project, are you getting close so we're we're uh construction.

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Substantially completed out there, all that we have left to do is to uh finish paving the part.

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Of the road, that's within our limit of disturbance and we'll pretty much be uh we'll we'll be well.

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A project will be wrapping up and uh once grass gets established would close. The grading permit.

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And close it out so, and you know, I can't guarantee you that nothing's going to happen, but we're 99.

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Completed and I don't I don't anticipate uh that we're going to have anything else, go and go on.

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Okay. Okay, so I got a motion. I had a second, I have discussion any further discussion. I want to ask.

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Will there be any tree planting eventually around that? Will that be part of the past? The trees are.

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Already in okay, good, it's gonna be very lovely, it also has tubes around them. These are large caliber.

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Trees that the answer is no okay, let's move on to a change order in put the tubes on the trees, but.

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Shall not talk about white tubes, okay,.

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Calling for a vote all in favor of this aye aye? Okay, thank you that was painful white.

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Tubes: okay, mr ripper, come on up. Let's talk about cis endpoint security services, renewal.

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Foreign commissioners, good morning, this isn't a change order. Is it no? I have no change orders.

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This morning go ahead good morning, the office of procurement, in cooperation with technology.

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Services request your approval to award the cis endpoint security services to.

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Center for internet security incorporated in the amount of ninety thousand dollars.

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This is within the approved budget, and no additional funds should be necessary.

R

Morning, the this is the completion of the first year of this contract that we've had with them.

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We started this last year around this time. This is an extremely important part of our.

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Cyber security measures after the user- this is the next best thing, and what this software.

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Does is it looks at all of the devices that we have on our network on a constant basis.

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To see if it looks like anything's coming through, that shouldn't be coming through or.

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Any systems or communicating with the outside world in a weird way or that type of thing so.

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And this does go to a sock, it does. Yes, it goes to a 20, a 24 7 sock and we get notification. The.

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Second, that we know there's a problem: we get a phone call: email, yeah, okay, okay, I make the most.

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Of the board of commissioners award is the cis endpoint security services to center for.

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Internet security in the amount of ninety thousand dollars. Second, okay: I got a motion. I got a second.

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Any discussion seen here, none all in favor, all right: okay, laser fish, annual support, renewal.

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The office of procurement and cooperation with technology services requests your approval to.

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Award the renewal for laserfish annual support services to mcci in the amount of 46 944.30.

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This purchase is with uh is within the approved budget. No additional funds should be necessary.

R

This particular product, commissioner, is our primary document management system.

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It is electronic storage of all important documents, I'm not going to read through all.

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The departments you can see them listed there on the page that use this product. It does interface.

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With quite a few other applications in the county and has been our primary support now,.

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I think for about a dozen years for document management, and we have to do this annually, we.

A

Cannot bundle this into a long term? Actually, I'm glad you asked that I'm glad that question.

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um It is now the policy of our department every time we renew one of these contracts.

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To see if we can get an extended term that will provide a discounted cost, that's the.

R

Big thing at the budget office sure ask for it. You know a lot of places are willing to do a.

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Three-Year contract but they're not willing to discount the price to do a three-year.

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Contract, but that is now an active part of our policies, fantastic. I really do appreciate that.

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Okay, I'm the board of commissioners award the renewal of laser fish annual support to mcci.

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In the amount of 46 944.30, second, I got motion second, any discussion seen here: none all in favor.

C

Aye, okay, thank you. Commissioners have a good day, urges of the liebert heating and cooling unit.

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Commissioners,.

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The carroll county bureau facilities solicit a quotation from ward boland, a single source vendor.

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To purchase one liebert heating and cooling unit, we request your approval to purchase this unit for.

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More boland in the amount of 65 514 dollars, this purchase has budgets approval and no additional.

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Funds should be necessary more commissioners, we're here to approve and award ward bowling.

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The contract for facilities to purchase one liebert unit for the it data room here at the.

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County office building units are high efficiency units that are designed to provide precision.

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Climate control to it, rooms, uh humidification, dehumidification, heating, cooling, whatever.

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That room needs the current libra unit unit is roughly 28 years old and it's at the end of life.

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And this is downstairs in the basement and it's single source, because oh so liebert.

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Is a manufacturer that has certain reps in certain areas that you got to go to those reps.

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To buy those units right and ward bowling is the local rep where you got to go, buy these units so.

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If I would have went to a contractor, they would have went to ward bowling to get this unit well.

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I just cut out that middle purchase and I went right to ward bowling because we have an account.

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With them in both the unit in-house and probably save some money in the lab, so we're doing that.

T

Yeah, yes, when you ask for that single source comes into play when you state high efficiency.

D

Does that mean that this unit will consume less electricity owner owner it? Will it will assume a.

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Lot less electricity uh run time, efficiency, all the above and plus, with a it room. You need to.

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Be concerned about static electricity and this unit, when I say high efficiency is also higher.

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Than his regular ac units that don't control those those variables that you have to maintain so will.

D

Long term help save us money. That is correct. Thank you. Save money and save equipment right.

F

All right I'll make the motion. We approve the purchase of one liebert heating and cooling unit from ward bowling for 65 514. Second, okay, you got a motion, I think maybe.

A

A couple of seconds uh all in favor all right and just uh an fyi. The units are 52 weeks out.

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Yeah, at least it's not a year, so the one that's there now is 24 year old. It is and.

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There's a backup there, so we have two units down there for redundancy okay, so we're looking for.

A

A 25 year old, but we have something for redundancy. That's right. I lived my life.

A

Of this stuff, so over the agency so yeah, let's make sure yeah, let's keep running okay thanks.

A

uh Let's talk about 2022, pipe culvert and storm drain. Oh we got one yeah. I apologize gotta install.

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It now flip it: okay, installation of the liebert hvac system for the it department or since it's.

F

52 weeks out, we could probably wait yeah. No, I just bought it, we don't have it installed, got it.

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The office of procurement in cooperation with the bureau of facilities are requesting your.

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Approval to use the term contract to advance heating and cooling for the installation of the.

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Liebert hvac system for the id department at the county office building at a cost of twenty nine.

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Thousand seventy dollars this amount is that the adopt is within the adopted budget. No additional.

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Funds should be necessary, cea, commissioners, we're looking for the approval to award advanced heating.

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And cooling uh the installation portion of this job for the lieber hvac system for the I.t room.

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uh Vance, heating and cooling will be replacing all refrigerant piping from.

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The basement to the roof and any associated duct work. That's involved with this transfer.

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um This is going to be a turnkey project, electric ductwork, refrigeration, piping, everything. That's.

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Included in this price is a turnkey. It's going to run once they get the project completed.

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um Advanced will perform the factory startup to ensure we have that liebert.

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Warranty factory warranty, which is one year in parts in five years, on the compressor.

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So once we get the unit in, they will come in on the back side and do the installation for us.

A

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Foreign, the contract for installation, the hvac system, the id department here at the office building an.

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Amount of twenty nine thousand seventy dollars. Second uh motion got a second and discussion.

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All in favor all right, okay, thank you, mr mcdonald, before you leave, I want to thank you for the last.

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Four years you have taken me in the mechanical rooms in the basements you've taken me on the.

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Roofs to see the mechanical systems, you have given me a thorough, in-depth understanding of.

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All that takes place to maintain our buildings and I'm very very grateful that you did that for me.

D

Thank you, you're welcome, okay, let's talk about the 2022 pipe culvert and storm drain rehabilitation.

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The office of procurement and cooperation with the bureau of engineering requester approval to.

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Award the contract for the 2022 pipe culvert and storm drain rehabilitation to pleasant's.

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Construction and the amount of 578, 120 and 24 cents, the office of procurement solicited bids.

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For the project received three which are listed below pleasant construction was the.

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Lowest, responsive and responsible bidder meeting all the terms and conditions advertised in the.

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Solicitation this amount is within the adoptive budget and no additional funds will be necessary.

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This project includes placing approximately 2655 linear feet, are cured in place, pipe and pipe.

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Culverts and storm drains segments, ranging from this 15 inches to 48 inches in diameter. There.

U

Are 49 locations on 17 different roadways? These are the roadways that are part of our current.

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Pavement rehabilitation contract, this type of work will extend the life of the pipe another.

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30 to 40 years there are some studies that say it'll last as long as 50 years, we're just doing.

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The 50-year mark of of this product being in place so we'll see if it meets that 50-year mark.

U

The estimated cost to replace all these joints, these pipes and and the joints.

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And everything else is over a million dollars. So if we were to excavate all.

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These it would cost over a million dollars, so we estimate the savings to be about 470.

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000, in addition, a lot of these pipes and culverts are in yards and neighborhoods, and it would it.

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Would be a lot of impact to those residential properties if we were to have to replace them.

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So we've used this contractor before for the same type of work in fy 21 and according.

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To their website, they've installed over 1.2 million feet of cured in place pipe in the u.s.

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Foreign [music] commissions awarded contract for the 2022 pike, culvert and storm draining rehabilitation to.

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Pleasant construction in the amount of 578, 120 and 24 cents. I will second and also mr lenoche.

D

And I'll accept my gratitude to you, just as I did mr mcdonald you've taken me out. Let me.

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Meet the road crews for the storm drains, the bridge inspections that was all very vital in.

D

My four years of service, thank you very much. You're welcome. Okay. I got a motion seconding.

A

Discussion see you there, I apologize. Do you have there's 11 locations on mayberry road.

U

Yes, wow okay, 11 pipes that we're going to be lining on mayberry road.

F

Okay, that's that's just kind of jumped out at me. I'm like good grief. I have a lot of trying to get.

U

Water from one side of the road to another in a lot of locations, they put it in the right place so.

U

We can, you know, get it to where it belongs right, and I would I would assume that's mayberry from.

F

140 all the way over to 97. does that include east mayberry or if there's it's, not the entire.

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Section we did the um the 97 side end or previous okay, okay, there's a lot of water on mayberry road.

F

So I guess it makes sense: okay, go ahead; okay, any further discussions seen here, none all in favor.

A

Aye aye: okay: now let's try and get you some help with the traffic engineer.

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The office of procurement cooperation with the bureau of engineering requester approval.

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To award a contract to wallace, montgomery for traffic engineering services and the.

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Amount not to exceed 78 thousand dollars. Wallace montgomery is one of our term.

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Contractors, which was competitively bid through the procurement process.

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This amount is within the adopted budget. No additional funds will be necessary.

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So we're here today to seek your concurrence to continue to utilize the term contract, to provide.

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On-Site consultant traffic engineering services for up to three days per week for a maximum of six.

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Months, six months, the traffic engineering position became vacant in march of 2020 since november of.

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21 we've had a consultant three days per week, assisting with us and the workload while this.

U

Is not our preference? We have not been successful in hiring anyone to fill this position. So what is.

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Your preference to fill the position for five days a week is full-time counting, employee.

E

In what do we pay for that position? um That is a c13. The range is 64 376 to 115 877.

E

Do we have anyone? Has anyone interested in probably you know, there's interest in.

E

This position had a few positions. We had somebody here for a few months and then.

U

They left to go to another county. um We've had two other interviews. We made an offer.

U

um We were, we thought we were in the ballpark and when the offer was made, we weren't even.

U

Close to their needs, yeah, um and we have not had anybody recently apply recently. The this.

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Job description was changed um so that the salary would be commensurate with the experience we are.

U

Competing in a tight field right now, other jurisdictions around us, frederick, baltimore.

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Harford and howard all have positions similar to this that are advertised and in the private sector,.

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There it's it's difficult, they're, hiring seniors now that are still in college. To start this field.

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They're putting them on the payroll, while they're still in college, there's summer, interns that are.

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Usually juniors, they all have jobs. They're. Now, looking at sophomores for interns yeah, it's a.

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Tight market right now, yeah and that's actually, where my mind was going- was the seniors getting.

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Them into internship roles and then recruiting right now, college but you're saying that's already.

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Being thought through with other jurisdictions and private community in the same positions so.

A

Yeah, the private sector, folks, I've talked to and they're bringing in those those seniors yeah at a.

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Rate which the third and fourth year folks in their firms right now right are being paid so.

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They're having to move them up through right, so it's a real tight market right now, yep wow doug.

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Did you want to share uh yes, sir? Thank you. I just wanted to mention that, uh in line with what chris.

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Is saying we have had some initial meetings with our new human resources uh director uh director.

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Bixler and we are uh trying to strategically target uh this one, as well as our county, surveyor.

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Position which has been vacant a lot longer and we also uh contract out to a local surveying company.

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For those, so we are starting again, we've continued to to keep working on it. We are trying to get.

V

Those filled all good just take out the word new. She is no longer new yeah one month. So, okay.

A

Okay, well, it's a necessary position to be filled so.

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I make the motion the board of commissioners authorized. The department of public works.

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To utilize the term contract with wallace montgomery for the contractual.

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Traffic engineer and the amount not to exceed seventy eight thousand dollars.

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Second, I got a motion I got a second. Is it to utilize or use the term kind of regardless.

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Any discussion all in favor all right, just saying do you say regardless or irregardless,.

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Irregardless to utilize, okay, let's start that again, thank you do that in here.

A

Okay, change building remodeling, that's right! We're sitting over there is this.

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A change order, building remodeling of two staff restrooms. Let's talk about two staff restrooms.

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Commissioners were here today to request your approval to award the remodeling of.

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Two staff restrooms to lines construction, a current term contractor in the amount of.

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Seventy four thousand eight hundred and four dollars a request for quote- was listed from.

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Two contractors, with lions, construction being the only respondent to submit a quote the work.

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Will be performed under the term contract that was previously awarded through the procurement.

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Process this amount is within the adopted budget. No additional funds will be necessary.

W

Good morning, commissioner,.

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um Bureau of building construction is for you this morning to request the award of a contract to.

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Lions construction to remodel two restrooms at the change building, which is located on stoner avenue.

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Joining me, this morning's eric burdine deputy director, dpw and dave valentine or project manager.

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For this project dave's here to address any questions you may have for this project and again.

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Time and thoughts you'd like to say good morning, commissioners I'll just give you a.

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Brief description of the project and the overall condition of the restrooms as they stand right now,.

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The restrooms, the current restrooms, are in poor order with damaged stalls, broken fixtures wall.

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And flooring tile, that is in poor condition and the facility is currently not up to code.

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During this renovation, we'll be conducting a gut renovate, removing everything currently in place.

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And replacing with new partitions flooring, wall er and wall towel led lighting fixtures.

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Fixtures hands-free, faucets and flushometers, along with new mirrors and trash receptacles,.

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This will bring the current restrooms up to the current ada code and county plumbing code.

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And make a clean and modern facility for citizen services, staff and clients to use.

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This project is within the approved budget. No extra funds will be needed.

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We have worked with lyons construction before with good results and anticipate new issues.

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Commissioners, do you have any questions regarding this project? Have we prioritized the.

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Bathrooms in county facilities to either stay status quo and or upgrade, um or is this a good.

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Idea to do because you know piecemealing projects, you know in different facilities.

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You'd be kind of like the road projects we know which roads we're going after in prior to order.

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um I don't know I mean it may be something no of no value or it may be something of value. I.

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I don't know for expectations, um you know just so again. The community understands here's a prayer. I.

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Apologize just here's the priority of efforts because we're using dollars. You know that are.

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Not ours as communities in making it more suitable for staff to then take care of the community, but.

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You know kind of going through that path, so I apologize eric. Do you have comments? I guess so.

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This is part of the renovation to the project or to the to that building over there for citizen.

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Service to move in and during that process we do have to bring this these restrooms up.

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To ada compliance, so this is the old um change building change, building: okay yeah! It was just.

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Purchased right, okay, you're. Looking at me with confusion, I just didn't catch that, but I got it.

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No, it's the old new building, it's the old new building right right. It's an oxymoron.

D

This project, aside to your bigger question about prioritizing bathrooms or or whatever right, I.

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Just want want you to understand that every year there's a process we go through between facilities.

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And building construction and budget to say what are all the things out there that need.

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To get done, what are the things out there that we would like to get done? How much money do we have.

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Available for doing it so the end result of that is a prioritization not bathroom by bathroom, but.

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Bathroom against this against, you know whatever projects, and you know the the reality of what.

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We have to deal with is we're we're generally trying to figure out what is the most urgent.

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Problem that we have what's going to be the biggest fix that we can make within the budget.

A

I appreciate that, and that is a very clear message that needs to be understood because.

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The budget is not done behind closed doors, it is very open and discussed, and then it gives us.

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The opportunity, as commissioners, to have the discussion about exactly what you just said.

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But this attitude that it's done you know in in secret is counter to what you just shared. So I.

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I do appreciate that um and it's important so wait is there only two bathrooms in their day.

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There's two bathrooms: currently the building's going to be split into multiple uses right.

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Half the building is going to be used for citizen services and the other half will.

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Then be turned into the family shelter area, so the other bathrooms will go into the scope of.

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Work for the remodel of the family show: okay, that's where I was going with my question: if.

F

You do them all at the same time, but maybe not in this instance. It okay that'll, be in a.

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Totally different project, okay, currently in this project, I've renovated all the offices.

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Painted everything installed, new closets I.t closet, the flooring has all been redone.

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um And then we're going to look to where the pool area is to fill the pool in oh make hey come on.

F

Man talk about fun come on. I think anybody would like to swim there. It's a cement pond literally.

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And turn that area into a conference area and a training room wow for staff and county staff.

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To be able to have another venue to go to to have a training area, a conference room.

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So all this is kind of coming together at one time to get citizens services staff moved into.

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Their area, so they can start utilizing it yeah. When is uh when? Is it going to be open right now?.

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We can have them move in as soon as probably I would say the end of december. Really. Okay, that's.

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Some office furniture is already in place. um We just had I.t in there to put the new fiber in so.

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It's moving along pretty quick, and that was just one of the problems with this project is trying.

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To get contractors to agree to the deadline that we're trying to keep to get this project moving so.

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That we can get the staff in their offices, that's great great work, yeah, so great location and yeah.

F

Good work on your part nicely done: are we using the most water, water, efficient um fixtures and.

E

Because, yes, this will all be that's very important. Energy efficient, I mean you'll, have sensor faucets.

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Flushometers will be censored and they'll all be. I wouldn't call it low flow because in any.

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Building that has cast iron pipe, that has any age. You really have to be careful to the amount.

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Of water that you cut back because it just leads to other problems, so you kind of go middle of the.

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Road to make sure there's no problems down the road facilities with pipes being clogged due to.

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Not enough pressure to flush the pipe out, I think you learned something new every day, mr valentine.

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Thanks for being in here today and you look quite appropriate italian shirt, a dress, shirt.

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I've never seen that way before, and I know that your crews have a lot of respect for you. You do.

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A wonderful job on the front end, I appreciate everything you do and I like seeing that this.

D

Is going to be ada compliant and most of all, the inner energy efficiency? Ultimately, that impacts us.

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All and the cost we have in our utilities, so thanks for all you do. Thank you, commissioner.

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Make a motion after saying all right: well, I moved the board of commissioners approved the award.

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For the remodeling of two staff, restrooms that change building to lions, construction company.

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In an amount of seventy, four thousand, eight hundred four dollars second got motion. Second,.

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Any further discussion on this okay, all in favor aye. Thank you. Thanks for the discussion absolutely.

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Installation of residential water meter vaults on beasman road, always a highlight, always a highlight.

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Hawkins street albrecht, road and caracara court good morning, gentlemen, a lot of wildersburg.

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The office of procurement cooperation bureau of utilities request your approval to award.

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A contract for the installation of water meter vaults on beesman road, hawkins, street obrecht, road.

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And caracop caraca court within the freedom district service area to hdi contractors in.

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The amount of fifty five thousand seven hundred dollars this award is being made.

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Via competitively bid term contract bids were solicited from four contractors and proposals.

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Were received from two of these contractors, the pros the proposals are summarized below.

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The bid amount is within the adopted budget and no additional funds will be necessary.

Z

Good morning, once again, gentlemen, um this is the latest project regarding the county-wide.

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System-Wide upgrade from indoor water meters to the current standard, outdoor vaults and water.

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Meters, it's not one of our most exciting projects, but it's very essential. This does focus on 33.

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Residential properties on beesman, road, hawkins, street old, brick, road and whoever named this.

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Court with this name, I believe it's pronounced caracara, but I'm not really sure they're they're.

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All located in the western portion of the freedom service area for background for.

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Background and including when I, when I appeared before you two weeks ago for a similar project,.

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7572 of the 8230 freedom district residential accounts will have either been upgraded or.

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Scheduled for for transition to outdoor vaults and meters with this project- oh I'm sorry, prior to.

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This project, with this project, the completed total, will increase to 7605 and we'll leave a balance of.

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625 units, many of those are townhouse developments which are more tricky than single family home.

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Communities, so they they will take approximately three more fiscal years to fully complete.

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The average unit cost of this project of 1 688 dollars is consistent with our.

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Other recent water meter ball projects and, as you are aware, with with many previous.

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um Openings open agenda items, we have a very good work history with this contractor hti.

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And, as you can see by the bids, the hdi and mid-atlantic were very close to one another and.

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And we're pleased to see that any questions for me yeah just one- is this part of the enterprise fund.

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It is from where it is where that gets. Money comes from on this: okay, okay, I'll move, the.

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Board of commissioners award contract for the installation of water meter vaults on beasman.

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Road hawkins street albrecha road caracare court within the freedom district service area to hti.

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Contractors, in the amount of fifty five thousand seven hundred dollars. Second without motion got.

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A second any discussion on this great work, all in favor aye. Thank you, john. Thank you. Thank you.

A

hmm Okay, mr zaleski, would you like to come up and talk about the first quarter, fy 23 budget.

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Update and fourth quarter fy 22 results and ms deb t looks so excited to do this. Okay,.

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So as as you said, we are going to talk a little bit about the current fiscal year and a little.

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Bit about the last fiscal year start with the current fiscal year, looking forward, where we're.

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Going to be heading from here or where we think we might be heading uh right now we look at the.

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Year end for fiscal year 23 and we're projecting that we would have a surplus of about 13 million.

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Dollars, I'm going to talk a little bit more about that, but keep in mind that it is only november.

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uh The revenue picture is still out there to unfold. We don't know what kind of snow year.

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We'll have so don't fall in love with this number. It's just what we've got right now.

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Of that 13 million you remember every year we plan.

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To carry forward to another year, one percent of the budget that's be about four and a half.

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Million dollars, so we think that'll leave us about eight and a half million dollars.

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On the revenue side, uh we don't expect anything really interesting to happen in property tax.

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uh Income tax remains the most interesting thing we have to look at. We have not gotten.

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A a major distribution, yet uh some of the little pieces we've gotten so far were about.

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Three hundred thousand dollars below what we we budgeted, don't take any message from that. Yet.

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It's just it's not enough to draw any conclusions. Recreation is also an interesting story. Right now,.

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We anticipate being a couple million dollars in excessive budget.

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But this is a. This is a changing picture. Now you might remember the last couple years.

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We've had a very, very hot housing market, which has driven recreation when covet hit. We fully.

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Expected that the housing market was going to slow dramatically and we budgeted that way of.

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Course that didn't happen, so in 21 we had a big year in 22. We had a big year right now, we're still.

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Probably going to have an unusually strong year in recreation, but this is changing the the how much.

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Revenue you get is driven by how many recreation transactions you have and how big are those.

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Transactions, how big those transactions are uh is is still strong and maybe even still growing. The.

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Number of transactions is starting to slow. It had no surprise. We knew this had to happen sometime.

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The only question for 23 now is just: how quickly will this change and it's not it's not beyond my.

Y

Thinking that the second half of the year, we might see a very significant slowdown, uh both.

Y

Because a lot of people have already bought houses and second, the interesting interest.

Y

Rate market is changing. That's going to change some decision making out there.

Y

So we look at everything we know right now about uh revenue projections. Again, we don't know a whole.

Y

Lot yet, but we figure maybe two million dollars more than budget at the end of the year. On the.

Y

Unexpended side we're figuring about 11 million dollars that is largely driven by open positions.

Y

Another thing that's changing, though, with the recent compensation changes and some of the code.

Y

Changes we have had some growing success, getting positions filled not everywhere. There are still.

Y

Places where we're struggling but they're they're definitely been progress. How will that translate.

Y

Into open positions and the savings that goes along with that, we'll have to watch that play out.

Y

The other big piece of this is the fire ems transition. What we budgeted for.

Y

uh Is not happening on the same timetable, so there's going to be savings in fiscal.

Y

Year, 23., looking ahead, that's no savings because all we're doing is is shifting.

Y

When we'll start to spend the money, but this year there will be some savings.

Y

uh How much savings we have 1.5 million dollars in our projections right now, yeah, okay,.

Y

So, at the end of fiscal year 22 we had unassigned fund balance or what people.

Y

Commonly think of as surplus of about 34 and a half million dollars, uh we're figuring about.

Y

Eight and a half million dollars at the end of 23, which would put us, was about 43 million dollars.

Y

We've talked about this in other times, but a good time to remind the world. That's listening here.

Y

This is an unusual situation for us. uh This is not the kind of number we're usually talking about.

Y

Fiscal years, 21 and 22 were not typical of how things work, and I do not believe are.

Y

A good indicator of how things will work in in the future. But when we go into the.

Y

Fiscal year 24 budget, we will be going in with a a strong position on um our reserves.

Y

Fiscal year 22., looking back to the year, that's ended and this can be a pretty.

Y

Short high level look, the comptroller will be coming in in the near future to go through the.

Y

All the financial statements where you'll touch more deeply on some of these things.

Y

But on on the revenue side, uh we came in about 36 million dollars over budget.

Y

The the reason is basically the same things I just talked about: income tax and recreation.

Y

Tax and uh two things happened there with both. We budgeted carefully not expecting what happened to.

Y

Happen so our starting point was lower, so some of the surplus is because of where we chose to.

Y

Budget and then some of the surplus is just because it was growth beyond what we expected.

Y

And in both cases again, we we don't believe we can count on that growth. Continuing.

Y

Recreation, I don't think there's really a whole lot to talk about there, except what is the timing.

Y

And exactly how much to change income tax is still a bigger question and still a topic of.

Y

Conversation across the state and with the state trying to figure out where this is headed as we've.

Y

Gone through these last couple years, we've added something like 15 million dollars to the base. This.

Y

Is not about how fast are we growing, but just what's the line we're growing on? We didn't jump.

Y

Into that we approached that pretty slowly, but as we got more data, we saw what was happening.

Y

You know it was hard to argue that this was not sustainable growth. uh That's already in there.

Y

This question is still hanging out there. Now is: how much more is there beyond this.

Y

I can say I have lots of questions and concerns. I'm not unique, though I've been talking with.

Y

A lot of people who share the all the same concerns that that I do, including at the state.

Y

Where they have a lot more data available than we do and they've got people to work.

Y

On that data that we we don't and they're they're in the same place, you're wondering.

Y

How much can how much can we reliably build into our projections? Our first big.

Y

Distribution for income tax is at the end of november.

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So in a couple weeks, we'll get our our first look now, as always that one distribution is not enough.

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To tell us where are we going, but it starts to give us something to think about some more.

Y

And then uh recordation came in more than eight million dollars over budget and part.

Y

Of that was because of where we budgeted part of that was just because of how strong that it was.

Y

On the expenditure side, what we didn't spend but was budgeted same kind of idea with fire.

Y

Things have not progressed as quickly as we budgeted to be able to go. We had a mild winter.

Y

We had about nine hundred thousand dollars left in the storm emergencies budget and um you know.

Y

Then there's others, but it's spreading spread across the the organization and the budgets.

Y

So 22 left us in a strong position right now. 23 would look to to build on that.

Y

And now we just uh continue to watch and see what's happening and in a few months.

Y

We'll be digging more deeply into what are the revenue projections? Look like he.

A

Income tax that came in didn't come in um he's a liar. I mean it's coming in at the end.

A

Of november, the last income tax, what okay? The big distributions are at the end of november.

Y

The end of march february, oh the end of february, the end of may and then the last big distribution.

Y

Comes in three pieces to get some of it in june, some of it in july, and some of it in august. So.

A

Combining that june july august, what was that I mean? Are there any trends right now that we can.

A

See, or are we waiting for the end of november to really give us a feel walking into uh fy24.

Y

We never get to a place where we say: okay, that's the information we need this. This is.

Y

Just constantly evolving and the idea of trying to identify a trend with income tax is just.

Y

Inherently dangerous because yeah we there there aren't trends. um Sometimes you look at what just.

Y

Happened in the last three distributions, he said: okay, I know where we're going right and then the.

Y

Next distribution not only doesn't go there, but it goes in a different direction and I mean we've.

Y

We've experienced this for for years. You know it's just uh it's just the way. It is that's fair. I mean.

A

um Okay reading the tea leaves uh tvs are easier they're just sitting there. You can read those.

F

The um that's that's the consistent message since I've been here for eight years and.

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Two other my colleagues have been here for eight years too, which has always been.

F

Good as we look to move into the next budget now, obviously we're not in that same place.

F

But those numbers, even through the pandemic, that we're coming out of which was.

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Puzzling and challenging, and whatever word you want to throw at it um for us to be where we are.

F

I think says a lot about that, consistent messaging, that you provided to us and you know I'm. I don't.

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Want to speak for everybody, but I'm proud to have worked on eight budgets and voted in favor of all.

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Eight, knowing and working with that, consistent messaging that you have always provided, which.

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Always led me to being you know, confident as we move forward. There were some years we sat here and.

F

Oh boy, where are we going but um but that that message was always here and I think we're we're.

F

In a much better place, as a result of that- and you know I don't want to get on a soapbox here-.

F

But I you know, I maybe it's time because there's only 24 days left, but um who's counting who's.

C

Counting how many but eight eight eight very challenging budgets over the last years and.

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um Again for me, yeah, there were times that that I didn't know where we were going, but I always.

F

Had that message uh and appreciate what staff has done and always at the end of.

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The day in may, when we signed on the dotted line, knew that that vote for our budget.

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Was the best place that we could be so and that's with fire, and I mean we added a brand.

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New department, uh that's that's going to grow and you know so anyway. I'll get off of that.

F

But it's just it's a proud moment for me to hear these numbers and to hear you with that.

F

Consistency- and I hope uh the um I use the word hope, and I don't know you don't like that ed, but.

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um But I hope that the other four colleagues coming in will take that message as strongly.

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And bank it as strongly no pun intended bank it as strongly as what I did so that we were.

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Able to do that the most challenging part of this job- and it was it- was.

F

Very vocal to me when I came in here is the budget and all things associated with it, because that's.

F

What makes the engine run here, so I don't know kudos to you. Ted you've been along for the ride.

F

The whole time so have you deb and it's been, it's been a it's been quite the challenging ride.

F

So I appreciate all that- and this is a very positive look at what lies ahead and that's.

F

That's I that's good. You mentioned the pandemic, which reminds me yes, we're trying to figure out.

Y

What's happening right and one of the big questions that's still lingering is.

Y

uh I think we can say very confidently that part of the re, a big part of the reason why 21 and 22.

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Played out the way it did was because of the federal stimulus we're past the federal stimulus.

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Now but we don't yet know exactly what's the transition from where we were to where we're going.

Y

And the other really big question mark is on income unearned income and also income. That's.

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Not about withholdings, where we can, we can see the money coming out of the paychecks, because we.

Y

Know you know the the a large part of the increase we've experienced was in an unearned income that.

Y

You can't count on that. In fact, you can count on that. You can't count on it, but exactly what.

Y

Impact will that have right, that's what we don't know. You know there's um comes to mind and I.

A

Appreciate your comments, because again maybe not in this chair, but I've been doing this a long time.

A

Dealing with these type of budgets, some that we're in more control of than others and.

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There's three c's: you know consistency, confidence and clarity and appreciate.

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The consistent messages that you provide um because you're not the engineer of the train.

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That's us you're, facilitating the discussion to allow us to steer and figure out the gas pedals.

A

You know going faster or slower, you don't think trains have sky pedals, but whatever I don't know.

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I don't I don't know, don't you pusher or whatever anyway, but you're, not metaphors, yeah, but but but.

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You know this attitude that you're, you know you're. The driver is, as commissioner wentz.

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Would say absurd because you're not that's us and we don't take that lightly. We don't.

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um You know, distribute it, we don't um delegate it, but you and your team have facilitated.

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um The consistency so that's important. The confidence is also very important and it's not.

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Blind confidence, you know it's not confidence, that discussions were made in back rooms, and here it is.

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And just say: okay, because it's on the sheets, but it's getting into the details. um So that's been.

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Important and then the third, which is the most, is the clarity and that's at the end of the day.

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You know on 31 may I think, there's 31 days in may: okay 31! That is our responsibility to have that.

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Clear message of this is the next year's budget out outward thinking. um Clarity is so important.

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And that's why we are a triple triple a because of confidence, consistency and clarity. I mean there's.

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No doubt in my mind um and it's yeah- these are great numbers, you know walking. You know that.

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You provided we have a long ways to go because fire ems is a massive muscle moving. You know.

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In the county that we've taken on and uh it'll be very interesting having that discussion.

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Early late winter, early spring about how that's going to happen because.

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um We got we got to continue to get further clarity, and you know the lieutenants uh are going.

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To be hired soon, hopefully- and uh you know we'll see where we're going as far as uh the employment.

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But we still have a long ways to go and I think that I mean, wouldn't you agree, that's the largest.

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Muscle moving, you know in the county right now, yep that we're taking on fire ems probably should call.

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It ems and fire, but well you know yeah, okay, on that same boat, but yeah. That's that's huge!.

G

I I just love hearing that message: carroll county is good financially and that's due to.

G

You're watching it, the taylor and the rest of the crew, just keeping an eye on what, on.

G

The conduct on the engineer here or the train you have, uh but uh it works very well and I I.

G

He knows ted's over the years. Sometimes you guys can drive me crazy on this budget thing, but it's.

D

A short drive, it's short drive, but you've done a great job of tempering. That and- uh and it keeps.

G

Us it keeps us focused and we are in good shape in carroll county and the message has to get out.

G

That yeah carroll county is strong financially compared to a lot of others, and I think our aaa.

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Bond rating and everything else really shows that so thank you. I want to add to the praise.

D

And reiterate what my colleagues said thanks for recognizing the parallel between the interest.

D

Rates and recordation fees, a lot of people- don't pay attention to it, but thank goodness, you're.

D

Out on the front line- and I want to thank you- director, zoski over the last four years so much.

D

Of my success as the county commissioner has been directly related to your wise counsel and advice.

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On these fiscal budgetary issues, you don't say a whole lot, but when you say stuff, I'm hanging.

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On the edge listening to your every word, and I strongly advise the next commissioners come in.

D

Pay close attention to what your office does. You provide very wise counsel. Thank you very.

D

Much in spite of fact, you have a steelers lanyard on okay, any other conversation really good update.

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um Good numbers, I mean you can't can't take away that these are good numbers to to walk.

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Away from uh this morning, so anything else, deb mom in the back anything good with james, okay,.

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Fantastic, thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. I have one more item. We do yep.

F

County administrator, wait, oh man hold on.

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Position request is that the item that is position request for omb? No, where is it.

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The county administrator is oh, I apologize uh for deputy county administrator and I probably.

Y

Wouldn't even really characterize this quite as a position request. uh We have talked about this.

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Previously- and you might remember, this goes back to when we first started facing covid and started.

Y

Examining the organization to say what do we do if things go, go bad that led us down many roads.

Y

We've taken on some stuff already, we made some significant code changes made some significant.

Y

Compensation changes you've heard about next steps. Looking at job descriptions, job classifications,.

Y

Career ladders- that's all the big easy to say here's this thing, but there's a lot of other.

Y

Stuff going on as well and a lot of it falls under an idea of organization change. You know, as.

Y

We looked at things we started saying we have an opportunity here, change this to make this better.

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To find a different path to recognize that what once worked, isn't going to work for us any anymore.

Y

None of that is easy. There's there's a lot that goes into trying to make that and yeah.

Y

Organizations don't change easily everybody's, not going to jump up and say: okay, give us the list and.

Y

We'll go make this happen, you know it, it takes pooling, it takes pushing, it takes getting people.

Y

To to get on board with what you're trying to do, I believe, and I think others believe that now that.

Y

We've identified some of these opportunities. We can't simply turn our head away and say: okay, well,.

Y

We saw that, but we're not going to look at anymore. I believe we have to act on these things.

Y

And again, I believe- and I believe others are with me on this- that organization change is.

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Not just going to happen, it has to be led and the reality of roberta's job is her day.

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Is mostly taken up with just dealing with the day and if we need, if we want to make this happen,.

Y

There needs to be some more help now exactly how this will be structured. What roberta will do what.

Y

Roberto will give to the deputy, that's all still ahead of us to figure out. The first step, though, is.

Y

Making the position available, I said some months ago, we talked about this. uh I believe you you all.

Y

Were agreeing conceptually that we needed to do this and I made a mistake, you know we went through.

Y

A budget process I should have had this built into the budget for you to specifically approve at that.

Y

Time and- and I don't know why now, but it didn't happen uh so I'm here now saying I believe it was.

Y

Our intent, I believe, it's necessary. I want to see this happen now and invite to get your approval to.

Y

Go ahead and create this position, so we can get roberto on the path to figuring out. How are we.

Y

Going to make this happen, I agree that you should have had this done last budget season, so you are.

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Coming to us out of cycle and which does concern me, um but with that said, once you make the sale.

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You should stop selling okay and the sale was made a long time ago as we started gathering.

A

The information and understanding the need to do exactly what you're doing, um as you know, I love.

A

Analogies largest non-profit you know in the county, is county government, we're alike into a.

A

Aircraft carrier an aircraft carrier doesn't move on the dime like this, because if it does.

A

It'll break and everybody will fall off the other side. A speedboat can do that. You got to continue.

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To move it and to have that consistent movement, I do agree that we need the chief administrator to.

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Have someone um at you know her side to continue to create that change? That's coming our way and.

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um So I'm all in favor of this- and uh I know there may be discussion on this, but I'm going.

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To move that the board of commissioners approved the position of deputy county administrator, I will.

D

Secondly, I also want to state that ted you juggled a lot to pull this off. So it's understandable.

D

If this slipped through, I also want to state that I know the administrator has tremendous.

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Organizational skills- and I know she comes in every day having everything mapped out but stuff.

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Comes at you fast, you get the calls you get the email and all the things you try to coordinate.

D

And organize ahead of time start following through like little things like this. It's this.

D

Human nature, it happens, and this is going to be a tremendous addition to our administration. I have.

D

Been a very, very strong advocate of this, and I'm so honored that this being is being put through.

D

Before we leave office- and this is, this- is going to be tremendous help to you- where does siegel.

G

Fall into this on their recommendations. Well, this was in their recommendations, but I really don't.

Y

Want to make that the focus um you know we, we use them to help us work through some things, but.

Y

We're now moving on with what with what we need to do to make these changes. Well, I I just you know.

G

I'm not opposed to it. I just wanted to know where you know we paid for the study and how this came.

G

Together from their view- and this was one of their initial findings- was strength in I.t- strengthen.

A

The administrator and strengthen hr were three of the briefly remember reminder you know, but we.

A

Still have a ways to go with the the siegel study, um you know outcomes and, and that's fine, but.

A

That was one of their initial. You know immediate findings that I recall this is nothing new.

F

So yeah we've been talking about this now for five six years. I guess and it never really.

F

Got a whole lot of legs and it was hinted at and then just sort of I guess, lost in the challenge.

F

About you know all those budget things that we discussed, because we weren't sure where it was.

F

Coming from or what we were going to do, but um it's interesting how things change, and I.

F

How mindsets change I'll just leave it at that, because since some comments made, it.

F

I'm sitting over here going what, anyway, I think this is incredibly long overdue and.

F

It it doesn't matter who's in the position. Let's remove the person from the position.

F

uh Whoever is in that county administrator position, uh no doubt needs assistance.

F

Other than an administrative assistant in order to run this size government period.

F

All the hugging and the love that everybody wants to show it doesn't matter it's about.

F

The operation of this government and how it's most efficient moving forward, so I'm removing the names.

F

uh I think it's important to have that structure. I just hope christy that it's structured correctly.

F

And I hope that it's paid correct compensated correctly, because that's very important too.

F

There's been talking about that for eight years since I've been here too about the you know what.

F

What the levels of compensation are for those in upper management and we have repaired that.

F

To a certain extent, I don't know that our repairs are complete, yet we're close but needs a little.

F

Bit more, I think so. uh For me, it comes down to a no-brainer here. This size needs assistance in.

F

Order for that to to to to to work correctly and how it's happened is is wonderful. I wish.

F

It would have happened when it would again it was brought up about six years ago. I remember.

F

It very well and dick you alluded to that dennis you probably remember too. We talked about this.

F

um And now all of a sudden it you know here we are so yeah long overdue, uh let's roll! I.

A

I will share, and I do appreciate his one coming. You didn't make ted that I do disagree with is.

A

um Not knowing the requirement yet, but getting the position in place, requirements got to come before.

A

The position- and I think that can be established in you know then putting the position. Oh yeah.

C

Because you you made that comment, I was like no, we, we don't put somebody in place and then figure.

A

Out what they're going to do? That was not I'm not just I I got you, I I don't think that's what you.

A

Meant to say, but that's the way I heard it, and I just want to be clear that.

A

We're putting a requirement establishing the requirement and then putting a position correct.

Y

Right, I was just saying I'm not in a position at this moment to tell you but yes clearly, we.

Y

Will have to make those decisions? Okay, before we try and decide who's the right person to hire for.

Y

It correct okay, I just again when I hear things I'm like get it positioned and figure out the.

A

Requirements because you're that's opposite! Okay, now, let's back to that clarity thing, it does but.

A

I'm telling you I'm telling you it's important when I, when I'm hearing things like that, and I.

A

Know the thousands are listening right, at least at least that they're going to say what we're.

A

Putting we're making government fat and they don't really have another job. That's not true.

A

We are, you know, very lean by the positions that we let go many years ago. You know and we need to.

A

Build ourselves in a place where we can serve our community the best way we can and in doing.

A

That this position is critical, so okay yeah, but that that's an important decision and we back to.

F

One last thing three of us have been through the hiring process of county administrator.

F

And to say it, ain't easy is an understatement, because it wasn't, it was a. It was an interesting.

F

Process that that and I'm going to use the word, it got a little wonky there for a while.

F

um So that's why I made the comment about: let's make sure we've got the right duties assigned the.

F

Right compensation assigned to those duties- uh and I say that, based on the experience that the.

F

Three of us had when we went through this before that was interesting. Yeah wonky, okay, aim for their.

A

Discussion seen here, none all in favor. Okay, thank you. You said you have any more items. You want.

A

To talk about, he doesn't want to talk about the steelers by the way miss bixler, your presentation.

G

The other day from your staff was great. Oh good, oh good! Thank you. You have made impact already.

G

It's it's very impressive and I did my homework as a signs good yeah, I got to finish. I got to.

F

Finish mine, so yeah, just letting you know I got it, I got it. Okay, I'm just throwing it out there.

I

Merits will be handed out. Okay, let's look at uh closed meetings. I don't even have an office and.

F

I read my email from never seen that smells like november 3rd closed meeting minutes.

A

Dealing with what I'm, oh, my glasses on, they were land acquisitions and.

A

Acquisition, thank you so much, oh got it motion to approve those minutes. Second,.

A

Okay got a motion. I got a second. Is there any discussion on this? All in favor, aye.

A

A

uh One one you come on up, I assume there's no public comment just to me just to make sure do.

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You want to ask her. I just want to come up first, chris, are there anybody on the phone.

U

No one's on the line: okay, miss wyndham! Are you uh satisfied? Okay, now that miss windleman's satisfied.

A

uh Let's start with november 14th at 3 p.m. Commissioner frazier will be attending the.

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Transit advisory council on tuesday there'll be a legislative, a lot. A legislative breakfast.

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Which will be held at exploration commons and commissioner boucher and I will be attending at.

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8 30 there's a local management board virtual meeting with commissioner frazier attending.

A

At 9 a.m, commissioner, lance will be attending the planning commission. uh We're downstairs, there's a.

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There's another event: I'm going to be going over to ccysb right after.

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The breakfast, if you can ask vivian, to put that on cassette it has to do with. um I think their.

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Accreditation over there that they asked for me to attend um at 2 pm the veterans advisory meeting.

A

Commissioner weaver and I are attending, is there I didn't know there was one okay.

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uh Wednesday mission on aging disabilities I'll be attending it'll, be virtual.

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The carroll community college board of trustees meeting over in the great hall.

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Over in westminster to college, commissioner wentz will be attending at 5 pm and then, after.

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That, when he has a full belly, we'll be attending the esac, the emergency services advisory council.

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At 7 pm on thursday, we have open session talk about the fy 22 audit and annual comprehensive.

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Financial report, looking forward to that from ms hobbs exercise an option to purchase the.

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Christopher sterner property through rural legacy program, purchase of portable and mobile radios.

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Plus accessories um so very few items right now, but that's okay, because I'm going to be.

A

Looking forward to attending the fort meade education, resiliency center ribbon cutting.

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Just share this has been a vision of mine for 11 years coming to fruition. After a five.

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Million dollar project, so it's pretty exciting to take care of our military and veteran community.

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um And commissioner boucher is going to be walking at bennett surf park, a walk in the.

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Park then there's a maryland uh manufacturing celebration over at martin's west. uh That.

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Evening I'll be attending mike galliazzo is retiring after three or four decades.

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Of selfless service to our state in manual in the manufacturing community, uh just a great guy friday,.

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Nothing scheduled on saturday at 11 a.m. Commissioner weaver will be uh attending and.

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Providing, I think, a proclamation for a road signed dedication to tech sergeant joseph a farrenholt.

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Over at the american legion and then 5 pm the sober truth and chrysalis transitional living.

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Black light spectacular family dinner over in uh tony town, commissioner fraser and boucher.

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Will be attending take my name off of that commission professor will not be attending.

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um But commissioner frazier does have the podcast for sunday november 20th.

D

If I may add on the 17th at the walk in the park, I just want to let people know that that is also.

D

Going to be a food drive for carroll county food sunday, so anyone wants to attend. Please bring some.

D

Non-Perishable food items- that's my understanding, there'll be some pilgrims and a turkey there.

A

The 21st there's the governor's emergency management advisory council gmac meeting.

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That, commissioner wentz will be attending on tuesday. We will be going into open session.

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um An update on the health of the county with ms sue doyle, our.

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County health officer um in a discussion excuse me of the employment campus solar text, amendment.

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uh Department of planning will be leading that.

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After that, we will have a discussion of the industrial one and c3 text. Amendment.

A

And then a request to go to public hearing for the historic preservation committee. I can't imagine.

I

Correct, huh I would be surprised that that's correct, you know it. Has you just yeah this board.

I

Just sent it to the planning commission today, so I can't remember: the planning commission is going.

I

To do their work, I don't know if it's on. Oh, it is on the agenda for uh it's on the agenda for next.

A

Week, maybe they'll just go yep we're good. Yes, come back up exactly, maybe which I might push.

F

A little bit because I would like to see that yeah, you know we're not going to be part of the.

A

I don't think, there's anything confrontational on it, so we won't be part of the decision, but.

F

At least we can see the right republic yeah, you mean nothing. I yeah, which is interesting too, as.

A

I have positive thoughts, that's going to make it through so yeah, okay um and then the.

A

Scott holnicker retirement at 2pm over at the farm museum commissioner, lance and weaver will.

A

Be attending put my name also on that and I'll try and add mine as well wednesday. We have nothing my.

E

Name for that I'll see, if I can make it yeah five commissioners will work hard to get over there and.

A

Say farewell to to scott the office will be closed for thanksgiving observance of thanksgiving on.

A

Thursday, along with friday, um commissioner frazier on friday morning, will be attending.

A

The carroll festival of trees, if he wakes up in time after thanksgiving on thursday, is that 8 a.m.

D

People being a food coma, remember that, but okay saturday, we have nothing scheduled.

A

Commissioner boucher has the podcast on november 27th. Anyway, it's black friday.

F

Yeah you'll be happy. People do that anymore. Do they get up at four o'clock in the morning.

A

Okay, um mr burke, do you have anything you want to talk about? I do not, are you sure, no jokes.

N

Okay, I let the bathroom agenda item I let that one slide, no joke so you're slipping.

A

Okay, uh miss wyndham. Do you have anything? I don't know if you said it in the beginning.

H

Because I was a couple minutes late, you weren't listening to me anyway, go ahead! No, I. Why bother.

H

um The wow, the county offices, will be closed. Tomorrow did people anybody say that oh.

I

A reminder: the county offices will be closed tomorrow for veterans day and wishing everyone.

A

A very happy veterans day and with those thank me for wearing the uniform. I thank.

A

Them back for giving me a reason: we live in a pretty cool place, um anything for open admin.

A

I need a motion to adjourn so moved. Second, I got a motion guy. Second, all in favor aye now.