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From YouTube: 03 Oct 2022 Regular Cave Creek Town Council meeting
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Consent Agenda: 08:20
Item 1: 08:55 (Leash Ordinance)
Item 2: 22:04 (Planning Commission Vacancy)
Item 3: 33:55 (P-21-01 Extension)
Item 4: 1:13:43 (Z-22-01 2nd Reading)
A
C
A
We
will
the
castle
will
be
going
into
executive
session.
I'll
read
what
those
items
are
item:
one
Council
discussion,
consultation,
Direction,
two
and
legal
advice
from
the
town
attorney
pursuant
to
ARS,
section
38,
hyphen,
431.03,
paren,
a
n
paren,
paren,
3
and
paren,
and
parent
for
in
paren
regarding
potential
water
service
contract
with
the
owner
of
APN
211
hyphen,
52,
hyphen014
G
in
Desert
Hills
as
a
transition
project
under
the
2021
Water
Resource
policy.
A
Item
number
two
will
be
consultation,
discussion
or
Council
discussion,
consultation,
Direction,
two
and
legal
advice
from
the
town
attorney
pursuant
to
ARS
section
38,
hyphen
4103,
a
three
and
four
regarding
the
potential
transfer
is
existing.
What
Cave,
Creek
Water
counts
on
72nd
Street
to
Carefree
water
company
as
part
of
the
2021
settlement
agreement
to
separate
the
water
systems
at
the
municipal
boundary.
Do
I
have
a
motion
so
move
second
executive
session.
A
A
D
D
D
D
D
We
going
to
work
with
Maricopa
County
in
any
way
to
help
improve
situations
out
there
for
lost
hypers.
We
had
an
initial
conversation
with
the
park
director,
along
with
Jim
Ford
and
myself
about
the
activities
and
the
safety
out
there
particularly
related
to
heat,
but
this
was
after
the
first
incident
just
a
few
weeks
ago
and
sadly,
while
I
was
gone,
there
was
another
incident
and
we
will
follow
up
with
him.
D
But
what
we've
been
working
on
in
the
meantime
is
much
better
signage
at
the
not
just
at
the
entrance,
but
throughout
the
the
trails
themselves.
So
we've
been
looking
at
suggestions
for
better
clear
language
on
the
signs
and
how
the
signs
are
that
we'll
we'll
take
back
to
the
county
and
they've
already
offered
to
put
up
additional
signage
warning
people
the
county
actually
looked
at.
D
A
A
First:
item
on
the
connect
consent
agenda,
approval
of
the
September
13
2022,
special
counsel,
session
water,
Forum
minutes
and
item
two
approval
of
the
September
19
2022
regular
Council
meeting
minutes.
Do
we
have
a
motion
so
move?
Second,
all
those
in
tapers
AI
aye,
any
news:
okay,
we'll
move
to
the
general
agenda
items.
A
E
Mr
acting
mayor
council,
our
office
was
contacted
by
a
resin
who
is
had
some
continuous
problems
with
one
of
his
neighbors
walking
their
dogs
she's,
not
on
a
leash.
The
current
leash
law
or
anti-leach
law
in
Cave
Creek
is
covered
under
chapter
90.
14
A1
dogs
may
not
be
permitted
to
large
in
the
area
of
the
Town.
Each
dog
shall
be
confined
to
the
owner's
property.
E
Here's
the
key
phrase
or
when
off
the
owner's
property
should
either
be
secured
by
a
leash
or
directly
under
the
owner's
immediate
control,
by
voice
command
and
within
sight
of
the
owner.
At
all
times,
the
resident
decided
to
propose
a
amendment
to
that
that,
basically,
all
dogs
must
be
leashed
when
walking
on
public
roads,
public
streets,
public
rights
of
ways
or
easements
open
to
the
public.
E
E
E
We've
spoken
or
I've
personally
spoken
to
this
individual's
neighbor
and
I've
asked
them
to
just
avoid
that
particular
neighbor's
house,
but
for
some
reason,
I
guess
that
hasn't
happened.
Having
a
dog
under
voice
control
is
a
exceedingly
tough
standard
to
enforce
I'm,
not
going
to
be
present.
When
these
types
of
things
happen,
video
isn't
showing
whether
or
not
that
person's
dog
walked
away
for
three
feet.
E
Seldom
do
we
have
problems
with
dogs
being
off
leash.
However,
we
do
get
the
occasional
mountain
bike
rider
it'll
be
on
one
of
our
Trails.
Some
will
be
walking
the
trail
with
their
dog,
the
dog
becomes
startled
and
it
will
lay
out
a
bark
or
something
and
they
are
upset
that
the
dog's
not
on
the
leash.
So
that
has
occurred.
I'm
not
going
to
say
we
don't
ever
get
complaints
of
dogs
being
off
of
their
leashes,
but
it's
not
an
everyday
occurrence
by
any
means
in
Cave
Creek.
That
brings.
F
F
H
E
D
I
D
Mayor
council,
member,
usually
when
we
have
a
discussion
item
there
would
be
some
direction
to
the
staff.
If
any.
If
there's
no
direction,
we
would
not
go
forward
with
drafting
any
ordinance,
but
the
intent
was
to
to
give
the
resident
who
had
these
multiple
incidents
an
opportunity
to
speak
because
they've
been
going
on
for
how
long.
C
D
A
C
I
C
I
have
great
concerns
about
changing
a
town
ordinance
in
response
to
one
particular
situation
right
and
if,
given
that
the
individual
is
not
here,
we're
not
getting
a
full
picture
and
I,
don't
think
it
would
be
appropriate
us
to
give
any
direction
to
staff
without
having
a
better
idea
of
what
the
situation
is
and
what
the
the
person
who's
affected
wants
to
happen,
and
also
I.
Think
it's
very
important
that
this
be
discussed
with
the
trails
coordinator,
because
this
has
to
do
with
the
trails.
Thank.
K
K
K
You
need
to
determine
whether
this
is
a
public
safety
issue
and
come
to
council
with
a
definitive
recommendation
rather
than
hey
we're
passing
the
buck
on
the
council.
So
this
has
a
lot
of
problems.
We
have
no
testimony
here
tonight
the
individual's
not
here,
so
this
really
is
kind
of
a
misuse
of
resources.
K
D
B
D
To
be
relevant,
I
walk
on
Trails
I,
don't
like
it
when
dogs
are
not
ambitious
and
it
happens,
it's
not
like
it
never
ends.
So
I
I
can
postpone
this
until
we
hear
from
the
gentleman
who's
really
directly
has
the
problem
but
I'd
like
to
know
what
other
movies,
because
that's
a
good
way
to
determine
if
you
should
follow
suit.
F
Well,
I
I,
like
the
suggestion,
but
I
would
caution
that
we
should
look
at
municipalities
that
have
livestock
courses
allowed
in
their
zoning
category.
Secondly,
they
have
Trails
within
their
Community
dedicated
Trails
for
horseback
riding
I've
I've,
seen
a
lot
of
Riders
on
our
trails
that
have
a
dog
with
them
and
it's
they're
certainly
not
on
a
leash.
So
we
are
a
rural
equestrian,
High,
Sonoran,
desert
community
and
even
though,
let's
say
Scottsdale
or
Phoenix
has
a
leash
law.
F
A
J
A
D
C
E
C
C
J
A
M
You
need
to
do
that
yeah
evening,
everyone,
my
name,
is
Clayton
I
live
over
on
just
over
on
Military
Road
kind
of
grew
up
out
here,
my
entire
life.
You
know,
Arizona
native,
you
know,
passion
for
the
desert,
but
I
don't
know
qualifications
I
suppose
you
know,
I've
worked
for
an
Architecture
Firm
for
a
couple
years.
M
Doing
draftsman
details
everything
you
know
so
good
understanding
of
you
know,
building
processes
and
then
for
the
past
10
years,
I've
been
a
registered
licensed
landscape
architect
here
so
I
do
everything
from
like
residential
Parks
multi-family
do
get
into
some
of
the
planning
and,
like
larger
scale,
planned
Community
type
of
stuff
like
that.
So
definitely
like
a
background
in
planning,
and
you
know
kind
of
a
good
understanding
of
all
that.
So
really
just
looking
to
help
out-
and
you
know
be
here
and
I-
think
that's
probably
the
heart
of
it,
but.
I
M
F
C
K
I,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
I've
I've
listed
I've
sent
the
town
staff
a
a
whole
listing
of
questions
that
for
a
a
new
questionnaire
on
on
planning,
Commissioners,
not
I'm,
going
to
just
read
a
few
off
to
you
just
of
course.
One
word
answers
are
perfect.
Okay,
so
you
you've
been
in
in
Cave
Creek
for
a
long
time.
10
years,
you
said,
I
think
no.
M
K
K
M
You
know,
I
think
whether
it's
been
intentionally
or
through
codes
or
whatnot,
but
you
know
keeping
the
major
development
down
over
there
on
Carefree,
Highway
I
think
is
successful
and
you
know
how
the
town
is
developed
and
currently
is
nice.
I
think
I'd
just
be
more
on
the
trying
to
I'm,
not
preserve
everything.
M
K
F
The
bulk
of
requests
or
many
requests
on
the
planned
commission
is
for
rezoning
of
properties.
So
my
question
is:
what
how
do
you
look
at
the
property
rights
that
are
on
that
property
as
compared
to
Residents,
not
wanting
to
see
that
property
rezoned
or
developed
at
all?
I
guess
my
question
is:
do
you
have
the
Constitution
to
hear
from
residents
who
are
not
in
agreement,
and
and
can
you
look
at
that
property
and
to
be
fair
and
impartial?
F
Look
at
it
as
it
relates
to
the
property
rights
existing
on
it
negative
comments
from
the
neighborhood
versus
the
law,
the
be
it
our
local
ordinances,
be
it
state
or
be
it
national
I.E,
U.S,
Supreme
Court,
which
a
lot
of
these
zoning
cases
come
down
to
so
how's
your?
How
do
you
view
all
of
that
yeah.
M
I
think
you
know
it's
a
similar.
You
I
think
you
asked
me
a
similar
question
last
time
with
you
know,
regards
to
you
know,
being
able
to
you
know,
make
a
decision.
You
know
that's
upsetting
to
other
people,
I
suppose
you
know
and
being
able
to
stand
by
it
and
even
if
you
don't
agree
with
it,
I
suppose,
but
you
already
kind
of
said
it
I
mean
it's
property
rights
I
mean
to
some
degree.
It's
you
know
what
you
know.
M
There's
you've
got
a
property
owner
with
you
know
his
land
and
he's
got
rights
to
it.
There's
also
goals
of
the
town.
You
know
with
zoning
and
everything
else
so
I
think
that's
a
really
tough
one.
But,
like
you
said
already
it's
you
know
you
got
to
be
fair
and
judicial
about
it,
but
I'd
like
to
say
I,
think
I
could
you
know
be
able
to
do
that
and
go
down
the.
E
D
H
H
D
L
Okay,
thank
you.
Yeah
members
of
council
I
just
really
got
to
know
Clayton
through
his
development
of
his
property
through
the
building,
permit
application
process
and
the
construction
of
his
home.
Understand
that
he's.
He
has
a
landscape
background
that
would
really
you
know.
Staff
could
really
use
and
leverage
I
mean
just
from
a
selfish
standpoint.
L
It
would
be
much
easier
to
hand
him
landscape
plans
once
in
a
while
and
say
Hey
or
are
we
sure,
we're
getting
all
the
checking
all
the
boxes
on
these
and
he's
got
the
ability
to
do
that
right
now
we
use
an
arborist
that
we
consult
with
to
do
that.
So
it'd
be
probably
be
better
in
the
long
term
to
have
someone
kind
of
more
in-house
from
that
Planning,
Commission
and
and
to
the
point
of
him
not
attending
meetings.
He's
a
young
guy
he's
a
full-time.
You
know
he
runs
his
own
business.
L
L
L
F
The
last
time
we
were
filling
a
vacancy,
we
only
received
one
applicant
and
you
were
of
the
opinion
and
made
whether
it
be
emotion
or
whatever
that
we
should
have
multiple
applicants
to
choose
from,
and
here
we
are
again
with
just
one
I
I'm,
not
asking
you
to
say
how
you're
going
to
vote.
But
with
is
just
having
one
I'll
say
qualified
applicant
with
that
pass
muster
with
you.
D
A
F
A
L
A
L
Thank
you
acting
mayor,
Smith,
members
of
council,
as
you
stated,
this
is
a
request
of
the
applicant
of
a
one-time
six-month
extension
that
may
be
grounded
by
the
Town
Council,
it's
outlined
in
our
subdivision
ordinance
process.
Once
a
preliminary
plot
is
approved,
the
date
of
approval
of
this
one
was
November
1st
of
last
year.
They
must
submit
a
final
plat
application
within
one
calendar
year
or
within
one
one
year
of
that
approval
as
we
started
to
get
into
summer.
L
You
know
we
started
to
reach
out
to
the
applicant
to
see
where
they
were
in
preparation
of
their
final
plot
and
from
their
side.
They
they
were
not
going
to
be
able
to
meet
the
November
first
deadline
to
get
it
submitted.
So
it
was
at
that
time
that
they
were
notified,
that
you
know
your
preliminary
plot
expires
after
one
year
unless
you
submit
an
application
to
request
an
extension,
which
is
why
they're
here
tonight,
one
thing
I
did
want
to
cover
in
their
in
their
memo
to
the
town.
L
L
So
that
might
be
part
of
why
that
water
availability
with
the
town
of
Cave
Creek
statement
was
put
in
their
narrative.
But
with
that
I'll
answer,
any
questions.
I
I
brought
some
of
my
notes
from
the
original
preliminary
Platinum
exception
request.
So
I
can
speak
to
those
otherwise
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Okay,
I
have
I,
have.
A
F
L
K
L
You
know
all
those
it's
it's
actually
a
really
nice
linkage
from
Rancho
manana
down
south
of
town
hall
here
and
they're,
basically,
once
they
finish
with
the
adwr
process
and
revise
their
cause,
that's
15
lots
that
get
put
back
into
our
water
bank,
so
those
from
staff's
point
of
view
and
working
on
this.
We,
we
were
processing
a
preliminary
plaque
for
this
when
I
first
started
with
the
town
in
2006
and
that
development
plan
and
those
plots
if
you
were
to
hold
them
side
by
side.
L
The
previous
previous
ownership
groups
were
of
the
mind
that
they
wish
to
develop
every
square
inch
of
that
that
site
that
they
could
I
think
this
applicant
has
shown
that
they're
much
more
willing
to
work
with
the
town
and
preserve
as
much
as
they
can
and
even
the
exception
requests
were
born
out
of
that.
Why?
Why
extend
all
these
roads
and
why
extend
all
of
these
things
and
create
more
disturbance
and
more
development,
when
a
few
adjustments
in
the
subdivision
ordinance
would
allow
for
a
better
development
for
everyone?
A
F
I
know
I
did
I
know,
I
did
but
I
want
that
point
to
come
out
again
and
I
also
want
the
point
to
come
out
that
in
doing
so
when
the
Town
Incorporated
and
annexed
the
property
in
1986,
this
was
a
parcel
that
was
taken
in
and
it's
part
of
our
town
and
basically
they
have
property
rights.
They
have
the
rights
right
now
to
build
63
Lots
with
water
or
as
many
as
a
hundred
per
zoning.
L
L
Were
to
have
developed
30
40
years
ago
prior
to
the
Townsend
Corporation,
it
would
be
essentially
what
we
have
across
the
street.
It's
Surrey
carriage
Skyline
that
that
development
is
the
same
exact
zoning
that
backs
right
up
into
black
mountain
and
goes
up
to
Black
Mountain.
Those
were
all
platted
under
that
same
zoning,
using
those
same
rules
that
County
had
prior
to
the
Townsend
Corporation.
So
there's
no
open
space
over
there,
there's
no
there's
no
Trails
over
there.
The
streets
are
not
to
our
standards
there.
L
F
11
months
ago,
the
council
approved
the
preliminary
plan.
Plant
I,
stand
corrected
and,
as
you
said,
they
had
one
year
to
present
the
final,
an
application
with
a
set
of
documents
that
I
call
a
final
plan
of
subdivision
correct,
correct.
So
my
question
to
you
is
perhaps,
if
there's
anyone
here
from
representing
the
applicant,
they
could
address
this.
F
Maybe
you
could
that
year
is
expiring
in
a
month,
November
1st
I
believe
you
said
for
them,
then,
to
keep
that
parcel
alive
with
what
we
approved
11
months
ago,
they'd
have
to
submit
their
application,
which
is
a
simple
matter,
pay
the
fee,
but
more
importantly,
have
a
final
set
of
documents.
Final
set
of
engineering-
and
my
question
to
you
is:
would
six
months
be
of
sufficient
time
for
an
engineering,
firm,
I
believe
they're
using
Cohen
van
Liu
out
of
Phoenix
to
do
that.
D
J
D
So
I
would
like
you
to
recall
for
us
what
the
process
was
and
how
in
depth
it
was
among
the
planning
Commissioners
to
approve
this
proposal
and
why
you
think,
if
you
do
it
would
be
a
good
idea
to
give
them
six
additional
months
per
the
subdivision
ordinance
because
it
is
allowable
under
that
ordinance.
Sure.
H
H
Recall
there
was
a
petition
circulating
by
and
being
joined
by,
a
variety
of
residents
in
opposition
to
it,
and
you
know
at
the
time
I
was
confused
as
to
why,
because
I
took
a
deep
look
into
this
application,
there
was
a
number
of
exceptions
that
were
requested
and
with
each
one
of
them,
I
saw
an
obvious
rationale
behind
him.
They
were
causing
less
disturbance.
They
were
benefiting
the
town.
There
was
a
large
amount
of
land
that
was
developed.
H
B
H
My
calculations,
I,
think
I
came
up
to
112..
Lots
per
the
zoning
I
could
be
wrong,
but
it's
a
lot
granted
the
water
supply
that
they
already
had
was
for
63.
They
could
acquire
more
and
they
could
Jam
down
a
development
with
more
homes
similar
you
know
to
across
the
street.
You
know
that
would
be
nowhere
near
what
the
what
was
being
proposed
so
I
viewed
it
as
something
very
much
in
concert
with
our
general
plan.
H
H
Hopefully,
we
don't
end
up
with
something
worse
down
the
road,
but
I
see
only
a
win
by
granting
the
extension
as
far
as
the
rationale
behind
market
conditions
being
in
the
industry
myself,
it's
very
understandable
interest
rates
are
really
you
know,
not
just
interest
rates,
but
supply
chain
issues
have
caused
a
number
of
inflationary
impacts
on
building
and
developers
have
to
consider.
Does
this
pencil
out,
you
know?
Are
we
going
to
be
able
to
build?
Are
people
going
to
be
able
to
afford
these
properties?
H
H
We
may
find
ourselves
in
a
position
where
Builders
can
build
at
more
reasonable
prices
that
might
fit
in
better
with
interest
rates
and
so
I've
seen
a
lot
of
developers
kind
of
sit
on
the
sidelines,
they're
worried
about.
What's
going
on
so
I
can
understand
why
this
developer
hasn't
really
jumped
in,
but
I
see
no
problem
giving
them
extra
time.
Considering
the
deal
for
the
town
so.
D
H
In
many
facets,
you
know:
is
this
the
best
possible
outcome
for
the
town?
Maybe
not
I
mean,
wouldn't
it
be
great
if
there
was
a
developer
that
came
and
said,
I'll
build
one
home
on
76.
You
know
it's
not
likely
to
happen
in
my
opinion,
but
considering
what
this
is
vis-a-vis,
what
the
develop.
The
landowner
is
entitled
to,
not
just
from
the
standpoint
of
what
they
could
develop
and
disturb
on
that
Hillside,
but
also
from
a
water
standpoint.
The
towns
already
on
the
hook
for
63
lots
and
we've
got
48..
H
You
know
so
it's
basically
a
public
road
where
the
town
doesn't
have
to
maintain
it
pretty
awesome.
You
know
they
had
flag
Lots.
There
was
a
rationale:
it's
better
than
a
cul-de-sac.
You're
now
ripping
up
the
mountain
more.
There
was
reasons
behind
all
of
it.
It
all
made
sense.
Now
not
everybody
agrees
with
me,
but
I.
It
was
real
obvious
to
me.
So
what.
H
D
G
C
G
One
of
the
questions
that
you
were
asking
the
candidate
for
the
planning
and
zone
or
the
commission
answers
that
question
in
America,
property
owners
have
rights
to
their
property.
You
and
the
commission
have
to
balance
those
rights
against
their
neighbors
concerns
and
there's
a
variety
of
procedures
with
notices
and
protests
and
super
majority
voting
to
protect
the
rights
of
the
neighbors.
But
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
American
Constitution
protects
property
rights
and
if
I
have
a
piece
of
property
and
it's
been
zoned,
a
certain
area,
I
have
the
right.
G
I
have
the
right
to
develop
it
and
and
unlike
a
legislative
act,
a
plaid
is
an
administrative
act,
and
if
they
meet
the
requirements,
they
could
build,
63,
Lots
and
so,
and
so
what
they've
done
is
they've
limited?
What
they've?
What
they've
said
they've
been
willing
to
do,
and
so
this
this
is
the
classic
example
of
one
of
the
most
difficult
Pro
issues
you
have
as
a
council
is
letting
the
commission
take
the
first
cut
and
you
take
the
second
cut
as
to
as
to
these
issues.
G
I
know
some
of
your
in
your.
Then
there
are
laws
against
moratorium.
You
have
there,
you
have
to
jump
through
tons
of
Hoops
if
you're
going
to
absolutely
impose
a
moratorium,
but
that's
not
what
you're
suggesting,
but
what
there's?
What
they're
suggesting
is?
They
are
volitionally
willing
to
limit
the
development
to
give
you
the
benefits
that
Luke
described
benefits
they
do
not
necessarily
have
to
give
you
I
mean
if
this
were
If
This
Were
zoning.
There
would
be
a
different
question.
This
isn't
zoning.
C
C
L
I
L
F
A
To
before
we
get
much
further
in
this,
we've
I
think
we've
gotten
off
topic.
Yeah,
there's
exactly
one
question
here.
That
question
is:
will
the
council
Grant
an
extension
of
six
months
or
will
the
council
say
no
to
an
extension
of
six
months?
Well,
the
value
of
the
property
and
a
whole
bunch
of
other
questions
are
to
my
thinking
irrelevant
at
the
moment.
A
F
F
A
Opposes
the
second
is
from
Gary
Rector
who
lives
on
mesquite
Road,
and
his
comment
is
I
urge
you
to
vote
against
extending
the
deadline
for
the
hidden
Canyon
project.
The
initial
request
required
too
many
General
plan,
a
subdivision,
ordinance
waivers
the
applicants,
current
situations
so
South
poorly,
it
was
conceived.
The
town
should
not
Grant
exceptional
requests,
E21
hyphen
0
1
through
e2105
of
P
hyphen
21,
hyphen
0-1.
We
should
seize
the
opportunity
to
stop
this
ill-conceived
plan.
The
applicant
had
a
fair
chance,
but
that
should
now
end
in
fairness.
A
A
H
H
H
I
H
H
H
I
did
a
whole
lot
aside
from
my
background
that
that
aided
me
in
that
and
I
reviewed
and
listened
to
the
public
comment,
while
at
the
meeting
I
felt
that
I
felt
it
was
an
unusual
circumstance
for
me,
because
I
felt
what
the
public
wanted
was
completely
in
concert
with
what
the
applicant
was
putting
forth.
So
it
was
baffling
to
me
to
be
honest
with
you.
H
I
couldn't
understand
why
you
know
there
were
so
many
people
opposed
to
this
other
than
perhaps
they
were
receiving
the
wrong
information
by
someone
who
didn't
understand
it.
I
didn't
know
it
was
confusing,
but
there
was
extensive
discussion
and
consideration
and
time
put
forth,
not
just
by
myself
but
by
other
Commissioners
as
well.
I
J
This
sanction
of
this,
because
it
doesn't
reflect
what
Cave
Creek
is
I've.
Seen
this
development
and
I
the
the
one
on
Schoolhouse
Road
is
just
awful.
It's
just
awful
and
I,
don't
know
what
this
would
be,
but
it's
a
beautiful
piece
of
property
and
then
to
develop
with
housing
and
trails
and
that
it
just
doesn't
make
any
sense.
So
I
support
the
155
people
that
voted
against
this.
So
I
think
that
the
council
here
really
needs
to
think
about
that.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
D
I
D
A
I,
don't
know
is
what
was
decided
at
that
meeting
was
what
the
people
of
Cave
Creek
really
wanted,
because
the
job
was
handed
over
to
ADOT
and
ADOT
does
did
what
ADOT
does
in
this
case
that
155
people
assigned
a
petition
against
it?
That's
5
000
people
who
didn't
that
that's
a
lot
of
people
who
did
not
jump
on
the
bandwagon
against
the
hidden
Canyons
one
one.
Other
quick
thing
is
I:
go
down,
Cave
Creek
Road,
going
into
town,
which
I
do
quite
often
I
look
over
to
the
right.
A
This
is
going
north
and
what
do
I
see?
I,
see
residences,
going
up
the
side
of
the
mountain
to
a
certain
point
and
I
say
to
myself
what
we're
talking
about
with
hidden
Canyon
is
essentially
the
same
thing
over
only
even
more
hidden.
So
it's
not
that
big,
a
difference.
It's
something
that
fits
in
the
Cave
Creek.
A
It
also
fits
into
the
general
plan.
The
general
plan
is
not
an
iron-clad
legal
document
decision
can't
do
this.
You
must
do
that.
It
is
a
document
that
allows
for
interpretation
understanding
of
what
the
town
really
needs
and
there's
one
other
thing,
and
that
is
anybody
who
reads
has
read.
The
zoning
ordinances
probably
has
seen
the
little
statement
in
in
there.
A
That
says
the
council
May
waive
these
requirements
and
then
it
essentially
goes
on
to
say
if
they
deem
it
to
be
in
the
best
interest
of
the
town
now
I
believe
that's
what
the
council
did
the
last
time
around
when
the
decision
made.
All
this
is
is
just
a
continuation
allowing
the
developer
another
six
months
to
try
to
get
their
act
in
order
and
to
me,
but
we'll
move
forward,
and
it
doesn't
change
anything.
C
A
C
Had
the
opportunity
to
recently
to
speak
to
a
couple
of
citizens
who
had
the
foresight
to
contact
me
and
that's
a
really
good
way
to
handle
it
that
the
gentleman
spoke
tonight.
I
respect
your
opinion.
If
we
had
the
chance
to
sit
down
and
have
a
talk
about
this,
then
I'd
have
a
better
idea
of
what
you
want.
You'd
have
a
better
idea
of
what
I
know,
but
of
those
people
that
signed
the
petition.
C
They
have
done
so
much
better
if
they
had
contacted
us
and
gotten
into
a
discussion
with
us
before
the
meeting,
some
of
them
frankly,
I
think
signed
that
petition
thinking.
We
didn't
have
to
develop
that
piece
of
property.
Well,
as
I've
said,
as
Luke
said
yeah
we
could
buy
it
for
whether
it
be
3
million
or
15
million
dollars,
that's
an
option,
but
that's
something
that
we
need
to
discuss
so
that
you
have
the
you
know
what
we
know
know.
We
know
what
you
know
and
we
can
do
that
so
much
better.
C
If
people
in
the
community
contact
us
peop
people
have
said
to
me,
oh
people
must
call
you
up
all
the
time
Tom
and
bother
you
hell.
No
I
don't
have
enough
people
that
contact
me,
but
those
that
do
we
can
engage
in
a
conversation
and
come
to
agreement
and
that's
what
I'm
finding
with
the
individuals
who
are
opposed
to
this,
who,
with
whom
I
have
talked
I,
get
a
better
idea
of
what
they
want
and
they
understand
the
situation
much
better.
So
I'm
recommending
that
if
you
have
opposition
anyone
to
what
we're
doing.
C
I
I
I
I
G
D
A
C
L
L
This
is
one
parcel
totaling
approximately
2.5
acres.
The
existing
parcel
is
Zone
Dr
89.
The
applicant
is
requesting
a
zone
change
to
commercial
buffer,
which
is
in
line
with
the
Carefree
Highway
specific
area
plan
that
was
adopted
by
resolution.
Some
years
ago,
Stephen
Perales
planner
for
the
town
presented
the
first
reading
to
the
Town
Council
gave
first
reading
by
unanimous
vote.
7-0
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Council
may
have.