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From YouTube: 17 October 2022 Regular Cave Creek Town Council meeting
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Consent Agenda: 05:40
Item 1: 07:51 (Transfer of Grant Funds to Water Fund)
Item 2: 10:44 (AT&T Lease Renewal)
Item 3: 12:43 (Rare Earth Gallery Site Plan Review SPR-22-01)
Item 4: 39:12 (Water, Wastewater, & Capacity Fees presentation)
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Here
mostly
all
present
accounted
for.
Therefore
we
will
go
to
an
executive
session
will
be
held
for
purpose
of
council
discussion.
Consultation,
Direction
two
and
legal
advice
from
the
town
attorney
pursue
to
Arizona
by
Statute
38-431.03
rinse,
a
prince
3
and
Prince
Four
regarding
the
water
and
wastewater
rate
and
capacity
fee
study
for
the
Cave
Creek
Water
Desert
Hills
water
in
Cave,
Creek
Wastewater
systems.
Do
we
have
a
motion
to
move
into
e-session.
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Foreign
members
of
council
I
just
want
to
update
you
on
the
upcoming
green
waste
collection
days.
As
you
are
aware,
the
county
no
longer
collects
on
a
daily
basis
and
they
limit
it
to
certain
days
of
the
year
and
in
October
of
22.
We
have
October
19th
the
2021-22
and
October
26
27
28
29
are
the
green
waste
collection
dates
that
are
coming
up.
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We're
gonna
we're
gonna,
make
changes
to
the
actual
tax,
so
they
got
to
come
back.
We'll
move
on
to
General
agenda
item
number
one
which
is
Council
discussion,
possible
approval,
transfer,
one
million
nine
hundred
forty
nine
thousand
seven
hundred
and
seven
six
dollars
and
four
cents
state
and
local
fiscal
recovery
funds
prints
slfrf
from
the
grant
fund.
20
revenue
account.
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Evening,
mayor
and
council
members
last
year
in
fiscal
year,
2022
and
this
year
in
fiscal
year,
2023
the
town
received
two
equal
payments
of
state
and
local
fiscal
recovery
funds,
they're
also
known
as
arpa.
These
funds
total
one
million
nine
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
and
were
booked
to
Grant
fund
20
Revenue.
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These
Grant
funds
may
be
used
for
a
newly
allowed
category
for
water
and
sewer
projects.
Staff
has
determined
the
best
use
for
the
funds.
Is
the
Phoenix
interconnect
project
the
Auditors
recommended
that
the
funds
be
transferred
from
the
grant
fund
to
The
Cave
Creek
Water
fund,
where
they
are
budgeted
for
the
Phoenix
interconnect
project
staff
request
Council
to
approve
the
transfer
of
one
million
nine
hundred
and
forty
nine
thousand
seven
hundred
and
seventy
six
dollars
and
four
cents.
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Bunch
yes,
motion
Kerry
6-0
thanks
Hal.
Thank
you.
Genital
number,
three
Council
discussion
of
possible
approval
of
town
case
spr-22-01,
Rare,
Earth,
Gallery,
2,
site
plan
review
for
the
development
of
a
retail
sales
established
can
be
located
east
of
Cape,
Creek,
Road
and
North
of
Surrey
Road.
Subject:
conditions
of
approval
placed
on
the
agenda
by
the
planning
director
Mr
countsman.
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He
will
be
back
yes,
hopefully
soon.
The
location
of
this
project
is
south
of
the
southeast
corner
of
East
Blue,
Ridge
Drive
and
North
Cape
Creek
Road.
If
you
think
about
it,
it's
just
south
of
where
the
t-box
site
plan
approval
was
was
granted.
The
zoning
is
Town
Court
commercial.
The
project
description,
the
applicant
is
proposing
a
commercial
retail
building
on
0.9
Acres,
with
off
street
parking
in
conjunction
with
the
commercial
use
on
0.35
acres
and
Associated
Landscaping.
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This
is
listed
as
an
allowed
use.
Retail
sales
establishments
are
allowed
use
within
the
town
court,
commercial
Zone,
with
approval
of
the
site
plan
by
Town
Council
upon
recommendation
of
a
Planning
Commission.
The
Planning
Commission
considered
the
case
at
its
meeting
held
September
15th
and
voted
6-0
to
recommend
approval
with
conditions,
as
contained
in
exhibit
e,
which
begins
on
page
48
of
your
packet.
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The
case
summary
outlines
the
the
staff
report
details:
compliance
with
the
bulk
regulations,
for
example,
the
the
building
height,
is
less
than
25
feet
per
natural
rate
to
the
roofline.
The
building
setbacks
are
in
compliance
with
the
town.
Four
commercial
Zone
that
they
proposed
lot
coverage
applicant
is
limited
to
60
lot
coverage.
The
applicant
proposes
only
31
percent,
lock
coverage
Landscaping.
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The
applicant
is
required
to
provide
25
Landscaping
in
total
on
the
two
different
Parcels
they're
they're,
providing
37
on
the
0.9
acre
parcel
and
27
percent
Landscaping
on
the
on
the
three
tenths
of
the
nature
walk
foreign.
The
access
is
proposed
right
in
right
out
only
along
Cave
Creek
Road.
There
is
a
median
there.
The
applicant
isn't
proposing
any
median
Cuts
or
anything.
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The
applicant
also
intends
to
install
two
two-way
access
drives
and
the
the
last
two
items
that
are
detailed
in
the
staff
report
required
parking
based
on
the
size
of
the
structure
they're
required
to
have
39
parking
spaces.
The
applicant
is
proposing
39
parking
spaces
and
then,
as
far
as
screening,
the
applicant
is
required
to
provide
a
solid
method
of
screening
that
is
at
the
minimum
six
feet
in
height
where
they
are
adjacent
or
but
it's
a
residential
zones.
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The
applicant
is
proposing
a
six
foot
high
CMU
wall
along
the
east
property
line
to
meet
the
required
screening
requirement,
as
well
as
adequately
screening
trash
enclosures
and
the
HVAC
units
with
a
solid
metal
method
of
screening.
It
should
be
noted
that
there
was
discussion
at
the
Planning
Commission
about
headlights
and
and
glare
and
it's.
It
should
be
noted
that
this
is
a
nine
to
five
business
operation.
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They're
not
expected
to
have
my
10
clients
out
the
two
things
that
the
applicant
has
yet
to
contemplate,
but
is
aware
of
being
familiar
with
the
town's
requirements.
Is
outdoor
lighting
they've
stated
that
they
don't
have
any
plans
or
intentions
to
install
any
outdoor
parking
area.
Lighting
staff
will
review
for
compliance
the
electrical
plans
when
those
are
submitted
to
make
sure
that
their
outdoor
lighting
building
mounted
lighting
is
compliant,
and
the
last
item
is
signage.
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As
far
as
the
height
and
the
square
footage
that's
allowed
for
Monument
signs,
the
applicant
is
also
aware
that,
just
because
site
plan
approval
may
be
granted
this
evening,
they
they're
still
required
to
submit
a
building
permit
application
that
complies
with
all
the
applicable
building
and
fire
codes,
gradient
drainage
requirements
by
the
town,
engineer,
Water
and
Wastewater
requirements
by
the
town
utilities
director
in
order
to
obtain
a
permit.
So
that's
all
staff
has
to
report
on
this
case.
Thank
you
question.
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Kaufman
I
had
would
have
had
a
lot
more
questions,
but
you
did
a
fine
job
in
explaining
everything
at
the
Tee
Box
presentation.
So
I
know
about
the
alleyway
the
increase
right
away,
the
neighborhood
Etc
in
the
history
there.
So
just
a
couple
of
questions.
Maybe
three:
would
you
explain
to
me
since
you
know
this
is
not
an
architectural
set
of
plans?
It's
a
it's
a
psych
plan,
but
my
my
curiosity
has
the
best
of
me
because
it
has
to
it'd
be
pertaining
to
the
parking
regulation.
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Okay
with
that
being
said,
so
you
have
39
spots
that
are
required.
39
have
been
presented
and
there's
a
different
calculation,
as
I
saw
here
for
the
second
floor
requirements
versus
the
first
floor
requirements.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
been
adhered
to
in
39
is
the
right
number
for
the
first
floor,
vis-a-vis
the
second
floor
requirements,
which
I
think
one
of
them
has
a
higher
requirement.
L
That
is
correct,
so
office
actually
office.
Retail
is
parked
at
the
same
one
space
for
250
square
feet
of
gross
floor
area,
I.
Believe,
though,
what
is
a
little
difficult
to
to
read
as
they
they
provide
the
parking
based
on
the
occupancy,
which
is
a
building
code
term,
and
that's
how
the
the
building
and
fire
safety
official
looks
at
it
when
they're
reviewing
the
plans,
so
he's
he's.
L
Essentially
what
the
architect
has
done
in
this
case
is
just
cut
that
step
out
and
already
put
it
on
the
plan,
so
it
makes
it
a
little
bit
confusing,
but
39
spaces.
It's
got
a
if,
if
the
second
floor
within
the
building
changes,
that's
something
that
we'll
look
at
during
the
building
permit
review.
If
they
wanted
to
do
a
little
coffee
shop,
that
would
obviously
increase
the
amount
of
parking
required
for
that.
So
those
are
all
things
that
we
verify
at
the
time
of
the
building.
Permit
application.
Okay,.
H
So
when
I
see
this
note
with
the
parking
requirements,
the
one
spot
for
250
square
feet,
I
assume
that's
to
be
the
retail
area
or
the
office
area
on
the
second
floor
and
then
the
other,
where
you
have
the
one
spot
for
500
I,
believe
that's
merchandise,
for
sale
and
or
Storage
storage,
correct,
okay,
so
you've
calculated.
All
of
that
and
it
subject
to
any
changes.
This
is
the
correct
number
that
is
correct,
okay
and
then
there's
a
loading,
Bay
and
I
believe
that's.
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Has
for
his
Wares,
sometimes
in
our
right
away,
although
he's
been
good
on
that
lately,
my
question
is:
is
he
gonna?
Is
he
proposing
any
outside
displays
or
storage
of
his
rocks
and
and
geodes
and
whatnot,
and
will
the
store
be
all
retail
or
just
a
small
portion
of
it
to
where
he'll
be
able
to
store
everything
inside
not
outside,
as
he
does
in
the
store
he
has
in
town?
Or
do
you
know.
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H
Okay,
all
righty
councilman
you're,
referring
to
the
alleyway
and
and
and
the
distance
to
those
houses,
yeah
site
inspection,
would
more
than
likely
prove
out
that
almost
all
of
those
homes
affected
by
this
have
at
least
a
six
foot
block
well
along
their
backyard.
So
they
wouldn't
see
a
tree
anyway,
unless
it
was
well
grown.
Foreign.
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Based
on
the
Amendments
of
the
town
code
that
was
done
earlier
this
year,
if
an
applicant
requires,
is
it
it's
based
on
water
meter
and
the
volumetric
analysis
of
their
demand?
So
if
they,
if
they
project
you
exceed
their
water
usage,
then
they
would
be
required
to
bring
additional
Water
Resources
to
the
town.
Okay,.
L
Letter
is
a
non-binding.
It
says
we
have
the
infrastructure
in
place.
You
would
have
to
do
XYZ
to
improve
upon
that
infrastructure
to
provide
service
for
your
development,
however,
tell
us
what
your
development
is
exactly
how
many
sinks
toilets
Etc
you
have
and
what
your
what
your
water
uses
is
that
correct
Sean
in
a
nutshell,.
K
A
L
Of
them
yeah
it's
it's
very
few
and
far
between
I
mean
I.
Could
I
I
reported
this
to
the
Planning
Commission,
because
I
was
asked
about
it.
It
was
in
the
discussion
section,
so
we,
when
we
give
you
minutes
they're
only
the
minutes
relative
to
the
case.
So
we
don't.
We
don't
give
you
the
whole
Planning
Commission
minutes.
Look
so
I'm,
sorry
about
that.
But
I
can
just
quickly
go
through
them.
There's
17,
subtle
conditions.
Number
one
was
generated
by
staff
a
long
time
ago.
L
Basically
says
what
you
see
is
what
you
get
except
is
maybe
Modified
by
these
conditions.
Two
is
a
restatement
of
what
is
in
the
zoning
ordinance
three
was
generated
by
staff
and
was
borne
out
cases
like
Estates
at
chimney
where
their
site
was
compliant,
they
got
approved,
but
they
could
not
get
all
other
plans
compliant
like
they're
grading
drainage
was
a
mess,
so
it's
basically
just
a
disclaimer
just
because
you
made
it
this
far
doesn't
mean
you
can
go
out
and
start
building
tomorrow.
L
Numbers
four
five,
six
and
seven
are
restated
from
the
technical
design
guidelines.
Number
eight
is
a
restatement
from
the
town
code.
Number
nine
is
from
Arizona
revised
statutes.
Number
10
was
developed
by
the
township
facilities.
Director
11
is
a
restatement
from
technical
design.
Guideline
number
two
gradient
drainage
12
is
restated
from
the
zoning
ordinance
13
staff
generated
and
it's
actually
something
that
we
apply
to
every
permit,
whether
it's
a
tool
shed
or
Walmart
number
14
staff
generated
to
kind
of
explain
how
to
be
compliant
with
number
13.
L
15
was
generated
by
the
building.
Fire
official
16
was
modified
by
the
utilities
director
based
upon
the
recent
changes
to
the
town
code,
which
we
discussed
and
then
essentially
number
17
is
a
development
agreement
waiver
so
that
what
that
basically
says
is
if
an
applicant
doesn't
feel
they
are
responsible
to
make
certain
offside
improvements.
They
can
petition
the
town
through
the
town
manager,
utilities,
director
or
town
engineer,
to
get
certain
fees
waived
and
those
17
conditions
are
pretty
tried
and
true.
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Mr
Mayor
councilman
Dusty,
Rhodes,
41403,
North,
Old,
Stage,
Road,
Cave
Creek
got
a
couple
questions,
building
a
two-story
building,
it's
got
lights
or
it's
got
windows
on
the
second
floor,
how's
the
light
pollution
going
to
affect
the
people
who
live
behind
an
Alleyway.
What
is
it
eight
feet
wide
that
light
pollution
is
going
to
bleed
over
because
it's
going
to
affect
any
of
those
houses.
If
it
is
what's
his
plan
to
ameliorate
the
second
piece
of
it
is,
is
he
going
to
be
dark
skies
compliant
when
he
finally
does
the
plan
here?
M
If
you
go
downtown
right
now,
I
can
guarantee
you
that
current
Gallery
is
lit
up
like
a
Christmas
tree,
so
I'd
just
like
to
kind
of
know
we're
protecting
the
people
who
live
back
there,
because
that
is
kind
of
an
annoyance
for
them
and
I
I
know
it's
probably
not
on
the
site
plan.
But
how
do
we
make
sure
that's
done?
Thank
you.
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Dad
so
the
the
alley
is,
is
24
feet
wide.
Yes,
the
building
is
two-story
but,
as
stated
earlier,
I
don't
anticipate
any
any
nighttime
use
for
that
building.
So
I
don't
even
think
there's
a
an
east
facing
window
on
the
second.
On
the
second
floor
where
the
office
is
proposed
and
then
what
was
there
another?
L
E
L
Put
our
zoning
ordinance
up
against
anything.
That's
come
out
of
the
dark
sky
people
in
the
last
few
years
as
being
more
restrictive
than
what
they
require.
We
don't
allow
Dusk
to
Dawn
Lighting.
All
lighting
has
to
be
fully
shielded
and
cast
downward
Council
just
adopted
amended.
The
zoning
ordinance
I
believe
last
year,
I'm
trying
to
think
I've
been
a
few
years
ago,
reducing
the
correlated
color
temperature
for
all
outdoor
lighting.
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Opposed
eyes
clearly
have
it.
Thank
you.
Council
gen
item
number,
four
presentation
by
world
end
financial
services
and
Walker
Consulting
LLC
and
discussion
on
the
updates
to
the
draft
Water
and
Wastewater
rate
and
capacity
fee
study
for
the
Cave
Creek
Water,
Desert,
Hills
water
and
Cave
Creek
Wastewater
systems,
Town
manager,
mayor.
G
Members
of
council,
unfortunately,
Kevin
Burnett,
is
unable
to
be
here
this
evening
with
us.
He
lost
his
father
just
a
few
days
ago.
Unexpectedly,
so
the
presentation
is
to
go
over
the
changes
that
we've
made,
based
on
the
discussion,
the
last
time
that
we
reviewed
the
document
for
Suites
and
capacity
views,
and
so
Sean
is
going
to
take
us
through
this.
N
So
as
as
Carrie
indicated
last
time,
we
checked
in
with
Council
on
the
the
utility
rates
and
capacity
study
was
actually
September
19th.
When
we
asked
Council
to
adopt
a
motion
of
intent
to
raise
the
rates
and
and
adopt
new
capacity
fees,
that's
set
a
60-day
time
clock
to
get
the
public
hearing
set
it's
an
actual
date
for
the
hearing,
and
then
it
also
required
us
to
do
a
to
post
a
final
report
30
days
prior
to
that
public
hearing.
N
So
at
that
meeting
date
we
heard
some
suggestions
and
questions
from
Council
for
some
changes.
Some
final
modifications
to
make
on
the
rate
study.
So
that's
what
I
was
planned
to
go
through
tonight,
I'm
actually
going
to
take
a
little
bit
more
time
to
go
through
some
of
the
again
for
Education
actually
for
whoever's,
listening
tonight,
also
and
juice
and
Outreach,
and
why
we're
doing
this?
N
So
the
rates
we're
talking
about
apply
for
the
utility
rates
for
Cave,
Creek,
Water
and
Cave
Creek
Wastewater
system,
as
well
as
our
Desert
Hills
Water
System.
They
were
last
updated
in
2020
before
that
was
actually
March
of
2019..
We
also
as
part
of
this
report,
we're
looking
to
update
the
capacity
fees
which
were
last
updated
by
the
town
in
2014.
N
We
did
want
to
make
sure
that
the
revenues
generated
would
provide
for
operation
ongoing
operating
and
capital
costs.
What
we
mean
by
that
is
we
don't?
We
do
know
that
costs
are
increasing,
just
the
base
cost
of
our
cap.
Water
is
going
up
because
of
the
shortage
because
there's
less
water
available,
but
some
of
the
fixed
costs
the
cap
actually
has
central.
Arizona
project
means
that
our
costs
are
are
going
up.
N
We
have
utility
rate
increases
ourselves
with
APS
to
pay
and
we
have
chemical
costs
Etc,
so
the
cost
of
just
operating
the
system
just
goes
up
as
we
sit
still
and
then
also
we
have
our
Capital
Improvement
projects
that
we
actually
plan
to
improve
the
system.
Some
of
those
projects
are
to
maintain
the
existing
infrastructure
that
we
have
and
make
sure
it's
properly
operated
and
maintained,
and
some
of
the
Capital
Improvements
are
actually
things
that
we
can
are
being
built
to
increase
the
capacity.
N
We
have
to
maintain
that
with
the
largest
project
we
have
upcoming
is,
is
the
new
city
of
Phoenix
interconnect.
We
have
to
make
sure
that
we
can
meet
the
debt
service
coverage
ratio,
so
we
can
go
after
our
funding
that
we've
requested
for
that
project.
We
want
to
have
a
revenue
sufficient
to
our
operation
and
maintenance
right
now,
especially
on
the
Wastewater
side.
That's
why,
when
I
get
to
the
tables
you'll
see
the
Wastewater
side
is
projected
to
have
the
largest
increase.
N
We
do
not
currently
operate
as
a
true
Enterprise
fund,
we're
actually
offsetting
the
cost.
So
we
want
to
make
that
move
towards
making
these
true
Enterprise
funds
on
Desert,
Hills,
Water,
Cape
water,
we're
very
close
waste
on
the
Wastewater
side.
We're
not
so
that's
why
you'll
see
the
largest
increase
in
the
Wastewater
side
and
a
long-term
goal
that
we've
talked
about
with
council
is
actually
having
revenues
equal
to
three
months
of
operating
expenses.
So,
with
this
race
that
we're
proposing
and
what's
being
proposed
in,
the
study
is
actually
five
years
worth
of
rate
increases.
N
That
would
work
us
towards
it.
So
that's
something
that
more
towards
the
end
of
The
Five-Year
cycle.
If
adopted
the
current
rates
as
they
sit
right
now,
that
would
get
us
towards
having
that
goal
and
that
helps
us
in
case
of
things
like
people
can't
pay
their
water
bills
Etc,
we
still
need
to
pay
our
operational
expenses.
E
N
Carefree
accounts
wasn't
finalized.
That
now
is
so.
This
study
captures
that
that
project
is
ongoing.
We
have
there's
probably
a
hundred
accounts
that
are
transferred
over
and
it's
just
a
foreshadowing.
In
two
weeks
we're
gonna
have
to
have
a
shutdown
of
our
Galloway
booster
station,
which
actually
is
what
feeds
the
eastern
part
of
our
system
on
Cave
Creek
Road.
N
N
We
did
want
to
address
the
tie
in
water
with
Desert
Hills.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
Desert
Hills
is
paying
its
Fair
proportional
share,
largely
because
the
Desert
Hills
customers,
some
people,
may
not
be
aware.
Since
the
towns
bought
the
desert
Hill
system
we've
actually
had
to
supplement
their
water
supplies
started
off.
N
Our
customers
is
coming
from
the
Cave
Creek
Water
System,
so
we
will
make
sure
that
they're,
aware
of
that
and
and
that
they're
paying
the
fair
share
of
the
capital
cost
that
we
need
to
do
to
make
sure
that
the
systems
is
upgraded
to
make
sure
that
we
can
continue
to
meet
that
ongoing
Supply.
It's
one
of
the
reasons
we
adopted.
N
The
three
Wells
is
declining,
so
we
have
to
make
sure
that
we
can
make
sure
the
system
can
the
Cave
Creek
system
can
provide
water
for
them
and
yeah
leading
that
leads
into
the
Wheeling
rate
to
Desert,
Hills
and
I
know.
You've
heard
this,
but
it's
been
over
a
month.
I
think
it's
good
to
bring
this
in.
Is
that
the
Desert
Hills
we
were
able
to
secure
just
last
year,
a
new
cap
non-indian
agricultural
water
supply
for
them?
N
The
original
request
was
done
over
almost
10
years
ago
by
the
town,
and
the
request
was
to
get
about
1300
acre
feet,
which
would
have
more
than
made
up
for
their
supplies.
Currently
were
last
year
we
said
770
acre
feet
to
Desert
Hills
or
their
total
demand
was
770
acre
feet.
But
after
the
10-year
process
we
ended
up
with
386
acre
feet.
Which
is
less
than
what
we
typically
send
to
them
and
it's
also
a
lesser
priority
on
the
on
the
central
Arizona
project.
N
So
as
we
are
in
tiered
shortages
right
now,
next
year,
we've
already
been
told
by
cap
that
we
can
only
get
75
percent
of
that
water.
So
we
have
to
factor
that
in,
but
the
the
thought
process
we've
had
moving
forward
is
is
the
Wheeling
rate
is
that
if
Desert
Hills
were
having
those
customers
pay
for
the
the
back
Capital
costs
and
the
ongoing
capital
and
operating
costs
of
the
the
non-aiding
agricultural
water,
but
Cave
Creek
water
system
has
to
pay
to
treat
and
deliver
that
water
and
deliver
that
to
them.
N
B
N
So
we've
come
back
to
council
a
couple
times
with
this.
Earlier
this
calendar
year.
We
actually
talked
about
the
project
assumptions
that
was
in
a
meeting
in
January,
24th
and
August
21st.
We
actually
had
a
work
session
to
talk
about
the
draft
rates
and
capacity
fees,
and
then
we
actually
came
back
in
September
12th.
N
So
one
thing
that
we
had
heard
is
through
the
iterations.
Is
we
looked
at
these
the
base
fees
that
were
being
charged
and
we're
also
looking
at
the
volumetric
fees
and
the
one
thing
the
last
iteration
that
Council
asked
us
to
look
at
was
to
make
sure
that
we
didn't
look
at
the
the
first
based
on
the
revenue
projections
and
we
in
some
cases
some
users
would
experience
a
slight
decline
for
the
first
one
to
two
years
of
the
study
and
then
to
then
see
an
increase
in
the
outer
years.
N
Council
assets,
partly
which
is
sort
of
Education
sort
of
goes
counter
to
the
the
conservation
effort
that
we're
trying
to
promote
it's
just
to
keep
rates
the
same
right
now
and
not
have
anybody
lose?
What
that
had?
The
effect
of
doing
is
generating
a
little
more
Revenue
at
the
front.
End
of
the
program
which,
when
you
look
out
of
the
five
years,
then
said
that
we
could,
we
didn't
need
as
much
rate
increases.
N
It
really
only
impacted
the
Cave
Creek
Water
accounts
when
we
did
the
calculations,
as
highlighted
by
this
table
here,
which
is
showing
the
projected
rate
increases,
and
this
is
overall
sort
of
average
user
account
between
September.
When
we
did
the
adoptions
and
tonight
on
Cave
Creek
Water,
you
can
see
that
initially
we're
looking
for
next
fiscal
year,
starting
January
1st
we'd,
have
we're
requesting
11
increase
by
by
looking
at
balancing
the
first
couple
years
that
was
able
to
drop
down
to
eight
percent,
and
you
can
see
the
next
two
years.
N
So,
while
the
debt
services
on
some
of
the
Capital
Improvements
are
being
paid
by
other
means,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
operation
and
maintenance
is
actually
paid
for
and
covered
by,
the
Enterprise
fund
itself.
So
that's
requiring
us
to
do
this.
This
leap
up
in
cost
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
our
customers
are
aware
of
that
and
justification
behind
it.
Next
slide.
Brian,
so
I'll
quickly
go
through
some
of
the
base
rate
changes
and
again
you'll
see
they're
summarized
when
we
tried
to
balance
out
the
base
rates.
N
As
you
can
see,
when
we
balance
those
out
a
little
bit,
you
can
see
some
of
the
rates
for
inch
and
a
half
and
and
two
inch
rates
actually
decreased
from
the
last
projections
of
September
and
you'll
see
in
the
future.
It
actually
balances
out
with
the
the
volumetric
rates,
but
no
case
did
they
decrease
Beyond.
N
So
when
we
talk
volumetric
rates,
we
actually
have
different
rate
categories.
We
do
have
single
family,
we
requested
and
Council
houses,
the
multi-family
and
single
family.
We
treat
the
same.
We
break
them
out
from
accounting
standpoint.
They
are
different
land
use
and
allows
us
to
look
at
things
and
there's
some
different
reporting
requirements
with
things
like
the
Arizona
Department
of
Water
Resources.
So
it's
good
for
us
to
have
that,
but
again
Cave,
Creek
single
family.
You
can
see
in
the
one
column
entitled
September.
N
You
can
see
that
last
time
around,
we
were
proposing
a
slight
decrease
in
some
of
the
upper
tiers
or
actually
all
the
tiers,
the
lower
tiers.
And
then,
with
the
new
projections
and
the
new
report
you'll
see
the
October
is
we're
keeping
them
the
same
as
the
existing
rates,
which
brings
in
a
little
bit
more
Revenue
up
front
in
the
program
just
to
quickly
highlight
the
fact
that
we
do
have
five
or
eight
tiers,
and
that's
that's
based
on
the
volumetric
use
for
each
user
that
month.
N
So
again,
you
pay
a
base
rate
to
have
that
meter
and
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
system
that
can
maintain
and
provide
you
water.
And
then
you
pay
us
for
the
volume
the
volume
of
water
that
you
consume,
which
is
the
cost
of
US
delivering
and
treating
that
gallon
or
or
more
water
to
you.
We
bill
in
a
thousand
gallon
increments.
N
So
when
you
look
at
this,
the
first
10
000
gallons,
you
get
you
pay
three
dollars
and
nine
cents
per
thousand
Gallery
Insurance
up
to
10
000,
and
it
gets
more
expensive
above
that.
So
if
you're,
a
user
above
50,
000
gallons
you're,
not
paying
15.66
per
thousand
gallons
on
your
total
bill,
you
actually
you
build
up
based
on
the
tiers
next
slide
Ryan.
N
This
is
the
the
commercial
accounts
again
similar
to
residential
Desert.
Hills
didn't
change,
but
commercial
did
we
balance
those
out
again.
There
was
a
couple
of
categories
where
it
looked
like.
The
first
projections
based
on
the
revenue
needs,
as
I
saw
that
for
the
first
year
we
could
have
a
little
bit
of
a
decrease
in
volume,
but
we
kept
it
level.
Desert,
Hills
commercial
did
not
change,
and
then
we
have
Cave
Creek.
We
actually
have
another
category,
the
common
areas
and
irrigation.
N
There's
no
changes
there
next
slide
Brian,
and
then
we
have
the
last
one.
Is
the
commercial
pools
and
then
again
were
no
changes
from
the
last
iteration
that
we
proposed
to
council
next
slide.
Brian
one
thing:
that's
new
and
didn't
make
it
in
time
to
the
report,
because
we've
been
gathering
information
is
a
a
new
proposed
Desert
Hills
stamp
break,
so
the
town
actually
operates.
N
Two
stand
pipes,
the
one
in
Cave
Creek
actually
has
is
under
contract,
specifically
to
some
customers
in
Cave
Creek
on
the
west
side
that
are,
we
refer
to
as
the
West
Side,
domestic
Improvement,
water
improvement,
district,
West,
Side
to
wave
area
and
after
getting
some
direction
from
Council.
We
looked
at
that
and
we
thought
it
might
be
difficult
to
co-mingle
the
customer
base
and
the
only
reason
we'd
be
looking
at
doing.
N
That
is
because
the
equipment
at
the
desert,
Hill
standpipe,
is
actually
purchased
and
installed
prior
to
the
town
buying
the
system
at
the
end
of
2006..
So
it
is,
is
functionally
Obsolete
and
actually
recently
failed.
So
the
staff
have
been
working
to
keep
it
functioning
for
a
number
of
years.
Now
the
three
and
a
half
years
I've
been
with
the
town
even
before
that,
but
we're
at
the
time
that
we
have
to
make
the
investment
to
change
that
equipment
out.
There's
a
small
number
of
users.
N
There's
only
10
users
on
the
system,
so
we
didn't
think
it
was
fair
for
have
the
other
users
pay
for
the
cost
of
a
service
that
other
customers
are
getting
right.
Now,
we've
looked
at
and
we've
worked
with
the
vendor,
similar
vendors,
the
same
vendor
that
we
currently
have
at
our
water
Ranch
facility.
So
we
have
some
benefits
and
sharing
of
costs.
N
We
have
a
one-time
fee
that
we
pay
that
vendor
for
the
annual
maintenance
or
sort
of
the
service
for
the
system
and
by
adding
another
water
station,
doesn't
add
any
extra
cost
to
that
and
it
gives
the
benefit
of
us
having
our
cut
customer
service
staff
actually
be
able
to
see
the
usage
remotely
where
they
currently
can't
do
that
at
the
desert.
Hill
system
they
physically
before
the
system
failed,
had
to
go
down
and
pick
that
information
up.
N
N
We
expect
about
a
10-year
when
you
factor
in
a
10-year
lifespan
that
comes
down
to
an
additional
fee
of
13.33
per
month
overnight,
over
on
top
of
the
base
fee
and
when
those
users
have
been
being
charged,
the
current
monthly,
basically
based
on
a
residential
account,
one
inch
or
smaller
out
in
Desert
Hills,
which
was
55.70
that
is
being
projected
to
go
up
to
70.85
four
cents.
So
we're
asking
before
before
we
publish
a
report,
we
put
this
in
as
a
new
standpipe
rate
proposals.
N
N
So
our
next
steps,
again
in
the
19th
we
didn't
notice
to
intend
to
raise
rates
in
passages,
has
been
completed
by
the
20th.
So
the
end
of
this
week
we
have
to
publish
the
final
report
that
gets
30
days
prior
to
the
public
hearing
that's
required
by
Statute,
so
November
21st
is
when
we're
looking
to
have
the
council
meeting
to
one
is
to
adopt
the
rates.
The
rates
are
done
by
resolution,
so
there's
it's
one
action
adopts
the
rates
staff
is
proposing.
N
Our
will
be
proposing
that
we
come
back
and
actually
adopt
a
multiple
year
rate
increase
with
current
projections.
The
last
time
in
2020
we
just
stopped
at
the
one
year
when
actually
we
had
forecasts
for
more
additional
needs,
so
we're
requesting
that
we
actually
have
at
least
a
two,
if
not
the
entire
five
years
adopted
at
that
time,
and
then
the
thought
would
be
we'd
have
the
first
reading
of
the
capacity
fee
changes
the
capacity
fee
changes
actually
are
in
required
by
ordinance
or
in
town
code.
N
So
the
requires
an
ordinance
change
and
the
ordinance
change
requires
two
readings
following
that
schedule
on
the
fifth
we'd
come
back
and
have
the
second
hearing
for
the
capacity
fees
and
they
become
effective.
30
days
later,
our
thought
was
even
though
the
rates
should
be
adopted
in
the
end
of
November,
that
we'd
make
sure
make
them
all
effective,
January
4th.
N
That
means
that
customers
will
see
an
increase,
effective,
pretty
much
the
beginning
of
the
calendar
year
for
the
usage
at
the
beginning
calendar
year
to
hit
the
February
bills
is
initially
what
we
thought.
Obviously
there's
some
discussions
on
what
we're
going
to
do
with
capacity
fees
right
now,
but
that's
the
schedule
we
we're
proposing.
G
N
So
obviously
we
have
some
fairly
significant
rate
increases.
We've
had
several
public
hearings
here,
but
I
know.
Sometimes
it's
hard
to
reach
out
to
the
customer
base.
We've
been
trying
to
educate
and
talk
to
people.
Whenever
we
have
a
chance
to
say
you
know
the
rates
are
coming
and
to
watch
out
for
them,
so
we
actually
have
on
the
town's
website
we're
going
to
be
using
the
the
front
page,
which
has
news
and
announcements,
but
there
already
is
a
website
specific
to
utility.
N
And
it's
one
thing
to
be
working
on:
is
we've
been
anticipation
in
this
meeting
to
get
the
final
numbers
together
as
we
actually
be
building
a
rate
calculator?
So
that's
something
that
would
be
on
the
website
that
someone
could
go
in
and
they
could
they
could
plug
in
their
information
about
usage
and
all
that
and
they
can
actually
start
seeing
what
the
rate
impact
will
actually
be.
Specifically,
estimator
estimator
read.
N
Some
other
things
that
we
plan
to
do
is
notes
on
our
utility
bills,
but
those
who
people
who
actually
get
a
paper
bill
from
us,
you
know
there's
not
much
room
on
there,
but
that's
one
way.
We
like
talk
and
there
we
actually
have
a
number
of
our
customers
who
don't
get
paper
bills
from
us.
But
so
what
we're
like
to
do
is
actually
do
a
direct
mailer
to
all
our
users.
We
look
to
do
like
an
email
blast,
but
then
we
found
out
that
of
our
5000
accounts
that
we
have.
N
We
only
have
a
good
valid
email
accounts
for
about
three
thousand.
So
that's
why
we
thought
the
direct
mailer
is
probably
the
best
way
to
get
out
to
all
our
customers,
including
those
that
are
on
the
the
so
the
PSI
or
the
the
automatic
Billing
System.
So
they'll
get
a
mailer
separate
from
their
bill
and
if
they're
on
the
automatic
system,
they're
not
used
to
getting
something
from
us,
so
we're
hopeful
that
they'll
open
it
up
and
they'll
say:
oh
yeah,
there
are
some
rates.
N
So
if
we
can
elicit
some
feedback
and
have
some
conversation
with
our
with
our
customers,
we
look
to
actually
reach
out
to
our
highest
water
users.
At
this
point,
we've
collected
a
you
know
a
summary
and
it
changes
months
over
month,
but
we
have
some
consistent
users,
especially
in
the
highest
tier,
the
50,
000
and
greater,
and
our
goal
will
be
to
reach
out
to
those
customers
directly,
because
those
are
ones
that
are
going
to
be
directly
impacted.
N
An
example
would
be
in
Desert
Hills,
our
largest
water
use
or
Desert
Hills
is
actually
the
Deer
Valley
School
District
the
the
water
they
use
for
their
school.
They
actually
have
two
two
inch
meters,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
they're
aware
of
it,
because
we
know
this
rate
will
be
hitting
them
mid
budget
year
for
them
too.
N
So
they
need
to
factor
that
in
and
also
the
projections
for
next
year
and
then
another
November
7th
we'd
have
another
council
meeting
where
we
provide
input,
allow
for
public
input
at
that
meeting
and
also
I'll.
Let
Council
know
what
what
impact
in
input
we've
received
as
staff
before
the
adoption
date.
So
that's
what
we've
come
up
with
with
our
schedule
to
date
and
next
slide.
Ryan
I
can
answer
any
questions.
N
Tonight's
item
is
actually
no
action
item,
but
it's
just
for
Gathering
input
and
we
want
to
make
sure
before,
since
we
did
gather
input
at
the
last
meeting
when
we
did
the
notice
of
intent
to
raise
the
rates
capacity
fees.
We
we
heard
a
little
bit
more
feedback
from
Health.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
you're
aware
that
we
were
making
some
final
changes
before
the
publish
report
went
out.
K
N
We
thought
Steph,
we
looked
at
the
contract
at
the
Water
Ranch
that
the
the
way
the
contract's
structured
it
would
be
difficult.
It
was
actually
set
aside
the
town
paid
for
that,
the
one
at
the
Water
Ranch,
but
it's
actually
tied
back
to
the
when
the
West
Side
forms
they
actually
have
to
reimburse
the
town
for
that.
We
thought
it
might
be
hard
to
co-mingle
the
users
and
it
might
be
simpler,
just
to
actually
rebuild
the
system
out
there.
So
we're
proposing
that.
K
N
G
Could
I
just
go
back
to
to
councilmember
Morrison?
That
would
be
the
minimum
amount
of
money,
so
the
the
rates
should
be
reviewed
annually
each
year.
Looking
at
the
income
coming
in
and
what
our
expenses
are
and
and
as
you
get
to
year
three
and
year,
four
you're
looking
if
something
changed,
and
if
you
need
additional
Revenue,
you
have
to
go
back
and
do
a
study.
A
A
O
O
's,
not
specific,
whether
that
includes
the
non-revenue
water.
That's
we
bring
all
the
way
up
from
the
cap
and
we
end
up
using
it
in
the
treatment
processing
water
and
then
we
dump
it
into
the
sewer.
I,
don't
know
if
he
included
the
value
of
that
into
that
treatment
and
I'll.
Ask
that
question
of
the
mayor
to
Sean
Sean.
K
N
O
N
Yeah
so
the
the
we
have
two
different
treatment:
Tech
Technologies
at
the
plant,
the
Old
West
Tech
filters
require
back
flushes,
there's
10
to
12
hour
cycle
back
flushes
and
I.
Forget
the
other
one
they
do,
but
they
have
to
be
cleaned
out.
And
then
we
also
have
the
Paul
membrane
units
which
have
cleaning
cycles
that
they
go
through
now
by
possible.
N
O
This
is
really
comprehensive
and
what's
good
about
this,
is
we're
actually
able
to
have
values
to.
Let
us
know
how
we
do
compared
to
our
neighbors,
and
if
you
remember
back
in
our
Phoenix
agreement,
we
can
get
water
from
Phoenix
a
limited
amount
for
it's
about
280
per
thousand
two
dollars
and
eighty
cents
per
thousand
delivered.
N
To
our
yeah,
for
so
we
still
pay
for
the
cap.
Water
and
I
can't
remember
exactly
what
the
cost
is.
I
think
it's
280
sounds
right.
They
actually
just
gave
us
a
new
rate
because
for
the
IGA
they
can
adjust
over
two
years
and
they
just
gave
us
an
adjustment.
I
can't
remember
if
the
top
of
my
head,
it
sounds
close
to
it.
O
Though
so
my
math
and
I
haven't
run
this
by
anybody
else,
but
my
math
I'm
coming
up
with
us
being
able
to
treat
our
own
water
at
425
per
thousand.
So
when
we
look
at
our
water,
our
new
water
rates,
that
means
that
every
time
you
see
anything
less
than
425,
that's
everybody!
That's
getting
10,
000,
gallons
or
less
of
water
in
the
residential
rates
it's
being
paid
for
by
somebody
else
in
the
system.
O
O
A
A
I
I
think,
with
the
limited
supplies
that
are
coming
through
cap
and
of
the
Colorado
River
I,
think
we
tend
we.
We
really
need
to
do
more
to
price
our
water,
so
that
customers
who
are
using
more
water
are
in
fact
paying
more
and
as
I'm
looking
at
it.
The
idea
that
a
customer
who
was
using
50,
000
gallons
a
month
is
only
paying
the
same
rate
for
the
first
10
000
gallons,
as
the
person
who
uses
very
little
water
concerns
me,
foreign.