Carroll County, MD Board of License Commissioners, 9 Aug 2023

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Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, we'll call this meeting of the board of licensed commissioners to.

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Order this time, as has been tradition for many many years, we begin our meetings with the pledge.

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To the flag, but by followed by a moment of silence from memory of those who have went before us, that.

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Made our country as great as it is for all of us, it's strictly voluntary, and with that mr barnhart.

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Pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which.

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It stands one nation, under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all right.

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Thank you. It may be seated.

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At this time I would ask our attorney.

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Mr dixon, if he will present case 6459 as our beginning case this morning, all right k, 6459 in.

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The matter of a class b, beer wine and liquor license issued to joyce b leech for the use.

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Of tj's corner grill, llc trading is tj's corner grill, 3600, sykesville road westminster, maryland.

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21157 violation hearing sail to a minor and if all this matter we have the following documents.

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All right, a june 27 2023 alcohol compliance violation sheet signed by james colon.

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A notice of violation for selling alcohol to persons under 20 21 under the letterhead.

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uh Haven and shoemaker state's attorney and signed by a patrice, patricia soria.

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The notice for the hearing was delivered on.

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Hand delivered june 29, 2023 and signed and received by patricia soria. I would ask that.

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The file be entered into evidence, we'll accept that in the notice. This time I would ask all those.

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Who intend to testify in this case? Please stand raise your right hand and be sworn in by ms vance.

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Do you swear or affirm, under the penalties of perjury, that the testimony you're about to give.

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Is the truth, the whole truth and nothing, but the truth thank you may be seated. May I remind all.

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Of you that before you testify the first time, please state your full name and address and.

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Spell your name for the record: please and those microphones, you can pull just in front of you.

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With that inspector pullen, you are going to present this case. Please. I am yes.

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Thank you good morning, uh inspector jim pullen uh board of license commissioners 225 north.

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Center street maryland westminster maryland. The uh incident is that on the 27th of june.

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2023 at approximately 1 20 p.m. In the afternoon I sent two underage volunteers, both males.

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Age, 17 and 18 year old years, respectively, into tj's corner grill, with the intention.

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Of purchasing purchasing alcoholic beverages, the volunteers were seated at the bar and were served.

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With bottles of beer, both alcoholic beverages, the 17 year old, was given a michelob ultra and the 18.

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Year old, a bud light beer. Upon my arrival, I spoke with the server a patricia soraya. She told me she.

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Did not ask for for identification from the pair she's, not alcohol service trained at that time.

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And she told me that she knew it was a criminal offense to serve a minor with alcoholic beverages.

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All the above occurred in westminster, kell county maryland, uh from our records.

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Tj's corner grill hasn't had a violation in the last five years and upon speaking to mr leech,.

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They've had a license for 33 years, and this is the first underage serve incident. They've had.

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And I wish to make a motion to present uh four photographs which I have shown to.

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Mr mrs leech, here.

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We'll accept them in evidence.

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Jim, I'm sorry on the paperwork. It says that they got a vertical id and that the.

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Person didn't know it was vertical. Is that that's different than what you just told us.

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That's correct yeah. She she did check out the outside I've correct that she did ask.

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For id, but she didn't recognize that the verticals were they were vertical ids.

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Well, they're marking as evidence. I hope everybody.

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Escape the wraths of the tornado or straight-line windstorm, whatever it was.

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Is this british penmanship.

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It has a certain flair.

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Well, it's since I went to the university of maryland, it's a little different. What.

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I was thought down there, but that doesn't mean too much.

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And if you went to towson and morgan, state or university of baltimore law,.

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School or someplace like that they spell wild, whilst wilson.

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I've always got more hair and I got yours.

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Thank you. Okay,.

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Who wants to tell us what happened on your behalf.

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I guess I will william t leach 3600 sykesville road westminster maryland. All I know is I'd. Come.

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Back from restaurant depot, this gentleman was in and said that patricia served two minors. I never.

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Saw him bottom line is it was wrong. I've never had it happen before. I'm sure it'll never happen again.

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We're sorry and we're sorry, because I don't want to be here anymore, and you want me here.

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Who was the the lady? I believe it patricia patricia soria, which has taken to class.

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Since then, and has to take one more, how long has she been employed by you.

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um She was here a couple years ago. She just she moved to ocean city, worked for.

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A restaurant there and I would say it's been three months that she's been back.

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What she does have experience correct.

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You say: she's taking a class, so the alcohol awareness class and then.

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She's supposed to take another class that I don't really he might know the.

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The diversion class, the diversion class- that's what I was getting at.

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So she is doing is going to do the diversion but has taken the alcohol, correct, training.

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Do you have any in-house training like to help them identify vertical ids? We use the book. That's.

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Supplied by the liquor board- and you know- and I told him yeah, and I also explained to him that I.

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Didn't realize you could use the lottery machine, but he told me that wasn't a sure fire plan either.

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What's your policy on vertical ids? Well, I we normally do not take them at all.

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And I do have a question for you because I'm confused, I thought the book said you could.

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At your discretion, we don't because we figure, if you're old enough and.

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You don't even go, get your driver's license changed you're, not you don't need to drink.

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But I guess patricia didn't realize, that's how we did it. The rule in the book.

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You may accept the vertical id, however, most of the liquor establishments in carroll county.

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With two or three exceptions will not accept a vertical id.

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And those that do are close to the pennsylvania line.

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And I think the two that I can think of now: they they won't accept them anymore,.

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But a common practice by most of the licensees is they will not accept a vertical license.

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Because that is the red flag, that they're underage.

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You don't have to look at their dates. You never do anything if it's vertical.

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99 and 4400 percent of the time that person's under 21.

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I think the problem is where she came from. They might have accepted it, where we don't.

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For some reason she accepted the vertical idea: you're right, that's automatically a red flag.

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I'm sorry you say she she was in ocean city most recently, that's where she lived yeah.

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And she worked there. Do you have posters up about no vertical ids accepted? No, I don't have.

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Thought there was one uh the cash registers here and I thought it's to the buy the cash.

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Red stripe ones, yeah, you know what you might be right. I might own the place.

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But I work in the kitchen, but you, but you will, we will get you some. I appreciate it.

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Any other questions, mr leach, have you instituted any new training policies or.

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Anything since this event, or just specify the license mandatory and yeah, like I said.

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I learned today, if you're in doubt go to the um lottery machine but, like he said.

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What you see is actually the final answer. Well, if you're in doubt don't rely on the right if it's a.

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Vertical license, if you're in doubt safe thing to do, is just to have a policy where you don't accept.

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It well you're exactly right and we did, but I like I said I think she was used to be in ocean city.

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And just her mindset was still there. Did she explain to you what happened yeah? She felt.

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Bad but now what does she explain to you about not understanding the vertical id policy in your uh no.

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She understands now: yes, sir, how many employees do you have bar six restaurant side.

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Four or five I can't remember to come and go anymore. All right. Do you have any employees.

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Under 18, no no prior to this incident, where any of them alcohol management trained.

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Everyone that works there now that wasn't is now I know tina my bar manager was, and she normally.

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Takes care of all that stuff so now we've had a talk and she's making sure everybody gets there.

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Training, we have a a record, we call a wave chart that tracks.

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Compliance checks by liquor, board inspectors and I've gone back.

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I looked at uh all the way to the beginning in 2014 and you have had no violations. You have had.

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On our records, since we started doing this, that 13 successful compliance checks.

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Which is commendable and a little bit remarkable honestly when you look at the other licensees in.

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The county- that's that's a extremely good record, but I believe that you stated to our.

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Inspector that you have been there 33 years and never had a vibration. I've been in the business.

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I bought my first bar in 1989 and I came here in 06 and I've never had a violation in either place.

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Okay, so how long have you been at tj's, 06, okay? So that's a very, very good record.

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I like to go by the law: I've never had a ticket either, so it sounds.

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Like it sounds like you have knock on wood, just don't speed, you say you.

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You have a previous bar yeah in riverdale, maryland by the university of maryland.

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My license there, while you were there, how long were you there 89 until 05.

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Long time, 20 plus years yeah, I'm old now don't tell anybody.

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And the lady is still employed by you, patricia yes, sir.

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How many seats do you have in there 50.

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You say you were in the kitchen most of the time. Yes, sir, I do the cooking bring to get the food.

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I don't have anything delivered. I go pick it up. That's why I wasn't there the day he came in.

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Our bar manager is almost yeah, and then we had the bar manager that come to those all the time tina.

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Lewis, whose corvette's that's yours, no that's my day, cook, that's yeah, that's deborah! Does it.

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Just for fun really she's just cooking for fun. She owns a bar too, but she's not allowed to work at it.

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She's too mean to the customers.

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Why you got her yeah where she belongs? She was an ex-gail guard, so she needs to stay in the kitchen.

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Where was she at when jim was in there kitchen.

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Yeah she was in the kitchen, you didn't go in the kitchen, did you no? I didn't think so.

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Any other questions.

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Yeah the only comment I can tell you tell my age until a few weeks ago. The first time I.

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Hadn't been in there since miss anderson had a lady by the name of rose anderson.

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That's 50 years ago I was going to say because what was the name of it, then I don't remember she.

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Was our neighbor on deer park road there when I was growing up her husband passed away, they.

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Had a grocery store but for some reason, the name of the establishment there. Oh.

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I can't think of the gentleman that started anyway. That's got nothing to do with this.

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Any other questions, so I'm not good at math, but it looks like you've been at tj's corner for 17.

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Years or more, oh six, I'm not good at math either everybody asked me I'm like I don't.

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Know I remember when you got two to 10 to 15 and 20. in between, I I'm no good at math yeah.

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The weight is when the license was issued when 08 2008 yeah operated under triple creek, because I.

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Had to straighten out their taxes before the liquor license could be transferred. They let.

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Someone else run the business and they weren't paying the taxes they weren't doing anything.

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So when you first took over, there was no liquor license. Yes, there was it was. It was.

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Under nancy rose and I couldn't transfer to all the taxes were paid. So so, when you took over n06.

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Alcoholic beverages were on sale, correct, okay and since those six there have been.

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No violations no and there have been all kind of compliance checks. Oh yeah.

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Any other questions, if not testimony, is closed, uh we'll go right into summations.

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Dr poland, would you like to make any closing statements? uh No, this one was.

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Another one which was a complete surprise to me. I had the wave charts in front of.

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Me and as you can see it's apart from the violation they got on the 27th, there was.

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Nothing there sent the two volunteers in and they said they'd they'd been served. It was.

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Like that really surprised me, because I know the establishment and they usually run a tight ship.

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So you just charge one instead of two: that's right.

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You'd like to make any closing remarks, I'm sorry do you either one of you like to make any closing.

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Remarks before we, that is the closing remark, I'm sorry, it's not going to happen ever again.

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I don't know what else it's embarrassing with that.

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Colleagues, testimony and evidence has been presented and closed.

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You've all heard the comments by the licensee, as well as our inspector and with.

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The record speaks for itself.

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I my impressions of the establishment, has always been it's typical of a local bar.

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Local people, the best job they can I've, been fortunate, as my colleagues and inspectors.

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And everybody up here knows the thing it really irritates me about sales to minors is when they.

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See that vertical license and still sell, but that's human nature. I guess.

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That, mr barn, aren't you going to say something well, I was just going to.

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Agree with you, mr chairman, that that I have, although I'm not a frequent customer, I have.

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I had some really good hamburgers at tj's corner. I think on hamburger night, when we used to have.

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It yeah I've been there a few times and uh I had the same impression. That's it's well run.

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um I'll just make a few comments and then and then uh turn it over to my fellow commissioners.

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Your record is not just excellent. It's it's remarkable.

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And it's outstanding you've there have been a lot of compliance checks.

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uh Since 2014 and you've passed them all so you've, it looks like you've failed. The.

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14Th compliance check it's in 14. um you're. You probably have close to, if not the best.

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Record in that regard that I've come across in a long time, I think maybe we might have had one.

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License c he went maybe 23 or 25 years without a violation, and then she had her first. So this is.

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Your first and um clearly, you take this seriously about underage service, and I imagine also over.

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Serving people you run a professional establishment and commend you for it, and.

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um I think uh after we hear from the rest of the commissioners, I will be prepared to make a motion.

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um I do feel that um because your your record is so outstanding and you clearly.

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Care about not serving people you shouldn't serve, I think, speaking for myself, I think that.

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The board should take recognition of that in the final disposition of the case, but.

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There are other commissioners here who you might want to speak. I know pine, so thank you.

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Mr mulaney, I can agree with everything. George said it's, uh they say your record speaks for.

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Yourself, um the only thing I would recommend may be get with keith and get some more signage about.

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Vertical ids, that's not the only time. I've heard that I didn't. That was a vertical id um other than.

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That, like you said, I think you guys have done. I can tell just by your demeanor that you're there.

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Probably 24 7 and really truly care about the business and the community so um other than more.

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Signage and maybe new people that come on give them a little. You know heads up. This is what's.

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Going on, please don't ever make me go in front of the board again yeah, I'm dragging you with me in.

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Chains- um and that being said, I will turn it back over to commissioner barnhart. I would just like to.

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Make a few general comments usually in violations. Our licensees are questioned as to.

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What type of training do they make available for their employees? How? How often are they trained.

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What amount of signage has been placed.

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Various things such as that, in spite of how long a person has had a license.

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We often talk about consistency and so on and so forth, and uh we're going to be consistent.

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We have to be consistent when we look at each individual's case on its own merits.

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But with general accepted things, love books and so on so forth, do you all have a log book.

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We have a white, I'm sorry, log book we had one, I'm not sure I haven't seen it in a while. We.

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Have it for incidents, but we don't really have any incidents, so we haven't had to pull it out.

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Wait sure tina has one more time. Yeah tina would know where that is I'm in the bar.

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I have no other further comments.

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I'm prepared to make a motion, mr chairman,.

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Based on your outstanding record again,.

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Chairman speaks about consistency and generally what we do on the first offense.

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Is find someone find the licensee three hundred dollars for for that offense? However, we there is.

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Precedent in this board, since I've been on someone with a long standing, a series of successful.

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Compliance checks talk about years and years close to decades.

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And they have their first compliance failure. I know that this board has.

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Imposed a fine and impose a suspension of that fine, and I feel you fall in that category.

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So therefore, I will make a motion in case six, four, five: nine, that we find the licensee and violation.

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Of a sale to a underage volunteer and impose a 300 fine and suspend 150 dollars of that.

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Fine and recognition of your record and your efforts for the past many years.

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Conditioned upon no further violations in a two-year period.

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From the date of this hearing, thank you.

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They're a second in the motion, a second emotion: motion's been properly made and seconded that.

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We find the license e culpable and issue a fine excuse me of three hundred dollars.

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Of which 150 dollars will be suspended if there are no violations within the next two year period,.

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Is that what you, two years from today's hearing from today's hearing, any further discussion.

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On the motion hearing, not all those in favor signify by saying aye aye opposed no so order.

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Mr leech, we find you culpable of violation of a sale to a minor.

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And a fine of three hundred dollars is assessed, of which a hundred and fifty dollars will be.

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Suspended if there are no violations within two years from this date, thank you. Where do.

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I pay my fine 30 days: okay, let's to satisfy the fine upon official receipt from our office.

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Any questions fine to you. Okay, all my questions have been answered. Congratulations on your.

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Record keep up the good work. Thank you very much. You guys have a good day.

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You can't stand in trouble and stay on my neighborhood I'll see you later.

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Take care guys.

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To get pierced this area.

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I was going to call mission barbecues around 11, see if they're open.

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We talked about going lunch today. Okay, let's do some business. Our next case is what 15.

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Minutes yes, first item of the business meeting is approval of minutes from july the 12th, which.

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You all should have received and probably got in front of you any corrections or additions.

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Hearing none approved is presented one day, liquor license application for an outdoor.

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Event for mission n42 inc hold the maryland summerfest on august 26th at the carroll county.

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Farm museum, whose mission 10 42., they support um fire departments and police departments in their.

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Mission give them supplies and items that they can't afford. Usually through the budget process is.

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It a local outfit, yes, local outfit. This is second year. This is the third year they've. Had this event.

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They had last year and then they had a year off of covid. It's a real good turnout, real good event.

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At the maryland summerfest the um are they selling alcohol there. Yes,.

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So this is separate apart from the the fest. Now that's the whole, that's that is the festival of.

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The maryland summerfest is the festival you're approving oh, I thought we already approved.

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They didn't come before us the summer fest no last year.

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So the whole summer, fest is um being sponsored by mission, 10, 42., correct, yeah.

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And um venom athletics is the other.

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For-Profit company venom athletics is the for-profit company who hosts it all runs it.

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Who venom athletics like snake venom? What have they got to do with this they're part of it also.

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Are they a private organization, no they're, not nope. The mission. 1042 is the non-profit.

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Where is it outside, uh uh I believe westminster should be. It should be on the application.

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Well, this is the other outfits you just mentioned there. That's mr awesome. They're.

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Both carroll county they're, both carroll county carroll, county, yes,.

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So especially an attached map yeah should be.

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I read that thing you're looking for where they're going to serve I'm looking for the map yeah, I didn't see the map either. No, I don't have anything else.

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It said uh the letter says like attached as a map.

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What I read, I thought they had a mute. I can. I can print, I can show you the map there, it's it's a.

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When they serve alcohol at the foreign.

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All over the grounds, just like they do for the wine festival just like they do for.

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um What's the other one they do out there? The wine festival is not our.

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Purview right, that's that's correct, but there are all the festivals out there.

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They they use, they do the same. They anything inside the fenced, an area.

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Well, it says here: there's a the map should have a beer and wine garden.

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Right, but that's where they get that's when it comes out of well. My question to you as simple.

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As this, what he just said, these fire companies and beer, festivals and so forth, they have they have a.

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Designated area and they can't take the drinks out of that area. The fire departments like that I like.

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That they want to, since it's a family event, young kids, they want to try to keep a controlled area.

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um It's up to the board to describe most of the time. First time, events I ask them to do.

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A small area to see how it goes and then, if they want to expand the footprint we come to.

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You they come to you next year to expand the footprint. This footprints work twice already.

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um It's worked out well well twice already, has there been a confined area as required.

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By our rules, it is defined area. It's it's in the fenced in area of the farm museum.

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Well, that's damn near from the hospital to the ag center correct.

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And when you have a wine festival there, we don't have any say about about that. But this isn't this.

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Is something different? This is something that is is under a purview, and our rule requires.

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A confined area, but you say that the farm museum, the entire farm museum's fence, ring correct. Yes,.

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And they have security, they have id checkers, they have volunteers.

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um The monitor the beer areas and monitored throughout the festival.

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So they're they're describing a beer and wine garden.

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Which I I guess is a is a subset of the museum right. That's a separate area in the garden. No, no.

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It it it can be different, the bear and wine area is accomplished. The whole.

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Fenced an area okay, so in this request, they're describing a beer and wine garden; okay, so that.

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They're, describing is the entire four museum. Is that yes, that's what they that's, what it should.

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Be saying they should not, it should be saying, describe the whole fence in the area of the.

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Farm museum, so where are they gonna? Where are they gonna set up shop.

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I'm looking for I'm looking for that map. I can't find that map that shows.

L

Everything there should be multiple locations for beer. I do believe, and wine.

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Because they bring vendors in so there'll be breweries and wineries. There selling.

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Correct different locations throughout the museum and responsibility for checking.

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Is handed by security when they walk into the front gate I know. But what I'm saying is this.

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Responsibility for checking um checking the ids, ids and wristbands is on the vendors, the various.

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Vendors, who are there, what no checking ids is up to is up to security at the front gate issues the.

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Wristbands the wristbands would then the vendors had to make sure that people had the wristbands.

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On to be served, they don't check out, they I mean they can check ids, but they usually don't check.

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Ids right, so all wineries breweries will be responsible to look for the wristbands. That.

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Are over 21 and not serve so the responsibility is on the vendors. Oh, yes, it's the same thing. If you.

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Work, walk at your hanson's in the doorman card. You and you give a fake id or doesn't card you and you.

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Walk up and the bartender serves you. Ultimately, if it's a violation, it goes to goes to the server.

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Yeah but but johannesis doesn't have your answers as one vendor here we're talking about multiple.

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Vendors, I'm just saying right it ultimately, who it's the last person who touches the alcohol.

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It was underage that that too gets irresponsible right.

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Just like any place that works with dorman or security. So if, if a vendor sells to an underage.

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Who gets the violation, the vendors the license? He doesn't nope.

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Now, if the vendors is working for the licensee, then yes, then the license e-book. But if it's.

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Shout I mean um legonore ligonor will get the violation if it's there, if they have, if.

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The stroll westminster, western's um oyster, show they have vendors, but also they also sell beer.

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And wine at by the westminster rec department. So if they, if the violation comes out from there, they.

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Will get the violation if it comes from the vendor? The vendor gets violation, makes sense.

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Their area, you have more chance, you have somebody getting alcohol. First, ac, noodles.

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And they do a good job with with security walking through when they're admiring that.

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So this is the third time is taking place and you've attended the previous ones. Yes and you're.

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Happy with how things went very much so I'll be attending this one also. I have no objection, though,.

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Okay, one day, liquor license application for an outdoor event from the town of.

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Mount area to hold a town block party celebrate mount airy on.

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August 26th at 110 south main street in downtown mount airy.

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That whole area in carroll county- yes, it's on the carroll county side of.

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Main street jackson, this is the month of dave. Had this one multiple years.

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Yeah as soon as we do this one okay, I have no objection. You objective, no objection. Okay,.

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Reese real quick, joe you don't like, while you're getting up priest, wants a permit.

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To have the big money event on their parking lot, which they've had for years. Any objections.

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We go down, take a three minute break.

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We have a letter of resignation from john aplic asking to be removed from.

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Cnr pub license that was received on august 1st.

H

So does that mean an effective somebody else on the license.

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Yeah, there's a marylander, isn't it uh brian brian? Yes,.

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No, if I skipped one anyway,.

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Okay, we accept that letter. We got a letter from liquidity, ale works, requesting use.

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Of their parking lot for a fundraising, chili cook-off to benefit mount airy net.

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September, 2nd, what's mount airy net, do not know; um basically they want. They have outdoor area that.

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Board has previously approved, they want to make it a little bit bigger they're, expecting more people.

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So the chili cook-off is something that we've approved before the event.

L

That I don't think so, no okay! So it's a fundraiser for whatever mount airy net is.

L

uh Have you have you communicated with the people? Putting this on? I've talked to look around the.

L

Air works about what they're going fencing and everything and they're comfortable with it. You're.

L

Not you're comfortable with us, they don't have to put it one day. They can actually cannot actually.

L

Do a one-day license because they not they already have a license on that premises. You can't have two.

L

Licenses on a premise: oh, so this is not uh the area. Air works. Has a class d brewery license.

L

So part so they're, specifically requesting expansion of the footprint correct. Okay for.

L

Attempt for that just that one day you are approved in the original meaning.

L

Area, but now they want a bigger area. Okay, I have no objection. Is a food bank.

A

Okay, with with that, we have our 1045 case 6460, mr dixon, if you will call that case, please.

C

Okay, 6460 in the matter of a class, a beer wine and liquor license issue to fatal for the use.

C

Of shelfa inc trading as yeo package, goods, 887, sandusky road sykesville, maryland 21784.

C

Violation, hearing sale to a minor and if all this matter we have the following documents.

C

A delivery of notice for this hearing.

C

June 28 2023 letter delivered by hand on june 29 2023 received by.

C

uh Armit patel.

C

There's a june 28 2023 letter from joe vance to shilpa patel.

C

And then there is a app called compliance violation sheet completed.

C

And signed by inspector pullen june 27 2023, then there is a notice of violation for selling alcohol.

C

To persons under 21 under the letterhead haven and shoemaker states attorney and signed by armit.

C

Patel, I would ask that the file be entered into evidence, we'll accept that in evidence.

A

This time I would ask all those who intend to testify in the case please.

A

Stand raise your right hand and be sworn in by ms vance.

A

D

Do you swear or firm, under the penalties of perjury, that the testimony you're about to give.

D

Is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I do thank you baby seated and may I request.

A

Before anyone testifies as they testify to the microphone in front of them, these state, your.

A

Name and address and spell your name for the record please, but that vector pullen. You are.

A

Going to present the case, I believe I shall be yes good morning again: uh inspector jim pullen.

E

Board of license commissions for carroll county inspector address of 225 north.

E

Center street westminster maryland. The case is that on the 27th of june 2023 at approximately.

E

221 pm in the afternoon I sent two underage volunteers, age, 18 and 17.

E

Years, respectively, into yield packaged goods with the intention of purchasing alcoholic beverages.

E

uh They were served with a six pack of natural light, an alcoholic beverage only one of the.

E

Volunteers took possession of the alcohol, the other one was just there to observe I'll point out.

E

Upon my entry, I then spoke to to the clark mr amit patel, who was also the.

E

Manager of that establishment and informed him of the underage sale, uh the volunteer told me.

E

That mr patel didn't ask him for any id. Mr mattel.

E

Knows it's an offense to serve underage persons with alcoholic beverages.

E

And he is alcohol service trained. All the above occurred in sykesville cal county maryland.

E

And from our records, uh both the wave sheet there's been.

E

Three prior violations within the last five years that, like okay, keith yeah.

E

And I'd like to make a submission to.

E

Up to provide three photographs for evidence, which I have shown, mr patel previously.

A

We'll accept them into evidence. Thank you.

E

From the file there was a a further violation in 2015, so that would make four within the last.

E

Eight years.

E

Nothing further. What was that day to the offense or the the fourth offense that that was uh the 4th.

E

Of november 2015, that would be case number 5895 and for the english version of november 14 2015.

H

I mean the american version, american version.

H

The hearing was held in september on our wave chart of 2015. yeah.

N

By our nissan that one's not on a wave chart by in the folder, that would keep the violation. The.

L

Hearing date of the one on november, 4th 2015., that was when the hearing date was yeah and we.

D

Had another one probably was a month august, 8th 2018 and november 18 2020 for the hearing dates.

L

So in our wave charge is the violation date. Yes, the wave charge, the violation date. What I just.

L

Read you is the hearing dates right, that's how joe records them we've been told to make sure.

L

We put these in on in on record yeah, so on our wave chart we have a going back to the earliest.

H

Is uh september 23rd, 2015, violation date, that's the uh first of four on our chart. uh How.

L

I don't know your package good, I mean how would you much the old package it stops in july, 27 2016.

L

I have a older one. I have, I have a more complete one than you haven't. Okay, because I we only give.

L

You the yeah five years right, but that that's that's not a a rule. uh No, I agree something we do.

A

Okay, we've accepted these in the evidence. Mr poland has presented the case on behalf.

A

Of the commission, mr patel, you want to tell us what happened. Don't forget state your name and.

A

Address for the record please, my name is amit patel uh 887, sandusky road, sykesville, m321784.

M

um Today I um to the minor um there's no excuse for that. I made a mistake, but.

M

I was all by myself at the store, I had a delivery and I was doing some ordering also on my phone.

M

And 95 we get, customers are regular, so I know them. I looked at the customer. I saw his face.

M

But for some reason it just didn't strike me at all to ask the id, but generally it's not that I.

M

Don't ask how do you have asked addie for so many other people's like couple of months ago, there was.

M

A kid who was underage with a vertical id trying to buy liquor, and we stopped doing that. I didn't.

M

Serve him and we also get some uh the duplicate ids, also like the fake ids, sometimes from.

M

Pennsylvania, delaware, which we don't have also not served to them too, but that day when he was came.

M

There, but I have no excuse at all what happened, and I just didn't strike me at all to as that.

M

Even though I looked at his face- and I knew that he was something new but for some reason I don't.

M

Know my mind was occupied by doing some ordering on the phone, because I had a four o'clock cut off.

M

For homes for southern- and it didn't click me at all that to ask the id just slipper out of my mind,.

M

But we do check ids, we do. I do check ids and I make sure that I don't do that. But.

M

That day, for some reason I, like I said we have uh I've checked so many ids with fake ids from.

M

Delaware, pennsylvania, which we don't serve at all and even like the other day, there was.

M

Another and that day, when I had the kid who was under 21 with a vertical, I thought that.

M

Was the inspector who sent him in there? But it was not him because I didn't receive a letter.

M

From the county saying that you have passed so I assume it was not from there, but I'm sorry can.

H

You tell us that again, so you someone tried to inspect you. uh No, I thought that was the.

M

Guy, that was the kid who the inspector must have sentiment. When I added him, he had a vertical id.

M

And uh he didn't say anything at all when I asked him the idea- and I told him you have water glady,.

M

How, how can you just come in and try to buy, buy the alcohol and he just walked out, so I.

M

Thought it might be a oh. I see so you're you're describing a successful like exactly stop yeah.

M

Yeah, so that's what I thought, but it was not but yeah. I'm sorry, mr chairman yeah sorry go ahead.

H

um Mr patel you're, not the licensee. No, my wife is a licensee. Do we not require licensees to appear.

H

um Have you personally been involved in an underage sale prior to this one.

M

No, the previous three ones they they said was, I think, all three were from my employees.

B

Did you say you had a delivery? No, no yeah delivery coming in no delivery coming in yeah. Okay, thank.

M

You and I was all by myself- I had to check the deliveries and then I was also on the phone doing.

M

My ordering too, for the for the cutoff before four o'clock, and then he just walked in, and I just like.

M

Took care of him, then how many employees do you have? I don't have an employee. I just have.

M

A part-time employee I'm having difficult times with employees now right now, so it's basically.

H

You and uh maybe a part-time person part-time and he comes and goes because he he drives an uber. So.

M

He he tells me that he makes more money over there, so he he just comes apart time. He does.

M

Does that, basically, I try to call him in the evening so he's more free in the evening. So.

M

Daytime he wants to drive uber so he's more free in the evening. So and my wife also helps me, but.

M

Right now, my daughter just had a baby three weeks ago, so she's helping her in virginia right now. So.

M

She was also not there at the store, as normally she's there, so it makes a difference for me too,.

M

Sometimes so how many hours do you spend at the store? I am there from open to close, mostly seven.

M

Days even sunday is also I'm there. My wife is there in the morning. She she comes later on around.

M

11 o'clock and she helps me a little bit out and and then she leaves in the evening at four o'clock.

H

And what kind of training have you had regarding management of alcohol.

H

Sales tips tam certified anything damn damn certified. You are yeah.

B

So are we able to impose on a licensee, that's not present, to defend and or.

H

Speaker, I mean that's really it's it's a tim question and then tim can toss it back to us.

H

If he wants but um well, I would say that uh um you would need to get.

C

The inspectors to do a violation- and you know we have to give her notice of hearing we had to.

C

Go through all that to to violate her for that right. So, in order to violate her for not being.

H

Here, there's a lot more involved than just today. I just can't do it now. There might be an explanation.

C

I mean, if she's out of the state we already know she's out of the state or but she's taking.

C

Care of her grandchild, so, okay, but but there'd, have to be a violation of charges would happen.

H

The question is, we can still, we can still impose that that was my question whether.

H

She's here or not gotcha, that was my question. That's my feeling. Okay,.

H

How long have you had the store, mr patel, it's almost 12 years now.

K

12 years, yeah yeah and I record show the earliest violation that our records shows is back in 2015.

H

Does that sound right to you so uh before that you didn't have any violations? Is that correct.

M

I'm not exactly sure what it is, but I think what he said: the three violations I had I'm aware of.

M

That I don't know exactly which year and what date it was, I'm not sure about that. But uh yeah. The 215.

M

I'm pretty sure about that one, because I'm one of my employees uh had sold uh when I was here with.

M

Him I remember that is this. The first time you've appeared before this board for a violation hearing.

M

uh I was here last time when the my employee sold to a minor. I was with him okay at that time,.

H

I guess my question is before september: 23rd of 2015 you own the store.

H

Yeah, okay, and was that your first violations.

H

Yeah was that your first foundation during the time you've owned this time, okay, yeah. Thank you.

H

So our records indicate that there's.

H

Four violations in eight years does that sound right to you.

H

um Inspector has: has there been a follow-up, not yet no we're.

E

I was going to go out to on uh monday, but don't warning how he been yes, this past monday, I was.

E

Going to go out this past monday, but the weather got in the way. So uh I didn't okay.

H

H

And uh do you have signage in the store? Yes, I do. I have a signage outside on the door. The.

M

Main door, what does it say? It's a vertical uh picture uh sticker, which I think was given by.

M

Keith- and it was, I have put it on the window and then inside when they come inside. I have a.

M

Shield right in front of the counter I had on the shield too um saying the same thing: that we don't.

M

Serve to miners and all this stuff and then yeah, I'm sorry yeah go ahead so on the front door. You.

H

Have a sign that says we don't accept vertical license vertical license: yes, okay, okay, yeah and.

H

You have the same sign in the store same in store and also I have written by hand saying that we.

M

Don't accept vertical ids uh and we do need to check ids under 35., okay under 35. That's that's.

H

Just that's your policy yeah, let's say store policy but sounds like you're the store yeah.

H

And you testified earlier that you have recently prevented an underage sale, underage sale, right.

M

Yeah I have like, like the the one who was with the vertical id, and I have so many uh even even like.

M

Two days ago, I had a kid coming in with a fake id from pennsylvania, which, how do you and how did you.

M

Detect it was fake, I mean he had a very baby face and, and everything was uh okay, he had a picture on.

M

The id the I asked him the birth date, the birth date he said was right. I checked the height, but.

M

I still didn't feel like it was him, and I scanned it also in my uh the uh anything it it. It said on.

M

That he was 21 years old and 65 days, but I still said no to him because I didn't feel like it was a.

B

B

It's like you, can you like every time you denied somebody sale, do.

B

You have a long book where you write that down and say I turned down a vertical id. I turned away a fake id, no ma'am. I don't have that records.

A

Your other part-time employee is he tips or tam's servite. Yes, his town, damn certified he's been with.

M

Me for a long he used to work with me for a full time at the same store and he was also violated.

M

One time uh last time when I was with him um but uh and after that, he just like after the pandemic.

M

He just started driving uber and since then he thinks that he is making more money driving uber.

M

So he was just now. He just does part-time with me now before that he was a full-timer.

M

But he says he can make more money you're trying uber so and he can do it in his own free time and.

M

All that so anyway, and I'm still looking for good help, but I just cannot find one at all.

M

I I do get all these kids coming who wants to work, but I really don't want them like hiring.

M

Them and then them selling you to minors and again having issue with this. I said rather.

M

Like just work by myself, right now till I find somebody genuine.

H

What are store hours during the week, it's 9 30 to 9 and you're. Usually there that entire time yeah.

H

It's not recall it's kind of a small store. It's a.

M

Small store, it's a it's. It's like 1400 square feet, store.

B

H

I mean further questions, dr ben, for you.

A

Got another I'm inspector keith benford license commission. um I pulled the previous case 6258 and.

L

Threw our records and through the church, amit patel, is their server from the last.

L

Violation that occurred, I think that was like two years ago. I guess two I mean last time. Yes,.

M

I don't remember that great calling on 8 25 20 20. 82 19 2002 20 27.

M

I was waited once before. Do you have you can make a motion to add this to the folder to the file.

A

We'll accept it in evidence what exactly what I want to know who the server was in 23.

L

Amit patel was a servant 23 mr patel. This gentleman, this gentleman, who was.

A

The server in august of 20., I met patel the same gentleman. I was like three times and I.

M

Was once before, I remember once before, I don't know, have you been through diversion program.

L

Did you go through the state's attorney's office contact you and have you go through the diversion.

L

Program, no not yet, who was the server in 18.? It was not amit patel. We looked that up and.

L

I did not pull that file. Oh you got there now 15.. No, I got twenty twenty twenty twenty.

L

August of 2020., so mr patel was the server.

A

Both times the last two, yes and 18, he was not. I don't, I don't know the name, but I know he was not.

L

The servant in 18 or 15, because we looked that up previously, did he ask for an id on that file.

N

L

The clerk did not ask for id from this volunteer.

L

The volunteer was 19 years old. The volunteer bought very fusion pucker.

M

Yeah, I didn't want that one so on the file you're. Looking at.

H

um And for the fine we assessed was twelve hundred dollars.

L

Yes, that's correct and that's that would normally be what we do on the third offense correct.

L

You guys want to see the file. I don't need to.

A

See it yeah, we asked you asked to be as captain and it was accepted.

H

But tell do you have any thoughts about what you're going to do in the future to prevent this.

H

From happening again, I just have to be careful more careful. I mean just like to not to hurry up.

M

Or do anything of that? I'm I've done everything like putting stickers on the door. You know like.

M

Not serving ideas, we don't serve ids and all that stuff I had. I have a thing also to check ids. We.

M

Check a machine that we can, we do put addies in there and check it. Also. You know through that.

M

Too, but it's personally just me or my employees have to make sure that we don't do this again, but.

H

um Because your staff is just you and a part-time person right now.

H

And my wife also worked out. Oh right, that's what I'm sorry.

H

Is she um yeah damn damn she's a lot of time pass.

L

And if you read that file the I do him and I follow he said he does admit to being the.

L

Owner of the establishment in that file, so I don't know if his wife was here last year.

L

Well, he may be the owner, not necessarily the licensee, so I mean, I guess, that's possible.

A

Any other questions I know from anybody.

A

With that uh evidence- and testimony is uh closed, uh would there be any closing.

A

Statements, inspector pullen, uh no, so mr patel, do you have any final comments, you'd like to make.

M

No sir, all I can say is I'll be more careful in future. I don't come back over here again.

A

What's that testimony and evidences.

A

Final comments or received- and this is close to- we- will now dispute or discuss the merits of the case.

H

Mr chairman, um there's some significant facts and evidence.

H

I think one is that this is the fourth violation in eight years, which is from our perspective, not.

H

Good and you, you probably know that you know one of our chief concerns. If not our chief concern is.

H

Public safety- and that includes no underage sales and no over serving of alcohol.

H

So this board takes this very seriously and when someone comes before us- and they have multiple.

H

Violations, especially a pattern or a record of multiple violations, it uh it's a big concern here.

H

And um wasn't that long ago we had a a licensee who had four violations in a five-year period.

H

And uh in that case we assess the maximum fine. In that case, we also.

H

Added, if you had any more violations in two years, there's going to be a lengthy suspension.

H

Oh, as I just mentioned, we can't find any more than two thousand dollars, but we can suspend or revoke.

H

um I don't think a suspension or revocation is appropriate in this case, but I think.

H

The maximum fine is of.

H

And your last find was twelve hundred dollars and that wasn't all that long ago,.

H

I think it's probably also appropriate to consider.

H

In the sanction that, if you this happens again in a certain period of time that you might find.

H

Yourself of a suspension which, in your case, would be very hard on your business because all you, your.

H

All your business is is: is retail sales of alcoholic beverages you're, not a restaurant.

H

So that would be something that.

H

If I were you and like to say, I would find that to be very threatening and intimidating.

H

And I would want to do everything I possibly could to make sure this doesn't happen again.

H

It's it's good that you have the training you have and that's uh it's. I know I understand it's.

H

A small store and you're worked very hard, and it's also understand it's hard to find what you feel.

H

Is competent, yeah systems but nevertheless the licensee? He was not here, but we understand why.

H

Nevertheless, the licensee is ultimately responsible and- and you probably have an.

H

Ownership interest in the business substance, so um those are my thoughts I think it's it's important.

H

Does not happen again uh for the benefit of our community and also for your benefit.

H

Those are my thoughts, mr chairman.

B

um I agree with commissioner barnhart um when he referenced the last case that had four violations.

B

It was within a five-year period. I knew yours goes back eight years, but unfortunately you haven't.

B

Been able to go more than three years without a violation, so the violations are continuous.

B

um This is actually your second violation for the same reason of not even asking.

B

For an id that might be something you want to address, moving forward.

B

um That being said, I'd be willing to I'd, be ready to make a motion if it's, okay, with the chairman.

A

I'd just like to make a couple comments before emotions in order absolutely.

A

My initial thoughts in this case would be a direct suspension in addition to a fine immediately.

A

Two violations by the same person within a three-year period, with no asking for id.

A

Indicates a pattern to me that I don't like.

A

16 17 year old people apparently or afforded the opportunity to purchase alcohol.

A

And while I can appreciate his comments about it's pretty much a one-man shot.

A

That responsibility falls on the license, z and the owner.

A

If you're in business, most people that most companies have a business plan, apparently this.

A

Is just a eight to five operation or whatever? It is by a husband and wife, and I think it's serious.

A

The pattern is about every two years. We have a violation, and if you all have here heard me say.

A

I have no sympathy for somebody who violates a law when they do not ask for identification.

A

And they look and it's a vertical id and they still serve so my thoughts are a little bit.

A

More serious than what your comments seem to indicate, but I would entertain a motion.

B

I appreciate your input in the matter. Mr chairman,.

B

B

In the case of 6440 violation, sale to a minor.

B

I find you culpable of the actions. I would make a motion to impose a two thousand dollar fine.

B

With a caveat of, if there are no other violations within a three-year.

B

Period that you would then be imposed a 10-day suspension of your license if it happens again,.

A

Per second of the motion I'll second, the notion.

A

This has been properly made and seconded that we find the.

A

License: z, ulpable and issue a fine of two thousand dollars and a 10-day suspension.

A

Upon a violation that would occur within the next three years for sales to a minor.

A

Is that your motion? Yes, sir, thank you. Is there any further discussion on the motion.

A

Hearing none all those in favor signify the saying aye aye opposed no so ordered.

A

Until we find you culpable sales to a minor and assess a fine of two thousand dollars with the.

A

Caveat that if a future sale to a minor occurs in your establishment within the next three years.

A

In addition to any judification that may occur as a result of that fine.

A

An automatic 10-day suspension of your license would occur. You have within 30 days of official.

A

Notice to satisfy the two thousand dollar. Fine, you understand the decision. Yes, sir,.

A

You understand occurs the sales to a minor by anybody in your store.

A

Within the next three years that you will have an automatic 10-day suspension, plus whatever.

A

Any other penalty would be assessed for that sale. You understand yes, okay,.

A

That concludes case 6460.

A

A

Caller next k-6461, please all right, k-6461, an application for a new class b beer wine and.

C

Liquor license to be issued to susan r, rail, for the use of snick inc trading is dutch's.

C

Corner 3154 main street manchester road 21102 in election district, six.

C

In the foul this matter, we have the following documents: a notice public hearing july 28, 2023.

C

The a response to joe vance's request to various state and local agencies from.

C

Michelle wildner zoning administration.

C

Above breakfast, establishment does meet the requirements of this office.

C

There's a july 21st, 2023 notice of public hearing. For this case there is a response.

C

To joe vance's request to various state and local agencies from lisa staley health.

C

Department, the above referenced establishment does meet the requirements of this office.

C

There is a response to joe vance's requests from belinda gazelle collections office. The.

C

Above referenced, establishment does meet the requirements of this office.

C

And then there is an application in the application, includes.

C

24 to wednesday notice the public hearing.

C

Well, there's a july 11 2023 letter from joe vance to susan l, real in reference to.

C

This case and then there's an application. The application includes articles of organization.

C

Charter references, sdat information.

C

Criminal background information.

C

Mba record workman's comp insurance corporate minutes financial information, lease floor plan.

C

Other licensed establishments and a menu, I would ask that the file be entered into evidence.

A

We'll accept that in evidence this time I would ask all those who intend to testify.

A

Please stand raise your right hand and be sworn in by ms vance.

D

We swear or affirm under the penalties of perjury, that the testimony you're about.

D

To give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing, but the truth be seated.

A

May I asked that before each of you testify.

A

The first time, please state your full name and address for the record and spell your last name.

A

With that max, let me relax.

A

You're susan real, I take it. Yes, sir. My name is susan l, world r-I-l-l.

O

3154 main street manchester maryland 21102.

A

You are the applicant, I am and I'm the owner of dutch corner restaurant.

A

What do you want to tell us about it? Why you want a liquor license.

O

This is my 23rd year at dutch corner restaurant we've been open serving breakfast and lunch for.

O

All 23 years during the covid pandemic, we realized with manchester being a bedroom.

O

Community that we have a whole new market of customers in manchester that we weren't serving.

O

um One of three restaurants in manchester only one serves alcohol, and so with the restaurant.

O

Closing at two we're leaving a gap, so we would we're looking to expand into evening hours.

O

um And provide a full-service restaurant serving drinks, we're not opening a bar.

O

We're not going to be open late hours at night. We just want to complement our meals.

O

With some drinks, it would also allow me to expand into.

O

Some some of the evening hours for family reunions, more in-house caterings, when dean's restaurant.

O

Closed they used to have a lobster night, which was very popular to do. Events like that.

O

And having alcohol would enhance would enhance that throughout my time at dutch corner.

O

um As I grew up and in the community, we've always supported, catherine's call calls so we're not.

O

Looking to get into the building has a history of having mother, martins and.

O

um Squirrelies and that's not where we're going um heard some crazy stories over the past couple.

O

Years, we'd like to just extend our service into evenings. We have the ice cream shop, open.

O

From four to nine we've already been in the two months, we've had it open having requests for more.

O

Dinner menu dinner items, an extended menu from the sandwiches and pretzels and hot dogs. We offer now.

O

And just to reach out to more of our our community.

A

Do you have experience with alcohol prior to my time at dutch corner? Yes, I've worked.

O

um In rest, in franchise, la madeleine, french bakery and cafe, it was in the dc region.

O

um That wasn't a bar atmosphere; it was a dining or casual dining where we offered beer or wine.

O

Finley's american restaurant, which is it was out of in allentown. We had.

O

No bar, but full service, alcohol service and cool font resort in berkeley springs.

O

West virginia, which has recently reopened, we had that was bar and full restaurant.

O

That I managed, when you say we, you mean you, you were an employee or owner or a manager or.

O

As at la madeleine, I was general manager findley's american restaurant. I was.

O

Manager and cool font resort. I was the front of house manager. Okay, thank you.

A

How many employees do you have currently 22.

A

Are any of them certified to serve alcohol at this time, not up to date.

O

I have asked keith next month to host a service training meeting.

O

To get my staff certified and I was going to offer to host it at dutch corner because we have.

O

A closed dining room, a private dining room and I wouldn't start service until my staff is trained.

A

Well, you have to susan is trained herself, I am trained. Yes, that's what this certificate is no no.

F

um Just got from there from there she came okay, the award of recognition, alcohol.

H

Retail seminar was that all about is that for attending our seminar. Yes,.

L

When susan approached me back at the library a little bit june may she's been on the ball.

L

She's been to the seminar she's been to the training. She's asked me a lot of.

L

Questions: I've looked at the place. It's it's adequate to hold a beer wine liquor license.

L

um She mainly talked about beer and wine, but she did say she might do some special drinks, mimosas.

L

Bloody mary's she's not going to have much liquor.

L

But just enough if she wants to do something special you're telling.

A

Me that she was never in her restaurant before she approached you, oh I can't I didn't say that.

L

I've been in there to eat for breakfast. Yes, I.

L

But she probably didn't recognize me at the time when it was in there.

H

Do you have any vet room that you would use we actually now we do um thanks to the grant.

O

Money we received from the county with during covet because we were able to the restaurant.

O

The building itself is 1848 for the foundation. The original part of the restaurant was 50 seats.

O

In one section of the restaurant, but we have three sections so on the third section which.

O

Is on the north side, we installed wooden sliding doors to close off for an event section and then.

O

Like our front dining room, if somebody's doing a baby shower, we can close that off to use.

O

The ice cream shop is in a little separate section.

O

On the north side, which used to be geno's barbershop back in the day.

H

Have you already extended your hours into the evening? We do we have the ice cream shop open four.

O

To nine we've been doing monthly dinners and just special events. St patrick's day valentine's day.

H

But your intention is to do more than that into the evening to build to that filter. Okay,.

H

uh When you say monthly dinners, oh, what do you mean exactly well for st patrick's.

O

Day we did corned beef and cabbage. You know we opened from five to eight thirty, five to nine.

O

Customers would call make reservations come in and dine.

H

And this license would help you expand that market. Yes, your dinner market, yes, which is.

H

A main reason that you're thinking about this right correct and you would testify that.

H

The restaurants around you, a restaurant, serving the community. What deans you say I closed.

O

Deans was in hampstead, yes did they do the similar thing uh that you're looking to to.

H

Do with your marketing you're open full service, lunch and dinner. They also had the bar with the.

O

Bar and after the later hours, the late night bar, but one thing dean had in the community, was just.

O

It was a great place to go for family dinners and that's a gap that we're looking to fill.

B

What do you anticipate your hours of operation will be once you get to the point where you're.

B

Dinner every night, possibly I don't think I'll do every night, we'll probably start with.

O

Friday, saturday, building to thursday friday saturday, seeing what the demand is.

O

What now with we with opening at 5am, you know we do the breakfast 5 a.m to 2 p.m. Three, maybe.

O

Four nights is probably the max. We would do other nights of the week if families wanted to have like.

O

A sunday night, if family wanted to have a reunion or a rehearsal dinner, you know we could do open.

O

For smaller events, but would you hire a bartender and have mixed drinks available or would you.

H

Pull that off for special events and have a bartender just attend special events right now,.

O

Well that I learned I was working part-time at the elks and cindy potter, who is the bar manager.

O

At the elks was in charge of doing the special events in their dining room, and so yes, if I had.

O

A special event where it was a rehearsal dinner and they wanted a full bar service.

O

I would cindy would be the first person I would ask to come and do that.

O

So that would probably be that would be bringing in a fully trained person. But.

O

Where it would be myself right now, you're, just thinking in terms of special events.

H

To have mixed drinks available or is that wrong? um If I held a special event and they.

O

Were you know they wanted the full bar? That would be, I guess an option um I was. I would.

O

Be beer and wine would be the that's my question, I'm just I'm just trying to get a good picture.

H

You you're not gonna, have a bar correct, so you won't be able to serve alcoholic beverages during.

H

Dinner, maybe lunch, I guess maybe even a brunch, I don't know um mixed drinks or is that something.

H

You're thinking about serving, if we did mimosas and bloody mary's for saturday and sunday, brunch.

O

But that would be it wouldn't be bloody, mary's mimosas. Oh, I want a captain morgan.

O

And coke: oh, I want a gin and tonic that it would be specialty drinks. I said: okay.

O

um It would be narrow, a narrow, drink menu or a limited drink menu. Okay, I thought that's what you.

H

Were thinking about, but I just want to clearer picture okay, I apologize if I'm I'm exhausted,.

H

Oh you're, doing great don't apologize a lot of damage from the um storm at my parents farm so.

H

And how many employees do you have now? I might have missed that 22.

B

Do you plan on getting everybody, um alcohol management certified or just.

O

The one that are going to be serving serving, which would be our over 21 employees, gotcha.

O

An 18 year old can serve also your front of the house. Anybody over 18.

L

That's going to touch alcohol should be certified essentially, like all your funny house, people, yes,.

H

And you're 100 owner of the.

D

Correct and I notice in some of the corporate documents, uh snick inc.

H

The n is capitalized. Is that purposeful? Yes, okay, my maiden name is susan nickerson.

H

And so it was have a short corporate name.

O

um Little did I know it would be the spelling and would be a pain in the butt, but that's how it was.

B

It's going to be your policy on the acceptance of vertical ids, we're not.

A

You're familiar with what a vertical id is, and after after the training um I was discussing, it.

O

With my staff and and one of my young men, nate has ever had a vertical id. He just got his horizontal.

O

But he was over the age of 21. and I told him the rules and the challenges and- and he says.

O

Well, I can go in the liquor, store and get alcohol. I said well, do they id you and he says. Well, yes,.

O

The id me every time and they scrutinize the id, but they accept it. But then, when he was going to.

O

Ocean city, with his mom for the weekend, I have some friends of mine. One of my friends opened a.

O

Bar and I said well, when you go down there say hi, you know say hi to pete when you go there and and.

O

Mark when you go here, and neither of them would let him even sit at the bar with a vertical id.

P

So nate learned very quickly how that that's no longer acceptable and they tell our inspectors.

H

Which liquor store? This is that's been serving him. I mean it's they're allowed to serve a vertical id.

L

If they're over 21., that's not what she said. Yes, it is yes. She said he just turned. Oh, he.

L

Just turned 21: they were 21, he just he hasn't, got a new license. Yet, okay, I'm sorry! Yes, now.

L

Most places don't but it's but legally it's a lot. That's a valid id for over 21 servers.

L

Up to six up to 60 days or 30 days, 30 days, it expires. So what about pennsylvania ids, which are.

B

Also, vertical from what I understand can be up to 20 years, six, twenty three four five years I mean.

O

That's I no vertical, I think. That's probably the if you have a policy is to not confuse.

B

Your employees to be like this is what we do. This is what we don't do. Yes, keith dropped off the the.

O

Cards to put on the doors and we're replacing the front doors of the restaurant in the next well, if.

O

The doors ever come in, hopefully in the next two weeks um and those will be prominently displayed.

B

Do you plan on having a handbook type policy that you'll have your employees sign knowing what's.

B

Expected of them and what your policies are going to be for carding and yes, we can document that the.

O

Process of updating um our handbook now because there's a lot of new rules that need to be, and our.

O

Requests off policy definitely needs to be ironed out very more definitively. So, yes, it will be.

O

At an employee meeting in the full handbook signed and dated so in addition to no vertical.

B

Ids, do you have a thought of what your policy will be for your carding process, a car at all.

B

A card under a certain age that you look, which I hear a lot of places, do if you're a grandparent.

O

But I became a grandmother when I was 37, so I would we're going to go with over 40.

O

um It's gonna, you know, be a challenge, but there it's going to be more carting than less.

O

And having a limited number of staff, that's my front of house servers that will be serving.

O

I think we can keep it enclosed very tightly.

A

Is that diagram floor plan show where alcohol is going to be.

A

Kept we, it does not show it, but we we talked about it. It would be in locked cabinets.

L

It's gonna be a lock cabinet, it's gonna be in like the second dining room. I don't know what.

L

That area the metal, dining room, yeah it it's very cookie cutter. I mean it's not it's like, um because.

L

It was that one time four storefronts combined, but it's going to be in in front of the kitchen. I just.

A

Wondered it's gonna be, but it's good locked up and security doesn't have a bar. I just wanted it.

L

Correct we talked about it and then the cold boxes, you're gonna, have a separate refrigerator, cold.

L

Boxing me locked up also, and you plan on utilizing the outdoor patio also for alcohol sales. When we.

O

Get done our renovations on the building, um but it wouldn't be till next spring. How about to go.

O

Well, marilyn the rule to for alcohol to go has no it. There is you're allowed to serve 10 percent of.

L

Your floor space can be used for a carryout. You can sell six packs cases and bottles of wine to go.

O

Well, the wine we were I was will be in the little bottle. So I don't think people are.

O

Going to want to do carryout, but we're not going to do you have to keep on it out it's available.

A

You don't have to okay. I was wondering if you had any intentions of selling beer to go and so.

A

On and so forth, in that respect, no six packs to go. No, because there's the liquor store right down.

O

The street they can go there um if the rule that went into effect during covid, where that's out.

O

That's out if that ever came back into effect, doing adult hot chocolates, adult milkshakes.

O

I particularly enjoyed jmp had sangrias bottles of sangria to go so I could bring my pasta dinner.

O

Home curl up on the couch and have a have a sangria because they have very good sangria. But.

O

If that were to come back into effect, then that would be something I would specialty drinks, but.

O

Not six packs the law would have to be changed to do that. The governor, when the pandemic hit issued.

A

An executive order that drinks could be fixed to go, but that expired june, 1st july 1st july, 1st.

K

Any other questions.

A

You have some gentlemen in the back. Are they here to testify on your behalf.

O

I davenport and alex periconi.

L

Come on up to the microphone so that microphone thinks the name and address for the record.

Q

I'm andy andy davenport d-a-v-e-n-p-o-r-t and I live at 2109 vale road- and this is my son.

Q

Bentley davenport and sue is actually bentley's godmother, so he wanted to be here to support her.

Q

I've known sue 23 years now I was one of her first month, customers at dutch corner.

Q

I'm a frequenter there. I have a suggested menu items and they're very good. She can cook.

Q

I have had family thanksgiving dinners at dutch corner. I've had christmas dinners with my family.

Q

At dutch corner, because it's too many people to house at my house and we worked a menu out and.

Q

She was able to provide service for that and that's worked really well so expanding into.

Q

That type of thing would be awesome for her and for dutch corner and the manchester community.

Q

I've actually worked at dutch corner when I got laid off, and I worked five years on sundays as a.

Q

Server there very familiar with the the business, the layout, the whole operations of dutch corner.

Q

I have a 16 year old son, who is currently employed there as a busboy and dishwasher.

Q

And he's been there two years now, I believe, started when he was 14. and the one thing that.

Q

That dutch corner does is mentors to the kids to the the back of the house, kids to show them.

Q

Responsibility to show them that, when they're out in the public, how to act- and your name is.

Q

Associated with working at dutch corner so be responsible, be respectful and that's something.

Q

That today's society does not really teach so we need to keep on encouraging these young kids.

Q

He's got four more years and he's going to be working at dutch corner I'll, say something quick.

L

Is she fit and proper to hold a liquor license.

K

Say that again, is she fit and proper to hold her liquor license? Yes,.

Q

And I agree with that. Thank you very much. America.

R

Good morning, commission, my name is alex paraconi p-e-r-r-I-c-o-n-e. I come to you in kind of a dual.

R

Role today, first of all, as a lifelong manchester resident, I think susan and I first met each other.

R

Somewhere about 10 11 years old, through church and through growing up and going to school together,.

R

I'm been a frequenter of dutch corner since the days back uh when jake and anne owned.

R

The building, which would take it back into the early 70s susan, is fit and capable of handling.

R

A liquor license to establish the business and also further the customers that she gets. It is.

R

A staple of our community, my second part, is as the town of manchester administrator I'm.

R

Here to support her, we support our businesses in manchester. They are a vital part of the community.

R

Susan would be filling a niche that a lot of people don't know we have or have not.

R

Used that special event, as she said the nice evening, services that she's done for holidays.

R

That's a nice place for people to go without having to leave town and again anything that.

R

Bolsters our main street business is a concern of the town, and the town has confidence in dutch.

R

Corner that they will conduct themselves properly. I thank you for the chance to speak this morning.

R

Have a great day, so you feel she's a fit and proper person. The older liquor. Absolutely sir.

A

Any other questions of is it real.

A

I have one question: yes, sir, this will go beyond your time. Maybe the town managers.

A

What's the guy's name, a little short guys, I thought his first name was george.

A

That had not just corner 50 years ago, george, essex, georgia. Thank you. Yes, sir, he was my neighbor been.

A

Trying to think of that, since the last time I went through manchester about a month ago, george.

O

Right and so that's how it became duck's corner right.

K

Right that does go way back, sir. What's uh was it uh sterling not sterling lease that owned? The.

A

Shell station, just below your establishment years ago, station at the north end of town.

R

No, it's right! It's right below it's right below dutch corner there. Of course, that's the rodents.

R

Okay, thank you has nothing to do with the case of hands.

Q

Don't buy my gas there and I can see. One of your uh names on here was a uh a minister, so.

A

I think he feels she's a fit and proper person, sam chamberlain, sam yeah. Yes, sir, I have recently.

Q

Lost my job and have taken on the responsibility of the care of my 83 year old mother, who has.

Q

Dementia, uh currently, she is with my older son. She did not want to come here today. I was trying.

Q

To get her here, but she was not able to do that today. That allowed me to be a person more involved.

Q

In my church and I have now become a leader- and I am now currently doing- church services.

Q

From start to finish, so, I still say, sue's capable of having a liquor license good. Thank you.

A

Any further questions about my colleagues of missouri.

A

That testimony and evidence is closed. We'll summarize, before we make a decision.

A

Inspectors, do you have any comments to make? um I do believe susan will be a improper person.

L

To hold a liquor license and dutch corner is a proper location for the liquor license.

A

Israel would you like to make any closing comments.

O

Community for us to continue to serve. You know our community and that's been one of.

O

The foundations of becoming an independent business owner for me is to participate.

O

In the community and do what I can and I would like to just be able to continue that.

A

With that, testimony in evans is closed and we will now discuss.

K

Come to a conclusion professors, your comments, motions. It's extremely apparent to me that mr roe.

B

Has done her homework? We actually spoke during the seminar where she was putting out. Feelers seemed.

B

Like she spoke to keith, she has made herself aware of the woos of liquor, license ownership.

B

um I commend you on doing such a great job for a long time and I had a breakfast and lunch spot and.

B

I know there's 5 a.m mornings, and I don't think I would ever have wanted to go into the evening.

B

Too, but good for you and I'm glad that you're looking forward to the needs of the community.

B

um You have to places have closed and places have suffered that that you're still able to be.

B

There and and be able to help out in your area. So I absolutely commend you with that and with.

B

All the testimony and the character witness and such I absolutely find her to be a fit.

B

And proper person to hold a liquor license, but I will defer to commissioner barnhart at this point.

H

I embrace all the comments of commissioner mulwini, clearly you're a fit and proper.

H

Person- and I have heard today plenty of reasons to approve to a vote to vote for this application.

H

The expansion of your business, your business plan, I think, is going to be.

H

um Successful and an excellent amenity to the community, as mentioned by.

H

Some of your witnesses, um I think you know what you're doing uh you have done a great.

H

Job in the past, I think you'll continue to do a great job with your future plans. So.

H

I have to chairman I'm prepared to make a motion at this time if it's appropriate. Please do I move.

H

In the case of 6461, which is an application for a new class b, beer wine and liquor license.

H

Be issued to susan l rill, I move that that application be approved by this board.

A

Is there a second in the motion? I wholeheartedly. Second, that motion.

A

Ocean's been properly bathed in the second that we approve an application for a new class b beer wine.

A

And liquor license to be issued to susan l, rill for the use of snick inc trading. As dutch dutch's.

A

Corner 3154 main street manchester maryland 210 21102. Is there any further discussion on the.

A

Motion hearing none all those in favor signify is saying: aye aye, those no so order. Congratulations.

A

Miss real thank you. It's apparent to me that you have a plan in mind and I congratulate you.

A

For that, with the reputation that has been a a stable of manchester, as far as I can remember,.

A

Congratulations. Thank you. Last time I was in dutch's corner was joe getty. His last.

A

Election campaign for senators, so you know the last time I was in there.

A

Which is not good and now he's retired. What I sell them get to manchester.

A

Other than in the evening when I go through so now, you're going to be open so.

A

Maybe I'll make a visit, great congratulations and best wishes and good luck, anything that.

A

Our office can do to assist you in a way of information or materials and so forth.

A

Please don't hesitate to call thank you and joe vance say. Thank you. Oh you're. Welcome with that.

N

Yeah, unless there's some objection, this meeting is adjourned until 1 45.

A

We're going to do a little unfinished business here, according to the business meeting.

A

I got a request from the town of new windsor.

A

For their music on main festival on october, the 7th for one day liquor license any objections. No.

A

Request for mount airy bowling lanes to hold a cornhole tournament on the grassy lot across.

A

Their parking lot from the building they're going to keep all the alcohol in that the.

L

Grass area no one's going to leave that area to walk back to the lanes with with alcohol.

F

A

Yeah I've been trying to picture my mind and grass a lot I mean. There's the mount.

L

Airy lines in the parking lot and then there's a grouchy level area past the parking lot is there.

H

A brewery near there is there a brewery next door liquid. Liquid liquidity is right around.

L

The corner, so it's right around the corner from where they're going to have us. I mean it's about.

L

Police station as well hi, three quarters a mile: oh okay, I'm not mistaken about that!.

F

So [music] is it enclosed? Do they say yes, there's going to be a closed area, then not allowing.

L

Alcohol to leave that area, and we have bar in that area. They cannot leave any where awesome.

A

Stratosphere to hold an oktoberfest event on saturday september 30th on the grassy area outside.

A

Their facility- and they have a coming map of an agency area. Now they have a patio outside. It's.

L

A patio and slash grass- that is grass next to the patio it's this is the second year they've done it.

E

I went there last year and it was pretty well uh organized. Is there any accidents? No.

E

Where I have to either, did you bowl? No, you just went knee.

E

They had good sausages.

H

The fourth things we were talking about at lunch, no.

A

Just the point here on that list that you sent, did you not list that twice? Okay, I thought that's all.

A

One day, what are you seeing twice? That's what I was thinking here. Did I see something twice.

A

One day liquor license application for an outdoor event. Well I'll skip that one for.

A

The time being, let's do the letters from the upper deck lorenzio's brick oven, cafe, asking.

A

To be allowed to participate in the main street wine and cheese event on august 17th, they've.

A

Done this before right, keith? Yes, any objections, no objections. No, I don't see it on my. I skipped.

A

One yeah it's for upper deck and the upper deck lorenzo's brick oven cafe. Next to the last one.

A

The last one is a request from union bridge vfw to be able to rope off and use their parking lot.

A

For their august, 19 2023 annual picnic to play games and be able to consume alcoholic beverages.

A

We've done this in the past. They've done this to pass, and we have one more that.

L

Came in, I forgot to put it to give it to joe any objections. Do union bridge vfw.

D

I made one keith gave me after we started.

D

Mount airy lanes would like to request a one-day permit for their annual crab feast.

D

They will be setting up tables in their front grassy area, surrounded by chain link and covered.

D

With a tent on wednesday august 16th from 6 to 11 pm, there's a diaphragm, who is that.

L

Mount airy lanes larry lanes again. I forgot this. I forgot to give it to jail. It came to me directly.

K

Are you losing your memory some days? Yes, I thought I'd. Ask you any objections.

B

Chain link fence, okay, my watch is 145 and our next scheduled case 64 62 is scheduled at 1 45. Mr dixon.

A

Please, okay 6462 an application for new class b beer wine and liquor license to be issued to.

C

Rukita patel for the use of crossroads bar and grill llc trading as thunderhead bar and.

C

Grill 4337 old, tony town, road tontitown, maryland 21787 in election district, one.

C

To follow this matter, we have the following documents:.

C

A july 28 2023 notice of public hearing a july 21st, 2023 notice of public hearing.

C

A response to joe vance's request of air state and local agencies from lisa staley health.

C

Department, the above reference establishment, does meet the requirements of this office.

C

A response to joe vance's request to various state and local agencies from.

C

Daryl hale zoning and code enforcement officer city of taneytown, the above.

C

Referenced establishment does meet the requirements of this office.

C

There is a response to joe vance's request of air state local agencies.

C

From belinda gazelle collections office, the above.

C

Reference establishment does meet the requirements of this office.

C

And then there is a.

C

Application: oh no there's a july 11 2023 letter from joe vance to miss.

C

uh India, phillips revenue, specialist comptroller of the treasury.

C

And then there is.

C

A july 11 2023 letter from joe vance to rakita patel, there's a july 6 2023 letter from kelly.

C

Schaefer miller to the board, then there's the application and the application includes character.

C

References see just information, mva records workers, comp insurance menu, lease other licensed.

C

Establishments floor plans, plot plans, operating agreement, sdat information, corporate information.

C

And corporate information, I would ask that the file be entered into evidence.

C

You'll accept that in evidence this time I would ask all those who attend to testify.

A

In this case, please stand raise your right hand and be sworn in by ms vance.

J

Thank you. Do you swear or affirm, under the penalties of perjury, that the testimony.

D

You're about to give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

D

Thank you you all may be seated with that. Welcome miss kelly. You may proceed. Thank you good morning.

J

Kelly schaefer miller, 73 east main street westminster maryland 21157. I'm here today.

J

On behalf of the applicant crossroads bar and grill llc I'll briefly open and then I'll call.

J

My first witness, I think, you're all familiar with this establishment. This was the thunderhead bullet.

J

This is the thunderhead bowling alley. It recently transferred ownership. The license was handed in.

J

From the previous owner and now we're going through a new license, holder process for the.

J

Prospective purchaser of the eating establishment within the thunderhead bowling center, so just.

J

Similar to how it was operated previously, this is just an application for a new license. Instead of a.

J

Transfer of license because of the kind of lapse in between when the establishment was sold and.

J

Now the new application has come forward, so there was no transfer of inventory or anything under a.

J

Transfer, this is the same application. You would have otherwise seen it's just in the form of a.

J

New license request, so this would be for a class b beer wine liquor, which is what was previously the.

J

License class of this is this establishment and commissary patel is here today as the.

J

Applicant and so if there aren't any questions at this time, I will start with her testimony.

J

Any questions I am thank you. I will also briefly say that we have several members of the audience.

J

Here, who are well one mr mark krauss, who was the previous owner of the center and.

J

Then uh karen jody and todd- I'm sorry, I don't know everybody's last names who are all associated with.

J

The bowling alley have been employees there and will stay employees there in varying capacities.

J

Management and otherwise, and so they will maintain an active role in this establishment with the new.

J

Owner so they are here to observe and chime in, to the extent that they can answer any.

J

Specific questions that this board has so with that I will first call miss ruchita patel, so.

J

Ruchito, can you please state your name, spelling your last name and your address for the record.

S

Ruchita patel 1125 mariana avenue, westminster, maryland 21157.

J

And miss patel. Is it correct that you are a member of crossroads bar and grill llc? Yes,.

J

Can you tell us how much ownership interest you have in that llc? I have a 40, okay, make sure you're.

J

Speaking up into this microphone too, just so that everyone can hear you just pull it closer.

S

I have a 40 okay and who are the other members of that llc? She owns 40 jalak patel. She owns.

S

20 percent, and how do you know those other two people? I've been friends with them: okay,.

J

And you know them well enough to trust them in a business relationship. Yes, I do.

J

Now you heard me in my opening, but I'll ask you to confirm this business will operate a restaurant.

J

And and bar inside of what is known as the thunderhead bowling alley, correct, that's correct!.

J

And that is an existing restaurant operation that this llc will be taking over. Is that accurate? Yes,.

J

Now part of the service at this restaurant and bar area historically and as applied for serves.

J

The entire bowling alley area correct: that's good! Yes! Okay! So do you anticipate that that.

J

Will remain the same with your license? Yes, okay, and can you explain the tables.

J

And the bowling lanes within the establishment will those have table service? How? How does that.

J

Work, we are going to keep the table service, okay, so the the lanes and the tables in the restaurant.

J

Area and the lanes and the bowling alley area will have table service. Correct it's good, yes, okay,.

J

And is it also your intent to maintain similar hours to what previously existed? Yes,.

J

Can you walk us through those general hours of operation.

S

um Monday to thursday we're going to do eight am to 8 45 pm, um thursday and friday. It will be 8.

S

Am to 10 p.m and saturday and saturday it'll be 8, am to 10 30 p.m and sunday, it'll be 8, am to 5 p.m.

J

And those are the approximate hours that exist today for the restaurant operation.

J

Correct, that's correct, yes, okay, and are you aware of whether there is an existing kind.

J

Of surveillance system within the whole bowling center area- yes, that is um a camera camera system.

S

In the bowling area, okay, and is it your intent to keep that or ultimately upgrade that system.

J

We are planning to keep that and upgrade that too okay. Okay, and do you have any personal experience.

J

In the restaurant industry, no, I don't, what do you do for a living, miss patel, I'm a software engineer.

J

Is there an existing manager at the restaurant who will remain a manager? Yes, karen hill is going.

S

To be a restaurant manager, okay, can you say that again, karen hills, karen? Yes, karen hills,.

S

She's going to be a restaurant manager she's here today I was thank you, mr benford. That's.

J

Exactly what I was going to say and she's here today, right, ruchita, okay, yeah she's.

J

um What will your role in the in this operation be? Are you going to be a daily employee? There.

J

Are you oversight? What's? Can you explain your role so I'm going to oversight uh business.

S

um And I will be going there a couple of times a week.

J

Okay, and so in that capacity, you anticipate being there a few times a week, maybe more when.

J

It initially starts right, yes, okay and are you tam certified? Yes, I am okay. Will you require all.

J

Employees who serve alcoholic beverages to be tips or tam certified, they will be term certified. Yes,.

J

And approximately, how many employees do you anticipate having for the restaurant.

J

Operation about 20 people, okay, and that's just to clarify that's 20 people not on shift all the time.

J

But 20 people total correct right, full-time and part-time. Okay, now separate from the requirement.

J

That all employees serving be tam certified. Will you also have an in-house training program? Yes, so.

S

We are planning for a manager, training a weekly basis and we will have staff meeting every month.

J

And as part of the overall in-house training program, have you decided whether you will accept.

J

Vertical ids, no vertical id policy; okay, so you will have a policy across the board. No vertical.

J

Ids, correct, yes, that's correct! Okay, and have you also talked about what your carding policy will.

J

Be in terms of who gets carded. Yes, um we are going to card anyone who looks under 40., okay,.

J

Now, as part of the initial onboarding process for a new employee, uh would they be required.

J

To shadow an experienced employee, yes, we will be giving a full training and.

S

They will, they will be provided one big shadow if required, they can get more too.

J

And will you also be training your employees on this board's rules and regulations? Handbook? Yes,.

J

Have you discussed keeping an incident log, and are you going to do that? Yes, we are going to.

S

Keep the incident log okay, and are you aware of the state's attorney's diversion program where.

J

This board works with the state's attorney's office to identify servers responsible for.

J

We call this and underage underage sales, underage sale. Thank you, mr benford, for stepping in I was.

J

Thinking an illegal act but an alleged illegal act. um Are you aware of that program? Yes, I am.

J

Okay, will you be ensuring that all employees are trained that that exists and that they.

J

Could individually be held responsible through the state's attorney's office? Yes, they will be.

S

Yes, okay, we spoke about the um meetings between managers, that manager meetings and then the full.

J

Staff meetings during those meetings is one of the intents to kind of remind everybody of the.

J

Policies and procedures- and you know, allow for any questions that employees might have about.

J

Things that have come up right and they'll be sharing their experience as well. If they.

S

Have any anything during their shift if they face any problem, they can share as well. Okay,.

J

Are you I, I believe that the previous establishment had this, but will you.

J

Have signage indicating these carding policies in terms of we don't accept verticals we card anyone.

J

Who looks under 40 will those be throughout the establishment? Yes, it will be on the front door.

S

And throughout the establishment, okay, so they'll be posted on the front door to the whole bowling.

J

Alley area and within the establishment- yes, yes, okay, and I just want you to clarify for.

J

This board previous the bowling alley, has a small outdoor patio area. Is that correct.

J

That's good ideas, do you, and do you anticipate that this restaurant will continue utilizing.

J

That area, just as was previously yes, we are going to utilize. It are you familiar with the.

J

Board's rules and regulations- yes, I am, are you willing to comply with all of those? Yes, okay,.

J

Those are my only questions for miss patel. Excuse me questions just kelly clarify something for me.

A

Yes and keep referring to the restaurant operation, how about the operation? The bowling lanes.

J

So there are two separate entities and historically obviously have been yes correct. So.

J

There's a business that controls the bowling alley. Well, actually, there's really three: if you look at.

J

It that way: okay, because there's a an entity that controls the real estate, an entity that controls.

J

The bowling alley, establishment and then an entity that controls the restaurant establishment.

A

That leads me to this question the hours that she gave. Yes, are they co-existent with the bowling.

A

Alleys hours, the bowling alley's hours differ slightly not drastically, but there is a difference.

J

In the bowling alley's hours, so if she closes at 10 30. bowling alley may go to 11 or so correct.

J

And that will maintain the same as it was: that's how it was operated previously. So.

J

That will maintain the same. They do have a large customer base of bowling leagues and those sorts.

J

Of things who are accustomed to those hours, so the intent is to make everything relatively.

J

Seamless, except for this few month lapse and having the liquor license at the restaurant.

J

And alcohol will be served at the tables, yes and you drop down it's a lot where the lanes are and.

A

They'll be able to serve alcohol to the guys seated around those bouncers or ladies correct.

H

That was that table service going to be conducted.

H

Who's going to do the carding, those kind of things yeah, whoever the bartender and or server on duty.

J

Is who's managing each they're? It's similar to a restaurant, um where you know you have, depending on.

J

The level of staff and how busy of the period of day it is how many people are on staff. You.

J

Have a waitress who serves and is responsible for that lane, so that is their responsibility and also.

J

They reap the tips from the service at that lane. Their call buttons on the lanes too, for service.

J

And I think the intent is to be able to order food through some kind of system at the lanes.

J

But obviously not alcohol, because the karting and everything has to occur so that will just be if.

J

If a server hasn't come to you quickly enough or as frequently as you're looking for your server.

J

Is not there at your lane, you can press a call button and the server will then come to the link.

H

So if you're sitting down at a lane- and you want service of a alcoholic beverage.

H

Your person, your person, who's designated that lane comes walking around and you just raise your hand.

H

Right, after not there as soon as you would like, you could always push the call button and they'll.

H

Send some send that person down correct and generally in that case it would be the server's.

H

Responsibility to check the age of the customer- yes well! Well, they have pictures available. Are.

J

There pictures on the menu, do you know like? Can you get a picture of beer? Historically, there.

J

Have been so, I believe that the intent would be to continue that practice, so you can take.

A

A picture of beer to the lane: well, a server could serve a pitcher of beer to the lane. Yes or someone.

J

And get it by a picture there's nobody. There there's no way. We've talked this through a little.

J

Bit, there's no way of stopping somebody from walking up to the bar, but the intent is to really.

J

Control it through the lane or the table, because it really does also benefit the server to have.

J

It you know why. Why have a server who should be getting tipped for something when people are just.

J

Ignoring that and walking up so I mean it will be controlled to the best of the policy will be.

J

That you get table service, you stay at your table, you call a server, but it 100. You can't guarantee.

J

That there's not going to be that one person who says oh, this is taking too long and walks.

J

Themselves up to the bar, where then the bartender will be responsible for that exchange? Does your.

H

Client have any financial interest in the entity that runs the uh bowling alley. No, she does not.

B

You have a thought of having a policy for the repercussions of serving a.

B

Minor either be a penalty and or reward if one of your servers serves a minor.

J

We talked a little bit about that, and rachita can confirm um the the general policy, as you can be.

J

Terminated but it's a case-by-case assessment of what the situation was and what happened. But.

J

They do have and I I did not bring a copy. Well, look. You have a copy with you, okay, so here's a.

J

Copy, I will hand you a copy of kind of their general alcohol service policy and the intent.

J

Would be to get every employee to sign this, and so this notifies the employee that they.

J

Can be terminated for any infraction, and it also does outline the incentive program that they've.

J

Come up with, which is a bonus, it's similar to what you've heard for other establishments.

J

I believe it's a cash bonus and that will be reevaluated and adjusted. You know, as appropriate.

H

And it mentions vertical licenses horizontal licenses, things like that. Yes,.

B

And I'm sure miss patel is aware that, regardless of who serves the alcohol.

B

Ultimately, she is the person that will be coming in front of this board.

B

um Should should that occurrence happen? That's a moment of that [music] you're keeping this.

B

So say, for example, the waitress goes to a lane.

B

And one person orders: are they going to card everyone in the group.

N

T

Okay and I'm I'm happy to call any of them up just say that themselves. But I will say that.

J

For a picture, everyone gets carded um other than that it's an individual carding policy.

H

So it's pretty much continuation of how business was run previously. That's the goal.

J

um To maintain uniformity for all the customers as well.

A

Dr benfer, if I go next door and get a beer, I walk in the bowling alley with no no, but the intent is.

J

To serve that that brewery fires beer on tap one day, so that's that's the goal, but right now, when.

L

Brewery fired first, she first replied that we were taught we're, trying to figure out how to.

L

Do it and fire marshall was not allowing it to happen because the way the doors were set up so.

L

Previously brewery fire had cans of beer on over there.

H

And this purchase is, I think, said, prospective yeah yeah. So it's not consummated and.

H

I think a sign the lease is not signed and police is not signed.

J

Everything's in draft form pending this process.

A

And the product this process, the liquid board,.

B

So, going on the assumption that everything's running the same way.

B

With pretty much the same people that it had run before, what fell.

B

Through the cracks in april of 21, when there was a violation.

J

I can't speak for april of 21 when there's a violation, because I wasn't the attorney at that.

J

Point in time, so all I can say is you know, um miss patel is well aware of the rules and regulations.

J

You know she and she has a solid policy on how to train employees and how to work with karen.

J

And jody as well for the training of employees- and I I think she'll- do everything she can to prevent.

J

Any future violations there's two forty percent stockholders correct and 20., who calls the shots.

J

Well, the the llc operating agreement outlines the voting and the voting is done by based on your.

J

Percentage so majority of it yes, majority vote so either 40 stakeholder needs that 20 person. Yes,.

H

For each other I mean, but yes right. Yes, yes and they're friends, they're.

H

Not relatives is that right, no they're, not relatives they're, just friends.

K

All the questions.

K

Other questions.

K

Next witness thank you. I would next call my two character witnesses, so I remember everybody's last.

J

Name but mr dennis and mr rajesh, if you could just come up and sit right here in these two chairs,.

J

Dennis will start with you, since you're closest, please state your name, spelling.

J

Your last name and address for the record uh dennis wilderson jr w-I-l-d, as in dog,.

U

E-R-S-O-N address is 1130 mariana avenue, westminster maryland two one, one: five, seven.

J

Dennis how do you know ruchita, neighbors, okay and approximately? How long have you.

J

Known her over four years now, do you know her well enough to say whether she's a fit.

J

And proper person to hold a liquor license. I know her well enough to trust her with my kids.

J

Are you familiar with this bowling alley that we've been talking about.

J

Do you think that it will also serve a benefit to the public to continue having a restaurant with.

J

Alcohol privileges at that establishment- I do those are my only questions of do you bow there.

V

I did when I was in college when I went to western maryland. It's in the alley: middle [laughter].

V

It was a league a long time ago, candles talking about tempan or duck handles candle candle, pins.

H

Handle pins, never bowled down, it's like new england or something I'm used to doing duck.

V

Pen from down south baltimore and then came up here to get my 10 pin experience.

H

Enough further questions.

J

Thank you, mr rajesh. Can you please spell your name or state your name.

J

Spell your last name and address for the record.

W

G-O-P-I-N-A-T-H-A-N-203 zachary drive westminster maryland two one, one: five, seven.

J

How do you know ruchita patel, we've been friends for little over five years now: okay,.

J

And have you in that time have you found her to be a trustworthy and responsible person? Yes,.

W

Do you believe she's a fit and proper person to hold a liquor license? Are you familiar with this.

J

Bowling alley: yes, okay, and do you believe that it will be a benefit to continue having a restaurant.

J

Establishment at that location with liquor privileges I do these are my only questions.

K

No questions, no questions. Thank you. That concludes my testimony. As I introduced, there are several.

J

People here from the bowling alley, if there were specific questions, I think most of those have been.

J

Answered, but if there are any specific questions, um we're happy to answer this, I would like to.

H

Know more about the role of the manager, how how often she is there? Is she a full-time employee.

H

uh You know just to give us an idea of her role. Aaron, I think you tell me who's the best person.

J

It's the hot seat: okay,.

J

So can you please state your name, spelling your last name and address for the record.

J

Karen hill h-I-l-l-415 cherry oak court, taneytown maryland 21787.

J

And can you just um respond to mr barnhart's questions if you heard them just about your role.

J

How often you're there um I am there pretty much daily um six, mostly seven days a week.

T

um Responsible for all the kitchen ordering, you know, scheduling.

T

Oh arable back end stuff. How long have you been involved in the establishment? Karen.

T

um Pretty much on and off for 45 years, 44 years, 10 years, steady, steady, full-time, the last 10 years.

J

Mr barnhart, I tried to recall your questions, but if you, if I missed one, please obviously you're.

H

Full-Time yes, sir. Obviously, you've had prior experience there with the service of alcohol.

H

Beverages to the bowlers, yes, sir, um is anything going to change that concerns you or are you happy.

H

With the continuity, um I have no concerns with it. The only thing we're basically changing is.

T

More of a table service and on the alcohol side, as opposed to people just coming up and getting.

T

It and taking it, we feel that it can be controlled better if we have designated servers. Our servers.

T

If they are not tams or tips, certified will not be allowed to serve it all. So we're being a.

T

Little more strict on that, so they just had tam's training sunday night for everybody pretty much so.

T

I would say at least 80 percent of our staff is tam certified now, so the table service is a new.

H

Part of the services that you open- I mean we've done that before, but not so much we're trying.

T

To keep them to ordering it from the tables now, as opposed to coming to the bar, we feel.

T

We can control that a little better and our main counter personnel are also certified, so they can.

T

Watch to see make sure everybody's doing the right thing: a bartender there um pretty much.

T

Everybody just kind of does it, but we are looking into having a full-time bartender mixed drinks are.

H

They available, they are on the prospective plan. Yes up until now, it's just been beer and wine.

A

Thank you were you there when leon? I can't think yes, sir, I was leon was.

T

There yeah I've been through all the owners. It's been good.

T

Okay, sir, do you serve my boys when they bowled up there? I didn't serve anybody.

A

I can tell you this complete the festival, you're all my age, so they were well over 21 when they.

A

Were there um my I my personal opinion, is I don't you could walk in and I'd card you? That's me. You.

T

Wouldn't have to guard me, I would um no, I we're very. Did you card that guy with that wild tie on.

A

There, the mustache right here, no, I didn't she probably did, though jody probably did.

A

Any more questions about myself. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you.

A

Now the lady in red, plattsburgh she's back there smiling it's your turn to get on the hot seat.

J

Can you please state your name, spelling your last name and address for the record.

J

Jody narwanski n-a-r-o-w-a-n-s-k-I.

I

Bruce 4607 ruggles road taneytown, maryland 21787.

K

What what is your position there? I am the manager on the bowling side on the bowling side.

A

Well, if one of our her customers spills beer on the lanes, who's going to pay for the resurfacing.

I

Usually they don't get they don't. We don't allow it beyond the tables.

I

In the seating area where the lanes are so you don't know because of that, okay.

D

Can you spell your last name a little bit slower, please n, a r o w a n s k. I thank you.

I

You're welcome, so beverages won't be taken down to the scoring table not down to the actual lanes.

A

You got what 14 and 14. 12 and 16 12 and 16 12 ducks 12 ducks. What's a house record per set.

A

Goodness, do you remember.

I

504 for ducks.

A

Oh you're, talking about first single.

I

That's a sad it's a single set for an individual bowler game. Heistat would be firefox or.

I

Any other questions yeah. Thank you very much. Thank you. Jody.

A

Carry on miss. That concludes my my testimony, so I, like, I said I think we I think, we've now.

J

Answered all the questions, but if there are any questions, we're here and happy to answer them, if.

J

Not my testimony has concluded testimony then, unless you have some questions, commissioners.

A

Is concluded, I do not, but niche looks like he's dying, you're just going to tell us what.

A

You think about tony town and- and I make one comment the last time you spoke on behalf of.

A

An applicant up there is no longer there, so I'd be all careful what you say, mr chairman, thank you.

X

um I hope that that my thoughts for this board are not responsible for the applicant leaving.

X

Tawny town, I don't believe that they are. um I am jay mishi, 17, east baltimore, street tiny town.

X

um I am the economic development director we are in support of this application. The class b beer.

X

Wine liquor license um the price. The premises excuse me has been licensed for many years.

X

um We've not experienced any negative effects. um I have reviewed the video of the board hearing.

X

um In 2021, when there was a citation, and at the time, mr chairman, you noted that thunderhead had.

X

Previously passed, 12 compliance checks and had an excellent reputation in the community.

X

And there have not, based on my research, been any violation since that time and.

X

I think the former good reputation uh and operation is relevant because the.

X

New owners have expressed to us that they're going to maintain management.

X

um I know both of the managers well and I think that their commitment to an engagement with our.

X

Community is going to lead to continued adherence to the laws, regulations and policies of the board.

X

The city and the state, um ms schaefer miller, said that it's currently a beer wine or recently.

X

Had been a beer wine and liquor license, my understanding had been that it was limited.

X

To beer and wine, but we do not believe that the addition of liquor service will have any negative.

X

Effect, customers don't currently patronize thunderhead to go drinking and we don't think.

X

That the addition of liquor is going to suddenly convert it into into a bar tavern. But I appreciate.

X

You considering the city's views and if you have any questions of me, I am happy to answer them.

K

We have no questions. Could you spell your name.

C

What's the first letter m as in mary, okay e, a s h e y, what's your first name.

X

J j, a y and you're here in your official capacity, that's correct.

A

I think you did say bigger one.

J

I may have said beer wine like I. I honestly can't I think about the time the license was beer wine.

A

I think you said beer one, but this is beer. Wine, liquor, correct. Okay, testimony has closed period.

A

So if ands or butts, we will now move into any final comments which we'd like to make. Thank.

J

You we appreciate being here today, I think you've heard from a very qualified applicant who's really.

J

Put some thought and consideration into the training of employees and is really utilizing.

J

The valuable expertise of the existing management and staff at the facility to help in that role as.

J

Well, the goal here is to maintain a consistent establishment that existed previously and and.

J

Offer the same offerings are similar to all of the clientele and customers who continue to come.

J

There, hopefully new customers as well, but there is a solid existing customer base that frequences.

J

Establishment and so it's the immediate intent to meet the needs of those customers and patrons so.

J

With that, I would ask that this board grant the class b beer wine and liquor license. That's been.

J

Applied for subject to any final approvals that need to go through in terms of health department,.

J

Building permits, so thank you. Thank you. Specter. Will you have any comments to make um I've never.

L

Met the applicant, so I can't tell by her character, but I do know to both these managers and they're.

L

Both staying on so I'll be very supportive issuing a liquor license because they're still working it.

A

Okay, testimony notice is now closed and we will ask the commission to deliberate.

A

As to the disposition of the request, I'd just like to make a couple comments.

A

As being aware of the establishment for for many many years- and it's been my experience.

A

While I sponsored a couple teams up there for years after they closed.

A

Westminster where martin's west is or martins is, it's always been a family type run operation.

A

And uh my boys, at both for me, always had nice remarks to make compliments about the food and.

A

So on and so forth, and I could say that I've been there several times for, I guess breakfasts and so.

A

Forth sponsored by various organizations up there, it's always been a family type operation that.

A

Was yours [music] well, mr chairman, um as usual, the application was well presented by council.

H

um The client was clearly advised of almost all the concerns that this board would have, and she.

H

I think understands them and provided us with the answers that.

H

Give us complete comfort in that regard. I also think she's, obviously fit and proper person.

H

To have a liquor license, she is a her character. Witnesses were pretty clear.

H

About that- and they were very sincere, and so I accept every good thing they said about you and.

H

I'm also happy to see the continuity and management you know that gives me comfort.

H

Because, as the chairman said, that bowling alley has is, has a reputation and in fact is very has.

H

Been very well run in the past and it looks like you're going to continue that and.

H

Certainly uh expect that you will be successful and it was the comments I have and I.

H

But ask if there's any other comments from the board? Well, I george said everything I.

B

Was going to say, um kelly always has a great presentation for us covers every avenue and.

B

Informs her clients as to what we're going to expect, and this patel is obviously has looked into.

B

Everything that she needed to do to make things right, and I appreciate the fact that.

B

She's keeping the management on as it is and and keeping things kind of the same, even if they're.

B

Going to be different, so um that being said, I will refer back to commissioner barnhart for.

H

Let's not get into a discussion, somebody make a motion, uh uh mr chair, and I'm.

H

Prepared to make a motion at this time and the motion would be as follows in case 4662.

H

Which is an application for a new class b, pier one liquor license to be issued to rashida patel.

H

I move that the application uh granted by this board.

A

And properly made, in second end that hunter case 6462, an application for class b, beer wine and.

A

Liquor license to be issued to receipt up, tell for the use of crossroads bar and grill llc trading.

A

As thunderhead bar and grill 43, 37 old, tony town, road taneytown, maryland 21787 be approved.

A

Any further discussion on the motion hearing- none all those in favor signify by saying aye.

A

Aye opposed no so order. Congratulations, miss patel! Thank you, miss kelly for where you're an excellent.

A

Job as always, thank you. Congratulations to all you in the back and whoever the one-third you're.

A

Representing and so on, and so forth, good luck and also to the town of tony town. Thank you. Thank you.

A

Okay, we got one more item of business here that we passed over in case there's some discussion.

A

It is a one day: liquor license application for an outdoor event.

A

From m2 helping neighbors nice np to hold a lost, penis, dmv family festival.

A

Fundraising event: on sunday september 3rd 2023 at 5301, woodbine road in woodbine.

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A

There are some questions I believe and mr chairman, I have a few concerns.

H

I don't know if they rise to the level that would support a rejection, but.

L

Come on yeah, you missed it up here: you're gonna, call they're, gonna call you, okay,.

L

um Keith, we need your attention. Okay, I mean they're, a non-profit. We describe that.

L

They live in maryland, uh they're, not the non-profit, is not in maryland. Well, a non-profit.

H

Is in virginia, and so does the the name on the non-profit is the applicant lives in maryland?.

L

The applicant well right: it's all that's required yeah, but is.

H

The applicant supposed to be part of the non-profit or not.

L

We don't know if you're not they could be, they can be employee from the non-profit.

H

But the applicant is the landowner who just acquired that land a few months ago.

Y

um I I just I don't know if I have a.

H

I don't know if it's necessary that I have a complete picture, but I'm not sure I have a complete picture of how the thing is going to be run. I know that they are selling tickets.

H

And I don't know whether those tickets include complimentary beverages or not.

H

Or all you can drink or not. um I looked at the application. What I was planning doing is going.

L

Out there, friday, before the event and make sure everything is above board, what they're.

L

Saying and I can express those concerns and find that out and then issue the license, then.

L

If you have those questions, whatever questions, you have okay, so so you're going to make it like.

H

A preemptive visit I do that for every event, the new one and I was I was.

H

Stay for the record this. This is a new event for us right. We don't have any familiarity with the.

H

Applicant a lot of these one-day licenses, we know who they are and I've dealt with them in the past.

H

And you've dealt with them in the past and you've been you're able to tell us about past conduct.

H

We don't have that here, um but usually with new events. That's why I do I usually go. We use myself.

L

A gym would be out there and go out there make sure everything looks good before the event or the.

L

Day of the van, if there's a problem, I will have them fix it or they would not have the license.

H

So I noticed that they did ask for some sheriff presence, carroll county sheriff presence. I don't.

L

Know if they give a response, I can I can email and find out, but I know they're using a private.

L

Security forum to secure and that's good, you know um I saw that in an email uh exchange.

H

There might be a little bit of a traffic issue that on where the county is concerned, enough.

H

About that or not, but if there were some sheriffs present, I think that that would not be a concern.

H

Of this board, or just speaking from us, well I mean it's: it's not like a it's not like it.

L

Doesn't sound like it's gonna be a wedding. Where start it starts at one time, and everybody has to.

L

Be in by that time, and then everybody leaves at the same time this is a several hour events, so.

L

They can be coming to traffic won't be as bad. I believe yeah, because it's that it's not it's.

L

Staggered- and it can compare one, it looks like it's. A music festival basically, is what it is.

H

And it's and there's maybe eight or nine different performers identified in there haven't looked on.

L

The website to find so so it looks like it's gonna, be a long day event and I understand.

H

What you're saying that it doesn't necessarily mean there'll, be a crush crunch at one time.

H

But if everyone leads at the same time, it might be a little bit of an issue because.

H

uh It's on woodbine road right, the the access is on woodbine road and from what I can tell.

H

Looking at the at the google earth, the way in is just a single lane kind of a dirt road.

H

Driveway uh the property is, is ag, I think, there's a house on the property, but I'm not sure there is.

H

Yeah, it's, I think it's improved, but again it's the applicant just bought the land and the non-profit.

H

From what I can tell hasn't generated enough non-profit activity to require filing of a form.

H

990 with the irs, so this looks like maybe this might be their first rodeo. But if you're going to.

H

Go there uh beforehand and check things out, then I'm comfortable yeah, that's that what's the plan.

A

So these requests have to be filed so many days before our meeting.

H

I think it's 30 days exactly 30 days is this money is dated august 1st.

D

I um I mean I've always brought him to the board as long as they make it in before the hearing date.

H

And I think our rule does require uh a confined area, correct and- and you know that so so right.

L

So the map has a beer garden and I'll make sure. Basically, why I take the map and say: okay, this.

L

Is what you guys say, you're going to do, show me what you're doing yeah yeah and if it doesn't.

L

Go along the map, there's always leading to fix it or come some kind of solution. Okay,.

H

You know, I guess my last comment was that when I say dmv I'm sounds me like it's a multi-state.

H

Festival and could be a lot of traffic and, uh as I said, I can all go by the numbers that they put.

L

On the form they said: 450 500 people, 400, 500, yeah and and again being a small area. I hope.

L

That, I hope that's high, I mean, or it might be and another thing if it's a farm it might be, it might.

L

Be connecting property too, that that they might be using instead of parking or something like.

L

That I don't looks like there is, but I don't know so I'll, just until I get out there to see. I can't.

H

Well, I'm comfortable having you, you know, take a look, see and figure out. What's going on, do.

B

You know offhand in carroll county, but the notary is anne. Arundel county is that it doesn't matter.

K

You have any objections. I don't based on the.

B

Professor keith's going to go out and all right, keith.

A

Right here to your judgment, okay, thank you. That's agreeable to us all of us. I might even.

L

Bring jim along that would be a good idea. Yeah you need a shotgun rider or whether it's tie.

H

Whilst he's there you'll, be there oh you're amongst them to get them.

E

So I'll be amongst people. uh Okay at this time, I would ask our attorney mr.

A

Whatever his name is.

A

Mr dixon all right k-6463, an application for a new class h, beer, wine and liquor.

C

License to be issued to janelle hallbo for the use of mcdaniel college inc training as.

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Mcdaniel college to college hill westminster maryland 21157 an election district, seven.

C

And to follow this matter, we have the following documents:.

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July 28 2023 notice of public hearing july 21st, 2023 notice of public hearing there's.

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A response to joe vance's request of various state and local agencies from lisa staley health.

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Department, the above referenced establishment does meet the requirements of this office.

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There is a response to joe vance's request to various state and local agencies from belinda gazelle collections.

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Office, the above referenced establishment does meet the requirements of this office.

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It is july 11 2023 letter from joe vance to miss india, phillips.

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Revenue, specialist comptroller of the treasury.

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There is a july 11 2023 letter from joe vance to janelle holmbo.

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There is a july 6 2023 letter from eric simon phd.

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Vice president for administration and finance and cfo to the liquor board.

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And then there's an application and the application includes.

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Character, references mba records, criminal background information.

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Charter and bylaws floor and plot plans.

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Workman's comp information charter and bylaws sdat information and.

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Re retail businesses training wait a minute.

D

Alcohol awareness training certificates. I would ask that the file be entered in evidence.

A

They'll accept that into evidence this time I would ask all those who intend.

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To testify, in this case, please stand raise your right hands and be sworn in by ms vance.

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To testify, do you swear or affirm, under the penalties of perjury, that the testimony you're.

D

About to give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing, but thank you, baby seated, ai.

A

Remind all that, when you testify the first time to please speak into those microphones.

A

You can pull them before you state your full name and give your address and spell your last.

A

Name for the record, please, but that who is going to be the leads first parcels.

A

Janelle hambo last name h-o-l-m-b-o-e.

Z

The college's address is 2 college hill westminster maryland. My personal address is great.

Z

We are applying for the license outlined in the documents and materials.

Z

Primarily as a administrative efficiency for the institution.

Z

We frequently have events specifically with alumni trustees, donors, where we would like to.

Z

Have them purchase alcohol and this would facilitate the efficiency of that process.

A

Experience of these type of events- I take it. Yes, sir.

A

And this was for a class h, beer wine and liquor license correct.

A

And I assume you have delineated where these alcoholic beverages will be available on campus.

A

Yes, there are a number of locations on campus, where we have the type of events where we might.

Z

Invite alumni to purchase alcohol, it's not all of campus, it's very specific locations where we might.

Z

Have a reception, for example, or a large reunion event for the class of 1970, or something like that.

Z

Dorms are athletic facilities, no residence halls at all, of course, with the athletic facilities. I.

Z

Believe there is one athletic facility, it is I'm sorry, sorry, my name is eric simon s-I-m-o-n.

AA

um 29 legacy drive owings mills maryland. There is one location that is located at the football.

AA

Stadium, it is the it is, the suite is the orbitrine um suite which is located on the above, the what.

AA

You would call, I guess, the seating seating, seating areas, the concourse area, it is a. It is a part of.

AA

The stadium, that is um where we can monitor and control access to and from the location.

A

How about is it gill gym? Is it? Is that the gym name? No, um we do. We also have another location.

AA

Which is the guild gym because, typically, some of our larger events, where we have.

AA

Parents and students come out. We we do tend to host those events um in that nf in that space.

AA

So there will be maybe once or twice a year where we may have a large event for parents.

AA

um That will be held in the gale gym, so just the two athletic separate facilities, correct.

H

Is there a drawing or map in your application that shows exactly.

H

Where you're intending to apply this license? Yes,.

L

It got removed because the locations got changed um and we never up. I never. We never got put back.

L

In to updated, but there I one time it was a bunch of different locations talking with them.

L

We decided to use the ones that they're actually going to sell the alcohol event.

L

At the events, which is only that made of five locations, the name of those buildings.

L

Is in that packet yeah, so I'm looking at a list uh entitled alcohol permit, on-campus sales locations.

H

um Albertain's suit alumni hall, coulee rice, lounge, guild center and ross center correct.

H

So there's the the five locations that you're asking for this license to cover correct.

H

um But we don't have a drawing our rules require drawing. So if you just supply that.

H

At your convenience, I guess so I'll give it to our joe vance and she'll put in the file.

H

I think our rules um also require a copy of the.

H

The bylaws and the charter that was added it isn't here. Okay, I see.

A

Well, he's looking through that.

A

Stadium's over here gil j gill gymnasium is over here on niall and so forth.

A

The other two I'm not familiar with the names, where are they located in regards baker, chapel and.

A

Gil jim, I know where they're at so sure the coley rice lounge is located just off the circle by.

Z

Little baker chapel sort of when you kind of come in it's a event space that we have there. I thought.

Z

That was one of them, but I didn't want to say for sure, and then the other one, oh raj is the um the.

Z

Sort of student union student center building- that's just off of red square, and that has a.

Z

Variety of locations I think prior was known as decker decker, okay, it's known as the decker center.

A

I'm an old guy so he's going to give me something that was over 20 years old and I know where it's.

A

At so there's a floor plan, um galore dining hall within angler hall and that's included for what.

H

Reason that is the location of where the alcohol will be stored. Okay and it's in a kitchen great.

H

In the past, you have, I think, applied for one day special licenses and I think your testimony is.

H

That you want this is a new way, a new approach for you for efficiency purposes, for you to make things.

H

Easier for the college, correct yeah, to give you an example for our alumni weekend, which we had this.

Z

Year in june, we had 14 one day special permits because of all the class reunions so 14 times, we.

Z

Did the paperwork and the notary and all of that, so this allows us to eliminate those processes.

H

Respecting, for me this, um this might be a new.

H

Type of request that I don't know if we've seen this request before.

H

In this fashion,.

H

So there is a in our rules, there's some language and actually the state law. Some.

H

Language about financial responsibility of the applicant, my understanding is that you.

H

Have someone who wishes to address that and tell us how to how to apply that law? Yeah.

AB

Hi, I'm stacy tracy, last name t-r-a-c-e-y. I work at the college. The address is 2 college hill, but.

AB

Do you need my personal address as well? um Okay, um I'm a cpa and I'm the assistant controller at.

AB

Mcdaniel college, I think one of your concerns was about um janelle she's listed as a key employee.

AB

On our tax return on part seven, um but we just wanted to clarify that mcdaniel is a non-profit.

AB

And there's no shareholders or owners, so she won't have any financial interest in the college.

AB

um And in that part it also discloses officers, directors and trustees.

AB

um And she's only listed as a key employee. um She doesn't own any stock or have any tradable shares.

AB

And non-profits don't have any owners she, so she doesn't have any financial interest in the college.

H

And that kind of gives the heart of my question.

H

State law- and he followed the state law- says that the applicant has a financial interest.

H

In the business to be conducted under license as a requirement for the application um and and we.

H

Follow that and we define financial interest and so forth. I am but I'm thinking that.

H

Our rules don't specifically address non-profits and so that that's why I.

H

Think this is some new territory, at least for me sitting up here. I think our rules are silent.

H

As to requirements of a non-profit, they talk about a corporation, they talk about llc, but.

H

They talk about stock interests percentages for by for the applicant. Clearly, that's that's not.

H

Directed to a non-profit because, as you said, it's a non-stock.

AB

Yeah, I agree. I think that should be something that should be included in your rules and especially.

AB

Since she's a key employee of the college, [music] you see where trustee would be even clearer.

H

When you would have a an event this for alumni, that's right, basically, alumni events, presidential.

Z

Receptions that may include donors things like that: okay yeah, um you would hire bartenders. I.

H

Guess what you do have an outside vendor come in and take care all that correct. um The college does.

AA

Not employ staff who will be actually serving and back all we have. We have a third party.

AA

Service, which is provided by avi food supplies, who would manage that that part of our process.

H

And clearly that third party has lots of experience doing.

H

This or you wouldn't, I don't know, correct, correct.

H

At these events, are there people who are typically underage under age of 18., not usually no.

B

So when you have these events, are they notoriously, like blocked off to the.

B

Student population per se is it correct private room area exactly yeah? Most of these events aren't.

Z

Open to students they're things that we're doing specifically for alumni for trustees for donors.

Z

um Occasionally, it might be parents of current students or prospective students.

Z

But generally we separate students from parents for these types of events.

H

And the owner of the property is who.

H

Isn't it western maryland college inc there's sdat pronounced in the file? I.

H

Know but that's that's! The owner of the properties.

H

I thought I saw that there's mcdonald college.

H

Then I saw somewhere that the actual legal owner of the property is called western maryland, which.

H

I might be mistaken about that, but then the four pronouns and it's been so long since.

D

I looked at them, I don't know what they say, but they are. They encompass all the property.

D

Of the college, what I'm saying is, I don't think the applicant is the owner of the property legally.

H

I think I think it's a separate company that owns the property, at least in tax brackets.

H

Like uh marriage used to be the name of mcdaniel college, I understand that.

H

Where I saw it because I was surprised that the name hadn't changed of the actual landowner, I said well, they changed the name of the college.

H

They didn't change the name of the land. I know the comment. Members who said western maryland college.

L

You typed up. It said I thought I said western man college.

H

That's not really. Oh that's significant. It's just that. I just want to try to clarify, for my own mind,.

H

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H

Mcdaniel college inc, this application, I miss.

H

Homo for the use of mcdaniel college inc, that's that's the uh the application.

H

Then the landlord, I don't think is- is legally mcdaniel college inc. I think it's another entity.

H

I'm not saying it's not I'm just saying that whatever those sda teams.

D

He pages state that is the legal owner of the property, so whatever they say.

L

If you look at department of taxation records, it says mcdaniel college incorporated, so it.

L

Was sold to by western maryland college western union college back in 2014 2014.

H

So there is no landlord here.

H

AA

Can I ask a question the the reference to a I think you said land owner or land or or landlord.

AA

Well, the land owner and owner the tax records, the.

H

I thought was different than mcdaniel college inc.

H

I saw that somewhere, but I'm not sure where I saw that.

H

I thought it was an interesting anomaly when I was looking at it.

F

H

Any suggestions how we get get around that rule about financial interests and stock ownership.

H

And percentage of business anything like that. uh This is a class h, you're asking for.

H

Does the campus have a hotel and they used to have a best western associated.

H

With the college they used to, but that had since been sold.

A

So that property, where the motel is in between there and 31, that property sold.

AA

No, it is not so it is still owned by um by our development corp um the wmc development.

AA

Corp, but it is it's, so it is owned by them. They own the best western. They.

AA

Don't own the best western they own the land at the best western, sits on.

H

Wmc development corp correct: that's like western maryland college development court.

H

Maybe that's what I saw.

A

If they own that, they probably end where the colleges well maybe yeah, maybe not.

AB

They don't own the college, but they own a lot of land around the college.

AB

And they're consolidated for financial statement purposes.

H

When you say they are consolidated, who are they bmc development and um mcdaniel college.

A

Well, he's looking through that, I'm just killing time for you all the houses and the properties on.

A

Pennsylvania avenue across from the golf course on that side of town, where boom pontiac used to.

A

Be, and so on so forth is, is that the development corporation or college that owns it? Do you know.

AA

You talk about the homes alone, um yes, those are owned by the college. There are some properties that are around.

AA

um 131 and um on uniontown that on the wmc does own how about.

A

On the other side of pennsylvania avenue, where boone pontiac used to be where it's a.

E

Two, I guess the maintenance shop or something oh, okay, okay,.

AA

Yes, the college does on those properties on the 192, where the pontiac place, that is the.

AA

Physical plant office and the property next to it, one other site is owned by the college.

A

So I would assume anything it was. If I remember right, 2002 is one.

A

Mcdaniel was chartered and so forth. Anything since then that basically.

H

So I'm looking at a, I don't know if it's really significant, but this is where I saw it.

H

I'm looking at some estat information some uh this is the tax records for.

H

They're in this file, it says the owner information. The owner is western, maryland college inc.

H

Mailing address college hill westminster maryland: these are the tax records. So that's that's why I.

H

Was wondering if, if this is a, if there's a separate owner of the property on campus.

AB

That's not my understanding. No, the college owns the property on the college. This is this is just a.

H

Real property search I'll have to take a look at that.

K

Any other questions this young lady, since he controls all the money, we better make sure.

K

She don't spend it.

A

Thank you bam. Okay, thank you.

K

Any other questions.

H

Any other testimony I'd like to for no other questions at this time of.

A

These the gentlemen that uh held his hand up about the catering business.

A

If he'll come forward, I got a couple questions for him.

A

Take your name and address uh kevin laster l-a-s-t-e-r to college hill.

A

And I'm to understand- and maybe I've misunderstood college per se will not be serving the alcohol.

X

uh Avi food systems would and your aid food system, avi avo.

AC

And we were all surf safe alcohol certified we're all certified correct.

A

So so you're well versed correct alcohol rules is regular license.

A

So on and so forth and correct, ids and correct all the other stuff.

A

Are you I'm assuming that these events basically are scheduled, but there could be some last minute.

A

Things and so on so forth, and but you would be your organization would be the ones that.

A

Actually make the drinks in certain correct, yep, and all of these events are booked well in advance.

A

Well, I bet if you've got some big investor that wants to come. We wouldn't.

Z

Be charging him forever. We require five-day notice, please I imagine if.

A

I won't mention his name because I know a couple of them, but they come in there and said: okay, we're.

A

Going to give you two more million dollars that you would say: hey, let's go, have a drink.

A

Which amazes me? Because when I grew up it was a methodist institution.

A

That's long goal you have more questions, um does avi food systems do other work on campus.

H

Say that answer avi food systems, correct your employer, yep, you do! Do you provide cafeteria.

H

We handle all of the dining services on campus, okay. That was my question.

A

Is there anybody here that remembered francis site.

A

She knows who I'm talking about: okay,.

A

If any of you remember, that's we're talking about food service now any other questions.

A

Any other comments you all would like to make or anybody that testify.

AA

We do recognize that we have a unique application. I have worked on well, several of us have worked on.

AA

Campuses before that did in fact have um a license. Avi is the only entity that would have access to.

AA

The alcohol you know and as I shared earlier, um the college has no plans to employ anyone.

AA

Who will actually be a part of that process? That's why we're purposely doing that. They're.

AA

Doing it this way, we've also um did a lot of work with our campus safety departments to understand.

AA

All the various rules that we would need to put in place to make sure that there was no issues.

AA

And so we feel really confident about what the plan we have in place for these special events.

H

Are these special events include some music festivals that sometimes occur on campus.

AA

Are you talking about common ground, common ground common ground? That's one. I mean they always get.

D

Their own license, but I'm asking if they would take this license and use it for a music festival.

AA

Common ground will still have to unsolicit their own excuse me. Yeah.

Z

They contract with the college for that event, so they would still have to get.

Z

Their own okay, so the college has never put on any type of festival of its own.

G

I can't I don't.

E

Know but they're in the 90s they used to there used to be concerts concerts in the gym.

AD

Foreign er I-m-mler to college hill, I'm the chief law enforcement officer for mcdano college.

AD

um As uh and as jim did mention, um we do not have concerts or anything.

AD

Of that nature, at the college a number of years ago, they did have some events like that. I believe the last one that I can recall was.

AD

Fall of 2001. and since then, we've not had anything of that nature other than.

AD

Like contracted events, that would be more of a conference services type of.

AD

Third-Party utilizing the campus, but not actually mcdaniel college itself.

H

So this this license wouldn't be used for anything other than alumni events. Presidential.

H

Events, some fundraising internal things like that. I was just going to say I mean I think.

Z

Things that happen very infrequently like we just had a presidential inauguration. I could.

Z

Imagine a situation like that, where there's a campus, you know large formal event of that type.

AD

And in all of those events, we have logistical planning that we go through every time. We've.

AD

Done this for countless years when we apply for these individuals would not change at all.

K

Any other questions comments.

A

Well, I guess evidence and testimony is closed.

A

Anybody really could make any closing remarks, we're glad to hear them either any one of you.

A

Inspectors any comments, no comments, I mean I, I have no idea. If it, I think it's gonna be a good.

L

Thing if it gets issue, but if you just testified, mr emler, that usually are well in advance, known.

AD

Correct yes, sir inspector and so forth, which eric and I have a very good relationship. Okay,.

A

With that being said, the money evidence in final closing has been made. We will now.

A

Discuss the merits as presented and according to law perhaps come to a.

A

Favorable conclusion, or otherwise, my comments would simply be this.

A

It sounds like to me that everything has been pretty well planned.

A

And, according to uh the best efforts of the of the organization of college, uh while there may be some.

A

Questions as to the legality in the broad sense.

A

My personal feeling is- and I would yield to our esteem attorney mr dixon, that.

A

One day license have been previously issued for these same or similar events that.

A

Based upon the testimony and so forth that as a layperson.

A

I can appreciate there are some differences, but.

A

Common sense to me is basically they're the same, except they don't have to get a one-day license.

H

Chairman my my thoughts- and I thought I thought about this- I think our rules are.

H

Silent on this type of application, normally we have requirements. We try to follow our rules.

H

But this is a situation of a non-profit and it doesn't fit squarely in this book.

H

And since our rules- and I'm just going to throw this out as my thought, since our rules were silent,.

H

On the application of a non-profit for a class h.

H

That that uh the discretion then endures to this board that we're not bound by a rule, that's not.

H

There that we have discretion to approve with any conditions that we would like to attach.

H

But there is no prescription in our red book. I read book, as I said, is silent on what you.

H

Want to do, I think I I might be wrong, but that's my thought. I think it's the board's discretion.

H

Can render a decision that we want to render that's not in violation of our rules.

H

And I think the county attorney also might have some thoughts on that and.

H

Preclude his comments, and also I don't want to preclude us going into a meeting for legal advice.

B

Agree with the meeting yes take a brief recess for legal advice,.

H

It's a motion: I move that we take a brief meeting.

A

Oh motion's been made a second that we take a brief recess for legal advice. All those in.

A

Favor sigma 5 is saying: aye aye opposed no, so ordered we're in the german for legal advice.

A

Okay, ladies and gentlemen, we're back in session as previously announced, we adjourn to receive.

A

Legal advice to ascertain some legal questions of the impending case. With that being said,.

H

Well, we've received the advice and I think one of us is prepared to make.

H

A motion I am prepared to make a motion uh before you do that.

A

You need to make a motion to go back into regular session. I think a motion to go back.

A

Into regular session, a second must have been made, the second that we go back into regular.

A

Session all those in favor signify by saying, I suppose, no so ordered now you were about to.

A

Make a motion, additionally, I'm about to make a motion case number 6463, an application for.

B

A new class h, beer, wine and liquor license to be issued to janelle homebo, the uc mcdaniel college.

B

Inc trading is mcdaniel college to college hill westminster maryland. I would like to.

B

Make a motion that we approve the license. I will second that motion and I will add, for the record.

H

That I support the motion for the reasons I stated earlier. I believe our rules are silent.

H

Regarding the requirements of your requests and therefore, since our rules are silent, that.

H

This board has a large amount of discretion and we're going to use that discretion in this case.

H

And we're going to approve the application and I'm going to second, the motion.

A

Notice has been properly made and seconded that we approve the application for a class.

A

H, beer, wine and liquor license to be issue to janelle home low for the use of nathaniel.

A

College inc trading as mcdaniel college to college hill westminster, maryland 21157.

A

All those in favor of the motion signify the saying aye aye oppose no so ordered. Congratulations. You now have a class eight you're, fine and.

A

Liquor license. Thank you. Thank you appreciate it. Unfortunately, there are some [laughter].

A

Right, quick, didn't we. Unfortunately, there were some things that uh we needed to uh have some.

A

Legal advice on and based upon the comments my colleague mr barnhart made that this board has.

A

The discrepancy to.

A

Have the latitude to make decisions, so congratulations again best wishes. Thank you.

S

Many many more, we hope, you're welcome here at any time, but don't come back in an official capacity.

A

B

B

Thank you it's so funny when you started talking about first, the.

H

Word unfortunately, kind of does have a little chilling effect on it. Thank you.

A

My watch it's uh 3, 15 and 15 seconds. Mr dixon, please call case 6464, please: okay, 6464 an.

C

Application for new class b beer wine and liquor license to be issued to matthew culotta for the.

C

Use of the stockyard llc trading as bullocks restaurant, 2020, sykesville road westminster.

C

Maryland 21157 an election district four and to file this matter. We have the following documents:.

C

huh Notice of public hearing july 28, 2023 notice of public hearing july 21st, 2023.

C

There is a response to joe vance's request to various state and local agency's response from.

C

Lisa staley health department, this establishment does not meet the requirements of this office.

C

See attached memorandum: the facility is a change of ownership, a maintenance.

C

Inspection and licensing must be completed prior to approval of the ownership chains.

C

There is a response to to joe vance's request from jay voigt zoning administration. The.

C

Above referenced, establishment does meet the requirements of this office.

C

There is a response to joe vance's request of air state and local agencies from.

C

Belinda casell collections office, the above reference.

C

Establishment does meet the requirements of this office.

C

Today is july 11 2023 letter from joe vance to miss india.

C

Phillips revenue, specialist comptroller of the treasury.

C

There is a july 11 2023 letter from joe vance to to matthew culotta.

C

Then there's the application: the application includes character, references.

C

Operating agreement, criminal background.

C

Information mba information, workman's, comp insurance ownership, information.

C

Sales agreement, menu, sdat information, plot plan, corporate information and.

C

Other license establishments. I would ask that the file be entered into evidence.

A

We'll accept that in evidence this time I would ask all those.

A

Who intend to testify in the case? Please stay and raise a right hand to be sworn in.

D

Do you swear or affirm, under the penalties of perjury, that the testimony you're about.

D

To give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing, but the truth.

A

Thank you, gentlemen. Before you testify the first time, please state your full.

A

Name and address, and spell your last name for the record. Please.

A

It's colada, you can proceed and tell us why and what you want. uh Yes, my name is matthew.

AE

Collado, that's c-u-l-o-t-t-a looking to get a license or liquor license at blue ox restaurant.

AE

That I purchased from doug clyde behind me a few months ago. um I know you had brought up.

AE

The health department which we have scheduled on monday at 9 30 for our health department.

AE

Inspection, so that's still pending, because that was the earliest. They could have a schedule at.

AE

um But we're looking to sell essentially beer and wine, we're not adding in a full bar or anything.

AE

Like that, we're not changing the hours we're not staying open late, we just want to supplement what.

AE

The current clientele that we have and offer you know cold beverage while they're there we're not.

AE

Looking to, like, I said, add any bar or anything like that, it's going to be served to the table.

AE

Bullocks has been there since the 80s, and I feel like this is a step that we need to add.

AE

So we can keep it going for the next 20 30 years. I grew up here. My parents took me there as a kid.

AE

My kids, you know, love coming up there and I want to make sure it succeeds and.

AE

You know we're around the next 20 30 years, so I think this is, I think, a lot of people. My.

AE

Generation want to go out on a friday saturday night and have a cold beer or a glass of wine.

AE

With dinner- and I feel that's one part that we're lacking at our establishment right now,.

A

Stay to your residence address for the record. Oh.

AE

My residence is 3626 pleasant, meadow court, eldersburg 21784.

AE

I took over in may how's it going so far so far, there's a lot of people that would like us to.

AE

Bring back the salad bar so um probably hear about multiple times a day, but other than that.

AE

It's going pretty well so far, are you putting the salad bar in we are going to bring it back. This.

AE

October, yes, so I think as many people that want it, that it will drive traffic to the uh business.

AE

You know, because I mean again, people have an emotional attachment to it. People remember.

AE

When their parents looked there as a kid- and you know they want to share that with their families,.

AE

Now so part of that is in october, we want to do a grand reopening with the chamber of commerce.

AE

And be able to offer that salad bar and offer a cold beverage while they're there to capitalize.

AE

Off the momentum, where will the cold beverage be dispensed? It will be stored in a cooler.

AE

Behind our counter, because if you're familiar with it, we don't really have it's not. You know.

AE

That is the biggest thing trying to figure out how it fit in our current scheme, so we will have.

AE

Someone over 21 that's going to be there all the time, that'll be in charge of delivering kind of.

AE

Like a server that will bring it to your table after you order it up at the cashier, so it'll.

AE

Be kept behind the counter in a separate cooler and then it'll only be delivered out as we sell.

AE

It so does a cashier have the responsibility of making sure that they're of age? Yes, so um I plan.

AE

On getting those people tam certified, even though you know whoever's going to be using it, they will.

AE

Definitely have training within the restaurant. I was a bartender for many years. I managed hard.

AE

Rock cafe, in dc, we went through so much liquor down there. You couldn't believe I've been tamp.

AE

Certified multiple times recently, I was bartending at liberatories in westminster for a few years.

AE

So I'm very familiar with alcohol awareness and training and plan on nav anyone. That's.

AE

Handling it even people that aren't handling it in the establishment, be aware of. What's going on so.

H

You're, a 50 owner, I am yes and he was the other owners or owner uh julian jasper. He's my business.

AE

Partner in another business as well, and what business is that? Oh, we have a landscape business.

AE

So lumen lawn and landscape, most of our business, is actually with contracts with the county carroll.

AE

County, so so, if there's a corporate decision to be made and your 50 50 owners, is it a corn.

H

Coin flip, or does somebody have preference, it's not I. I would make that decision. Yes,.

B

So you plan on keeping it the cafeteria touch style type. We do yes correct so say one person.

B

Comes up with their fan well with whoever and they order like four drinks, are they going to card.

B

Every single person in that party and when they come back up to the table after they want to say.

B

Up to the counter, when they want a second drink, are they gonna make sure that, yes, they will get.

AE

Someone else at the table correct, they will get carded each time and um I mean I plan on having.

AE

Whoever's ordering the drink or drinking the drink, it has to be there at the counter. So the one.

AE

Person can come up and order four drinks, you know. So if there's four people at the table that want.

AE

Four drinks they each are gonna have to come up in order, even if it's separate and show their id.

AE

So, what's your policy going to be on vertical iv ids, it's not accepted.

AE

I mean every establishment. I've pretty much worked in, did not take that as a valid id. So.

B

What is your recording policy going to be.

AE

um So, to be honest, I haven't, I don't have this written down yet, like I mean.

AE

This kind of happened faster than I originally thought it was going to be.

AE

um But it's going to be, I mean you're gonna have to look at the date. Look at the person.

AE

You know the id make sure they're over 21 valid state id. um You have like a cut off.

B

Point some people tell us if they're under 40, if they're under 30., it's going to be card, no matter.

AE

What especially in the beginning, because I'm hard everyone they're, called everyone, because I don't.

AE

Have a current policy in place that they've been using? I don't have people there that are used to.

AE

Doing this, so I either need to hire someone that has experience or train someone that doesn't have.

AE

Experience so it'll definitely be car to everyone, no matter what so make sure you're going to clock.

A

You're going to card glide in for sure I mean those two would be other reasons for do that.

AE

I got to make sure everything's locked up because of them. Where are you going to.

A

On the ordering side or on the carry outside it'll be on the ordering side ordering size. Yes, I will.

AE

Have a separate register also so for someone that wants to come up and order a second drink.

AE

There will be a second cash register. That's on one over 21 will man that will you can order a second.

AE

Drink without waiting in the main line as well, so that we can capitalize off of us. Because that's.

AE

The thing is nobody's going to wait in that long line for a second beer or second class of wine.

AE

So I want to have that ability to get them in a more timely fashion as well.

H

Do you have table service now? We do not have table service, so they would have to come to.

H

You anyone who wanted a a beer we are going to bring it to them so when they order a beer.

AE

At the cashier it'll print out a ticket at our let's say beverage station, which will be.

AE

Someone who's over 21 right that will then open or serve that beer and take it to the table for.

AE

Them so if the customers will not take the beer or wine to their table themselves, that is going.

AE

To be brought to them by an employee it'll be a designated server of alcohol. Correct, not a.

AE

Waitress essentially so someone over 21, because I mean I can't whoever's opening it and you.

AE

Know pouring it has got to be over 21, so they're gonna be the ones taking it to the table as well.

B

Back there to make drinks well we're not going to have mixed drinks per se, but we're going to offer.

AE

Just a few select cocktails that are going to be simple and easy um so like like a margarita or.

AE

Something like that, or even a sangria, which is considered a mixed drink, even though it's made.

AE

Mostly of wine, but I can have items like that that they can pour but, like I said, I consider a sangria.

AE

A mixed drink because you are adding alcohol to the wine, so it'll be simple, like that. It won't be.

AE

You know, there's not going to be a whole food bar anything like that. No.

AE

So exactly what that's going to look like for sure and what drinks we're going to offer we're.

AE

Working that out, but it'll be a small cocktail list. I mean we're talking like five or six of.

AE

Your more popular cocktails, some cocktails come pre-packaged, yes and there's that option too. So.

H

How are you thinking about? Maybe a mimosa brunch? We have been considering brunch and or breakfast.

AE

That's another thing that we were gonna work out. The first leg is getting through october.

AE

Having the grand reopening the salad bar, bringing hopefully offering beer and wine and we're going.

AE

To redo the deli area and then we're going to tackle the idea of breakfast or brunch.

AE

This is a deli area. We have a deli area that does a lot of to-go. I don't know.

AE

I still like the right where the raisin like the bread is and there's uh salads.

AE

And stuff, sorry: okay: we just call that the deli area- I don't know what everyone.

AE

Else calls it but in-house that's kind of what we call it. I get my fried chicken. Yes,.

B

So having been there and having cake and family members, there, often that are immobile.

B

We usually go up and place the order for them, yes and then take it to the table. But if that.

B

Person wanted a beer, they'll have to come up to the counter then, or my server cocktail server.

AE

Could certainly come to the table and cardiff you'll be able to make concessions correct because.

B

My first job was at bullocks when I was 12 years old, okay on the tables and decades ago. That was.

L

Decades ago they didn't have beer, then, but yeah. So I know that there's there's a crowd. A family.

B

Crowd, in fact, I, the carroll hospital group, meets of all the retirees meetings biannually. So I know.

B

That your clientele is of the aged version, so we also um when I took over in may, we implemented.

AE

Toast point of sale system- I don't know if you're familiar with that, but with that we have some.

AE

Handhelds that we can take to the table so like in a matter of there's like an atop that doesn't want.

AE

To come up there, our server can go to the table card put in the order right there bring it through.

AE

Right there and then go back and bring that back to the table as well. We have that ability so.

AE

Some of it will, probably you know, change a little bit as time goes on to best serve.

AE

You know the clientele there and the still fit our current scheme without being a full dining.

AE

You know I mean you often have groups there, that's sit in the restaurant part, yes, the table's, not in.

H

The booths, but in the at the tables, yes and you're, saying that you you would envision a.

H

Process where you could send somebody there and take the order and cardamom at that table.

AE

Correct we have that ability, so the toast provides us with other functions down the.

AE

Road, if we choose to do it, but they are pretty in front of technology.

AE

And they have a lot of options to you know, fit almost every style. So, okay.

A

Since you're applying for an alcohol license,.

A

You're well aware of the consequences of too much alcohol on us most. Certainly I'm yes, like I said I.

AE

Was a bartender for a lot of time? um More attended in 2005 are attending in 2005. I was not no.

A

You know what I'm talking about. I do know what you're talking about. Yes,.

A

And you say everybody will be tips or tam or alcohol certified. That will be.

A

Handling alcohol- that is correct, yes, and so will some of the managers that.

AE

Help out will be also. How much time do you intend to spend on the premises.

AE

Me personally, yes, I'd like to spend a little less, but no um I'm there most days. Almost you know.

AE

I mean between me and my business partner, one of us there are almost there every day.

AE

um But I mean during the day I mean 50 60 hours. Let's put it that way, so you won't be sneaking.

A

Off trimming, trees and snowing grass, I do not actually do the landscape myself. No, so.

AE

I was never a landscaper, um but so I don't actually do the work on that side. Now.

H

Do you have any legal connection to the butcher part of the I do not? That is a separate.

AE

um Business, they are actually my landlords also, so they own the property as well.

AE

um I got a feeling, they'll be a good customer.

AE

But no, I am not involved with them.

H

Will your partner participate in the management of the restaurant? Yes, he is there. He does participate.

AE

He did not work in the restaurant business before he was actually the landscaper. So that's what he's.

AE

Done for 20 some years, but he has since been there and enjoyed it and been picking it up.

AE

And I think he likes, I mean obviously it's a little bit nicer to be inside when it's.

AE

Hot and cold outside you know, but I plan on he planned on getting tam certified as well.

AE

um So that he's aware, why he's overseeing, what's going on, you know.

B

Your testimony, whoever works that section where they serve actually served the alcohol.

B

They will be tame served, they will be as well. Yes are you tam certified currently.

AE

No, I have been in the past, I haven't had a need for it because I haven't.

AE

I mean my last one expired, but when I worked at liberatories I was tam certified.

A

Who was that, when I worked there when I was damn certified when you worked at for pinot, uh it's.

AE

Probably been since I stopped helping- probably two years, because I worked there part-time on.

AE

And off since 2011., I'm sorry are you certified, then I was there at some point. Yes, I don't know.

AE

Exactly when, but he ended up having everyone there take the class at some point. We all did it.

K

Other questions.

A

You brought two guys along with you that they want to say anything good or bad, because they ain't.

A

Going to say nothing bad, I know if we were 20 years younger, we wouldn't have a shot at himself.

A

Well, what I can't understand when you just made that comment when you were 20 years younger.

AC

You should have did it back, then you you go out and you just put in 7.

A

000 more trees and replied probably did too and you trim them trees, but you won't.

A

Stand there and take money and pass out fried chicken that don't make sense bump their heads.

Y

I was going to make his clyde vote both of you dug you to just stand up and get state your name.

Y

Y

I'd hurt h-I-r-t 1400, tango wood drive westminster maryland, so the comment I was going to make was we.

Y

Took over 21 years ago and and bullocks as they took it over, it's kind of the way it still is.

Y

That we change a few things along the way and do some things yes and unfortunately covid. But.

Y

I watched a lot of my friends would come and and when I say they would come like a group of.

Y

30 of them, and they stopped coming because of craft theory. They now enjoy a beer with their.

Y

Dinner and they go elsewhere, so I I watch that you know: do they come once in a while? Do they.

Y

Get carry out a lot yes, but they don't come in the big group like they used to. They give it to.

Y

1623 or flood zone or somewhere to have a beer and and get dinner or you know some or others.

Y

Beer, they enjoy beer. Now so, and I know if there was a beer and alcohol there they would they.

Y

Would come back so that would we're going to ask you that one of these is going to ask you.

A

This question so I'll: do it, do you think, he's a fit and proper person a whole alcohol license.

A

Yes, yeah, that's very smart, I mean you've heard him heard him talk and he's worked in a lot of.

Y

Establishments uh that have been alcohol related, he he did mention it, but one of the managers there.

Y

Is very versed in alcohol that works there. So eric styles worked for uh parks, yeah, bob parks.

Y

So he knows all about having it locked up, yeah bill. So yes, he is capable and- and so is.

Y

Drawing a blank, your partner, isn't that weird julia! I'm sorry because he goes by.

Y

He's got a nicknament on. That's why my name, I didn't want to call him.

Y

Very smart and and uh we'll get along fine with it.

Y

Are you the former owner? I am I'm one of the former doug and I were 50 50 partners at biloxi. We.

Y

Sold the property in may and sold the restaurant sold the meat store to the current employees.

A

Mr zep, would you like to make any comments state your name and address for the record doug zep 2810.

AC

Old washington, road westminster maryland, that's spelled zepp. The only comment I can say is again.

AC

If we were 20 years younger, we would have did the exact same thing. I did have a lot of as.

AC

You said some of our clientele was of age, and I used to have people come up all the time and.

AC

Say: hey buddy, why don't you get a beer in here? I want a beer with my steak. You know I mean that's.

AC

An older gentleman saying that and multiple not just not just one but a lot of times. So as far as.

AC

Anyway, they're going to bring the salad bar back and he wants to have a grand opening get some beer.

AC

And wine, I think it's a great idea. It's, uh I guess, we're one of the dinosaurs and around westminster.

AC

Anyway, that doesn't offer a beer or wine there's a couple of us around still and as clyde sent.

AC

Some of my friends that my kids grew up with that their parents. I wouldn't see them, and I said why.

AC

Don't you guys come down and they said we want a beer with our meal. You know they get a green.

AC

Turtle or somewhere so anyway, I think it's, um I think it's a great addition, if, if it all works.

B

The salad bar is still going to be the covered wagon. It is yes and we have a lot of people. I.

AC

Wanted to get rid of the salad wagon and put a nice new nice new salad bar in. But there was.

AC

So much flack for from the community. They want that salad bar, which I explained I probably give.

AC

Matt too much unwanted uh guidance, but uh the guy that guided us gave us and still gives us guidance.

AC

Which is bob belong all right, I'm putting you two guys on the spot, not him.

A

A

Would you estimate from that salad bar that walked out the door a lot.

AC

A lot we've learned not to confront people in the very beginning.

AC

um We were way too passive. I guess, but as we got harder throughout the those years.

AC

um It was, it was a lot of misuse of this salad bar a lot so um anyway, when covet came obviously.

AC

That's what shut us down with the salad bar and we went a different direction by putting.

AC

The stuff behind the counter, so people couldn't touch it. You got, you know how it works, but we.

AC

Felt with the waste and the I'm gonna just say be nice to say the waste on the customer side.

AC

And the waist on our side at the end of the night, it almost was, um I don't know, do you.

AC

Think we saved right off the bat. Maybe yes, you know what I mean it was it wasn't? It wasn't a.

AC

Good, it was an eye-opener, it was an eye-opener to us. However, it is it's also a huge huge drawing my.

AC

Lord, that's that's uh I mean I was just curious because you know you know. I've talked about that.

Y

The way we ran it, it took six more employees, you know, and employees are hard to come by right now.

Y

Meaning over the whole weekend still had to hire six more people to run it.

H

I remember the covered wagon, but I got to tell you I'm a little partial to a plexiglas.

H

Hovering over top of the food I'm about to get. I like the big block of cheese.

A

Well, they're, towards the end, you had that plastic. We had to have the sneeze gorge on there and all.

AC

That we had to that was health department regulations that perfected those you know.

A

It's a little, I'm gonna make one comment to you. You take it for what it's worth.

A

When you have that grand opening, if you get bobby bullock, stand at the door.

A

Telling okay, he likes to talk.

A

Don't hold them people up too long, but I guarantee you he'll draw you people in there.

A

They know what I'm talking about so actually one of the conditions when we bought the places we.

AE

Added alcohol: we had to change the name, and that was not something I was really looking forward to.

AE

But since the three months that I've had it and known robert, he is now okay with us keeping at.

AE

The bullock's name, and so we're able to do that and keep it. You know I think the community likes.

AE

Having the bulldogs around and if we change the name, it would take a little bit away from it. So.

H

The name has a lot of good will? Yes, okay, any other questions of the applicant or former owners.

A

Hearing none, if you have anything to say finally [music] do not know vector. um I.

L

Just met matt back in may and talking to him about this whole event. I think he'd be a good.

L

Person fit and property holy look license. I think bullocks would do well with the liquor license.

A

With that testimony evidence is closed. We will now discuss the validity of the case.

A

And come to a decision, lady and gentlemen, we've heard all the evidence and testimony.

A

Comments closing comments, motions questions now forever hold your peace.

B

I think mr culotta has done his research. He has his experience in the alcohol industry.

B

um I agree with him wholeheartedly that the way to go forward is to add to the restaurant things.

B

That they can get other places and that's why they don't come to you. I absolutely agree with.

B

That I don't think it would be a hindrance to the community to the location or anything and.

B

I agree with the uh fear, he's a fit and proper person to hold a quick relations.

H

And I will join you in those comments you clearly fit and proper actually clearly experience.

H

And well qualified, and uh I think you will have the support uh group around you of people who.

H

Really know what they're doing, if you have any questions, I think you know what you're doing.

H

But you also have the gentleman next to you. We also can and I'm sure they'll be glad to help.

H

So uh with that said, uh mr chairman would offer a motion.

A

Will that be say yes and that being oh, the motion being in case 6464, the application.

H

Of a new class b, beer and wine liquor license to be issued to matthew colada.

H

I move that the application be granted.

A

Is there a second to the motion, a second that motion wasn't been properly made and seconded.

A

Under case 6464, an application for a new class b beer wine and liquor license to be issued to.

A

Matthew colada for the use of the stockyard llc trading as bullocks restaurant, 2020, sykesville.

A

Road westminster maryland be approved any further discussion on the motion. No all.

A

Those in favor signify the saying aye aye opposed no so order. Congratulations. Gentlemen. Thank you.

A

Just one comment: this approval is pending upon all county agency approvals and it cannot be.

A

Actually approved and issued until they are received. Yes,.

A

If you have any questions anytime feel free to contact our officer, our inspectors, they're.

A

Here to serve you and and help, you appreciate that. Thank you wish you the best and good luck.

A

Just don't get into christmas tree business.

AC

It's a flooded market, hey, gentlemen. Thank you good.

A

Luck in your future endeavors and thank you, wish you the best.

A

Okay back to the business session, there's two items uh I think we've checked everything have.

A

We not missed joe that's listed here, but there are yes, two things that I'd like to bring up.

A

uh Number one we don't have to vote on the bylaws. We already did that right. What we did was change.

R

The date yes, okay, the second thing is the proposed legislation that we're proposing.

A

Of which uh mr dixon uh issued, which is fine.

A

My question to this group is: I would like to see that not only a person who is certified beyond.

A

Duty as we've already discussed and approved, but the license e one of the licensees be certified.

A

What do you all think.

H

I haven't looked at other jurisdictions to see if any have taken that route.

H

That doesn't mean we shouldn't.

H

I think it would be helpful. Often we have licenses a name only. At least it seems that.

H

Way that they're required to get certification for alcohol management, training of some sort.

H

I think that gives us a little bit higher level of comfort that.

H

They're at least aware of the business that they're in the license. That's uh that name is in.

H

Sometimes I last several years, I've wondered if the licensee actually.

H

Is involved, I think uh the chairman's suggestion uh pushes them a little toward that involvement.

H

um I would like to go back and review if anybody else has done it just to see.

H

What they said- but I am at this point in support of that as long.

H

As as our attorney doesn't see, any legal problems with the requirement.

C

Can't think of any old fan, my reason being now.

A

That you know the carroll county president's been eliminated. That.

A

Somebody from maryland has to be on there and and they can be certified in wicomico county if.

A

They're on a license up here, but they should be certified to a alcohol clearance, training.

K

So it seems like that's a reasonable basis. I don't see where that creates a problem for.

A

Somebody well, we can't come from salisbury to westminster, get certified hell, they got.

A

Whatever county salisbury is in right down, there get certified there, you don't have to.

A

Come up here, I think you have a reasonable basis to do it. What do you think I agree? Can you.

A

Men, the legislation that somehow are not amended but redraw, okay I'll, do that now do we.

A

We need to have a public hearing, or we need to put this on the agenda for next month.

D

And I have to advertise so you you can advertise, but then, after that, we'll have to have you.

A

Public hearing now yeah I would I would advertise that next meeting.

A

We're going to discuss it in the public is welcome to come in. After that, then we can.

A

The next time you advertise we're going to vote yeah, yeah. Okay. Does that agree with you? Yes,.

A

Yes, any comment from the peanut gallery: we also need to change. If we change, we need to change.

L

The rule book also well, that's that's part. That means we go into public hearing also well, I can go.

A

Why can't they go the same time? Yeah you can I'm just saying, but we have to make sure we have both.

A

Okay last thing I have, as of today.

A

I think one day license the first time.

A

They are presented to us by an establishment. They ought to be here in person.

A

It takes my job easier, it obviously it's ready to say it takes a responsibility off.

A

Of the inspectors puts it here, we're the ones that okay, the license, and he has to.

A

Do all the legwork and so on and so forth and plus he's answering questions from us.

H

That he can't answer because he's right, it's it's a bad position, so I agree with that. Do we need to.

A

Advertise anything like that, or can we just say okay, this is our policy from now on, for a one day,.

A

License living on the application instructions- yeah, I think you can just just put it on the.

C

Application, that's good enough excellent yeah, you're talking about outdoor events or indoors now.

A

For one day license for the first time applicant for a first time, africa.

A

And a one-day license, they don't have to give us all the information like a.

A

Like a applicant does for a class a b or something like that include zoning and.

A

Health departments and all that kind of stuff- they don't have to do that unless we askful.

A

This this case the day it's his own agriculture, but.

L

Well, it's the same thing last month believe his own agriculture, probably.

L

That farm they're hanging out that farm, we named nothing that came up that discussion.

L

um And then the other one's down, sykesville fire department they're both wonder both.

L

Brand new events, the zoning would only be interested if they were going to carry on.

D

Well, I'm getting about this appears to this. If I understood you right, like a.

A

Music festival that we're talking about with bond is that right. Pretty much is yes,.

A

We don't know anything about the.

A

Organization other, what is on the application and what you all looked.

A

Up on right, I mean I didn't really see their charitable purpose. I might have.

H

Missed it in the application, did you see a chair? What the money goes for.

A

Tim, this might be out in left field, but.

A

You know when we issue this license a day: he's got a report sales and so on so forth. Okay, it's a.

A

It's a private entity for profit, but is there some way we can say? Okay, you need to report.

A

The gross income and what was garnered by the charity.

C

We're talking about the thing it would buy. Yeah those similar things- that's virginia.

C

Yeah we can ask for it. That's what it is. They have to report it on their 990 anyhow yeah. So.

H

Which is one of the concerns I have is because looking at the database, I found they've done. They.

H

Haven't reported no reports of any income in four years, what'd you ask for it. That's not a problem.

H

Maybe next time around, if you have any questions, we don't.

A

H

I had one thing I want to do talk about just real, quick, okay, but we're square you're gonna.

A

Put that on the application first time, first time applicants has to appear on parentheses.

D

Organizations apply, they have to appear for the before the board to make sure they got to have.

A

It to you in time, okay, I don't have anything else- is that for both indoor and outdoor? Yes,.

B

Noticed on the applications we had today, it still asks so you're, a carroll county resident.

B

In one of those things on one of those pages says: oh you're, a carroll county resident.

B

And they answered yeah, that's that's on the regular applications for a license like the.

B

Oh, the regular application, yeah yeah. I need to change it.

H

On the um legislative concepts draft that tim sent out.

H

um Under justification for a proposal, I like to give him a little more info.

H

Something along the lines of why we want it. I think we want it and I wrote down some draft.

H

Language, because having personnel on premises trained in alcohol management techniques would.

H

Enhance the licensees ability to detect or prevent underage sales and uh over service and because.

H

It's a to me: it's a public safety issue. Can you email that to both tim, oh yeah, yeah, and also like.

H

To add that- and I think this is important for the commissioners- is that over no not over at 10 other.

H

Maryland jurisdictions, 10 of the maryland counties, have the same uh requirement and same concerns and.

H

We're addressing the same thing that they are yeah, something along those lines. I I.

H

I'll just email, you something and then you can massage it, how you like, but I just I just want.

H

To give the commissioners a little bit more information, why we want to do it this way.

H

And I think public safety and is is the big is the real reason.

K

You know you have anything.

A

Back or pull anything.

A

K

Mr dixon, no sir, mr joe hearing, no other comments, questions, adjectives, verbs or.

A

Anything this meeting stands adjourned until our next meeting of september, the 13th 2023 at 10 a.m.