Carroll County, MD Board of License Commissioners, 18 Jan 2023

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Call this meeting of the board of license. Commissioners order has been traditional.

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That we begin our meetings with pledge to the flag, followed by a moment of silence.

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Memory of all those who have gone before us.

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And made our country a great country as it is, it is strictly voluntarily.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to.

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The republic for which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Thank you very much.

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This time I would ask our attorney mr dixon, if he will call our first case 6429, please.

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All right, k-6429, an application for the transfer of a class b beer wine and liquor license to be.

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Issued to troy, alban and christine albin for the use of two old fools, llc trading as the nest at.

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84 east 84 east main street westminster maryland 21157 in election district 7.

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And if all this matter, we have the following documents: a december 14.

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2022 letter from w bradley balhoff esquire to joe vance.

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A december 30th, 2022 notice of public hearing for this case.

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A december 23rd 2022 notice, the public hearing for this case.

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There's something in the file from tom harris permits and inspection that states that the.

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Above referenced, establishment does not meet the requirements of this office at this time,.

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As I uh stat work order was posted for this.

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Building electric and plumbing work without permits.

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There's a december 12 2022 letter from mark a depo director planning.

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And community development for the city of westminster.

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There is a response to joe vance's request of air.

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State and local agencies from lisa staley health department. This establishment does.

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Not meet the requirements of this office, see the attached memorandum.

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Approval for operation is pending plan review final inspection and licensing. There is a.

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Response to joe vance's request of air state and local agencies from belinda gazelle collections.

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Office, the above referenced establishment does meet the requirements of this office, foreign.

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And then there is an application.

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And there's a december 2nd 2022 letter from w bradley balhoff esquired joe vance.

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And then there's an application and the application includes character. References.

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Sports complex criminal background information, no problems.

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Purchase agreement, mva records workers, comp insurance, a menu, a floor plan, a lease.

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Articles of incorporation, sdat information, plat plan and other licensed establishments.

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Operating agreement, financial information and management agreement, I would ask that the file.

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Be entered into evidence they'll accept that in the evidence, it's time I would ask all those who.

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Would tend to testify in this case, please stand raise your right hand and be sworn in by ms vance.

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Do you swear or affirm, under the penalties of perjury, that the testimony you're about to give.

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Is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I do you all may be seated.

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As we begin this case,.

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The current owner do you intend to sell this property to this applicant? Not at this time.

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Not at this time, yes, sir.

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He should get him to state his name and address for the record. I'm sorry, I would.

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Ask that he'd be put under oath before the war takes any testimony from the show he called.

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And he was sworn in, please state your name and address, and your relationship with the.

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Establishment uh pietro priola and I live in 402 baldwin drive apartment uh four four, two.

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And it's your testimony that you do not intend to make this sale. Is that correct? Yes, it's correct.

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With that being said, uh I see no reason why we should continue this case at this time.

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um First for the record, brad balhoff on behalf of the albans um spell b-a-u-h-o-f I'd like.

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To inquire, I know it's a preliminary issue, but I'd like to inquire mr priola.

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You're not asking me any questions the board kind, but I'm not answering any of your questions.

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uh Well, we're here for hearing uh sir, so he's a party he's a counselor for a party in the case.

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And uh I think it would be appropriate. Okay, I I certainly agree, mr bob, all right, mr piola, you you.

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Signed a contract with my clients to to sell this business. Is that correct? That's correct.

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uh You received a ten thousand dollar deposit towards that purchase. Isn't that correct, correct.

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You now have come today saying that you are not going to sell the business to my clients. Is that.

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Correct at this time, no, that's correct! um Why not well there's several matters a couple of.

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Them is done by the board that there's a stop work order on the uh on the property actually.

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On the deck itself, and then also uh due to the fact that I've suffered some financial stress.

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When miss baines pulled the license and then also not entering into a management agreement,.

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Which is part of the contract? uh Basically, and the landlord is not entering into at least there.

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Is no lease you said something that there's a lease signed by someone. You put that on record.

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There is no lease signed by the landlord itself. I met with the landlord yesterday and he has not.

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Honored the lease that uh they basically talked about it there's no assignment of the lease.

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Did you uh in your meeting with the landlord? Did you tell him that you were refusing to sell it to.

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My clients, no did you tell them uh basically, due to the fact that I can't pay him the money that I.

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Owe him we cannot get get out of the lease, so I'm financially liable to the lease until such time.

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That I could do so, but then there's also some other matters that I'm not able to discuss here.

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Have you negotiated with anyone else to purchase this business.

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Since my clients, contract with you, was signed not at all you're on the road, sir, not at all.

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And uh you are.

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You have this license because your qualifying resident is teresa barnes. Is that correct.

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That's correct, I do not you just don't live in carroll county. Yes, I do. I lived. I lived in the.

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County about nine months out of the year and I've resided in carroll county for the last three years.

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So so, as miss barnes withdraws her consent for her the attendance to operate uh well, uh miss.

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Bain supposed to have uh put a wrote, a letter to the board uh once the incident happened, that she.

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Pulled my license at five o'clock with uh you know the inspector and also a sheriff's office.

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Which was not allowed to do so, and then the board actually gave ms baines a letter uh on.

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Regarding to that, she has to put it in writing 30 days prior for her to get off the license.

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Which is part of the rules or regulations of the liquor board so, and are you aware that she.

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No longer desires to be on the liquor license. Oh yes, I'm very aware of when she pulled the license.

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There further questions.

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There is a copy of a lease within the application, but there is no signatures on the leases.

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There is a form that the landlord fills out as part and parcel of the application. What the.

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Landlord gives his consent. The landlord's done that apparently, from the time that we submitted.

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The application until today, there's been some sort of I'll say sabotage, I'm sorry and we'll and we'll.

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Certainly get to the bottom of that I've had my own separate conversations with the landlord.

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Regardless, we stand in a position here today where, if, if a license can't be issued in such a state,.

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Of flux, I understand that puts the board in a in a bad spot. Mr priola will have to answer for his.

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Breach in a different form, but as far as today goes, I agree with the board's conclusion that.

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We cannot have a license hearing when there's not going to be a sale, at least at this time.

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um I would I would like to put one more bit of testimony on the record if I could.

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You may all right uh columbus barnes to the sand. I'm gonna stand down. Mr bureau.

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Just barnes come to that microphone. There state your full name and address for the record. Please.

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The barnes 2228 cape horn, road hampstead, maryland 21074 all right and you are the.

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License holder for this establishment is that correct? That is correct um and you've made it.

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Clear, prior to the day that you no longer wish to be on the license, is that correct? That is correct.

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Compared any sort of writing that I can make part of this file that verifies your intention.

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To be withdrawn from the license, yes, I do and do you have it with you now? Yes, I have it foreign.

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We're having questions.

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You have presented this letter as evidence that you wish to have.

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Your name withdrawn as the licensee that is correct. That's correct! Yes,.

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Yes and I'm just looking at the application and counselor, you said that the landlord.

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S, I'm sorry not for miss barnes. I'm sorry! Thank you, mr barnes. That's okay. Can I and.

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um I'd just like to um say that on november 4th, when I did go and take the license, which.

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Was advised by my lawyer and with the um exception with the liquor board, that is what the intent was.

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To do and to um ask to get my name pulled off of the license, and my lawyer has been in contact to.

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Make sure that it was done, and I did not do that in any intention to hurt the business whatsoever.

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It was to actually get my name off of the license and to get the money that was owed to me from pete.

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For the wages that he started to withheld starting in july for credit card tips through when I worked.

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The last day in october, as well as the other employees that also worked at the establishment.

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That didn't get paid their wages, which is also the intent of why I stepped in, to make a stand.

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For not only myself but everyone else that worked in the establishment and to protect the community.

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Because it's not a good name in the business and and on the streets. So I I did that to stand up for.

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Myself and for everyone else and the business and the community that I support. So you know in his.

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Defense that it is um put him in a financial struggle to allow them to have the business. I feel.

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Is really um was not intended by myself and it's actually what he did to us as employees and the.

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Community, so I really wish that you would consider the facts of what really happened and take that my.

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Name off the license, because I do not wish to be a part of what how the business that he is holding.

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Ms barnes, thank you for your testimony. As you have presented that letter officially, that's.

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Official notice that you wish to have your name taken off correct. According to the rules.

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A written request must be paid in order to have a licensee removed, and you have.

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Done that today, so with that, unless there's any other questions and so on and so forth,.

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I don't think we can do anything else with this particular hearing today, the owner has expressed.

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His desire not to sell to the client at this time. Therefore, unless we have some objections, this.

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Earring, for this particular case, six, four two nine is adjourned. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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um Joe would be available this afternoon. May I ask her eight: do you understand that that license is.

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Invalid within 30 in 38 days- yes, I do understand, and yet you will have to have another application.

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Any changes, yes, yes, I do understand that and, as a matter of fact, I called joe on friday asking.

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What the process itself and I'm planning on putting application in to be on the license.

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I know there's a deadline issue for the february here. Right, so march will be the earliest that you.

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Could get well, I will be, uh of course you know, brooks, is going to be handling this from this.

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Moment on and he has been trying to handle all this and he's failed. You know to try to get this.

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Thing solved and, of course, now we finally got the letter which we you know, we've been waiting for.

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So I do understand the obligation that we have and then we go from there. Basically, that's all.

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I could you know, that's how to say. Well, I, like to add also is: is that the one of the biggest reasons.

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Why I was selling, I was in stage four cancer and my doctor had given me just a little bit of time.

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A couple of years and as you guys know the as the board knows you know I bought this place.

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For my daughter- and I built it for my daughter and then you know I I basically uh was under a.

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Lot of financial stress on regarding because I was an absentee owner, so I regarding the miss.

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Baines and a couple of employees that that we owe money to uh I, I do sympathize with that, but also.

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Ms baines, as other factors, why miss baines no longer was working for us, because mrs banks got.

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Fired from the from the place she just didn't stop coming in but anyway, but I do understand about the.

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Obligations that I have that, also that you know that ms baines is going to be. You know off of it.

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In 30 days, but uh brooks will be handling it. The application and everything else that comes forward.

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Yes, yes, sir okay, so you understand this procedure. Yes, sir.

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We've got uh some time here before our next case is scheduled at 10.

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45, so we have some routine business to uh discuss. Thank you to the board.

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You have received a copy of the minutes. Correct, I have yes. Are there any additions or corrections to.

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The minutes for the december 14th meeting of the board hearing none, they shall stand approved as.

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Presented under new business, we have a request for a one-day liquor license application for outdoor.

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Events by the city of westminster for their celtic canter and irish festival on march 11, 2023.

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The wine stroll on april 22nd, 2023, beer and barbecue stroll on june, the 17th 2023.

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And their oyster stroll on october 14 2023., apparently there's going to be a lot of strolling.

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On main street in downtown westminster and a lot of eating yes, this is, um and of all the things.

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That are presented to us for situations like this, our chief inspector, always volunteers, to.

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Go to them because it's food and drink you're correct. Are there any objections chairman you.

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Are correct, okay, they'll stand approved even has preferred seating. I might add.

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I'm gonna skip the next request for the time being, a one-day liquor license. Applications for outdoor.

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Event by the county department of recreation and parks for a summer bash at freedom park on 623-23.

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Is that gonna be? This is actually the second year they've had it they had.

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Last year inspector poland went to it last year. There was no problems, they're.

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Actually, moving the location to freedom park, it was at the sports complex on 97. last year,.

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As the comment I just made.

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It's a different type of arrangement and thus far ther jim has to go to that. So.

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But they have food there, also and music. Any objections, no objections, okie doke.

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The next item is a discussion of dui reports, which specter benfer has passed out.

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As you can see, 2022 dui reports, um they're labeled by most of most per establishment.

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Johansson's had 11. um the new thing I added this year was the average dui was 0.15.

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Of all those duis, so the average drunk coming out there was twice the legal limit.

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Was second with five violations again, their average dui was 0.15.

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. we had total of 39 duis in 2022, and the average dui was 0.14.

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I make a recommendation that we have johansson's and merrill mount come in on the board. Explain.

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What what was the average for 22 point? What 0.014.

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It's on the last page: it's on the second page, oh okay,.

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And 39 total duis, which is a little bit higher than previous years, and then this.

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The third page and fourth page or previous year, duis.

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Well, it's been.

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It's been less than a year that, since we have discussed this with licensees right, correct.

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However, we now have the 22 figures.

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These dui reports include city and state police records, westminster carroll, county.

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Sheriff department and mount airy and maryland state police the far column, the w's westminster.

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Then seized for carroll, county sheriff's department right and miss from msp mt is.

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From mount airy, but what I'm getting at is you've answered that this includes all.

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The records that you have been made available of correct yes,.

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We certainly need joe hansen's in here, and somebody from maryland, mallet.

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uh And I would request that when their appearance is made, that they not be made the same day.

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Not the same day or at the same time, not the same, not the same month and day. Okay, they be separate.

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Maybe we need to discuss this just a little bit more then what we normally do.

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Mr dixon, is there any type of.

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Education other than what we.

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Provide in some manner this is a an ongoing problem and it seems to center around.

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Eight or ten establishments of the hundred and what 68 licensees that we have.

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In the county that.

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0.0.15 is almost double.

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And I don't, as I look at the times on here,.

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They're very late at night or early in the morning, whichever you want to call it.

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Which is consistent with.

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Hansons and maryland mallet.

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So perhaps we can have a discussion along with a full commission.

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The board as to how we're going to proceed.

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Well, one thing: we now we can offer that we couldn't offer before and now.

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We both jim and I are alcohol management trained and you can make the suggestion.

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That johansson's emerald mountain have all their staff.

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Become alcohol management trained.

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It's a thought I mean, I know you can't make make it mandatory, but.

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I don't believe you can, I mean I'm, I think, tim's agreeing with me right. I agree.

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We can't make them the rules say you only need one pretty establishment and that person doesn't.

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Even have to be on duty, so we can't make them. Do it no under understand that, uh and it has been.

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Suggested and I'm totally in favor for it that perhaps legislation be requested next year for.

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That change, but that's in the future. So uh unless my colleague here has any objections.

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I think we need first, three, okay, the reason I say the first three uh they're kind of recognized as.

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Been invited in past years rather regularly, I have no objections.

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Advance, if you will work that into the schedule, sure.

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Billion sun on february and maryland mallet on march and sarah brothers april, okay, well.

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That would be good, that's the earliest. We can do it anyway and yeah. That would be fine.

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Do either of you inspectors have any reports you'd like to make at this time? I understand that you.

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Completed your first session with certifications for tips, tams, similar and so forth, how'd it go.

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We both came to the conclusion. It went very well, there's no, no problems encountered both mr dix.

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And miss vance both attended as uh as guests, and I think they enjoyed it. It went smooth they now.

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Know what a fake driver's license looks like. uh We talked a lot about a lot of things. There's a.

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Lot of interaction between businesses, so I think it was went very well. Keith yeah, no major hiccups.

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um We did have some suggestions things we want to add to the powerpoint certain things we're going.

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To take out and move some slides around to make it flow a little bit easier, but on the whole I I was.

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Very very pleased with it and how many? How many did you have? We had nine paid and two freebies.

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uh Well, it had 11 times I could figure out who the two freebies were. But anyway uh do you have a.

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One scheduled in the future, we are working on location and it would probably be a monday night.

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um That lawrence wants a host would probably be held at johansen's. But yes, we're working on a.

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Monday night, in february, along with the class three hours, it was scheduled for three hours.

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And it lasted exactly three hours so [music] now, when you say three hours, we got time to.

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Kill her, I wouldn't say what I'm going to say: no, it was solid. Three hours. Are you talking about.

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60 minute hours or like 50 million hours like 50 minutes three 50 minutes, it was.

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Two 10-minute breaks within that three-hour period: oh okay, it was a solid three hours.

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um How about the participants did you? Did you find it fruitful.

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I did it was both informational and entertaining and as independent observers, observers.

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Do you feel that it was.

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Educational and presented to the applicants what they needed to.

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To learn or be aware of from your perspectives, I think so now I'm going to ask those guys.

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Just what I asked other instructors when they come when people come before this commission.

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When I ask if they touched on when they got tam or tips about vertical license and sales to minors,.

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Was that thoroughly covered in your earl's presentation? Now? Yes, it was, and as also we, we.

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Definitely emphasized that is against the criminal violation to serve a minor. It's only 21. good.

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Commissioner, do you have any questions? I do not hearing none we're going to take a 10-minute break.

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Partiality with this case, we are back in order.

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Ladies and gentlemen, if you all will be seated, we will proceed with case 6430, please, mr dixon.

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Okay, 6430 an application for the transfer of a license to a new corporate entity and a change.

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Of licensing licensee b for a class b or beer wine and liquor license open for one meal only.

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To be issued to stephen a eckerd and thomas m burkhart for the use of texas roadhouse of.

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Carroll county md, llc trading as texas, roadhouse 21, south cranberry road westminster, maryland 21157.

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In election district 7. and follow this matter, we have the following documents:.

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A december 30th 2022 notice, the public hearing for.

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This case, a december 23, 2022 notice, the public hearing for this case.

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A december 19 2022 letter from india, phillips revenue.

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Examiner 3 to the board of licensed commissioners.

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Matter has been brought to a satisfactory conclusion, therefore, the comptroller of.

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Maryland compliance division withdraws its request to hold this transfer.

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There is a response to joe vance's request to various.

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State and local agencies from lisa staley health department.

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The above referenced establishment does meet the requirements of this office.

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There is a response to joe vance's request of aries state and local agencies from belinda gazelle collections office. The.

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Above referenced, establishment does meet the requirements of this office.

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Joe van sent a december 7th 2022 letter to miss india, phillips revenue, specialist.

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There is a december 7th 2022 letter from joe vance to mr stephen eckert,.

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There's a december 2nd 2022 letter from leanne shrekengas to joe vance.

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And the letter includes an application character, references a menu, see just information, a driving.

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Record workers, comp insurance, a deed corporate information asset purchase.

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Manager resolution, financial information and sdat information, a deed.

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Asset purchase agreement, I would ask that the file be entered into evidence.

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We will accept that into evidence this time. I would ask all those who intend.

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To testify, in the case, please stand raise your right hand and be sworn in by ms vance.

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Do you swear or affirm, under the penalties of perjury, that the testimony you're about to give.

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Is the truth, the whole truth and nothing, but the truth I knew thank you all- may be seated.

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If I could, mr chairman, prior to the start of this case, I would like to disclose that I am.

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Familiar with mr eckerd, we did work at the same entity for a number of years. He no longer works.

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At that entity um we didn't work even in the same town same building, um and I would like to.

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Just assure everybody that will not interfere with my impartiality on the decision-making.

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And I can make a an informed decision on this case. Thank you with that said, you may proceed.

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Thank you very much, mr chair, madam commissioner, thank you very much for your disclosure, tony and.

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I already had that discussion right before the hearing, so we were well aware of it.

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um We're here for a transfer of the texas roadhouse liquor license. This is a franchise.

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Roll-Up, so you will not see any change in the day-to-day operation of the business. The employees.

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Are remaining the same, in fact, mr eckert has been on this license since this place opened.

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And has been a long-standing, obviously I'm sure both of you know him well uh upstanding citizen.

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Here in carroll county but as I indicate it's a franchise roll-up, so it's being bought, purchased.

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By the publicly traded company and there's 10 10 texas, roadhouses involved six here in the.

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State of maryland, four in delaware are being rolled up, so it's just a formality. Change. It's.

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Basically, a name change on paper. The legal entity is changing to texas roadhouse of carroll county.

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Md llc, I can proffer for the board that both the applicants have a 10 ownership interest.

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In that licensed entity and both are authorized persons of that license entity and, as I indicated.

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There will be no change in the day-to-day operation. I do have a copy for the board.

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I'm sure they've probably had it in past files, but a copy of their internal alcohol awareness.

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Training program that I would like to admit, as an exhibit, they have a every person who.

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Gets hired goes through this intense responsible alcohol service training program upon hiring and.

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Then any and all servers or managers who are involved in the sailor service of alcohol go.

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Through the tips state certified training program, so if I may admit this as an exhibit, please do.

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This time I have nothing further for the board. I.

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Didn't know if you wanted to go ahead and hear from the character witnesses.

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Please, if you would introduce yourself.

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um Peace, be sir okay and give your address uh uh it's thomas.

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Burkhart uh my address is 111 point road, stevensville, maryland 21666.

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Mr burke, could you please tell the board what your role and responsibilities are with this location.

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um I'm actually a market partner with texas roadhouse. I have 11 locations that I'm a.

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I helped oversee it and run those doors.

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Reducing your character witnesses, that's okay! You can come just! Oh there's no chair. There.

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Well, mike allender, who you folks know he's actually here he's the.

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Local managing partner for the store here in westminster and crystal shank.

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It's fine I got married. I called her the wrong last name. Sorry,.

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But she is a service coach and she is in charge of all the front of the houses for all 11 stores.

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Crystal, could you please state your full name and address for the record yeah? Absolutely it's.

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Crystal shank one, two, four six two randy drive greencastle pa 17225. I work for tom as his service.

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Coach, so I oversee 11 stores for service and training, so I work hand in hand with our service.

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Managers to ensure that the responsible alcohol service courses that you see, along with our tips.

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Courses are 100 in every one of our locations and how long have you known, mr burkhart, five.

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Years, and do you believe that he will be a fit and proper person to hold this liquor license.

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Absolutely thank you very much. I turn it over the commissioners. They might have questions.

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For you, oh I'm, sorry any questions. I do not thank you. I don't have any questions. Okay,.

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Just go ahead and state your name and address for the record, it's good to mr beyond.

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uh Michael allender, 3285 charmel drive manchester maryland 21102.

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And could you please tell the board what your role and responsibilities are at the restaurant? I'm a managing partner. I see you oversee daily operations of the restaurant.

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Five years, and do you also believe that he would be a fit and proper person to hold.

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This liquor license absolutely further questions.

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Yeah, the two gentlemen on your right, particularly that one this one right here, would you please.

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Introduce yourself for the board: yes, I'm granville hibbard 3314 milldale lane new windsor maryland.

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21776, mr go ahead: how long have you known mr eckert, I've known mr eckerd personally since.

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1987, but I'd seen him before at the store. Do you believe that he will continue to be a fit.

K

And proper person to hold his liquor license. It's probably the finest carroll county has to offer.

K

No further questions your handicapped, mr gibbett,.

O

You're going to ask that 16.2 under on the oath too remember that [laughter].

A

I rather imagine leroy ford, would question that. However, it always does sir we'll take your word.

A

For that, mr eckert, would you like to say anything? Yes? Well, I just uh stephen anthony eckard uh 1251.

P

Stone road westminster maryland two one, one, five, eight, uh also known as tony eckert or better.

P

Known as tony ackard for the board's information, I've recently retired from carroll county public.

P

Library in october of 2022, I served there for 20 years as director of finance would want to know.

P

The board that I'm still active, very active in the community I serve on the board of the.

P

Union mills homestead foundation and also on the board of the arc of carroll county.

A

Any questions, no questions. I have nothing further. Mr.

K

Jerry turn it over to the board for deliberation.

A

Inspector benford, do you have any comments to make? No, I mean every time they've been very.

I

Good to work with, um I do not believe they have any alcohol, underage sales.

I

And I know mike the six years I've been working as inspector.

I

Any questions no questions, mr burkhardt, I just have one question- has nothing to do.

A

Okay, with the application per se used to be able to throw peanuts.

A

My my uh introduction to to texas roadhouse was mr hibbert will appreciate this. Many many.

A

Years ago there used to be a three-day pro-am golf tournament in fredericksburg virginia.

A

In the first evening, we went for dinner was to a.

A

Texas roadhouse across the street, and I thought when I walked in the door.

A

Crunched peanut shells on the floor. What kind of establishment is this so with that and that's.

A

I'm gonna say I probably shouldn't say but gee tim mccoy was still.

A

Our pro at that time, so you know how long ago that's been.

A

Peanuts anymore: well, we still have peanuts available, but they're in bags. Now we did.

L

Have them on the table at one point: you write their peanuts everywhere. One I've.

L

Been with texas roadhouse, this is 25 years. So at one point we did have peanuts everywhere. So.

L

Then we went to two buckets on the tables, one for shells. We were trying to get everybody to.

L

Put the shells in the extra bucket that kind of worked you know and then and then unfortunately,.

L

With the whole covered situation, we thought nobody wants to put hands and peanuts anymore.

L

That are on tables, even if we chill now we have, we have bags of peanuts and we just have.

L

An empty bucket so we're trying to get the folks anybody wants peanuts, gets a bag and.

L

I want to tell you: everybody throws their shells in the bucket, but it's there so.

L

Kind of an evolution of our peanuts process. I was just curious we're killing time because.

A

Our next schedule d item.

A

Not 11 30 and it's not even 11 o'clock yet so has nothing to do with this, but we're killing time and.

A

I could grill that pair of guys on your right, miss leanne, but I won't say anything about them.

K

Well, I can kill a little bit more time for you. May I introduce give.

K

You a copy of the trader's license that we got this morning for the file.

L

I am a peanut fan if that helps so peanuts are good too. I might add.

L

I have a where I live in stevensville maryland. I have it. My garage is a tiki bar and I can tell.

L

You I have a case of our peanuts in bags in the in there for anybody that comes over. So one of.

L

The things there's a popcorn maker and a and a case of bag textured out peanuts in my bar.

L

I don't have any you know what I don't know where they throw the shelves. No, I'm thinking about it. So.

K

Use them for multiple with that said, testimony and evidence is now closed. uh They'll proceed.

A

If you have any closing comments, I just think the testimony has shown that the applicants are fit.

K

And proper and when asked the board approve this transfer, dr benfer, you have any closing comments.

I

I was going to ask about line dancing, but I was I I mentioned that earlier and [laughter].

A

Yummy or been in the one here, that's adlon dancing is that and hannah if they do line.

I

Dancing in hanover that's in north and mason those people up here in hanover they're different.

A

Foreign about in in virginia they do line dancing in virginia, but you don't do it in maryland.

L

Gotcha, it started earlier by chance, so came up just as a random when we were all just signing the.

L

The form and so on and uh when we're done with the hearing, yeah I'll, have to ask mike why we're not.

B

Having line dancing in westminster, I first see a line dancing uh class happening soon in his store.

M

We we always line dance right there in front of the bar. I know it's small, but it only lasts for.

M

One minute we don't do a whole song. I may suggestion to have a bigger restaurant, so.

I

That might be coming. We don't want no polls in that restaurant. No, we don't need that.

L

No polls, nobody on dancing, expand to miss leanne. What we're talking.

A

About because I don't think she knows, I completely know what you're talking about.

A

What's that all testimony enough is closing, we now decide to merit's the case. Do you have any further.

A

Questions. Commissioners, sir, you have a motion to make. I do have a motion to make a motion that we.

H

Approve the application for the transfer of a license to a new corporate entity and a change.

H

Of license eb for a class b r beer, wine and liquor license open for one meal only to be.

H

Issued to stephen a eckard and thomas m burkhart for the use of texas roadhouse of carroll county.

H

Trading as texas, roadhouse 21, south cranberry road westminster, maryland election district, seven.

A

I will second, the motion: motion's been properly bathed and seconded that we.

A

Approve the application- and I'm not going to read all that again of the applicant- is there.

A

Any further discussion on the motion hearing- none all those in favor signify the saying aye.

A

Aye opposed no the eyes have it. Congratulations! Continued good luck! Thank you very much very much.

M

We'll work on the line, dancing you'll work on that thanks and I would suggest that perhaps our other.

A

Inspector be invited to your first line, dancing place. [Laughter] two left feet, so I don't think.

A

British version of that, if you get him, we do it in squares [laughter]. You know it caused an accident.

C

O

I'm really playing now to try to keep playing because, but I stop, I.

Q

Can anymore, I can barely when I can't get the ball out of the hole anymore.

Q

Or whatever I'm done, you got one of them, putters right good to see you.

I

Good job, we started our own alcohol management, all mr patel, and ask him if he can come early. Let me.

A

Ask the question: did he not present this to us? Is this the same presentation, but this is a similar.

D

Requested it's similar. He told me that um be able to deliver primarily because they have a lot of.

D

Element, customers and there's apparently steps up into there. You know anybody just.

K

Just um it's not the guy. He talked about delivering and also that other service.

A

Okay, we're going to take another 10 minute break.

A

Okay, matt we're back in session this time. I would ask our attorney mr dixon, nicole.

A

Case 6431, please all right, k-6431 in the matter of a class br beer, wine and liquor.

C

License open for one meal only issued to thomas c hutchinson and michael v long.

C

For the use of enola ink created as milk cafe and restaurant 6212 ridge, road mount airy maryland.

C

21771 violation, hearing sale to a minor in the file this matter, we have the following documents:.

C

A december 12 2022 letter from joe vance to thomas c.

C

Hutchinson and michael v long about the violation.

L

A alcohol compliance violation sheet signed by james pullen, uh dated december 9, 2022.

C

And they notice a violation for selling alcohol to persons under 21 on the letterhead of brian.

C

L de leonardo and it was completed by a thomas, eric zimmerman. I would ask that the.

C

File be entered into evidence, we'll accept that in evidence this time I would ask all.

A

Those students and to testify please stand and raise your right hand and be sworn in by ms van.

A

Do you swear or affirm, under the penalties of perjury, that the testimony you're about.

D

To give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing, but the truth I do may be seated.

A

I would request that, as you testify, please state your full name and address for the record. Please.

A

With that victor come on in uh jim pullen liquor inspector for the.

J

Board of license commissions for carroll, county 225, north center street westminster maryland cases.

J

On the 9th of december 2022 at approximately 250 pm, which was a friday I sent to underage, volunteer.

J

Who was 17 years old into nook's cafe with the intention to purchase an alcoholic beverage.

J

The volunteers sat at the table within the sun room of that building and was served a coors beer.

J

Originally, from a can which the server thomas zimmerman poured into a glass.

J

Upon my arrival, I spoke to the server informing him that the person he had served was a minor and.

J

I asked him whether he had checked that person's id and he told me that he had got distracted. So I.

J

Take it that he hadn't. uh He also told me that he knew it was an offense to serve a minor alcoholic.

J

Beverage and he stated that he had done a alcohol service class about three years previously.

J

And all the above occurred in mount airy carroll county maryland, I'd like to make a submission of.

J

Photographs to the board have they been shown to they have yes, we'll accept them into evidence.

A

Foreign with that.

A

Who would like to tell their side of the story? What happened? I can do that. My name is brian.

R

Knuckles and my address is 9410 highlander court uh in walkersville maryland 21793 um in early.

R

December we informed our employees. How do you spell your last name? Oh knuckles, n-u-c-k-o-l-s.

A

You may proceed go ahead uh in early december just to preface this uh uh in early december.

R

We informed our employees due to lack of sales, that we were going to be closing.

R

um The idea that he didn't card an employee and that he was distracted um is, I will say,.

R

On our part, absolutely ridiculous that place was nowhere near the capacity uh that he should have.

R

Been distracted in any way, um I can only say that uh I believe that he thought that he would.

R

Just make some cash wherever he could before the holiday closed. We we gave the employees the notice.

R

That we were going to close up after the new year and uh with that, after this occurred, we did fire.

R

Him that day uh and we without the uh coverage of servers and knowing that we were going to close.

R

In the future, we did close after that weekend not employing that employee uh through the weekend and.

R

um We did turn in our liquor license the the week following, I believe somewhere around there, but we.

R

Did not open up uh into uh after that weekend was done, but that employee was fired that day.

A

How long was that employee employed by you? um I couldn't tell you off the top of my head.

A

And how long has the restaurant been open? uh We did do a changeover, it's been about three years.

R

uh And we did do a changeover, uh it originally was uh brick ridge and it was changed over to nook.

R

Cafe and restaurant for about a year, we had over that three years with covet and everything we had.

R

Major issues with staffing, I think my first year I had full changeover in cooking staff three times.

R

um And that it wasn't we weren't paying them right. It's just that the place wasn't moving.

R

Enough for people to really enjoy their jobs there. I think the employment had always been.

R

An issue- and I mean obviously I you know- I had people begging me- to stay open, yeah and, and I.

R

Wanted to keep it open until christmas, even though we were losing money uh and and after this I said.

R

It's a no-go, you broke the trust, we're done here and and that's how we proceeded with after this.

A

Did you have a training program for your employees? Yes, what type of training was it? um I we had? We.

R

Had a general manager uh logan hunter there for a while and um as well as other employees that were.

R

um uh Tip certified, uh you know they would train them on everything that they would need to do.

R

Their job, I will say that um you were required to ask id of anybody purchasing alcohol. The idea that.

R

Anybody I mean that place was not busy enough to not ask friday an id by any means, um and he should.

R

Have that's just blatant, did you accept vertical ids at all? uh We do not accept vertical ids at all.

A

And how many of your employees were either tips or tams certified.

R

um At that point, it's it's it's hard because there was an exodus of employees. Knowing I I wanted to.

R

Give them the opportunity to work and make money until christmas, and I had a massive uh uh decrease.

R

In employees, I think I think, towards the end, I think I had two servers. I mean it wasn't anything.

R

um I would say I was to I'm, I'm tip certified and I was typically there on site um beyond.

R

That I think we had, uh I know that he said that he was tip certified, maybe three years before, but.

R

um The other tip certification, uh employee that we had thomas uh thomas zimmerman thomas zimmerman.

R

He's thomas zimmerman: uh sorry, uh samuel neubauer. uh Yes, uh he was tip certified as well as a thomas.

R

Zimmerman, I believe, that's not the individual there right right, yeah tom zimmerman was the.

J

Person who did it um I'm sorry, I can't remember any of the aim of the employee, but he left three.

R

Days prior to that- and he was also tip certified, so I had more than 50 of my staff tips certified.

R

um Yeah and the restaurant is closed at the present time. We closed uh following that weekend.

R

This happened on a friday uh that employee was fired that day and the the two servers we had.

R

With limited coverage I mean not even enough to run the restaurant, I said you guys can work.

R

Through the weekend, and then after that we closed it, we were typically uh wednesday through sunday.

R

And we we closed after that, we did employ cooks for another two weeks to help clean.

R

Up get to christmas, get some money, but all the servers I said, nope out the window, we're done.

A

If you had any violations prior to this one, no in my 12 years of managing uh nook and.

R

Cafe, nolan downtown frederick overseeing both locations, uh not not once under under my watch.

A

So you managed another location in frederick as well. Yes, I I oversee.

R

I oversee cafe: nola in frederick and uh nook cafe,.

R

I was the chief of operations and I also had a general manager under me. That was there.

A

Any questions, yes, were you there the day that this happened? No, and did he tell you he did not.

H

Check id, or did he tell anyone, it was kind of ambiguous to our inspector? Did he tell anyone.

H

Whether he had or not uh he did I'm sorry. Can you ask me, did he tell anybody that he did check id or.

H

Did not change? No, he did not check ig, he didn't even change nope and how many people were in.

H

The restaurant at the time couldn't tell you I. I don't think that there was yeah. You can speak to.

R

That you were there. Can you speak to that? Yes, um upon my revive on my arrival, there was one.

J

Of the vehicle in the car park and when I sent my volunteer in for uh senior citizens came out.

J

When I went to the restaurant there was no one else in the restaurant. Apart from my volunteer.

H

So I guess your theory is his distraction was the fact that he was going to lose his job eventually.

H

I can't I can only. I can only imagine that, under the circumstances that he was just.

R

Trying to get money- and at that point I said we're done here- if I can't trust.

R

You all to do the bare minimum of your job, then, where the trust is.

R

Out the window- and I can't manage a place where trust is out the window.

A

What would the price of that be or been probably five bucks.

A

Drift, if I remember the photos right, it was a coors can it would have been.

R

It would have been poured from it was a coors can yeah. We do not have anything on tap there.

H

What's your position with the uh establishment? Technically, it's uh chief of operations.

H

It is the that's for inola right, yes, are you.

H

The liquid licensee, yes, okay and your name michael long. Thank you.

A

Mr long, how much time did you spend at the restaurant uh honestly not a lot? uh You know.

S

Brian's been with me, uh managing for, like I said 12 years, is very good manager and I'll tell you.

S

The truth, I think, since the pandemic, it's been incredibly hard to keep talented individuals.

S

With awareness able to you know, do their jobs, uh we've had tremendous turnaround and I say we run a.

S

Very successful restaurant in frederick we've had no violations, uh and you know the last four years.

S

We've seen in both restaurants, just a tremendous turnaround of staff, and so when we're talking.

S

About tip certification and everything, it's very difficult to plan that when you have people that.

S

Are rotating in and out over and over again it's one of our decisions to close the restaurant is.

S

Mainly, keeping talented and focused individuals- and that includes uh waiters and chefs and and.

S

Managers, it's been very, very difficult, and I think this was one of the fallbacks of it.

A

Any questions I don't have any other questions.

A

Dr poland, do you have any other comments? No, sir, that's that would be my case.

A

There are no other questions, testimony uh is closed and we will proceed to uh final.

A

Arguments and comments to either you, gentlemen, have any final comments. As far as I'd like to note.

R

um We did talk with keith benefit about this. uh We, as far as I know, never going to uh try.

R

To obtain another liquor license yeah in carroll county uh ever again, I think I think, he's getting.

R

Out of the game, four years have been enough: yeah uh yeah, and um I I don't think that there's ever.

R

Going to be another liquor license obtained by michael long or myself in carroll county.

A

That said, the inspector polon, do you have any final comments.

J

No, the restaurant was a very nice restaurant and I was surprised that this incident happened. I it.

J

Was this was my the first check? First compliance check since it had opened, and I was just driving.

J

By and from coming from another establishment- and we just stopped off- and this happened so.

J

It was, it was unexpected and I know people who uh were or members of the members of staff who.

J

Worked at the establishments and it looked great and I feel sorry that it's closed down.

A

There are no other comments, testimony is closed and we will now deliberate the merits of the case.

A

The license was turned in how long afterwards.

I

Probably like that wednesday or thursday, it was three or four days later I mean.

I

But we talked before then, and um I knew it was coming and just he said he decided to close so.

A

How many comments questions um I just I. I would just like to point out. I empathize with your.

H

Situation having been a restaurant owner in the past in this county and luckily so before, covid.

H

We hear this a lot that there are challenges with staffing and and employees that are willing to do.

H

What's right, unfortunately, a minor was served so um that that's the take from all of that.

H

uh I don't know if maybe better management of the employees in that last month might have helped.

H

Again, a minor was served so that being said, if you don't have any comments, I'd be prepared.

H

To make a motion, I don't have any further comments. Okay, so in the matter of uh okay, 6431.

H

To for class br beer, wine and liquor license issued to thomas hutchinson and michael long.

H

For the use of enola incorporated trading as no cafe and restaurant, I do find you culpable.

H

Of the violation of sale to a minor, and I would impose a fine of three hundred dollars.

A

I would second, the motion: motion's been properly made and seconded that we find the.

A

License e culpable and assess a fine of three hundred dollars.

A

To thomas c hutcheson and michael michael v, long for the use of enola.

A

Inc trading, as nook cafe and restaurant at 6212 ridge, road, mount airy, maryland.

A

Elbow and issue a fine of three hundred dollars is there any further discussion on the motion.

A

Hearing none all those in favor of sigma 5 is saying: aye aye opposed no so ordered. Gentlemen.

A

We find you culpable and assess a 300 fine, which must be paid satisfied within 30 days.

A

Of official notice of the action of this commission, you have any questions where do.

R

We pay that, can we pay that in this building pay it too. Ms vance. Thank you, sorry that uh business.

A

Prevailed uh and cause the closing of your establishment, uh but wish you much success.

A

Continued success, I guess I should say in frederick, uh and I guess thank you. Thank.

A

You, as you said, we don't expect to see you here again, but you never know what might happen, but.

A

Thank you for your candid answers and.

A

Best wishes for continued success. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you all very much.

A

Now we can get back to our.

A

Routine business meeting.

A

Inspector pulling is he coming back in, I believe so.

A

Okay, at this time, we will go back to our official business agenda and there's a.

A

Request from review patel of city spirits to make deliveries and do online orders with shipping.

A

At this time, uh I guess we need sworn testimony.

A

A

Your name and address sir druva patel store address or.

T

The addresses either one 208 east ridgeville boulevard, mount airy, maryland 21771.

A

And what is your request so we had after seeing the business and how a lot of.

T

Our customer base, we have a lot of older folks coming in and their biggest complaint is you.

T

Know there's the trip over going up the stairs, taking everything downstairs and.

T

We do as much as we can to help. We take things out, but we have quite a.

T

That's a large part of our demographic, and so we really want to add in a delivery service to kind.

T

Of streamline everything, save them a trip and just provide better service for the community.

A

You have a class a license correct. Yes, sir.

A

You're located on the second floor, is that what you're saying it's not on the second floor, it's.

T

Just the from the parking lot to the store, it's there's a couple: every method is a flight of steps.

I

They're across it from where the old green turtle was in mount airy.

I

And it's the park and it slopes down. So the parking lot is probably eight steps yeah at.

T

The shortest time steps there's some parts where it's like 12 15 steps to go up and take it back.

T

Down it comes a lot. I have this one lady. She gets 10 case of natural light every other week and I.

T

I have to do that. You know it's no problem, I don't have no problem, but I take it out for.

T

And I only imagine that once she gets home, how is she getting these 10 cases into our house.

T

I mean you have a single customer that buys 10 cases, yeah 10 cases in natural light, 18 packs.

T

She does it every couple weeks, then I have another guy. He just got a heart surgery. He.

T

Comes in, he gets two 18 packs of bud light for himself, two 18 packs of natural light for his.

T

Son and sometimes he gets bottles for his wife, like uh I believe it's amsterdam and they also.

T

Like bold rock 18 packs, so he's getting all these items and I always carry it out for him, because I.

T

Mean he's a little more on the elderly side. He has a heart surgery and everything so but again.

T

On the flip side, who's helping him take all this stuff into his house, or is he doing it all himself.

A

Any questions, so what would be your um method for confirming ids.

H

um So we have in place uh a couple of different options so before the delivery itself, there is.

T

Two methods, potential methods, both of which would require our employee from the store to.

T

Be the delivery driver, a tip, certified employee, of course, that those two methods are either.

T

A website or the drizzly app, which is already being used in about 20 counties around maryland,.

T

Now, in both of these case scenarios, the customer would have to create an account.

T

With the with the app or website, and in that account creation, there's a photo identification.

T

It's a verification beforehand. Let's say mr browning creates an account. It would.

T

Have his first name last name address and then he would have to upload a picture of.

T

His id that confirms the same information and that way at the point of sale online. We know.

T

Beforehand that okay, this has come, this order is coming from someone who's, 21 years old and then.

T

On the flip side of it we're still at the point of delivery, we will still request id to.

T

Make sure that whoever placed the order is the individual that is indeed picking up the order.

H

So so, as the devil's advocate here so like a teenager, could get mom's id and put it on the.

H

App and when you deliver it, it has to be that person that you saw on the website yep. Even if.

T

Even if it's another individual who's just to prevent any kind of mishaps, even if it's.

T

Another individual right, let's say they're, both 21.. I would still require that the person who.

T

Placed the order be the person that picks it up, there's no, if fans or nothing to get around that.

T

If, for some reason they can't accept it or it's someone underage trying to you.

T

Know pull a quick one, just cancel the order refund the money and take it back.

C

Does the initial id have to be a driver's license? Yes, okay, I wasn't sure the way you.

C

Said it whether it could be a license or just a photo? Oh sorry, yes, it would be a driver's license.

A

Are you aware that we have a alcoholic beverage delivery form.

A

That has been approved by this board. No, I'm not aware.

A

That form requires I'm just gonna go over with you, the name of the establishment.

A

The order date, the delivery date, the time ordered and the time it was delivered.

A

The name of the customer, the phone number and the delivery address. In addition,.

A

A driver's license or other government issued photo id, is required of the recipient state of.

A

The license information, that's on the license, such as the date of birth and the address.

A

Delivery reform requires the brand size and quality of beverages to be delivered.

A

The total amount must exceed a hundred dollars.

A

There's a certification here.

A

That the person who receives it has to sign it. The delivery driver has to sign it.

A

And that delivery driver must be an employee of your establishment and the tips or tam certified.

A

This has been issued and approved for a few other establishments in the county.

A

We do not allow online delivery, as you mentioned, from whatever you said,.

A

What's the name of the drizzly app, we do not condone the drizzling.

T

So we could always just go through our website and have a direct orders placed through there.

T

And then go with that follow the form per delivery. Do you have that that same setup.

H

Where that has to be the driver's license put in, and that's what you see when so they would.

H

Upload the license, even if they ordered through your website, create account upload a license.

T

At that point, we should have all the information required to be able to fill out that form for you.

A

How do you ascertain whether that's a valid license or whether it's.

A

T

So, in this case, we would have them upload it and that it's almost operating on good faith at the.

T

Beginning but at the point of delivery we have the service where we can go ahead and scan the id.

T

Right so we'll have a method in which we can scan the idea and verify your delivery driver.

A

Is going to scale id? Yes, he has a portable thing with him. Yes, you have that now with.

T

Me currently, no, I do not. No, I mean, do you have it at the store? Now? Yes, you do. Yes,.

H

I don't have any further questions.

A

I would be uh amenable that uh we approve delivery under the circumstances that we have already.

A

Established for other establishments to conform with their requirements.

A

And this delivery form uh I'm not in favor of any online ordering or ids.

H

So you're saying even the website you're even their own personal business website, you're not.

H

So what the person would call in, I can see his point where initially they know by the.

H

By the information provided to them that a person of the right age over 21.

H

Has ordered this if they take an order over the phone and then show up there.

H

They're not necessarily verifying that the same person made the order.

H

So they can verify they can verify that like say someone calls in and says yeah yeah, yes well, we'll.

H

Deliver and then they get there and then there's a random person who's over 21. Accepting the delivery.

H

With id, but it's not the same person, that's all he's doing.

A

Is what it says on this, except he has an event in advance, a photo id, whether it's.

A

Correct or whether it's correct fake or who it is right, but as he says once he.

H

Gets there he can say this same person has to take it too. I understand that, however,.

A

A

Practice might be, and this is what bothers me.

A

That that delivery person says okay, I'm looking at that photo. This is the same person, I'm not going.

A

To bother to look at it, I'm just going to sign this form and get them to sign the form good point.

A

Now, if I may uh that's one of those things, that's very strict. It's going to be the same as you're in.

T

The store you don't hand over any alcohol without seeing an id first it it does not matter. If this.

T

Person you've delivered to them 20 times. You must see the id. If you don't see the id, that's a large.

T

Liability on all ends and that could will at that point you could lose your job. So that's.

T

A very strict thing for me at the store and in delivery it'll, be as it would be, the same level.

T

If not even more, I mean can't really get more strict, every single transaction. I need the id.

H

Did you have a recent in-store violation? No, no! Okay. Have you ever had any violations? No, sir! How.

T

Many years I mean, we've only been established for say what uh six months, five six months, yeah.

H

I knew you were familiar and I couldn't remember at what so it was when you came.

H

To get your license in the first place right, yes, yes,.

A

You've heard what I I I I absolutely and I and I take so you this form gets filled out.

H

Every time and then what filed and then given to us or available to us, if we ask.

A

It's available to us, if we ask and with a copy of the receipt, enter the copy of the receipt. The.

A

Few instances that we've had as well as when covet was here and restaurants.

A

Were able to deliver and so on and so forth, which a few of them still are eligible to do.

A

One of the inspectors has been requested to check the logs that they keep.

A

And verify that information? That's what we have done since it's been available.

H

So hearing his side of it, I agree with the fact that.

H

It could get overlooked if you thought you had.

H

An approval before just to say: okay, yeah, that's right, where this form forces you to.

H

Write everything down at point of sale when you're there in front of the person and you're right. They.

H

Could just say: oh well, my order has that on it, so I'll just copy it over um things happen. So I agree.

H

With you that a call-in order or at some point and then take this form and fill it out and then all.

H

The information gets put on this upon transfer of the liquor to the alcohol to the the buyer. um I I.

H

Would be agreeable with that I'll call an order. You could still make a call in order right, but.

A

Ensuring that the person is 21. or older upon receipt by actually checking that.

A

Id just like they do in the store. Now I think inspector benford or.

A

As vance or mr dixon correct me, this has only been in force for less than a year correct.

I

I am technically no that rule's been effect for as long as I can remember. We just approved that.

A

What what we say in february that was the first one we approved yes, the first one we approved.

A

And it was my race, my recollection that at the end of the year we were to see what the results were.

A

uh In case, any changes needed to be made because of this. uh That particular.

A

Request would be that you've only been in business for what six months yes,.

A

uh That until we get some history of the conformance with rules and regulations that.

A

I would be so inclined to approve what I just said based upon this application.

I

Can I make some suggestions and comments? Yes, sir? Okay, I do like the idea of the online.

I

Because it will be some information put on on line that we can track easier than.

I

Someone calling in and filling out a form he would show he could have the online form.

I

And then then, I would have a form to match that online information and a photograph of the license.

I

Compared to someone calling on in that, I don't know they called in on so I don't know where to.

I

Track to make sure there's a one for that when the person called in on this flip side, another.

I

Thing is: we cannot give him authorized by a board. We cannot authorize him to go deliver into howard.

I

County, oh yeah, of course not it's only. He can only deliver in the house. Excuse me into carroll county.

I

Or you can't the montgomery, whatever being in mount airy, you would have to make sure also.

I

The addresses you put on, I could verify those addresses, make sure they're in carroll county.

I

What's my address is on here was that the address is on this form correct, but I like the idea I can.

I

Compare it to the online form to make sure there's a there's that form filled out also, there's 100.

I

Can is a hundred dollars all right with you? It has to be a minimum order of 100 hours, so.

T

That's one of the questions I had a hundred dollars at that point. We would still get use out.

T

Of the service, but if there was a potentially my average ticket, it seems to be around the 50 60 70.

T

Mark so if I could get it to the 50, then I would be able to, for instance, like the mr lindhoff for.

T

Example, the individual who gets the two buds and the two natural lights and he's usually around.

T

About fifty to sixty dollars, whereas no I mean I think the hundred dollars is what we talked.

I

About how other establishments agreed 100, I think you would have to have a 100 hour. That's fine! I.

I

Could and I think people if they realize that then they're going to be ordering three weeks worth the.

I

Four week course compared to two weeks worth yeah: fair enough. It could still it wouldn't be an issue.

I

I just like I just like the idea with the online order is something I can compare to.

I

Then someone calling in which they can still do, I just it just. I know I'm looking for all.

I

Right this online order was january 12th. I won't find a form that says january 12th too,.

T

And we do, we would have an online sale log, so you could directly compare okay. You had.

T

150 online sales, where you're 150 forms it would be in sequential order, easy to.

T

Compare this is profitable for you to deliver for less than fifty dollars.

T

It's it wouldn't be as profitable as a hundred for sure 100 minimum.

T

I think if you are building in a delivery fee that covers your.

T

Overall delivery cost right, some, basically gas, so you're going to charge more it'd, be.

T

A small it would be a marginal fee, it wouldn't be ridiculous amount.

A

What do you think.

H

I think it definitely should be allowed to do it, as others have been abiding by the form, and it's.

H

Fill out, I guess the questionable thing is whether we're ready to go into the new age of online.

H

Like I said at the very beginning,.

H

It's the way everything is done these days, unfortunately, but I also agree with you that.

H

It could allow things to slip under the carpet if they decide not to actually check the id.

H

Because I already have one so you understand our our thought process there. You know if the.

H

Driver's like, oh, why would he have all this information I'll just copy this over? I don't.

H

Really need to see and well and also if, if he's going to scan the idea at the end of the sale.

I

There should be a log with that id scan to match that paperwork to match that online order.

H

Correct but then that changes, whether he's going to make it the same person who makes the order.

H

Because if he scans somebody else's license but they're over 21, then it's okay. He stated.

H

Earlier he would make it be the same all right I mean you have to eventually you.

I

Have to trust the police working, that's doing the right thing, absolutely there's.

I

Always ways around everything- and I don't want to- we can't regulate everything because again.

I

Who says that person's 21 walks up and gets to 21 and gets two cases of beer and walks out to.

I

Parking lot takes one inch, his car at one of the other buddies car. That's 19. right that happens. I.

I

Mean we can't, but we have to trust his employees to keep an eye out and and sell someone who's 21.

H

So what would you think if it was just his online? Not getting a third party like drizzly, because I.

H

Think if you open the door to drizzly, I think that would be a whole nother problem in itself.

H

To to satisfy my question as long as that id that you get online matches the address.

A

And the id that you deliver to I'm good with that.

A

But not take my id at 123 main street and I want it to deliver to 456 maple avenue.

A

Okay, yeah, I mean that that makes absolute sense. So you you have to be a carroll county.

C

Resident to order, you can't be like a visitor right in carroll county right.

C

And make the order because your your id isn't going to match the address? What's the address.

I

And the address has to be, the address has to be in carroll, county.

A

Where do these people live? They live in carroll county that you spoke of or.

A

Lay across the line frederick, they live in carroll, county.

A

A

We will approve this request subject to completion.

A

Of the delivery form and all the pertinent information, that's required.

A

With a hundred dollar minimum okay and with online ordering as long as it's only his website,.

A

His website and the address of the photo that you get online must match the address that you.

A

Delivered to absolutely and the purchase of a scanner yes and the purchase with a scammer.

T

It's at the time of delivery yep we would be scanning the id ms vance, do you have all that.

A

You need to put that in the form of emotion, sir.

C

um You don't have to if we discussed it, it's going to be in the minutes.

A

Okay, you understand what we're approving yes, sir, any questions.

A

How many employees do you have at the present time just one employee.

T

It's just me: who's gonna be in the store while you're delivered. So that's the thing we would.

T

Have we're looking to get a third and play well right now, technically, it is three we have.

T

My father he comes in, he helps um now where we would look to get a third and that way we.

T

Would always have two people at the store at the same time, and basically whoever so.

T

Me and the current employee who's been he stuck around for a while, for the reason being that he.

T

Is very diligent in making sure that he gets the ids and he's he's, not someone where you have to.

T

Worry like okay, this guy's gonna cut corners and so it'd be either me or him, making the delivery.

T

And uh you know whoever's newer would be kind of just in the story. You understand that delivery.

A

Person has to be tips or tam certified he's tip certified. Okay, any other questions.

P

No okay, one other thing I would like to uh at least don't have to go into minutes.

A

I'd like a report in six months.

A

As to number of deliveries and so on and so forth and.

A

All the pertinent information that we're asking.

A

Okay, any other questions, if not sir, at least you good luck in the keep us posted on the.

A

Success or non-successive yes, okay, all right we'll do keith. Does he have enough more.

A

Give him that one get some more for you all right.

B

Okay, thank you.

B

Go ahead I'll talk tomorrow,.

A

Is there any other information information, any other uh agenda items or business to come before us this month?.

A

Ernie dixon: do you have any comments, closing comments, closing arguments, none no, sir.

A

With that said, our next meeting is scheduled for wednesday uh february the 8th at 10 o'clock.

A

In this room, do I hear a motion that motion to adjourn the meeting hasn't been properly made.

A

This meeting has adjourned.