Carroll County, MD Board of License Commissioners, 13 Sep 2023

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Morning, ladies and gentlemen, we'll call this meeting to order of the board of.

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License commissioners of carol county, we begin our meetings with the pledge.

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To the flag, followed by a moment of silence in memory of those who have.

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Served and made the great sacrifice for this great country. It is strictly voluntary, with.

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That I al to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic.

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For which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for.

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Dixon to call our first case 6467, please all.

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Right case 6467, an application to transfer class b beer wine and liquor license from lyar llc gl 2300.

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Llc to be issued to william b w ii for the use of gl 2300 llc trading as gl shacks, 1207 liberty, road.

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Unit 100 eldersburg m 21784 in election district 5 and the fest matter. We have the following.

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Documents notice of public hearing august 25th, 2023 notice of public hearing august 18th.

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2023 a response from the com controller of marland that from india richard dated august.

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14 2023 there is a response to joe vance's request to var state and local agencies from.

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Lisa no belinda gazelle collections office, the above referenced establishment, does meet.

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The requirements of this office signed belinda gasel august 9th 2023. There is a response to.

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Joan's requests from various state and local agencies from lisa staley health.

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Department, this establishment does not meet the requirements of this office august, 9th 2023, lisa.

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Staley is an august 3rd 2023 letter from joe vance.

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To miss india, richards revenue, specialist com, controller of the.

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Treasury there's an august 3rd 2023 letter from joe vance to william b wy wy ii. There's.

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August 2nd 2023 letter from michael g richie to the board and then there's an.

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Application and the application includes car ctor references, mva records, criminal.

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Background information workers, comp insurance, financial information articles.

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Of incorporation, a menu, a floor plan, a plot plan, asset purchase agreement, sdat.

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Establishment other licensed establishments. I would ask that the file be entered into.

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Evidence we'll accept that in evidence this time I would ask all those who intend to.

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Testify in the case, please stand raise your right hand and be sworn in by miss.

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Vance, do you swear or affirm, under the penalties of perjury, that the testimony you're about to.

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Give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing, but the truth. You may be seated with that. Mr.

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Richie. Thank you, mr chairman, um good morning, uh chairman members of the board for the record.

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Michael g richie, on behalf of the applicant um before I get started in the testimony, I'd.

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Like to add two things to the board's file, um uh both relating to the landlord, the landlord.

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Was out of the country until very recently, so we had um had to uh wait longer than hoped for.

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But um I have the landlord's consent to the application and fresh off the presses.

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I have assignment of the existing le ask that they be added to the far we'll accept.

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Them and mr chairman, my first witness will be the applicant mr wy, mr wy, could you step.

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Forward to the witness table, please: I have a [music] seat good morning, good.

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Morning, you've already been sworn in, mr wy, can you uh state your name and address for.

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The record please certainly william, b, wy iii, 2300 deer park, road fburg, maryland 21048 and.

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You're here um on behalf of your newly formed llc gl, 2300 llc- is that correct? Yes, sir and.

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That is the entity that filed this application that we're here for for today to transfer the.

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Existing cl license from the current owner to your new llc, and you on behal of it is.

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That all correct yes, sir and that's gl shacks located at 1207 liberty, road in elburg, correct.

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Sir, mr ry, you can pull that microphone in front of you. Don't have to lean for.

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It um said this is a transfer of an existing license. Is that correct? Yes,.

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uh We're not asking the board to approve any location changes. No and there's no.

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We're not asking to upgrade the class of the license, simply transfer the existing.

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And uh the premises will they be uh the same as well? No changes in the lease space, correct.

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Okay um and the acquisition is from uh the current owner, which is stav uh or no excuse.

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Me that's the landlord. uh The landlord is the stav llc. Is that correct? Yes, sir? Okay.

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um And you're resident of uh carrol county is that correct, mr wy? Yes, sir, and uh your.

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Address is located in district 4 ref voting precinct 3 in fburg. Is that correct, correct.

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Mr wally, have you ever been convicted of a felony? No sir found guilty of violating.

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Gambling laws no sir found guilty of violating alcoholic beverage laws. No.

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Sir, I'm guilty of any other offenses against the laws of the united states or any state. No.

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Sir, mr w have you ever heard uh held a license. uh Liquor license previously. Yes,.

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I currently own a license for beer 91, also located in fburg. Okay and that's uh that's.

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Also a class b license is: is that correct? Yes, sir? um Have you ever had any or exc uh strike.

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That how long have you? U been on that license, mr wy, uh about five and a half years? Okay and.

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um You ever had any violations. No sir um you're going to be 100% owner of the new.

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Entity is that correct, that's correct: will there be any any other persons having a.

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Financial interest in the license or the business to be conducted under this.

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Application, no sir, will any manufacturer, brewer, distiller or wholesaler have any.

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Financial interest, um other than for the purchase and sale of inventory, no.

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Sir, if granted this uh license, will you conform to all laws and regulations relating to the sale.

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Of alcoholic beverages- yes, sir, thank you um and mr wy I'm going to get into a little bit of.

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This particular acquisition, um so you already have your existing uh business, uh so you're.

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Looking to uh expand your reach a little bit, yes, sir, okay, um what are your plans uh regarding the.

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uh uh Regarding the gl shacks business um as far as any changes you might make, or do you intend to.

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Pretty much keep things the same. I think things will pretty much be the same. We'll try to make.

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Some improvements along the way, but uh it'll stay in the same capacity that it is now how.

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Many employees do you anticipate, having, I would say, probably around 10, okay um and as far as.

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Your bartenders and uh weight staff will they all be tams or best certified? Yes, they will um what.

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Are the hours of operation you intend to operate there uh 11 to probably 10? It's currently closed.

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On mondays, so tuesday, through thursday, probably 11: to 10: friday, will probably be open to 1:00.

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A.M. saturday midnight, but some of that's going to be based on a 60 to 90-day evaluation of the.

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Current state of affairs, um as far as your time, uh you obviously have the one establishment already.

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What uh what do you anticipate as far as your presence uh at the new establishment, anticipating.

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It'll be daily, uh my current restaurant has a pretty an outstanding management staff that.

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Takes care of things pretty well, I'm usually there at 6:00 in the morning, and I plan on.

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Being out of there by probably 8:30 and 9:, to go to the other establishment to get that started.

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And going, and I would say that somebody myself or management staff will be there at all times.

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Right and you so you do have a plan on having on site manager to cover things when you're, not there.

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Yes, sir, um you may have heard uh when council was uh going through the application and the.

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File um that the health department at that time had indicated there was an issue to be resolved.

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Are you aware of that uh the current owner and I discussed it- I believe it's been corrected. Okay,.

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And you're you're aware that um that any sees fit to grant you this license. If there are any.

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Open items from any inspection that they have to be addressed prior to yes, sir, license being issued.

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Okay, I don't have anything further, mr chairman of of mr wy mr's, any questions of mr w rowley. What.

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Will be your policy on vertical ids? I'm sorry! What will be your policy on vertical ids? We.

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Don't serve them and that's our current policy at the beastro also- and I do see that you had.

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Five compliance checks that you passed every one of them since 20 8. Congratulations thank.

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You um the only question I had mr mor um this might be for council in the file. There is a.

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It's a print out from sdat, with the the number and so forth is. Do we also have a letter from.

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Them that they've received the articles of organization I've, um I do not. I don't know.

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If I have that in the file or not- but um I can certainly provide it there, we didn't get.

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A certificate of good st because it's brand new entity, okay, but but but you're, satisfied that.

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That that everything with st, if you go on the website, you can print it right off. Okay, that's.

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That's and the um llc is a new entity correct. uh Is there going to be a resolution uh to.

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Purchase uh are any resolutions from the new llc regarding the acquisition of shcks. I would.

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They anticipate I'll be doing that once we get uh to closing yes, okay, those are all.

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The questions I have thank you, I don't have any questions. Thank you, mr chairman. Thank you.

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Mr wy, thank you, uh mr chairman. uh I've got uh two witnesses as to character as well as.

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Accommodation, I would no objection I'll call them both together. Yes, sir gentlemen, have a.

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Seat I'll defer to age and call mr schmitz first, mr schmidtz, can you uh uh state your name and.

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Address for the record, please uh it's john m schmidt, senor, 2902, birdview, road westminster.

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Maryland 21157 and that's carrol county location, mr schmidtz, that's correct! So do you do you.

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Know mr wy, yes, I've known bill probably about 40 years, used to work for me at one time. Okay,.

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That's how you became originally acquainted. Well, we were acquainted, but then then he came to work.

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Okay, all right um so based on uh the your 40 years, knowledge of him do you believe that he's.

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A person of good character, yes, do you think he's a fit and proper person to hold a liquor license.

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Yes, definitely do you think that it would accommodate the public for this location to.

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Continue to have a liquor license, yes, sir, would you recommend the board grant this application.

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Yes, thank you nothing further of mr schmidtz any questions of mr schmidtz question. No questions.

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Thank you, mr banker, can you state your name and address for the record? Please kevin paul.

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Banker, 3402 avis court westminster maryland 21157 in carol county. Thank you. um So you.

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You're acquainted with with the applicant mr wy, yes, I've known bill five years through.

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Beginning as a banking relationship, okay, so the uh if you could identify just for the board's.

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Knowledge um what that banking relationship is who the bank is and how that came about? Yes,.

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When bill was purchasing estro 91, probably five and a half years ago, uh he came to farmers and.

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Merchants bank to apply for an sba loan which uh we did approve for him. uh He was at that.

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Time dealing with gary harris, uh he now deals with uh myself and our relationship has been.

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Paid and everything has agreed. Thank you based on uh that relationship. Do you believe that he's.

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A person of good character, yes, sir, you think he's a fit and proper person to hold a liquor license.

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Yes, sir, you familiar with the gl shacks location, I am you think it would accommodate the public.

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For that location to continue to have a class b liquor license. Yes, I do, would you recommend the.

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Board grant the application. I would yes, sir. Thank you nothing further, mr chairman. Thank.

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Questions of this sness question, gentlemen, you guys can step down. Thank you. Thank you.

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Gentlemen, mr chairman, um the current lense he is here present and uh was sworn in I'll just.

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Ask him to stand and ask him if he has uh consented to this transfer, can you identify.

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uh Yourself name and address: please go behind the mic8 sville road seille mar.

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21784, thank you and uh you agreed to this asset purchase agreement with mr wy. Yes, sir,.

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I do and you consent to the uh application to transfer the license. Yes, sir, thank you. Nothing.

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Further that' be uh my case, mr chairman, I have a very brief uh summary. If I may, um you heard.

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From the applicant who's been licensed for uh five or six years at his existing location and.

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uh You've heard confirmation that that's been a successful enterprise and also that there's.

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Been no violations and there's been uh uh looks like annual checks that are in the.

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Board's file, um I've heard him testify that uh he's looking for a a new challenge to.

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uh Purchase this existing business and broaden his reach a little bit in that location, which.

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Is a little bit different market than the fburg market um and you've heard uh the.

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Witnesses testify both as to his character, um as well as um the accommodation of the public.

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That would result in uh this establishment continuing to have a liquor license um and.

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I would submit that uh mr w's uh uh met the criteria that board established for.

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uh Holding liquor licenses and I would respect respectfully request um that you do so thank.

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You insector, do you have any comments to make um I'm known bill since he.

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Purchased um p 901, I think, he's very fit and proper to hold liqu.

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Every time I've dealt with him been very professional and always rest return. My.

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Messages well, we kind of jumped ahead testimony and so on and so forth is closed and summaries.

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Have been made, so I guess at this point we shall deliberate on the validity of the application.

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Commissioners comments: questions speak now forever hold your peace. It's obvious to me.

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That, mr wy um is a good businessman. He's he's had several compliance checks that he's passed.

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He's got at the beastro, he has gotten himself a management team that he feels comfortable with.

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So much to the fact that he's now going to be at his new entity, probably building the same relation.

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Relationship with employees and and his customer base, um and with all the testimony being given.

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I to find him to be a fit and proper person to hold a liquor rense, so I will now defer to.

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My colleague, commissioner barart, oh mr chairman, I uh the comments that are made by commissioner mwy.

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Are exactly the ones I was going to make on uh in this case um clearly fit and proper person to hold.

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A liquor license our applicant. um Of course, the um testimony of our inspector carries a lot of weight.

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And I think, there's no question that uh we should grant the application uh subject, of course, to the.

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uh Contingencies that um all required inspections and permits are are applied for and received.

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I'm prepared to make a motion, mr chairman, at this time, chair would accept the motion. Mr chairman, in.

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The case uh 6467, which is an application to transfer a class, be b beer, wine and l liquor.

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License from lynch or llc to gl 2300 llc, to be issued to william b wy, um I move that we grant.

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The application motion been excuse me properly made. Is there second to the motion a second to.

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Motion motion been properly made and seconding that this board grant the application to transfer.

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A class b beer wine and liquor license from lyar llc to gl 2300 llc, to be issued to william b wy.

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Iii for the use of gl 2300 llc trading as gl shaks 1207 liberty, road unit, 100, eldersburg, maryland all.

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Those in favor signify is saying I I oppose no, so ordered congratulations than good luck. Mr wally.

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Thank you. Congratulations now you can go words. Now you can go back and forth. You can have breakfast.

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One place and lunch in the other and don't forget, do right, don't go, don't forget to go home for.

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Dinner all right.

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Right: hey, charlie, okay: this is the uh b transfer application. I I'll fill in the.

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Rest of the information, but since you're here, if you want to go ahead and sign.

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I thank you. Good luck. Good see, appreciate you than you got r.

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Can I say something off the record? uh Oh that's not hold on. He has give me a.

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Minute you got the floor. Well, you know he wants it off the record. Well, it can be on.

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The record: that's fine, I just to say that we're going to take a 10 minute, 10- minute.

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Okay, we're back in order. We've got some uh business to take care of the first item on.

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The agenda is the approval of minutes from august 9th meeting of the board.

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Which you all should have received- and I assume have a copy in front of.

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Us any corrections or additions. No, no, if not they'll, stand approved.

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As presented, we have a thank you note from jennifer elliot to the.

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Board we're under new business.

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Now and jennif for elliot is who she used to own market tavern and then.

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She opened finch market in tony town and then she closed that and.

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Moved away- and she sent this note when, with her uh license when she turned it.

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In yes, she talked about that. I think she had posted that she wasn't, including.

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That one not moving forward in that one, then too, you want me to pass it on. Yes,.

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It okay, we got a quest quest. We got a request from the westminster american legion with a.

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List of their dates for their outdoor events didn't we approve some of them. Last month, yeah.

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You approved the august and september events. You have october and november left. Okay, what are they.

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um October 28th trunk or treat and november 18th um shrimp and chicken feed spectors any problems.

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No, no problem, it's just the same location that same little outdoor area. They do all the time.

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Any questions comments, no any objections. No one day liquor license request for an outdoor.

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Event, the westminster fall fest for beer garden on september, 21, 22, 23 and 24. We've had these in.

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The past yes, corus club runs a beer garden in the city playground. They still have it at the.

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That end yes and it's controlled entrance to and from yes, they have people monitored to two.

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Exits- and it usually rains one those days to see this or all of them. Is there any objections? No.

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No one day liquor license from the town of hampstead for a beer gard at their fall.

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Fest on october, the 7th- this is a new event and they're they be coming in at 11:30 to talk to the.

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Board they're coming at 11:30 yep, the next three, these the next three are.

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All new events that we haven't had in the past before so they're all be coming. Yeah.

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All be coming, um except from what I'm sorry at the carol rebel one. I actually.

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Moved them to the october hearing, so you can mark that out for today I don't know.

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I mean they're just thring baskets here. I don't know if you want need to talk to him, but if it's brand new yes.

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Okay, okay, we'll skip down then to mount ary bowling to have a booth on main street with.

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Food and beverages during mount ara, main street association october fest september.

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23Rd, which will be next saturday, you've already approved the october fest full.

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Plan for- and they just want to have a 10up set up inside that footprint, any objections.

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No downtown syville connection wants to have a craft beer festival on november. The 4th one.

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Day, liquor license they've had it in the past. They have any objections. No no objections. You.

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Want to see these request, letter and map from mcdaniel college asking for permission to have.

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Alcohol service in tents located outside the stadium for an alumni event, and they.

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Are coming at 2:15 to talk to you about not be here at 2:15, so they might not talk to us.

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About then you'll just have to take ke word. They want to say I mean if I can tell them if if he.

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Does they're going to have a alumni event? They just the location they're. Having is not one of.

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The approved locations the last hearing right, so they have to put a request in when they do.

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Something outside their approved areas. Let them come okay, how about the next one one day, liquor.

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License they have done it before we're out door event from kyle rutley of mission believe for.

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Fundraising event at 4585, babblin road in tony town- you say: they've done this before yes have.

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You there have you been there, I was there, I was there too. What were you doing there? Not not going.

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In the alcohol tent, they had any objections. I got honey. Only only thing different is the the.

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Outdoor beer garden is going to be a little bit bigger, but still in that same area it was.

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Not they had it kind of like in the corral area of the barn, so it was all kind of like.

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Fenced in and did you go into the barn itself? The bottom I did did you like the beehives.

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That was crazy, wasn't it you get stung, I did not, they were, they were all going have. Thank you. No.

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Objections one day, liquor license applications for outdoor events from jason garber for westminster.

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Pride festival for events on october, 7th drag bunch and brunch and bingo. What is a drag brunch.

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And bingo uh people dr up in drag or serving food, and they have bingo they play bingo and.

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Entertaining you, what do they have for brunch? I don't know what I don't don't know the menu.

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I would hope eggs and food make your breakfast and lunch and the brunch. Yes, I understand what a.

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Brunch is, but I just wondered what they had for brunch: that's all they should have had a menu.

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On on october, 28th for a drag halloween show at birdy's cafe on main street. Is this a new event.

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No, this they've had these in the past um last year. They had the well this year they had the outdoor.

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Pride festival um they've had this year, they're doing one inside and then the other one's going.

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To be on the back patio, we approved them in the past for the back patio inspector james. uh You.

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Were at the pride festival or something where, where do where do they? I'm just curious? Where.

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They serve the alcohol from it was uh three locations. One was at next door to fletcher's.

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Funeral home one was outside bird's cafe and the other one escapes me, but they were all.

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Fairly localized within their footprint, do they have a full bar or just certain things.

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Just certain there's, just uh they had uh pipe the side brewery is there serving their wares.

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And uh birdies were selling alcoholic smoothies and I can't remember what the other place was.

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That's what I understood, that's why I asked that not so this is just at bird's cafe. Yes,.

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Sir, any objection, no did you want to see the right there's. A page shows that they'll have.

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At every egress they'll have a no alcohol beond, this m joe. What did I miss that we haven't heard.

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From yet anything on this agenda, just the ones that are coming in my agenda, everything.

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Else you see this, thank you what' you give it to me, for it was all together.

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The pride festival under the offices of the carol county um um foundation, yeah foundation,.

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Yes, okay, while we're waiting, I got a couple other things. If I can bring them up, please.

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The same thing, no two different events: two different events should be: okay, okay,.

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Yeah off office office, um how I say it: administrative administrating, um when we.

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Get new applications they're due by the first friday of the month and a lot of times they.

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Don't show up, everything is required, um I like to make it allow joe have discretion of push if.

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They don't show with up with everything, with her discretion, to push him back for another month. We.

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Had tracked down this, especially this last one gl shacks two weeks later before, we even got all the.

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Paperwork in I think I recommend the board and I told joe, I said, she's stressing off to find.

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Stuff that should already be in the application. Why should she be checking tracking down this.

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Stuff, I think she should be able to push it back a month if they don't have the paperwork completed.

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My thought would simply be that we have certain requirements that have to be met.

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And if they're not met by the required date or something like that, there just.

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No questioned unless it's an emergency of some kind for some reason, somebody was.

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Hospitalized or some accident, or something like that, so our past practice has been for.

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Joe to follow up and try to get the stuff sent to us correct we've been lenient on.

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um Accepting applications that are mostly done, but not completely done, but this month I got an.

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Application and- and I really should have bumped it immediately um because it didn't even have.

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Half of the required documents when I got the application, I immediately emailed the attorney.

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And said, I'm missing this this this and this and that person gave me you know reasons for.

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Some of the missing items and than promises of when they would be submitted, but I shouldn't I.

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Really shouldn't have accepted it to begin with, because it was missing so much so sometimes well.

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In in the past, we've accepted the applications to be put on the docket subject to them, bringing.

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In other, the the required documents that you notify them of and what we want to change it.

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To is, uh if you don't have our checklist, you don't get on the docet at your discretion and.

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And I'm okay with you know like if, if it's a case of they get everything in, but the lease.

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And they can't get the lease because the owner is out of the country. You know my discretion to.

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Say: okay, I can you know I can wait on that and that's fine. We should probably put something in.

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Our newsletter saying that going forward uh well actually keith and I were thinking I would send a.

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Letter to the local attorneys is there the ones who you know how them attorneys are so well. No.

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Comment, no, I don't do liquor.

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Applications and like stuff from the state take takes a while. Sometimes we don't get those the.

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Transfer to the state, so that takes a while number. We always you know let the application.

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Slide on that, we don't have it right and and a lot of times the. U, the bulk transfer, we we we.

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Go ahead and dock it, even though that's not there, but there are other things um but sending in the.

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Newsletter, you know it reaches people who already have a license and yeah, um except for the few, like.

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Antonio, but antonio always gets his act together, he's always submits a complete application, but you.

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Know it's the attorneys who give me the incomplete so so we're just talking about applications for.

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Transfers and app and new licenses- and that's almost always by an who's represented almost.

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Always yeah, if they don't have an attorney they're talking to us a lot. So we can get this stuff in.

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Yeah, do we ever tell them that it'd be helpful if they had councel when.

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No because I don't want to spend the money on council, don't need it, you don't want them to.

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Spend the money- sometimes I don't think they need it, but again I make it their.

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Discretion I said you they're asking you for legal advice now they're asking us how.

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To fill out piece of paper, sometimes that crosses over into legal advice,.

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Okay, we have attorneys asking us how to f, fill out piece of paper. Alsoo sometimes say say that.

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Again for the record, we have attorneys sometimes asking us how to fill out a piece of paper. I know.

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I was going to say I there are attorneys who, who give us incomplete applications, yeah and.

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That was just the point was joe, should not be stressing over trying to chase something down.

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That needs to be done and she should have the option which she does. But now she, with on the.

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Direction the board that you guys understand that she will help push stuff back a month.

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Or two, if it don't get done, I have no problem with that. I think that's a reasonable request.

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My my thought is simply- and this do doesn't count very much in today's society- is two words common.

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Sense that doesn't count too much.

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Today another suggestion I have if, if, if we're done talking about that, she's.

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uh Done a outstanding job and I don't see why have to she's stressing so much out that her.

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Hair is turning purple well, we can't have that. I can. I can understand that, because of another.

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Board that she is associated with and chairman of the board and the chairman of that board of.

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That board, so I can understand with two of us. Maybe three I don't know who the third one is.

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But anyway I can understand that, but I I she's intelligent enough to make decisions for herself.

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Thank you dave my opinion with that. What else you got um since you're, requ you're, requesting.

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People, com in that for one day license have been in. I think we should have those come. Those people.

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Come in at 10:00, um because sometimes we tell them 11:45 or 11:30. We might not done done the.

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Case at the time, I think if we do all those one day license in the beginning and start.

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Have our first case at 10:30 cuz, we can always do the business meeting in front. I think it'.

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Just be more convenient for them to come in at 10:00, and that way they're done. They know.

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They come in at 10, they be done by 10:15 10. I hate to have someone come in at 10:30 and.

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Be sitting here for an hour because we're go to the doctor or dentist. What was that? Do you.

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Ever go to the doctor or dentist I'm trying to make it more convenient, I'm trying to make carol.

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County government, more efficient and or this board outstanding in the eyes of business own.

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That was a good answer: we're we're very friendly business people. We are very friendly towards business. We are very.

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Friendly business people, but u my comments would simply be that who makes the schedule now joe.

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Does we just verified our acceptance of her performance and- and I certainly.

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Would accept her performance for making a schedule, as she sees.

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Fit thank you. She knows the complexity of all the cases that may come before.

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Us and how long it may take if she thinks it ought to be 10:00. That's what we abide.

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By, although I guess wrong on g shack, you what I guessed wrong on gl shacks. So what.

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Do you mean you guessed wrong? It only took a half hour. I gave him well sometimes sometimes.

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Our inspectors and other people filibuster every now and then you know spors and other.

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People, if the shoe fits, we had a. We had a had a gentleman make a statement there that.

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Wasn't on the agenda and so on and so forth. So you know we get all kinds of things like.

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That what else you got, that's all I have that's all you have on the record. That's.

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All I have, you still got 10 minutes to fill buster jim. What do you got got nothing.

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Nothing much have you drove a school bus, yet this week I did yesterday were you on time.

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Ahead of time, ahead of time, you have the you: have the little children's mothers complaining.

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Ca, you got there too early and they had to run for the bus. No, the rule says the rules.

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Are it's 10 minutes or 10 10 minutes before 10 minutes after the allotted time on the.

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Schedule anybody else have anything how your classes going good we're doing. Well, we have.

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One coming up next wednesday at dutch corner on the 20th, from 4: to 7:00 p.m. We have another one.

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Coming up in october, two in october, two two in october, two in october and we've got the one at.

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The college um the college has the college campus station has asked the jim to teach a class on fake.

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Ids and alcohol for their for their um security security officers and then green mount station.

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We don't know when green mount station is going to be, but I mean you've been contacted. They they want.

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A class there, where are you going to have enough room? Where is it, can canteen whatever it is over.

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There did yeah it's a small we're gna keep a small class county line caner. We can probably.

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Do about 18 to 20 people in that class? That's not a very big establishment to start with yeah.

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But it would be they', be sitting we've all right before we have this uh 1:00 1:45 is the hearing.

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Mh we need a total number of attendees and pes or whatever you want to call. I can get that date. Okay,.

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And how many classes have you had? I do know we're getting some new restaurant somewhere in carol county. But that's all I know.

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Linda carter, uh the attorney contacted me and she's going to be submitting an application, but.

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She didn't give me details. Oh um speaking, about new places, I stopped down by beer b and ellsburg.

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They said already had one not yet a month it was a little dirt. It was a little dusty to do one. They.

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Stopped they said by three three to four weeks. I said a month, jim stopped by lassas two in m.

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Ter on monday and they're just about ready to roll out, I probably say maybe two weeks, I probably that.

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Final punch out tidy upstage, we don't do anybody else in the system collision. I was going to say.

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Is there any update on collision course on main street they're every place else? Collision courses.

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Everywhere else, but not main street, I have not heard anything about main street they're at the.

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Golf course on the weekends and they're at the old general dynamics building during a week, tech is.

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There is there a hold up the city and inspections, the city and yeah, not for them. Aren't they the.

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Ones that there's a a problem with where their fan is being placed, or is that somebody else I think.

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um The clei course yes cuz, they don't own the patio next door, but I think I've heard I heard.

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Rumor they worked it out with the landlord, for that was the cing them to put the fan a certain.

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Place to e to easiest way to side of the building, but then it would be over property, they don't own.

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The landlord does not own, and um I don't know if I think I've heard that got fixed, but I don't know.

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100%, um should we share about the city the? What should we share about the city on.

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No anything else for the business part of the meeting. We still got 5 minutes to go.

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And we're going to take a break if not and we're hearing um public comment on.

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The draft at what time 145 145 145, okay right, so you have these other.

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People coming in at 11:00 is that what you said: 11:30, 11:30 and 11:4 445 and then 2:15.

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For allowing you know a half hour for the public car, so, okay is there anything else. You want to ask.

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Those two sitting before us out there challenge them to a cornhole tournament or something.

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Anything any other thing to be brought before us for business wise before we take a fem minute.

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We're back in session, I don't see the advertisements this time. I.

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Would ask our attorney mr dixon to call case 6468.

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Please case: 6468 an application to transfer class b beer wine and liquor license from.

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Spargo in to gandaki operating company llc to be issued to tulsi giri for the use of gandaki.

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Operating company llc trading at bargos and two doors down pub and grill 3165 main street.

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Manchester mar 21102 and election district 6 in the file of this matter. We have the following.

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Documents a september 6 2023 letter from kelly schaer miller to the board a august 25th 2023.

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Notice public hearing for this case and august 18th 2023 notice of public hearing for this.

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Case a response from the town of manchester to joe vance's, request to various state and.

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Local agencies, they state the above reference establishment, does meet the requirements of.

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This office zoning administrator michelle wilder, there is a response to joe vance's.

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Request from belinda gasel collections office, the above referenced establishment.

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Does meet the requirements of this office? Belinda cassel collections, office supervisor.

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August 9th 2023 there is a response to joe vance's request from lease the staley health.

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Department, this establishment does not meet the requirements of this office, see the attached.

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Memorandum, a maintenance and inspection and licensing must be completed prior to.

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Approval there's august 4th 2023 letter from joe van to.

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Miss india richards revenue, specialist com, controller of the treasury, then we have an.

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Application there's august 4th 2023 letter from joe vance to miss uh ts. Giri is august 3rd 2020.

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August 3rd 2023 letter from kelly saer miller to the board and the and the letter includes.

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An application character, references articles of organization, naturalization papers, driving record.

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Sdat information, financial information operating agreement, fl and plot plans, menu, workman's, comp.

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Lease other licensed establishment and asset purchase agreement. I would ask that the file.

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Be entered into evidence will'll accept that into evidence this time I would ask all those.

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Who intend to testify in this case? Please stand raise your right hand and be sworn in by miss.

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Vance, do you swear or affirm, under the penalties of perjury, that the testimony you're about to give.

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Is the truth, the whole truth and nothing, but the truth. Thank you may be seated. Miss kelly.

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You may proceed please. Thank you. Good morning, mr chair members of the board kelly schaer miller, 73.

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East main street westminster maryland 21157, I'm here this morning on behalf of the applicant mr.

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Tulsi giri, who is present and seated to my left, um mr dixon. Thank you for your introduction of the.

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File as the board is aware, this is a request for a transfer of a class b beer wine and liquor license.

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For what we all know as spar gh in manchester maryland, um you will hear testimony from mr.

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Giri today that he is the prospective purchaser and that, pending this approval here today, um he.

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Will be purchasing this the business of sparos, uh you heard in mr dixon's introduction of the.

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File that we are still awaiting final approval from the carol county health department, so we.

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Do understand that any approval here today would be conditioned on getting any required final sign.

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Offs from county or state agencies, um mr giri's testimony you will hear that he is an incredibly.

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Qualified applicant, he has an extensive experience in the industry and in management, um and I'm I'm.

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Excited about the prospect of him purchasing and taking over the spargo establishment, although I.

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Know jack is also here. The current li and current owner of sparos, um and I know, he's been a fixture.

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Of that community and will be missed, um but this is an exciting transition. I think for the business.

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And we are all hopeful that uh you will hear all of the testimony that you need to hear today. So.

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With that, I'm going to ask mr gir to state his name: tulsy state. Your name spell your name and.

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Your address for the record, please tulsi, giri, uh 4324, cottington road, nottingham, maryland.

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21236, okay, tulsi! Is it correct that you are a member of gandaki operating company llc? Yes, and.

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Is it also correct that you are the sole member and own 100% of that llc? Yes, and this business.

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That you are, you heard my opening statement. Was that all accurate? Yes, so this business that will.

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Operate a restaurant and bar is currently known as sparos and two doors down pub and grill is.

R

That accurate, yes, okay and that's an existing restaurant establishment that you intend on.

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Purchasing the business component of correct yes: now: does the existing business have some outdoor.

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Seating and I guess standing area- yeah, yes, okay, do you anticipate that everything about the existing.

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Floor plan for sparos will remain the same. Yes, we do same okay, so is it also your intent to maintain.

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Similar hours and overall, a similar operation to how sparos was managed and operated. Yes, similar.

R

Hours, um can you tell the board what the hours are uh sunday to thursday like a resturant at.

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7:30 to 10:00 p.m. and friday saturday, 7:30 a.m. to 11: p.m. a.m. and bar um monday to saturday.

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11:00 a.m. to 2: a.m. and sunday 11:00 a.m. to 1 a.m. and sparos does a pretty decent breakfast.

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Business during those morning, hours, correct, yes, okay, are you aware of whether there's internal.

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Surveillance in the in the restaurant area- yes, is it your intent to continue and maintain that.

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Surveillance, yes, can you explain to the board and- and I want you to go into some detail here- tulsy.

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Okay, can you explain to the board your background in the restaurant and hospitality industry? uh I.

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Started when I was 14 years from nepal, then with the five star hotel I I was the dishwasher, then I.

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Did the cook training and then from the I jumped to the five star hotel, then I work subal hotel in.

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Nepal, then in 2005 I moved to abu dhabi, then I started work like three hotels in abu dhabi and.

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Dubai one of the iconic hotel, seven star hotel in the world as a chef, then in 2009 I moved to.

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San francisco, as a chef in the pman hotel, then there, when I was there, I got opportunity to cook.

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For barack obama and michelle obama, then after that was in 2014, then I work in permon hotel, san.

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Francisco for more than six years, then I moved to the las vegas with manderin oriental mandarin.

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Oriental then I work there. Then I I got other opportunity with ara is a managed by mgm. Then.

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I work in mgm as a assistant executive chef that was the biggest hotel in the world. Then.

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After that, when I was in las vegas in 201 uh 17, I got opportunity as a executive chef in the four.

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Season hotel, as the executive chef in the four season hotel in the harbor baltimore, then I moved.

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In 2017, with my two daughters and my wife to the baltimore, then when I was in baltimore working in.

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The po season then goucher college talson, uh like gave me the opportunity, as the campus executive.

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Chef uh for the gaer college tson, then, when I was in gaer college talson, then I realized I need to.

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Do for the community and like a my community, I want to work for my community. Then that's.

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Why I planning to buy the business because the community deserve to uh you know the try. My like.

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You know the experience and I do my best to make the community because the five star hotel food, I.

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Can serve in the manchester in the affordable and reasonable price and, like you know like then.

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Yeah, just I want to it's a circle like I want to share my experience to the other staff too. I want.

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To grow them, I want to make them like you know the success for everybody who work with me. Tulsy.

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In those years of experience in the um restaurant and hotel industry, do you have? Did you have the.

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Opportunity to gain management experience in those roles yeah, I I was the director for.

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The like a culinary then when I was at the gaer college for seon las vegas, then I'm the I work in.

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The management position like a giving training and teaching them hiring how to grow them like.

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U those kind of things and h in those roles. Have you previously been responsible for training staff.

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Members on the service of alcoholic beverages uh that part- I never did, but I always do the alcohol.

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Courses online, like the same like I did the now t times certified, so I wasn't for the that was not.

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My responsibility when I was I work for the that part in the alcohol, but, like I same I I was taking.

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Care for the food and beverage like a restaurant like a kitchen, I was the management, but we have.

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The bar manager for the those things and is it the intent in purchasing the business of sparos.

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To keep any existing employees who want to stay there? Yes, I want to keep everybody okay and what.

R

I mean you generally explained it, but tell this board a little bit more specifically. What will.

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Your role at sparos, be I mean, are you going to be there every day? What are you going to be doing.

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There you know that sort of information almost every day, if I'm home, I have to keep tracking.

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The my like, you know, staff and like how they do it like always, if something happen, if I take my.

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Days off still, I know, like you know, somebody will be there. The like a uh replace me like.

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Some other supervisor then still I'm watching. If I still I'm at home, you will have an active.

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Role: you're, not just an investor, you will I'll shf manager. Okay and you stated, is it accurate.

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That you stated that you are tam certified yes, okay, and is it your intent to require that all.

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Employees serving alcoholic beverages be tips or tam certified. Yes, approximately. How many.

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Employees, do you anticipate having in total uh I'm planning like exactly when I see the operation now.

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Like about 20 part time and fulltime, like uh eight fulltime and 12 part times, I'm planning, okay and.

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Separate, and apart from requiring your employees who are serving alcoholic beverages to hold some.

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Kind of tips or tam certification will you also be having an in-house training for employees? Yes,.

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I'm planning, okay, as part of that program, have you decided whether you will or will not accept.

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Vertical ids never accept vertical id okay, so it is the policy that vertical ids will never be.

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Accepted correct, yes, okay is: is it your intent to have a policy that every customer is carded every.

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Customer requesting no matter what they have to show their card: okay as part of the onboarding.

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For any new employees, will they be required to shadow a experienced employee as part of their.

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Training, yes, okay, are you familiar with the liquor board's rules and regulations? Booklet, your copy.

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Right there, okay will so you're aware of that correct, and will you be training your employees.

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Specifically on that handbook and requiring that they read those rules, yes have you discussed um or.

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Thought about as part of your management practice, keeping an incident log, of course, yes, okay, and do.

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You have experience in doing that in some of your other establishments. Yes, okay, are you h.

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Have I made you or are you aware of the state's attorney's diversion program uh where this board.

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Works with the state's attorney's office to report any one responsible for a violation. Yes, okay and.

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Will you train your employees specifically on that program to make sure that they are aware of that.

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Yes, do you intend on having regular meetings of managers and staff to you know, staff meetings.

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To talk about alcoholic beverage service, but also just general things that come up yes, I'm planning.

S

To the prei meeting and like a prei, very quick meeting like every day, then um once a week, we do.

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The like you know the team meeting. Then we share like whatever we need to grow and like uh what.

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Where we are at and like we need to appreciate like we do, somebody do the great job we have.

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To tell thank you and like if somebody need to learn- and maybe we have to work out for that- one.

S

Okay, are you aware of whether there is signage in sparos right now? This might.

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Be a jack question, um but are you aware if there's signage in there about alcoholic.

R

Beverage service and who gets carded and that sort of thing um I'm not sure, but I will put.

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In the bu, the cashier, like a dex by the bar, like you, know what they see always and that.

S

Reminds them to check the card, they never forget. So it's your intent, even if there.

R

Isn't existing signage to add signage, yeah? Okay, you have that copy of that welcome packet over.

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There too right- and that has some sample signage in there- that you've seen correct.

R

Okay, so tulsy, you said that you're familiar with the rules and regulations of this board.

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Correct, yes, are you willing to comply with all of those rules and regulations, 100%.

S

Yes, okay, those are my only questions for mr giri questions, uh so you say you will.

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Have in-house training is your plan to have then signatures from the employees stating.

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That they have been trained, understand the training, yes, okay and um just went.

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Out of my head, so no vertical ids and card everyone. That's yes! That's true! No vertical.

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Id do, do you know, do they card everyone now. Do you know? Is that a card everyone.

G

Now, that's the only questions I have, mr b. um Can you I've never been to the ass? Can you explain the.

H

Layout a little bit to me, uh I take it. There's a bar in a place called two doors down pub. That's.

H

And sparas it's the restaurant portion is that how it works? Can you walk through the floor plan.

R

A little bit to okay! So um when, when I you walk from the manchester state like if you go from.

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The east to west right side, then you enter the door left side has in the kitchen. You see the.

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Left side carry out in kitchen and then you you turn to the restant. They have the. uh I think 16.

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Booth um and the tables, then um then, after that, like you have the little bit back the other.

S

Like a like a hall banquet hall, like a behind that one, then like a right side like you, have.

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The patio like out outside sitting, like a patio, then uh if you go in the the that floor, has the.

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I there's two like two bathroom one, um ladies and gents bathroom room, then after that, like a behind.

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That one that has one has the walking cooler and like a kitchen side, if you go by the kitchen side,.

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Then there is a like um three compartment sink and like a like walking cooler refrigerator. Then.

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If you go, then after there from there, you can go direct to the down in the bar, because the.

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Food they can take the food downstair okay, so the bar is downstairs. That's why there's two.

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Names yeah similar to some other establishments where they different between the floors. That's I.

R

Think, that's probably what you were getting at, mr that helps me somewhat. um Is the exist this.

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Might be for council, or whoever wants to answer is the existing license. Se going coming off of.

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The license at the uh should the application be granted. Yes, that is the intent. Although jack did.

R

Share with me prior to this that he intends on still having a transition role in the business.

R

To help tulsi, but yes, the the um proposal is to replace the existing license e so with tuli right.

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And um the existing licy will be the landlord. Yes, that's correct: he will maintain ownership.

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Of the property he is selling the business, only not the property. So I just have a quick question.

H

About the lease um and the rent on page two, uh the rent is um redacted, but then there's.

H

A a phrase that I'm not familiar with um triple net: can you explain that so a triple net lease.

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Is essentially um what you see in almost you may not have seen it explicitly, but that's what.

R

Almost any commercial lease is, it just means that they pay property taxes. The tenant pays property.

R

Taxes, so landlord essentially does not have any expenses. um Tenant assumes all of those ordinary.

R

Expenses that otherwise a land owner would have right. So it's not in any way related to.

H

The amount of alcohol sales, no, absolutely not. No. I just wanted to clear the out my head. Thank you.

H

um Those are all questions I have about the applicant right now, thanks any other questions.

A

Is the applicant, um I remember what I was going to ask you: are you familiar with the concept of.

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A log book to log, yes sure, you've gone over that already. Thank you. I appreciate that and.

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Do you intend to have a log book yeah, thank you and, and I think you testified, that you're.

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Going to have like an employee handbook uh that sets out these policies and the employee will.

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Sign them acknowledging that they read it is that right, are you going have an employ yes of.

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Course how many questions I have. Thank you. Thank you. No further questions to.

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This applicant, you may move on. Thank you. I do have, as I said, the current lensey jack here.

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uh If anyone has any questions of him, but if not I'm just going to directly call my two character.

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Witnesses he consents okay, then I would call jerry and daryl if.

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You both just want to come up and take these two seats right here.

R

Please we'll start with jerry uh jerry. Can you please state your name spelling your last name.

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And address for the record: uh it's jerry, bimal, b, m n t h. L, my address is 11 wally court lutherville.

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Maryland 21093, and can you tell this board how you know tulsi um I met tulsi in 2019, he came.

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To me, looking for a uh business, he told me he was direct. The executive chef at the goucher.

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College and he wanted to get his own restaurant, so he started to look for restaurants at that.

N

Time time we had a couple things we looked at, um nothing came about until sparos came up.

N

About 6 months ago- and he ps has been pursuing that since then so is that, is it accurate to.

R

Say that you know him in a professional capacity. Yes, okay and you said you've known him since 2019.

R

Correct, yes, okay, and during that time, have you found tulsi to be a trustworthy and responsible.

R

Person absolutely were you present, and did you hear all of his testimony here today? I did do.

R

You believe that he is a fit and proper person to hold a liquor license. Yes, are you familiar.

R

With the location of sparos, I am I've eaten there several times. uh I've always had good.

N

Meals um and uh it's a very good location, I think he'll do very well there. Do you believe that it.

R

Would be a benefit to the public to continue having a restaurant with a liquor license at.

R

That location, absolutely with his background and and and being a chef uh he he will be able to.

N

Have serve great food and with that there will be people that will want to have an alcoholic.

N

Beverage, you know with their dinners, um so I think it'll be a big plus for the manchester hamstead.

N

Area, thank you. That concludes my questions for uh mr blumenthal. Unless anyone on the board has any.

R

Questions I just want to clarify, sir, so I take it you're a business consultant of some sort. Yes,.

N

Restaurant restaurant- I only I sell restaurants and bars and been doing it since 19 76. Okay, thank.

N

You any other question next. Thank you. I would next call mr daryl green daryl. Can you please.

R

State, your name spelling your last name and your address for the record sure uh daryl, green g, reen.

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uh Address 126 gentle brook road, o wis mills 21117, mr green. How do you know tulsi? um I met.

U

Tulsi in 2020, um when I started working with uh with jerry and um um as a colleague and.

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Was very very involved with tulsi in looking for um opportunities for him and um when the spargo.

U

Opportunity came about, um we worked very closely and um um it seemed like it would be the best fit.

U

For um his experience and what he was looking for, so you also know tulsi in a professional.

R

Capacity is that correct, that's correct and you said you've known him since 2020. That's correct.

R

Have you during that time in knowing tulsi have you found him to be a trustworthy and.

R

Responsible person very much so um and I'll just add, we come across a lot of people that want to.

U

Buy restaurants, um tulsi really has stood out with his um his professional background and.

U

Through this whole, his professionalism um really exceeds what we're usually used to. So I have no.

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Qualms at all that he's going to be very, very successful here and do you believe that he is.

R

A fit and proper person to hold a liquor license absolutely are: are you familiar with the location.

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Of sparos, yes, I've been there a number of times. Do you also believe that it would be a benefit to the.

R

Public to continue having a restaurant at that location with a liquor license. Yes, those are my.

R

Only questions of mr green, unless the board has any I have questions, no questions. Thank.

R

You very much mr green and mr blumenthal. You can you're welcome to have a have a seat not in the.

R

Hot seat anymore. That concludes my presentation of testimony. If the board has any follow-up questions.

R

Of any witnesses, they're obviously still available, but that does conclude my presentation. Thank you.

A

Thank you. I see there are other people that were sworn in to testify. If th it's.

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The time if you will come forward state your name and address you, the mic stand up the.

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Microphone state, your name and address and spell your last name for the record.

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3153 I'm having a concern with the outside place, where they have people coming out to.

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Smoke and drink and the noise level that is uh attenuated from also there is gain cornhole.

V

Where it is extremely distruptive, I don't have a problem with people being here lately or late.

V

However, okay, I'm glad something's, not my fault. uh The noise level is atrocious at times. If you.

V

Are going to be going to work, you cannot sleep through until the restaurant closes and or those.

V

People leave that area; they do not always leave. It willingly remain in the area until well. After.

V

The closing time I have had trash in my yard, I have had property destruction and I am just.

V

Concerned that this is going to continue with with a new owner, otherwise jack has been a fantastic.

V

Person in the count in the in the town- and he has done well, the restaurant is fantastic. The.

V

Food is good, breakfasts are wonderful. My main concern is with the outside. There is a door on.

V

Two doors down going out that says no alcoholic beverages beyond this place, alcoholic beverages.

V

Are out there and I have seen people served, the alcoholic b beverages there not just bring them.

V

Out to finish them with their cigarettes, so if you can help me with that, I'd appreciate it. I also.

V

Work for car uh catherine's cause- I am a paramedic of 30 years with manchester and with lboro thank.

V

You any questions this so so the in so there's a outside part to downstairs where they also eat and.

G

Drink so when sorry state state your name and address for the record, please jaar rava 3834.

K

White quot manchester maryland 21102, I'm the previous owner there. So marian was reporting.

K

To there's a patio in the back was allow us to smoking at one time, but also there's they.

K

Can take the drinks out cuz before they keep the drinks in somebody raised the issue. If somebody.

K

Leave the drinks inside at the bar and take the smoke out say if somebody put something their.

K

Drinks, they didn't feel comfortable, so we came up here. They allow us, okay, they can take the drinks.

K

Out there, but there's a gate. I mean pillars. We have signed with both pillars: drinks, not.

K

Allowed beyond that point, so there is allowed drinks up there on the patio but not be on, but.

K

Yes, so do you still allow smoking on that patio? Yes, ma'am, it's open! Is that a thing it's open.

K

Outside, if you go, I'm going to call it an alley: it's probably a street but there's an alley behind.

A

The parking behind the restaurant parallel to main street and there's limited parking area.

A

Behind this establishment, some on the other side of the alley and as you go into what they call two.

A

Doors down, if you go in downstairs, there's a small patio area to the rear of the building, which is.

A

What he's speaking of, if you go into the building there, there's a there's, the bar and tables, and so.

A

Forth there go upstairs to the restaurant, okay, but there's a small patio area. Well, that's my.

G

Question in the patio area that is still part of the business is smoking allowed, even if it's.

E

Outside it's outdo outside smoke yeah, but I I thought there was like no business. I didn't think.

G

You could smoke, no, it's there's, but there's no way to stop anybody. There signs posted there, no drinks.

G

Beyond this, people still go beyond that point with drinks. Apparently no was her testimony shaking her.

G

Head as I asked okay so as gentleman asked earlier, so there's two entr to the business. If you come.

K

Into the bar, you can enter from the back to from the alley. If you going into the dining room, you go.

K

From the main street, you don't even know, there's bar in this place. That's the way I put it together.

K

When I put it together, so there's people smoking out there, there's drinks outside going back to.

K

The cornholes we do have cornholes there. It's not every day. If few people there they take the boards.

K

10:00 we cut them up, we own those bags. We take the bags in the bend no bag even couple years ago,.

K

And we have issue with the noise, we even said no drinks on the patio after certain time. I'm sorry.

H

After 7, after certain time, like 10 11:00, you see the bar's busy the barend to do not all drinks on.

K

The patio after that is this patio fenced in yes, sir, what kind of fence do you have? Is a black arm.

K

Fence actually have fake iv on if you're driving through the alley, you don't even see anybody.

K

There, it's probably about 10 8 to 10 feet tall. No, it's quite is a privacy fence or just a a.

H

A post type of fence I mean it, has it is privacy somewhat. You can't see into that's what I'm saying.

E

Can you see through the fence, no okay, that would the not with the ivy the fake ivy up there and.

R

Just to clarify what I think jack just said um when that was when that outdoor area was added.

R

A request was made to the board to expand the license premises and that all went through the.

R

Normal course back when that was approved, um and I I would I can't say what the answer is, but I'd.

R

Ask mr benfer if there have been any violations as a result of anything we've heard, um no, there's no.

E

Violations, we did talk a couple times. I've talked to jack, um we sat down with the manchester police.

E

Department and the city administrator and aired how you it was after the air, the differences out.

E

A you know, and since then I've not had any calls from the manchester police department.

R

And I think this goes without saying, but I'll say it anyways that my client is will be a new l at.

R

This establishment has not had the opportunity to manage this establishment yet to see how it will.

R

Change or if it will change as a result of that management and all of the testimony presented.

R

Has been that he is a fit and proper person to hold this license. So I appreciate the concerns.

R

That have been expressed, I know that he will take those to heart and consider those and how.

R

This establishment is managed and speak with jack about any pr practices that he has done over the.

R

Years to prevent any issues, the goal here is to be a good neighbor. um I have also made him familiar.

R

With this board's rules and regulations specific to noise and music and um disturbing the public.

R

As well so he is, he is familiar with those and aware of those and understands that he will have.

R

To comply with those from an inspection standpoint as well. I take it. Mr gir, you agree with council's.

H

Representation any other questions. Thank you, sir. Is there anyone else to testify on behalf.

A

Of this matter, if not, I have a I'm sorry. Mr chairman, I do have a couple of questions of.

H

Of mr giri, um do you have any other employment uh in addition to you're working? uh Should you.

H

Get the license in the restaurant s do, which will this be the only employment that you have owning.

H

The restaurant? Yes, okay, that's only question. I have any questions inspector. Do you have any.

A

Comments to make, I do not have any comments with that testimony. Evidence is now closed. Would you.

A

Like to make any summary remarks very briefly, I appreciate everyone being here today. um Mr.

R

Gir's testimony um when and in speaking to me about this case, I was just overwhelmed with his.

R

Experience in the industry and the restaurant industry and the hospitality industry- and I.

R

Do think that we have only proven that he's a fit and proper person to hold a license will.

R

Take this incredibly seriously um is invested in seeing spargo succeed and continue in the town.

R

Of manchester and I'm excited to give it a try under his new ownership at some point, hopefully.

R

In the very near future, so um with that, I would request that this board grant the transfer of.

R

License for the class be beer wine and liquor conditioned, of course, on any um outstanding.

R

Government approvals in terms of permitting our health department that need to be issued. Thank.

R

You dror benford any closing comments. No, I do not with excuse me with that uh testimony evidence is.

A

uh Complete uh just one comment that uh I would like to make. uh Mr gary, you have a blue ribbon.

A

Extensive background, in culinary events, I hope you take your responsibilities with alcohol as.

A

Serious, as you have shown that you do with your uh many management positions and executive se,.

A

Positions with that commissioners, you've heard the testimony and the application pre presentation. We.

A

Will now decide the fate of the presentation? Do you have any final comments or anything before.

H

Well, mr chairman, I have a few comments, um uh as as usual council has presented an excellent case.

H

On behalf of her client uh and I come away with the a distinct feeling that this applicant is.

H

A fit and proper person to hold the license um deeply professional, the um character witnesses.

H

um I guess you could say have the advantage of having a business relationship with with uh the.

H

Gentleman and um have the utmost regard for him as a person and as a a businessman. uh I uh the.

H

Testimony presented regarding the policies and practices that you uh will institute or maintain.

H

um No vertical ids carding everyone, um knowledge of a diversion program, making sure your employees.

H

Know about the diversion program, keeping an incident log and having an employee handbook.

H

All those practices and policies make this board very comfortable uh with an applicant or licy.

H

Makes us comfortable that you are going to run a very professional establishment and.

H

uh The uh oh also your policy of having every server and uh tips or tam certified or alcohol.

H

Management certified is very important in the eyes of the board. um uh I think.

H

You're a fit and proper person, and uh I would uh wholeheartly agree with council to uh endorse your.

H

Application, I agree with everything commissioner barnhard has stated um your background is.

G

Impressive, my only hope would be that moving forward. You would take into consideration the.

G

Concerns of the neighbors- um and you know maybe even set up a meeting to address that with them.

G

If, if that's something moving forward that you could nip in the bud and and make you know that.

G

Your the people that you share the street with more comfortable, of course. um That being said,.

G

I would be prepared to make a motion if it so pleases. The chairman, please do uh case 6468 an.

G

Application to transfer the class b beer, bine and liquor license from spargo inc to gandaki.

G

Operating llc um to be issued to tulsi g, I move that we approve the transfer of that license.

H

I second that motion motion been properly made and seconded that this board approved.

A

The application to transfer a class b beer wine and liquor license from spargo's inc to gandaki.

A

Operating company llc to be issued to tulsi giri for the use of gandaki operating company.

A

Llc trading as sparkos and two doors down pub and grill at 3165 main street in manchester.

A

Maryland all those in favor of the motion signify by saying I I oppose no so order. Congratulations.

A

Sir best wishes we look forward to uh continuing success of sparos. I just have one question: how.

A

In the world, are you going to keep track of all that breakfast menu on there? It's a book good.

A

Lord you've got everything from eggs benedict to you name it well, and I understand I've never.

A

Been there for breakfast, but I've been there many times for lunch and and dinner and and.

A

Of course, there's a was not mentioned, but there's a local service club that.

A

Has their ann their monthly meetings there, so uh that says well of the the establishment so.

A

Congratulations best wishes. Good luck! If you have any questions, as I'm sure miss kelly, will.

A

Tell you don't hesitate to contact either our inspectors or joe at the office they'll.

A

Be glad to help you in any way they can thank you, be sure and keep the cinnamon [laughter].

M

Pancakes. Thank you very much. Thank you.

K

I'd like to thank the luer board, allow me to run the business for 39 years in that time. Yeah thank.

K

You thank you and good wishes in your retirement or whatever you're about to do. Hopefully,.

K

Nothing never reti. What is the first one hampstead, okay, somebody here from there.

Q

Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Everybody. Thank you. Good.

A

With that, the next item of business we have here is a request from from the town.

A

Of hamstead for a one- day license for a beer garden. Whoever is going to represent them come.

A

Forward have a seat state, your name and address for the record. Please. My name is jim roor and I.

W

Reside at 3805 sunnyfield court in hamstead maryland, 21074, okay and you want a one day.

A

License for a beer garden at the fall fest, where is it going to be held in the fall? Fest is going.

W

To be held in hampstead right on the edge of main street at the war memorial plaza combined.

W

With the parking lot of st john's church and the lot of matthew tag and title entire company, how.

A

Are you going to uh make maintain alcohol sales and so on so forth? So there was a picture that.

W

Was supplied with the application showing the layout of where the bureau garden will be.

W

There are two buildings facing main street in the matthews lot. One is the actual car service.

W

Center, the other is the building for the tital company. There's a small walkway between the two.

W

That will be a gated entrance for people to come in at that gate. Ids will be checked as.

W

I heard in the last last um hearing no vertical ids every that we will check. You know they don't.

W

Own everyone, if I went in, I would get carded um and there's one other area of access that.

W

Will be blocked off by two tents: one will be serving beer, the other will be selling soft.

W

Pretzels and behind that there will be vehicles parked so there'll be no access there. So the only.

W

Way in or out will be through that gated mann entrance, um the beer is, is being provided and.

W

Served by pipe theide brewing company, which is a local hamstead, brewery um carol and tim.

W

Gorsuch own that business and themselves and their staff will be manning. The beer.

W

Garden and there'll be no alcohol outside the beer g, absolutely just.

G

Inside- and this is your first time for this event, this is this- is our first time adding a beer.

W

Garden to the event, this is will be the third year that we've had the fall fest um each year. It's.

W

Gotten a little larger, and so this year there's a there's. A committee called the mainst stre.

W

Committee in hamstead that oversees this event and they decided they would like to add a beer garden.

W

um To it this year, so we're keeping it a very small size and small hours only 9 to2. I would.

W

Not expect much business early on in the event, um but um it's just an added part to the fall fest.

F

Day will main street be closed? It will not will not. I looked at the.

A

Diagram and didn't pay attention to it. No, uh the only thing that will be closed is.

W

The little dog leg on black rock road that basically runs behind st john's.

W

Church any other questions at gentlemen yeah, if not good luck. Thank you is there.

A

Any objections to issuing the license: no objection, no okay, dop. Thank you, sir. Thank.

A

You, if you're all not doing anything on october 7th, come out and join us for fall.

W

Fest. Thank you. Yes, sir. Thank you. Good luck. Thank you. Okay. We have a one-day liquor.

A

License request for an indoor outdoor event by carol hospital foundation for their pink.

A

Fling neither one has pink on mercy. Okay, I think on my a little bit. Ladies, please.

A

Those microphones, you can pull in front of you state your name and address for.

A

The record please, uh my name is brenda frasier. My address is 506, yellow lily court westminster.

X

Maryland 21158 I'm trisha wagman. I live at 153 east green street westmin maryland.

Y

21157, okay, you want to have a one day, liquor license correct and where is it.

A

Going to be, it will be at the union mills homestead at the union. Mills.

A

Homestead and the hours are from what 11 to 2, and you have a specialty drink, is that right is.

H

This going to be a specialty drink, we will have a specialty drink. uh Champagne in white wine.

H

But there will be other beverages available, other non-alcoholic beverages available, but not that's.

H

The only alcoholic beverage, the only alcoholic beverage mhm yeah and the entire campus people.

H

Can walk the entire of union mills? Yes, that'll be open to all of our attendees. I mean that they.

H

Can take the uh shamp wine, champagne and and just walk throughout the yes, and how are you serving it.

X

We have two professional bartenders, uh we have country cafe as our caterer and they have two.

X

Professional bartenders that will be serving it: okay and the c carding policy. You probably it's.

X

An over 21 event, so all of the attendees will be over 21, okay, so so tickets are only available to.

H

People over 21 correct correct. How do you verify that a great question? We have never had the you.

X

Know with it mostly being survivors of breast cancer, we really haven't had any. We can require.

X

The bartenders to card, in addition to that's, not a problem at all, they would be able to do that if.

H

The professional bartenders, uh I would give them a discretion if they feel someone is under sure, 30.

H

Years old sure y, the majority are, you know older than that, just because of the nature of the how.

A

Many people do you expect to attend 200 200 yeah 200. It sounds like a good event to me and I have.

H

No objection and I I wish it best. Thank you. It's been an event. That's been going on for well over.

X

15 years we've just never had to apply because we've been in places like martins or somewhere.

X

Where they've done it on their own, so you've just answered my next question. I thought it's.

A

Been for years it has been for years. That's why I was like. Oh I've never had to do this.

X

Before I just want to point out for disclosure trish- and I are familiar with each other- we.

G

Worked at the hospital together for a million years million million years ago, so true, so this.

A

Drink your servant, is it going to be pink, it's a sort, a faint pink. It's um an elderberry syrup with.

Y

um Vodka and a splash of um club soda, I think you should come, try it jim. You have to explain.

A

That to me, what what's a what vodka and what um it's elderberry syrup, there's a a survivor who.

Y

Started a business she's at the farmers market. She sells elderberry syrup that you can use on foods.

Y

Or in drinks or it's, um the elderberry flower originally is found in europe and that's where.

Y

She gets the flowers right now and now local growers, because she's been selling the product.

Y

They going to start to grow the flowers locally, so she can make her elderberry syrup. So it's kind.

Y

Of exciting it's a w that she is a survivor and she has this new business opportunity so we're.

A

Letting her do that. I was just curious, jim on the farm we get rid of them: el elderberry, bushes, real.

A

Quick, oh w could be an opportunity to meet her and see if she'd like to buy some of your plants. Any.

A

Other question these, ladies: no, I have consumed el elder brey wine in the past and it is pretty.

O

Tasty, no other questions comments or anything. Thank you for coming good luck and we hope you.

A

Have a very successful event. Thank you so much so much do we need I apologize. Do we.

X

Need to will we receive something for it or is it just documented in the courthouse.

X

How does it's our first time it's on the record? Okay, so so we're good. It's on the.

H

Record the license you need, we need get a license. You'll get a license, get your.

Y

A license. Okay! Thank you, perfect great. Okay, thank you. Thank you all very much.

A

Okay, you got one left: where are they at 215? Oh, you going to do them at 215. No carol rebels is.

E

Got pushed back over car rebel. I know that I was think, and you mentioned it.

A

Earlier, it's 2:15 is there anything else to be brought before this board at this time, a.

A

Couple things: okay, one just uh last friday, keith and I keith and well jim- was there.

C

But he wasn't in the meeting. um We are now reporting to tim burke. Instead of roberta, we.

C

Are now part of the county attorney's office? Oh, was that right? Well, we've got part of the.

A

County attorney's office right here here he knows, what's going on n melvin bale knows more than he.

C

Does I won't answer that not reply to that? um The other thing is, I know, we've discussed the.

C

Character, references and initially we thought we had to do legislation, but then we realized.

C

There isn't anything in the maryland state code that requires those 10 character, references so.

C

Are we just going to make a rule change that, instead of asking for 10 character,.

C

References to call that we will require three character. References to come testify. I thought.

A

We discussed this before that we would still request 10 names written and three to testify.

C

But no calls okay, um one won't say no calls at it's up to your discretion. Oh okay, but still.

A

Request 10 names and three to testify. Okay, so the application specifically says must.

H

Include 10 character, references right, yes, so that stays the same. But now should our.

H

Application, or or how are we going to make the world uh aware that we will require three live.

C

And would be added to the instructions of the application, the application, okay.

H

Yeah, so our rules are silent on that, so, but it's in our application actually there. I think.

C

It's in the rule book somewhere that, u you know, they're supposed to have two or three character.

C

Witnesses attend oh at a hearing yeah, but I thought there was a a state rule saying.

E

There 10 people have to agree that they reviewed the application right. Yeah, there's a state law.

E

That we don't have a review the application, but we figured out that didn't we, that that was the.

C

Old requirement for the people who lived in the, I don't think we ever figured that out. District.

E

In precin, no, I don't. I don't think that's for. I thought that my my the way I read it was for.

E

Not you know you're saying for prop proper place. I think that's for the character, references, yeah.

H

I think the state law had a requirement that there be included in the application that there.

H

Are 10 character, witnesses who affirm a number of things one was they read the application which.

H

Are we don't do um and that they affirm that, to best of their knowledge, the information in the.

H

Application is true, which we don't do. We we're just doing character witnesses, so our rules say.

G

That care qualifying applicants, references must reside in carol county. Is that still a thing? No.

G

Now it's the state of maryland, that's already been changed on the okay. So do we need to then submit.

C

Legislation, well, we have the legal iggles here uh you say.

A

We don't and then one m says we do so. What's the.

A

Interpretation, if we still request the 10 names and three who appear is that not in compliance.

A

With the existing law, I think it is nothing in there says you got to call 10 people, it.

A

Says you must submit 10 people correct so if you're still going to submit 10 people.

A

10 names and three of them have to appear that can be a local rule. Okay, but my question is: if.

E

You submit 10 names and we don't call them how we know they even exist. I think we should have.

E

Them sign something saying that they known the person for this many years they what I can find.

C

Out if they exist simply by looking up their address because they list their name address.

C

Phone number- I I think um ke was talking about being leaning more into compliance with the state.

H

Law by having uh right now, we have a form that they sign right um and it's submitted with the.

H

Application well, the applicant signs it not not the char, not the character. The applicant gives me.

C

The names okay, but it's a form that that has the he the applicant, is providing this information.

H

To you and that information um doesn't include what the state law requires, that they have read.

H

The application and that they agree it's true and correct, so maybe we can consider adjusting.

H

What we require on application, uh in addition to just 10 names, but doesn't the applicant affirm on.

H

The penalties of perjury that the information provided is correct in the application there's.

A

Your kicker my opinion, so if if the applicant is providing it, then it's being provided to us on.

H

Under under oath, so I I guess we can consider that a a my question to you all would simply be this.

A

There's applications that were submitted today. How long have you known the applicant one of them, the.

A

First, one was 20 years and then it went down from there considerably to maybe two years or one year.

A

Or something like that? Okay, so the gentleman just left here had an extensive pedigree of where he.

A

Served and has served okay, but the names of the references on there. Nobody knows none of us here.

A

Knows and they swear under the penalty of purgy, that.

A

These are actual people at actual addresses. Well, for these two, I did.

A

Well, my point is that if they perger themselves and just list john, do it.

A

Whatever it is, whether you call or whether you don't call they're on the.

A

Hook the judge says: did you do this? If you did do this, you did it did. You know this is the actual.

A

Person, or did you blah blah, don't know anyway and the the form that they fill out. They fill.

C

Out the name, the phone number the address and how many years now the applicant fil that's what they.

C

Submit with the application right right, but then we asked the question: are they fit and proper and.

E

Has it been personal or professional professional? Now I don't know if that's required in the state.

E

Law, but I know fit and proper is required in the state law and I'll just make a simple comment: did.

A

You ever get one back said no they're, not fitting proper. I think we got one. I got one who said she.

C

Didn't feel qualified to answer that question and that was on rebecca sweeney. If you remember.

C

Her here here come on with a beer. Okay, what are we going to do we're just sitting here, spinning.

A

Wheels, I say we still require them to give me all the information on the 10 people require.

C

Three come in and testify and let the threat of perjury hold them accountable. I thought.

A

What thought that's, what we decided previously and if three people don't come in and testify.

B

And and there's not the good cause for one of the three not to be here. Are you going.

B

To reject the application yeah, you need to decide that, because you'll be starting that.

E

But I think other this 10, we should make sure they say they're fit and proper. The.

E

Questions we ask we should they should fill on that form. Writing me on this nobody's.

C

Going to say, they're, not fitting proper okay, I'm just trying to go by what the.

E

State law requires yeah, yeah, see, that's that's enough. State law requires that they read the.

H

Application, you know and they don't read the application. No, they don't even see the.

A

Damn thing right: I'm I'm just thinking, I'm I'm going back to what I just said said. If we reject.

B

Somebody for having two character witnesses here and not three: how how are we going to.

B

How how do I justify that in circuit court? I'm just you know asking, because we we're going to.

B

Say you're not getting your application is denied. Appliation says you, you required to have three and.

B

You know, there's no wiggle room, it's subjective, two or three, I'm just saying I'm, I'm in circuit.

B

Court I got to explain to a judge we're rejecting somebody for two witnesses and we don't reject it.

E

We just table for next month, oh to give them a chance to get the other person back. Okay, fine,.

E

And then, if then, then, if that's what we're doing then okay, but then, if if they don't bring the.

E

Three or they don't bring the one, then I think we can reject it, reject it. Okay, I think that'.

E

Be stronger in the eyes of c court, we gave an opportunity. Okay. That sounds reasonable to me. I.

B

Can go along with that. We gave him a chance. It's in the application. We told him to have three. We.

B

G, we continued it to get the third person I I can work with that. I I think the argument.

H

That we have is that what the applicant submits series of names uh isn't nearly as convincing.

H

As having someone sit before us um and testify under penalties of perjury, that they know the.

H

Person fit and proper and all this kind of thing that's that's more comforting to us and and.

H

And fulfilling our obligation that we not issue a license to someone who is not clearly fit and.

H

Proper, just the 10 names which we're requiring now. I don't think that amounts to much or it's.

H

Not very convincing, so this is just a little extra extra safeguard that we're thinking about.

H

Adding if we, if, if we do what keith said and continue to case for another month, to get the.

B

Third person in or maybe you know, two people in then I think it's you know more sense. That would.

H

Be your legal advice to us and we would follow it yeah. That's my legal advice. What keith said.

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That's exactly right, why would remember quote remember this day day and time what keith says.

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I like that, I, like that legal advice, I'm good with that and without that I'm like oh and you.

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Can ask the three people, have you reviewed the application you want to arn in the far here's.

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The iron in the far you had two people testify today. What did you ask them? Their occupation.

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Was they were business consultants and they had a professional relationship with this gentleman.

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Their professional relationship was to sell that restaurant and that's.

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Where they found their customer and they were testifying on his fitness to serve.

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Because just making a point and it's something that that we can consider that there was they.

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Had a an a financial interest in the approval of the license, that's exactly right! Meanwhile,.

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Is that what we're that's, what we're just going to do? 10 names three to testify and as our esteemed.

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Colleague said, if only two show up we'll postpone it to the next meeting, if they don't show up, then.

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Then now my steen colleague right, I think he about 10 about 10. I said it first, we don't want.

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Any misunderstanding here from you: don't have a law, you don't have a law degree. He does. I.

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Do you have a law degree yeah police law, yeah, you can't even touch. You can't even touch this lady up.

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Here we had a little little just a little problem. The other day at one of the gates.

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And your colleagues from balmer county, you know what their instructions were do the best you can.

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But don't under any circumstances touch him so what was used to have there? Okay, that's.

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Police law: okay, anything else! If not what time we coming back, 145 joe, yes 145! This me is j to.

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All right, ladies and gentlemen, we will call this meeting back to order our 145.

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Agenda hearing is a proposal for our alcoholic beverages. Awareness program currently there's.

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No requirement for a license holder to have someone on the premises that has successfully.

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Completed alcohol awareness training, the current law only requires that the license.

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Holder have one person who has successfully completed alcohol awareness training and that.

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Person does not need to be on the premises. This proposal requests that someone always.

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Be on the licensed premises, who has completed an alcohol awareness program and the justification.

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For this proposal is that the liquor board would like to require all establishments to.

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Have someone who has successfully completed an alcohol awareness training program on the.

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Premises at all times, alcohol awareness program is divided in maryland code ab section 3- 504 is.

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An important and effective tool in the prevention of underage sales and over service of alcoholic.

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Beverages having personnel at all times on the premises trained in alcohol, manag, m techniques.

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Is a public safety enhancement 10 counties in maryland currently have such a statutory.

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Requirement this is proposed to have an effective date of july 1st 2024 under the established, but.

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Programmed per law a license holder or an individual designated by the license holder.

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Who is employed in a supervisor capacity shall be one certified by an approved.

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Alcohol awareness program and two present on the licensed premises during the hours.

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In which alcoholic beverages may be sold, 2 a or 2 b, a license holder who violates.

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A section is subject to one: a first offense, a $100, fine and two for each subsequent offense.

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A fine not exceeding $500 or a suspension or revocation of the license or both at.

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Least one lense e or ever license shall keep a current certificate, reflecting the completion.

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Of an alcohol awareness training course at all times that the lensey is included on the license.

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This is the proposed change for carol county, which reflects a similar request, as already.

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In effect, in 10 counties of which vulnerable or howard, montgomery and frederick county or among.

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Those are there any.

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Questions any comments please come to the microphone, identify yourself for the.

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Record p, sammy is 152 east main street westminster uh president of the uh local.

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uh Liquor association, um if this passes, which I think you're going to have to think about.

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Spreading out the implementation of this law, when we did this at mslb, when some of those.

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Other counties now that they're bigger a lot of them were biger, bigger, montgomery, prince.

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George's, whatever uh there wasn't enough classes to train everybody uh right and right now, I know.

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The county is doing it and you're doing two per month, but I don't know I guess: you'd have to go.

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Out and and survey the lenses and see how many people they need to be certified, but everybody.

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Kind of waits the last couple months and then you get to crunch time. So it's just something.

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Something to think about there. um My other comment is, I think um there going to there.

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It has been um instances in the past where you know people try to to keep uh certified people.

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There and an emergency comes up, you know if you only if you're small store- and you only got two.

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People on duty and one's trained and one's not and somebody gets a call for an emergency to.

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Go home, um I think that should be taken into account um before you levy these fines, which I.

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Think are excessive. Really, u my my mind, um so I think I'd like you to think about the penalties.

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One1 to $500, that's that's a big jump and how many, how much time you need to implement the.

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Program, so that's on that's my two comments, mr barnes and his manager. Christian are here.

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Too, just a note, uh mr samios, in the past nine months, our training program has trained over.

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250 servers, that's just ours. I know there are several other programs, tips and tams that have.

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Been conducted at other restaurants in the county, so we're probably approaching 300.

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People you could eat more. I I just mention that to you for your information, mr barnes, please name.

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And address uh darren, barnes, uh 813 snowfall way, westminster, maryland um house of liquors.

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So yeah, I I reiterate what pete said. um I I I think it's a good idea. It sounds good and all.

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But I think we'll to think about implementation and maybe stagger some of this stuff in as pete.

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And I were talking you look four year, it's good for four years, so I've been certified like seven.

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Times the problem we run into like one we c, we certify everybody all at the same time, all of.

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A sudden in in four years, I've got everybody, that's taking the class, but nobody certified.

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So I'd like you to take some of consideration some of the businesses I mean we already got a.

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Lot of government red tape go through and then, when you're making the schedule one you got to.

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Go through and count who's got what all the time that's just another. It's not that it can't be done.

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I'm sure it can't, but then then, when it comes time to get the classes, which I do think two a.

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Month is a lot better than it was. You know, t's, not kind of having classes like they used to, and there.

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Is online, although we did one online, but I don't know that one kind of disappeared yeah take the.

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Test so and bu only request of the board is to consider a lot of this before we just jump and.

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Do it, um especially with the smaller stores I mean they got? U they I mean. I just looked up the other.

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Day at house of liquors I've been there since 1989 and I've had close to a thousand employees. There.

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Over that period of time- and you know just do the math on the logistics and then the people that I.

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Get certified today, they're, probably not going to be working for me in two years. You know 80% of the.

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Staff's part-time, so the problem you have is, is you get them there and you got good intentions.

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And you're, like okay, this guy drives a truck during the day, can't go to that class. You know.

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You know my grandma's in the hospital. I can't go to that. So couple of the ideas that I have is you.

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Know, let's go to the state or whatever and make the make it six years instead of four. You know.

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Four years is pretty quick, I mean I can almost do the class myself. I've taken it so many times.

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um So, although I got a couple questions wrong the other day, but one oh one, okay, that was a trick. One.

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Though, but I do think they're doing a good job in having more and making them a little more.

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Affordable cuz, I mean I don't want to get into the dollars. That's not really the biggest thing.

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But it does add up too and then also the time consumed and trying to make schedules and bounce.

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Around like at at the restaurant or whatever that shouldn't be an issue because we have.

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So many people having somebody their own staff's, probably going to be not a problem. You know even.

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The liquor stores, but I would say you know a lot of these liquor stores at night I mean you might.

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Get down to two people and a lot of those people are part-time and if you happen to get strapped.

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We can't always I'm not saying it's not a good thing, I'm just saying just going and mandating.

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It without kind of thinking it through- I you know, I think, eventually we can get this done. It's just.

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You know, maybe we up to you, know how many people you know you want more than one person in the.

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Whole establishment certified, obviously that's the rule now, maybe there's a happy medium for now till.

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We can work our way to mandating things, I'm not a big fan of mandate and stuff, because there's.

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Always a couple people that are going to have a problem. You know I personally don't feel like.

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We'll have a huge problem, but it still becomes another thing that we have to deal with and we.

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Are trying to deal with it, I'm trying to get as many people done as I can right now. You know like.

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um You know the one store I mean we had everybody done and all of a sudden nobody was done. You know.

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So you know getting them in right now we're in the process I'm getting getting that done. I.

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Really don't have anything else I mean I I had. The only question I had was like you were saying that.

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It was 10, other counties have done it or they're, looking at doing it. No and have it have have done.

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It okay, so I mean, I guess, thought we could look at that. You know over a period of time and see.

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How that's going before we have to always follow the leader, you know and may, if they had any issues.

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Maybe we take a little look at it. um You guys are the boss, I'm just giving you my opinion. Okay, thank.

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You name is christian or uh 575 sunshine way and u license holder house of liquors work for darren.

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um And really, I just mostly want to piggyback their comments, um and I you know, I think, from.

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What they said, this isn't necessarily something we wouldn't like to see. We, we would love our staff.

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To all fully be certified, I think at all times- and you know ever since, since I've been working.

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In house of liquors, we've always strived to make sure every manager key holder, you know, um would.

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Would be certified at all times, which, generally speaking, would satisfy the rule. You know the.

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Keyh holder, the manager, one person would be there with a key at all times, and so we would hope that.

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They would be certified, but I do see issues that you know darren brought up. You know often times.

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We'll get a whole group of employees certified at the same time. Well then, they all come up at once.

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And that you know the next time you go to do that it might not be convenient, so it can just produce.

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Some logistical hurdles there, but also peta, mentioned emergency situations. I would guess.

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That almost every liquor store in carol county opens and closes with just two people. There's.

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Exceptions to those rules certain days, certain stores, but I would guess almost every single.

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Liquor store opens and closes with two people, so I just foresee opening on a thursday morning or a.

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Friday morning, my key holder, who is certified c ified, calls with an emergency, and I can't get a.

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Certified second body there, and then you know mr pand, mr benford walk in hey who's certified here.

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Today, well, we did everything we could we scheduled it that way, and maybe I couldn't come in to fill.

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In or somebody couldn't so the intention is there, um but then that kind of brings me to looking at.

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The rule proposal- it's almost like the idea- would be to have everybody certified at all times and.

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I have no problem with that either, but under current structure and how off like how onerous.

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It is to attend these seminars having everybody certified. Is it it's difficult? So if we made it.

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Easier for the stores and the restaurants and all that to do this, I don't think you have any.

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Objections from anybody and I think everybody would be able to complete it. I just think we.

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Should have this in a fairly, I don't mean easy test or easy information that they have to learn.

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But we should make this an easy process, so my ideal situation would be the first day of a new.

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Hire I hire mr pand, he comes in we're like this is your first day we go through a little training.

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We do a lot of things that the liquor board talks about. We have them sign a thing. We explain what.

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Happens when you serve somebody who's underage, we have them sign their paper. We let them know about.

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The incentive program, and then they sit down and they watch their two or three or 4 hour, video that.

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Trains them they take the test right there and they start their first day certified and I think.

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That would also benefit the board, and the entire idea of what we're trying to do is serve less.

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People who were underage and if everybody started their first day certified, but that's only going.

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To happen, if we make it super easy and they can do it inhouse in the buildings you know in in the you.

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Know the store that they're being hired by. But if everybody started day one certified, wouldn't that.

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Be the best of all worlds for everybody, you know um I I I just think that should be what we shoot.

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For but that also kind of piggybacks on their idea that maybe we should stagger this come.

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Up with a process that really works- and I mean I don't think any of us are standing here saying we.

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We don't want certified staff members, we really do and you know we don't want to serve underage.

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People and um you I, I just think we should work together on it and and come up with a process that.

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Makes sense um so that's you know, I think the yeah I I I just mostly worried about emergency.

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Situations and- and um you know I've got I- I need to be certified for my fifth time coming up. You.

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Know, as darren said, you know, I mean I've just done this a lot so um and um and- and I also think the.

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Idea that just the simple fact that other counties are doing, it doesn't necessarily mean it's a good.

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And right idea they probably enforce their laws differently than we do. I think there's fairly.

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Strict enforcement in carol county on a lot of laws, and there I mean- I don't know that you just.

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Don't know how other counties are necessarily doing it. I I would want to speak to people.

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That work in stores in those counties and and see how they feel about it. You know I don't. I.

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Don't think it's a bad idea. I just think like the idea that other people are doing it. Doesn't you.

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Know other people are doing things that we don't want to do so. That's not necessarily a positive.

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Just on its face for me, so um I think that's it. Thank you any other comments or questions by.

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Anybody pete just a strike too well follow up on christian's uh comment: uh if, if we could.

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Get some kind of tape that the store wanted to participate and do it that way? U and then the.

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County would facilitate given the test, even if they couldn't they might take a test right.

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There, but under state law, that's not good right now I mean it's good for practice, but.

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They can arrange to get to the next testing period that the county does and they do the.

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Property the test that might be something we can look at too temporary for 60 days or.

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Something official any just ide I'll say one more thing um I I want to get you know. I took the class.

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Last week I thought good it was it was, uh you know it was fairly expedient and not bad, and if we had.

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That going going, I feel pretty confident that it shouldn't be a problem to get everybody perfect.

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However, things change over time, the ball's done once you put this thing on the boook six years.

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From now, l board may decide not get this. You may not have that many opportunities all of a sudden.

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We're enforcing the law that we can't even get a class. I just like to make sure that we have.

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All this stuff up before we go mandating that oh you got to have somebody there. You know it's just.

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I can't reiterate enough as business how hard it is to jugle the ends and outs of everyone.

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Schedule all the time and then not only have to know whether they've been certified or when and.

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I I like the idea this this this thing, but I don't see how you guys can br give the test, but um you.

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Know mention I mean I think everybody there are. I know there are s, there's three people and they.

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Don't have any certification, but they they pay the price. You know, I think everybody's working.

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Towards the goal, I just don't like the thing that we got to do this right now and um you do.

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That's fine, but I just think that you know I don't think I'll have a problem. I'm kind.

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Speaking for other smaller places, they get a lot of turn over. It's really easy to lose. Two people.

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And then, next by yourself and you got to hire two new people and guess what you got to work all day.

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Cu they're not going to be certified instantly. It might take three weeks to get into a class.

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It's got to be done in person, you know so anyway, just toze. Something already said uh this could.

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Be a lot more owners on some businesses that other so a restaurant. I mean when you close.

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The restaurant you got five six people working, you got a couple: people in the kitchen, you got.

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Are person you got, you know you, you have a lot more people to pick from, they can have two out.

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Of those six, uh but just once again I mean most liquor- scores, have much smaller staffs compared.

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To a restaurant and we're opening closing with two people most and uh you know- and it's just really.

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You know, retail scheduling is, is difficult. All of these people are human beings with individual.

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Loges and schedules and tough things going on, and you know you know- maybe it's just on.

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My mind particularly sumer with the number st members and things going on, you know, surprise.

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Babies and different- I mean it's just you just never know on any given day, and uh you know we.

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Try our best to satisfy these rules. You know I just, I think, a little leeway um you know given.

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Towards you know the fact that we are trying appreci anything [music] else, think drke three.

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Three, would the board be against us asking the uh legislature to modify the years that certificate.

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Is good before, especially for somebody that's taken it in multile years. Other words instead.

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Of four years- maybe six years I don't know me- I give it. I give it an example. I I was in.

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The insurance business for 50 years we had to take it every 3 years until you reach 70 years.

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Of age, then, if you had been in business for 25 years or more, you didn't have to take it.

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Anymore, how many insurance bus you take everything.

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Online, you ain't 70 years old, yet.

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Dar looks are very deceiving. Let me tell you anything else, any comments. Well, my.

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Understanding that record is open for 30 days in which to receive comments. Is that.

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Correct or incorrect, if you want to do that, that's fine! Well, let's keep the record open.

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For 15 days to hear any other comments and it'll be scheduled for a vote tentatively.

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At our next meeting there are no other comments or questions. We appreciate you all coming. Thank.

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You thank you very much. uh Just one comment: uh you're nearby, frederick county, you might.

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Be surprised at the results you get from what they require up there. It's not one. It's.

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50%, I just pass that on to you 50%, you mean what 50% of their staff has to be.

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50% of their staff has to be licensed or not licensed ala county 100%. That's.

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The rule, I don't have more of a problem with the.

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Percentage have somebody there, you can try that there said stuff can happen. I mean I.

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Don't think they would come in at 5 and9 and do a double check, but I don't know you know.

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Don't um I still say the small scores: three people, four people 50%, that's two people, I'm.

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Not if there's no more comment or testimony, the record will now close for this hearing and we have.

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Some other business, I believe, thank you very much for coming your comments, we'll certainly take into.

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Consideration 215, did you say yes, can me do a quick? You want.

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Take a 5 minute recess: yeah do th h, yes, yeah! I can share what I have.

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We have a request from all right, chief and vp come on up how's. That is, that better request.

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From mcdaniel college asking for permission to have alcohol service and tents located outside.

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The stadium for alumni event you just were in here, we gave you 15 different locations and it didn't.

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Satisfy you now you come back from a 160 that well, you gave us five and uh you're dis gracious me.

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Who's com um I went to, I went to western maryland, not mcdaniel, so that's how I count. That's how I.

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Count different okay, I used to work for western maryland, not really anyway, I did go to maryland.

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Ie, the train that could explain the difference in arithmetic. Okay, train: go ahead! What tell us.

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What you want to do sure, thank you. um um Thank you again for um having us this afternoon annually. We.

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Have a homecoming event called a decad tent. It's is where we invite we invite alumni dating back.

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As far as the 19 1940s um this pat this upcoming homecoming, which is september 30th 2023, we will.

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Be having that annual event- and we are here today to ask for for permission for one day, el liquor.

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License for that event, um it goes from 10: to 3:. uh It is a ticketed event. Other words, individuals.

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um Alarms who want to go to the event they do have to get a ticket if they want to get a drink. They.

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Have to purchase another ticket so they can get a drink. um It's an annual event. um Unfortunately,.

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The past two years it has not been attended as well due to rain I'm crossing my fingers.

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We don't have rain again this year. um Our goal is to get about two two to 300, um attendees and.

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Again, it is opportunity for us for us to bring back alums, um who have been, who have been with.

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Us quite a long time, um it's also important to note that these groups that we invite back some.

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Of our classes, the the 40s 50s and 60s, they have a very strong presence. So this is something that.

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They look forward to annually and it's something we want to continue to support. So you you're not.

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Asking for a one-day license, you're asking to expand the footprint of the license that you have.

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For for one day, correct, okay, yep, so it's just uh that that's correct! We only do that event. Once a.

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Year, how many people do you expect? Well, we have our fingers crossed that we'll get at.

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Least, 200 people um the past couple years during the rain we we've averaged somewhere around 50 to.

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75 the true die hard.

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Fans, what is the date again? I it is september, 30th of 2023 is doing our homecoming celebration.

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So when you just gave the chairman the number that's number who will be in the tent, not on.

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Campus, that is correct and um it is, um it is a tent that we have closed off. It's it's.

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Closed on three sides, except for one, we also have staff around us. So we anticipate roughly.

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About 200 to 300 um throughout the day, not at one time right, okay and you've done this.

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In the past, that is correct, but you've done under a one-day license. That is correct. Yes,.

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Yeah, I looked at it but I don't remember the the.

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That's pretty close, where one of them t's used to be. Isn't it the course years ago the golf.

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Course, yeah right next to the caboose yeah. Well, the caboose wasn't there when the te was there.

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I believe, some years ago the tennis court used to be right, adjacent to it, yeah yeah right where the.

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Parking lot is across from the caboose, correct and who's doing the serving we have um avi, who will.

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Be doing the survey the same gentleman that that is correct, all the rest, that's correct! They have.

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Yeah out any other questions, no any objections, ob good luck. Well. Thank you. Congratulations thanks!.

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For coming and telling us, and then we invite you out on saturday to join us for [music] homecoming.

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Here, playing hopkins I', be there, who are you playing? Who are they playing? Who are.

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We playing usually homecoming homecoming is off in gettsburg yeah. Homecoming is usually somebody.

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You can beat so that's why I asked 5050 shot past couple years. They w't have a homecoming game. Then.

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Yeah, I won't talk about my employer that way, but oh well, rebuilding year. Good luck! Thank you.

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Joe, yes, the only thing that I haven't checked off here is one that was postponed for october.

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Did I miss something? No, but I thought of something else just to keep your guys on your dose. um I just.

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Want to make sure you, the liquor board is one of the few revenue producing departments in the.

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County um but part of that revenue uh is ends up being the advertising fees, um but you guys.

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Indicated at the last meeting that you want me to start advertising everything, not just the new and.

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The transfer and the corporate changes- you know those things you wanted me to start advertising.

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The violations as well and my point being that that's going to take from some of the revenue.

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But now let me my interpretation of that was not everything not all this stuff. No, not the business.

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But just violations and news and transfers right, sly whatever's on the agenda. Yes, so right now we.

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Are advertising just new transfer those kind of things we've never advertised violations right.

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And we just discussed doing that. Yes and generally at each hearing, I don't recall I ever having more.

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Than four violations- or I mean I think I think one time we topped out of five but yeah yeah. I.

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Mean so, as far as the the inch length of a of of a uh publication in the paper maybe doubled at.

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Most, you think um yeah, probably the highest liquor board ad I've run is a little over.

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200, but keep in mind like if I have three new.

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Cases not violations, but three new cases. I've gotten $1,500 500 per case, so we're talking.

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About advertising the upcoming hearing of a violation or we prizing a decision just.

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The upcoming hearing upcoming hearing and I think we should also any public hearings we.

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Should advertise too well, it's got to be advertised well, but I'm saying, but if we.

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Do if we do it on agend, underneath the one agenda yeah it should have been today should.

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Have been on the agenda that was my okay see. You also get praised in one minute. I.

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Find out the mistakes I made in the next, but you also had a separate hearing in the paper.

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Yes, yeah it ad, it was advertised twice for the.

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Requirements would putting it on the agenda. Advertisement satisfy one of those postings.

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So if you put a public hearing in with this agenda and post it, and then you post the public hearing.

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Again, independently is that two postings, you understand what I'm saying instead of posting, it.

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Twice you mean instead of advertising, it twice. Yes, I don't think so. It's the advertisement twice is.

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State code, but it would be because it would be, it would be advertised on the agenda so that that's.

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What that's my question, would it be twice if one of them was on the agenda, but not specifically.

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Would that state code you specifically specific, have advertise that 30 days or whatever it is.

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And- and it would be, it would be on the agenda 30 days before a hearing, but I think you'll.

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Find it, mr legal man, I don't think it defines that that's required by code yeah. I think that.

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There's something that something supposed to be in a newspaper, so I don't know whether something on.

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The website, no, it's not on the website, joe puts it in the newspaper, but if you put it on the agenda.

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When she does the agenda for the hearings that day, it's still going in the newspaper that goes.

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In the newspaper yeah the same day as the other, so that be the first time advertise and then you do.

E

A separate one because it requires two well, the the regular cases requir to also okay. So then, I.

E

Think it' be yeah, it should be covered because it's in this it's advertised it does. It's part.

E

Of a the agenda, I think the whole purpose is to give public notice if it gives public notice it.

H

Satisfies the law yeah, I think it's, if it's so we, so we do that we got that covered, but I just.

C

Want to make sure you're all in agreement on advertising the violations I am well. I.

A

Am too, but how does the public know now, since we don't advertise, abc liquor, store sales to minor.

A

They don't know know they don't know the decision that's rendered unless they watch this or inquire.

A

Now is the intent to let the public know well that xyz has violated liquor law back when, when.

C

We had a lot of short agendas. I would put part of the business meeting agenda in the newsletter, but.

C

I never could put all of it because you know a it changed and then it got to be too much.

C

They're so long now, so there's a good question about whether we want the public to be able to.

H

Have have advanced notice of a violation in case they want to participate in a hearing. Well like.

C

um I was thinking about r tuesdays. The public came out for that that the word got out a lot because.

C

Of the health department and catherine's cause, I think, about ruby tuesday, but we had several.

C

Members of the public show up for that hearing for violation right and yeah as a rule, the public it.

C

No, I don't mind the public having an opportunity to come and comment on a violation hearing. U I.

H

Look back on that uh situation we had was at mount ary or tony town, where uh some public.

H

Officials, let us know that that there was a public concern about a particular licy, that.

H

Was known well and wide as some place where underrated could get was a? Was a council.

H

Woman who yeah it was that was mount ary. Yes, that was m. Yes, the one with my little vehicle.

E

Pursuit, I I my opinion is put it in there. What's on the board there now, that's my.

A

Opinion all right, it's not going to cost that much more because, like today, you don't have.

A

Any m last month was a short month right as of right. Now we have none for next month. We have.

L

One, what laor enzo? Okay, I mean underage, oh, not cases, no just.

E

Under just one violation: okay, I'm just saying I'm just looking at you. We have.

E

No, so in that instance, you wouldn't post anything previous to this decision. You.

G

Would have not posted anything if the only thing on the agenda is a violation.

L

Correct so I'm fine with that. I just want to make sure so. Violations are going to be.

A

Posted be advertised yes, a hearing, yeah, okay, yeah they're, already posted cuz.

C

They go on the agenda that goes on the website. They just never went in the ad.

W

Okay, okay: is there anything else to be brought before this aust body? If not.

A

Our next meeting is wednesday october, the 11th at 10:00 a.m. a live hearing in this building.

A

Correct with that, there's no objections. Do I hear a motion to you know what I.

H