Carroll County, MD Board of License Commissioners, 8 Feb 2023

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Back in session yep we're gonna jump ahead. Mr joe hansen, well, my.

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Girl is not going to be here until 2 15. in the hearing at 2, 15. yeah.

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Yeah, I'm going to be here at 2 15., I'm sorry but she's. My main player.

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We're just we're just early everything I have here has your name on it.

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Dave johansson.

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Got your name on it. That's commander, johansen,.

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Is that okay, we're talking we're talking about main street in westminster on the.

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Other side of the tracks you own the whole, damn block, so we need the bank must be you.

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Is that okay? Can we wait till she gets here? Yes, sir, I didn't know you was bringing somebody else.

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Well, jen market tower is here so I mean.

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That's a two: that's a two o'clock case fish market.

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Here we go wait; another five minutes for two o'clock for that.

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Sarah's gonna bring with her is a request for joe hansen's to participate in on the main street.

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Strolls and festivals and who signed it? I don't know because I don't have it yet. I always get it.

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This year,.

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So you can make a decision on that now. If you want.

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Well, apparently, he's not up to snuff.

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However, just as a point of information.

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And you may not be able to answer this, but you're involved come on up dave wreck back before covid.

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When you were doing covet, when you're allowed to open up outside, yes got any plans for that.

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In the future, I did not right now. I we need to have the microphone. Oh I'm sorry, the.

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I mean we can't get the help, uh I'm just curious, I you know, because we're waiting.

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For five minutes yeah right now we don't have any intentions of doing it. If, if we do do anything.

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And it seems to work in some places to where you might put two seats with the board's permission.

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Out front or something, but I I don't see it right now I mean it's just. I was just curious because.

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We went to all that trouble. I sure I sure did doing all that stuff and, of course,.

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Nobody did and I could be understandable, but I didn't know whether you might have.

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Any future plans, my wife said: she'd kill me if I opened that up so yeah. It's it's a challenge.

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Okay, what's that clocked out over there uh about two minutes still well,.

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We can have the case called.

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And get the formalities out of the way and by that time it'll be two o'clock.

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So if mr dixon reads slow.

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Ask him to call case six, four, two: eight. What do we appreciate.

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All right, continuation of case 6428, an application for a new class d, beer and wine license to be.

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Issued to jennifer m elliott for the use of market tavern, llc trading is finch market.

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27 east baltimore street taneytown maryland 21787 election district one. The five was already entered.

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Into evidence that the former hearing, all the documents that were asked to be uh presented.

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Are in the file now, so I will pass the file down with the new documents uh at the front.

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With that, all those who intend to testify in this case, please stand raise your right hand, be sworn in.

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The testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing about the truth.

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And, as you testify, please begin by stating your name and address for the record. Please.

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Good afternoon everyone jennifer elliott, 9 york street taneytown, maryland 21787.

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Oh we're aware of some of the information documents so on and so forth that we're.

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Missing or incomplete at your last hearing, that's my understanding from.

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Ms vance, that they have been corrected and completed is that correct.

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And briefly tell us again why you want.

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This class d, beer and wine license. Of course, um I recently opened finch market in tawny.

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Town moving my sykesville operation up there, I'm looking forward to helping to.

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Grow the main street historic district there finch market specializes in gourmet foods.

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Local specialty, locally food, local foods like cheese chips and peanuts, and spices and cooking.

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Needs and different items that are not sold in typical grocery stores, and we also offer.

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Apparel and some bath and body goods, as well so to complete the offering I would like to be able.

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To sell beer and wine as well, it gives people a chance to come in and see the unique food items.

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As well as some of the smaller boutique wines that I like to choose and the specialty beers.

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Are you talking about alcohol since you have specialty items or other.

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Foods and drink and so forth, are you speaking about.

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Local maryland wines and beers, I will carry some some local options. Some of the maryland wines tend.

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To be a little bit more on the expensive side, so I will have some of that, but I'd like to offer.

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Some maybe harder to find international wines as well that hit a more affordable price point.

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What's the seating of your establishment.

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um There are, there are two lounge areas, um so it will see maybe 15 to 20 people, but.

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It's more of it will most likely be mostly to go alcohol sales to go with the the specialty foods.

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What were your hours operation be.

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um Wednesday and thursday 12 to 7.

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Friday and saturday 10 to 7 and friday, I'm I'm sorry sunday 10 to 5.

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Do you anticipate, I only have one other employee other than myself.

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And if I remember correctly one of the questions we had, you are the 100 percent. Yes, I am.

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Your tips are tam. Certified, I sure am, is your another employee? Also? Yes, yes,.

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Been operating since.

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Last fall I opened in november. Yes,.

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So when your father is now a single member operating agreement of market tavern, llc.

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Whereas before we had several owners, yes.

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Have the other owners seen this? Are they aware of this document? Yes,.

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Do you have any documentation to give us.

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That they're giving up their. I have tax documents that show their final k1 returns from 2021.

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How do we know it's a final k1 return now, there's a box that you check that.

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Sends it to the irs that shows that the partnership has terminated with those partners.

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You mean that they've left the llc correct.

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And you have a notified department of assessments and taxation that you're.

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The new resident agent correct- and that is officially in the system- yes,.

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Good idea, yeah.

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And the uh have you seen this.

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The um alcoholic beverages that you want to offer at finches market.

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They're in containers you're not you're, not going to set up a bar in mixed drinks. Are you no, I'm not.

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So will there be any consumption on premises um as the license allows? Yes, if somebody wanted to.

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Sit and have a beer, then, yes, I will sell bottles of wine. um So if somebody wants to enjoy a bottle.

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Of wine with a friend they can, if they want to have a glass of wine and take the rest home, then.

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We'll give them the proper bag and advise them how to store it in their car safely.

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Just beer and wine correct.

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um What are you, what are your thoughts on the beers that you might offer.

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Mostly local craft beers- because there are so many and we're fortunate in the.

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State of maryland to have such a good variety and very good ones, so.

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You know I already have relationships established so that will be kind of a no-brainer. For me.

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Okay, have you talked to 1623 brewery, of course, and brewery fire, my new neighbors and tony town right.

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All good friends of mine, good and you were describing.

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um Some international wines that you want to offer and these international wines are not.

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Available readily, I take it at class, a licensees around carroll county. So um what I mean by some.

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Of the unique wines that I'll be offering, it won't be what you're going to find at the local liquor.

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Stores the end cap, that's you know this winds on deal for 8.99 or what have you? I will try to find.

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um You know, maybe some spanish wines, that people don't know about, or you know even different.

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Parts of italy that people are less familiar with they're still affordable, they're kind of.

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Not secrets, of course, because anybody can buy them, the local liquor store could still buy them.

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They're, just probably not focused on the smaller boutique wines that I'm focused on right. Okay,.

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Okay, I think at the last hearing it was uh testified to that.

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You've been relieved of paying rent for the first six months there in an effort to get your.

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Business up and going yes who's, the landlord again, um the landlord is christina landsman.

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However, I have an investor that owns the lease with me. Okay, is that the gentleman who testified.

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About the um exemption for six months, yes, mr stevenson, he's on the lease with you: yes, okay,.

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As I recall, he is very involved in.

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Efforts to revitalize downtown tony town kind of that's correct, a little upscale revitalization.

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Lots of projects in the works he has lots of projects and works. Okay,.

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Okay, since we last saw you how's business, it's been picking up, yeah, definitely busier on.

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The weekends and not as much foot traffic in tawny town as we're used to in sykesville. But.

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Part of that is kind of the busier traffic flow on the street, but tiny town's, definitely up and.

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Coming we're definitely on the cusp of a growth yeah. I think the last hearing was made clear.

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That you're hoping to be part of that absolutely you have a vision. It's part of the fun yeah yeah.

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And your witnesses were very enthusiastic about you being we're having a girls night tonight in.

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Taneytown, so a lot of the local stores have partnered to do specials and do things for.

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The ladies and there's a workshop at the ryan dollar carriage house and then that'll end a.

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Little bit early so that everybody is encouraged to go, take advantage of the deals at the shops. I.

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Mean everybody who's, a girl, I mean you could come if you'd like to. We won't discriminate.

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So, just to cover a little bit of ground.

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The previous hearing you were involved in market tavern and sykesville when it opened correct.

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um You and your ex-spouse, yes, and you had a vision at that time. What market.

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Tavern would be, it was something different and new for main street sykesville and.

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I think it's pretty clear, at least from my experience and from the testimony that.

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You were successful, bring something new to the main street. Yes, and you wanted to.

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Translate that experience and that vision to main street tony town that's correct.

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And sometimes it wasn't totally clear at the last hearing, but I think what was happening was.

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You will have finches market and he also had an enterprise of mine at a different location.

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And you're going to call it market tavern, which would be a bigger. Yes, it will be a full restaurant.

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Okay, so you'll see me again later this year, all right: how far along are you on that project?.

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um Right now it's in full renovation mode, so new staircases are being moved basement.

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Renovation, new floors going down, so the owners of that building are doing some.

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Preliminary build out for it and there'll be market tavern, llc, we'll. uh If you get.

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A license there they'll be for the use of that llc. Yes, and will you be the so-owner of that? Yes,.

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I think that the testimony from the last hearing was that that's another amenity.

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That the uh the core group of people who are trying to revitalize downtown, especially.

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Especially that end of town- I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off- um that end of town- definitely.

H

Needs more food and drink options, okay, uh which end of town is that I'm not terribly familiar? I.

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Know where antrim is yes, so there's the square and the circle so market tavern would be on the.

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Square, so the circle is where the bowling alley, thunderhead and brewery as you enter town, is a.

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Circle you're talking about and then, as you get into town, there's antrum and then further up.

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Is finch and then market tavern 2.0 would be up on the corner of it'll, be at one york street so.

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Is finch currently operating as a gathering place for people, or is it just simply a gourmet market.

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Simply simply a store at this point. Yes, but with the beer and wine offering, we will probably have.

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People that may want to sit and gab a little bit. So you might add a few tables and chairs.

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And the inspectors have all been in the fire inspector plumbing.

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Electrical and they're all they all like the layout and how everything looks good.

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And you live in tony town now I sure do.

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You had two other witnesses.

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At the last hearing mark stevenson and mark is here today with me: okay,.

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uh Christopher tillman was he one of the witnesses? Is he here as well or just mark just mark okay,.

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And jay mishley misi, who we just saw a little while ago, yes,.

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uh He's not here for this hearing he's not yeah. I told him the wrong time. He.

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Asked what time I thought it was 2 45, I told I gave him the wrong time by mistake.

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Hell he wanted to be here. He wants to be here, he game wrong time. Did it go back to tiny town.

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Or is he or is it at the watering hole down here and say I thought there was a schedule for 2 45. I.

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Messed up: okay! Well, that's what he said he was going to johansson's if he could get in there.

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But there's nobody there they're all here. So I don't know.

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The workers are there, just the management's here.

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So you said, mark stevenson is here: are you going to ask him to provide further testimony or is.

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He just available to the board for questions he's available. If you guys have any questions.

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He did not get this morning, I know he did not get sworn in.

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This time, the only person who sworn in with sir okay.

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Is mr tillman associated with the chamber of commerce in toneytown? Yes,.

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And he's the owner of george's bed and breakfast or george, is on york.

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I got the impression there's a core group of entrepreneurs in tony town who are.

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Who know each other and they're trying to, I guess, do main street thai town? What has been done in.

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Other small towns in maryland, like sykesville for instance, which you were a part of yes.

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um And the witnesses you had last week.

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Seem to be part of that group of people who are putting their money where their.

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Mouth is they're, absolutely working on improving properties and working on getting.

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Businesses there, yes, so mr tillman and mr stevenson are a big part of that and then.

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Of course, jamie she is part of the economic development for the city of taneytown right.

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So we're all in it together, yeah it's it's.

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Seems, like you, have a group vision where you want to go and absolutely recall the testimony.

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Last time was that you're considered part of that in their minds. Yes, and in your mind, yes,.

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You have any questions. I do not.

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So, based upon testimony that you have given.

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In december of as well as here that your primary.

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Objective in this establishment is kind of specialty items, so when I think of alcoholic.

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Beverages of specialty items- I don't think of budweiser and coors, and things like that.

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Establishment in mount airy comes to mind with very similar goals is what you have expressed.

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And, along with their specialty food items,.

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They have special local maryland beers and wines, and so on so forth,.

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And are not interested in budweiser or coors or.

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In the old days, dave.

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Oh bow, gunther, gunthers export so forth. So that's.

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Your mission for this, what is it finch markets? That's correct,.

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From other testimony from.

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Witnesses and so on and so forth felt that this is a needed type of.

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Store, whatever you want to call it, the boutique specialty shop in tawny, town.

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With that, is there any other questions.

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I would um offer elliott the chance to respond to any.

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Concerns that were expressed at the last hearing.

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If you want to address any of them, they were brought up, of course, use some are concerning.

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Especially concerning the source from aaron specter, who who's opinion, we value.

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But, on the other hand, we're going forward we're looking forward, and so I would ask.

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If he's something you want to do to how many concerns we might have, of course, about any of.

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Those issues, particularly one, would be the drinking while on duty, even though our rule.

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Allows a licensee or employee to drink when not on duty. The rule has a qualifier while on duty.

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I don't necessarily subscribe to the opinion, although I understand it that every owner is.

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Always on duty, when they're in their establishment in a way that's true, but on the other hand, I've.

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Known owners of restaurants to be sitting down with their family having a meal, a glass of wine.

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And I don't think they're in violation of our rule, because I would say that maybe not on duty.

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But that is a concern it was raised um and I speak for myself and perhaps others going forward.

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uh What would you say to us about that concern? Of course, that particular concern.

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um I was having a mark. I was national. Margarita day I was having a margarita with my boyfriend.

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When he got off from work, I was not technically working. I was there at my establishment, of course,.

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But when you employ people and they go through the training and you've trained them to do a job.

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I feel that you need to trust them to do a job, and I don't recall if that was a tuesday or a.

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Wednesday evening, but obviously the same thing wouldn't be happening on a busier night, where.

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I would be there, you know a little bit in a relaxed fashion. I was not drunk. I do not do.

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That, when I'm in my establishment, um I would say that I'm going forward going forward going forward.

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um I will not drink while I am working, you know now tastings and things when reps come in aside.

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But doing that responsibly and certainly setting a better example for my staff staff of one right now.

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But going forward down the road, um you know making sure things are outlined as far as what I do and.

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What they're expect expected to do? I would say for the record that you were never charged under our.

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Rules for drinking uh wow, you know while working well. It was an observation that was made and it.

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Could be concerning so I I appreciate your response and, and I completely accepted thank you.

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Yeah any other questions. No, I don't.

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With that said,.

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Dr benford, do you have any comments? I do not. There are no other testimony and evidence.

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Is now closed and we will hear any closing comments or remarks so.

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Silly do you have anything to do? I just appreciate the opportunity to come this afternoon and finish.

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Up the case and the opportunity to again look at the future of tawny, town and the growth of tawny.

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Town that I'm excited to be a part of, so thank you, respect to rent for any closing comments. I do not.

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Testimony is now closed and this board will deliberate the merits of the case.

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And issue a recommendation.

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Mr chairman, to start off the discussion, the merits of the case.

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I went back and looked at the video of the hearing to refresh my memory of some of the testimony.

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uh I think that we we can agree that you finch's market, qualifies under our definition of a class.

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D establishment that your specialty of boutique type of uh establishment.

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Several witnesses that you had testify on your behalf were pretty compelling.

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And they testified on your behalf with enthusiasm, jay mishi, who was here earlier.

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The economic development director for tony town, as well as a manager for main street tony town.

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He testified forcefully for you and not just you as a applicant but or a prospective licensee, but I.

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Also, the vision that you would bring to the economic development of tony town.

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Which you know we briefly discussed earlier. um He said that the town.

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Through the economic development department and main street tony town supports your application.

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uh Encourages the approval of off-premise sale.

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He thought you would be beneficial addition to the town, both personally and as a business woman.

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The finch market concept he testified brings a selection of gourmet groceries.

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To downtown tony town offerings that will be beneficial to the residents and to visitors.

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um He testified also, on behalf of the town, he's confident that miss elliott, personally, as the.

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Operator of the establishment- oh we'll, do a very good job and will not abuse sales of alcohol.

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He interviewed you several times, believes you're a person of good character.

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um Now, that's pretty weighty testimony on your behalf, I think of basically.

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The testimony that we received was in two parts, your vision, economic vision,.

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For the town to develop the town, but also you personally, yeah and uh and he was strongly.

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In support of you on both counts, uh and then you know, we mentioned uh two other gentlemen testified.

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Basically said similar things and they're, as far as I could see, they're stakeholders in a success.

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Of main street tony town, they have money that they're putting out investing in it and they see.

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You as someone who can help them achieve what tony town is looking for to revitalize an upscale way.

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Your main street, so that is all very that was all very compelling to me and uh when I.

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Was listening to your testimony, I was I'm sorry when I was listening to your presentation. Your.

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Witnesses, I'm thinking to myself, uh there's mr mishi now I was thinking to myself that.

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This is very clear. You know this is very clearly a case where this lady is going to do a great.

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Job is a very good character and is going to do well and that we should certainly grant it. But.

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Then we had some testimony that raised some concerns. um You've addressed the big concern.

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I think, in my mind properly as far as the other issues that were raised, those concerns.

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Prior hearings, when you were in down to sykesville, it has come to our attention that there's been.

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Some challenges that have been presented to you than your life, some personal challenges and a.

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Family sense but uh health challenges, and then you have covert. You have economic challenges and.

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um There are obstacles and sometimes.

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Small business owners, people, people and families when they're presented with those kind of.

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Challenges sometimes they take steps that others would call a misstep, and perhaps you did at times.

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But I think that you have overcome there's challenges and I for one I am very happy to.

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See you get a second chance and to show that you are going to succeed in this new endeavor, and I.

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Think that you'll be a great asset to tony town, because I remember you were in sykesville.

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Those are my comments, uh mr chairman um uh cha mishius, as shown up, so it's like this would be.

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Your call, if you want to, I, don't think it's necessary for him. He's already testified. He's.

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Back there for support and we apologize for the incorrect information given you, but uh I think.

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Your testimony here this morning uh indicates the support of the town and so on and so forth.

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So I don't think it's necessary that he repeat over what he said this morning and in december.

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So many you have any comments. I I just wanted to reiterate what commissioner barnhart said. I.

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I commend you for being diligent and running a small business in this county. I've been.

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There and done that and it's challenging at times and and I'm glad to see you persevere.

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um That being said, I would be ready to make a motion if the chairman.

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Chair with entertain the motion, I move that, on the continuation case of of case number 6428 that we.

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Approve the application for a class d, beer and wine license to be issued to jennifer elliott.

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I second that motion. Mr chairman, a motion has been made and seconded that we approve case 6428, which.

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Is an application for a new class d beer and wine license to be issued to jennifer m elliott for the.

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Use of market tavern, llc trading as finch market 27, east baltimore street tony town, maryland, 21787.

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Is there any discussion or further discussion on the motion.

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Hearing none call those in favor signify by saying aye aye opposed no, so order. Congratulations, miss.

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Elliott, we wish you much success and hope that you are one of the things few specialty shops.

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For this type of license throughout the the county, to my knowledge and wish you the best in tony town,.

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And certainly tony town's, revitalization. Thank you. There are projects up there.

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Thank you very much. You guys are all welcome to visit. You know that uh our office and staff is.

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Always available for any comments or questions that you might have any signage or any think.

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That we may provide is available to you, but that congratulations and best wishes. Thank you.

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I have no more uh official.

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Diet, business on the docket right with that we will go back into our business meeting.

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Mr johansen has had time to collect his thoughts.

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Foreign, as you know, the reason that we ask you to stop by here today.

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Is annually we review the dui reports that are received and given to us by the various.

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Law enforcement agencies and I see from 2022 there were 11.

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Incidences that we know of where supposedly customers came from your establishment.

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And were charged with dui reports now.

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The reports show uh basically about 80 percent of them are under the age of.

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25 or 27., and they all occur on the weekends and the average blood alcohol content was 0.15.

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Which is nearly double the limit now I I don't know.

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You know if I drank two beers: I'd probably be under the influence because I don't drink beer.

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That much but who knows, and what just tell us, if you will, what your bartenders and and.

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Employees are instructed, as far as serving alcoholic beverages and what to look for.

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When you feel that, uh and when do you look forward to see that they may be a little tipsy.

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Well, first thing I want to say is that we came up with a close uh figure here about 65 percent.

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Of our people are tam certified we have mr benfer here want to know how many were gonna.

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Appeared the next uh cam certification, that's going to be nine.

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um That's my lord. I was told that was for my lord's nine from our lords and nine from.

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Johansen's, I I don't have no lauren's names. Yeah cody, just got them for me on monday. Is that nine.

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Total or 18. 18 total, okay, all right nine from each each establishment right. I just need those.

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Names cody has them. Basically, our bartenders is, you know we run two different kind of atmospheres.

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One is more, restaurant upstairs and bar and downstairs is more of a nightclub atmosphere.

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uh We she can definitely tell you, we deny service all the time to people coming in intoxicated.

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If we see people that become intoxicated on their way to being intoxicated, that's hard to.

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Say but definitely you can spot them when they are intoxicated they got to go and what we ordinarily.

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Try to do is get somebody figure out who their leader is with their group and say: hey, listen,.

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This guy's got to go. Take them home. Now, there's been certain instances that western city police.

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Department knows about sarah knows about that: we've taken keys away from people uh police. I.

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Had to give them a lot of credit, we we have new leadership there and they're doing very, very well.

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um They're, actually, instead of waiting for somebody to get in their car they're, actually.

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Going up to the car and say you hey, you're, not driving, are you stay the police yeah? You know.

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I mean it's almost like the old days. You know they they say hey. You know, I saw you walk out.

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There you're acting goofy this and that blah blah I can't drive well. Is this something I'm sorry.

F

Dave is this something new? I think the police are got different training now. I think in general.

B

They're getting different training. I noticed that starting covid during covet is when I noticed it.

J

Okay, so so they they were doing that during the time of this accumulation of okay and and.

B

One of the things is, you know and there's one police officer there. It is.

B

Not on my special guest list, but he's actually come around uh and he's actually told the guy.

B

You're not driving I'm sitting right across the parking lot. If you get your car, I'm gonna lock.

B

You up: what's the guy, do she tries to get the keys from them? Guy gets in his car, this police officer.

B

Is less than 100 feet away? He gets in his car and goes down the road. Well, they got him right in the.

B

Parking lot, so that's one of the guys on here today, yeah there's, like probably three or four.

C

Off top of the head, I've been told not to drive and buy a police and they've turned around and.

C

Drift and you just drive, but they were coming out of johanssons. Yes, you know so I mean the point is.

B

We try the best we can possibly do because number one is, you don't need somebody killed.

B

Or you don't need some kind of major issue. Okay, I mean, but a lot of these people you just can't.

B

Can't communicate with, and there are a lot a lot of people with johansson's to walk there.

B

I mean there's a lot of people that walk there, because we can be busy in this parking officer.

B

A parking lots are empty, so we know that they're walking there, which is a good thing for us, but.

B

It's it's a situation, I I don't have any excuses uh uh other than you know. We try the best that we.

B

Can? Because you know we don't want the liability, we don't want the headache that comes along with.

B

It even though I like seeing you guys, but I don't need to see you and and uh and it's what we do and.

B

One of the things that uh that cut, my doorman have said to me: is you can't fix dumb.

B

Just can't do it, I mean you can't fix people that are going to do whatever they want to do period. I.

B

Mean in as far as control goes, you know I want to use, and this is nothing derogatory about any.

B

Agency or anything, but if you read the paper the other day you had somebody that was 40 feet away.

B

From the main entrance at a health department od in the bathroom.

B

How could they stop that can't stop it.

B

It's almost the same way with us. You know they they pre-game before they get there. They're fine.

B

Next thing you know, you don't know if they're taking pills, you know they're getting high, you.

B

Know and getting high is another big thing, because what they do is they have a couple of drinks.

B

That they may be over the limit, but they would not show being over the limit.

B

Unless they get high in the parking lot or high in the corner or whatever and then getting a car.

B

And drive down the road, I mean it's as simple as that, and I've got guys to tell me all the time.

B

No, I should have never done that. Well, yeah, you should have never done it, um but as far as.

B

Like I said, I don't want to be here, I don't want anybody getting killed and uh or killing.

B

Somebody else I just we don't need it, but it's very difficult to handle people dave.

A

As I've viewed these reports, nine out of 11. or 12 o'clock, twelve or later and probably of those 11.

A

. of those nine seven of them or 25 or younger.

A

And at the times.

A

Do you have bartenders that work like from three to twelve or whatever your.

A

Hours are what I'm getting at is the time slot here.

A

Bartenders get familiar with people and so on and so forth and and.

A

Is there any correlation, maybe that uh with their relationships that maybe they would serve an.

A

Extra beer to somebody, because their friends that if you look at these ages, 23 23 23 most.

B

Of my door, men are a little older, and uh some of them are not quite that friendly anyway, in.

B

That particular type of job, so uh they're not there to make any friends trust me no, but I'm.

A

Talking about the bartenders, not the bartenders are older, too dan under they're. All older they're.

B

Every one of them, you know what I mean uh we, you know we how we hire college people as servers.

B

Not as bartenders I have one college guy and he's bright, so you know we we're smarter than that.

B

Because if you got the college behind a bar, it's a free-for-all, that's what I was getting at now.

B

I've been in too long now, the higher than that but and another one of the things is.

B

Is we are one of the few places in carroll county that stay open later.

B

uh And we do that for a couple of reasons. You know it's got. A club atmosphere downstairs.

B

Kids, don't come out till 10 o'clock, 10 30, sometimes, and also we pick up all.

B

I mean every one of them from all the different restaurants when they get off.

B

And that's key: they got money in their pocket, they're going to get something to eat.

B

They're going to have a couple of drinks, it's just like construction worker when it goes into the bar.

B

After working a hard day, sits down, has a couple: beers gets cheeseburger and goes home.

B

We have a lot of that and we're fortunate to have that.

B

But a lot of these you know the later night.

B

Sheriff do we said you know when he supported the two o'clock.

B

He said he'd rather have them stay local than run all over the place like they did.

B

And you know, if you really take a look at it, it's really put a crunch on the baltimore candy bars.

B

You know it's you know, gal bittner's is very, very slow and alden stand is very slow. Late.

B

Or they used to do all their business from carroll county.

B

But um you know we go by, I mean, like I said, is I don't have a lot of answers.

B

To just cutting them off, send them on their way. You know and trying to get somebody to.

B

Find out who the chief is of the group and give them to the chief? I have a question for.

F

Mr benfer they're, comparing the dui reports for johansen's from 2021 to 2022., okay,.

F

How do you compare them? Is it an increase decrease? It's increase this year.

F

And is that, because of the change of the time? No, how long has that been, in effect,.

F

At carroll county two years it was doing covert, so it was two two and a half years.

C

um But overall numbers were, I think we were at 39. I think with 36 last year,.

F

How about just for you hansen's? What's five last year: five! Okay! I don't have that for me. I'm sorry.

I

That's 21. anyway. That's what I'm asking 21! Yes, 521 320., it's down way down so 7 and 19. in 2021.

F

How many were there for total five total in 2022? There are 11 11, total.

B

Decades, by increase in business the busier or the more people you're going to get that makes sense.

C

And you have to also consider too rafael's is not. They changed their business plan they're.

C

Not going after the younger crowd like they used to they're closing ten o'clock.

C

Closes at 10 o'clock and we actually had some rock saw employee.

C

Was one of the duis from johansson's and ernie's is ernie's? I used to be a you.

C

Know occasion I get some college kids out of earnings, but no it's usually their own crowd.

A

Of 2017 you had three 2018, you had four 2019, you had seven 20 20. You had two in 2021. You had five.

A

In 2017 we had a total of 34 in carroll, county 49 and 18. 36 and 19 33 and 20 36 and 21.

A

C

And also probably about two and a half years ago, I started getting reports from west memphis city.

C

Police, that's right, yeah! I was not getting those reports before so that kind of skews.

F

The uh comparison I also would like to subject uh or interject something and- and that is as.

J

We went through the pandemic and everybody was at home and everybody was going to the liquor stores.

J

Because they weren't allowed to go out to the bar, so they didn't feel comfortable to go out.

J

To the bars, their drinking habits changed a lot. Okay, a lot so now that we're through the pandemic.

J

They're, bringing their new drinking habits out into our out into the public and their.

J

Their tolerances have gotten better the amount of pot that they're smoking has has helped it.

J

Along and we're now having to adjust our ways and be more diligent in our on what we do to.

J

Make sure that we're being more careful for their own stupidity and it's difficult? It's challenging.

J

I have a subpoena for a rosa garcia. We actually took her keys away. We informed the cops that this.

J

Was going to be a problem, she was later arrested that evening for what I'm not sure, but I had her.

J

Keys for two days two days, her friends, threw the keys at me said: I'm done her friends all left her.

J

And now it was up to us to get her home, so at a doorman try to do his best, then the cops.

J

Helped us out so this is something that we deal with on a weekly basis. Yeah I mean it's.

B

It's very interesting there and I've heard other establishments talk about getting people getting.

C

High coming in high or miniatures fighting miniatures in trash cans or the parking lots.

C

This is not you know what he. What dave's saying is nothing new. This is the kid they don't spend.

C

The money, so they go to the liquor, store and buy something cheap, first and then or pregame.

C

I hear it all the time I got. I've actually probably have one dui you might be coming from.

C

You guys they were, they were drinking at cnr pub got caught miniatures in the bathroom and.

C

Supposedly, they went to your establishment and got dwi after there haven't seen the paperwork yet, but.

F

So keith, when you compile these, what paperwork do you see to make the the dui report? I could.

C

Copy an official dui report from each agency- okay- and I can pull- I mean- I have the reports.

C

If you wanted, you know specific ones, but um again I'd say earlier a lot of these.

C

At least three of them I know top my head. The cop has told them that you don't drive.

F

Three that we're looking at today, yeah three of those I can go through them and find out.

C

I believe it, you know, one of the main things is and then I'm trust me, I'm not a philosopher, but.

B

People don't care, they just don't care until they get caught, they don't care, they don't carry.

B

Any ramifications they don't care about, nothing, they don't care. You know what I mean. It's just.

B

Okay, I get locked up, they got you, they got drugs in the car. You know I mean how many people are.

B

That stupid, that you know you're going to get all drunked up and you got all this cocaine in.

B

Your car- and you I mean just people- are just stupid and that's what they do and one thing.

C

I want to add too is talking to dave on all these. He has cared. He read the reports he's.

C

Looked and asked me questions about the reports. I have other establishments that I've gone and.

C

Talked to and they don't care the licensee of the owner or the manager. That's part of doing business.

B

Since 1978, and by the way I started turning bar with a 1000 until I was 19 years old,.

B

You probably know the urima family willie rush, that old crew.

A

Next thing you know you're going to tell me you tended bar and the.

A

One of them buildings you tore down many years ago.

A

No, no, no right up the street from you right about where the.

A

Parking lot used to be arrested there years ago. Oh no! It's I'm not that old.

B

You're talking about where haggies was beside us inside of haggies.

A

What's the restaurant to go to at one o'clock in the morning, like your bar, is at one o'clock in.

A

The morning he's back right, 50s and 60s. Don't tell me if you don't remember some of that.

B

Maybe I maybe did I wasn't drinking that.

A

The other questions today, I do have to say that it's very insightful.

I

For the they've been home for two years, building up their tolerance and now they're coming to you.

I

And then with keith's comment, it'd be interesting to say when that gwi point comes through a report.

I

Are they going to say they left johansson's when they yeah when they had? So, I guess it's.

I

Wherever they were last or and another thing is you know what you're talking about right? There is.

B

Today you want a town to where they can walk to different bars and restaurants.

B

And guess what they're going to say, the last yeah last one they left they're, not going to say. Oh.

B

Yeah, I did three shots over here, but I had a beer here, they're gonna, say yeah. I left johansen's or I.

B

Left wherever occasionally I'll get two or three different locations, they will tell me, but my my.

C

Experience someone's drunk they can't comprehend how to lie so they usually tell the truth.

B

You know it's just.

B

Just one of those things that you just you know- and this has been going on for ever since.

B

I started you know my boss used to tell me you know. uh Like I said I started attending barnes.

B

74., if they're intoxicated, you can't serve them. That was back then.

B

You just didn't, do it because number one I worked for frank lambert. He didn't make any money off of.

B

Him he was all about the money, so you didn't make any money off of him. So why are you gonna.

B

Endanger yourself with that, you know so it's it's a tough! It's a tough business anywhere. You get in.

B

When you're out late at night, this is a small town.

B

And just check out the traffic at 12 o'clock, there is none, so who do you think is on the road.

B

The people that are coming from the bars well, we appreciate you coming in. I know it's very.

A

Difficult for for any owner uh with the license, but sometimes we like to get perspectives of.

A

Our licensees and certain situations and see what they're doing and how they're.

A

Doing business-wise and so forth. So if you have any other comments, thank you very much.

B

And I think you'll see your dui report. Some don't hold me to it that are going to go down.

B

This year, because I think we're going to slip into a pretty nasty recession, we're starting.

B

To get a taste of it already to where there's not people out through the week like they were.

B

uh You know they're coming out on the weekends, but they're not coming out due to the weekly.

B

So, thank you very much thanks dave. Thank you.

A

A

Our next item uh and I apologize for getting way behind schedule, but.

A

Ms arthur from historic, uniontown.

F

A

You may be seated ma'am tell us what you have in mind. I have some paperwork. Do.

K

You guys want to see any of that. What is it depends on what it is? It's just.

K

um It was a map of the area as well as some ideas of what we wanted to do with.

K

The cider stroll yes, ma'am, that's what we need to know. Okay, this is.

A

Author from uniontown, yes, oh yeah, yeah, historic uniontown sounds I'm surprised. You didn't bring.

A

Royal charles with you, yes roland, doesn't count anymore ever since they moved into.

K

That retirement community- oh, is that right. I could have bought russ clark with me, though,.

K

All right now, the first page you guys see- and that is just um me spitballing ideas so.

K

There's a variety of things on there, oh in case, anybody wants to see this.

K

Tom holland, I went into the library on main street and and did those off.

L

And this is 12 ounces.

K

um That I'm sure most of you already know the town owns the academy.

K

um The one-room schoolhouse we have ongoing expenses every year, insurance, there's an hvac.

K

um So we do fundraisers and the fundraisers our big fundraiser was was the one barbara childs.

K

Did with the um christmas tours, but those have been defunct for quite a while, and we've done.

K

Other we've done garden tours. We did um ghost walks. We were just part of the large maryland.

K

Garden tour, but we are always draining money just for maintenance and that doesn't include.

K

Anything that the building might need, um we had work done and instead of using the.

K

Correct plaster on the walls they use, drywall mud and the building. I don't know how you guys know.

K

About building, but it's it's the brick with the left, so all of that is now bubbling off.

K

And that needs so we always if anybody has a house is always something. It's always something going.

K

On that we need money. um One of the problems we run into um is that when we use something.

K

Like the christmas tour or like the ghost walk, I did we're going into people's houses, which gives.

K

Us a limited pool of sooner or later, you've run through the season because you can only get into.

K

So many houses people are willing to let you into so. I hit on the idea of doing a cider stroll, which.

K

I'm aiming more at millennials, um because people in their 30s have small children and they will.

K

Take them to wineries and breweries, which I'm old, I would never have taken my child to a brewery, but.

K

um It's very it's a very different uh mind. You know mindset, so what we were hoping was to.

K

um Have a hard cider and what I'm calling regular cider, because I don't know what just normal cider.

K

Would be called that's not hard at the academy, and one of the homeowners in town has also offered up.

K

Her back garden, if we wanted to try to do a second location, um rather because some people, I've had.

K

Just one meeting, which was kind of a feel out the residence you know, are you willing to work this.

K

What what is your input they're like? Well, we don't feel like you should have hearts the drinks at.

K

Just one location, because people aren't going to be willing to walk back and forth the academy is.

K

Located on the east end of uniontown yeah, the east end, um so the the map you guys are seeing is.

K

Just just me, going to google google maps and that's kind of what it looks like the mileage is.

K

All done with me walking and looking at my watch so assuming my watch is accurate. The mileage on.

K

This map is accurate when I looked it up other ways. I couldn't get it any more accurate than.

K

Me and my watch um nan knight, who is on there would be, is the homeowner who's willing to have.

K

It in her garden, so ideally what I'm hoping for is that I would like to do. Online ticket sales.

K

I would like to time them to control the flow. um The first ghost tour walk thing we had. We had 200.

K

People show up at seven o'clock in the evening and it was oh hot giant mess. So I thought if we.

K

Did time tickets that would help us to control the flow the number of people going in and out. I would.

K

Prefer to do all of the tickets online there would be under 10 with free up to 21 would be, I think,.

K

We've decided from five dollars we're going to do a designated driver ticket which I'm thinking.

K

Probably will come in at 15 or 20 dollars. I want them to help absorb some of the other expenses. We.

K

Have so I don't want to make it as cheap as the child's ticket and then for forty dollars. You.

K

Could get the um hard cider the commemorative glass and then um do you guys? I don't know how.

K

Well, you know uniontown another homeowner who now lives and what we all call the old bank.

K

And then, and and mr herman built the house on the back so now it's the bank house.

K

um And all of these are really unofficial names, but we called bank house connie and kohi have.

K

Offered to let us use the bank in the front of their house for the ticketing, so we could take.

K

Tickets there and check ids. I would propose to only have two bracelets. I want to do red.

K

And green red you can't drink green. You can I'm trying to go as simplistic as possible.

K

um One of the things joe had mentioned to me is that, for anything, that's involving.

K

Liquor, you guys prefer um to close roads if at all possible you'd mentioned it was.

K

um uh State road, but in fact, up until that point in time it's county, it's only state at the very.

K

End and that's what this here is showing is that, in fact, through almost all of uniontown.

K

The road is a state road, not not, I mean it's a county road is not a state road. The little.

K

Blip of 84 that comes off clear ridge goes down and then goes out. Travinian is, is state.

K

The bulk of uniontown is county, so are you planning to close the road I don't know is.

K

It feasible to close the road. I you guys need to understand like when I do a ghost.

K

Tour, that's like the extent of my arranging knowledge. I've never done anything at all.

K

With liquor or anything so I have, I have no idea, is it it? Will the county allow us to close the.

K

Road, I was thinking that stroll would cover around three hours. I looked at the sunset the day that.

K

We're proposing and the sun sets at 6 30, at which point in time I would like to close it down and be.

K

Done with it, that would still give us light to get everything cleared out in the past, francis scott.

K

Key has let us park at their parking lot and then we ferry people up on tractors with hay wagons.

K

um And that would let us close the road and still get people into town.

K

I'm willing to take any suggestions or ideas. The state. This is state policy.

A

The state will only allow you to close a road if you have a detour route.

A

Taneytown, for example, if they close baltimore street or whatever it is, which I think that's.

A

What it is, they have a detour around that they can send traffic around state, for instance, reese.

A

Smart company used to have a parade. Well, they can detour traffic around, but not correctly.

A

So they can't close 140., they used to close 140 and have the parade on 140.. They can't do that.

A

I would suggest you check with the bureau of roads.

A

In the county to see, if that's possible, okay to close the county road.

A

And as she mentioned, if you're not familiar with uniontown.

A

The state property does not begin until it comes clear ridge, roads or whatever it is comes from.

A

Union bridge and then cuts across and goes up to old. uh What's now, 140 is to be 97.

A

A cross that comes out to before he gets up there to tyrone or whatever it is, but the right, the rest.

A

Of uniontown road, just she's speaking them out, 95 percent of tony of uniontown, is on the county road.

A

Family or whatever it is they're almost to the end of the road they're. Maybe they don't live.

A

There anymore, they might no, they they actually we've been in uniontown over 30 years and the.

K

Sega fuses were still there when we moved in, but they are all gone now. So the bureau of rhodes.

K

Is who I need to contact about the possibility of a road closure? The only times I recall roads.

G

Being closed is the town of sykesville and westminster. I don't recall any other.

G

Location in the county that where a road was closed, so they had the city behind them, but.

A

They had police a police force too the way they closed the roads when they closed westminster.

A

They used green street as the detour sykesville's got another road and I.

A

Don't remember what the name of it is, but they can detour around at main street in sykesville.

A

But anyway, you need to check that we we don't have any control or any okay, nothing to do with that. If.

K

They are not willing to close the road. You can't close it if they're not willing. No, I know that.

K

um So then the cider stroll would be null and void right. You guys would prefer a road closure.

A

All right, speaking for myself,.

A

What time of year is this? This is um we're talking about october. I.

A

My first question is your operation of 501c3, non-profit? Yes, okay, you have to be a non-profit.

A

In order to be eligible for a one-day license, yeah, no, the the historic uniontown inc is a non-profit.

A

I can personally see where you do: don't necessarily need the road closed if it's properly.

A

Traffic is properly directed and so on and so forth.

F

Are there sidewalks along the stretch, some of them um there is? There is a sidewalk that goes.

K

All the way, through town, that if you are heading towards union bridge on the right side of the.

K

Road on the left side of the road there's a fair amount of sidewalk, but it's not continuous. Yes,.

K

So um I personally think you you could work something out to have it without the root.

A

Being closed just stroll on the side, that's yeah, that's my that's my personal opinion. Okay,.

A

But I'm not, I don't have any idea, I don't know anything either, but I can at least give them a.

K

Whirl and then, if it's a no for them, if they, for whatever reason would be willing to, let us close.

K

Traffic and we could set a precedent, was that that would actually, if this is a good fundraiser, allow.

K

Us to expand out what we're doing if we could, um in terms of you know, selling tables and things.

K

They are added would give us um more options, but I don't I don't like I said I don't know uniontown.

F

Doesn't have a police force? Do they? We don't have anything. We are unincorporated with that.

C

You need to contact the sheriff's department for assistance. They got one of the one of the largest.

A

Mobile vets- oh dr nancy, is wonderful yeah. um Does anyone know the legal definition of hard cider.

C

It's a it's a beer, it's a it's! It falls one into beer category. I'm talking about alcohol.

F

Content, isn't there a definition for hard cider, it's certain percentage? No, I don't think so, but.

C

I know it's just the breweries make cider okay, so our cider falls under our jurisdiction. Yes,.

A

George, I don't think the hard cider when she says hard cider.

A

Is what I know is hard solder and me, and you may know right, okay, no! No! Don't go that far! Well. I.

K

Know we I talked to like pub dog sells there, they have one cider and they sell that in a keg.

K

um So so, and that has alcohol in it contains at least one half of one percent and less than.

I

Seven percent alcohol by volume- that's the legal definition, uh and what is that is that maryland.

F

State law- yes, does uh keith, does charlie have united states code. What was that damn states? Yes,.

C

Stambaugh brewery fire they all the breweries, have a cider hard cider.

C

Hard cider, yes yeah you make and they call it hard cider as distinguished from cider. Okay,.

K

Yeah, could you if you drink it, you drink, because my you drink hard cider, you don't.

K

Drink, you wouldn't call it cider. I don't know why I mean you could do the show without you.

C

Could have two locations and have a closed-in area at each occasion, and people walk back and.

C

Forth from each location, just can't carry the hard cider with them on this location.

C

Because I don't know what kind of I don't know, how our do you do, how you detour around uniontown.

F

If you have people crossing the street, which it looks like that's, might be an intention, if you.

F

Had a crosswalk right dedicated just to that and yeah it's monitored by law enforcement, some sort.

C

I mean: are you gonna? Are you gonna allow the road to be open if she can't close the road.

F

um I'm talking about a crosswalk that is monitored as a possible solution.

C

Okay, I don't know it was just like you do at the railroad tracks when you go downtown.

C

Yeah but the road but the roads closed they only get together. You still got people crossing yeah.

A

But there's author, my my suggestion would be.

A

I think- and I can't speak for my colleagues, but I think again that we would be amical to.

A

Entertain a one-day license if you can get the logistics worked out and and give us a plan.

A

Where you're going to do and and certainly our inspector can be of great help to you,.

A

In seeing what you have and how it could be adapted to meet our requirements and so on, and so.

A

Forth and- and I think probably we're not prepared- I don't think to to make a final decision. No I'm.

A

Not I'm not usually not prepared for that. Actually, we we need maps and designations and so on, and so.

A

Forth and and uh I'm sure that our inspector will be glad to work with you and your committee to.

A

Guide you a little bit as far as our our regulations would be okay and then, if they're not.

A

Adaptable to what you want to do, and so on so forth, well, things will have to be changed. Okay,.

A

We're we're fairly flexible at this point in time, we're just this is still just very, very beginning.

K

um Phases usually, what happens in situations like this? The organization will come in just.

A

Like the restaurants come in and give us a layout of of their establishments, tables bars and so on.

A

So forth that the the organization will come in and have a map of here's what we would like to do.

A

Here's where our vendors are going to be located, here's where we're going to have alcohol serve.

A

And how we're going to contain the area that we're going to allow to be served, and things like that.

C

Foreign, the biggest concern requests we had she when she came to us is.

C

Were you allowed this event to go with it without clothes in the room? Yeah? That's! That's! I'm like.

K

I said we're in the very beginning, so I was not, I wasn't sure. Well, they could come back and I'm.

A

Just yeah, I'm not that was I'm just talking now he might come back and say well, hey! Here's! What.

A

We're going to do we can't close the road and so forth, but we're going to do all this stuff on the.

A

Parking lot at the key: that's that's the reason we asked to come in from the board because we had. I.

C

I couldn't answer that question yeah. The road is a bit of a challenge for us right people crossing.

F

Traffic for these type of events- usually it's something we consider and concerned about, but.

F

Like we've talked about earlier, there may be a way around if you can't close the road there.

F

Might be some type of way to satisfy us as to the safety of the pedestrians? Okay, because the one.

K

um Because I've never worked in a in a bar, um how how hard is it to monitor people leaving a.

K

Facility to ensure that they're not taking alcohol with them, I see that as being problematic. If.

K

There's people milling we'll talk about it. Okay, right! So you! Yes, okay, you have a closed-in area.

C

And then we have fencing up and then you have someone standing there watching people walk.

C

Out, okay, you know nothing in the hand if having the bag, you know we're not going to stop that.

C

Because you're not going to give them something to conceal it, no no stick it in your bag. You're yeah,.

K

You're adventurous, but that that kind of stuff fine talk to the roads, talk to the roads, fight.

C

People, okay and find out if it's doable and then we can come sit down, we'll sit down again.

C

Okay, all right do you have a card, I do not have one, but you can hold joe and okay and getting.

K

My last card out early this morning, I forgot to get almost more okay. All right good um is.

K

Is anybody off the top their head have any other suggestions, ideas? Anything you want to throw my.

K

Way, um I think the best advice is is to is to chat with uh heath and joe who have a lot of experience.

F

Driving this information and providing it to us- and they both know things that work with us.

K

All right, well, good, lord willing I'll be back someday. Okay! Good luck! It sounds like.

A

A good opportunity to raise some funds for the academy and well it's one one, like I said, I'm.

K

Really down to this point in time, what I'm hoping is to get something in a form that.

K

We could replicate it every year or every other year and not be so dependent on the homeowners.

K

Opening their homes- that is, you, know it's a big draw. Everybody wants to see the houses.

K

And fyi, if anybody here is really dying to get inside the houses for the most part, they.

K

Look better from the outside inside it's a bunch of little tiny rooms and they're all very dark.

F

So there's a cemetery involved in this in your thought.

K

um I actually belong to the methodist church and I've already talked to them about it and they're.

K

Absolutely fine with us using the cemetery. I promise that we won't actually be haunted.

K

um I will tell you that there are a lot of ghost stories in uniontown.

K

um I myself don't necessarily believe in ghosts. That being said, I was in somebody else's house and.

K

Saw a black cat run across the hallway and they don't hone a cat. I still don't believe in ghosts.

K

But I know what I saw it then made me: leave the house. My daughter, moved into the dodds lived in.

K

This same house from the 1950s, my daughter and son-in-law, bought the house. Maybe five, seven.

K

Years ago she had a baby who's. Almost three, mrs dodd died about six weeks after becca had arthur.

K

And becca swears that she that she would come in and stuff would be like rocking and moving.

K

And there was nobody there. Mrs dodd was a really great lady. So I I don't know, but there's plenty.

K

Of people that stuff in their house has gotten moved around, and these people are people that seem.

K

Trustworthy and intelligent, and they they swear by what they're saying if you live, someplace and.

K

The houses are old enough people died in them. It's you know it's inevitable. I myself don't.

K

Believing ghosts, but I really saw that cat I mean, I think what I saw keith still don't believe in.

A

It, but I knew it was telling these stories as many times as I was in a double best store up.

A

There and getting candy and stuff to eat so on so for that she tells this guy's stuff, nope yeah.

K

My kids always called that the g store. It was probably the last place on earth. You could buy.

K

Penny king john brown, the old sheriff, didn't he died in his house. um You know I should completely.

K

Know that information- I can tell you where john is buried. I can see his tombstone from the front of.

K

My house, who john john brown, the sheriff, oh man, that's not john, not john brown yeah. If you guys.

K

Have just a minute I'll tell you we have other people. Oh sorry, I got a good story with john.

K

Brown now I'll tell you sometimes keith, since we could tell you a lot of stories about john brown.

K

All right well, thank you, ma'am and good luck. Thank you. We hope to hear from you.

K

Enjoy the rest of your day- and you will be hearing from me again- sounds good thanks.

A

Okay, mr leahy, our apologies for getting behind schedule, no problem. I have something.

M

For joe vance that she asked for so do have a certificate sharing the ownership. Thank you.

M

That is 90 10 percent. Mr priola asked me to come here and speak on his behalf. As I understand it,.

M

um Feed me seated units the resident licensee teresa barnes is given 30 days notice that she.

M

Is not going to be serving on the license in the meantime, mr priola has applied uh to be on.

M

The license in her place the hearing's, not until march 8th, he was hoping the board would consider.

M

Allowing him to continue to keep the license up until he gets appointed, even though technically.

M

I don't understand you're going to have to go, run and get the license on the 17th or 18th. Well,.

C

That's that's 30 days I mean I'm a direction to boyer has unless it changes. I was right. Yes, okay,.

M

So he is simply asked for that, so I'm asking for the board to consider it. It is a little.

M

Unusual situation when there's a falling out between a minority resident licensee.

M

And the majority owner these things can happen. Usually it's not a problem because usually they.

M

Coordinate so that you don't have it, but so he has asked and said: that's what I'm doing.

F

So you're asking us to hold and advance the enforcement of a rule.

F

I believe that's what I'm asking.

F

So, under our rules, keith uh or joe, it's on the 16th, you have to go pick up the license. Oh, we.

C

Counted 17th, but our 17th that'll be the 30 days and the notice that was given by this is 31 days.

C

Yeah, the le we kind of whatever the day 31 days here all right. This I'm looking for the 17th all.

F

Right, the next hearing I believe the hearing is, is march 8th and um you know mr priola's position and.

M

It would be a hardship to have to close basically for two three. We don't have to close well, I.

M

Understand, but not to have a license it well, it can still byob and he could still okay well again.

F

um To let you know of any rule, one way or the other that we're bound by.

M

Well, I think you have the discretion I I did would defer to your attorney, but I think you have the.

M

Discretion to grant such in advance, if you wish to it's your rule, it's not a state law, correct.

M

Yeah, it's a it might be a state law because it might be. You have to have a name on the license.

C

You have to have a license issued to someone. What I meant is that the notice requirement.

M

I believe is your your rules. Well yeah. I agree. I agree with that. I'm just saying, but there's.

C

A state law say the license has to be issued to someone. It has to be name on a license. It must be.

F

A liquor license with someone of a human being's name on it. As our state you're saying that's state.

F

Law, yes, and at a certain date, the human being's name will be removed from the liquor license for.

F

That property- I don't know if that part, is a state law. I know that's our local laws, yeah, okay, but yes,.

F

All right, so if it's not a state law, then perhaps we have discretion to.

F

To ignore the 30-day notice and keep miss barnes's name on it until it's replaced is.

F

Is that I believe that that is what we're asking outside with where mr dixon decides well I'll. Just.

G

Say this the purpose: this is like a new request for a new establishment, so the purpose of getting.

G

The criminal background check is that you, the person that person has given you know provided.

G

That information and and we get the federal state criminal background check, so we won't have that we.

G

Don't so we don't? We don't know, we wouldn't know between the time of whatever uh february 17th.

G

And march 8th, we don't know any of the criminal background information, but I think what mr leahy.

F

Is is suggesting, I think you correct me is that we're not going to put that name on the license.

F

We're going to leave the existing name on it, even though she's given notice and we're just going to.

F

Told that 30-day requirement that she come off not put mr priola on until the next hearing.

F

So whether we had a background check or not, if we kept miss barnes on it, there's a human being on.

F

It now whether we can do that or not I'm, I'm not sure. I don't think we can keep somebody on it when.

F

They, when they already resigned and said they're, not they don't want to be on it. That's that's what.

G

The 30-day written notice was for, if there was a violation who would you hold responsible for it,.

I

Yeah, who, who would be responsible for that 17 days, some some person has to be responsible. The state.

G

Wants you to be able to go after somebody for the violation, not it can't be in limbo? My feeling is.

A

Licensee has given us written notice, which has been accepted for her to come off the license.

A

There's not a hundred percent assurance that we will approve the new license application.

A

Therefore, there's a period of time that it's going to be in limbo,.

A

And unfortunately, for the establishment, I don't feel that a legal license.

A

Can be issued where an exception made in this case the restaurant can stay open, byob.

A

But they do not have a liquor license that that's my understanding. The way.

A

I read our rules and regulations in this in the state. That's my personal opinion.

A

It's unfortunate situation, it is an unfortunate situation and I um I understand your position and.

M

I'm not surprised by it, I'm just doing a favor for someone who can't be here. He's uh he'll be back.

M

In town tomorrow night he tells me so you know this has been going on for several months and.

A

Purchasers prospective purchasers last month it was going to be taken care of at that time and.

A

They had advanced notice, as as he did, of the situation and.

A

I don't know what the current situation is, whether it's new buyers or whether he wants an extension or what but.

A

In my opinion, this could all been resolved.

A

Before now, unfortunately, well- and we we may we're talking with miss barnes, where we may.

M

Be able to get her to cooperate at least we're talking with her. You know, there's she can always.

M

With she can always, if she chooses to she, can always before the 17th perhaps write a letter.

M

Saying she's willing to stay until and then that would solve the problem, so I will mention this.

A

Previous years, we've had a situation.

A

Where the license z has requested to be removed and change of thought.

A

And ask to not be removed until a later date so and so forth. Well, that's what I'm trying.

M

To do on his behalf at this point, whether I'll be successful or not, time will tell.

M

Okay, thank you for your time. Thank you, sir.

I

To speak for you, I agree with you.

A

You know what you got to do right mean god.

A

Okay, is there any other business that we don't have on our agenda.

A

If not any other comments, suggestions, ideas, giveaway giveaways.

A

Yes, ma'am. I just want to make a suggestion when it comes to the with the dui offenses.

N

um I talked I'd spoken to keith briefly about this before very casually. um You know, I'm a.

N

Victim of a drunk driver, having lost my son, I'm a speaker. I speak at with catherine's cause at the.

N

Five, uh the bi-monthly meeting and tell my story: it might not be a bad idea to for the.

N

Establishments that you have multiple offenses to send the owners, the bar managers, the bartenders.

N

To catherine's cause to hear the victim inc and to hear what we have to say and hear how drunk.

N

Driving has affected us, I mean, I know it makes it makes a difference to the offenders that come.

N

Even if it just even if it just touches, one person makes a difference to one person.

N

Just that's just my you know, I'm just asking that as the victim of a drunk driver, something.

N

To maybe take into account- and obviously I don't think it could be anything that.

N

You know you would have that you could enforce legally, but maybe a suggestion to other people.

N

And and I do know from listening to dave- talk uh westminster city police department, they are.

N

Just and keith will tell you this, I mean chief ledwell is just he's really awesome.

N

That's just I just wanted to mention that we've we've tried uh not tried but suggested.

A

In other situations, similar types of of remedial action and so on and so forth, we.

A

Can't require or anything as you mentioned, but it's a good idea to perhaps consider that.

A

First months that I came on this board, I attended one of those.

A

And uh was surprised to see some of the people that were there.

A

I think we're surprised to see me there. I don't know what they ever thought. Why I was there or.

A

Not but I stood there and talked to cindy while they were, some of them were paying the fee and.

A

So on and so forth, and they didn't see me pay any fee, thank god. So I guess maybe they realized that.

A

Wasn't while I was there but good idea, anything else. If not, this meeting stands.

A

Adjourned, we will reconvene on march the 8th 2023 at 10 o'clock in this room.