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From YouTube: 09 Nov 2022 Regular Cave Creek Town Council meeting
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A
Welcome
to
the
what
was
normally
the
regular
Town
council
meeting
town
of
Cave
Creek
Arizona,
which
would
have
been
on
Monday
November
7
2022,
but
we
had
a
short
meeting
and
moved
it
to
the
night,
because
there
were
so
many
polling
boxes
and
all
that
equipment
in
here
yesterday
that
most
people
wouldn't
have
got.
Let
you
start
voting
and
probably
until
noon
by
the
time
they
put
it
all
back
together.
So
we
we
did
that
to.
E
A
A
She
had
served
at
least
one
term
and
maybe
one
in
a
one
and
a
half
years
after
after
a
recall
years
ago,
she
had
served
on
the
school
board
for
my
God
as
long
as
as
my
kids
went
to
the
went
to
Cave
Creek
schools
and
it's
a
sad,
sad,
sad
time
to
have
have
someone
who's,
who's,
who's
dedicated
so
much
of
their
life
to
to
public
service
to
to
lose
those
folks.
But
we
just
some
people
might
not
have
known
my
no
no
decision
she
was.
A
D
F
B
G
And
the
crew
from
Cave
Creek
Fire
Station
Number
One
Regional
station
147,
but
they
obviously
got
a
call
and
thank
them
for
coming
down
with
the
brush
truck.
That
was
with
the
newly
affixed
Cave
Creek
Fire
lettering
and
the
new
logo
on
the
vehicle.
So
anyway,
I've
actually
got
quite
a
bit
to
cover
so
I'll
try
to
make
it
quick.
The
there
will
be
traffic
restrictions,
this
Saturday
November,
12th,
there's
a
special
event,
a
bicycle
race
and
due
to
that
event,
Cave
Creek
Road
will
have
some
traffic
restrictions.
G
G
All
of
this
information
can
be
found
on
the
Cave
Creek
website
cave
creekaz.gov,
November
14th,
there's
a
water
shutdown
impacting
the
Eastern
edge
of
the
water
system,
scheduled
to
start
10,
P.M,
Monday,
November,
14th
and
scheduled
to
end
before
5
a.m.
Tuesday
November
15th
and
the
shutdown
may
impact
the
Eastern
edge
of
the
Cave
Creek
Water
System.
G
The
shutdown
is
necessary
for
carefree
water
to
complete
work
at
two
disconnect
sites
and
those
sites
are
very
close
to
the
Galloway
booster
station,
and
so
accordingly,
the
area
supplied
by
Galloway
booster
may
be
or
will
be
impacted.
There's
a
webs
on
the
website.
There's
a
map
of
the
affected
area
later
tonight.
G
It's
a
busy
time
of
year.
For
events
in
the
community,
this
Saturday
evenings
beginning
at
6
30
as
the
dark
sky,
viewing
event
out
at
Supercross
Recreation
Area
parking
lot.
I
mentioned
the
bicycle
race
that
is
on
November
12th
they
meet
in
the
morning
and
then
I
think
the
race
starts
around
9
or
9
30..
There's
the
Queen
Creek
Junior
Rodeo
Association
hopes
a
rodeo
at
the
rodeo
grounds,
Saturday
and
Sunday
November
12th
and
13th
from
8
A.M
to
6
p.m.
G
Saturday
November
19th
from
10
to
2
at
the
Jewel
of
the
creek
and
hidden
in
the
Hills,
is
coming
up.
It's
a
26th
year
of
the
hidden
in
the
Hill
studio
tour.
It's
free
self-guided,
Studio
Tour,
that
offers
seasoned
collectors
and
art
enthusiasts
a
rare
chance
to
observe
artists
at
work
in
their
private
Studios
during
The
Six,
Day
Tour.
G
So
those
days
are
the
Friday
before
Thanksgiving
Friday
sat
or
the
weekend
before:
Thanksgiving
Friday,
Saturday,
Sunday,
November,
18
1920,
and
that
is
from
10
a.m,
to
5
p.m
and
again
the
weekend
after
Thanksgiving
November,
25,
26
27th.
So
we're
gearing
up
for
the
busy
season
in
the
town
core
and
around
us.
So
that's
all
I
had
for
this
evening.
A
A
H
A
Second,
all
in
favor
signify
saying
aye
aye
opposed
I.
Suppose
you
have
it.
General
agenda
item
number
one
which
is
Council
discussion:
approval
of
resolution,
R
2022-17,
the
resolution
of
the
mayor
and
Town
Council
to
enter
into
a
joint
purchase,
sale
agreement
between
Maricopa
County
Town
of
Cave
Creek
and
Desert
Foothills
Land
Trust,
as
contained
within
the
exhibit
providing
for
half
the
negotiated
total
amount
necessary
to
purchase
and
preserve
approximately
30.6
acres
for
an
amount
of
362
500
placed
on
the
agenda
by
the
planning
director,
Mr
councilman.
I
Mayor
members
of
council
back
in
2019,
a
group
kind
of
formed
to
preserve
Harmony
Hollow
and
out
of
that,
caused
the
town
and
Maricopa
County,
with
the
help
of
the
FLT
to
solicit
Appraisal
Services
for
Parcels
in
and
around
spur
cross,
Branch
Conservation,
Area,
Harmony,
Hollow
being
one
of
them.
The
parcels
that
are
on
the
agenda
tonight
being
a
part
of
that
as
well.
I
Which
is
four
acres,
totaling
35.5
Acres
of
if
Brian
can
pull
up
the
the
map
that
virgin
item
one
Council
also
has
that
it
identifies
the
spur
Cross,
Ranch
Conservation
Area
parking
lot.
It
identifies
Harmony
Hollow
identifies
for
cross-range
conservation
area,
as
well
as
the
the
five
Parcels
subject
of
tonight's
resolution.
I
So
presently,
here
we
are.
The
town
is
serving
as
the
guinea
pig
for
this
resolution.
To
should
Council
choose
to
adopt
it
and
allocate
half
of
the
negotiated
price
per
purchase
of
30.6
Acres.
The
Maricopa
County
Board
of
Supervisors
would
consider
the
same
purchase,
sale
agreement
at
their
next
meeting,
which
I
believe
is
the
16th
of
November
or
not.
The
14th,
maybe
doesn't
matter
they'll.
I
Is
it's
not
often
that
that
you
get
to
do
this
so
I'm
I
apologize
at
any
rate?
What
council
is
being
asked
to
consider
tonight
is
allocating
funding
to,
and
that's
not
an
area,
allocating
half
of
the
negotiated
rate
to
purchase
30.6
Acres,
it's
been
discussed.
What
what
happens
after
the
dflt
acquires
it
dflt
in
the
interim
of
acquiring
it
from
the
private
property
owners
who
they've
negotiated
the
prices
with
we've
gotten
appraisals
that
are
below
or
right
in
line
with
what
they're
asking
for
it.
I
So
it's
fair
market
value
dflt
will
place
a
conservation
easement
over
the
property
and
at
such
time,
then
transfer
that
property
to
Maricopa
County
in
the
town,
and
we
would
be
half
owners
with
Maricopa
County
contributing
the
other
half
of
the
negotiated
price
funding
for
the
town
share
of
the
purchase
is
allocated
and
dedicated
within
the
adopted
budget
for
open
space
acquisition.
So
the
funding
is
there
to
to
allow
Council
to
consider
this
expenditure.
I
As
I've
stated,
government
agencies
cannot
purchase
property
above
appraised
value.
We
have
an
appraised
value
of
the
property.
The
negotiated
rate
does
not
exceed
the
appraised
value
and
once
again,
just
want
to
give
credit
to
RJ
Cardin
with
Maricopa
County,
Parks
and
obviously
Vicki
Preston
with
Desert
Foothills
land
trust
for
really
putting
this
together
and
we've
had
a
lot
of
phone
conversations
over
the
last
three
years.
To
get
to
this
point,
and
it's
it's
very
fulfilling
to
to
be
able
to
do
this
without
I'll
answer
any
questions.
I'm,
rambling,
I,
apologize.
I
The
underlying
zoning
of
the
property
is
currently
Dr
190,
which
is
another
reason
why
dflt
is
adamant
about
placing
a
conservation
Amusement
over
it
once
they
take
possession
so
Dr
190,
30,
Acres
six
homes
as
Council
mayor
may
not
be
aware.
The
owners
of
the
triangle
Parcels
now
it's
now
it's
displayed
for
everyone-
did
get
into
a
a
legal
issue
with
Maricopa
County
over
access.
The
Court
ruled
in
the
favor
of
the
applicant
granting
them
access
through
the
park
to
the
property.
I
Essentially,
they
would
share
their
driveway
with
the
existing
Park
walkway
that
you
walk
from
the
parking
lot
up
to
the
entrance.
Currently
so
once
again,
six
ohms
shared
driveway
access
there.
There
are
a
lot
of
things
about
this
property
that
that
make
it
desirable
for
the
Town
and
County
and
obviously
dflt
to
pursue.
Thank.
F
J
K
A
D
This
is
a
motion
to
approve
resolution,
r2022-17
resolution
of
the
mayor
in
the
Town
Council
as
you
enter
into
a
joint
purchase,
sale
agreement
between
Maricopa
County
Town
of
Cave
Creek
and
Desert
Foothills
Land
Trust
contained
within
the
exhibit
providing
for
half
the
negotiated
total
amount
necessary
to
purchase
and
preserve
approximately
30.6
acres
for
an
amount
of
362
500.
Second,.
D
There
are
several
things
that
have
set
our
community
apart
as
being
very
special.
For
example,
during
the
90s
Deeds
were
sold
to
the
top
of
Black
Mountain,
they
weren't
truly
Deeds.
Actually,
they
were
contributions
to
hire
a
lawyer
to
transfer
that
land
from
federal
ownership
to
become
a
Maricopa,
County
Park,
and
it
will
forever
preserve
the
top
of
Black
Mountain
incorporation
spur
across
all
of
these
are
things
that
have
defined
Cave
Creek
as
an
extremely
special
place.
D
J
A
F
A
I
So,
prior
to
the
mou
coming
to
council
lee
zidanic
with
the
Foothills
Food
Bank,
asked
to
schedule
a
meeting
with
me
to
consider
different
areas
of
town
that
might
be
suitable
for
the
food
bank
to
expand
their
their
operation
and
service
area.
They
had
looked
at
areas
within
the
Carefree
Highway
sap.
I
They
had
looked
at
Parcels
adjacent
to
Tractor,
Supply,
Company
Parcels
within
Area
18,
behind
tractor
supply
company
and
in
and
around
those
areas,
understanding
that
they
would
have
to
acquire
the
property,
rezone
the
property
and
then
develop
their
their
buildings
being
a
crazy
planner
that
I
am
I.
I
learned
from
my
predecessor,
there's
really
no
bad
ideas
until
you.
You
work
it
through
and
see
how
far
it
takes
you
I
I
offered
that
staff
would
entertain.
I
We
decided
to
enter
into
talks
about
the
feasibility
of
that
at
such
time
and
mou
has
prepared
and
brought
to
council
to
before
food
banks
started
spending
money
and
actually
researching
whether
it
was
feasible
on
their
end.
What
you
see
tonight
is
the
culmination
of
that
effort
with
the
mou
basically
preliminary
outline
of
of
where
their
structure
would
go
their
facilities.
You
see
the
notice
the
Big
Orange,
Box
I
had
had
a
question
about.
How
much
does
the
will
the
town
pay
for
this?
I
For
the
town,
we've
determined
that
the
value
of
the
town
is
is
substantially
equal
to
the
value
of
the
building
that
they
would
be
building
for
the
town
for
use
for
public
works
and
utilities
office
and
lab
space
and
other
things,
and
then
we
would
lease
that
back
from
them
at
zero
cost
over
a
long-term
lease
period.
So
really,
this
is
an
opportunity
for
the
town
to
vacate
an
existing
modular
building,
which
you
can
kind
of
see
over
on
the
right
there
with
the
with
the
cars
around
it.
I
That
is
really
substandard
for
what
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
operators
need
to
test
and
I,
don't
know
all
the
terminology,
but
to
do
what
they
need
to
do
so.
This
this
gives
the
town
an
opportunity
to
have
a
dedicated
office
space
and
lab
space
for
them
to
operate
the
Wastewater
system
and
in
exchange
the
Foothills
Food
Bank
has
the
opportunity
to
be
on
a
major
thoroughfare
conveniently
located
to
continue
to
serve
the
225
square
mile
radius
that
they
that
they
do
for
the
community
and
we've.
I
You
know
the
the
town
has
always
thought
of
the
food
bank
as
a
as
a
great
and
reliable
partner.
The
food
bank
is
also
trying
to
attract
other
similarly
goal-oriented
non-profits
to
that
area
and
we'll
see
we'll
see
what
comes
of
that
in
the
future.
But
at
this
point
what's
before
you
is
approval
to
finalize
the
the
premise
system
ground
lease
for
for
the
food
bank
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
Council
may
have
the.
F
F
I
That
is,
that
is
one
Pro
that
I
did
did
not
mention
in
in
my
report
is:
not
only
are
they
would
the
food
bank
not
be
taking
as
a
non-profit
a
commercially
viable
piece
of
land
in
and
around
the
Carefree
Highway
Cave
Creek
Road
intersection,
but
they
would
also
be
freeing
up
for
a
commercial
Enterprise
within
the
town
core
and
out
of
their
existing
building.
Yes,
thank
you
that.
H
I
M
M
My
name
is
Laurie
Olson
I'm,
the
president
of
the
board
for
the
food
bank,
the
organization
that
we're
talking
to
right
now
is
Karen
core.
We
have
partnered
with
Karen
core
for
I,
think
a
year
and
a
half
Lee
yeah,
quite
a
long
time,
but
it's
it's
been
a
huge
source
of
growth
for
us
in
terms
of
number
of
clients
coming
in
we're
thinking
that
we
would
share
office.
M
M
I
did
want
to
offer
to
the
council
members
if
you
would
like
to
to
really
get
into
the
details
of
what
we're
planning
and
everything,
Lee
and
I
would
be
glad
to
make
ourselves
available
at
the
food
bank.
You
could
see
our
operation
we'd
be
glad
to
go
through
the
plans
in
detail
and
really
show
you
whatever.
Whatever
you'd
like.
C
K
K
So
we're
somewhere
near
the
18
I
think
with
those
original
discussion
of
their
needs.
It's
actually
a
little
bit
below
at
this
point.
Yes,
and
again
with
the
NG
ngos,
help
the
town
as
feeling
like
a
classic
Kramer
move
here,
they're
just
kind
of
landing
on
a
new
building
for
the
sewer
plant
to
utilize,
which
is
great,
very
much
support
this
effort.
K
L
D
From
Rhode
Island
Delaware,
it's
in
Delaware
all
the
way
from
Delaware.
The
food
bank
has
been
a
tremendous
asset
to
the
community.
It's
become
more
clear
to
me
over
the
years
how
people
can
fall
into
a
trap
where
they
need
help
and
the
fact
that
there's
someone
who
helps
them
is
very
important
and
for
the
town
to
take
part
in
the
the
service
it's
provided
for
Humanity
is,
is
just
a
tremendous
thing,
I'm,
so
proud
of
the
town
and
of
the
work
that
the
food
bank
has
done
over
the
years.
H
D
A
N
A
N
N
At
least
one
congratulations,
members
of
the
Cave
Creek
community
good
evening,
so
I'll
just
go
over
the
snapshot
of
what
we
provide
each
month
to
the
town
in
the
form
of
a
town
report
and
I
just
spoke
with
Marshall
Stein
about
this.
You
don't
have
a
copy
of
the
statistical
report
that
we
provide
to
the
town.
N
Okay,
so
I'll
just
give
a
category
snapshot
and
if
there's
any
questions
that
I
can
answer,
please
let
me
know
so
the
way
we
break
it
down-
and
this
is
specifically
4K
freak,
of
course,
being
a
contract
town
for
the
Sheriff's
Office.
My
name
is
Ryan
varanos
by
the
way
I'm
the
deputy
Commander
next
door
here.
So
we
have
the
top
20
calls
for
service
the
top
20
on
view
top
20
calls
for
service.
N
With
incident
reports,
we
have
the
top
20
calls
for
service
top
10
on
view
on
view
with
reports,
and
then
we
break
it
down
by
traffic
as
well,
so
I
have
for
the
last
two
years.
Stats.
If
you
need
me
to
answer
anything
specific
related
to
crashes
or
citations
or
criminal
activity,
anything
that
has
to
do
with
law
enforcement.
I'm
happy
to
go
over
that,
because
this
is
quite
comprehensive
and
we
could
be
here
all
night
talking
numbers.
N
J
N
Mr
vice
mayor
I
appreciate
that
I
I
can
only
speak
to
what
I
know
and
what
I
know
is
basically
what
was
been
broadcast
on
the
news.
The
Maricopa
County
Sheriff's
Office
is
under
a
court
order,
a
federal
court
order
with
a
court
monitor
team
that
overlooks
the
activities
of
the
Sheriff's
Office.
You
are
correct.
N
The
most
recent
one
that
was
broadcast
on
the
news
again,
this
is
public
information
was
relative
to
Internal
Affairs
cases
not
being
done
within
the
prescribed
time
frames
by
by
the
judge,
and
with
that,
with
a
lot
of
different
things,
we
have
to
allocate
resources
to
comply
with
the
federal
court
order.
Truth
be
told,
is
we
compete
with
a
lot
of
different
agencies
within
Maricopa
County
in
the
metro
area
and
even
outside
the
metro
area,
four
bodies,
and
so
it's
no
secret
law,
enforcement's
hurting
on
the
recruitment
retention
and
succession
front.
N
N
One
of
the
good
things
recently
that
happened
is
we
no
longer
have
to
respond
out
of
the
substation.
With
regards
to
investigation
call
outs,
now
we
have
a
centralized
detected
core
that
comes
out
of
the
downtown
area
and
it's
dependent
upon
the
category
in
which
the
crimes
being
investigated,
for
example,
property
crimes,
people
crimes,
whatever
the
case
may
be
the
sole
Focus
up
here
in
the
substations,
which
of
course
covers
Cave
Creek
among
many
other
communities
is
Patrol,
and
so
with
the
resources
we're
given
we're
able
to
deploy
those
resources.
N
What's
an
adequate
number
I,
don't
know
what
I
do
know.
Is
we
fulfill
the
contract
obligation
that
we
have
to
both
Cave
Creek
and
carefree
with
the
amount
of
money
that's
paid
per
the
contract?
We
deliver
those
resources
in
addition
to
those
Patrol
deputies,
we
also
provide
at
no
additional
cost
to
the
town.
We
give
you
a
bomb
disposal
unit.
We
give
you
dogs,
we
give
you
a
SWAT
team.
We
give
you
the
helicopter,
we
give
you
a
command.
We
give
you
everything
that
goes
with
a
full-fledged
law.
N
I,
don't
know
if
it
hinders
us
I
I,
don't
have
an
answer
to
that,
because
we're
so
large
we
have
a
lot
of
different
areas.
In
addition
to
the
sworn
enforcement
side
of
the
house,
we
also
have
a
jail
side
to
worry
about.
We
have
a
civilian
side
to
worry
about
again
the
captain
and
I
deploy
resources
based
on
contracts
and
based
on
calls
for
service
and
where
we
need
to
deploy
those
resources
based
on
crime
trends
that
we
see.
N
At
last
check
we
have
right
around
50
total,
but
that
includes
admin
staff
that
includes
our
Deputy
staff,
that
includes
sergeants
lieutenants
and
a
captain.
That
number
fluctuates
depending
on
needs
in
other
places.
Within
the
agency
we
have
approximately
five
to
six
deputies
on
patrol
at
any
given
time,
and
in
addition
to
that,
you
also
have
a
patrol
Sergeant,
that's
always
on
duty
as
well,
and
that's
per
the
court
order
mandate.
There's
always
a
sworn
supervisor
on.
N
In
addition
to
that,
and
I
also
supplement
the
squads
when
I'm
at
work
as
well
as
you
can
see,
I
wear
a
uniform
and
I
go
to
work.
In
fact,
Marshall
Stein
I,
don't
know
if
he
briefed
yet,
but
just
a
couple
hours
ago
we
were
rolling
on
around
rolling
around
on
the
ground,
fighting
with
the
suspects,
so
I'm
not
afraid
to
get
my
hands
dirty
I
go
to
work,
and
this
happened
he's
telling
me
just
outside
of
Cave
Creek
Town
limits,
but
I
beg
to
differ,
but
just
because
I.
A
B
D
N
L
And
traffic
course
is
the
is
the
hot
button,
the
the
hottest
button
in
in
town
pretty
much
consistently
and
I.
Think
there's
been
a
a
and
I
appreciate.
There's
been
a
noticeable
increase
in
the
presence
of
sheriffs
and
I've.
Also
seen
a
number
of
traffic
stops
recently
that
well
in
the
last
six
months,
and
so
I
appreciate
that
I
think
that's
I
think
our
our
residents
will
appreciate
that.
K
N
N
L
N
N
If
any
yeah
yeah
that's
almost
non-existent,
sir,
in
Cave
Creek,
we
don't
have
a
marked
drug
problem
per
se.
For
that
that
draws
the
attention
of
our
resources.
Now
the
Sheriff's
Office
does
does
have
what's
called
a
special
investigation
unit,
that
their
sole
focus
is
drug
activity.
But
in
this
area
we're
not
seeing
large
quantities
of
drugs
being
moved
through
town
I.
Think
a
big
part
of
that
too,
is
the
dead
end
as
well,
we're
not
on
a
main
thoroughfare
in
terms
of
Interstate,
and
things
like
that.
N
H
F
N
Soon,
as
you
ask
that
question
Anthem
believe
it
or
not
has
had
and
I
know
it's
of
no
interest
to
Cave
Creek,
but
just
by
comparison
because
I
work
in
this
area,
Anthem
has
had
a
little
uptick
and
I.
Think
the
proximity
to
the
interstate,
probably
is
has
something
to
do
with
that:
I'm
guessing
Cave
Creek,
no
there's
not
too
many
issues.
I
know
that
Marshall
Stein
is
out
running
around
and
doing
his
thing
and
we
support
him
in
his
mission
as
well.
N
J
A
N
However,
however,
the
court
is
very
specific
in
saying
that
any
allegations
and
misconduct
will
be
investigated
as
soon
as
that's
launched.
It
turns
into
an
external
complaint
which
then
starts
a
process,
and
these
cases
are
very
complex,
very
complex,
very
time
consuming.
In
fact,
I'll
share
with
you
that,
just
recently,
the
internal
affairs
case
is
that
the
district
was
given
to
investigate,
have
now
been
removed
from
all
substations,
meaning
that
District
man
no
longer
has
to
investigate
allegations
of
misconduct.
N
Everything
is
automatically
now
sent
downtown
to
our
Professional
Standards
mural
and
then
that
Cadre
of
investigators,
then
that's
their
job.
That's
your
sole
Focus!
So
it's
taken
a
heavy
lift
off
our
shoulders
because
we
were
really
bogging
down
our
first
line
supervisors
with
a
lot
of
these
investigations
and
when
you
have
them
bogged
down
like
that,
that
means
they're
not
out
there
in
the
road,
coaching
mentoring,
directing
supervising.
And
what
have
you
to
answer
your
question?
Yes,
mcso.org
spells
out
the
court
order.
All
of
the
information
is
there.
N
All
of
our
policies
are
there
with
regards
to
what
it
is
that
we're
facing.
It
is
definitely
an
uphill
battle,
it's
very
time,
consuming
very
expensive,
so
we
are
in
a
very
difficult
position
with
regards
to
who
replaces
me
when
I
walk
out
the
door
who's
coming
in
behind
me
to
take
my
job
in
law
enforcement
in
general,
this
isn't
specific
or
special
to
Arizona.
N
This
is
across
the
country,
as
everybody
knows,
everybody's
fighting
for
bodies
and
you're,
seeing
a
change
in
the
wave
of
folks
that
aren't
interested
in
law
enforcement,
anymore,
they're,
just
not,
and
now
they've
changed
our
pension
in
Arizona,
thankfully,
for
me,
I'm
grandfathered
in
but
they've
now
reformed
our
pension.
So,
there's
not
a
whole
lot
of
enticement
to
want
to
carry
a
loaded
gun
to
work
and
have
to
put
on
a
ballistic
vest.
It's
not
appealing
to
a
lot
of
folks.
These
days.
A
Let
me
make
a
statement
that
you
can't
thank.
You
I,
think
it's
ridiculous!
That
law
enforcement
Maricopa
County
is
is
constrained
to
the
point
they
are
by
the
federal
court.
It's
still
judge
snow,
it
is,
it
is.
Some
may
recall
that,
some
time
back,
we
did
a
non-binding
resolution
to
him
and
asking
him
to.
A
Please
take
a
look
at
at
what
he
was
doing
to
law
enforcement
because
they
can't
be
as
effective
doing
their
job
when
they've
got
a
a
monitor,
so
to
speak,
that's
watching
them
whose
main
main
goal
in
life
is
to
continue
to
be
a
federally
paid
monitor.
So
as
long
as
he
finds
things
wrong
with
the
sheriff's
department,
he
it's
job
security
for
him
he's
going
to
be
looking
for
stuff
we're.
We
are
absolutely
being
constrained
by
a
ridiculous
federal
government.
A
That
is
that
that
really
the
the
problems
now
are
are
are
not
what
they
were.
Mcso
is
is
behaving
much
better
under
all
circumstances
and
I
think
it's
ridiculous.
The
federal
courts
are
still
and
and
the
the
federal
government
is
still
got
their
thumb
as
hard
they
do
on
on
the
Maricopa
County
Sheriff's
Department.
That's
my
soapbox
for
the
evening.
There's
public
comment
on
this.
One.
O
C
N
H
G
G
She
is
our
accounting
manager
she's
a
very
experienced
CPA
and
has
been
working
closely
with
Shirley
over
the
past
few
weeks
and
she
announced
her
retirement
and
has
been
with
the
town
for
now
a
year
and
a
half
yeah
yeah
a
year
and
a
half
gone
on
two
years
yeah.
So
we're
fortunate
for
her
to
be
able
to
step
into
that
position
and
not
here
this
evening.
I,
don't
think
is
Bridget,
but
Bridget
is
working
with
Mitzi
and
she
will
move
up
into
mitzi's
position
as
the
accounting
manager.
F
Well,
no,
but
I
just
wanted
to
say
since
Miss
fox
has
been
here,
I
found
her
reporting
to
be
heads
above
anything
we've
received
in
the
years
previous
and
that
your
accuracy,
the
reports
were
clear.
They
were
easily
understood
and
if
there
was
an
item
that
you
didn't
understand,
you
said
that
and
got
back
to
us
and
I
for
one
just
wanted
to.
Thank
you
for
a
job
well
done
and
good
luck
in
the
future.
P
P
the
dashboard
type
financial
reporting
is
a
standard
that
I've
used
often
in
the
past.
I
have
found
that
this
way
of
reporting
improves
the
readability
of
financial
information
and
will
communicate
the
activities
of
the
town
in
a
clear
and
transparent
way.
I
know
I've
been
here
all
this
time,
but
I
wanted
to
present
the
financials
for
the
first
time
this
way
with
the
budget
that
was
written
from
my
office.
So
this
is
the
second
piece
the
budget
was
the
first
piece.
This
is
the
second
piece.
P
This
is
how
I
found
best
practice
in
traditional
reporting
of
financial
information.
That
works
very
well
so
I'm
going
to
go
through
this
tonight
and
it's
it's
new
I've
designed
this
new
sports
reports
to
be
specific
to
Cave,
Creek,
General
and
Enterprise
funds
such
that
the
revenue
and
expenses
can
be
easily
compared
to
budget.
P
The
other
funds
have
been
summarized
and
all
the
debt
obligations
have
been
charted.
The
graphs
are
intended
to
be
used
in
the
future
and
they
will
allow
Mitzi
to
go
forward
in
2023,
quarterly
performance
and
track
those
to
the
budget
and
prior
quarterly
in
the
year.
So
historically,
she'll
be
able
to
take
these
reports
and
move
forward.
P
P
P
Breaking
it
down
by
the
revenue
types,
we
see
that
the
local
tax,
which
is
the
sales
tax,
is
only
at
13
right
now.
This
lower
percentage
at
this
time
of
year
is
usual
and
the
timing
of
sales
tax
collection
lags
behind
in
the
first
part
of
the
year,
so
the
sales
tax,
normally
during
the
year,
you're
getting
prior
months
as
they
come
in,
and
so
it's
a
little
bit
elevated.
P
But
at
your
end
we
reconcile
the
sales
tax
and
we
post
them
Final
in
a
prior
year,
so
the
first
month
of
the
year
you're,
seeing
just
a
little
bit
that
starts
to
come
in
from
the
timing
issue
and
then,
as
the
year
print
wrestles
you'll
see
it
catch
up
to
itself.
So
this
is
a
usual
look
at
sales
tax.
At
this
time
of
year,
sales
tax
is
the
only
category
that's
lagging
at
this
time.
P
P
Miscellaneous
revenue
is
another
outlier
in
this
report
and
it's
well
beyond
budget
and
that's
due
to
an
insurance
recovery
for
the
damage
at
the
rodeo
grounds.
So
it's
unexpected
Revenue.
It's
in
the
miscellaneous
category
and
you'll
see
that
carry
through
the
rest
of
the
quarters
because
it
will
stay
there
and
it
wasn't
budgeted.
P
P
General
fund
expenses
this
chart
shows
expenses
by
Department.
All
departments
are
trending
about
two
percent
below
budget,
with
the
exception
of
the
fire
department,
the
percentage
spent
in
the
fire
department
is
46.9,
and
this
is
due
to
the
Daisy
Mountain
contract.
The
Daisy
Mountain
contract
is
paid
quarterly
in
advance,
so
by
the
end
of
September.
That
contract
had
been
paid
for
50
percent
of
the
year
in
advance,
so
you're,
seeing
an
elevation
in
the
fire
department
due
to
the
nature
of
how
that
contract
works
and
that
its
payment
is
in
advance.
P
This
next
slide
describes
the
other
funds,
the
her
fund,
the
highway
user
fees
we
have
56
600
have
been
received
and
no
expenses
have
been
made
in
this
fund.
Yet
here
to
date,
Pittsburgh
cross
188,
000
of
local
taxes
have
been
collected
and
the
Maricopa
County
contract
has
been
paid.
Fifty
four
thousand
dollars
as
budgeted,
so
we've
paid
our
contract
25.
So
that's
just
what
goes
through
spur
across
it
at
this
time.
So
that's
all
normal.
P
J
P
J
Okay,
on
the
previous
page,
where
you
have
the
operating
Department
expenses,
there's
about
almost
five
million
dollars
additional
for
the
Phoenix
interconnect,
but
that's
not
reflected
in
that
Rundown.
Is
it
where?
Where
is
it
reflected?
It
can't
be
in
in
the
cake
with
water
fund,
because
that
fund
doesn't
have
that
amount
of
money.
P
It
is
in
the
Cave
Creek
Water
fund
and
it's
in
the
capital
projects
inside
the
Cave
Creek
Water
fund
as
budgeted.
So
it's
below
the
line.
If
you
look
at
the
larger
budget,
it's
below
the
line
and
it
says-
transfer
to
Capital,
but
the
auditor
is
recommended
for
the
Enterprise
funds
that
I
do
not
transfer
for
Capital
and
I
keep
the
capital
expenses
within
the
fund,
so
it's
budgeted
there
and
below
the
line.
J
P
P
J
P
That
was
the
Congressional
Grant.
So
when
we
wrote
the
budget,
we
had
all
those
grants
coming
and
then
we
moved
the
state
and
local
fiscal
recovery
funds
into
Cave
Creek.
If
Sean
is
able
to
spend
more
than
what's
over
there
and
budgeted
and
available
to
him
in
the
next
six
months,
I
would
be
surprised
if
that
occurs.
We.
J
Will
definitely
report
to
you.
I
know
you
can't
make
something
out
of
nothing
and
the
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is
that
the
Cave
Creek,
Water
System
way
of
gaining
income
does
not
accommodate
that
almost
five
extra
million
dollars.
That
is,
that
going
to
be
moved
from
the
general
fund
on
on
undesignated
money
not
designated
for
this
purpose.
That
purpose
or
any
other
purpose
moved
in
to
pay
for
the
interconnect.
P
J
P
The
Enterprise
funds,
Wastewater
Cave,
Creek,
Water
and
Desert
Hill
water-
are
each
presented
in
individual
charts
and
graphs.
This
is
the
Wastewater
chart,
the
Wastewater
we
did
not
collect.
We
did
collect
our
normal
service
fees.
However,
there
were
no
news
service
Connections
in
Desert
Hills
in
the
first
quarter
and
that's
a
result
of
your
2021
water
policy.
P
P
Q
Counselor
correct,
we
don't
water
policy
actually
doesn't
affect
the
road
Desert
Hills,
because
we
have
no
sewer
out
there.
Really.
This
is
coming
down
to
our
projections
of
of
new
connections
that
were
coming
as
as
part
of
the
revenue
the
revenue
is
made
up
of
both
the
user
fees,
the
base
fees
and
the
commercial
side.
We
have
a
volumetric
fee,
but
we
also
had
some
projections
for
development
growth.
That's
going
to
come
in
and
get
some
capacity
fees
so
that
some
of
those
projects
have
not
hit
yet
so
effectively
in
the
queue.
J
J
E
P
In
this
top
chart
with
the
new
reporting
dashboard,
you
can
see
that
the
capital
projects
are
broken
out
for
Wastewater.
The
inlet
screen
replacement
was
started
in
the
first
quarter,
so
20.6
percent
of
the
capital
project
budget
is
expensed.
So,
with
this
new
presentation,
each
quarter
you'll
be
able
to
see
the
capital
projects
in
their
own
line
outside
of
operation,
so
operations
will
be
freestanding,
revenue
and
expense,
and
then
capital
is
also
freestanding.
P
So
you
can
see
your
management
team
working
through
the
capital
projects
and
financial
continued
report
where
they're
at
what
it's
for
what
budgets
remaining
and
that's
what
that
part
of
the
graph
is
yeah
and
then
the
bottom
part
is
revenue
to
expense,
and
even
though
we
discuss
that
Revenue
was
lower
than
expected,
the
revenue
is
the
blue
and
the
expenses
are
red,
and
so
revenues
are
exceeding
expenses.
At
this
point
in
the
year.
P
Cave
Creek
Water
operations
are
starting
the
year
out
with
revenues
in
the
blue
they're
four
percent
above
budget
and
expenses
in
the
red,
which
are
five
percent
below
budget
capital.
Projects
were
started
for
the
walkway
at
the
treatment
plant
and
the
grant
funds
were
transferred
to
support
the
Phoenix
interconnect
project.
So
in
in
this
budget,
under
the
capital
projects,
you
can
see
the
500
000
that
was
expensed.
That's
the
beginning
of
the
Phoenix
interconnect
project
going
through
the
Cave
Creek
Water
fund
under
capital
projects
separate
from
operations.
P
We
don't
recognize
Revenue
until
it's
earned
so
until
we
actually
receive
it
and
whiffer
works
as
a
reimbursement.
So
you
probably
won't
see
it
that
way.
You'll
see
an
expense
and
and
revenue
matching
as
we
expense
things
and
we
get
whiffer
reimbursement,
so
it
should
be
equal
dollar
for
dollars.
So
I'm,
not
sure
you
would
see
any
anything
in
this
and
we
will
report
with
a
separately.
So
you
can
see
any
reimbursement.
Any
expenses.
Okay,.
M
P
But
if
we
remember
the
bottom
parts
of
each
of
these
slides,
all
the
Enterprise
funds
are
operating
within
the
current
revenues.
So
all
the
blues
are
greater
than
the
Reds
in
all
three
of
the
charts
and
I
think
at
this
time
of
the
year,
that's
really
important
to
start
out
that
way
to
report
that
way
we
may
be
a
little
closer
off
of
budget
under
or
over,
but
overall
all
the
revenues
are
supporting
all
the
expenses
in
all
the
Enterprise
funds.
As
of
the
end
of
the
first
quarter,
any
questions
about
the
Enterprise
funds.
P
Okay,
this
one
should
be
a
little
easier.
This
is
your
debt
schedule.
The
Debt,
Service
schedules
chart
shows
the
debt
for
the
water
Enterprises
funds
and,
in
that
bottom
box
the
very
bottom.
It
shows
a
beginning
debt
balance
at
the
beginning
of
the
fiscal
year
of
29
million
one
hundred
and
sixteen
thousand
eight
hundred
and
eight
thousand.
L
J
P
We
cannot
spend
unallocated
dollars,
it
must
be
allocated
in
a
budget
somewhere
keeping
in
mind
that
if
the
budgeted
revenues
are
less
than
what
we
anticipated,
these
would
basically
fill
in
that
Gap.
If
they're
needed,
we
only
spend
money
if
we
have
appropriate
expenses
and
appropriated
budgeted
dollars
and
what
happens
if
we
have
an
increase
as
I'm
anticipating
I
am
hoping
that
the
rate
increase
will
increase
the
fund
balances
in
each
of
the
Enterprise
funds
slightly,
so
that
support
from
the
general
fund.
That's
always
like
so
anticipated,
and
we
have
to
wait
to
see.
P
A
D
F
since
we're
paying
down
the
loan,
every
quarter,
the
interest
payment,
the
the
dollar
amount
for
interest
goes
down,
so
would
I
be
correct
in
assuming
that
an
approximately
I'd
say
five
years,
our
debt
will
be
completely
paid
off
and
that's
because
of
the
reducing
the
amount
of
interest
we
pay
out
every
quarter.
Is
that
a
fair
assessment
that
if
all
of
this
would
be
paid
off
in
about
five
years
five
times
as
four
is
twenty
thousand.
F
G
F
So
clear
up,
my
comment,
then,
would
I
be
correct
in
assuming,
after
the
principal
payment
that's
made
in
interest,
payments
are
made
that
we've
got
about
five
years
remaining
on
on
this
29
million
to
beat
25
million
dollar
total
payment
we'd
be
debt.
Free
we'd
certainly
have
other
debt
through
with
a
loans
new
ones,
but
for
this
they'd
be
paid
down
to
zero.
P
P
J
Before
you
leave,
I
want
to
Echo
What
council
member
Silva,
said
before,
and
also
try
to
get
across
the
point
that
I
ask
a
lot
of
questions.
Some
of
them
are
not
the
best
questions
in
the
world.
Some
of
them
I
think
are
necessary
to
ask
and
I
have
to
say,
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
you
give
clear,
concise
answers.
You
know
a
few
years
ago,
I
used
to
ask
a
question:
I
get
45
minutes
of
answer
and
be
able
to
say.
J
Did
you
just
say
yes
and
and
oh
yes,
that's
what
I
did
say
I
like
it
when
you
say
how
much
is
this
going
to
be
and
you
give
an
answer
and
then
don't
go
off
into
bloviating
at
the
same
time.
Thank
you
and
best
of
luck
in
your
future.
Enjoy
your
retirement
I've
been
retired
for
20
years.
It
is
a
great
situation
to
be
in.
P
H
H
A
H
O
H
O
He
basically,
this
is
the
quarterly
first,
as
was
mentioned.
This
is
the
first
quarter
report
for
22-23,
but
it
is
the
third
time
I've
come
before
you
now,
since
we
changed
everything
around
the
third
third
quarterly
report.
For
you
to
take
a
look
at
in
your
packets
is
a
little
more
detail
than
the
PowerPoint
that
we
put
together,
but
we'll
quickly
go
through
some
of
the
highlights
and
we'll
be
here
to
answer
any
questions.
O
If
you
have
any
of
those
questions,
the
first
is
this:
is
the
Run
information
from
July
1st,
through
September
30th
through
the
first
quarter
of
the
fiscal
year
and
it's
broken
down
by
month
and
then
for
the
quarter
and
then
I've
added
another
column
that
says
for
the
year
to
date
year
to
date,
is
the
calendar
year
to
date,
that's
from
January
3rd
when
we
started,
and
so
you
can
see
the
percentages.
The
percentages
of
calls
on
year
to
date
is
for
the
calendar
year.
O
O
Underneath
I
put
in
the
training
hours
because
part
of
our
contract
and
IGA
with
the
AG
mountain
is
that
we
do
have
to
have
the
training
calculated
and
controlled
and
tracked,
and
so
you
can
see
the
number
of
ours
in
the
different
areas
that
we've
done.
The
training,
company
training
driver
training,
EMS
training
that
has
them
keep
their
certifications
out
for
the
state
certifications
which
is
required
by
our
contract.
O
I
put
up
two
charts
for
the
the
PowerPoint
Here
Again
by
first
quarter,
incidents
and
buy
year-to-date
incidents,
and
in
this
quarter,
as
you
can
see,
the
number
of
calls
for
EMS
were
down
a
little
bit
because
we
had
additional
Trail
calls
and
additional
credit
cards
at
the
bottom.
You
can
see
while
we're
running
year
to
date.
O
The
noteworthy
items
that
we
listed
here-
and
we
can
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
these
any
of
these
that
you
like
we
did.
As
you
were
aware
of
last
quarter,
we
started
up
the
additional
brush
crew
Staffing
for
the
Wildland
crew,
the
higher
danger,
but
because
of
the
monsoons
this
year,
the
early
monsoons
and
the
heavy
monsoons
we
had.
We
ended
up
cutting
that
off
a
little
bit
short.
We
cut
it
off
in
July,
which
ended
up
being
a
credit
back
to
us
from
the
contract.
O
O
We
still
have
had
additional
discussions
and
I
think
a
couple
of
you
might
have
gotten
phone
calls
about
the
Department
of
Forestry
and
fire
service
estate
doing
some
defensible
space
work
in
the
areas
north
of
an
area
of
us
for
across
around
spur
cross,
and
so
we're
still
working
with
them.
There
will
be
a
fire
program
that
they
come
to
the
town
with
that
we
will
look
at
to
make
sure
that
they're
not
going
too
far
with
their.
O
They
want
to
clear
and
protect
The
Preserve
and
clear
and
protects
especially
some
of
the
Saguaro
dense
saguar
areas
up
there
from
the
the
flash
fuels
and
things
like
that,
so
they
have
their
Crews
that
are
doing
that.
The
town
isn't
paying
for
that.
That's
coming
from
the
state
and
from
their
grant
money
we
did
have
a
working,
the
one
that
got
the
most
attention:
the
working
Fire
in
downtown
at
the
trailer
court
behind
the
Circle
K.
O
It
was
a
fifth
wheel,
trailer,
and
that
was
a
I
put
that
on
there,
because
that's
a
classic
example
of
how
the
automatic
Aid
system
works.
Our
engine
was
busy
was
out
of
the
station.
The
ambulance
crew
from
this
station
was
first,
there
gave
the
report,
the
First
Command
officer
actually
came
I,
think
I
believe
from
Scottsdale,
and
then
you
had
the
Scottsdale
and
the
Phoenix
engines
first
on
the
scene,
and
when,
if
you
went
to
that
incident
after
that
occurred,
you
could
not
tell
that
that
trailer
fire
was
fully
working
fifth
wheel
trailer.
O
You
couldn't
tell
that
that
had
been
parked
next
to
their
primary
office
space.
Those
guys
got
on
it
so
fast
and
it
worked
so
quickly
and
they
had
the
resources
they
needed
to
supply
the
water
and
to
attack
that
fire
appropriately.
So
that
was
a
classic
example
of
how
well
the
automatic
gauge
system
is
working
for
us
here
in
town
and
in
September.
O
We've
also
talked
to
our
Trail
person
Bambi
about
this
also,
so
we
will
be
making
improvements
to
the
the
the
signage
on
the
trails
for
that,
but
that,
as
a
result
of
that,
we
also
were
able
and
we
were
prepared
to
submit
for
a
grant
from
the
firehouse
Foundation
Firehouse
Subs
foundation,
and
that
is
in
right
now
we're
waiting
to
hear
back.
But
we've
asked
for
a
four-wheel
drive
off-road
unit
that
actually
has
a
stretcher
on
it.
O
O
We've
been
talking
about
that,
but
then
that
just
made
it
a
little
more.
You
know
we
need
to
do
a
little
quicker
by
doing
that.
So
we've
made
that
that
presentation
and
then
as
when
we
talk
about
grants,
we've
all
we're
continually
looking
at
different
grants
and
chief
Tobin
and
his
Crews
have
provided-
and
you
can
talk
about
this-
the
the
grants
for
the
uasi
and
Seaburn,
which
is
the
homeland
security
grants
they
were
approved,
which
is
in
your
packet.
O
R
R
It
was
answered
all
within
the
standard,
nationally
recognized
time
periods
of
what
how
those
call
processing
times
should
take
subsequent
callers
people
that
called
after
those
initial
callers
were
not
answered
as
quickly
because
the
system
knows
when
people
are
calling
from
the
same
general
area,
so
the
first
call
went
through
and
the
units
were
responding.
Second,
third,
fourth
fifth
calls
that
were
made
were
not
answered
as
quickly
because
those
calls
were
already
being
processed.
R
R
Chief
Ford
mentioned
our
communication
systems
with
Maricopa
County
Sheriff's
Office,
and
this
has
been
a
complex
issue
for
not
just
the
Beijing
Mountain
Fire
District,
but
most
fire
agencies
that
work
with
Maricopa
County
Sheriff's
Office
they've
been
reluctant
to
share
their
radio
channels
with
fire
service
agencies.
Other
law
enforcement
agencies
in
the
valley
do
share
their
radio
channels
with
their
fire
Partners,
especially
since
the
accelerated
number
of
active
shooter
incidents
that
have
occurred
throughout
the
country.
R
The
standard
practice
is
is
that
all
agencies,
particularly
of
First
Responders,
should
be
able
to
talk
to
one
another
generally
in
the
fire
service.
What
we
say
is
we
will
go
to
the
police
department.
We
will
go
to
their
radio
channel.
We
don't
expect
them
to
come
to
us.
We
just
really
want
to
listen
to
the
incidents
that
are
happening.
You
can.
R
To
the
radio,
if
a
police
officer
is
running
after
somebody
and
trying
to
talk
on
the
radio,
you
get
a
pretty
good
situational
Awareness
on
what's
going
on
or
if
they're
talking
about
getting
shot
at.
We
can
hear
those
kind
of
things
too.
So
we
continue
to
work
with
the
with
our
partners
at
MCSO
related
to
that,
in
particular
also
with
air
operations
and
working
with
a
fox
helicopter
which
serves
Cave,
Creek,
carefree
and
all
Maricopa
County,
but
most
unincorporated
areas,
including
the
entire
Daisy
Mountain
Fire
District.
R
The
Daisy
Mountain
has
a
radio
that
we
can
talk
to
Fox
helicopter
in
our
battalion
vehicle
and
their
pilots
are
getting
more
and
more
adapted
talking
to
us
when
it
comes
to
their
search
and
rescue
missions
and
emergency
air
evacuation
systems,
air
rescue
situations
so
we're
getting
better.
It
takes
a
little
while
to
teach
a
new
dog
new
tricks
or
an
old
dog
new
tricks,
but
we're
getting
there
with
them
and
things
are
improving.
However,
our
partners
to
the
south
south
of
the
Carefree
Highway
Phoenix
Glendale,
Peoria,
Tempe
Chandler.
They
don't
work
with
MCSO.
R
They
have
a
helicopter
based
out
of
Phoenix.
That
they
operate
with
fairly
regularly
and
they
have
ongoing
radio
communications
with
what's
called
Firebird,
we
don't
Firebird,
does
respond
with
Daisy
Mountain,
but
our
air
helicopter
service
is
provided
by
Maricopa,
County
and
fox.
So
we've
worked
with
Fox
for
years.
Obviously,
two
and
a
half
decades
our
partners
aren't
used
to
it
and
one
of
the
growing
pains
on
Cave
Creek
coming
into
the
automatic
Aid
System.
R
Is
you
have
automatic,
Aid
partners
that
come
here
and
expect
the
same
type
of
act,
emergency
activity
that
they
would
if
they
were
in
in
the
other
cities,
so
we're
working
with
our
partners
or
working
with
MCSO?
We
have
a
really
good
Cooperative
arrangement
with
them,
and
things
are
getting
better
so
as
time
goes
on,
I
I
expect
them
to
dramatically
improve
and
continue
to
get
better.
So
things
are
working
well
more
than
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
might.
O
Have
if
I
could
just
make
one
additional
comment
about
that?
There's
been
set
up
monthly
meetings
with
the
air
operations
folks,
what's
Phoenix
fire
with
Daisy
Mountain
with
Maricopa
County
that
have
gone
through
a
whole
bunch
of
these
issues,
and
so
this,
as
the
chief
mentioned,
the
operations
are
getting
much
much
better,
just
even
recently
in
the
last
three
months,
and
so
we're
going
to
continue
to
do
that.
O
Those
monthly
meetings
are
continued
to
be
set
so
that
we
can
go
and
have
those
discussions,
especially
hosted
by
by
Phoenix
fire
at
their
training
center
down
there,
and
then
one
other
comment
I
want
to
make
is
I
did
for
the
in
preparation
for
that
Grant
from
Firehouse
foundations.
I
did
go
back
and
our
crews
have
responded
to
11
technical
rescue
calls
for
service
on
our
trails
since
January
and
that's
that's
a
pretty
good
number.
O
But
in
addition
to
that
which
we
don't
track
and
now
I'll
go
back
and
and
look
at
it
is
a
lot
of
there's.
Some
additional
calls
that
are
just
emergency
medical
service
calls
somebody
at
the
trailhead
that
said,
I
I
made
it
back
to
the
trailhead.
Can
you
come-
and
you
know
check
my
my
heart
or
my
blood
pressure
or
I've
fallen,
and
so
we
have
additional
calls
other
than
that
11,
but
we've
initiated
with
our
regional
Partners
11
technical
rescue
calls
since
January
on
our
trails.
R
Foreign
just
before
we
move
on
I,
just
I
explained
to
you
about
the
air
operators,
but
I
don't
want
you
to
fear,
is
it
feel
as
if
there
was
ever
an
inadequate
level
of
service?
That's
not
what
I'm
suggesting
we've
worked
with
Fox
very
well.
Both
of
the
incidents
that
occurred
here
in
Cave
Creek
had
no
negative
outcome
as
a
result
of
air
operations
or
Communications.
So
we
just
want
you
to
know
that,
irregardless
of
to
that,
we
continue
to
work
and
improve
and
try
and
get
better.
O
Here-
and
these
are
my
feelings,
okay,
so
what
happens
is
and
we've
talked
with
the
county
and
with
tatano
about
this
is
what
happens?
Is
we
have
people
that
overestimate
their
ability
and
underestimate
the
difficulty
of
the
trails?
And
so
that's
we're
going
to
change
the
signage
to
remind
them,
make
sure
you
know
what
you're
getting
into
and
make
sure
you've
talked
to.
Other
people
and
people
know
you're
going
out,
and
you
know
you
brought
your
cell
phones
even
though
there's
sporadic
self
coverage
in
some
of
those
areas.
O
That's
how
our
responders
are
going
out
there,
which
is
why
we're
asking
for
additional
resources
from
the
grant
to
help
with
that?
Because
you
have
to
remember
in
the
middle
of
July
and
it's
120
degrees,
and
somebody
calls
for
that,
we're
still
sending
our
resources
out
there
and
putting
our
folks
at
risk.
Also.
So
that's
why
we're
using
the
helicopter
and
using
the
trying
to
use
additional
resources,
but
a
lot
of
times
it's
individual
bad
decisions
that
are
it's
overestimating:
their
ability,
whether
it's
climbing.
L
O
D
O
R
You
would
say
that
that's
probably
what
you
want
to
have
happen,
but
even
experienced
well-planned
hikers
don't
realize
that
their
cell
phone
is
constantly
trying
to
find
a
cell
site
when
they
leave
service
that
drains
their
cell
phone
batteries,
then,
when
they
find
themselves
lost
disoriented,
Out
of
Water,
their
cell
phones
don't
work.
If
their
cell
phones
had
worked,
we
can
triangulate
their
location,
utilizing
the
Technologies
available
through
the
the
cell
phone
systems,
and
we
can
find
them
on
the
trail.
R
We
know
actually
almost
exactly
where
they
are,
but
when
there's
cell
phones
fail,
then
it's
a
shot
in
the
dark
trying
to
find
where
they
were
last.
So
most
don't
realize
that
when
you
go
into
far
in
remote
areas,
when
your
cell
phones
don't
work,
you
should
either
turn
it
off
or
turn
on
airplane
mode
until
you
need
it,
because
when
you
turn
it
on,
even
if
you're,
not
in
a
cell
phone
area,
we
can
still
triangulate
those
signals.
R
F
And
a
custom
that,
as
I,
am
to
get
into
any
level
of
detail,
I
have
maybe
a
detailed
question
for
you,
chief
for
July
August
September
that
quarter
you're,
showing
that
there
were
21
responses
for
fire
and
when
I
go
to
the
next
page,
where
you
have
a
report
for
significant
down
a
Cave
Creek
incidents,
there's
ten
incidents
of
fire.
So
what
I
conclude
that
the
11
that
are
missing
are
just
minor
things
and
where
you
had
to
send
the
truck
out
to
attend
to,
but
they
weren't
any
of
any
significance.
J
B
R
O
O
Over
there,
some
of
those
are
Auto.
Aid
responses,
those
structure,
fires,
a
lot
of
those
structure,
fires
we
were
working
on
behalf
of
the
auto
Aid
system,
as
the
second
or
third
unit
ends
for
those
some
of
those
structure.
Fires
we've
actually
had
a
few
during
this
year,
fairly
significant
structure,
fires
in
Tatum,
Ranch
that
we
ended
up
being
second
or
third
in
to
assist
the
Phoenix
initial
Phoenix
cruise
on.
G
Quickly
the
comment
that
you
made
about
the
9-1-1
calls
and
then
the
people
that
were
behind
the
very
first
call
and
their
frustration,
because,
but
you
know,
their
perception
was
their
calls
weren't
being
answered
in
a
timely
fashion.
Are
you
doing
anything
to
communicate
with
the
public
about
the
process?
So
if
it
happens
again,
which
I'm
sure
it
will
people
will
understand
that
you're
already
on
that
call
that
they're
just
not
being
delayed
for
no
reason.
R
All
of
our
call,
centers
Maricopa,
County
Sheriff's
Office,
says
our
primary
psap
Phoenix
Regional
fire
dispatch,
Center
law
enforcement
to
some
degree
fire,
although
not
as
significant
these
days,
are
all
under
a
tremendous
amount
of
pressure
with
attrition
rates.
We
have
more
people
leaving
and
we
have
people
coming
in
Cova
didn't
help
because
we
weren't
able
to
prepare
for
new
hires
that
people
were
still
leaving,
but
we
couldn't
bring
new
people
in
so
I
would
say.
Are
we
communicating
that
to
the
public?
The
communication
is:
is
that
they're
just
extremely
busy?
R
They
don't
have
enough
people.
Sometimes
there
are
delays
this
specific
case.
It
was
not
a
delay,
but
sometimes
there
are
when
When,
Storms,
Come
or
there's
other
activities
that
create
more
work.
It's
difficult
to
get
to
the
calls,
and
that
is
a
problem.
There
are
regular
PSAs
about
only
call
when
it's
an
emergency,
don't
call
when
it's
not
believe
it
or
not.
R
G
R
D
R
B
O
We
did
and
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
whenever
this
something
like
this
happens,
anybody
that
did
reach
out
either
to
you
or
the
town
I
try
to
call
back
directly
and
explain
what
happened
when
that
occurred,
and
this
particular
instance
being
it
was
right
behind
the
Circle
K
in
downtown
and
I.
Had
the
number
I
don't
have
it
off
the
top
of
my
head.
The
number
of
9-1-1
calls
that
was
received
by
the
sheriff
in
that
first
10
minutes
was
an
extraordinary
amount.
O
You
know,
and
so
that's
what
was
happening
because
right
in
little
downtown,
you
had
hundreds
of
people
that
saw
that
and
they
all
made
that
phone
call.
So
that's
what
happened
and
if
I
didn't
get
to
anybody
that
had
contacted
you.
Please
let
me
know,
because
that's
one
of
the
things
with
Carrie
that
I
do
try
to
reach
out
and
let
them
know.
R
G
A
C
A
R
A
Q
Q
Q
Q
So
at
this
point
the
goal
was
to
go
in
and
replace
the
the
meters
that
are
going
to
remain
in
the
Cave
Creek
System,
which
will
be
about
25
just
under
2600
accounts
By.
The
time
Carefree
does
its
disconnects
and
takes
off
it's
550
accounts
and
that
most
of
those
meters
are
actually
existing
to
win
the
town,
bot
the
system
or
just
have
been
added
to
not
in
the
last
two
not
too
many
years.
Q
The
town
did
start
changing
out
on
our
own
behalf
to
a
Neptune
meter
system.
So
when
you
take
a
step
back
that
the
the
town's
metering
system
is
when
we
bought
the
system
in
2007
was
a
compilation.
I
had
about
seven
different
meter
types
in
the
system,
but
the
previous
water
operators
actually
had
put
a
radio
read
system
onto
it
called
itron.
So
they
added
that
to
the
system.
Most
of
those
devices
are
actually
getting
close
to
the
end
of
their
life.
Q
Oh
actually
I'm,
jumping
ahead
here,
sorry,
yeah
I'll
jump
ahead.
One
slide
actually
I'll,
let
you
know
so
most
of
the
transmitters
that
were
installed
are
actually
the
ones
that
we
bought
when
we
put
our
system
so
there's
a
17
year
old
meters
and
transmitters,
the
transmitters
actually
only
warrantied
for
10
years.
That
doesn't
mean
that
they're
going
to
last
for
10
years,
they're,
actually
a
little
radio
device,
that's
attached
to
the
meter,
and
that
sends
out
a
signal.
So
we
do
a
dry.
Q
What's
called
a
drive-by
radio
system
and
when
the
townbot
Desert
Hills,
it
was
actually
a
walk
by
System,
where
actually
we
had
to
have
staff
physically
go
out
and
read
the
meters
in
2012.
The
town
actually
started
to
change
that
system
out
to
a
neptune-based
system.
Sorry
I'm
jumping
around
here
a
little
bit
and
this
is
an
example
of
a
Neptune
meter.
So
in
2012
they
started
that
work
and
it
was
complete
just
as
I
was
coming
on
board
in
2019.
Q
So
we
have
about
1900
of
these
Neptune
meters
out
in
Desert.
Hills
they've
been
working
very
well
for
us
and
we
actually
have
a
couple
of
good
advantages,
not
only
in
fact
that
they're
they're
putting
out
good
signals,
but
there's
things
like
data
alerts
that
we
can
get
out
of
the
system
between
the
meters
themselves
and
the
software.
A
staff
pick
up
the
the
usage
data
on
the
monthly
from
the
from
the
customers
there.
Q
You
can
also
get
alarms
from
the
system
when
there's
high
or
low
water
usage,
so
in
advance
of
us
sending
out
a
water
bill.
Our
staff
actually
get
some
notifications
from
the
system
and
that's
usually
what
we
get
or
what
we
do.
We
don't
have
to
do
rereads
out
in
Desert
Hills.
We
actually
get
notification
of
anomalies
in
the
system
and
we
can
go
out
and
start
customer
interaction
and
start
talking
to
people
earlier
than
them
waiting
another
two
weeks
before
they
get
their
bill.
So
it's
been
very
useful.
Q
Q
Q
So
that's
catching
up
with
us,
so
staff
are
what
we're
doing
is
we're
actually
in
the
last
few
years,
what
we've
been
doing
is
wait
until
we
get
a
group
together,
buy
some
meters
and
then
we
actually
go
out
and
replace
them
and
and
kind
are
in
in
a
process
that
was
sort
of
a
soft
start
to
the
media
replacement
program
and
it's
been
effective
for
us,
but
again,
they're
they're,
failing
at
a
rate
that
it's
hard
for
us
to
keep
up
with
taking
another
step
back
on.
Why
we
do
this?
Q
The
meter
is
actually
both
meter.
The
the
customer
usage
which
allows
us
to
do
buildings
and
generate
the
revenues
for
the
system,
but
they
also
take
some
time
for
staff.
The
when
the
metering
system
in
Desert
Hills
was
changed
out
that
got
us
down
to
one
day
of
reading.
All
those
1900
meters
yeah
part
of
that's
the
laota
Desert
Hills,
is
even
though
it's
got
a
lot
of
dead
Industries
a
lot
of
dirt
dirt
roads.
Q
It
is
more
of
a
grid-based
system
out
in
Desert
Hills,
so
it's
easy
for
the
staff
to
get
around
it.
Cave
Creek
typically
takes
two
days
for
one
staff
member
to
drive
through
and
pick
up
the
readers
right
now
we
actually
they're
driving
around
with
two
different
radio
devices
and
itron
and
a
Neptune
device
in
the
car.
So
it
looks
like
a
bit
of
a
mess
in
their
side
side
car
when
they're
going
up
but
after
they
finish
that
reads,
we're
typically
getting
80
to
100
reread
requests
out
of
the
system.
Q
That
means
that
the
the
radio
did
not
send
out
a
signal
properly
or
there
was
an
issue
between
the
radio
connecting
to
the
meter
and
I.
Do
the
meter
body
died?
So
it's
been
running
consistently
for
a
while
that's
of
the
five
member
crew
that
we
have
in
a
distribution
crew
that
they
usually
take
two
to
three
days
after
the
one
person
is
read
to
actually
go
out
and
do
all
the
re-reads
that's
manually
going
to
the
meters
and
actually
picking
up
the
information
and
put
in
our
Billing
System.
Q
Another
Advantage
I
want
to
bring
up
with
the
Neptune
meters
that
when
we
talk
later
tonight,
we're
gonna
be
talking
about
the
drought
Management
program,
one
of
the
things
with
the
drought
management
is
we're
really
trying
to
look
to
promote
conservation,
and
we
think
one
of
the
best
advantages
or
best
ways
that
we
can
help
our
customers
learn
about
conservation
is
give
them
more
accurate
information
about
their
their
water
usage.
Currently
someone
they
use
water
within
a
month's
period.
Q
Q
So
while
we
have
a
drive-by
system
right
now,
we
pick
up
the
information
and
Ami
means
that
we've
got
a
fixed
radio
system
that
actually
picks
up
the
meters
and
actually
can
then
send
it
to
a
cloud-based
software
package
that
we
can
actually
look
at
ourselves
as
well
as
the
customers.
So
they
can
see
their
usage
for
more
real-time
data
sets.
So
we
do
believe
that
moving
forward,
it's
a
great
technology
for
us
to
have,
and
she
allow
us
to
help
our
customers
be
more
efficient
and
actually
look
for
issues
like
leaks.
Q
So
one
of
the
reasons,
besides
failures,
we
we
have
been
looking
at
the
meters
last
year
in
doing
the
capital
Improvement
program,
presenting
it
to
council.
We
tested
106
meters
in
the
Cave
Creek
System
we
had
them
taking
out
and
we
actually
our
standard
for
the
town
is
that
the
meter
is
plus
or
minus
three
percent.
It's
considered
inaccurate
of
the
106
meters
that
we
tested
last
year
in
the
Cave
Creek
of
the
The
non-neptine
Meters.
Q
B
Q
But
we
still
have
probably
about
half
the
system
is
the
40
50s
and
60s,
and
those
make
up
the
bulk
of
the
ones
that
are,
you
know,
10,
plus
years
old,
getting
up
to
17
years
old.
So
that's
an
issue
for
us
and
the
itron
system
doesn't
allow
us
to
do
some
of
the
things
like
the
high
water
use
data
recording
that
we
get
or
notification
that
we
get
are
the
of
the
Neptune
system,
because
it's
it's
actually
tied
to
a
different
meter.
Q
It's
not
tied
to
it's,
not
a
Neptune
radio
tied
to
a
Neptune
meter,
so
they're
more
compatible
that
way.
So
it's
another
advantage
of
moving
away
from
the
itron
system
and
getting
to
a
unified
system
with
the
Neptunes
and
Neptune
I
think
has
worked
very
well
for
the
town
and
I
believe
that's
the
best
opportunity
for
us
before
the
meters
themselves.
What
we're
looking
to
do
is
a
Cooperative
purchase
agreement
off
of
a
Goodyear
contract.
Goodyear
is
also
a
Neptune
meter
system.
Q
The
one-inch
meter
bodies
themselves,
there
has
been
cost
increases
the
way
these
contracts
are
structured,
and
we
thought
that
Goodyear
was
the
best
one
for
us
to
piggyback
on
right
now
was
that
they
do
allow
for
the
the
every
year
for
the
vendor
to
come
back
and
ask
for
a
price
increase.
In
this
case,
the
one-inch
meters
have
gone
up
to
328
dollars
per
unit,
partly
because
of
the
technology.
The
chips
have
gone
up
and
actually
the
cost
of
the
brass
and
meters
themselves
have
gone
up.
Q
So
we're
factoring
that
in
so
we're
going
to
come
forward
with
the
new
capital
Improvement
program.
We'll
look
for
that.
If
we
to
change
out
the
rest
of
the
meters,
the
cost
will
be
a
little
bit
more
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
the
system.
But
again
tonight's
action
is
really
the
the
starting
of
the
contract
and
getting
the
contract
in
place,
and
we
thought
that
we'd
ask
for
the
authority
to
allow
us
to
do
what
we
thought
was
the
bulk
of
the
program
at
the
time.
Q
But
we
might
have
to
come
back
and
amend
that
and
as
far
as
installation,
what
we've
been
doing-
and
we
don't
need
a
separate
contract
for
this-
is
we've
been
using
an
outside
agency
called
metering,
Services
they're
based
out
of
Tempe
and
that's
all
they
do-
is
meter
testing
and
meteor
and
installation.
So
it's
worked
out
very
effectively.
So,
as
we
come
up
with
a
list
of
meters
to
be
changed
out
right
now,
our
staff
will
go
out,
make
sure
we
can
find
the
Box
clean.
Q
The
box
out
for
the
metering
Services
can
then
to
come.
Do
the
change.
You
know,
because
is
the
information,
so
it's
proved
very
effective.
It
also
frees
up
our
staff
time
because
it
is
Staff
intensive
to
actually
go
out
and
do
all
the
the
leg
work
I
was
going
out
to
the
meter
box
is
is
more
quickly.
We
could
do
it
more
efficiently
and
get
it
to
the
point
where
the
contractor
they
can't
come
in
and
do
the
work
and
they
charges
right
now
at
25
dollars
per
meter
to
test.
Q
If
we
want
to
get
a
test
report
out
of
it
or
75
dollars
to
actually
change
it
out,
so
that's
part
of
the
cost
of
the
program,
but
at
this
point
we
don't
we
can
I
think
within
the
we
can
do
that
within
the
confines
of
the
count,
Town
manager's
authority,
to
do
this
program
so
we're
trying
to
start
up
the
current
fiscal
year
at
the
start
of
the
meter
replacement
program.
We
have
not
done
it
before.
Q
We
have
been
more
reactive,
I've
mentioned
300
plus
meters
in
the
Cave
Creek
system,
or
have
been
changed
out
to
Neptune
meters.
We've
done
that
over
the
last
three
years
since
I've
been
here
just
as
meters
have
been
failed
and
the
the
we
would
get
together
with
staff,
as
the
re-read
list
got
large
we'd
identify
a
way
to
fund
that
and
get
it
done
within
the
operational
budgets.
Q
Now
we
have
a
capital
program
available,
so
we're
trying
to
kick
off
this
Capital
project
for
for
Council
we're
trying
to
go
to
a
proactive
approach
to
changing
out
our
meters.
We
also
want
to
look
towards
doing
more
metering
testing.
That's
also
the
of
the
existing
Cave
Creek
meters.
We
want
to
go
and
help
us
focus
on
where
we
want
to
be
changing
meters
out.
We
still
have
you
know
over
2000
meters
to
change
on
the
system,
so
where's
the
best
place.
Q
We
can
go
by
the
age
of
the
radios
or
we
can
actually
start
looking
at
meters
by
meter,
body
ages
and
stuff
like
that
and
identifying
where
we
can
best
focus
our
efforts
as
well
as
we
want
to
go
back
to
and
test
the
Neptune
system.
That's
actually
existing
in
cave
in
Desert
Hills.
It
is
starting
to
get
close
to
10
years
old
in
some
cases.
Q
So
the
action
we've
put
on
for
recommendation
Council
was
to
do
a
Cooperative
purchase
agreement.
My
initial
thought
was
we'd,
come
in
at
this
at
least
at
this
time,
and
ask
for
the
the
ability
to
utilize
this
contracts
actually
for
a
four-year
period.
It's
not
700
000
in
one
year,
it's
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
of
the
capital
program
and
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
over
the
next
four
years,
which
I
would
expect
to
be
new
meter
installations
because
we
currently
buy
those
meters
and
then
we
install
them.
Q
We
charge
the
customer
for,
but
we
actually
have
to
pay
for
that
out
of
our
operational
budget
and
it
comes
as
a
revenue
offset.
So
that's
why
the
extra
hundred
thousand
dollars,
but
if
Council
wants
we
could
we
could.
You
could
reduce
that
and
just
give
me
one
year's
worth
of
authority
to
start
the
program
and
then,
when
I
come
back
to
ask
for
next
year's
Authority
I
can
give
you
an
update
on
where
we
are
with
the
program.
I
also
will
do
that
with
the
capital
program.
Q
Also,
so
leave
that
at
the
council's
discretion,
if
you
want
to
allow
us
all
this
I
do
point
out
that
I
do
want
to
point
out.
The
town
did
made
a
Grant
application
to
the
water
smart
program
of
the
EPA
for
an
additional
five
hundred
thousand
dollars,
and
that
was
to
allow
us
to
do
the
full
conversion
to
an
Ami
metering
system,
so
that
would
give
us
1.1
million
dollars
to
work
with.
We
have
not
received
a
notification
if
we
receive
those
Grant
funds,
we
hope
we
do.
Q
Now,
no,
the
Neptune
meters
are
actually
combat
compatible.
The
the
the
Neptune,
the
new
Neptune
meters
have
a
one
watt,
radio
in
them,
so
they're
compatible
with
fixed
radio
receiver
units
and
they're
they're
used.
So
they
can
do
that,
and
Neptune
also
has
a
cellular
option
of
a
radio,
and
that's
our
talking
discussions
with
Neptune.
They
recommended
we'd
go
with
a
hybrid
system,
so
we'd
have
a
few
fixed
base
stations,
picking
up
some
meters
and
then
the
ones
we
have
in
outline
areas.
We
had
a
cellular
radio
too.
Q
Q
Right
now,
I
do
not
believe
we
have
a
replacement
cost
fee
in
our
schedule.
We
have
a
new
one
new.
When
we
do
new
meter
install,
we
actually
have
a
fee
for
that
and
that's
part
of
what
we've
been
focused
on
the
the
rating
capacity
study,
we're
actually
also
looking
at
our
fees.
So
currently
we
charge
it
I
think
it's
250
dollars
for
a
meter
for
installation
regardless
of
size,
and
that's
actually
something
we
want
to
correct
it's
in
town
codes.
Q
Q
Oh
sorry,
yeah
I
was
thinking
this.
If
you,
you
know,
that's
actually
yeah,
that's
that's
the
fee
that
we're
charging
to
the
contractor
to
help
us
do
the
installation
work.
So,
instead
of
our
staff
going
out
and
doing
the
work
to
change
out
the
meter
body
and
install
the
new
one,
we
have
a
contractor.
Do
that
work
that
that
has
proven
effective,
they're
very
efficient
at
doing
that,
and
they
can
get
it
a
lot
more
done
more
efficiently
than
our
staff.
Can
it
allows
our
staff
to
do
other
work
so.
O
Q
Yeah
not
quite
that
much
but
yeah,
it's
it's
getting
up
there,
but
then
what
we
propose
to
do
that
is
because
we
do
batches
of
meters.
We'd
have
them
come
out,
and
then
I'd
worked
with
the
town
within
the
towns
manager,
authorities
how
we've
been
doing
it
and
the
last
meter
change
that
they
did
for
us.
They
did
100
meters
for
just
over
five
thousand
dollars.
I
think
it
was
the
fee,
so
I
think
we
we
don't
need
to
have
Council
authority
to
do
that.
J
Right
so,
with
the
five
say,
a
five
percent
saving,
it's
gonna
with
the
numbers
you
utilized,
it
was
saved
to
something,
but
then
it
was
30
percent
had
an
issue
of
the
meters
that
had
been
tested.
So
I
said
five
percent
working
everything
out.
It
came
out
to
be
something
like
a
a
10-year
Payback
for
the
700
000,
plus
the
200
plus
thousand
dollars
for
installation,
which
would
be
what
half
half
the
service
life
of
the
meter.
Typically.
Q
The
meters
and
it's
you
have
the
meter
Body
service
life,
and
then
you
have
the
radio
antenna
life,
but
it's
it's
effective
to
actually
change
about
at
the
same
time,
if
you're
doing
them
both
and
it's
about
10
years.
This
is
a
good
rule
of
thumb.
Again,
we've
ours
are
pushed
a
little
bit
longer.
You
would
want
to
look
at
usage,
but
yeah
10
years
is
a
return
on
investment.
So
if
we
can
get
10
years
worth
of
Revenue,
then
we'll
be
back
looking
at
this
again.
Q
I
think
for
our
industry
yeah,
you
know
if
we're
if
we
can
recapture
the
cost
of
that
device,
knowing
that
moving
forward
and
then
obviously
we
I
got
a
little
confused
earlier
the
conversation.
But
you
know
we
obviously
want
the
cut
to
cut
new
customers
to
pay
for
the
meter
outright,
which
currently
we're
we're.
Not
getting
that
because
we
haven't
captured
that
fee.
But
there's.
J
Also
other
money
that
it
wasn't
really
accounted
for
and
that's
all
of
the
tending
that
takes
place
now,
because
there's
so
many
of
the
meters
that
are
either
failing
or
not
operating
properly.
So
you
know
my
10-year
payback
has
probably
incorrect.
It's
probably
lower
than
that,
because
if
once
the
meters
are
replaced,
one
can
assume
that
they
need
to
tend
them.
Well,
not
the
as
significant
as
it
is
at
the
present
time.
Q
Correct
yeah-
and
that's
that's
one
of
the
reasons
I'm
really
pushing
for
the
program
to
move
forward
with-
is
that
yeah,
the
amount
of
staff
time
that
we're
spending
in
the
The
Cave
Creek
system
on
the
meter
component
is
is
taking
up
an
excessive
amount
of
staff.
Time,
in
my
mind,
is
keeping
the
staff
away
from
doing
other
things.
In
the
last
few
years,
the
staff
have
been
really
working
towards
doing
things
like
proactively
and
and
quickly
getting
to
leaks
service
line.
Q
Leaks,
Mainline
leaks,
Etc
that
in
the
past
they
never
had
the
ability
to
do
that.
So
we've
moved
towards
that
direction,
but
when
we
have
to
take
effectively
stop
everything
one
week
out
of
the
year
out
one
week
out
of
the
month,
read
meters
that
that
means
we
only
have
three
weeks
to
do
everything
else.
That.
J
We
have
to
do
I
kind
of
look
at
staff
as
almost
as
scarce
resource.
You've
only
got
just
so
many
and
if
they
have
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
doing
maintenance
this
and
that
with
meters
that
are
not
working
properly,
then
anytime,
anytime,
you
can
redirect
them
to
more.
Productive
activities
is
a
good
thing.
So
my
10-year
thing,
I
cut
it
to
seven
years,
then
probably
cut
it
down
to
about
a
five
year,
payback
in
reality.
Considering
the
savings
and
staff
time,
which
I
think
is
not
a
bad,
not
a
bad
deal.
J
J
Q
Q
D
Q
F
Q
So
what
I'm
asking
for
is
the
council
authority
to
make
the
ex
to
have
the
expenditure
Authority
with
core
main
for
up
to
700
000
over
four
years?
The
meter
replacement
program
is
six
hundred
thousand
of
that.
The
extra
hundred
thousand
was
actually
for
us
to
make
purchases
with
core
main
for
new
meters
to
add
inventory,
to
stock
to
the
system.
So
we
have
been
typically
running
around
twenty
to
thirty
thousand
dollars
worth
of
new
meters
being
purchased
for
the
systems.
Q
This
gives
us
the
ability
to
work
with
this
contractor
and
gives
us
that
little
extra
buffer.
That's
what
that
extra
hundred
thousand.
So
that's
not
the
hundred
thousand
for
doing
installation.
It's
just
an
additional
capacity
for
us
to
work
with
corn
main
contractually,
so
their
contract
is
funded.
Two
ways,
one
view
the
capital
program,
which
is
our
replacement
and
then
during
the
operational
funds,
because
we
we
have
to
pay
for
the
new
meters.
We
install
them
for
customers,
and
then
we
get
reimbursed
through
revenue
from
the
customers.
Q
F
I
think
you
would
also
mention
that
if
we
were
to
say
and
approve
175
000
per
year,
they're
just
for
one
year-
and
you
come
back
for
three
subsequent
years,
based
on
what
price
of
copper
has
done-
inflation
labor
Etc
that
would
be
150,
000,
plus
25
000..
Would
you
be
amenable
to
that
175
for
one
year
and
then
coming
back
and
adjusting
those
numbers?
I'm
assuming
they'd,
be
higher
for
the
three
subsequent
years.
Q
Yeah
I
think
that's
and
I
probably
should
have
put
that
in
the
council
report
that
is
as
an
option.
Yeah
I
think
that
would
still
allow
us
the
capacity
we
need
to
work
with
chloramine
right
now
and
to
kick
off
with
the
funding
that
we
have
right
now
and
to
start
the
program
really.
The
goal
is
to
start
the
program.
Q
S
Q
H
Q
It's
from
administrative
standpoint
asking
Council
to
do
it
once
and
then
we
just
manage
the
staff
for
the
next
four
years
and
then
we'd
only
be
coming
back.
If
we
need
more
appropriation,
Authority
I.E,
the
the
cost
of
the
meters
have
gone
up
or
if,
if
we
want
to
fund
a,
if
we
get
the
grant
fund,
then
so
I'll
actually
come
back
and
pay
for
the
additional
cost
of
of
adding
the
Ami
component
to
the
system.
So
I'll
be
coming
back
to
council
I
anticipate.
Q
A
A
18,
so
so,
basically
that
that
those
errors
in
the
Under
reporting
are
actually
some
of
the
water
losses
that
we
don't
know
where
they
are
to
begin
with.
So
it
looked
like
this
whole
program
would
help
us
get
a
handle
on
on
actual
losses
of
water
that
we're
bringing
up
in
the
canal.
That
just
disappears
as
it
stands.
Now
that
are
accurate.
Q
Yes,
that
is
true.
This
is
we.
We
have
to
account
for
the
water
that
we
bring
up,
we
deliver
and
then
treat
and
then
deliver
to
our
customers.
So
the
metering
accuracy
is
a
component
of
that,
so
that
that
goes
into
our
annual
reporting,
with
the
Arizona
Department
of
Water
Resources,
so
yeah
and
again,
when
meters
fail,
they
fail
and
they
under
report
so
effectively.
They
always
fail
on
the
customer
side
of
the
equation.
Okay,
so
I.
A
Q
D
L
I
think
when
this
program
needs
to
be
systematic,
you
and
I
talked
about
this.
There's
no
reason
that
the
maintenance
time
the
Personnel
time,
the
amount
of
Revenue
we
lose
because
we're
under
measuring
it.
Those
things
are
all
numbers,
they're
economic
numbers.
These
things
are
always
done
off
economics
and
I
150
000
is
a
budget
number
pulled
out
of
the
air.
L
We
need
a
real
number
based
on
real
economics
and
so
I
firmly
believe
that
this
ought
to
be
a
pilot
amount
of
money
to
get
us
off
of
the
precipice
with
these
failures
and
to
get
enough
information
to
make
an
economic
decision.
What
is
truly
an
economic
situation
so
I'm
in
favor
of
a
funding,
the
150
and
then
coming
back
next
time
and
with
a
program
that
is
measured.
If
it's
not
measured,
it's
not
managed.
That's
the
that's.
My
Mantra.
L
L
G
Only
my
only
comment
is
I.
You
know
I'm
glad
that
Sean
is
willing
to
be
flexible
with
us,
but
you
know
time
is
money
yes,
and
for
him
to
have
to
write
a
report
and
present
it
to
us
once
a
year
on
a
program
that
he
has
Justified
seems
to
me
to
be
a
waste
of
his
time
and
hours.
So
I
trust
him.
I
trust
his
administrative
abilities
and
I
think
that
we
should
move
ahead
with
the
entire
amount
because
he's
not
going
to
spend
it
all
at
once.
J
Q
No,
as
I
mentioned,
we're
doing
a
Cooperative
purchase
on
an
existing
contract
at
the
City
of
Goodyear
has
negotiated.
They
went
through
a
procurement
process
because
Goodyear
has
a
Neptune
metering
based
system.
They
want
to
add
they
want
to
have
a
long-term
project
in
place.
So
that's
a
unit
price
is
what
what's
in
the
contract,
it's
a
price
per
meter
type
per
meter
body.
It's
a.
We
use
a
Neptune
T10
meter
with
an
r900
radio
antenna
on
top
of
it.
Q
That's
in
the
in
the
value
of
the
contract
and
every
year
the
contract
allows
them
the
vendor
to
come
back
and
come
back
with
a
new
price
scheme
as
long
as
justifiable,
and
if
Goodyear
agrees
to
it,
then
that's
what
we're
agreeing
to
so.
The
prices
I
showed
you
for
the
328
dollars
is
the
current
price
for
this
fiscal
year.
They
follow
the
same
fiscal
year
with
us
for
City
of
Goodyear.
It
may
go
up
next
year.
Q
Q
J
Q
R
L
H
G
J
Q
Yeah
the
authority
in
that
versus
the
actual
funds.
The
funds
come
through
the
budgeting
and
capital
process.
So
right
now,
I
have
150
000
to
spend
this
fiscal
year.
Council
has
authorized
or
a
given
past
us
with
spending
that
money.
So
this
is
the
contract
it
allow
me
to
spend
I
can't
expend
the
700
right
now,
because
I
don't
have
that
in
the
budget.
We've.
L
Well,
I
mean
I,
I,
guess
in
a
point
of
order,
we're
he
has
authority
to
spend
150
000
if
he
doesn't
have
a
contract.
Now
we're
going
to
have
the
contract
by
which
he
can
spend
150
000.
Okay,
that's
for
this
year,
the
other
money
has
to
be
re
has
to
be
approved
in
next
year's
budget,
the
one
fall
net,
the
one
fall
Nets
over
there
at
least
three
other
Financial
approvals
between
us
and
the
end
of
the
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars.
G
A
G
D
H
H
H
D
S
E
D
Q
Thank
you,
American
Council,
so
in
interest
of
time,
because
I
know
we
have
a
long
agenda,
I've
got
a
lot
of
charts
in
the
report.
I'll
go
through
that
quickly
and
just
point
out,
maybe
some
some
things
that
might
jump
out
and
really
get
more
of
the
meat
which
is
in
my
mind
that
the
the
projects.
But
let
me
stop
me
at
any
time
if
you
want
some
more
information.
Q
So
we
start
off
by
talking
about
our
looking
at
our
graph
of
our
breakdown
of
our
cap,
water
supplies
and
where
that's
going
to
and
that's
the
customers,
the
orange
bar
being
the
Cave
Creek
Carefree
customers,
Desert
Hills
is
the
red
and
then
the
deliveries
to
Rancho
Manana
are
on
top
of
that.
So
this
is
showing
the
same
Trend
that
we've
seen
for
a
while.
So
it's
a
typical
we're
starting
to
drop
down
in
September.
Q
It's
usage
drops
as
weather,
drops
down
this
one
we're
trying
to
look
at
more
of
the
revenue
side
of
things,
we're
trying
to
look
at
the
gap
between
what
goes
into
the
system
and
we
call
it
non-revenue
water
and
what
we're
actually
billed
for.
So
this
is
actually
one
of
the
things
that
we
could
close
up,
that
Gap
with
We
Believe,
with
a
a
better
metering
in
the
main
system.
We've
been
showing
this
for
over
a
year
now,
so
that
the
trend
has
been
about
saying,
there's
a
gap
in
the
system.
Q
In
this
case
we've
got,
the
Orange
is
showing
the
Cave
Creek
Carefree
deliveries,
the
Desert
Hills
tie-in,
that's
the
water
that
we
deliver
to
carefree
and
then
the
treated
water,
that's
actually
comes
out
of
the
plant.
So
it's
just
showing
a
difference
between
the
non-revenue
versus
the
Billings
at
the
treatment
plant
and
by
source.
Q
This
one
caught
my
eye
and
in
in
July
and
I,
was
trying
to
remember
what
actually
happened
when
we
had
this
little
Spike
up.
You
can
see
that
in
this
case
the
green
bar
is
actually
trending
closer
and
we
attribute
that
to
the
metering
out
in
Desert,
Hills
being
better.
We
met
Desert
Hills.
Actually
just
has
the
three
Wells
that
go
into
the
system,
and
then
we
have
the
interconnect
site
with
Cave
Creek.
Q
So
we
just
actually
have
to
combine
those
four
meters
for
our
production
totals
and
then
we
actually
then
use
the
Neptune
metering
data
to
get
to
a
customer
building
data
set,
but
I
looked
into
it
and
I
couldn't
really
figure
out
why
we
had
that
sort
of
Gap
up
here
in
July.
So
I
can't
answer
that
question,
but
typically
this
one
does
Trend
better
than
the
Cave
Creek
and
we
contribute
that
back
to
the
metering
and
Cave
Creek
we
actually
attribute
part
of
that
loss
is
going
back
to.
Q
Q
Q
It
goes
into
the
Paul
trailers
and
then
sort
of
the
midpoint
it
actually
enters
into
the
Old
West
Tech
filter
assembly
room,
and
then
we
have
a
couple
of
different
sub
meters
that
we
meter
that
at
and
that
actually
gives
us
what
we
consider
the
calculated
value
of
the
water
that
we're
bringing
into
the
plant
versus
what
we're
pushing
back
out
to
the
system.
Because
there
is
one
meter
that
there's
actually
two
meters
that
read
the
flows.
Q
And
this
just
shows
a
trend
of
of
where
we've
seen
an
issue
for
a
while,
which
goes
back
to
the
meter
at
the
canal,
is
an
older
type
of
insertion
type
meter
in
the
meter.
And
that's
we
meter
that.
But
then,
if
you
actually
total
up
the
other
meters,
there's
always
going
to
be
an
accuracy
as
you
as
you
total
grouping
of
meters.
But
we
think
that
there's
a
bit
of
a
problem
with
that
meter.
That
we
need
to
address.
Q
We
have
money
in
this
year's
Capital
program,
we're
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
get
in
there,
because
it's
to
put
the
meter
in
at
the
cap
boost
your
Pump
Station
means
we
have
to
take
the
pipeline
out
of
service
because
we
actually
have
to
cut
in
a
MAG
meter.
That's
actually
the
preferred
standard
and
remove
the
the
insertion,
meter
and
I'm
I'm
working
with
contractors
to
see
if
we
can
do
it
this
year.
Q
If
we
have
to
wait
till
after
the
Phoenix
interconnects
done,
and
we
can
actually
do
the
work
and
take
the
pipeline
down
out
of
service
because
it
may
be
down
for
over
a
days
worth
of
work,
trying
to
cram
that
work
into
one
day
might
be
too
difficult.
But
it's
something
we
need
to
look
forward
to.
We
need
to
get
done,
it's
just
one.
We
can
do
it
safely
for
the
town.
Q
Yes,
this
is
one
we've
been
looking
at.
A
lot
is
our
distribution
by
losses,
so
the
red
bars
is
our
flushing
program
and
we
have
to
flush
the
system
just
because
the
nature
of
the
Cave
Creek
System,
it's
got
It's
a
Long
dead,
end
lines
in
a
lot
of
cases
and
to
keep
good
water
quality.
We
have
to
flush
those
lines
out
because
our
customers
and
the
customer
connections
are
far
between
a
lot
of
areas.
Q
We
don't
get
a
lot
of
consumption
on
on
a
lot
of
the
lines,
especially
we
have
a
12
inch
line
that
runs
up
spur
Cross
Road
that
has,
while
there's
some
customers
in
that
area.
It's
actually
our
pressure.
Zone
Seven,
the
upper
end
of
pressure,
Zone
Seven,
there's
compared
to
the
volume
of
water.
In
that
12
inch
line.
It's
not
much.
Q
We
continuously
have
to
flush
that
one
out,
so
you
can
see
the
bar
and
there
is
usually
a
jump
when
we
get
close
to
the
quarterly
reports
when
we
actually
want
to
do
our
quarterly
compliance
sampling.
We
want
to
bring
your
attention
to
is
the
orange
at
the
bottom
and
that's
actually
the
water
leaks
and
when
I
first
saw
this
graph,
I
questioned
a
staff
and
then
we
went
through
the
data
set
and
it
has.
Q
You
can
see
it's
very
low
at
the
bottom,
because
that
shows
how
proactive
the
staff
have
been
on
getting
top
of
leaks
in
the
past.
It
was
sometimes
very
difficult.
The
staff
didn't
have
the
tools
and
we
had
you
know
the
staff
resources
to
get
onto
things
like
service
line
leaks
were
things
that
we're
actually
adding
up
to
considerable
amounts
of
water
losses
in
the
system,
the
staff
weren't
able
to
get
to
them
and
they
would
linger
for
a
while,
with
the
tools
that
we
have
now.
Staff
are
getting
to
that.
Q
Typically,
we
see
two
seasonal
changes
and
the
the
ground
shifts,
as
the
temperature
changes
seems
to
be
an
issue
for
our
pipelines
because
of
the
poor
betting.
So
next
core
you
will
see
the
you
know
that
orange
bar
will
get
very
big
to
account.
For
these
two
leaks.
We
had
the
six
inch
line
in
Cave
Creek
Road,
which
you're
seeing
on
the
left
hand
side.
Q
In
that
case,
because
of
the
way
the
pipe
work
is
in
the
main,
Town
core,
it
was
hard
for
the
staff
to
even
isolate
the
line,
let
alone
we
actually
had
to.
We
had
we're
lucky
to
have
a
hydro
excavator
working
on
the
Wastewater
side
that
we
actually
had
finished
up,
was
able
to
clean
itself
out
and
help
us
out
right
away
and
get
on
top
of
that.
Q
But
it
was
a
challenge
for
the
staff,
because
we
couldn't
get
a
good
shutdown
in
town
Corps
and
we
had
to
work
around
existing
utilities
and
but
the
staff
stuck
with
it
and
got
it
done
the
other
leak
you're,
seeing
on
the
the
right
hand,
side,
you're,
seeing
sort
of
the
swimming
pool
that
we
dug
on
the
south
side
of
Cave
Creek,
wash
by
Cloud
Road
alignment.
We
have
a
six
inch
line
that
runs
across
there.
Q
It
feeds
approximately
I
think
13
customers
on
the
north
side
of
the
Washington
arroy
estate,
Road
the
loop
up
there
and
that
broke
it's
quite
ironic.
We
could
actually
see
it
directly
on
our
Neary
booster
station
site.
Ramped
up,
you
can
see
the
leak
occurring,
so
we
actually
have
a
good
counting
of
the
water
usage
because
we
can
actually
calculate
when
it
occurred.
In
that
case,
there
was
a
valve
just
out
of
the
picture
there.
Q
We
were
able
to
isolate
it
and
and
stop
that
leak
very
quickly,
but
it
took
us
a
day
and
working
with
our
partner
with
Larson
excavation
who
was
able
that's
their
piece
of
equipment.
To
dig
this
up.
You
can
see
that
that
trench,
that
opening
that
pool
is
about
12
feet,
deep
about
15
feet
wide
and
about
25
30
feet
long.
So,
yes,
I.
J
J
Q
Is
a
combination
of
a
couple
of
things
you
you
are
seeing
the
the
white
line
in
the
large
excavation
on
Cave
Creek
wash
is
the
older
is
we
refer
to
as
thin
wall
PVC
pipe?
It
actually
is
it's
pressure,
rated
typically
to
160
180
pounds
of
pressure,
but,
unlike
the
newer
words,
a
class
rated
where
they
actually
tested
the
four
times
the
working
pressure
160
is
actually
the
operating
upside
limit.
On
that
bike,
the
white
pipe
versus
the
blue,
the
blue,
is
called
c900
pipe.
Q
The
c900
is
about
twice
the
thickness,
the
wall
thickness
for
that
six
inch
piece
of
pipe
and
what
you're
seeing
there
might
be
hard
in
that
photo,
there's
a
bit
of
a
kink
to
the
line.
What
actually
we
believe
happened
and
what
we
found
was
that
the
lines
that
had
decided
as
it
goes
towards
the
embankment
and
Dives
down
the
bedding
material
there
was
actually
we
had
to
use
the
excavator,
because
some
of
the
holders
are
actually
the
size
of
the
bucket.
Q
They
just
dug
this
out
and
they
put
everything
back
on
the
hole
the
pipe
was
constrained
and,
as
there
were
settlement,
it
happened.
It
actually
bent,
and
actually
the
that
linear
crack
was
about
16
feet
long
on
that
pipe.
It
started
at
the
Bell
right
at
the
top
at
the
end
and
just
went
its
way
down
the
pipe
16
feet.
So
we
had
to
poke
the
entire
section
out.
Q
You
can
see
that
the
the
misalignment
of
the
joints
actually
shows
you
how
far
that
pipe
was
actually
being
bowed
over
top
the
the
immovable
bedding
and
just
cracked.
It
finally
gave
way.
So
we
we
run
into
a
lot
of
the
issues
is
really
I
truly
a
lot
of
it.
The
the
pipe
would
be
would
survive
a
lot
better
if
it
embedded
properly,
but
we
don't
have
the
luxury
of
having
good
bedding.
Q
Q
Yeah
and
I'll
give
my
credit
to
my
crew.
This
happened
in
one
week
day
apart
and
they
stuck
with
him
both
times
and
got
them
done.
So
you
know
we
worked
in
the
second
one
we
had
to
bring
in
outside
contractor
Larson
excavation,
who
was
able
to
bring
their
equipment
out
mobilize
very
quickly
and
help
us
out,
but
both
cases
are
our
crews.
F
B
F
E
Q
Q
Like
the
smaller
excavation
on
on
the
the
left,
that
was
completely
backfilled
with
AV
material
and
didn't
make
sense
to
do
any
native,
so
everything
that
got
hauled
out
well.
Actually,
since
we
vacuum
excavated
it,
it
all
got
hauled
off
site
anyways
to
begin
with,
but
yeah
I'm,
not
showing
the
the
pile
of
material
that
they
actually
had
to
excavate
out
is
sitting
next
to
that
excavator
off
of
a
photo
and
it's
it's
size
that
hole
yeah.
Q
That's
the
abandoned
gas
line.
Okay,
so
there
is
the
new
gas
line
that
I
understand.
We
had
the
opportunity
to
partner
with,
but
we
chose
not
to
several
years
ago,
there's
actually
about
just
off
the
frame
about
10
feet
to
the
the
west
of
that
where
it
crosses
the
wash.
So
this
is
the
second
break
on
this
line
since
I've
been
here,
the
other
wash
was
in
the
bottom
I.
Q
Q
So
this
is
their
Wastewater
flows
to
at
the
Water
Ranch.
The
last
few
years
we've
seen,
we
haven't
been
able
to
see
a
regular
pattern.
Besides
for
the
larger
ones.
Obviously
we
started
with
covid
and
it's
it
really
drastically
changed
our
Wastewater
flows
in
the
town.
We,
except
for
the
fact
that
we,
you
know
we
we
are
less
in
the
summer.
We
we
peak
in
the
winter
time,
so
that's
both
also
the
the
liquid
flow
and
the
the
loadings
and
the
the
amount
of
material
that
we're
having
the
tree
changes.
Q
Q
This
is
a
one
of
the
biggest
water
customers
on
the
town
system
is
actually
the
water
we
deliver
for
irrigation
to
The
Ranch
Community
on
a
golf
course,
so
that
this
slide
just
gives
everybody
an
example
of
where
the
water
comes
in.
They
come
into
that
East
Lake.
We
we
have
a
water
line
from
our
water
treatment
plant,
as
well
as
our
effluent
line
from
oast
water
treatment
plant
that
deliver
water
and
then
Cascade
down,
and
they
they
take.
Water
are
out
of
the
West
Lake,
but
we
do
actually
have
an
overflow.
Q
So
we
do
monitor
that
overflow
of
the
water
that
actually,
if
they
don't
use
it,
because
we
don't
have
a
place
to
store
the
water
it
overflows
and
it's
it's
a
Water
Resource
that
we
do
lose.
That's
what
we're
trying
to
track
on
this
chart
here,
and
this
is
the
amount
of
water.
Actually,
it's
not
doesn't
show
the
water
water
flows,
but
this
is
the
deliveries
to
the
lake
system
itself,
showing
the
three
components
that
we
sent
to
them.
So
the
bottom
orange
is
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
flows.
Q
The
red
is
the
the
Water
Treatment
Camp,
it's
the
wash
backwash
water
from
the
Trident
filters,
and
it
includes
the
bypass
water
for
the
Palm
membranes
because
the
Palm
membranes
they
they
don't
like
the
fixed
flow
of
our
delivery
system
up
there.
So
we
do
generate
some
loss
because
of
that
and
then,
at
certain
times
of
the
year,
they
they.
Q
The
golf
courses
to
golf
course
sorry
does
request
raw
cap
Waters
to
make
up,
especially
during
the
summer
time,
because
their
Lakes
Get
Low
this
summer
got
fairly
low
because
we
couldn't
keep
up
with
their
demands,
their
irrigation
demands
and
that's
the
the
blue
on
top.
It
will
change
very
quickly
on
us
because
they'll
be
suddenly
taking
deliveries
and
if
we
have
a
good
Monsoon
storm,
the
Lakes
Washi
fill
up
very
quickly
and
their
demand
drops.
Q
So
we
have
to
manage
this
and
we
actually
have
staff
go
out
and
watch
and
monitor
the
Lakes
themselves.
We
both
look
at
the
Overflow
value
at
the
Weir
structure
and-
and
we
actually
physically
get
eyes
on
it
once
a
week
to
see
where
they're
at
and
communicate
with
them-
and
this
is
something
we've
been
working
with
again.
Q
We
can
only
send
it
up
the
pipeline,
so
you
can
see
in
August
when
they
we
had
some
wet
Monsoon
storms.
Their
irrigation
demand
dropped
considerably.
They
didn't
need
to
irrigate,
but
we
couldn't
change
our
flows
to
them
and
the
chart
before.
Actually
just
the
week
before
the
monsoon
storms,
we
were
trying
to
help
them
keep
up,
so
we
were
actually
delivering
them
around
cap
water
and
we
had
to
turn
that
off.
As
soon
as
the
monsoons
came.
Q
Q
We
measure
the
Overflow,
which
is
the
orange
bar
and
the
the
red
is
a
calculated
evaporation.
We
actually
have
a
evaporation
pond
in
Maricopa
County
has
and
puts
online.
The
data
is
actually
from
Lake
Pleasant,
so
fairly
close,
so
we
try
to
come
up
with.
What's
going
into
that
and
we've
started
conversations
with
them
about
how
we
can
make
that
system
more
efficient.
Part
of
that
is
going
to
be
on
the
town
side,
to
figure
out
how
we
can
control
our
deliveries
to
them
better.
Q
Jumping
into
our
regulatory
side,
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
to
do
is
protect
the
water
system
from
people
sending
stuff
back
to
us.
We
want
to
give
it
to
our
customers
and
build
them
for
it,
but
we
don't
want
the
stuff
coming
back
at
us.
So
that's
our
backflow
program
we
do
have
using
outside
vendor
BSI
online
is
the
firm
that
we
work
with.
So
we
set
the
accounts
up
and
then
what
happens
is
that
the
annual
backflows
inspection
reports
get
sent
out
to
the
customers.
Q
The
customers
then
have
someone
complete
that
and
then
upload
it
into
the
system.
So
we
track
that
so
we're
about
70,
70
compliant,
so
they'll
get
a
notice.
They'll
get
a
couple
of
notices
on
that,
and
typically
I
will
follow
up
with
them
on
that.
But,
overall,
the
system
is
working,
pretty
good
for
us.
It's
we're
not
looking
to
do
any
major
revamps
to
the
system
and
we
have
just
under
700
devices
that
are
part
of
that
program.
Q
I've
talked
about
several
times
and
we're
still
just
working
on
the
finalizing
it
which
is
working
on
the
town's
pre-treatment
program.
So
that's
on
the
Wastewater
side.
So
again,
on
the
water
side,
we
want
to
prevent
people
from
bringing
sending
stuff
back
into
the
water
system
to
keep
it
a
sealed,
secure
sanitary
sealed
system,
the
Wastewater
side.
We
want
to
work
with
those
customers
that
could
be
potentially
contributing
to
the
Wastewater
flows
that
any
material
that
could
damage
either
the
collection
system
or
the
treatment
process
itself
is
our
wastewater
treatment
plant?
Q
That's
that's
our
pre-treatment
program.
So
we've
been
working
for
the
last
few
months
with
a
firm,
called
Western
environmental
to
look
at
that
program
to
come
up
with
some
better
practices.
For
us,
we've
been
we're
supposed
to
have
a
second
demonstration,
we're
looking
at
a
software
package
to
help
us
manage
that
similar
to
BSI
online.
What
BSI
does
not
do
it
where
we
would
set
the
program
up
and
then
the
all
the
information
would
be
collected
and
managed
by
the
online
software
in
a
database
right
now,
we've
been
using
spreadsheets
and
folders.
Q
So
if
you
become
more
efficient
and
then
the
the
the
hauling
people
who
do
the
work
within
just
upload
their
information,
we
can
send
all
the
notifications
out
through
that
system.
So
we've
completed
the
inventory,
we've
looked
at
some
best
management
practices.
Who
will
get
that
information
out
we're
talking
about
actually
having
all
the
people
as
part
of
the
program
actually
enter
into
new
contracts?
So
we
they
understand
the
limitations
and
what
they're
responsible
for
to
basically
do
a
reset
on
the
program
is
what
we're
looking
to
do.
Q
Q
The
Carefree
disconnect
project
is
still
working
ahead,
as
Kerry
alluded
to
and
I
get
the
slide
next,
we'll
show
the
disconnect
is
happening,
but
neighborhood
C
is
the
area
on
the
top
of
the
the
air
of
the
project.
Up
there
is
the
area
north
of
Cave
Creek
Road,
it's
basically
scopa
Trail
runs
through
the
middle
of
that
area
that
has
been
converted
over
to
Carefree.
Q
That's
one
of
the
reasons
for
that
closure,
so
they'll
be
cutting
the
line,
capping
a
dead
end
line
for
us
so
that
we
don't
have
a
large
dead
end
line
at
the
at
the
edge
of
our
system.
So
that's
an
advantage
for
the
town
at
the
end
result
we're
going
to
get
so.
Carefree
has
been
changing
out.
Meters,
the
neighborhood,
C
and
B
have
been
largely
changed
out
the
neighborhood
a
which
is
the
area
along
Carefree
Highway.
Q
They
ran
a
situation
of
meter
deliveries,
so
for
the
last
couple
of
months
they
actually
had
to
stop
doing
any
meter
change
outs
because
they
were
waiting
for
the
vendor.
As
my
meeting
with
them
this
week,
they
said
they
got
that
delivery.
In
so
they'll
be
changing
out
the
rest
of
those
meters
and
it's
been
working
out
well
they've
been
as
as
long
as
we're
still
putting
our
water
into
the
pipe
they
actually
do.
They
will
do
the
monthly
billing
on
our
billing
cycle
and
send
us
the
information.
Q
That's
been
working
out
as
best
as
I
could
hope,
and
it's
they've
got
to
assist
more.
It
comes
very
smoothly
into
our
building
system,
so
we
can
still,
even
though
their
meters
have
been
changed
out,
we're
getting
that
information
and
still
being
able
to
build
the
customers
until
the
physical
changes
or
changeovers
have
occurred.
Q
They're
still
scheduled,
I
think
they're,
looking
I've
been
hearing
final
completion,
probably
six
months
away,
but
they'll
start
to
take
over
some
of
the
neighborhood
B.
Next
week
and
then
neighborhood
a
the
area
lawn
Carefree,
Highway
they're,
starting
to
get
some
of
that
together
and
they're
starting
to
work
on
on
taking
over
those
accounts.
Neighborhood
a
is
the
area
where
we
have
about
nine
different
disconnect
sites,
though
to
be
coordinated.
Sean.
L
Q
D
Q
Section
of
pipe
between
us
and
them
so
there's
no
way
for
that
to
click
it
forward
it
to
disconnect.
So
we've
been
very
adamant
on
that
and
they've
been
following
through
on
that,
even
when
they
they,
as
we
work
our
way
around
we're
making
sure
that
there's
air
gaps
between
our
systems.
So
we
don't
just
use
a
closed
valve.
We
actually
use
two
valves
in
a
way
to
tell
that
the
pipe
is
empty
between
the
two
and,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we've
been
very
clear
with
them
and
they've
been
following
through
on.
Q
Q
This
is
an
example
where
you
can
see
in
the
middle
slide
there,
the
the
pipe
is
physically
cut
and
they've
put
the
cap
on
it
and
then
we're
concreting
that
up
so
effectively
the
pipe
has
been
capped
and
there's
no
way
to
physically
link
the
two
together,
so
they've
been
very
good
to
work
with
as
a
partner
to
make
sure
that
we're
we're
part
of
all
their
decisions
and
we're
seeing
all
this
and
witness
everything
so
we're
very
comfortable
with
the
work
they're
doing
so
I'll
give
them
credit.
They've
got
a
good
team.
Q
I
am
I,
didn't
do
anything
I'm
trying
to
go
back
there.
We
go
so
Monday
night
Carrie
alluded
to.
They
are
trying
to
finish
off
one
disconnect
for
the
area
north
of
Cave,
Creek,
Road
and
one
to
the
South,
and
that's
why
we're
having
to
shut
down
it
was
originally
we
anticipated
just
having
to
turn
the
Galloway
booster
station
off,
but
when
they
actually
exposed
to
pipes,
we
believe
there's
a
risk
of
at
the
one
disconnect
location
that
we
might
get
a
pipe
slip
and
and
have
an
a
uncontrolled
break.
Q
So
we've
actually
agreed
to
shut
down
the
area
in
Cave
Creek
along
south
of
Cave
Creek
Road
back
to
Indian
our
Schoolhouse
Road
for
that
closure.
So
that's
the
addition.
We've
done
that
to
give
them
a
safe
work.
Zone
it
comes
down
to
that.
We
don't
have
any
very
many
isolation
valves
in
those
lines.
Typically,
when
you
shut
off
the
lines
because
in
that
area
of
the
system
we're
running
over
100
pounds
of
pressure,
you
need
to
make
sure
that
that
valve
you
can
shut,
has
some
distance.
Q
Q
So,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
everybody
aware
that
I'll
be
this
Monday
night
they'll
start
their
work
at
nine
o'clock,
but
we
won't
physically
disconnect
or
shut
down
our
system
until
10
o'clock
and
then
they'll
be
back
on
line
date,
you're
saying
maybe
by
three
o'clock,
they'll
be
done
or
three
in
the
morning,
but
we
allow
for
it
for
a
little
unknowns
would
happen.
This
we've
been
bitten
a
few
times.
Q
I
just
want
to
share
with
Council
our
cap
water
request
for
next
year
and
since
I
put
this
slide
together,
we've
actually
had
an
update
to
this.
We
do
our
order
by
October
to
the
central
Arizona
project,
so
they
can
combine
everybody's
order
together,
bring
it
ahead.
The
transfer
of
the
water
rights
has
not
occurred
between
the
our
Municipal
and
Industrial
water
supply.
So
initially
we,
the
cap,
had
asked
us
to
place
our
orders
with
carefree
and
assuming
that
Carefree
was
taking
the
water,
because
the
subcontract
has
been
done.
Q
We
had
to
do
a
modification
and
add
that
back
into
our
our
plot,
we
also
do
a
delivery
of
water
to
of
the
non-indian
Agricultural
water
for
Desert
Hills
and
we've
built
that
schedule
into
it.
And
you
can
see
here,
we've
actually
looking
to
get
some
recharge,
we're
working
with
Carefree,
because
the
transfer
we
don't
think
will
happen
until
the
first
quarter
of
the
next
calendar
year
go
through
the
Bureau
of
Reclamation
Department
of
interior.
Q
Q
So
next
year
we
look
like
we
might
be
able
to
recharge
up
to
A
Thousand
Acre
feet
of
water
on
the
town's
behalf.
So
we
we're
paying
for
it,
but
it
gives
us
a
little
bit
of
Advantage
at
the
end
of
the
project
to
do
that
because
they
don't
need
it
to
deliver
to
their
customers
and
they
won't
be
on
our
system.
So
we
don't
have
to
deliver
it
to
our
customers.
So
so
it's
a
little
bonus
to
be
able
to
pull
out
of
the
project.
Q
We've
had
a
not
only
distribution
line
breaks,
we've
actually
had
some
improvements
made
to
the
system.
In
this
case
we
worked
with
the
developer
who's.
Doing
that
the
Verizon
store
on
40,
the
40
49th
Street.
There
was
actually
a
gap
in
the
system
when
I
first
came
on
board
that
was
shown
on
our
map.
So
it
was
completed.
It
was
not
so
we
were
able
to
work
with
them
as
part
of
their
work.
Q
They
actually
went
beyond
their
property
and
we
worked
with
them
to
get
it
done
and
what
you're
seeing
at
the
top
end,
we
actually
tied
into
a
collection
of
four
inch
lines
at
the
top
end,
but
we
actually
it
was
nice
to
be
able
to
work
with
them
and
get
a
gap
completed
in
our
distribution
system.
A
new
valving
into
the
our
staff
now
know
what
valves
they
can
operate
and
trust
and.
Q
This
is
actually
a
picture
from
one
of
the
disconnects
in
with
Carefree,
where
you
know
it
was
a
nighttime
job.
We
they
try
to
limit
the
work
if
it's
going
to
have
a
big
impact.
They've
been
they've,
been
respectful
in
just
doing
that.
It's
a
smaller
area,
they've
done
some
work
during
the
day
just
for
safety.
In
this
case
they
were
working
in
front
of
an
area
that,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
this
is
by
scopa
Trail
in
77
72nd
Street.
Q
They
did
most
of
this
work
and
then
we
ended
up
finding
out.
There
was
another
fee
to
this
area,
so
that
went
back
to
an
area
of
mapping.
So
this
is
one
that
we
went
back
to
and
actually
at
the
end
of
the
day,
some
of
this
work
was
for
naught
and
but
they
worked
with
us
to
actually
make
the
disconnect
work
properly.
Q
D
Q
Working
very
well,
it's
actually
collecting
material.
It
hasn't
made
it
up
to
the
top
of
the
Chute,
but
it
actually
is
taking
material
out
that
otherwise
the
staff
would
see
floating
in
our
bases.
So
it's
actually
working
effectively
like
flushable
wipes,
yes
yeah
and
bring
that
forward.
So
flushable
wipes
are
not
flushable.
C
Q
They're
called
disposable
wipes,
they
should
not
be
displayed,
they
should
not
be
flush.
You
should
not
be
flushing
anything
that
it
says,
except
toilet
paper
or
something
it
can
disintegrate.
In
our
sewer
system,
we've
actually
had
to
change
our
operational
practices.
This
this
bar
screen
does
collect
some
of
that
material
that
gets
down
to
our
system
because
of
the
way
the
town's
collection
system
is
laid
out.
Q
J
Q
It's
they're,
not
good
good
note
on
that.
You
can
see
in
the
background,
is
the
old
grit
classifier
unit,
so
that
was
actually
taken
a
couple
of
weeks
ago.
The
new
unit
got
delivered
six
weeks
early,
so
it's
actually
physically
there
and
that
the
old
one
we
were
able
to
remove
in
a
few
hours
so
we're
just
working
with
the
vendor
to
get
the
new
one
installed.
So
we
will
have
one
of
the
major
projects.
Q
The
wastewater
treatment
plant
itself
has
two
large
treatment
basins.
It
says
they
call,
we
call
them
SBR,
Basin
sequence
batch
reactor
basins.
They
actually
have
an
air
system.
The
air
of
both
mixes,
the
the
liquid,
as
well
as
provides
oxygen
for
the
biology,
so
wastewater
treatment
is
actually
a
microbiology
treatment.
It's
not
we're
not
starting
we're,
not
actually
adding
chemicals.
We
use
chemicals
in
the
back
end,
but
we're
basically
using
biology.
So
in
this
case,
we
were
having
issues
and
Council
allowed
us
to
do
a
capital
program
to
repair
the
aeration
systems.
Q
So
we
have
about
250
that
he's
changed
out
in
SBR
Base
number
two,
that
was
the
Basin
that
staff
were
having
a
hard
time
actually
getting
our
challenges
with
with
the
staff
are
really
good
at
making
it
work,
but
they
were
having
challenges
and
just
with
the
250
of
the
the
1200
that
are
in
that
Basin
being
changed
out.
It's
made
of
an
improvement
to
the
process,
so
yeah
we're
going
to
continue
doing
that
out.
Q
Q
We've
been
doing
continued
to
work
at
Rancho
Manana
list
station.
This
is
an
example
of
some
work
that
was
just
wrapped
up
recently,
so
it
was
looking
pretty
bad
there
after
the
most
recent
storm.
So
we
actually
had
a
contractor
come
in
and
help
us
finish
it
off,
because
we
didn't
have
the
staff
resources
to
do
it.
This
is
a
good
example
we're
within
our
budget.
We
have
contractual
dollars
to
bring
someone
in
we
cleaned
up
the
site.
This
is
also
in
the
last
quarter.
Q
We've
been
able
to
do
some
piping.
We
had
a
pipe
start
leaking
underneath
the
slab
as
it
exited
the
wet.
Well,
so,
without
ripping
out
all
the
concrete
at
the
site,
we
came
up
with
another
solution
which
actually
used
the
core
drill
through
the
top
and
actually
bring
out
new
lines
above
it
also
allowed
us
to
put
in
flow
meters.
So
we
actually
now
can
monitor
the
flows
of
the
pumps
before
we
had
to
estimate
stuff.
So
we're
trying
to
make
you
know
the
best
use
of
these
problems.
Q
Another
Capital
project
we
had
is
actually
at
the
We've
purchased
the
Palm
membranes.
You
know
we've
released
them
for
a
year
and
then
we
purchased
them
two
years
ago,
but
access
has
always
been
a
challenge
at
that
site
because
it
wasn't
designed
for
them
and
they're
being
elevated
trailers.
So
this
is,
we
have
one
project
going
on
at
the
treatment
plan
to
add
a
catwalk.
So
this
is
an
example.
What's
going
in
the
staircase
you're
seeing
in
the
Forefront
is
actually
temporary
and
it'll
be.
Q
That
was
actually
going
to
be
rotated,
but
the
the
vendor's
been
working
with
us,
but
it's
made
a
nice
elevated
walkway
for
the
staff
to
better
access
that
area
and
get
around
all
the
piping.
That's
out
there.
So
if
you've
been
out
at
the
site,
you'll
see
it's
a
bit
of
a
challenge
for
staff.
This
is
making
a
substantial
Improvement.
Another
project
that
we
had
we
were
trying
to
work
on
is
actually
to
work
with
we've
had
mgc,
do
some
quotes
on
re-piping
the
plant
a
little
bit
better.
Q
As
I
mentioned,
we
have
some
losses
with
these
Paul
trailers
because
we
have
a
constant
flow.
Coming
up
from
the
pipeline
effectively
three
steps:
we
have
either
one
pump
running
up
the
pipeline
two
or
three,
so
we
have
three
sort
of
flow
variables.
The
Paul
trailers
want
a
little
more
variability
in
that
flow.
Q
So
right
now
we
divert
that
water
into
a
reclaimed
water
pit,
which
then
gets
sentenced
up
to
the
golf
course,
but
we're
thinking
we
can
do
some
on-site
piping,
so
we
can
collect
that
in
an
existing
tank
system
and
then
just
push
it
back
into
the
pipeline
as
needed.
So
that'll
help
the
efficiency
of
the
plant,
especially
during
the
winter
time,
when
we
don't
need
to
run
the
Trident.
So
we
can
just
run
off
of
poles
so
and
I'm
going
to
wrap
up
with
the
the
City
of
Phoenix
interconnect
site.
Q
Q
So
in
effect,
this
will
help
supplement
the
new
recite
and
in
an
emergency
we
can
actually
send
water
up
to
nearing
and
into
the
rest
of
the
system.
So
we
can
take
the
water
treatment
plant
offline
in
the
cap
Pipeline
and
do
major
work,
which
is
a
huge
bonus
for
the
for
the
town,
we'll
have
the
storage
Reservoir
at
the
site
and
also
Provisions
to
relocate
the
cat4
booster
Pump
Station,
which
is
currently
in
the
vault
in
front
of
the
lows
to
this
site
with
Provisions
for
a
small
storage
Reservoir.
Q
Q
A
A
J
Q
Q
Q
Again,
most
of
the
sight
you're
seeing
the
airline
all
the
pump,
work,
etc
from
the
front
gate,
there'll
be
an
eight
foot
lock
all
around
the
site
containing
all
that
and
in
the
back
calf
it'll
just
be
the
reservoir
similar
to
what
we
have
at
the
the
nearing
Rockaway
sites,
because
it's
concrete
Reservoir
with
a
with
a
berm,
isolated
ice,
buffering
that
from
the
neighboring
residential
product
properties.
So,
okay.
A
H
Q
Mayor
councilmember,
we
don't
treat,
we
don't
send
them
treated
cap
water,
we
send
them
either
raw
cap
water
or
the
what
we
call
the
backwash
or
the
waste
water
from
the
treatment
process.
The
water
that
again,
as
you
treat
water,
you
actually
generate
a
waste
stream
because
you're
removing
material
from
that
Stream
So.
They
they
select
they
they
need
to
give
them
that
the
way
the
contract
is
structured
is
that
they
we
can
send
them
the
effluent.
They
can
also
send
them
the
backwash
water.
Q
If
we
had
Wells
available,
we
could
send
them
well
water,
and
then
we
deliver
to
them
at
their
Lake
structures,
but
they
only
get
billed
for
the
water
that
they
actually
pull
out
through
their
irrigation
system.
That's
why
it's
critical!
We
have
the
conversation
with
some
about
both
evaporative
losses.
What
we
believe
are
some
minor
losses
of
their
Lakes,
because
this
summer
they
actually
got
very
low
and
we
are
able
to
do
a
quick
assessment
of
their
liners
and
they're,
not
the
best
shape
and
then
the
other.
Q
The
third
component
is
the
Overflow
of
the
system.
Again,
once
the
Lakes
top
up.
There
is
an
actual
overflow
pipe
that
goes
down
to
the
wash
and
that
we
actually
have
a
meter
on
that.
So
we
actually
have
two
years,
two
plus
years
worth
of
good
data,
to
know
how
that
system
works,
but
the
contract.
It
says
that
there
is
a
provision
depending
on
which
source
of
water
we're
sending
in
raw
cap
water
or
effluent.
Q
We
have
a
cost
model
that
we
actually
have
to
follow,
based
on
the
contract
that
we
charge
them
for,
but
then
we
have
to
factor
in
that
they
only
get
charged
for
we
send
them
two
deliveries
of
water,
but
we
only
get
charged.
We
charge
them
up
actually,
the
first
the
effluent
waters
are
more
expensive,
so
we
charge
them
that
first
and
then
anything
else
gets
charged
at
the
other
rate.
So
it's
a
bit
of
a
it's
a
bit
of
a
strange
Billing
System.
But
it's
it's
been.
D
F
Q
Q
Q
Q
We
don't
expect
it
to
because
if
the
property
actually
drops
off
to
the
back-
and
you
have
the
mass
of
the
the
block
wall
in
front
of
it-
the
eight
foot
block
wall
so
from
Cave
Creek
roads.
You
might
see
the
top
of
the
reservoir
okay,
okay,
because
the
the
site
does
actually
drop
off
to
the
about
10
feet
from
east
to
west
great.
L
Q
Q
The
one
site
is
being
planned
at
Bella,
Vista,
Drive
next
to
sansui's,
Sansui
restaurant,
actually,
actually,
the
next
partial
over
west
of
West
to
there
another
one
is
at
New
River
and
Cave.
Creek
Road
is
what
the
other
site
would
be,
so
we'll
have
two
locations
that
we
can
send,
treat
and
deliver
and
deliver
to.
Q
They're
Mr
Mayor,
their
single
Direction
we've
asked
to
actually
have
them
as
single
flow
because
we
do
not
have
a
reciprocal
Wheeling
agreement
with
them
and
we
don't
have
an
emergency
operation
agreement
with
them
and
that's
standard
practice
now
in
the
distribution
system.
Is
that
before
everybody
thought
that
you,
you
can
interconnect
systems
but
as
soon
as
you
co-mingle
water.
If
there's
ever
a
water
quality
issue,
now
you've
got
both
companies.
A
Q
K
H
L
K
A
K
Don't
worry,
Ernie
they'll
see
a
change
of
leadership
here,
one
of
these
days
and
we'll
be
able
to
knock
on
each
other
I
hope.
So
so
it
seems
like
at
staff
level,
they're
working
together
really
well
so
for
everything
we've
been
through
Sean's
sitting
here
with
testimony
saying
hey,
this
is
going
as
good
as
he
thought
it
could
ever
go
yeah,
but
we
can't
get
any
of
their
water.
K
K
Benefit
to
the
relationship
as
it
turns
out
and
I,
don't
know
that
anybody
could
have
foreseen
that
six
months
ago,
yeah
so
back
to
the
drawing
that
you
were
showing
us
on
our
new
three
and
a
half
acre
site
with
the
tank
and
the
retention.
Basin
is
the
retention
Basin
there
made
to
contain
the
wash
flow
or
the
on-site
water
generation
from
a
hundred
year
event,
or
it's.
Q
There's
a
fairly
significant
washers
washed
across
the
North
End
of
the
property
Brian.
Can
you
bring
up
that
slide
again,
so
the
retention
Basin
is
actually
just
similar
to
any
development.
Is
we
have
to
retain
our
on-site
water?
So
it's
actually
just
because
we're
doing
the
improvements,
it's
actually
the
amount
of
storm
water
that
we
could
be
generating
so
that
doesn't
go
into
the
wash.
We
actually
have
to
retain
it
on
site
and
then
it
can
get
bled
off
into
the
wash.
Q
A
A
C
E
B
D
Q
J
Q
So
we
are
we're
presenting
on
the
update
to
the
we're
referring
to
is
the
water,
storage
and
drought
management
plans
of
the
town
quickly
with
the
water
advisory
committee
of
the
Town.
Actually,
in
2019
had
worked
on
development,
emergency
drought
and
water
curtailment
plants.
What
we
call
the
document
it's
actually
listed
out
and
called
out
in
in
town
code
that
the
town
should
have
a
drought
preparedness
plan.
Q
At
that
time
we
had
listed
three
Katrina
conditions
in
stage
one
through
three,
and
there
is
a
proposal
for
some
water
rate
surcharges
at
the
time.
What
wasn't
followed
through
on
is
to
do
surcharges.
The
you
know,
the
water
advisor
pretty
in
a
document
even
approved
by
Council
can't
do
that
that
require
code
changes
to
authorize
that
to
happen.
So
since
2019,
what's
changed,
the
Colorado
River
condition
has
not
improved.
It
is
worsened,
so
we
are
in
our
23rd
year
of
a
drought
in
this
state.
Q
We've
actually
had
to
get
into
declared
shortages
on
the
Colorado
River,
which
is
something
that
you
know
we've
never
seen
before.
We've
had
to
deal
with
and
then
on
the
town's
front,
we've
actually
adopted
the
2020
one
Water
Resource
policy
that
was
put
into
place
to
help
look
at
our
water
resources
and
how
help
sustain
the
town's
water
resources
and
put
a
limit
on
new
water
services
outside
our
Municipal
limits
and
also
created
a
volumetric
limit
on
new
accounts
to
try
and
preserve
the
town's
Water
Resources.
Q
The
town's
physical
infrastructure
has
changed
and
is
changing.
You
know
this.
We
have
the
City
of
Phoenix.
Interconnect
is
coming
ahead
and
we've
now
were
able
to
secure
a
new
cap,
Central
Journal
project,
non-indian
agricultural
Water
Resource,
to
be
used
for
Desert
Hills,
so
things
have
changed
and
even
from
a
regulatory
standpoint,
Arizona
Department
of
Water
Resources
have
been
working
on
the
Fifth
Management
plan
for
the
Phoenix
active
management
area.
That's
actually
the
the
state
governing
law.
Q
The
state
actually
has
the
1980
groundwater
management
act
and
then
the
we're
in
the
Phoenix
active
management
area.
So
they
actually
have
plans
that
they're
supposed
to
be
putting
in
place
so
they're
wrapping
that
document
up.
So,
there's
a
lot
of
things
changing
in
addition
to
the
shortages
on
Colorado
River,
so
it
made
sense
for
us
to
take
a
look
at
the
document
and
come
up
with
something
better
that
suits
the
the
needs
for
the
the
town
real
quickly.
Q
Our
caps
supplies
the
town
does
have
a
municipal
and
Industrial
will
supply
our
subcontract
with
cap
once
the
transfer
is
completed,
which
hasn't
occurred
just
yet,
we'll
have
2228
acre
feet
of
Municipal
industrial
water.
We
do
have
some
existing
groundwater
Wells
and
we
have
groundwater
rights
right
now.
None
of
the
walls
are
functionally
operational,
but
that's
something
that,
as
part
of
this
plan,
we've
said
that
you
know
is
the
future
of
things.
Continue,
that's
something
we
need
to
pursue
further.
We've
started
the
investigation
on
those
Wells
and
see
if
they
are
viable.
Q
Something
we'd
want
to
continue.
Desert
Hills
has
its
three
ground
water
wells
that
we've
had
its
challenges
for
I've,
been
in
front
of
council
a
number
of
times
in
my
tenure
here
at
the
Town
dealing
with
issues
with
those
Wells,
and
now
we
have
the
new
non-nating
agricultural
Cap
supplies
for
them
and
then
again
reinforcing
we
do
have
the
water
policy
and,
as
we
move
forward,
we
really
want
to
look
as
we're
starting
our
Master
planning
efforts
and
finishing
up
the
contract
with
our
consultant
that
I'll
bring
forward
to
councils.
Q
We
want
to
look
at
water,
storage
and
water
recharge
options.
You
know,
we've
we
started
recharging
on
the
town's
behalf
and
generating
long-term
storage
credits,
which
is
good.
Now,
we've
got
to
figure
out
the
back
end
of
that.
How
do
we
get
that
water
back
out
and
what's
the
best
use
and
again
with
the
imbalance
that
we
have
with
our
Ranch
vignana
deliveries?
How
can
we
can
we
do
anything
locally,
that
we
can
get
a
benefit
from
from
the
town?
Q
Q
We
at
that
time
outlined
five
levels
of
demand,
reduction
strategies
tied
to
the
cap
shortage
tiers,
and
we
tried
to
come
up
with
some
tables
and
sort
of
you
know,
recommendations
at
certain
tiers.
What
what
would
be
requested
we
heard
from
Council-
and
we
looked
at
some
things-
that
we
thought
would
be
better-
would
better
work
for
us.
So
now
we're
presenting
you,
the
new
draft
and
the
new
edits
to
the
plan.
Q
We
there's
some
text
cleanup
throughout
the
document
itself,
but
the
biggest
thing
is
that
we,
we
thought
just
having
it
tied
to
the
cap,
water
shortages
and
when
we
actually
looked
at
it
really
didn't
fit
the
needs
for
the
town,
because
right
now
we're
not
using
all
our
Cap
Supply.
So
we
actually
have
access.
So
if
you
you
tie
it
to
just
the
the
the
the
the
drought
shortages
you
know,
we've
asked
cap
has
asked
us
to
reduce
our
request.
Q
For
an
non-indian
agricultural
water
for
next
year,
it's
a
new
Supply
we've.
We
have
purchased
for
Desert
Hills,
where
they've
asked
us
to
do
a
25
reduction.
But
when
you
hear
the
tier
shortages
and
the
reductions
when
we're
not
using
our
full
allocation
of
the
municipal
and
Industrial
Supplies,
it
really
didn't
fit
the
mold,
so
tying
us
back
to
their
shortages.
So
what
we
came
up
with
is
what
we're
referring
to
as
a
I.
What
was
it?
Q
Eight
shortage
percentage
calculation,
which
looks
at
staff
actually
projecting
out
what
we
think
demands
will
be
based
on
the
current
use
of
the
system
and
what
we
think
will
be
growth
in
the
upcoming
year,
based
on
our
available
Water
Resources,
where
we
know
in
advance,
because
we
talked
to
the
cap
staff
and
we're
notified
by
cap
staff
of
what
we
can
expect
to
get
ordered
next
year
and
that's
a
calculation
we
do.
And
then
the
shortage
declaration
comes
out
of
that
calculation.
So
it's
Unique
to
Cave
Creek.
Q
So
that
was
a
change
from
the
the
August
presentation
that
we
gave
to
you
and
I
put
a
version.
Oh,
actually
I
didn't
put
it
in
there.
It's
in
the
report
and
it's
actually
in
the
back
of
dependencies.
We've
created
a
table,
so
the
thought
would
be
that
we
would
do
that.
Calculation
come
back
to
council
at
least
once
a
year
and
then
give
you
our
estimate.
What's
going
to
happen.
Q
If
we
are
getting
into
a
serious
condition,
then
that
would
actually
be
set
the
stage
of
the
drought
response
plan
that
we're
trying
to
do
so.
That's
what
triggers
it!
It's
not
just
aacap
allocation.
We
make
it
at
Cave,
Creek,
specific
and
looking
at
how
our
water
resources
are,
and
actually
also
factors
in
that
now
that
we
are
recharging
some
other
water.
The
council
can
give
us
goals
on
how
much
recharge
you
want
to
do
so
that
could
be
factored
in.
So
it's
not
just
the
demands
of
our
customers.
It's
actually.
Q
If
we
can't
make
our
recharge
goals
that
actually
can
factor
into
the
fact
that
we
might
need
to
to
ask
our
customers
to
curtail
their
demands
and
lower
it
from
that
point
forward.
The
report
is
very
similar
to
the
last
version
in
that
it
does
list
at
the
different
stages
of
of
enforcement
or
different
methods
of
of
responding
to
that
we're
always
wanting
to
be
in
what
we
refer
to
as
stage
zero,
which
is
is
really
looking
at
our
Outreach
and
education.
Q
I
talked
about
some
of
the
work
that
we're
doing
and
some
of
the
stuff
that
we
can
do
with
it.
The
better
metering
that
we
have
and
Desert
Hills
allows
us
to
be
more
proactive
with
talking
with
customers
and
looking
at
identifying
leaks
and
stuff,
like
that,
you
know
with
what's
going
on
I'll
talk
about
more
later,
with
the
rate
studies
that
one
of
the
things
we've
heard
from
our
a
lot
of
our
customers
is
how
do
I
save
money,
because
you.
L
Q
How
do
I
save
water
so
that
I
don't
have
to
pay
as
much?
So
that's
our
conservation
Outreach,
that's
our
stage
zero!
So
that's
that's
always
going
to
continue
you
for
the
town.
We
always
want
to
have
them
reaching
out
and
trying
to
be
better
and
and
lowering
individual
usages.
But
beyond
that,
then
we
go
into
our
stage,
one
two
three
and
four,
and
that's
actually
setting
physical
limits
that
we're
trying
to
obtain
so
The
Next
Step
Beyond.
This
plan
is
we
if
Council
agrees
with
the
edits,
that's
provided.
Q
We
would
then
ask
how
the
the
policy
or
the
document
adopted
as
a
policy
and
then
we'll
start
working
as
staff
to
actually
provide
code
revisions
that
allow
us
to
enforce
this,
because
when
we
get
into
the
hired
shortage
tiers,
especially
when
we
get
into
a
stage
four,
where
we're
saying
the
water
shortage
percentage
is
more
than
26
percent.
That
means
that
we
are
in
a
serious
situation
that
we
cannot
provide
enough
water
to
meet
our
current
customer
demands.
Q
There
has
to
be
some
serious
repercussions
and
one
of
the
biggest
ones
we
propose
is
putting
on
financial
constriction.
So
our
higher
water
tiers,
the
highest
two
water
tiers
we'd,
be
able
to
actually
add
a
surcharge
to
those
customers
and
it'd,
be
something
we
put
into
code.
So
we'd
actually
come
back
to
council
to
get
once
the
Declaration
is
put
into
place.
Q
We
didn't
just
enact
as
staff
and
then
we'd
come
back
and
tell
you
when
we
show
you
how
we're
monitoring
the
program
and
seeing
what's
happening
as
as
at
that
point,
we're
probably
we're
at
a
stage
four
I'm,
probably
talking
to
you
monthly,
on
where
we
are
at
with
our
water
usage
and
our
supplies,
but
so
that
was
the
biggest
change
from
the
last
one
we
had.
We
talked
about
the
surcharges
and
some
of
the
other
methods
before
I'm
trying
to
put
those
into
code.
Q
H
Q
Specific
to
Cave
Creek
and
it's
something
that
we
can
look
at
based
on
our
water
supplies,
so
we're
not
tied
to
we.
We
look
at
what's
happening.
You
know,
on
the
bigger
level
level
what
cap
is
seeing
and
that
factors
in
the
fact
that
they're
going
to
say
that
you
know
at
this
point
well
on
the
horizon
for
the
next
two
years,
but
again
they
changed
year
to
year.
They
do
a
24-month
projection.
Q
There's
no
shortages
on
the
municipal
industrial
that
they're
asking
for
right
now,
the
conversations
we
had
had
with
cap,
because
we
are
not
using
all
of
our
supplies,
they're
asking
us
not
to
request
it
all.
So
it's
a
double
X
short
for
us
yeah.
So
and
then
we
we've
also
set
a
goal
of
trying
to
recharge
our
excess
cap,
water
to
generate
long-term
storage
credit.
So
it's
we
thought
this
is
an
effective
way
for
us
to
factor.
Q
All
this
in
together
come
back
to
council
with
a
with
a
bit
of
a
calculation
that
comes
down
to
a
percentage
number
that
then
goes
down
to
a
stage
of
of
restrictions
that
we're
trying
to
accommodate
again
following
up
with
code
revisions,
to
allow
us
to
do
this.
You
know
we're
always
trying
to
be
proactive.
Q
We
don't
want
to
get
into
a
situation
of
being
punitive
with
customers,
but
if
this
drought
continues
and
things
get
worse
for
everybody
in
the
state,
you
know
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
hard
decisions
to
be
made
and
this
this
sort
of
sets
us
up
for
that
ability
to
make
those
decisions
and
and
sadly
have
to
make
those
directions
in
the
future.
So
with
that,
I
can
take
any
questions
and
again
our
goal
would
be
to
get
some
comments
and
feedback
on
this
document.
Q
We'd
like
to
actually
bring
it
back
to
council
just
to
adopt
the
policy
and
then
come
back
at
Future
meetings,
and
we've
actually
already
drafted
out
one
of
the
code
revisions
that
we
think
are
necessary,
but
getting
the
document
and
the
guidance
put
together
with
with
this
report
and
concurrence
that
this
is
the
way
that
we
should
be
going
that
allows
us
to
to
wrap
up
those
code
revisions.
So
with
that
I
can
take
any
questions.
Councilman.
L
Q
Name,
oh,
we
didn't
call
them
out.
Specifically,
we
do
have
the
contractual
obligation.
Our
thought
is
that
they
would
be
captured
up
in
all
the
code.
Revisions
and,
and
especially
the
provision
is
currently
encoded
wasting
of
water
that
we
might
be
able
to
talk
about
and
Michelle.
You
had
some
insights
on
how
we
can
talk
to
them.
The
the
Michelle
had
the
bad
experience
like,
because
I
gave
them
all
to
her
to
read
all
10
contracts,
because
I
read
them
all
and
I
gave
them
to
her
and
yeah.
B
Yeah,
this
is
Michelle,
it's
very
generous
to
Rancho
Manana,
and
so
we
do
have
to
honor
that
contract,
but
they're
also
a
citizen
of
the
city,
and
they
need
to
follow
the
same
rules
that
everybody
else
follows.
Like
Sean
mentioned,
you
know
waste
of
water
and
there
there
may
be
areas
where
they
can
make
improvements
just
to
comply
with
conservation
codes
or
or
or
waste
codes,
and
those
will
still
apply,
even
though
there's
a
contract.
So.
L
That
which
brings
me
to
the
next
one
Michelle
this
is
really
for
you.
I
mean
I,
think
this
needs
to
or
our
our
policies
need
to
have
some
kind
of,
or
at
least
have
attention.
Let's
say
that
to
limiting
our
liability,
for
example,
we've
got
in
here
that
we
can
good
I
mean
these
are
disaster
scenarios
where
you
say:
well,
you
can't
water
anything
outside
and
you
have
to
you
can't
put
any
water
in
your
pool.
L
Well,
you
can't
do
those
things
there's
going
to
be
damage,
especially
to
the
Landscaping,
so
there's
two
pieces
coming
out
of
there.
One
is
we
need
to
have
it
understood.
Who
is
going
to
be
responsible
for
that?
You
know
if
I,
if
I
lose
this
year's
tomato
crop,
maybe
that's
not
a
big
deal,
but
if
I
lose
a
100
year
old,
saguaric
Cactus,
it
may
be
a
big
deal.
L
Through
how
we're
going
to
limit
the
town's
liability,
because
if,
if
it
happens
to
One
customer,
then
the
other
customers
pay
for
that
I
mean
it's
it's
it's
kind
of
crazy,
so
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
our
terms
of
service.
Every
time
we
go
on
a
website.
They
have
these
terms
of
service.
Maybe
we
need
to
have
a
term
a
service
for
the
water
that
spells
that
out.
If
in
drought,
situations
that
people
have
to
cover
their
own
yeah
Michelle.
Q
And
Bill
actually
did
look
at
our
current
water
user
contract
that
every
user
signs
actually
does
give
us
some
language
because
it
ties
it
back
to
following
the
drought
of
the
current
policies
and
or
any
conservation
practices.
The
town
puts
in
place,
whether
that
completely
indemnifies
us,
if
say,
there's
damage
to
you
know
a
large
landscape
material
or
stick
it
in
a
pool
pool
drives.
E
B
Yeah
I
would
say
first
of
all,
Bill
Sims
is
the
expert
on
this
topic
because
he
handles
risk
full
questions.
You
know
at
some
level
anybody
can
sue
for
anything
and
the
question
is:
is
it
going
to
be
a
successful
suit,
so
I
don't
try
to
avoid
the
suits
because
they
can
be
good
or
bad,
but
you
try
to
avoid
the
successful
season.
I
think
what
we
need
to
look
at
is.
Is
it
in
your
terms
of
service,
which
is
what
you've
been
talking
about?
B
You
know.
Typically,
utilities
will
have
curtailment
tariffs
or
or
stipulations
in
their
in
their
rules.
That
say,
everybody
has
to
follow
the
conservation
rules.
The
city
is
also
has
the
argument
always
that
it's
it's
operating
under
emergency
Powers,
protect
human
life
and
safety,
and
that
is
in
reflected
in
the
policy,
those
goals
and
so
you're
you're
choosing
a
higher
purpose
as
a
government
entity
in
that
situation
and
I.
Think
that
gives
you
some
protection,
but
yeah
I
would
defer
to
Bill
Sims
for
that
question.
That
I
know
he's
not
here
tonight.
G
L
I
I
don't
know
if
we
even
did
have
him
I
just
bring
it
up
as
an
issue,
and
we
can
do
it
off
one.
We
had
a
lot
of
people
waiting
here
against
sleepy
eyes.
The
last
thing
is,
and
I
I
monitor
how
much
water
goes
in
my
pool-
and
it's
currently
this
year
so
far
it's
3
000
gallons
a
month
is
being
lost
out
of
just
a
average
small
size
pool.
L
So
when
you
take
that
and
you
take
the
prudine
outside
Landscaping,
you
know
we've
got
potential
here
of
saving
or
being
able
to
reduce
water
consumption
under
admittedly
drastic
conditions
of
you
know.
70
percent
80
percent
I
mean
this,
has
some
real
teeth
if
it's
followed
and
if,
if
we're
successful
in
implementing
it,
but
the
point
here
is:
we
need
some
communication.
L
If,
if
we're,
if
we
have
the
potential
asking
people
to
not
put
water
in
their
pool
and
it
may
crack
and
not
watering
their
landscaping
and
that
there
is
potential
for
damages
and
we're
not
going
to
cover
the
game,
just
that
needs
to
get
out
there
and
we
and
and
people
need
to
understand
what
how
serious
it
is.
If
we
have
to
enact
something
like
this,
so
there's
a
big
Communications
piece
and
a
public
education
piece
that
follows
through
with
this
drought
plane.
J
J
For
instance,
there
can't
be
600
acre
feet
of
water
sitting
off
and
Never
Never
Land
that
somebody
might
want
that
someday
because
there's
an
obligation,
you
can't
have
that
and
tell
other
people
well
we're
gonna.
We
can't
do
anything
with
that,
but
you
have
to
cut
back
water
banking
gotta.
Stop
can't
do
water,
banking,
in
fact,
gotta
probably
pull
the
water
out
of
the
bank
in
order
to
say
to
somebody
you
need
to
empty
your
pool
and
fill
it
up
with
dirt.
J
It
there's
a
lot
of
legal
stuff
that
I
would
think
now.
These
are
the
kind
of
things
I
think
about.
If
somebody
came
to
me
and
said,
I
want
you've
got
to
stop
doing
this
and
I'll
say
well,
wait
a
minute.
What
about
that?
What
about
that?
It's!
It's
a
a
political
tactic.
That's
often
used,
but
it
is
a,
but
it's
it's
one,
that's
effective.
J
Q
And
let's
follow
up
with
that,
you
know:
I,
think
that
when
we
did
the
by
having
the
calculation
that
sort
of
shows
what
we're
doing-
and
you
brought
the
point
about-
you-
know
water,
future
allocations
and
and
encumbrances
of
the
water.
The
thought
this
is
this
is
dealing
with
actual
the
next
year
again.
What
do
we
have
for
Water
Supplies
versus?
What
do
we
have
currently
for
water
demands
with
any
projected
growth
or
savings
that
we
see
happening?
Q
So
it
allows
us
to
factor
those
things
and
yeah
when
we
start
dealing
about
you
know
having
someone
who
has
a
certificate
or
assured
water
supply.
That's
that's!
Locking
up
some
water
I
think
this
this.
This
just
does
address
it,
because
that's
that
right
now
is
available
if
they're
not
developing,
but
if
I
project
that
they're
developing
next
year
and
are.
Q
Broader
because
of
a
right
to
it,
then
they
have
to
follow
everybody
else
and
that'll
factor
into
it.
So
I
do
think
the
calculation
was
actually
something
Michelle
has
suggested,
I
I'm,
actually
very
much
in
support
of
it.
Now
that
I've
ran
through
the
numbers,
I
think
that
allows
us
as
a
town
to
look
at
our
water
supplies
and
our
water
demands
either
least
once
a
year
or
we
have
to
get
down
to
looking
at
it
quarterly
or
monthly,
depending
on
how
it
goes
now.
J
And
a
lot
of
other
things,
you
know
somebody
needs
to
take
a
look
at
that
and
find
out.
If
what
wiggle
room
there
is
yeah
I
used
to
deal
with
laws
all
the
time
I
used
to
deal
with
contracts,
it
was
almost
always
some
really
sneaky
way
than
an
attorney
could
give
an
opinion.
You
could
do
this,
even
though
it
looked
like
Council
just
just
a
suggestion.
G
Q
S
That's
what
I
was
gonna
say
your
name
first,
oh
right,
my
name
is
Holden.
Patrick
course
is
there
anything
else,
I
need
to
say.
First
gave
Greek
resident,
yes,
I'm
a
Cave
Creek
resident.
So
is
your
dad?
Yes,
mayor
elect
Morris
mentioned
the
agreement,
slash
contract,
which
would
be
the
correct
term,
with
Rancho
Manana
contractor.
S
J
J
A
By
Will
Dan
financial
services
and
Walker
Consulting
LLC
and
discussion
on
the
updates
to
the
draft
Water
and
Wastewater
rate
and
capacity
fee
study
where
the
Cave
Creek
Water,
Desert,
Hills
water
and
Cave
Creek
Wastewater
systems
based
on
the
agenda
by
the
town
manager,
but
I
see
Sean.
Opening
up
another
file.
G
Q
G
Q
Q
Oh
now,
I
go
faster
or
regular
speed
right,
quick
overview
again
I'm
going
to
be
quick,
so
we
have
been
working
with
weather
and
financial
services
and
Walker
Consulting
to
look
at
the
water
rates
and
the
capacity
fees
they
apply
both
to
our
Desert
Hills
and
our
Cave
Creek
systems.
The
last
time
we
did
an
update
to
the
water
fees
were
2020
and
waste.
The
the
capacity
fees
actually
been
in
place
since
20
15..
Q
Q
We
were
looking
to
try
and
make
sure
that
between
the
base
rates
and
volumetric
rates,
we
got
as
close
as
we
could
to
a
50
60
split
with
some
of
the
changes
we've
made,
we're
actually
a
little
bit,
not
50
50,
but
that's
actually,
one
of
the
goals
we
had
and
when
I
highlighted.
The
last
two
goals
is
to
provide
the
revenues
for
ongoing
operational
and
capital
costs.
That's
very
important,
as
you
heard
from
the
financial
report
right
now
earlier
in
the
meeting.
Q
You
know
we're
looking
good
from
a
revenue
projection
and
in
a
financial
right
now
at
this
point,
but
we
actually
have
to
project
out
and
again
we're
looking
at
10
years.
What's
it
going
to
cost
us
to
operate
this
system,
you
know
the
employee
costs
will
rise,
health
care
costs
rise
and
how
we
have
to
cover
that
the
cost
of
chemicals
always
go
up.
The
cost
of
equipment
goes
up.
So
that's.
This
is
a
really
a
projection
tool.
Q
So,
while
you
earn
a
report
that
says
that
we're
looking
good
good
right
now,
that's
for
this
fiscal
year,
so
this
this
rate
study
actually
looked
out
for
a
10-year
planning.
Horizon,
that's
why
I
want
everybody
to
keep
in
mind,
and
then
we
also
had
to
look
at
the
town's
Financial
requirements
and
goals.
You
know
we
have
mentioned
about
the
City
of
Phoenix
interconnect
project.
Q
Q
What's
called
a
debt
service
coverage
a
1.2
times
our
revenue,
and
currently
we
cannot
do
that
with
the
current
rates
that
we
have,
so
we
could
not
afford
to
take
on
the
debt
and
with
or
not
loan
us,
the
the
monies
we'd
have
to
set
revenues
aside
to
support
our
being
able
to
pay
that
debt
back.
So
that's
a
goal
that
the
council
has
set
for
us
and
that's
something
that
we're
trying
to
accommodate
with
this.
Q
So
we
can
do
the
larger
capital
projects
that
we
need
for
the
system,
but
we're
also
looking
to
make
sure
the
revenues
are
sufficient
to
cover
the
operation
and
maintenance
costs,
and
that's
really.
The
waste
water
fund
is
the
one.
That's
that's,
probably
the
worst
in
that
the
on
an
annualized
basis.
The
operational
cost
of
that
system
is
not
supported
by
the
revenues
that
we
get
from
our
customers.
So
we
need
to
make
them
true
Enterprise
funds,
and
then
we
do
have
a
long-term
goal,
and
this
is
with
these
rates.
Q
You
know
within
sort
of
a
five
year
Horizon
we
start
getting
towards
this
of
having
three
months
worth
of
operational
revenues
in
reserve
and
that's
in
case
there
is
a
downfall
in
the
economy.
People
can't
pay
their
water
bills.
You
know
we
still
need
to
keep
the
lights
on
at
the
plants
and
and
pay
our
staff
so
having
a
reserve.
There
is
something
that's
good
for
us
as
a
practice.
I've
worked
at
other
facilities
or
other
municipalities
where
they've
gone
reserves
above
six
months.
Q
Q
So
the
major
issue
since
2020
that
we,
besides
the
financial
that
we
had
to
look
at
was
the
loss
of
the
Carefree
accounts,
some
of
the
revenues
that
you're
seeing
and
why
revenues
expenses
were
looking
very
good.
Because
when
we
went
into
this
year's
budget,
we
actually
projected
that
all
the
Carefree
customers
would
actually
already
be
off
the
system
because
of
the
delay
in
that
project.
Q
D
Q
Q
Those
customers
is
coming
from
cave,
Creeks,
water
supplies
and
our
water
treatment
plant.
So
what
we've
talked
about
doing
in
this
race
study
does
is
develop
a
tie-in
rate,
a
Wheeling
rate
for
Desert
Hills.
You
know
I've
mentioned
my
prior
reports
to
the
cap.
This
the
town
has
was
able
to
get
a
subcontract
for
central
Arizona
project
water,
non-deanine,
agricultural
water.
Q
Q
We
followed
that
up
with
another
work
session,
on
the
12th
and
on
October
17th,
and
we
heard
feedback
from
Council
on
each
meeting
and
we
went
back
and
had
to
resharpen
our
pencils
and
Kevin
had
to
redo
his
spreadsheets
and
we
looked
at
moving
monies
around
and
how
to
balance
between
volumetric
rates
and
base
rates.
So
that
brings
us
to
the
point
we're
at
right
now,
which
is
the
table.
That's
it's
going
on
come
back
here.
The
rates
increase-
and
this
is
what
we're
proposing
is
that
Council
adopt.
Q
Q
This
is
showing
the
difference
between
September
October
October
is
the
rates
that
we'll
be
proposing
to
move
forward
within
the
average
increase
again
Cave
Creek
Waters
you're,
going
at
eight
percent
for
the
next
starting
January,
and
then
two
years
of
four
percent
and
followed
by
two
years
and
three
percent
we're
gonna
ask
the
council
authorized
to
have
the
full
five-year
study
and
the
rates
put
in
place.
So
we
don't,
unless
there's
a
major
need
to
come
back.
We
at
least
have
these
Revenue
projections
in
hand
Desert
Hills
again.
Q
But
again,
the
first
big
heavy
lift
is
paying
for
the
water
resources
for
Desert
Hills
and
Cave
Creek
Wastewater
again,
there's
a
big
heavy
lift
at
the
front
end
the
60,
because
there
is
an
imbalance
between
the
revenues
generated
and
the
cost
of
operating
that
system.
So
this
lift
is
to
undo
what
we
probably
should
have
done
in
the
past
and
get
it
towards
a
true
operational
functioning
system,
an
Enterprise
fund,
and
then
we
have
the
five
percent
increases
annually.
Q
Beyond
that,
we
did
propose
in
the
last
study
to
or
in
the
study
is
to
do
a
desert,
Hill
standpipe
rate,
which
was
new
I,
just
wanted
to
give
Council
a
quick
update
on
that.
So
the
equipment
for
the
standpipe
had
failed.
We've
been
able
to
get
the
cost
down
to
about
sixteen
thousand
dollars
with
some
using
some
spare
parts
that
we
have
out
there,
but
we
didn't
feel
it
was
fair
to
charge
that
to
everybody
and
just
because
there's
so
limited
number
of
users
out
there.
Q
So
in
this
study,
there's
actually
a
fee
proposed,
it
was
a
an
extra
ad
of
13.33
per
month
for
the
users
out
there
for
getting
that
standpoint
service.
At
the
time
the
standpipe
went
down
a
few
months
ago,
there
was
10
active
accounts
that
says,
had
10
active
users,
because
four
customers
either
have
already
or
have
asked
to
have
their
accounts
closed
and
then
of
the
other
users
staff
have
reached
out
to
them.
Q
Three
people
have
said
they'd
like
to
continue
the
service,
even
with
the
increased
rate
and
three,
so
they
still
needed
to
get
back
to
us.
We
haven't
heard
back
from
for
the
last
few
days,
but
just
I
just
want
to
make
sure
Council
was
aware.
It
is
part
of
the
study
it.
Our
our
thinking
is
that
we
asked
for
that
recommendation
to
have
that.
Q
Moving
forward
so
we're
going
to
start
going
to
generate
all
the
revenue
we
thought
of
on
that
system,
but
we
thought
that
was
the
best
way
to
proceed
was
still
to
pay
to
to
replace
that
system
and
put
a
fee
in
place
for
them.
It's
just.
The
number
of
users
will
drop
in
because
we
have
the
Water
Resource
policy.
In
effect,
we
won't
be
adding
any
new
users
to
the
account
unless
we
can
sort
out
some
water
resources
in
Desert,
Hills.
Q
So
on
our
schedule,
we've
done
the
notice
of
intent
to
raise
the
rates
and
capacity
fees
that
were
done
in
September,
19th
We've
published
the
final
report.
We
actually
found
a
couple
of
typos
in
the
report,
so
there's
an
updated
report.
We
actually
found
one
table
in
the
text
and
then
appendix
I,
which
is
the
fixed
asset
list
for
Wastewater.
There
was
some
confusion
in
the
descriptions
for
the
lands
and
the
dates
that's
been
corrected,
so
there
was
so
something
brought
to
my
attention.
Q
The
last
time
we
came
for
us
so
right
now
we're
on
schedule
we're
at
the
ninth
and
we're
doing
the
public
hearing
to
allow
for
outreach
and
gather
public
comments
and
and
tie
or
tell
Council
what
we
have
done
and
what
we've
heard
so
far
the
goal
still
being
November
21st.
We
asked
Council
to
adopt
both
the
the
new
rates
and
and
the
five-year
projection
for
those
rates
and
then
also
do
the
first
hearing
of
the
new
capacity
fees.
Q
December
5th
would
be
the
second
reading
of
the
capacity
fees
and
then
everything
would
become
effective,
January
2023.
At
this
point,
we
actually
do
our
meter
reading
cycle
on
the
week
of
the
9th
of
January
9th
we're
thinking
of
actually
making
them
effective
that
day.
So
then,
as
we
do
media
reading,
it's
in
effect
for
that
next
cycle
of
meter
read
so
it
would
be
the
February
bills
where
customers
would
see
the
rate
increase
and
any
capacity
fees
would
would
we'd
probably
set
the
same
date
on
it.
Q
I
guess
it
could
be
its
own
date
to
be
January
1st
too.
So
what
have
we
done
for
public
Outreach?
We've
had
it
up
for
a
while.
Now
always
the
town
we
set
up
a
separate
web
page
on
the
town
website,
it's
Cave,
creekaz.gov,
Dash
rates,
I
believe
it
is.
We
also
have
been
listed
on
the
front
page,
the
news
and
announcements.
All
these
meetings
make
sure
people
can
be
aware,
the
the
web
page
itself.
Q
Q
Now
we
call
an
estimator
because
it
doesn't
have
all
the
fees
in
there
it's
the
best
that
we
could
do,
but
it
gives
someone
an
idea
of
when
they
plug
in
their
information
on
their
size
of
their
meter
and
their
current
usage,
what
they
will
see
as
an
as
an
increase
for
them,
and
we
also
have
a
rate
comment
section
on
that
webpage
again.
This
has
been
up
for
six
or
eight
weeks,
I.
Believe
so
far,
we've
gathered
two
comments
off
the
website.
The
one
was
four
and
one
was
against.
Q
That's
all
we've
received,
but
we've
received
a
lot
more
Outreach,
actually
from
our
our
lot
more
feedback
from
our
other
efforts
that
we've
done.
We've
done
newspaper
notices,
we
did
notices
on
the
water
bills
themselves,
including
direct
mailer
to
all
users,
so
the
water
users
got
a
notice
on
their
on
their
bills.
Q
Q
So
we
did
a
direct
mailer
to
all
500
5000
account
holders
so
that
they
could
see
that
we've
actually
been
getting
some
feedback
because
of
that,
so
we've
been
getting
calls
from
our
our
building
staff
have
received
calls
most
of
the
calls.
I
I
didn't
get
some
numbers
today,
but
the
feedback
I
got.
Is
it's
been
a
lot
of
the
Desert
Hills
customers
are
calling
for
two
reasons.
One
is
it's
Aaron
R
mistake
because
of
the
the
font
and
the
abilities
on
here.
Q
We
didn't
list
the
fact
that
they're
still
boosted
rates
there's
still
boosted
rates
so
depending
on
where
you
are
in
the
system
and
most
of
the
Desert
Hills
accounts
are
actually
what
we
consider
boosted
rates.
So
there's
an
additional
surge
on
that
to
pay
for
the
cost
of
us
having
to
do
what
we
refer
to
as
a
second
boost.
Q
There's
an
additional
booster
station,
the
met
the
town
core
as
we
feed
water
into
it
from
our
near
booster
station
and
all
the
customers
can
be
directly
fed
from
Neary
get
one
rate
and
then,
above
that
we
actually
have
additional
costs,
because
we
have
additional
booster
costs
and
that's
been
set,
and
that
should
actually
still
continued
in
this.
So
that
was
the
one
confusion
they
didn't
that
wasn't
listed
on
there.
So
we
had
to
clarify
to
them
that
those
booster
rate.
Q
Besides
for
that
there
was
some
concern
because
of
the
rate
increase
the
25
percent
and
the
fairness.
And
again
it
goes
back
to
the
fact
that
you
know
for
Desert.
Hills
specifically,
is
we
had
to
make
sure
that
they
had
a
Water
Resource
and
now
they
have
a
water
resource,
but
there's
a
cost
for
that.
Water
Resource
for
their
system
again,
and
a
lot
of
customers
didn't
or
still
I.
Don't
think
understand
about
the
fact
that
you
know
the
town
didn't
buy
the
Desert
Hills
system
to
get
water
resources
from
it
or
anything
else.
Q
They
had
no
water
resources.
The
town
bought
the
desert
Hill
system.
In
addition
to
the
Cave
Creek
system
and
we've
been
supporting
Desert
Hills
from
The
Cave
Creek,
Water
System
since
that
purchase
occurred.
So
it's
it's
I
know
it's
it's
a
hard
story.
It's
hard
thing
to
understand,
I,
think,
but
that's
what
we're
trying
to
unravel
with
these
rates
to
make
sure
in
2020
we
at
least
we're
charging
differential
rates
for
the
first
time
for
the
customers.
Q
Now
we're
really
separating
it
out.
So
we
did
the
direct
mailers
we've
been
receiving
phone
calls
and
we
actually
went
out
and
we
reached
out
to
the
high
water
users
and
we
defined
those
as
the
customers
over
50,
000
gallons
in
usage.
We
actually
had
our
staff
directly
call
them
and
and
reach
out
to
them,
so
there
was
38
in
Cave,
Creek
and
23
in
Desert
Hills,
so
we
physically
call
them
up
they.
The
main
feedback
was,
you
know
at
first.
Q
They
thanked
us
for
calling
them,
so
they
knew
what
was
coming.
They
also
wanted
you
to
know
how
this
was
going
to
impact
them,
so
the
staff
worked
with
them
to
say
this.
Is
you
know
what
your
current
rates
are
where
your
your
buildings
have
been?
This
is
what
how
the
impact
will
be
for
you.
They
asked
about
some
things
that
they
can
do
to
save
water,
which
was
nice
to
hear.
We
talked
about
what
conservations
again
they
do.
Q
The
staff
were
having
conversations
with
them
about
you
know,
can
they
remove
Turf
and
go
to
synthetic
grass?
What
other
methods
can
they
do?
One
thing
that
came
up
is
a
couple
of
the
high
water
users
are
actually
were
one-time
leaks.
That
came
up
so
we
spoke
to
them.
The
first
thing
they
came
up
is:
how
can
we
better
tell
them
about
leaks
and
notify
them
about
leaks,
so
they
don't
get
into
these
high
water
situations,
which
goes
back
to
our
metering
systems.
Q
If
we
can
get
a
metering
system
that
can
be
given
more
real-time
data,
then
they're
going
to
be
able
to
respond
more
quickly
and
not
have
to
wait
till
they
get
a
bill
from
us
and
potentially
have
you
know
a
month
or
two
months
worth
of
high
water
use.
So
so
I've
covered
a
lot,
but
yeah
we
I
think
we've
actually
done.
I
feel
a
fairly
good
job
on
both
the
report
itself,
as
well
as
the
Outreach
we've
done
to
date,
and
this
was
just
a
public
hearing.
Q
No
action
tonight
to
I
just
want
to
give
Council
The
Briefing
on
where
we're
at
and
allow
for
public
comments.
Again.
We've
only
received
two
from
the
web
page
and
just
more
incidental
comments
that
from
the
phone
calls
and
the
Outreach
that
we've
done
at
this
point.
So
at
that
point,
I
will
stop
talking
Sean.
A
Q
A
D
Q
Typically
Landscaping
outdoor
water
use-
and
you
know
some
of
the
conversations
we've
had
and
we
found
this
one-
that
we
did
the
last
rate
study
because
people
were
upset.
We
had
done
that
step
increase
two
years
ago
and
a
lot
of
it's
just
choice
in
landscaping
that
they're
not
Landscaping
with
a
zero
escaping
desert
landscape
pellet.
They
want
large
Lush,
Lance
Lawns
and
they
they're
willing
to
pay
for
it
or
they
want.
You
know
different
type
of
a
non-native.
D
F
D
A
F
Done
yes,
councilman
Silva,
just
one
question
Sean
the
Wheeling
agreement
that
we
have
or
had
with
Carefree
for
the
300
acre
feet
per
year,
which
was
their
water
that
we
made
a
little
money
if
they
called
it.
Does
that
go
away
when
the
final
disconnection
of
those
540
houses
are
done
in
areas
a
b
and
c
or
is
it
still?
There
I
know
that
there
was
discussion
of
that
with
the
yeah.
J
Q
Q
As
mentioned
earlier,
we
were
talking
with
Carefree
they
because
it's
still
in
place
they
they
believe
at
some
point
they'll
last
for
that
water.
They
have
not
asked
for
it
since
2019,
but
we
are
designing
to
interconnect
sites
to
allow
for
that
and
to
meter
that
into
the
system
the
way
the
contract
actually
reaches
they
they
are
supposed
to
like.
We
do
with
the
cap
place
in
order
for
the
next
year
in
advance,
and
they
haven't
placed
that
order
yet
with
us.
Q
So
it's
actually
due
due
by
October
or
something
like
that.
So
I
need
to
probably
talk
to
grego
and
it
sets
a
rate
structure
and
it's
actually
in
the
contract
as
far
as
what
we
can
charge
for
with
them.
But
yet
in
a
nutshell,
it
is
still
a
valid
agreement.
It's
still
in
place.
It's
still
a
legally
binding
contract
with
them.
H
H
H
J
A
J
H
J
H
E
Answer
yes,
so
so
the
the
idea
behind
what
we're
trying
to
do
with
the
capacity
fees
is
that
new
development
that's
coming
in
is
supposed
is
going
to
be
buying
into
the
system
and,
in
effect,
reimbursing
existing
development
for
the
Investments
that
they've
made
into
the
system.
So
this
nine
million
dollars
that
came
from
the
general
fund
didn't
come
from
existing
development
through
rates.
It
came
from
some
other
source.
E
So
if
we
were
to
ask
future
development
to
pay
that
nine
million
dollars
they'd
be
reimbursing
existing
development
for
a
payment
that
was
never
made
by
them
directly
through
their
rates
themselves,
so
in
that
case
we'd
be
reimbursing
somebody
for
something
that
they
didn't
actually
pay.
For.
So
that's
why
the
deduction
is
being
made.
E
J
H
F
L
J
A
The
system
is
an
asset
yeah
right
of
the
community
and
what
we
we
did
is
we
had.
We
had
to
to
feed
the
asset
more
than
it
was
bringing
us
and
they
it
accumulated
that
those
those
numbers
and
we
basically
for
the
general
fund.
As
the
council,
we
essentially
had
the
general
fund,
forgive
the
utility
for
subsidizing
them
for
that
length
of
time,
because
the
asset
in
the
long
run
is
going
to
be
a
big
deal
as
long
as
we
don't
run
out
of
water
in
Lake
made.
H
L
Yeah
yeah,
when,
when
the
when
the
Enterprise
funds
did
not
generate
enough
cash,
they
went
to
deficit.
Well,
we
still
paid
the
bills
that
money
came
out
of
the
general
fund
right.
There
was
no
loan.
There
was
no
nothing,
it
was
automatic
right.
The
decision
was
made
because
the
accounting
was
so
bad
that
we
couldn't
identify
whose
Ox
was
gored
we
couldn't
find
out
who
to
so.
L
The
decision
was
made
at
that
time
that
we
weren't
going
to
ask
the
rate
payers
in
Cave
Creek
to
reimburse
the
general
fund
or
the
Wastewater
system,
the
university
general
fund,
and
we
couldn't
identify
between
Desert
Hills
and
everybody
else.
So
we
kind
of
drew
a
line
in
the
sand
and
said
from
this
time
forward.
We're
not
we're
going
to
stop
subsidizing
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
for
the
rate
increases
and
things
we're
seeing
today
is
we're
going
to
get
those
systems
on
a
paying
basis
and
I'm,
not
sure.