Carroll County, MD Board of County Commissioners Open Sessions, 31 Aug 2023

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Okay good morning, I'm uh commissioner ed rothstein. It is the last day of august.

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Unless august has 32 days- but I don't think so this year, so it is, cannot believe we are going.

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Into september uh and public safety message is that kids are on the buses starting next.

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Week in carroll county, so let's uh keep them safe, obey the laws and tell our children to.

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Do their base best in keeping them safe as well um more to follow on that, as we always.

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Do why don't we stand for uh pledge of allegiance and a moment of silence.

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One nation, under god, indivisible with liberty and justice justice at all. Thank you.

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Okay, we have a a couple of uh proclamations that we're going to get to in just a couple minutes.

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But uh as we always do, why don't we go around the the dice and see what's on our minds, I'd like to.

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One of these times go around the room, but there's entirely too many to do that right.

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Now and see what's on their minds plus uh I don't know if I can trust the colonel heart back. There.

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And just get to know what's on his, but um so mr vigliotti, what do you have to say? I thank.

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You, commissioner rossi, and I will be as brief as I can this morning- I'll only touch on one thing.

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And that was the the uh opportunity to tour the brand new east middle school here in westminster.

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Yesterday, with some of my fellow commissioners, it is a beautiful school and I think the students.

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Who attend that school in this coming year, going to be well served by having a school that is in.

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The heart of their community and to see the thought and consideration that was put into.

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The school's construction and the features- and I think all that certainly is a testament to the the.

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um uh The the I guess you would call it the the love that the members of the board of education.

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Have or what they do with the superintendent members of the school system themselves have.

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For what they do, but I think it's also a testament as well to the working partnership that we have.

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As the board of commissioners with the board of education, as well as uh with our delegates.

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And our senators, I mean, I think it certainly goes to the heart of the matter, with all the decisions.

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That we, as a board of commissioners, reach that we have a good working relationships with our.

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Partner agencies, and with each other for that matter, you know we may not necessarily agree.

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All the time on everything, but the fact that we're able to do so in a civil and cogent way, I think, is.

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Demonstrative demonstrative of the seriousness with which we all take the work that we do.

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um You know again, I think it's it's incredibly important like this morning, we're going to be.

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Having a a public hearing about a proposed uh ordinance on uh nuisance and we're also.

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Going to be having a proclamation about overdose awareness and uh the fact that we are, uh you know.

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Bringing these things up and the things that we're engaging in these things again is a testament to.

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The seriousness with which we take the jobs that we have been trusted by the people of this county.

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um And I think it also certainly is important to have those strong relationships with our.

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Partners in throughout the community, because again it's when everybody is able to to advance.

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Forward in a way that is sound for the citizens, everybody ends up benefiting, and, uh commissioner.

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That's it from me this morning. Thank you, okay, thank you, commissioner keller. Thank you and.

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And I'll be quick, I'm I'm normally quicker than than who I'm behind, because I use smaller words.

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um But um interesting um we mentioned already it's a holiday weekend coming up and I wish everybody a.

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Great holiday weekend be safe in your travels and school is starting next week. Some other.

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Counties have I'm still very happy that carroll county has kept the start date where they are.

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We were blessed this year august. Wasn't that hot at the end, but I know.

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Some others had some bus issues and some other issues that knock on wood. I hope.

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We don't next week, but it's hard it's very hard and I appreciate what they do.

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um I'll skip down to east middle, I was scheduled to go on that tour. I ended up having a conflict.

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That uh that made it that I couldn't- and I really wish I could have- I did hear that.

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I won't mention any names, but I know he listens to all these meetings. One of our delegates came into.

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The school building wearing a hat which violates the rules in the schools, and I think he was told.

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To remove it, I wish I could have been there most importantly about east middle. It's a great.

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Facility we're going to it's going to be tough, the next couple months, because you had to demo a.

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Building it was a complicated project and parkings. I think the counties worked with the school system.

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On helping them solve some bus, loop problems and uh and we're, let we're letting them trespass on.

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Our property to make things work, but one of the points I wanted to make about east middle.

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It's so hard to control the money we spend. That project came in. uh I forget 10, 12 million over.

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Budget and if it hadn't been for the construction manager and the board that was in place at that.

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Time doing some serious value engineering that project may not have happened, and it's like when.

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You build something at home yourself. Unfortunately, I will probably always see the things we cut.

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That we thought made that building a little better, but when steel went up when other stuff went up, we.

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Had no choice, we had to value engineering we had to cut just like. We have to do up.

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Here sometimes- and it hurts it hard it's hard, but for those that didn't see what we cut and.

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Only see, what's there, it's a beautiful building, it's a great project and I'm glad it worked out.

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um Again, the school system had some cheaper option options than demo and rebuild east.

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Meadow in its location, I'm also so glad that they chose to do that option. It's walkable.

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It's it helps the boys and girls club there's so many things, good about that location and.

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And- and I just think it's great, but I did want to make the point. A serious amount of money had to.

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Be cut or that project probably wouldn't have happened just because of timing and materials.

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And and all of that and then I want to compliment them on getting it done, the construction manager.

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With delivery issues and re ordering stuff sooner than they would have, it was complicated.

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But I think it's beautiful and I wish I could have been there with you guys, but.

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um I'll live without seeing you yesterday, um it's interesting school's starting, but there's still.

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Some graduation parties and it's so nice to see those kids moving on to their next step. Whether.

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It's military, whether it's work, whether it's college, it's neat to see that and it's and it's.

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Interesting that that the graduation parties are still going on, but it's so great to see the people.

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um A lot of people have been discussing. The state has announced that september 14th are doing a.

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Meeting to explain the project at 91 and 140. and uh as as all projects there's some people that.

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Can't wait to see it happen, there's some people that wish it would never happen um all I want.

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To say today is: please attend that meeting and like a lot of projects, I think some of the people.

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Were like? Oh my gosh, I had no idea this was even going on. Well, I think the county, the state and the.

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Citizens have been discussing this, probably for 25 or 30 years this this particular intersection.

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And what to do about it? I am concerned that that it makes things safer and it makes things.

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um It makes things safer without slowing things down, for that that intersection gets a lot of.

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Traffic and- and I I hope it's smooth and we'll see what happens at the state meeting, I'm not sure the.

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Jobs even funded yet, but I think I think they're saying it'll be completed by 2025. So maybe we'll.

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Hear something on the 14th that that I'm not aware of- and uh some people have reached out to me prior.

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To the meeting and that's great and I'm willing to share whatever I know about it, but I'm gonna.

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I'm gonna learn more that night. Hopefully, we've been doing some uh um looking at the budget to try.

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To prep ourselves for the the upcoming budget and it's a lot of information, it's it's hard.

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Lastly, um the reason I didn't make it to east meadow: I was at a board of zoning appeals meeting.

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That was scheduled to be about two hours and took about five, and uh I just want to mention it. So I.

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Can compliment? We have a lot of citizens who serve on committees and boards and uh I'm sure some of.

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Them were less happy than I was about being there until five o'clock, and uh I think the room was.

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Being used within an hour of then, but I just want to compliment the people, we get that sign up to be.

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On these boards and these committees and the work they do and and it's interesting- we talked about.

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It and some of you that have been active in any kind of competitive type things or or like this.

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They have a hard decision to make and when you leave the room, 50 percent of the people.

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Are smiling and fifty percent of the people are very depressed and because a decision can favor.

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Everybody and they have some tough decisions, and I just appreciate what they do on our website. I.

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Think it tells you how you can say you want to be on one of the committees and please do.

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So we always need people, and I just wanted to compliment them all, and I won't say whether I.

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Left the room smiling or crying, but they did a good job. Thank you. I appreciate I think uh east.

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Middle uh president, uh marsha marsha herbert, even though I said this about all of everything I said.

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I do love carole king. I do love carroll county now. Go ahead, go ahead, you're saying that.

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Marsha herbert said she attended east middle. I think it was like 1946 or somewhere around there.

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But I I don't know, actually I got distracted by, I got distracted by mr stewart's blazer and.

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We'll see that in a little bit, but I thought I looked like a used car salesman today, I don't.

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Yeah so I did student teach at east meadow and that was many years ago, so we will see.

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The used car salesman jacket in just a little bit as his face is turning as red as some of.

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The checkers on his jacket, but um I'm not sure gordon, what's in your mind, thank you.

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um Just to echo a couple of the points of my colleagues, I'm not going to get into those.

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Topics but I will say with school starting, please just be aware. uh Obviously, there'll be buses and.

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Kids out on the roads, but not just for school, starting just throughout the year as a whole,.

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um This past week, last thursday, I was at the historical society there in the process of doing.

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A strategic plan they had invited myself and a number of other individuals from the community and.

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They're putting together some uh promotional in materials and video, so I was happy to be a part of.

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That, as everybody has mentioned yesterday myself, commissioner vigliotti and commissioner rothstein.

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Were at east middle, it's an impressive building. Obviously, there's still a lot to be completed.

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They've got to finish what they're doing on the other side, not including the building, and there.

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Are a few little things with the building that was mentioned yesterday? It was nice as.

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Somebody that went to east middle and not in 1946 it was nice to uh to see the usage of some of the.

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Historic architecture and other pieces for anybody, that's curious about a variety of other items. I.

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Did inquire about the sun dial, which I know a lot of people haven't, had a curiosity about that? Will.

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Be put, I believe, in the courtyard, in the near future, so they're still working some things.

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Out and there's still some things to accomplish there finalizing this this new school, but I do.

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Think it's a great opportunity to mix history with current current day technology and opportunity be.

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It the the band room, which was quite impressive or the gym or any of the other areas within the.

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Building, it's definitely something we can be proud of that we're going to not only improve.

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And have opportunity for kids today but for years to come and last, but certainly not least,.

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And I know some folks are aware of it and maybe not all the carroll county youth service bureau.

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Has been closed for a number of weeks, they will be reopening on september 5th. The offices will.

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Finally be reopened, I know it's been a challenge for them and I know it's been. You know a factor.

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For everybody in the community- and I know they've worked around that to the best of their abilities.

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But uh very happy to see that they're reopened for not only them but all that they serve and that's.

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All I have this morning. Thank you thanks. That's a that's important message because they do so much.

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For our community commissioner, karen good morning, carroll county, uh it's been mentioned a few times.

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It's the unofficial end of the summer coming up and in school, we'll start again here shortly.

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And I want to remind everybody out there that you will start to see school buses on tuesday morning.

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And to please heed those school buses, uh it's just it's anecdotal, but it seems to me there's a lot.

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Worse drivers out there than there were before, and I know the police- you can't be everywhere.

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But uh for god's sake, please be aware of the fact that you're gonna have kids all.

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Over carroll county uh on bus stops crossing streets. So please please, beware uh and uh again.

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I want to thank the county staff and the county folks that work for the government for a great.

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Summer, it was a busy summer with the recent storm, but it seemed like with a relatively new board.

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We didn't really take a break this summer. We, in fact, if anything, we're asking more questions and.

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And looking for more answers so for that I really appreciate- and I want to tell everybody in the.

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County government- I hope you enjoy your three-day weekend and thank you very much I'll, be brief.

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But uh you know we're we're fortunate to live in carroll county if you're, a carroll county resident.

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We're fortunate to live here and- and we take for granted freedoms that believe it or not. Some.

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People in other counties don't have. If you want to cut down a tree in carroll county, you can cut down.

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Your tree, if you want to use a gas powered, mower or blower, you can use it. uh If your kid wants.

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To have a lemonade stand on the corner of the health department and the police aren't going to.

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Show up those things happen in other counties, not these police, but those things do happen in other.

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Counties so we're we're fortunate to be where we are and and we and we do have some inherent.

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Freedoms in carroll county that that others don't have, and that certainly doesn't end when it comes.

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To parenting and when it comes to parental rights, so I want to thank the carroll county observer and.

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Inform carroll county again for pointing out that leading up to the school year starting this year,.

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If you're not paying, if people aren't paying attention um the carroll county, public schools.

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Has recently released a new form to parent that offers the choice of whether they wish to enroll.

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Their children and gender identity, education, gender identity, education is a new state mandated.

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Curriculum that goes into effect for all middle and high school students for the upcoming academic.

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Year so these forms parents will be presented with three options and the the plan I understand is for.

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All these forms to be emailed to you, the parents but you'll, be presented with three options: the.

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First choice allows parents to select carroll county board of education, approved curriculum.

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Which eliminates gender identity education, but it does cover traditional health, sex and family life.

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Education topics, additional options are provided that allow parents to either enroll their children.

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In general, identity curriculum or opt out, but parents will have until october 1st to make.

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Their choice so make sure you're paying attention to that. I know early in the school year there's a.

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Lot of emails that start flowing and having three kids in the carroll county public school I mean.

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There's so many emails and so many email accounts and passwords and usernames it's impossible to.

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Follow but if you're, a parent or a grandparent or an uncle or aunt, keep an eye out for this email.

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Because you're gonna you're gonna wanna fill it out. However, you choose and get it back to the.

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Carroll county public school system on october 1st: this is a freedom that you have as carroll.

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County parents, other parents in other counties in maryland, do not have this freedom period so take.

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Advantage of it and exercise it. Thank you, and do you mind if I mention one thing on that.

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By state law, if you do not do it, you're in the states.

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Program that has the gender identity it's. It is an opt-out. So if, if you're.

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Concerned about that, you need to fill out the paper. If you don't you've defaulted back to.

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What the state thinks we ought to do. Thank you. I neglected to mention that. Thank you.

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Yeah yeah no, but so make the decision for yourselves. Don't let someone else make it.

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Okay, first, um you know keeping in our thoughts and prayers those that have gone through the.

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Horrific hurricane down in florida um it hit him like a sledgehammer with.

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30 counties under state emergency, 30, plus counties, so you know it's.

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It's always interesting to me how news agencies can be so polarized until something like this.

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Happens then they kind of come together for a day or two and talk about that incident. So whether.

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It's cnn or fox or any of the local stations they all come together and say, look at the the.

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Evil of the environment with the hurricane or the shootings down in jacksonville or the shooting in.

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University of north carolina, you know that killed a professor, you know randomly, um you know, there's.

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Just so much challenges that we have, and these are things that you know going to a grocery.

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Store, you would think is a safe place to go or going into a university uh is a safe place.

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You know, then, the the hurricane itself just was really of challenge uh to the entire.

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Community uh and I know governor desantis addressed, it went back down to florida.

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um As a leader saying, hey here are things that we are trying to do as far as the states of the.

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Emergency to care for those folks, but just keep them in mind as they're, going through.

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Picking themselves up, along with the folks in maui, I mean that happens, feels like forever.

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Ago, it's going to be a long long time before they're all done and ready to pick themselves up.

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um The uh other thing I just want to share is, um and chris I think you have a picture. I attended.

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Last week the four meat alliance um uh consortium and or covenant signing and I had the opportunity.

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To sign, on behalf of my colleagues in carroll county, to commit ourselves to uh fort meade.

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Community, which is a 60 plus thousand workforce that lives and or works and plays on for me, but.

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Eight percent of them come out of carroll county 25 percent are howard and 44 out of anne arundel.

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So we all stood there as government leaders, business leaders, um community leaders in the state.

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To commit ourselves uh in supporting our military community, um I happen to be, uh and I'm I'm blessed.

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That I happen to be starting this covenant signing when I was in command and it's kind of cool to.

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Have a legacy that keeps going like this, but it's a it's a strong commitment that um that we make.

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And it's not just a signature on parchment, but it's you know something that should last so I.

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Always say you see somebody in red, blue or green. The best things you could just say is thank you.

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For the work they do selflessly and just to finish that thought at school we all have mentioned.

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Are around the corner? You see administration, teachers, custodians nurses, all those that make.

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The schools, as fabulous as they are in carroll county, just say thank you. It goes so so far.

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You're blessed, we are so blessed um what I'd like to do is I have a couple of proclamations.

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I want to flip the order and commissioner gordon one you uh talk about the preparedness month. Sure.

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And then we'll go into the other one, so we have a proclamation carroll county preparedness month.

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September 2023, whereas emergency preparedness is the shared responsibility of the entire nation.

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Every jurisdiction, every community, every business, every family and every individual and having a.

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Role in planning and preparing for emergencies and disasters of all kinds and carroll county.

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Preparedness month, in coordination with national preparedness month provides an opportunity to.

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Highlight the important role of individuals as as they prepare for emergencies in their homes,.

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Businesses, schools and communities this nationwide observance encourages all americans to learn more.

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About ways to prepare for all types of emergencies and the u.s department of homeland security and.

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Carroll county department of public safety urge all carroll county residents and business owners.

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To take time during september of 2023 to create an emergency supply kit to make a family or business.

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Emergency plan to remain informed about different threats in the appropriate response to each and.

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To get involved in preparing their community for emergencies and the board of carroll county.

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Commissioners recognizes the importance of preparing for potential emergencies and is.

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Proud to observe september 2020 2023 with the appropriate preparedness activities. Now, therefore,.

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We, the board of carroll county commissioners, do hereby proclaim september 2023 as preparedness.

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Month in carroll county and call upon the people of our county to join in supporting.

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This observance adopted the 31st day of august 2023, the board of carroll county commissioners.

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Okay, valerie, if you can uh share some of your thoughts as uh both the leader and team member.

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Of emergency services. Thank you, commissioner, and thank you, commissioners for the the recognition.

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Of the national preparedness month and for the proclamation of carroll county preparedness month.

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National preparedness month as a celebration nationally started out in 2004, and it is.

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Observed every september they put it in september to honor september 11th and the the incidents that.

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Occurred in 2001, but the whole idea about it is to raise awareness about the importance of being.

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Prepared for disasters and other emergencies- and you know like has been mentioned- I think a.

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Couple times already, they can happen anytime. We saw that with the incident that we had in early.

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August, yes, we were expecting some severe storms, possibly, but we definitely were not expecting.

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The level of severe storm damage that we ended up experiencing this year's campaign has a theme as.

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Every year has a theme, and this year's theme is take control in one two. Three, that's the.

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Actual title of it, but the campaign nationally is focused on preparing older adults for disasters.

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um So we know that older adults can face greater risks when it comes to the all sorts of different.

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Types of extreme weather events and emergencies that we've been facing lately, and especially they.

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Live alone, possibly they might be on low income, they might have a disability, they might live in.

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A rural area we definitely have folks that are elderly that live in rural areas in our county.

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So, throughout the month of september, you know we're trying to encourage individuals and families.

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Of all types, but especially the the elderly population, to create an emergency supplies kit, if.

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They don't already have one or update the one that they already have. You know water shelf, stable food.

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Items for a specific populations, so if you take medication on a day-to-day basis, you know think.

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About that, for your emergency supplies, kid, if you have electric electricity, dependent equipment.

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Especially medical equipment think about a backup plan for that um uh thing. Items for your pets.

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Items for for young children, all of those things that you know your family uses on a day-to-day.

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Basis kind of put yourself in the role of what would happen if you didn't have access to them.

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Very quickly to be prepared, um the hazards that we might have you know might have affect us. You.

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Know uh severe storms we've seen them um flooding high winds, winter storms. Unfortunately, I won't use.

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The s-word, because my friends in dpw will not be happy with me, um but we have significant effects.

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From those and we can have significant effects from tropical weather atlantic hurricane season,.

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Isn't over yet so, making preparations when threats are not imminent makes a huge difference when they.

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Do occur: even a small amount of preparation can go a long way when you're responding to an emergency.

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Fantastic um yeah, I mean it was just a very short time ago, with those windstorms and what.

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As commissioner kyler says, we're the shiny penny of the state because it was highlighted multiple.

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Times during mako the importance of how to act react and be proactive when storms like.

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That hit and carroll county really stood out in its partnership with the sheriff state's.

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Police westminster, police and all the other jurisdictions with dpwm.sha all working together.

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um You know you guys, you told me you had 400 and how many calls in an hour.

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I don't remember the exact number, but it was over 400. over 400 and typically you get around 15.

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Depending depending on the day, but I mean it's a significant difference, it was a significant jump.

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To think you know the unsung heroes, those that aren't out there in the front are you to initiate.

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The action uh and your team- and that is, is huge and um is also was shared with the leadership.

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Across the jurisdictions and to the state the importance of that another issue, I just want to.

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Bring up and then I'll open it up is sometimes we don't look at the secondary tertiary effects of.

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Storms like that, the hospital went on emergency generators for six hours while they went on.

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Emergency generators for six hours, the humidity in the hospitals caused unsanitary situations.

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Which created the tools that they would use in surgeries to now be unsanitized, so.

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Therefore, they could not do surgery for that amount of time, then sanitize that equipment.

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It was even thought of you know: hey, they got power, emergency power, they're moving forward.

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But those were some of the effects that we learned um afterwards and say: okay, what do we do in that.

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Case now, maybe not we you and I or us, but what does the hospital do? You know in cases like that.

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um Because that was a unseen um effect of those storms that I learned afterwards so and it's.

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Incumbent on all of the agencies on us on all of the partner agencies, you know, and we all do it.

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We do an after-action review of every response so that we can learn from situations like that. That.

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Pop up that are reasonably unexpected. You think about the you know you as a part of your plan. You.

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Think about cascading effects, but a lot of the time there are ones that pop up that just you.

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Haven't imagined yet so the after action process allows us to come up with a plan for those things.

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That we can put into place next time- and hopefully there never isn't next time, but we'll be a little.

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Bit more prepared and, like I said earlier about the men and women in red, blue and green, you know.

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It definitely goes to you just a simple thank you goes a long ways. The challenge is finding those to.

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Say, thank you except going into the offices, but uh you know please pass that regard on to all of your.

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Team absolutely will do they were phenomenal, but any thoughts, comments I'll uh I'll, certainly echo.

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Those sentiments as well and echo commissioner rosseen's comments, uh something I guess I'd like.

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To to ask her or or talk about very briefly a couple years ago, I read this really fascinating.

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Book and it was called american dunkirk and it was about the waterborne evacuation of lower.

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Manhattan on september 11th and so reading the book I mean it's, the largest peacetime evacuation.

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Anywhere in in world history, um in a non-war zone I should say, and and so what what the, uh what the.

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Analysts did when they went through this book. Is they explained that at the beginning of the the.

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Day when they were starting to get people off of manhattan, they tried to to they commandeered.

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You know those giant water, fairies, larger boats to try to evacuate people from from manhattan.

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But as the day wore on they weren't doing it, they weren't getting fast enough. They weren't able to.

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Evacuate people fast enough, and so as the course of the day wore on uh people started, volunteering.

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Their small boats, just like happened at dunkirk in 1940 uh during the second world war and.

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um What happened is uh at the beginning of the day they tried to have some kind of command structure.

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Right, well, okay! Well, you guys are over here on new york. Now you guys are over in new jersey.

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And you'll switch back and forth but as the day wore on that that command structure broke.

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Down but among the volunteers themselves, they started cooperating and coordinating with each.

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Other and they were, I think, the the estimate is like a couple. This is 350 to 400 000 people that.

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That volunteers are able to help evacuate from manhattan, on 911 and in the days after and so.

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uh The the analysts in this book talk about that one of the the surest ways of being prepared in.

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The 21st century is to be able to accommodate volunteers. I know that looking over the list of.

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Road closures that we had during that storm over 120 of them. At one point I forget the name of the.

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Road, but there was one road that was opened up by volunteers, and so I'm wondering if we already do.

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And, if not, how we might be able to incorporate some way, some shape or form of of accommodating.

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Volunteers to assist with efforts when a crisis does happen, commissioner kyler with this chainsaw.

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Actually, it was ronda with the change. That's what I'm saying it wasn't my chainsaw okay.

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Kenny was management, two other guys jane sells, but I I just dragged I was just. I was a laborer.

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You always need a laborer yep, so, commissioner, we do work with both the maryland voluntary.

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Organizations active and disaster organization maryland voad. We also have a carroll county co-ed.

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So county organizations active in disaster and all of the agencies or the majority of them that.

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Are involved in both of those groups are voluntary agencies. We actually have. I believe it's next week.

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And I'll welcome back to jacob jacob that correct us in next week we have a tabletop exercise.

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Scheduled with our lead for volunteer management, our emergency operations uh plan, which is the.

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Department of recreation and parks and the county, co-ed and possibly a representative from maryland.

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Voab to talk about exactly that about how we can best utilize voluntary agencies and and volunteers.

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In general, when we have a large disaster, because in general there is no way that county government.

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State government federal government personnel can accomplish all of the activity that needs to occur.

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After a disaster to truly bring a community a bit to recovery through recovery, we do rely on those.

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Voluntary agencies, so yes, we do work with them. There is a structure in place and we're working.

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To further strengthen that structure now awesome, so I mean again I'm just in I'll use, commissioner.

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Kyler as an example here, if he shows up like if he is a chainsaw and he says hey, I can open up a road.

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Who does he, who does he reach out to to? Let you know that that hey I've got this road taken care.

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Of or I have some buddies and we can go, do x or do y. So in a perfect world we would like to know.

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About those capabilities before a disaster happens so that we can, you know, make sure that everybody's.

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In this, basically within a system, we understand the capabilities of each individual in each.

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Organization, but in general, if we have something very large like that, we will set up a capability.

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Where people can reach out to us reach out to the department of recreation and parks and say.

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There's a volunteer capability and we can help link up the need with the capability. Now is that.

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Accessible now for people to to go, look at or to put information and say hey, I can you know for the.

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Sake of argument, I have a spare generator that I can lend to the hospital. God forbid, that kind of.

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Situation arises: no, not right. Now, that's not that we something that gets stuck on the fly. So is it.

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So what about like, maybe instituting some kind of like a volunteer bank or something where, if.

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You are in this county and you have the capacity to help out given you know, exigent circumstances.

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You can a lot of the time that capability exists within the voluntary organizations.

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And that's where we have a tendency to to direct people, because they're they're, the.

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Voluntary organizations already have a lot of the a lot of what you're talking about those.

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Capabilities with volunteer management set up, so it's a partnership amongst all of the agencies.

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So awesome: well, please do. Let me know how the uh that meeting goes because I'm you know certainly.

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Fascinated by this and again, you know thank you for all of your work and to everybody who had.

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Any hand whatsoever and getting us through this storm and commissioner, that's it for me. Thank.

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You fantastic any other comments, yes um um and and everybody's kind of covered it all, but the.

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The one point I'd like to make one of the reasons um I'm happy and I love living in carroll, county.

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One of the points I've tried to make when state people congratulate us on how it went.

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um Our people in carroll county all of you, the citizens they work together every day. It's not.

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Like we had to say, oh hi, if I met you before, you know it's everybody was there doing it because.

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They're used to working together and that's giant in the day's world and and I've always said, and I.

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Tried to say that to some of them too, and I said that in my life in construction, when all the.

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Workers do their job, then my jobs were easy when they don't do their job, my job's impossible, and so.

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Again, it's all those people, including the citizens that made that happen, and even- and I know you guys.

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Were a big part of that, but um I don't know if I have the patience to sit in a car for four and a.

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Half hours and not step out and get electrocuted and, and you guys kept that from happening and.

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Those people had enough sense to listen and, uh and and it's always nice to have a little bit of.

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Luck along with it too, so thank you, yeah. We won't turn away any luck. That comes our way. That's right!.

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Oh, absolutely not I I keep using the word blessed. I mean we really were very fortunate to be it. The.

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Folks on 140 out here in my district or in which uh commissioner rothstein and I toured that.

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Night and then the next morning with the governor, lieutenant governor and their staff, um you know to.

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Other issues, whether it be you know, trees falling on homes, other issues. Another would think there.

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Was one injury that ended up luckily not being life-threatening, but but I think the reality is.

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We just all, as commissioner kyler mentioned it's, who we are it's a culture thing here we do and I.

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Think you know communities as a whole. I hope try to look out for each other, but I think you know.

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For us it's it's a component of who we are, and I know we've we've said this to to you and we've had.

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Some conversations I know you and I and I know my colleagues and I have talked to a number of people.

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Be it, you know our staff, be it. I was talking to westminster police department, the city mayor. um I.

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Just think it's incumbent on all of us to remember we're all in this together, whether it be a storm.

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Whether it be any other issue that comes uh before us and you know at those moments, differences.

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Need to go out the window, it's not about those differences, it's who we are collaboratively and.

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Collectively and uh all I can say to everybody- and I mean this sincerely is just thank you.

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Yeah I just I I thought I thought, commissioner, brought up an interesting.

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Point and- and there are a lot of volunteer organizations out there like the red cross and places like that, that you can donate to. But.

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Don't forget that there are volunteers at your local fire station right now as we speak, and if.

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You want to help out a organization, that's going to be there. Probably first don't forget about.

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Your volunteers manning the 14 stations that we have in the county, so I wanted to throw that in.

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There that's a very good point, very good point, commissioner. Okay, while we uh get a picture for.

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Long, oh yeah, that comes out of the magic door.

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I really don't get car salesmen out of that, yet no! No! It's just.

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Cool. Thank you.

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Okay, let's move on to another uh proclamation and identification of what carroll county does so well.

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In times of adversity and challenging, you know issues, and this has to do with.

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2023 overdose awareness day and, commissioner karen, I believe you.

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Have the lead and those that would like wanting to come up to the table.

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Those that you would like come on up to the table, that's you! That's you tim.

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And I think we'll be hearing from a few others as well. So, but please thank you. Thank you all for.

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Being here and thank you for being patient, we're on a little behind you, international overdose,.

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Awareness day is august, 31st international overdose awareness day was initiated in 2001.

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You could imagine that we'd be where we are 22 years later. It hasn't gotten any better.

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But that's why you're here you're working at that international overdose awareness.

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Day was initiated in 2001 to expand awareness honor, those individuals that we have lost to.

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Overdose and acknowledge the grief of loved ones left behind overdose deaths shortened.

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The lives of 53 people in carroll county in 2058 2581 lives in our state last year.

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The 2023 international overdose awareness day theme is recognizing those people who go unseen.

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We see you and acknowledge each person whose life has been a radically altered due to overdose.

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And we see that those we've lost those who are grieving, those involved community providers and.

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Their pursuit of better care, those advocates in the recovery field, who work tirelessly toward a.

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Better tomorrow for people who use drugs, those professional first responders who.

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Are often the difference between a life lost and a life saved, as well as those unintended.

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First responders who've administered knoxville in to give someone a tomorrow.

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We stand firm in our resolve to do our part in preventing overdose death.

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We will work to remove stigma, not only in others, but in ourselves. We will treat people.

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With compassion, not only because it is right, but also because we do not know, there's stories.

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We will work with our partners to ensure that services are available when people are ready.

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For them, therefore, we the board of carroll county commissioners, affirm and acknowledge.

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The harm and hardship caused by drug overdose and do hereby proclaim thursday august 31st.

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2023 as international overdose awareness day, and thank you for being here, thank you. Please.

A

Good morning morning, I um I'll introduce myself first very very briefly, because obviously this day.

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Has absolutely nothing to do with me, but I'm here, because my job at the one of my jobs at the health.

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Department is that I oversee the overdose fatality review team, so we select cases of folks that we.

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Lost in carroll county and we review the team with um we review the case with a multidisciplinary.

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Team to include some folks in this room actually right now and they're, dedicated amazing people and.

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We look at each case and look to see where we can improve things and where we can do better and we.

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Try to make recommendations and um just in on any level. So that's the reason I'm sitting here today.

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um I also oversee the naloxone program, um but for today for international overdose awareness.

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Day we placed 60 flags in front of the health department, which represents each life that we.

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Lost in the past 12 months, obviously 60's too many, and we absolutely want to work harder to decrease.

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That, because I would like very much to come back here every year with smaller and smaller numbers,.

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But it's also about honoring, as mentioned in the proclamation people who go unseen, people.

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Who are unintended first responders? People like you and me who do caring and administer naloxone.

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These are folks who are using with the person who overdoses their family mothers, fathers who.

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Are overdosing to their or I'm sorry administering naloxone to their children, who are overdosing and.

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Those folks are also, you know, impacted obviously, by this epidemic, so I will leave that that's all.

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I'm going to say for now. Thank you, okay, my lovely, lovely friends, one one question the.

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The drugs seem to be constantly changing the drugs of choice. The drugs are coming in the country.

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Does everything how more complicated does that make it to stop an overdose.

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um Unfortunately, more and more complicated [music] um when fentanyl kind of came in around 2014-15, it.

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um Our overdoses increased substantially, it's a lot more powerful, it um is deadlier and we're.

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Losing more people as a result of that over the last few years, we're also seeing something called.

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Xylazine, which complicates things in that it is not an opioid, so naloxone won't reverse it. It.

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Is a sedative so we're seeing folks who might be administered naloxone but they're remaining.

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um Unresponsive for a longer period of time- and it is also causing some very, very painful and.

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Sometimes debilitating wounds they can result if, if left untreated, they can result in amputations.

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Unfortunately, so the more they put in the supply on the street, the worse, I think things get what's.

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This called xylazine tranq. I also call tranq hmm thanks wow wow any other thoughts or do we hand it.

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Over to the wonderful in purple, mr webber, I love handing the mic over so yes, tim weber. I work for.

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The carroll county state's attorney's office today is is a very uh important day for me. Number one.

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Being an overdose survivor in in october of 2003, I had my last overdose and then almost a month later,.

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I surrendered engaged in recovery and got really involved and have spent from that day to this day.

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Working trying to help others from from not going down that same road, the one thing I.

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Will say, is this county and I've been around different counties and I was in pennsylvania.

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For a year on a, I took a leave and went up there to do some things. We are so united in this county.

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From from you guys, sitting up there to the collaboration with the law enforcement, the.

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Health department, the public schools, all of the agencies that work together is is unheard of the.

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Way we work together. Some of the I would tell them some of the stories about how this work, even the.

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Role that I have at the state's attorney's office, how that had come up came into fruition was was.

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Just unheard of to to them, so I just I I thank you guys um if it weren't for people carrying.

J

Naloxone naloxone saved my life and it and it, let me be a father and let me be a grandfather.

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A community member and and the person I am today and if it weren't for you know if people like.

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Colonel hart um and and law enforcement carrying that that's who saved my life, it wasn't colonel.

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Hart but it was in you know, it was the same. You know different face, someone saved my life and and.

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Luckily, that day, I got up and walked into a place and and changed. So I thank you guys for everything.

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That you do for our county and a proud owner of a flower shop yeah. Just not saying you know.

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To to give that free advertisement, but it's awesome. Yes, that's that's why I.

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Match my purple so well and I'm so glad you talked about everybody here, working together.

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um I was blessed to be in district court a few times over the last 30 days or so, and.

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One of the things that help with the judges and the state's attorneys that are on the.

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Other side that day um a lot of recovery, people who have recovered themselves they're even show.

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Up in court and talk about a plan, you know this is a possible plan. Instead of you know,.

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Don't just throw him in jail, let's try to help him and that's giant that is giant.

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Yeah, it's very it's very unique in our in our county. One of one of the things we do is is with.

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The the court system helping to navigate people when it's when it's feasible and it makes sense to.

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Get them to treatment and- and they can go instead of going to jail, been being monitored and go to.

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Treatment: it's it's made a big change. One of the best quotes I mean sticks with me. All the time is.

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When a gentleman stands up there and says you know, I hate rock bottom, but thank goodness I hate rock.

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Bomb in carroll county and getting arrested in carroll county, because here I am today so.

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But yeah sure my name is brian mccall, I'm also a person in uh in long-term recovery.

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I'm the owner and founder of mulligan recovery centers here in carroll county um I'm also. I.

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Lost my father to an overdosed in 2007 about six months before I made the decision to get clean.

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um You know exactly what you said like I'm incredibly grateful to have gotten clean in.

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Carroll county and to be in recovery in carroll county to be of service to the men and women.

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That are seeking recovery, long-term recovery. The resources here are absolutely phenomenal. The men.

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And women that are on the front lines that said it in what you had read like with the compassion.

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Is so key right, there's all the things that the naloxone, the the treatment centers the judges.

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And the courts and stuff. But if the community provides compassion and understanding to those.

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That are struggling, which is what carroll county does it makes it so much easier for them to be.

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Able to recover and change their life. um I was incarcerated when my father died to an overdose.

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I never got to say goodbye. I showed up at the funeral. I was the only person that was there.

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um Because of where his life had gone from addiction and to see the men and the women.

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With the health department, with the state's attorney with in so many organizations like.

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Showing up just like uh you were saying with the volunteers and the storms like this is a storm.

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And we have so many people that are willing to show up and volunteer and give their effort and.

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Not just effort, but the compassionate love and the understanding, it's absolutely beautiful in carroll.

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County and I'm grateful to have pushed my meeting to show up because that's what we do today, that's.

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What we do in recovery to to just show our faces and show that we are real people, people that are.

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In recovery are human beings that are able to make incredible changes, not just in our communities but.

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In the states and in the in the country really and to save so many people, and so I'm just grateful to.

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Be here I'm grateful for the opportunity to speak on behalf of the recovery community. I'm grateful.

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That you guys are are proclaiming recovery month. It's beautiful thing really well said. Thank you.

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So there are others that are here. I want to share your thoughts, we're gonna and and while you're.

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Back to yourself coming forward, I also want to thank you. You guys have talked about how blessed.

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We are in carroll county. I want to thank um our sheriff's department too. um The person I was.

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With spent 30 or 60 days in our detention center and if you got to be in a detention center, I'm.

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Glad it was that one, oh yeah, so a true gentleman would let the lady have a seat, but that's okay,.

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It's okay, you know just just saying, but you know personal friend yeah, for the first time.

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Okay, so my name is jennifer gribble and I'm also uh somebody who is in long-term recovery.

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um I am a peer recovery specialist at the carroll county health department. I am somebody who works.

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With primarily the homeless community out here um with you know, mental health and or substance abuse.

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um So what I do day to day um is, is I I connect. You know, people struggling with. um You know.

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Different ailments to resources that we have- um I am somebody who grew up in miami florida.

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um I was sent here in 2018 to carroll county to get treatment.

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um Big distance away- um I I you know I was here for a couple years where I had met. You know a.

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Lot of people um in the recovery field- and I went back home um to miami florida to where.

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This community here is just so there's something about it to where my family just didn't understand.

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Why I wanted to be back here? um You know I went back to miami to get my son because I am somebody.

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Who you know um after overdose after overdose after relapse after relapse? I lost a lot of.

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Things you know I was somebody who was homeless, which is why the homeless community is so close.

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And dear to my heart, that is something that I had struggled with with the substance abuse.

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So um being being here and having the opportunity to be one of these people, who kind of you know.

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Helps our community, not just in my personal life, but also my professional life to me is, is like.

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You know you've said it's a blessing. um You know I. It took me a really long time to find my calling.

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um And it's something that they say you know if you love what you do, you never have to work a.

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Day in your life- and this is the only job that career that has stuck for me, um because it's.

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Very dear to my heart- and you know, I'm somebody who comes from a long line of law enforcement so.

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um You know um the first responders are very close. You know um we work with a lot of them because of.

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You know the homeless outreach committee that I'm a part of we, you know, connect each other. You know.

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Very very connected to each other, so I'm very you know supportive and very you know lucky that we.

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Have such great first responders that you know just like touching on what brian said was you.

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Know that compassion um and then you know what adrian was saying some people that are you know.

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Unintended first responders, you know, could be some little old lady who's at the grocery store, who.

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Just forgot she took too many percocets, you know and you're there to help little grandma. You know.

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So you know I just wanted to say thank you and I'm I'm very. You know likely to be blessed or very.

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Lucky to be part of you know, being here being able to voice my opinion and being able to um you know.

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See the proclamation of overdose awareness day, so thanks guys absolutely for you before you jump up.

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um I'm I'm so thankful. You mentioned mental health and drug abuse because they're way more connected.

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Than a lot of people think they are and you're working on both because very often, if you don't.

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Fix one, you can't fix the other right, so thank you and we are grateful to have you as a part.

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Of our community we're grateful to have all of you as a part of our community. You know we you.

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Are part of what makes who we are? Who we are? You know, and I'm grateful to god that that all of you.

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Are are not only you know getting through these things, but turning it into something. Incredibly,.

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Positive by what you're doing for others now and- and that is a beautiful thing, so god bless you.

C

Guys for that I'll tell you that was very profound who we are is who we are. I like that. So sorry,.

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um Anyone else anyone anyone, I'm gonna toss just an extra thing, because.

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um While you guys were doing the previous proclamation, I realized that.

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um You unknowingly teed us up pretty well to uh throw out there that we are working on kind of a.

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I don't know I I guess a campaign if you will to encourage people to upgrade their first aid.

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Kit so valerie mentioned emergency kits and um I really think everyone should carry naloxone.

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In their emergency kit, if you don't have it, you can call the health department and.

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um We will get it for you, but any one of us could become that unintended first responder at uh it's.

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It's what saves people's lives. I appreciate that, because I I mentioned mako merlin association.

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Counties and they were handing out naloxone, they were um the boxes and I will give it away like.

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Candy y'all yeah, I mean yeah, so I grabbed a couple bucks. I know you you were with me: rhonda did as.

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Well, uh it it's one of those that said you have to have it. It's very fortunate that we do have it.

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um You know I looked up xylazine and I thought I recognize it. It's partner with ketamine, which.

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Is a horse tranquilizer, that's a veterinarian and having horses, I'm aware, and I never knew.

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That that's what they were using now as I was in now in addition to the ketamine so.

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Horrible, um but I guess important that we're identifying it and we're recognizing it. So if.

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You recognize it, you can hopefully come up with a hope in the course of action. For me, come up.

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With a solution uh on how to deal with it, I think education is what you're doing best so.

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Any other uh thoughts comments. Okay, let's, while we get a happy snap on it, everybody come on up. um Why.

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Don't we stay in the back, we have all of them in the front yeah and it makes us look. Skinnier yeah.

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Yeah, we have a rule here. If you don't talk, you have to be in the picture.

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And if you, if you want to take your patches off, feel free just hold on to them.

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Yeah moving next to act like you like them right yeah! Oh my gosh, yeah.

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Thank you guys.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you guys. Thank you so much. Thank you.

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We'll get there somewhere.

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Thank you see ya. Oh thank you. Okay,.

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Yes, we do. Yes, let's move uh right into a public hearing regarding.

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Nuisance call ordinance, and I like to kick this off with.

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Handing it over to uh mr tim burke for a short presentation. I believe.

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Mr stewart and whoever else will be having a conversation want to come on up to the.

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To the table you know I'm going to say, commissioner rossin I like his jacket.

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It's very summery. I wish I could pull something like that off. Okay, these are things we don't.

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Need to hear right now, that's right I'll! Let the jacket be loud instead of me, this time seriously,.

N

Good morning, commissioners, this is a public hearing on a proposed excessive police nuisance.

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Call ordinance and this public hearing was advertised in the carroll county times on the.

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17Th and the 24th of august, it has hosted on your county's website. It was the jacket uh for several.

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Weeks and the purpose of today's public hearing is to elicit any public comment on a the proposed.

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Ordinance, which has been posted and advertised, as you said, we have some guests with us. uh We have.

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A major stem from the sheriff's office and michael stewart from the state's attorney's office and we.

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Did receive one public nuisance call already about a jacket, so we're already. I do know. I believe we.

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Have somebody on the phone but that'll come in a minute, and hopefully it won't be about the jacket.

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But uh gentlemen, why don't you uh share with us and your thoughts before you share? I want.

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To mention something because of uh your favorite topic: social media- you use the word excessive. Yes,.

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And that's the intention of this. I'm sure you guys were going to focus on that anyway, but.

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I'm tired of seeing posts- oh oh, the police, don't want to do their jobs. Well, you're still going to.

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Go when you're called and you just don't want to be abused and and that's a big difference between.

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I think people in the community are concerned. If I call you twice this month, your law would have hit.

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Me with this: well, no you're, not you know, that's not the intention. It's excessive and we've got a.

N

Quick five slides to roll right into this. uh The first slide the background of this uh ordinance.

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Is there's a small number of properties in carroll county that generate a whole lot of police calls.

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For disturbances and some of the disturbances are alcoholic beverage violations disturbing the.

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Peace violations, disorderly conduct, violations, uh theft, noise violations, prostitution, other types of.

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Disturbances and what we're trying to do with this ordinance is to address these excessive police.

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Calls and more importantly, to encourage property owners and business owners to be proactive and to.

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Take steps to avoid these these things right now they simply pick up the phone and call the police.

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After the fact second slide, please the first, it's several phases to this process, the first. If, if a.

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Police officer is dispatched to a property and the disturbance has been found to occur uh in.

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The following number, uh during the uh a specific, 12-month period they're, given a warning if you've.

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Got a a non-resident or mixed juice and you get to five calls or you've got a residence, and you.

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Get three calls within within a 12-month period or a multi-family residential property, with six calls.

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In a 12-month period, you're going to get a visit from a deputy and he or she is going to say you're.

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On the wrong track here, uh you're halfway through to being placed on probation, which you don't want.

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To be so, please take some steps to uh reduce these number of calls be proactive if they don't listen.

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Or to the deputy they're unable to get things under control, us third slide. Please they're going.

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To be placed on what's called probationary status, and that means, if you're a non a non-residential.

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Use or a mixed use, you get 10 calls during the 12-month period if you're, a residential use. You.

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Get five calls or a multi-family residential use. You get 12 calls you're placed on probation what.

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That means is in the next slide, please at your next violation, while you're on probationary status.

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uh Your first uh call, that's found to be founded or warranted by the deputy is a 500 civil citation.

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uh The second call- and this is all during this 12-month period- second- call uh if it's founded.

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To be a a violation, is 750, and the third call within that 12-month period is a you're issued.

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A civil citation in the amount of a thousand dollars in the final slide. Please there's some.

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Exemptions under the law, if, if uh and they're listed they're pretty self-explanatory, uh we.

N

Certainly, don't want to discourage any calls about crimes in progress or where personal safety is.

N

Involved we want to make sure that mental health and medical emergencies don't count towards this.

N

uh This ordinance, they don't count as calls for disturbances same with domestic violence, incidents.

N

They wouldn't count towards the count, trespass violations, if you, if you've, got a property and.

N

Some guy keeps coming back and forth, even though you've taken all the steps you can to keep him.

N

Off, that's not going to count and any other calls that you're required to make under the.

N

Federalist or state law would not count towards this scheme, leading up to possible violations. Do.

N

We have any questions of staff before we open it up to the public so do either. One of you have any.

A

Added yeah, so, um as mr burke mentioned and and commissioner kyler briefly touched on from a law.

O

Enforcement standpoint: this is not um us sitting in an office looking at a spreadsheet and going.

O

Out and writing fines to folks in the community. We want to utilize this as a tool to try and reduce.

O

Police service calls use it as a tool to be able to work with our community members and identify.

O

That there may be a problem at their residence at their business at a location in the county, where.

O

We have excessive police calls for service. It is a tool for us to be able to integrate with the.

O

Community work with business owners, landlords, tenants, etc to try and reduce police calls for.

O

Service, I don't want the board of commissioners or anybody in the public to think that this is simply.

O

A money making scheme for anybody or that we as law enforcement, are going to be simply putting the.

O

Hammer down on on folks, we want to utilize this as again a tool to be able to work with the community.

O

And when we speak with them, when we go out and talk with them once they go on probationary.

O

Status to be able to give them ideas on how they can work with our office with outside entities.

O

To reduce crime and incidences at their location, so I just wanted to briefly touch on that, because.

O

I know that mr burke had mentioned something to commissioner kyler. You would briefly touched on it.

N

And major stem this is not a checklist where oops you hit five, you have discretion, absolutely not.

O

That we wrote the ordinance, so it does give the police department discretion um to to.

O

Decide what a qualify and call is or is not I'll, give you a quick example. um You know.

O

If somebody goes into a cvs and and sticks a gun in the cashier's face and and demands money that.

O

Obviously, is a threat to public safety along with a theft theft is one of the qualifying calls so.

O

We would not go in there and say: well, you know. If somebody came in and robbed you we're going to.

O

Mark this down as a qualifying call. That certainly is not the intent. We don't want to discourage.

O

Folks from calling 9-1-1, we don't want anybody to think that they can't call 9-1-1 for any reason.

O

um Obviously, we want people to feel safe and know that they can call us if they need something. So.

O

um I I just don't want the intent of the ordinance to be misled and to be absolutely.

C

Clear so everybody who's listening knows you will always respond to a call, always respond. Absolutely.

C

And my understanding of this is, and then please correct me if I'm wrong is part of it- is that you.

C

Have a certain property owners or business owners who are utilizing law enforcement not to actually.

C

Try to adjudicate the crime, but because they want to write it off on their taxes or because they see.

C

It's a convenient way for them to to get onto the the next financial step. You guys want to go out.

C

And deal with the crime, you don't want to go out there for no reason there are businesses in the.

O

County that will call us, after the fact, with no evidentiary value in place to what we assume is.

O

Just get a tax write-off, yes or an insurance claim, or something or results for some reason.

C

But again, just for the for anybody, who's listening to the public, these any man any of.

C

Our men and women in uniform will always respond to a call, always that will not change absolutely.

A

Any uh comments, mr stewart. uh Yes, that just the impetus behind this is for it was a gap. I mean.

P

We have there's a criminal statute if you keep a house that has cds, drugs or paraphernalia, there's.

P

A provision in the real property law that lets you close down, houses of prostitution and drug.

P

Houses, but this is one that fell through the cracks and I will say this: we hope it doesn't.

P

Get used at all because we hope that in other jurisdictions, there's an educational component.

P

Letting them know that it's there, you have these steps where the deputy goes out and.

P

The first thing they're going to do is with the warning is instruct people well. You know.

P

This is the law, so you know the law and that you know if there are steps you can take instead of.

P

Try to externalize your loss prevention to the sheriff, which essentially, some people do or if.

P

You just have a hat, you just have issues and it can be cleared up. So you know you look at other.

P

Jurisdictions, it's rarely used. The educational component usually is enough for most. uh You know.

P

Good citizens who want to comply, but this is just another tool we hope we never have to use it and.

P

Of course, it has nothing to do with revenue has nothing to do with responding in need. It's just.

P

Something that we felt there was a gap and nothing that we saw in the books would accommodate it. So.

A

Any questions, just just a comment um and this being written and developed, was a collaboration.

D

It wasn't, you know it wasn't one group that did it. It was a collaboration, accounting attorney. You.

D

Guys you guys and and input from everybody it was a team effort and one of the things we wanted to.

P

Make sure was that law enforcement, the person who have to enforce it, where the rubber met the road.

P

Was happy with the way it was written and- and you know major stem uh was instrumental in helping us.

P

Craft a discretion into it where it wasn't one of these a bingo chart where you're you know score.

P

Keeping like at a baseball game, so you know he was instrumental. As you know, the representative.

P

In that room so, like I said, everyone was consulted from county through state's attorney's office to.

P

uh Sheriff's office, so you went from five syllable words down to two. Well, I'm not.

P

Commissioner of bigliotti, so I mean I can't be: was it polysyllabic polysyllabic? Thank you.

B

Oh okay, and to commissioner kyler's comment. There obviously was a collaborative.

E

Option to put this together, but then the other thing just to mention to my colleagues and the.

E

Public, that's uh listening or watching. This was also a topic at mako, which of course, is the county.

E

Organization that we just had a meeting with uh about two weeks ago that this was a a topic we had.

E

The attorney general of maryland, we had a number of folks from law enforcement around the state as.

E

Well, as some some major retailers talking about the severity of this nationwide- and I realized.

E

Some will go well, that's nationwide, that's not carroll county and you're right. It's not, but we.

E

Also, don't want it to become that, so you know it's to uh to mr stewart's point: it's a tool.

E

We hope we never use, but it's probably better to have the option than not and I think there's.

O

There's several municipalities counties throughout the state that are watching I'm seeing what we do.

O

And how how it works for us? Yes in carroll county, so we could be trendsetters possible.

N

Not always a good thing in this case is the is the are the slides and ordinance uh proposed.

A

Ordinance available to the public, yes they're up on the website. Okay, thank you. Any other comments.

A

Thank uh commissioner, gordon and, and you, mr stewart and you major stem for and all the.

F

Others for working on this, this is, I think this is a step in the right direction and other like.

F

You mentioned other counties, attorneys and other municipalities are talking about this they're.

F

Talking about this problem, but they're not yet quite talking about that solution, yet so this.

F

Is a way of us getting in front of what we know is just part for the course. Unfortunately, in the.

F

Region we live in, so thank you. Thank you to all of you. Are there any comments in the audience.

A

And I expect you filled out a salmon or colored card in the back. Have you not aware of that? I.

A

Apologize, why don't you um there's a cards in the back? That's all right if they could just give us.

N

Their name and address as they make their comments, I was going to say that all right somebody, I think.

A

A caller as well okay is that true, chris, yes, we have a caller on the line. Would you like to begin.

M

With yeah, why don't we start with the caller? Why don't you grab the cards and then we'll go.

A

From there so call her if you can um share with us your name address and go from there. Yes, miss.

M

Barrett, could you please use star six to unmute you'll have three minutes for your public comment.

M

Star 6 to unmute, please miss barrett.

M

We can't unmute you.

M

If you're having trouble hang up- and please call in back in.

A

Is that what they did no she's still on the line? Okay, she may, she may have put us on hold she's.

M

Been waiting since nine o'clock, so, okay, let's move on okay yeah, whoever would like to speak first.

Q

Or husband and wife so feel free, so that means she's speaking first.

B

You said it girl my husband's a gentleman. I apologize if you can.

A

Go to the microphone and share with us uh your name where your you reside.

Q

um Christina lawrence um in taneytown maryland, my husband and I this day.

Q

um Our first year residents, we've we've made it to the first year in carroll county and we're very.

Q

Grateful to be here so relations. Thank you. um We read this um ordinance and.

Q

We kind of feel we could be wrong because we're new to the county we're this is my first time ever.

Q

um Speaking to a county council so bear with me.

Q

um I we kind of feel that what was proposed in the language um we're clear on.

Q

um The intent, the intent, but the way it was written, um forgive me that doesn't mean to.

Q

Insult anyone, it seems like it's open-ended as to who will be.

Q

um Targeted our concern is it's not direct enough that, um in I think it's.

Q

Definition for where it says disturbance, it seems to target. In our opinion, um it seems to.

Q

Target, law-abiding citizens and businesses versus the violators. Our our concern is that, if we're.

Q

Calling the police, due to a noise, noisy neighbor, we don't want to be targeted with a nuisance, call.

Q

um That's our concern and the way it's written, we're not. We don't feel that it's clear that we.

Q

Would not be targeted or not targeted, but we would not fall into this um if I could maybe just add to.

H

My my name is john lawrence, just adding to what my wife has said, we're fully in support of the intent.

H

Of this ordinance, no doubt about it. What wasn't clear when we read about the section that says.

H

Responsibility for qualifying calls. It isn't clear that the type of businesses that are mentioned.

H

Are discriminated versus anyone say, for example, down the street. Someone has a party and someone.

H

Gets drunk and passes out in my yard, so that's not a safety concern, but it's a nuisance to me so.

H

I call the police when I read the determination of a qualifying call. It sounds to me like that.

H

Will count as one call against my property, even though I'm happy to prosecute the person you know.

H

I have security measures to keep this from happening, and yet, when I read this, it says.

H

I've called so you're. You are responding to a disturbance on my property. It's resulted in a.

H

Dispatch of an officer and the officer determines that this has been a disturbance, it doesn't say.

H

Anything about you know mr lawrence refused to prosecute, or anything like that. So where am I.

H

Going wrong, I'm not an attorney, so the last number 10 on the last page says an exemption would be the.

N

Response has nothing to do with the property in question that you're describing a someone.

N

Who came from someone else's property a party and slept and fell asleep in your in your front?.

N

Yard that violation has nothing to do with your property right and if we need to clarify that.

N

We will, but that we're not here to to attempt to address uh people making the calls it's the source.

N

Of the calls that, where the calls originate from so okay, so yes, you you would you should call if.

N

Somebody's falling asleep in your front lawn and we'll ask: where did they come from and you'll say.

N

That there's a party going on down the street and that person would get a uh a warning or or.

N

And you can also, if I could address just one one of the other issues that that they brought up.

O

The ordinance does not supersede the criminal law article so if, in fact um the the example you gave.

O

Was there's a noisy neighbor and you call 9-1-1 the the deputy officer trooper responding? Would.

O

Still appropriately cite arrests, etc, the violator and then that qualifying call would then also be.

O

Calculated but but I wanted to make clear that the the ordinance does not supersede any.

O

Criminal enforcement that may be taken against a violator right. No, we we just, um I, I think and and.

Q

We could be wrong on this, but it just when we read it. It just seemed like it was almost like.

Q

um It was a little too generalized, it seemed it made us feel as abiding citizens that we would be.

Q

Held accountable, if we placed a call and that's the only thing that you know if, if we again like.

Q

My husband said: if we placed a call- and we were willing to- you- know, give you testimony as to.

Q

What occurred? We're, not the ones creating the noise infraction, and we just didn't, want to be.

R

Clarification correct. Thank you, okay. I appreciate it and uh you know appreciate.

A

Sharing that- and I think you know, we need clarification and it will work towards it.

A

um Chris, do we have the caller? Yes, caller we're going to try with you again. If you could please.

M

Hit star six on your phone and we'd like to give you an opportunity for public comment on this item.

M

M

Holler on the line.

M

M

Well, apparently, she's not with us we're having trouble with her phone. She had.

M

The opportunity to call back in so is it diane barrett. Is that who you're trying to.

A

Reach that is correct. That is correct, so diane barry. If you can hit star what six.

S

The uh if, if the board chooses to follow the recommended motion, we'll be closing the.

S

um Public hearing but leaving the record open for 10 days right. So if ms barrett is not able.

S

To speak today, she's welcome to email or or mail. Her comments um to the board for, for.

S

Consideration when you take it up, which is a fair way of doing things and moving things along so.

S

And anyways, of course, well yeah at least still time specifically. No, I appreciate it. um Okay, so.

A

With all that shared, um what I do need is, at this point of motion, to bring the public hearing to a.

A

Conclusion keep the record open for 10 days, motion to conclude the public hearing and keep the record.

C

Open for 10 calendar days, second from today's date from today's date- and I got a second on that any.

A

Discussion all right- and I do appreciate that mr mr lawrence- is it for coming in it's a good.

F

Perspective from a new resident, so I think it's something that we probably need to. I think mention.

F

That we, if we can try to tighten that up a little bit or make some additional clarification um that.

A

Might be yeah? No, I welcome absolutely agree and I appreciate the the insight you're providing. I.

A

Mean because it's so much easier to work through something as it's being developed than after. The.

A

Fact and say: oh I didn't know about this, so I do appreciate that but yeah and- and that was.

D

My question, but between the three of you, are you comfortable with the number of calls the probation.

D

um The various discretions you have that they're not going to get burned for calling you are you.

D

Comfortable or do you think we need to tweak something, fortunately, for you, commissioner,.

O

Kyler, you weren't in any of the meetings where we bantered back and forth about the numbers so.

O

It changed about half a dozen times, um so we are yes and as a as a committee comfortable with that.

A

Okay, thanks for coming, okay, any uh further discussion, questions.

A

Seen here, none all in favor, aye, aye. Okay, thank you very much. Thank you.

D

Thank you thank you, and fortunately I was not in any of those meetings.

B

A

A

To to land preservation using lump sum payment option for 531 stone road, llc.

A

Property morning everybody minster morning morning.

E

We have it right here: okay,.

T

So we're here for um consideration of a project for the ag preservation program and.

T

We'll turn over to program manager, jp smith, to talk you through the process, the project.

U

Good morning, commissioners good to be here with you today good morning, we appreciate.

U

Your time, I just wanted to mention we're still at the same total of 78 715 acres.

U

Currently, we do have another settlement scheduled for a couple weeks from now.

U

um Today, we're before you for a final approval of county program. This is one of our remainder.

U

Properties located at 531 stone, road llc, it's 107 acres, there's no lot rights to retire, fair market.

U

Value of the land only only was four hundred and twelve thousand one hundred twenty dollars and.

U

Fifty eight cents, the cost of the county, will be 288 484.41, which is 2696.12 cents per acre.

U

Here's the farm just south of stone, road.

U

Here's how the farm lays with another block of easement property.

U

Picture of the farm going down the driveway beautiful.

U

It is a very nice well-kept property. Thank you. Another picture of the property.

U

So, like I said today we're before you for a final approval of 531 stone, road, llc property.

U

107 acres, no lot rights to retire market, the value of the land, only four hundred and twelve thousand.

U

One hundred twenty dollars and fifty eight cents had a cost to the county of 288 484.41 cents.

A

What are the name of the cows? I don't know, but they probably have names. I bet you. They do. Okay,.

S

Larry moe and curly there you go motion to exercise an option to purchase an easement.

C

On the 531 stone road, llc property in the amount of 288, 484.41 cents, 41 or 58, I'm looking because.

E

It's two different numbers here. Oh no, I'm sorry! I was looking at it wrong for a good second.

A

I have a motion. I have a second any discussion on this seen here. None all in favor.

A

Aye aye: okay: let's talk about the thank you. Commissioners exercise option to.

A

Purchase final approval of proposed critical forms that is correct. The spencer property.

U

So today, we're here for final approval for the raymond neal spencer property located.

U

2932 sykesville road, it's 87.51 acres, we're retiring nine lot rights and is in district four.

U

Appraised value of the property is one million three hundred and twelve thousand seven hundred.

U

Dollars and the purchase price was nine hundred thousand dollars. The cost of the county is 472 500.

U

Which is 52 percent of the purchase price, which was lower than the appraised value.

U

Here's where the farm sits along route, 32.

U

And here's how it fits in with other properties.

U

We do have other properties available in the area to be.

C

Commissioner garen did you. uh I move the board of commissioners exercise the option to purchase the.

F

Raymond neil spencer property, through the critical farms program and the amount of.

F

472 500. Second, I got a motion. I got a second any discussion on this seen here.

A

None all in favor all right. Thank you so much. Thank you. Okay! Let's.

A

Talk about carroll transit systems, carol, transit system holidays. Ladies.

C

Good morning, good morning, good morning,.

V

All right, I'm here this morning with crystal weinbrenner, the executive director of ride.

V

With us- and we are here this morning- to get your approval to open transit on a few select holidays.

V

um The holidays we are referring to would be martin luther king president's day, juneteenth.

V

Columbus day and veterans day, we are proposing to start this on january, 1st so columbus day and.

V

Veterans day this year we would still be closed. We start on january 1st. The first one would be.

V

Martin luther king, um currently carroll transit, follows the county schedule for holidays. However,.

V

These five have come up in some conversations at the transit advisory council and during some.

V

Public forums and just from public feedback by remaining open on these days, cts would be able.

V

To better serve the general public to get to and from work appointments the grocery.

V

Store those type of trips have made up about 41 of our trips last fiscal year.

V

um Being open on how those holidays would also benefit our partner organizations such.

V

As arc, they currently follow our um holiday schedule, so they are closed on these days and.

V

Their their clients can't get to them or get to their employment opportunities that they have.

V

And dda makes up about 38 of our demand. Response as a whole, so being open would certainly help.

V

Them and would help their caregivers if they are not able to be home. Those days now, we can't tell.

V

You what ridership is going to be because there are holidays and it's a different. You know day.

V

Of the week, but we do expect it to be less than an average day, but we do expect there to be ridership.

V

um Our average trips per day for last fiscal year on demand response was 320 and 92 on trailblazer.

V

So we are expect we are requesting to open. Both services have full service open for all.

V

Five holidays and based on our revenue service hours, which is what we pay our contractor on the.

V

Total operating cost of opening five days would be about forty five thousand dollars.

V

Now that is still under our total contract, so there would be no additional county funds.

V

Necessary the contract would still cover those. Are there additional federal holidays that are.

A

Still not going to be covered where it doesn't follow the carroll county government schedule.

A

What do you mean? Well, you picked five days that it would still be closed on the other days that.

V

We are close, 12, th federal holidays. I believe, and that's correct, there's 12 now so you're picking.

A

Five out of the 12. correct the other one's being christmas christmas labor day thanks uh memorial,.

V

Day and fourth of july, I think you're around the reason why we're picking just the five and not the.

A

Seven others- um these are just a a more retail day, there's more things that are open on these.

V

Holidays, you think of christmas and thanksgiving most of the county is closed. So there wouldn't.

V

Be anybody on the bus, but these holidays seem to be the most open um and less people have.

V

Off those kind of days, they're also the days that our organizations like arc and penmar are would be.

W

Open, if not for us being closed so that they don't they they just don't have transportation to get.

W

Their folks to and from but they are not closed in general they're, just closed based on our schedule.

A

Memorial day um memorial day, we would still be closed good friday memorial day.

W

Labor day, fourth of july, not in that order, obviously um thanksgiving and christmas.

W

My new year's day and new year's day, sorry, I mean there's a lot of things open still.

A

Memorial day labor day um thinking, doctors, offices and right stuff, like that they're open.

S

So on our on our medical assistant, side of transportation, all of them are closed.

W

um So that also kind of went into some of that, our medical most medical facilities are closed on the holidays that we're not suggesting.

W

um Or we're suggesting to remain closed um and that's just based on the information from our.

W

Other contract providing medical assistance trips and we only pick up dialysis clients that day.

W

On those days rather yeah I mean I I'm just I'm fine with this, I'm just thinking. If we're picking.

A

And choosing five or six are there, others that should be put into this? And if the answer is no.

A

The answer is no, I just you know feeling based on your guys experience. Do you think you'd get.

D

As many riders on those other holidays, as you expect to get on this, no mainly because they.

W

Are the bigger holidays um and there are so many facilities and and things close and with.

W

Christmas and thanksgiving specifically there's nothing open so or new year's day.

A

Yeah, I definitely see those I'm just okay. Okay, I mean I'm just I'm always one for if we.

A

Buy one vehicle: why aren't we buying three? You know if we're choosing five days I mean there's.

V

Always a possibility that, when we start with these five, that our organization organizations.

V

Come back to us and say: hey it'd be really great. If you did these two and then we would be able to.

V

Give you data like these five holidays actually had ridership. Maybe these would too, but I think.

V

Right now we would not open on those all right and just come back to us if it yeah, I mean if.

V

It comes up or if we get requests for it, that's we'll certainly keep track of all those things.

V

Okay, awesome so just out of curiosity so you're um if we were to add any additional, not that we're.

E

Necessarily going to do that right this second, but if we were is there, is there any possibility.

E

That any of those would still fit within the current budget moving forward, we still have we.

V

Still have a little bit of room, um I don't know that every holiday that we're closed, but um you.

V

Know one or two more, I think, would still be okay, okay and we're going to have a new contract in a.

V

Year and a half anyway, so okay, um that might be a new time to start that, even if we, if we wanted to.

E

I think I think it's a good idea to test this out now, I'm glad you brought this forward.

E

Because, obviously you know it is a little tricky sometimes to get around in carroll.

E

County, if you don't have access to vehicle, so I think it I think it. I think it definitely warns.

E

Us attempting this and kind of seeing where we go, so I appreciate you bringing us up. Thank you.

S

Is a good friday that might, if you wanted to add one more, that would be one that I think.

S

Many businesses are open, including doctors, offices and things and you're. I don't know.

S

If that's come up in your conversations, ladies or not, but I yeah, I I'm going to.

V

Defer to you on that, one that I don't know as far as ridership is concerned. Good friday is.

W

Another one any basically any holiday, that's around a religious um event is generally.

W

Most of the doctor's offices or closer have shortened hours, um and so the only ones that.

W

Actually, no, I we don't the seven that we would or the eight that we would still ask to remain.

W

Closed for are the ones that we have only dialysis clients, those days and government.

W

Services are closed. Obviously, so, there's no housing access carol. Things like that are closed.

C

And vadanna suggests otherwise just come back to us and right exactly um on a.

A

Another topic, but I still believe appropriate.

A

Not necessarily public transportation, but transportation um is there a way to.

A

um Identify those that are on public transportation that if they had their.

A

Own transportation would be able to do what's necessary.

A

There's program vehicles for change, which is a non-profit.

A

We have available to us in carroll, county, multiple vehicles.

A

And it seems like a challenge to give away vehicles because of the criteria associated with.

A

The vehicles uh they need to be able to be insured, they need to have work uh x amount a week and.

A

Then they basically sell the vehicle at very, very low cost. You know a couple hundred bucks type.

A

Thing if a rider- and I want to take business away from public transportation. But one of the major.

A

Reasons of low income and people in challenge because they don't have their own transportation.

A

um I don't know if that's something we can look at. um You know through a poll through some sort of.

A

Analysis- I I don't know I just I'm trying to help citizen services. Social services come up with how.

A

Do we identify folks that could benefit from their own vehicle? uh You know, and I feel that.

A

Some using public transportation may, even if it's one or two I mean I, I don't care. uh I wonder if.

A

The answer is no, then the answer is no, but at least it's something that we're looking towards.

V

So I would definitely agree that citizen services is definitely the correct push for finding those.

V

Those people that would be most benefiting from that, but we actually are putting out a survey.

V

um For the month of september, the transit advisory council has decided they wanted to do that and.

V

um Our I don't think our writer survey says anything about it, but our community survey.

V

About why you don't use transit um does have a question on it that you do have your own car.

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um So we might be able to pull a little bit of information from that. As far as you know,.

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Why you're not using it or why you are using it, because you can't drive yourself right to.

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Be able to give you a little bit of data, it's anonymous, so it wouldn't be able to give you.

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Names, but I'd be able to give you an idea of this is how many people ride our service, because.

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They don't have their own vehicle yeah. I think um you know just having the conversation with.

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Citizen services, you know saying: hey it's being brought up now, uh I'm always looking out. Okay,.

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We have opportunity in the community to serve the community, it's an opportunity that I don't believe.

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We're taking full advantage of, uh fortunately we do have the transportation services and it's.

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Very successful and that's why you're coming here to increase it. So I'm like that's awesome.

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How does that now, you know potentially dovetail into opportunity for people standing on their own.

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Two feet because they can have their own vehicle right so yeah. If you can further that conversation.

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With celine or with uh team yeah, we can certainly work with them and we could, we could put you know.

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Advertisements on the buses, or something like that just to let people know that that's an option if.

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That's something that they could possibly do yeah, because we have funding for it. We have the.

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Attention uh towards it, so, okay, okay and I don't know if anybody does it here um and I don't know.

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If they still do it, frederick the mission in frederick similar to the rescue mission here.

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um They have a partner who, if you graduate from the program, will sell you a car at a used car.

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Like half price, um you have to sign a deal that you're not going to sell for three years and blah.

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Blah blah and they check on you and all that, so it does happen and oh yeah jurisdictions. I.

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Mean I don't know if anybody here does it or not? Well, and that's what we have that benefit money.

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Was given to vehicles for change earmarked four carroll county, uh a handful of vehicles and I'm.

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Working with the vehicles for change and now and he came back to me and says, I'm trying to identify.

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You know counting it yeah, so good yeah, so this may be a way through survey or something but just.

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Eyes and ears open for potential. I appreciate that. Okay, this sounds great. I appreciate the.

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The diligence in doing this and um look forward to hearing some of the numbers and if we want to.

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Open it up for additional days, I think we all agree. That's potential yeah. I need a motion to.

C

Move forward motion to approve the department of public works, carroll transit system to.

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Remain open and provide transit services on the five requested holidays. Second, I have a motion.

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Second name further discussion appreciate your time all in favor. Thank you. Thank you.

A

Okay, something I always like talking about change orders.

C

And you can see the joy and I can see the joy in your posture good morning.

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Construction inspection services for maryland, 851 down in sykesville.

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Something that has been going on for multiple years now well I'll, speak to that in a few times.

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Okay, the office of procurement in cooperation with the bureau of utilities, request your approval of.

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A change order to whitman reichert and associates llp in the amount of thirty thousand one hundred.

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Seventy dollars this will be for a 43-day extension of the construction inspection.

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Services for the sykesville maryland 851 main street water and sewer main improvements project.

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The cost of these improvements is within the adopted budget and no additional funds.

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Should be necessary so, gentlemen, as you are fully aware, the uh the main street water and sewer main.

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Improvement project is well underway. The progress rate of the contractor has been impeded due to.

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Several unexpected issues, including the partial excavation of an unknown and previously abandoned.

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Gasoline storage tank there have been several uh several additional water sewer water service.

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Connections that we've identified that had to be dealt with there were several sewer main lining.

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Issues and weather delays now, with all that in mind, my project manager, larry bloom, has done an.

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Incredible job on this project, there have been so many issues that he's encountered and dealt.

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With in a positive manner, just want to shout out to him real, quick, the the project schedule does.

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Does remain well ahead of the projected end of year, end of calendar year completion date, but.

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But the actual uh the actual duration of work will extend beyond the original 220 days that were part.

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Of the contract so as as work uh started on on this project and the problems were identified, we.

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We projected that the completion date would be the end of this calendar year. So we are, we still stay.

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Well, ahead of that schedule, the the construction aspects of the duration of work are currently.

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Being resolved with our contractor, and this item, as kerry said, is for the extension of construction.

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Inspection services for 43 days through late september, and that that is keying in on our.

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Completion day for our part of the main street project, so we we should be finished by about.

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That time parameter we are working on the punch list within the next uh next several days and the.

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Presence of a full-time inspector is required on-site to ensure the quality installation.

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And to resolve any day-to-day construction matters and questions, any questions for me.

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I tell you a lot of work's being done and uh you know sykesville, with partnership with you and.

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Our county and state highway, um you know, really shows uh to minimize the disruption now happening.

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Down there there is disruption, but they're still doing their farmers market. The stores are still.

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Open, it's still, vibrant as far as the small stores or the stores on main street. It's just.

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Taking a long time and but it's not slowing down mayor lincoln, all her activities, which.

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Is very impressive again for her strong leadership and council leadership in keeping.

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Those activities going because it'd be easy to say no when something like this is happening, but.

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um But if it has to be done, it has to be done.

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I'll move that the board of commissioners approve a change order to wra an amount of thirty thousand.

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One hundred seventy dollars for a 43-day extension of construction inspection services.

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For sykesville maryland, 851 main street water and sewer main improvements project. Second,.

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I have a motion. I have a second any discussion on this seen her in all in favor aye.

A

Okay, thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much.

A

Hey: let's talk about sinkhole mitigation at medford in evil.

Z

Rhodes avondale good morning, commissioners, good morning.

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So we do have a few um slides to present for you this morning so again, but before I get.

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Started doug brown, deputy director department of public works, uh zach neal to my right. He is our on.

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Staff pro hydrologist with department of land and resource management, maureen done with procurement.

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Ryan, the wiki with budget kathy verts and jim cook with rhodes operations. This has been exactly.

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This team, since we were first made aware about the issue that we're bringing before you today,.

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So our goal today is to brief you uh on what we have going on at medford and avondale roads.

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um This is an area that is out near the martin marietta quarry. I would let you know that we.

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Have been in communication with martin marietta representatives, they were invited today we're not.

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Able to make it, but they are well aware- and we do keep them briefed on this matter and again do.

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Work with them, cooperatively in that so with that just going to fly down, we want to be respectful.

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Your time we know we only have 10 minutes we'll go as fast or as slow as you like, but our intent.

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Is to move along in these slides unless you stop us and then we will have a point for.

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Any of your questions and all of your questions at the end, somebody told you five minutes more.

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Than that finance you have. Oh, okay. Sorry, sir five minutes talk fast. Okay set all right good morning.

AA

Commissioners, I will roll through this, as doug said as quick as I can. I just want to give you.

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A little tiny bit of background- and this I promise- is the only slide I'm really going to talk at you.

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About I'm sure all of you have experienced what we'll call or what the news will call sinkholes in.

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Some way shape or form in each of your respective districts really at the county level we break.

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Those into two categories, there's what we call the infrastructure, sinkholes and those are going to.

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Be things associated with pipelines that burst old berry debris? They can occur anywhere in the county.

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Today, what we're really going to focus on, though, are karst related sinkholes. This is going to be.

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Associated with carbonate rock in the county, it underlays about two and a half of the county and.

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This is primarily going to be in commission, big liotti's district and commissioner gordon's just.

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Sparks on the very short version here in that two and a half percent about one percent is in.

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Something that we would consider very sinkhole prone. This is predominantly going to be the.

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Wakefield marble it's a very active sinkhole area. It's always been active for sinkholes. We can see.

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Them as far back as 1937., so a few gentlemen can look at the slide real, quick, just the the.

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Very simple diagram: there there's two components to these systems. There is the underlying bedrock.

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Which has been shaped over hundreds of thousands to millions of years, you get this widening of.

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Fractures and the formation of conduits in the bedrock itself, where we actually have our issue.

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Is in the overburden that clay that's sitting over the marble and what happens is we get these.

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Cover collapse, sinkholes, so soil slowly starts to ravel down into openings in the bedrock itself and.

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You get this void that slowly migrates its way up towards the surface, and eventually the soil can no.

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Longer hold the strength and catastrophically collapses, sometimes there's a little bit of.

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Warning we'll see things like pavement breaking things of that nature. Other times, one day goes.

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By and these features can fall in all right, so uh just to give you an idea, this is the overview of.

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Medford and avondale roads areas and the pink dots that you see on there are historically recorded.

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Sinkholes that we have already dealt with in that area and if you're looking at this you're, probably.

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Asking yourself why we haven't had to come to you before, and the fact is, is that most of the.

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Sinkholes that we experience are handled by zach is our professional on staff. The bureau of roads.

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Operations and typically martin marietta will provide us with material that may be needed to.

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Fill those sinkholes or excavate them if it's in the dewatering or area of influence around that in.

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This case, the case that we're talking to you about today, we did not have do not have the necessary.

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Equipment or frankly, the drilling expertise on staff that we needed to to make that repair.

Z

So with that history being said, we'll talk to you a little bit about now the current event.

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And uh zach's going to give you a little bit of a brief on how this all started, which is.

Z

The slide as you're looking on your left sure uh in short on the left, we were doing an inspection.

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And exp early exploratory excavation rather further down. What is the asphalt line? Swale.

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Along medford road, there was a hole that had opened up that we want to check out. Do our.

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Due diligence on make sure it wasn't a more significant feature and we came across this.

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um This would have been late march. It's a very early breach in the pavement right at the outlet.

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Of a wing wall or an rcp 54-inch rcp at the intersection of medford and avondale road. So it's.

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Very close to both roadways and if you're thinking about that diagram, then while we would call this.

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An early collapse indicator think about the soils that have been raveling. They must have come close.

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To the surface that void, space migrated very close to the surface and that's what you're, seeing there.

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On the right, the moment we had permission to cut the pavement to explore this. You can see the large.

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Open void, that's formed underneath the wing wall there so also uh commissioners, I'll point out.

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At this time we routinely and that's what is in your packet. You have both a memorandum uh going.

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Way back to 1994 and a sinkhole report from 95. our team, our roads operations team routinely all.

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Over the county keep their eyes out for anything that might be suspicious and then anything that.

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Is suspicious zach puts on his list and we do regular and routine monitoring which, as you heard,.

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Him earlier, that's why we were out there that day, when we came across this, this starting of a whole.

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A quick continuation of those events so that same feature you were looking at there. We had excavated.

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Out just to explore, if it was something we could fix in-house, we found very um soft, loose, wet soils.

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Down to about 11 feet at this point, we determined we couldn't dig any further without putting our.

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Infrastructure at significant risks, so we refilled it with clay compacted. It did everything we could.

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To try to keep water up the new that we had to bring in an expert to do a very specialized.

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Type of repair that doug's going to talk about called compaction grouting but we'll get into.

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That a little bit later sure- and so we came back, we all met the team which includes everybody. I.

Z

Introduced- and we knew we had an issue, why do we have an issue? This area is in the area of a.

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Business, you all know as pfg, so it sees 24 7, 365, heavy truck traffic. In addition, our infrastructure.

Z

Which is that pipe that you see going under the road had already begun to shift and in fact we.

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Now know that there is significant cracking and shifting between two and four inches in that.

Z

Pipe so it's actually broken underneath, meaning that any water that was supposed to become coming.

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Through that pipe is now potentially contributing to additional broader sinkholes. So it's a public.

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Safety issue and seen as an emergency response, so we worked with procurement and and have begun to.

Z

Our emergency response at that point immediately this area also, if you're familiar, has a railroad.

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Track that runs uh probably less than 100 yards from the site that we're working on right now.

Z

uh Zach a little bit of history about uh this yeah sure this is uh actually a rather.

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Unfortunate instant, I'm sure most people in the room are familiar with and for those who.

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Haven't this, this was a long time ago. This was 1994. sinkhole fatalities across the country are.

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Relatively rare, despite the fact that there are numerous numerous sinkholes in numerous.

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States, unfortunately, we have had one here in carroll county. It occurred in april of 1994.

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It was on maryland route 31.. These pictures are going to be after an excavation was done to do.

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With permanent repair on the road, and just to give you the guys an idea of how much um what.

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The size of these can be like the costs associated with fixing them by today's dollars. This feature.

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Would have cost about 1.4 million to mitigate so that that is just to bring it around and I'm going.

Z

To show this, this was back uh before the use of compaction gravity grouting as much as it is used.

Z

Today, so what happened is once this failed? They got to the point of a 1.4 million dollar repair.

Z

What we've done on the emergency basis, while still not cheap, is try to prevent this type.

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Of thing from occurrence, and is exactly why we are treating it as as we are today and here before you.

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Couple other pictures sure the diagrams are nice. uh We can't always bring you guys out there. You.

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Are always more than welcome coming out anytime, we have a sinkhole if you're interested to see.

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What a repair looks like these are actually two very recent photos. um Both are going to be very.

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Close to our active project site here, the photo on the left is a sinkhole that opened up in that same.

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Swale maybe 115 feet from where we were actively mitigating these sinkholes. So sinkhole was 18 feet.

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In diameter 35 feet deep and what you're looking at here is. We were talking about those fractures.

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That widen as water moves through them through time again, not in our lifetime. This is what those.

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Features look like underground the same thing on the right. This is that very uneven bedrock surface.

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And you can see just how variable things are from foot to foot to give you a sense of scale between.

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The top and the bottom of that rock there that's about 20 vertical feet in that photo. Okay, so our.

Z

Next next is going to be about one minute and a half. It's a very simple animated video from keller.

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North america, but I thought for you all and our viewing audience it would allow them to see what.

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Has going on in order to prevent a catastrophic failure, I'm hoping it works you there we go.

Z

So again, no sound meant to be with this. This is just um that now. You'll you'll know that we.

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Notice the surface depression. It wasn't as big as that, but what they're showing here is they they.

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Would then smooth that out? Our compaction grouting, which is done by drill, comes in.

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Which is what we have done here and then they do what is referred to as cap grouting or they.

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They stabilize the surface below the surface and then injecting up again brings more stabilization.

Z

The problem is, or um is that the well, not necessarily the problem? The issue is, is that.

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When you find these voids, they really don't know exactly how much grout any void will take until.

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They get down in there and begin to fill it and we we don't know the end results of the grout.

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Yet we do have a rough idea on cost today, but we'll be back before you within the next week.

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Or so, with the final cost seeking your approval. Unfortunately, after the event, because that's the.

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Only way we can deal with this in order to fix the problem before it got worse um on on that.

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Final one, so again, this is just showing that they attack it from three things and, as you can see at.

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The bottom, they have completely filled the void and blocked where the water table was so they.

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Have capped it off and brought stabilization to the surface, and that's where we go with that one.

Z

So with that, that's all the slides that we had to present to you again. We have.

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The whole team here for uh questions and answers and anything that we can do to.

Z

To answer anything that you may have, I appreciate it. A lot of information.

A

um Zach, are you a hydrogeologist or an engineer by trade or hydrogeologist? Okay,.

C

um So if our citizens happen to see something who do they get in touch with, if they happen to.

C

Notice something unusual or out of the ordinary, so they they come in a lot of ways. We do get.

Z

Calls throughout the year some will come in through the 9-1-1 center they'll call they'll.

Z

Generally get reported to the department of public works, we have a standard operating procedure that.

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If they call roads operations, we also work and coordinate with zach and landon resource.

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Management so anywhere you call so you can call land and resource management roads operations if.

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You make us aware of it, we will all communicate together and get out to investigate and we have.

Z

The ability we had just recently worked together on a 24 7 response policy, some of our material.

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That we need we, we try to stock in-house again if it is within the zone of influence for martin.

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Marietta, they have been very good to work with us, so if we need large, fill or other large equipment.

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To bring it out, they will do that and then we will work to to make sure it's safe again.

Z

And I I want to to bring to your attention in this case as we've explored it.

Z

There actually are four areas uh out there in the, but only two. We consider to be emergency because.

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They're directly under the road, the other two are actually areas that are mode and maintained by.

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Remote roads operations we've worked with roads operations. We have defined what those areas are.

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And we're going to keep our people off of them those areas we will likely be able to go back.

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With and handle the old school way big tools, big trackhoe, which we've got or a great all, where we.

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Can go down, look for the throat of the sinkhole and then repair it coming up to the surface as.

Z

Zach mentioned earlier that picture that you saw from just a hundred feet down that was handled by.

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County staff uh and zach being on site we've also handled those right here in the arc of carroll.

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County in westminster, we had another one. Where the ark contacted us, we were able to go out, manage.

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The sinkhole that was directly adjacent to their parking lot and and deal with that in an in-house.

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Maneuver, which then is just time and material this one like I said. Unfortunately, we do not have.

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The the equipment necessary to handle this in fact most places. Don't they end up contracting with the.

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Geotechnical firms to come in and handle it from there. Thank you now, the geotechnical firm for now.

D

This is just investigation. This is just the first step or does this include the repair so.

Z

The investigation was under the the earmark and we did that. First, the reason that we're coming before.

Z

You is as soon as we found out at the end of july what the investigation showed. We were extremely.

Z

Concerned and asked them to mobilize this was the first date that we could get before you to. Let you.

Z

Know about this emergency repair and I don't have a final number, but I do have a tentative.

Z

Number and frankly, we are probably looking in the 180 to 190 000 range. At this point we have.

Z

Worked again with procurement and within budget, but uh to my knowledge, exactly can correct me if.

Z

I'm wrong the repair or their drill work on the two sites we told them was completed yesterday.

Z

Afternoon so so we are there. We are just waiting on the final wrap which you would be familiar.

Z

With sir and others, maybe we're waiting on their grout counts, so we need to know what their grout.

Z

Counts are so that they can tabulate their final bill, the most expensive and unknown thing. When I.

Z

Speak of grout is that we had one hole that I believe took and the best way I can put it.

Z

Is seven full concrete trucks of grout to fill? That's how big the void was under the road wow.

Z

um Now keep in mind, I just mentioned a big number: I'm not going to allude that to anybody which was.

Z

That hundred and eighty hundred ninety thousand, but it is much cheaper than 1.4 million if we.

Z

Go to collapse, lose our infrastructure, have any injuries or any anything else happen. So.

Z

We're trying to stay ahead of it, but certainly a broader discussion that this just may be the tip.

Z

Of what we need to come back and discuss with you all in the future about looking.

Z

You know looking at these areas and making sure that that we are where we need to be.

D

And you mentioned 1994 cinco in route 31. Was that the one that the van ran into it is that's.

Z

Correct and that's very near happens, if you don't, that is yes. I personally in my my career prior to.

Z

Here dealt with the fatality in frederick as well as zach said they are rare, but unfortunately, when.

Z

These things happen typically, a sinkhole will open at night in the darkness, and someone drives off.

Z

Into a large area, it is, you all have been out there. I'm sure there's no secret, that right in.

Z

This area we're working tractor trailers park on both sides of that overnight and.

Z

When you're talking only 15 feet of clay, which we know now from drilling, that might have been.

Z

Above it, this could have happened at any time and and what happens when it is a state highway.

D

Then there's coordination between county state and martin marietta or whoever happened, stone.

D

The quarry at that time, correct yep and we all we do coordinate together and in fact, zach has.

Z

Rolled in on the state is actually working, another large hole right now. It isn't in the roadway, but.

Z

They are already working and coordinating at this moment between all three agencies.

A

Thank you good questions, any other questions comments. A lot of information appreciate all.

A

That you're doing, thank you very much. Thank you and we'll be back before you and again.

Z

uh We appreciate your time and attention today. Thank you, commissioner. Thank you have a good day.

A

Okay: let's talk about microwave radio replacement and upgrades.

AB

Good morning, good morning, good morning,.

AB

um The office of procurement, in cooperation with the department of public safety safety requests.

AB

Your approval to upgrade the microwave network portion of the county's astro 25 public safety.

AB

Radio system, with motorola solutions incorporated in the amount of one million eight hundred twenty.

AB

Five thousand dollars: eight hundred and twenty five thousand two hundred eighty three dollars.

AB

The upgrade will include new nokia microwave network equipment, along with necessary engineering.

AB

Testing project management, site development and installation, motorola solutions was awarded a.

AB

State of maryland contract, this amount is approved in the fiscal year 24 budget and no additional.

AB

Funds should be required. You know good morning, commissioners, once again good morning again.

G

Since its initial creation, the carroll county's digital 800, megahertz public safety, radio system.

G

Has been continuously updated to make sure that the system remains current. The current.

G

Microwave network, that is an essential component of the radio system, is nearing.

G

End of life and does require replacement. This is the second phase of the two-phase public.

G

Safety, radio circuit and microwave network replacement project, that is in the cip.

G

The first phase was completed in fiscal year, 23 that provided funding for the required conversion.

G

Of t1 circuits to uh to ethernet circuits in order to be able to continue to maintain the.

G

Updates for the for the system, this second phase this year will provide funding for replacement.

G

Of the microwave network, components of the radio system, their nearing end of life and support and.

G

We do need to replace them. The proposed project does include all of the necessary engineering.

G

Testing project management, site development, installation of the microwave radios, the power.

G

Supplies and the batteries at the 12 sites that constitute the microwave portion of the system.

G

Now the anticipated project completion is july of 2024, and the proposed cost is significantly.

G

Under the budgeted amount, but one thing I would say is the proposed cost is based on.

G

No issues being found with the current radio, the current microwave radio network, that is.

G

Supporting our radio system part of the process here is, we have to do basically line of sight.

G

For them for the microwave network, if there's any trees in the way, for example, that is causing any.

G

Degradation in the signal they need to be taken. Care of that does not that's not reflected in.

G

This proposal there's no way that it can be until the evaluation is done of the system, so.

G

uh This cost um is without any of those possible contingencies in included.

G

The current system does work with no identified issues, so this is in a lot of ways, a proactive.

G

Measure but it is a necessary measure. We do need to stay ahead of technology.

G

As much as we can and be proactive to ensure that the system continues to.

G

Operate as effectively as it needs to for all of the agencies that use it every day,.

C

That makes perfect sense. What are you doing with the old system.

G

The old radios- that's actually a very good question. I don't need to find out for sure.

G

They are no longer supported, so you know we can certainly work to identify any possible.

G

Cost recovery, if there is any um I I honestly don't know the the true answer to that question.

A

I would think it would be significant the cost of the radios themselves for this particular.

G

Project is about five hundred thousand dollars, so I don't know what the true value is of the 10 year.

G

Old microwave radios right now that are going to be coming out. But that is something that we.

G

Will investigate to make sure that we're getting any cost recovery that we possibly can absolutely.

C

Motion to approve the upgrade services for the astro 25 radio system to motorola solutions.

C

Incorporated in the amount of 1 million 825 283 dollars. Second, I have a motion. Please um do you.

D

Know offhand how much this is under budget. uh The budget amount is 2.8 million dollars. Okay, wow.

S

She gets to keep the million she's safe yeah, so so how did very motivated because she's saving? Yes.

D

Yes, yes, no, that was, uh I thought for sure. That would be great rosstein would say something I.

A

Know so so how I use in shock he's in shock yeah, I mean the the original number that was utilized.

G

To to develop the project was a budget number uh from motorola, um and once they have an opportunity.

G

To actually do to create the more detailed proposal, um that's when the the actual number.

G

Comes in for the proposal, I love spending less. I love spending other people's money, even better.

A

But I do like to spend less and the the first phase came in under budget as well: fantastic, okay,.

A

Any other discussion just remember that next time when she comes in and something's over budget.

S

We'll try to avoid that. We will absolutely try to avoid that seen here. None and rudely.

A

Interrupted by our cao, no I'm kidding uh all in favor aye. Thank you ma'am. Thank you very much.

A

uh Let's talk about adobe subscription.

A

Contract renewal.

A

Ryan you're one for one: don't mess it up I'll. Try not to that number. Threw me off.

AB

A little bit last time, the office of procurement and cooperation with the.

AB

Department of technology services request your approval to award the renewal of the.

AB

Adobe subscriptions to dell in the amount of twenty seven thousand four hundred and.

AB

Nineteen dollars and four cents this purchase is being made through the maryland state contract.

AB

um This purchase amount is within the adopted budget, and no additional funds should be necessary.

A

Was made through the cuts contract off the shelf? You told me not to mess it up, but I went about.

AB

It anyways I'm sorry well, because that that's a that's an important part of this is cuts. Yes, okay,.

A

um Yeah: okay, go ahead um good morning. uh Adobe is used throughout the county to edit organize.

AC

And sign documents it is also the standard product used for commonly shared fill-in forms.

C

I use it in my own employment, adobe programs that are phenomenal and they do a lot.

A

This is uh annual subscription, there's no multi-year potential, there's no savings.

AD

With a multi-year contract, we checked on that yeah.

C

Yeah they're not too nice about that army they're, not too nice about that. I always.

C

Do the same thing, I always figure, I think we're down to like one or two companies now that'll do.

AD

Multi-Year with any kind of savings they've just all right kind of dried up, but we do check every.

AD

Time, commissioner, no, I appreciate it. Okay motion to award the renewal of the adobe subscriptions.

C

To dell, in the amount of twenty seven thousand four hundred nineteen dollars and four cents.

A

Second, I got a motion. I got a second any discussion on this one seen here and.

A

Done all in favor all right. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you very much, brian uh okay. Now.

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Let's talk about cc visa reimbursement for one time for diesel fuel expenditures incurred during.

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Fiscal year 23. good morning to you both good morning, so that 20 minutes left till noon. Okay,.

R

uh Good morning um in fy 23 there were multiple fluctuations in diesel fuel costs that were.

R

Unanticipated within the approved cc visa budget and the volunteer fire company allocations for.

R

Fuel these additional costs are delineated by volunteer fire companies individually, as listed.

R

On your sheet, the total amount is 66 000, uh ninety six dollars and 23 cents. As of the beginning of.

R

Fy 24 we have centralized all fuel allocation and purchasing under the department of fire and ems, so.

R

In other words, the companies are still receiving allotments, but we are now managing the funding.

R

Of that, and what that's allowed us to do is a lot of these costs that were incurred will now.

R

Be offset because we've combined and gotten lower prices we've also introduce the county's fuelman.

R

Card system, where applicable and we're working directly with um fleet management on a regular.

R

Basis to try to reel in on these costs, but a lot of these, um given the the price of crude oil, were.

R

Unforeseeable and the totals are provided and uh susan is here and has documentation from each of.

R

The companies so I'll turn it over to susan. If you have any questions good morning, gentlemen, I.

AE

Do have copies of tim, if I could ask you to pass it around. This is from the specific companies.

AE

Themselves to document their shortfall during the budget because of the fact that the fuel costs.

AE

Were not anywhere near what they thought they were going to be when we initially did our budget.

C

So if I may ask um and again, if I'm maybe I'm just missing something, what.

C

What accounts for manchester, coming in so low versus the other companies.

AE

Calls volume of the vehicles that are being used and whether or not they.

AE

Projected better than everybody else gotcha. Thank you very much.

F

So is it fair to say that these are the only companies that are in this situation? We're not.

AE

Correct: okay, yes, so they're we're not waiting to get information, some other okay! Thank you.

C

Motion to approve the reimbursement of the additional funds, as noted.

C

Expended beyond the fy 23 budget by member companies of cc visa, second.

A

I have a motion. I have a second any discussion on this.

A

Senior none all in favor aye. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much and, ladies.

B

A

Chris, do we have anybody on the phone? No sir, we do not. Okay.

A

What's this request for public hearing ordinance change.

A

um I have this in my book regarding chapter 158. As it says, september, 7th is the date on that.

A

It should not be here. No remember the board asked for.

S

um Information in advance for any upcoming public hearings- that's probably that's it. Okay,.

A

So I'm so I'm sharing that. No just it's just for your information. If you have questions yeah, okay,.

A

Okay: okay, thank you roberta anything for open admin. Mr burke, no sir, we may have a public.

S

Comment, what's that I don't know, if the is anybody here, do you have a open public comment? Ma'am amber.

A

Here for the public- yes, I mean no, not at this time. Oh no! Okay, that's right! One to one! You come on up.

C

Good morning wanda, how are you today good morning, okay, monday september, 4th offices.

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Are closed once again reminder schools open september 5th, please be aware of.

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The laws that are governed in keeping our children safe as they go on and off the buses.

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You know it can be sometimes complicated, so ensure we understand them and keep our.

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Kids, safe also kids riding to school. Excuse me bicycling to school as well, and ask parents to.

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Continue to share with their children um how to ensure that they're, safe and best of luck to all.

A

Kids, entering into their grades on tuesday wednesday is a opioid senior policy group.

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Commissioner, karen will be attending at the health department. On thursday. We go into open session.

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um Let's see priority carroll, the library is going to be coming in to share some news and thoughts and.

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A couple proclamations, then we go into group. Flexible spending account administration for.

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Employees of carroll county government miss bixler from hr to come and talk to us. She'll stay in here.

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Talk about group, dental benefits for employees and retirees of carroll, county government and we're.

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Going to keep her here to talk about fy, 24 health and dental insurance, employee contribution dates.

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um Zoning text amendment regarding drug treatment facilities, mr hein, will be.

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Navigating us through that, then mr ripper will be talking about stats of broadband internet services.

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And its expansion in carroll county will keep him in a hot seat to talk about geographic information.

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Systems software maintenance and support and then we'll have miss carol talk about.

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Reported in place, playground surfacing maintenance at the reckon, parks um and.

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Then we'll it's all about purchasing a raptor, rp1 radar units isn't a raptor.

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Like a prehistoric, animal or something, you know with long gnarly, yeah exactly okay, I don't know.

A

um And then we'll talk about some purchasing, potentially seven ford, f-series trucks.

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um And then john deere 850 l is in lima crawler dozer. [music] I expect pictures to be shown with.

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These as well friday, we have nothing scheduled saturday, is out of the darkness, suicide prevention.

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um Walk down wood buying, commissioner garen is scheduled to attend.

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And then sunday I have the podcast on monday september, 11th.

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um There'll be a memorial ceremony for 911, held at the pstc right. The training.

S

Center- and uh I know I will be attending or any of my other colleagues attending.

A

That observer attendance I'll be there. So, commissioner, gordon what time is that it's.

C

I'll go: okay, okay, so and kenny you're going yes, okay and that's september 11th 8 a.m. I was asked.

A

To share some remarks- and I know we're all going to be laying a wreath uh during that ceremony.

A

um At 3 p.m: there's a transit advisory council, commissioner kyler is participating in on tuesday.

A

At 7 pm, there's ag board meeting on the 12th that I will be attending on wednesday. The 13th senior.

A

uh On the go expo one two, three four: all five of us will be in attendance uh all on the go.

A

It's it's a great event um and I mean a lot a lot of work put into it and a really really good event.

A

Yeah, I'm not sure what I can do. I do not want to miss the opioid prevention coalition meeting.

D

The expo is an all-day event yeah, so you don't have to be. I probably won't be there till noon.

A

Maybe and yeah generally at least one board member does some opening remarks um at nine. I.

S

Unless wanda do you know, I mean, because I would think it would be, commissioner kyler being as.

A

Old as he is, but um but usually it's just brief, you know it's like two minutes on the board. He.

A

Would only speak brief because he is old and he wouldn't remember no. Oh, my gosh, I'm just saying.

D

Fellow prompt her that I can't read it anyway, we'll find out and we'll figure that one out.

A

um So celine, I'm sure you're listening you're over a sandbag.

A

Oh I've done that it's one of my pants. Oh it's horrible in kosovo, oh yeah, no.

D

um It's still morning, keep keep going. I know ag board meeting wait. I did that.

A

Already senior expo opioid farm museum board meeting. uh Typically it's a commissioner.

A

Bigliadi's attending that again the expo is in all day, so you can go from one yeah. I I.

C

Intend to be at both so I'll, probably yeah, yeah I'll figure it out, but yeah I'll give you both.

A

Thursday september 14th a we have open session uh environmental advisory council work plan.

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Come to us and then uh talk about a grant approval to submit application acceptance of award for the.

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Federal 2023 continuum of care from dcs request for public hearing and grant approval to develop.

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Community development of development block grant cdbg again it'll be round two from dcs and right.

A

Now, that's all we have scheduled for that morning at 6 pm we have the state highway administration.

A

That we'll be talking about highways, 140 and 91, and it was asked by outsiders if we were.

A

All aware of this- and we are all aware of this- uh you know work and I believe.

A

Commissioner, kyler will be attending um that I don't know if others will be attending that as.

A

Well, wanda, you can add me to that for attending friday, nothing scheduled on the 15th or 16th on.

A

Saturday, commissioner vigliotti has the podcast on sunday. There's a horse show ride for responders.

A

Down at the equestrian center in mount airy, commissioner garen will be attending.

A

I thought I do want to okay. Yes, um what I need is.

C

Motion to a journey going to close okay I'll handle that or land acquisition.

A

For land acquisition finish that part so moved.

A

Okay, is there a second on that? Second sounds good. All in favor, aye.