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Description
Speakers:
• Kristen Johnson, J.D., Manager, Colorado River Section, ADWR
• Alexandra Arborleda, Board Secretary, Central Arizona Water Conservation District (CAWCD)
• Ken Seasholes, Manager, CAP Resource Planning and Analysis
• Michele Van Quathem, Water Counsel, Town of Cave Creek
• Shawn Kreuzwiesner, Utilities Director, Cave Creek Water
Associated documents: https://cavecreek.civicweb.net/filepro/documents/52146/
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I
am
timing,
everybody
and
you
will
hear
a
beep
after
your
20
minutes
are
up
for
those
of
you
who
have
questions.
We
have
agendas
and
we
have
forms
on
this
table
over
here
as
well
as
some
treats
for
you
to
fill
out.
If
you
have
questions,
you
should
note
on
the
question
form
which
agenda
item
you
wish
to
speak
on
your
name
and
address
and
then
hand
it
to
our
town
clerk
teresa
reza,
who
is
sitting
over
here
to
the
far
right
in
a
black
shirt.
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Ms
johnson
manages
staff
conducting
technical
analyses
and
modeling
exercises
environmental
compliance
and
water
contract
transfers
within
the
state
of
arizona
prior
to
bringing
her
expertise
to
the
state
of
arizona.
Kristin
was
a
government
affairs
specialist
at
the
coachella
valley,
water
district
in
palm
desert,
california,
and
attorney
advisor
for
the
united
states
department
of
the
interior's
bureau
of
reclamation.
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In
addition
to
the
colorado
river,
she
has
been
directly
involved
in
issues
affecting
the
klamath,
missouri,
columbia
and
republican
river
basins.
Kristen
johnson
earned
a
bachelor
of
arts
degree
in
anthropology
from
washington
university
in
st
louis
and
a
juris
doctor
from
southern
illinois.
University
school
of
law
in
carbondale
illinois
welcome,
kristin.
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However,
if
you
remember
one
thing
from
this
presentation,
it's
that
the
sum
total
of
everything
that
adwr
does
is
reflected
in
this
one
slide
and
another
thing
that
I
do
want
to
point
out:
keep
in
mind
that
in
water
we
measure
water
in
terms
of
acre
feet.
So
you're
going
to
hear
me
talking
about
acre
feet,
not
gallons
right.
An
acre
foot
is
325,
851
gallons,
just
keep
in
mind,
325
000
gallons,
that
is
about
the
equivalent
of
the
amount
of
water.
It
takes
to
support
two
to
three
average
families.
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For
one
year,
okay,
so
that
just
gives
you
a
general
idea
of
what
an
acre
foot
can
do
and
we're
going
to
move
quickly
through.
Some
of
these
here
is
just
some
general
information
about
arizona's
water
use
by
source.
You
can
see
the
colorado
river
does
represent
36
percent
of
the
state's
water
portfolio.
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The
act
not
only
established
the
department,
but
it
also
established
five
active
management
areas
and
the
goals
of
those
ground.
Water
management
act
and
the
amas
is
to
regulate
groundwater
for
areas
in
the
state
in
which
80
percent
of
the
population
resides.
So
again,
there
are
five
amas
or
active
management
areas
and
those
amas
cover
80
percent
of
arizona's
population.
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So,
what's
the
regulatory
structure
of
the
department
of
water
resources,
we
have
a
tiered
regulatory
structure,
the
slide's
not
comprehensive,
but
it
should
give
you
a
general
idea
of
sort
of
how
the
department
regulates
water
within
the
state.
So
again,
there
are
some
requirements
that
do
apply
to
the
entirety
of
arizona
such
as
registration
of
all
new
wells.
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So,
as
I
touched
on
before,
the
amas
have
management
plans
that
contain
conservation
programs
and
regular
regulatory
requirements
and
effective
dates
for
each
of
those
amas
currently
authorized
by
statute.
There
are
five
management
plans
we
are
currently
in
the
implementation
period
for
the
fourth
management
plan
and
the
department
is
working
on
promulgating.
The
fifth
management
plan
there
has
been
a
plan
focused
work
group
called
the
management
plan,
work
group,
clever
name
that
has
worked
with
stakeholders
around
the
state
to
develop
those
fifth
management
plans
for
each
of
the
amas
right.
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Major
changes
in
structure
and
content
from
the
fourth
management
plan
to
the
fifth
include
a
shift
to
move
data
online
so
that
we
have
increased
transparency
and
an
ability
to
continue
with
ongoing
updates
an
added
executive
summary
to
each
of
those
five
management
plans.
They've
been
streamlined,
there's
also
added
engagement,
information
for
stakeholder
engagement
with
the
department.
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Some
major
changes
have
occurred
to
the
recharge
program.
Let's
see,
where
else
have
there
been
major
changes,
I
know
for
a
fact.
One
of
the
major
changes
included
for
golf
courses
overhauled
the
allotment
calculation
method
to
better
reflect
actual
practices,
and
recent
consumptive
use
analysis.
So
certainly
we
see
from
a
press
perspective
right.
Golf
courses
get
a
lot
of
pressure
to
try
to
be
more
efficient
or
a
lot
of
folks
in
the
media.
Ask
you
know
if
we
need
to
cut
our
water
use,
why?
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The
department
considers
this
basically
the
state's
insurance
policy,
so
in
those
ama
areas,
anyone
who
is
coming
in
to
do
a
new
development
has
to
prove
a
physical
availability
of
water
for
100
years
that
physical
availability
has
to
also
be
continuously
available
and
legally
available,
and
those
are
three
separate
requirements
that
have
to
all
be
met
in
order
to
receive
a
certificate
of
assured
and
adequate
water
supply.
There
have
been
some
discussions
in
the
state
legislature
about
reducing
that
time
period
from
100
years
down
to
I've
heard
50.
I've
heard
as
low
as
30..
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So
now
we
can
start
talking
about
things
that
I
know
more
about,
because
I
am
the
colorado
river
programs
manager
so
to
get
us
acquainted
sort
of
with
where
we're
at.
I
just
thought.
I'd
present
a
very
brief
overview
of
the
basin,
so
we've
got
a
basin
map.
It
covers
seven.
Western
states
supplies
water
to
40
million
people,
29
federally
recognized
tribes,
22
of
which
are
within
the
state
of
arizona.
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And
then
I
will
certainly
let
my
cap
colleagues
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
their
own
infrastructure,
but
just
so
we
can
get
us
again.
A
picture
of
where
we're
talking
about
the
central
arizona
project
does
take
water
off
of
the
main
stem
colorado
river
for
delivery
through
the
central
part
of
arizona.
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Okay,
so,
as
catherine
mentioned
in
the
year,
2022
we've
been
operating
in
the
first
ever
declared
shortage
on
the
colorado
river.
We've
been
in
a
tier
one
shortage
and
on
august
16th,
just
last
month,
the
bureau
of
reclamation,
who
is
responsible
for
managing
the
colorado
river,
announced
that
in
2023
we
will
be
operating
in
a
tier
2,
a
shortage.
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So
what
that
means
is
arizona
will
go
from
a
reduction
in
its
supply
of
512
000
acre
feet
and
our
reduction
will
increase
to
592
000
acre
feet,
and
that
is
a
mandatory
reduction
under
two
agreements
and
two
operating
laws
that
we're
currently
operating
under
known
as
the
2007
guidelines
and
the
drought
contingency
plan.
Otherwise
we
call
it.
The
dcp
probably
heard
a
lot
about
that
in
about
2018.
It
was
enacted
in
2019..
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So
if
you
look,
I
don't
think
I
have
a
laser
pointer
on
here,
but
that's
okay.
So
that's
all
right.
So
if
we
look
at
the
dcp
water
savings
contributions,
it's
kind
of
this
chunk
of
columns
right
in
the
middle
right
and
we
go
down
and
we
see
arizona
when
we
get
to
a
tier
2
b.
Our
contribution
stays
at
240,
000,
acre
feet,
we'll
go
over
to
the
red
column.
Look
at
california
in
a
tier
2,
a
california,
is
still
contributing
zero
water,
and
that
is.
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By
virtue
of
again
those
agreements,
these
agreements
have
been
in
place.
They
are
long-standing,
however,
as
we
move
further
into
shortage,
arizona
does
take
incremental
reductions
to
its
water
supply.
However,
I
just
want
to
underscore
that
currently
in
2023,
arizona,
or
rather
california
excuse
me,
is
not
scheduled
to
take
any
reductions
to
its
water
supply.
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So
these
these
charts
and
graphs
were
were
presented
on
august
16th
when
reclamation
announced
the
tier
2
a
shortage.
We
are
currently
looking
at
the
projections
for
lake
powell
and
some
of
those
horizontal
lines
represent
what
we
call
critical
elevations
elevations
in
the
reservoir
that
we
really
don't
want
to
dip
below.
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That
bottom
dashed
line
represents
the
minimum
power
pool
at
glen
canyon
dam.
If
we
fall
below
that
that
power
facility
is
no
longer
generating,
so
it's
pretty
critical
that
we
keep
an
eye
on
projections
and
and
where
the
reservoir
levels
are
falling,
because
not
only
do
we
not
want
to
fall
below
that
for
for
power
purposes,
but
in
a
couple
of
slides
I
will
explain
that
it
also
would
impact
arizona's
water
delivery,
but
again
first,
let's
focus
on
this.
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We
have
a
generally
good
idea
of
where,
where
we
think
we're
going
to
be,
the
projections
are
pretty
good
right,
but
as
we
move
further
out
in
that
projection
period,
naturally
we
just
have
a
little
bit
more
unknowns.
The
hydrologic
record,
the
traces,
the
models
you
can
see,
there's
a
wide
band
of
variability
there
and
that
just
has
to
do
with
the
nature
of
modeling,
and
I'm
sure
ken
could
probably
correct
me
because
he
deals
in
the
modeling
space
a
lot
more
than
I
do
so
again.
This
is
lake
powell.
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I
see
a
questioning
look
over
here,
so
I
hope
you're
following
me.
But
again
you
see
that
narrower
band
of
probability,
but
we
are
also
looking
at
some
really
scary
numbers
here.
Look
at
that
elevation
potentially
falling.
You
know
below
1000
feet
at
lake
mead,
potentially
by
july,
of
actually
falling
below
a
thousand
at.
What's
that
look
like
april
of
2024.
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So
I
talked
really
briefly
about
not
only
is
protecting
glen
canyon
dam,
important
for
hydropower,
it's
important
for
water
delivery,
and
I'm
going
to
explain
why
here
in
a
second,
you
can
see
the
orange
lines
on
the
cross
section.
Those
represent
pen
stocks,
the
blue
dashed
line
represents
river
outlet
works.
The
pen
stocks
are
what
actually
produce
the
hydropower.
There
are
eight
of
those
if
we
fall
below
30
for
90
and
are
no
longer
able
to
move
water
through
the
pen
stocks.
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The
only
way
that
we
can
move
water
past
glen
canyon
dam
is
to
use
the
river
outlet
works
or
the
bypass
tubes
there's
only
four
of
those
okay,
so
just
by
math
we're
losing
volume
and
the
ability
to
move
water.
Past
glen
canyon
dam
now
bear
with
me.
This
looks
complicated,
but
I'm
going
to
help
you
through
it.
This
also
explains
why,
if
we
had
to
become
wholly
reliant
on
those
four
river
outlet
works,
we're
going
to
be
potentially
in
trouble
very
quickly
right.
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Now,
if
you
look
at
the
lower
axis,
the
horizontal
axis,
if
you
go
down
in
elevation,
okay,
you're
gonna
see
that
as
you
lose
head
and
as
you
lose
pressure,
you're
losing
the
ability
to
move
the
water
through
those
pen
stocks
and
then,
let's
just
say,
for
some
horrible
reason
for
maintenance
or
maybe
there's
even
a
catastrophic
failure.
We
have
to
take
one
of
those.
Maybe
two
of
those
bypass
tubes
out
of
operation,
suddenly
look
how
much
water
delivery
capacity
we're
losing.
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C
These
slides
or
regular
these
graphs,
I
want
you
to
focus
on
particularly
the
orange
line.
Okay,
we
have
lake
powell
on
the
left.
We
have
lake
mead
on
the
right.
Both
of
these
scenarios
were
modeled
by
the
bureau
of
reclamation
looking
at
various
hydrologies
and
notice,
particularly
on
the
teal
line.
That
future
does
not
look
very
good
for
the
elevations
of
either
of
those
reservoirs,
the
orange
line.
You
say,
wow
that
looks
pretty
okay,
there's
a
nice
wet
year
in
2024
they
modeled
123
of
average
inflow.
C
We
have
depleted
our
savings
accounts
in
both
of
those
reservoirs
and
I'm
here
to
tell
you
and
to
underscore
that
one
good
wet
year
is
not
going
to
save
the
system
and
we
need
to
stop
thinking
in
terms
of
well
wait.
Maybe
next
year
is
going
to
be
a
wet
year
and
it's
going
to
be
okay,
we
have
a
long
way
to
go
to
recover
the
system
and
that's
what
I
want
you
to
take
away
from
this
slide.
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B
C
That
is
an
excellent
question.
By
and
large,
as
I
understand
it,
probably
the
the
most
likely
source
would
be
a
desal
partnership
and
exchange
adwr
cap,
southern
nevada,
water
authority
and
the
metropolitan
water
district
of
southern
california
are
currently
in
an
agreement
to
explore
expanded
d-cell
opportunities,
and
if
I
get
this
wrong,
ken
can
like
chuck
something
at
me.
But
at
this
point
right,
if
the
way
that
it
would
work,
there
would
be
a
desal
plant
potentially
either
on
the
california
coast
or
somewhere
in
mexico,
and
then
there
would
be
an
exchange.
C
So
instead
of
mexico
or
california
taking
its
delivery
of
colorado,
river
water,
it
would
use
that
d
cell,
water
and
then
arizona
or
southern
nevada.
Water
authority
would
basically
take
that
share
of
the
colorado
river
water.
So
that
is
the
primary
source
of
where
I
will
use
air
quotes.
New
water
can
come
from
I'll,
just
cut
off
sort
of
the
possibility
of
anyone
asking
me
about
a
pipeline.
C
It
is,
it
is
a
it's.
A
nice
idea
and
reclamation
did
complete
a
feasibility
study
several
years
ago.
They
determined
it
to
be
infeasible
from
an
engineering
and
cost
perspective,
and,
yes,
we
have
gas
pipelines
and
yes,
we
have
oil
pipelines,
and
I
will
tell
you
the
difference
is
water
is
very
heavy:
okay,
a
gallon
of
water
weighs
about
eight
pounds
and
so
to
have
the
infrastructure
right.
I'm
sure
cap
can
talk
about
that,
but
to
have
the
infrastructure
to
move
the
volume
of
water
plus
the
pumping
energy
required
to
move
it
across.
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C
Municipal
efficiency
can
certainly
continue
to
play
its
part
and
new
d
cell
water
is
also
going
to
be,
I
think,
very
attractive.
However,
when
you
think
about
you
know:
building
infrastructure
and
the
technology
for
desal
it's
going
to
be
expensive
and
folks
will
need
to
get
used
to
seeing
a
very
increased
water
utility
bill,
and
it's
also
going
to
be
at
least
10
years
down
the
road.
So
in
the
interim
right
when
we're
looking
at
these
kinds
of
projections,
we
still
need
to
be
conservative.
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C
G
C
G
I'm
going
to
plan
the
dreaded
planner's
answer,
which
is
it
depends
yes,
but
but
the
things
that
it
depends
on.
First
of
all,
obviously
natural
hydrology.
We
could
get
into
a
wetter
phase,
but
the
immediate
issues
we're
facing
is
these
kinds
of
the
magnitude
of
reductions.
I'm
sure
most
of
you
are
aware,
the
assistant
secretary
and
the
commissioner
for
the
bureau
of
reclamation
has
estimated.
We
need
two
to
four
million
acre
foot
in
reduction
in
demands
to
be
able
to
get
to
a
more
stable
near-term
situation.
G
That's
about
reducing
demands
and
that's.
What's
in
our
control,
we
obviously
don't
control
the
hydrology.
The
modeling
shows
that
a
single
year
is
not
enough
of
really
high.
Runoff
is
not
enough.
A
few
good
years
could
get
us
to
a
bit
healthier
position,
but
the
longer
term
issue
is
over
allocation.
G
We
are
facing
longer
term
drier,
hydrology
associated
with
climate
change,
so
we're
facing
right
in
front
of
us.
How
do
we
can
we
get
our
supply
and
demand
closer
into
balance,
large
reductions
necessary
beyond
the
kinds
of
things
that
have
been
negotiated
and
then
keeping
many
of
those
in
place
over
a
longer
period
of
time?
Many
of
the
things
that
kristin
just
mentioned
talk
about
augmentation,
but
also
demand
reductions,
efficiency,
much
of
that's
going
to
be
in
agriculture,
because
that's
where
the
water
is
being
primarily
used,
but
certainly
municipal
demand
reductions
as
well.
G
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
control
over
any
control
of
hydrology,
but
the
conversations
that
are
happening
among
the
seven
basin
states
and
the
republic
of
mexico
are
about
how
to
share
the
pain
of
further
reductions,
and
I
heard
the
question
whispered
that
I'm
going
to
add
because
it
was
an
obvious
question.
How
come
california
is
not
taking
any
not
to
jump
in
in
place,
but
in
1968
state
of
arizona
in
order
to
get
congressional
appropriation
for
the
central
arizona
project
had
to
agree
under
duress.
G
No
question
to
get
california's
congressional
delegation
on
board
to
have
the
cap
be
junior
to
almost
all
other
users
in
the
colorado
river
basin.
We
got
a,
we
got
a
beautiful
piece
of
infrastructure,
that's
done
lots
of
great
benefit
for
the
state,
but
we
did
have
to
agree
to
that.
There
were
other
conditions
around
that,
but.
F
I'll
add
to
your
answer,
ken
when
you
start
to
talk
about
shortages
on
the
colorado
river,
you
get
to
a
point
where
you're
getting
into
the
1921
compact
22
compact,
and
that
was
a
negotiation
among
the
basin
states
that
allocated
water.
That
hadn't
really
been
allocated
yet,
but
there
were
already
users
old
users
and,
according
to
western
water
law,
the
people
who
were
already
there
already
using
were
kind
of
grandfathered
in
that
compact
and
california's
users
are
almost
all
that
old.
F
So
they
have
the
most
senior
water
rights
when
you
look
just
at
who
was
using
in
history,
and
so
if
people
get
cut
they're
the
last
ones
to
get
cut
under
western
water
law
and
that
sort
of
reflected
a
little
bit
in
the
compact.
So
that's
why
they're
not
taking
cuts
until
later
under
under
western
water
law,.
E
C
Yep
so
for
folks
online,
the
question
is
for
ag
use
and
for
imposing
reductions
on
ag
use
sort
of
what
mechanism
would
likely
be
used
to
do
that?
Whereas
for
a
municipality
you
can,
you
know,
pass
a
ordinance
or
a
you
know,
municipal
regulation,
so
that
was
a
lovely
segue.
Thank
you
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
talk
about
a
letter
that
was
sent
from
the
southern
nevada
water
authority
general
manager
on
august
15th,
so
the
general
manager's
name
is
john
enzinger.
Each
state.
C
Each
of
the
seven
basin
states
has
one
representative
who
is
appointed
by
the
governor
and
those
are
the
governor's
representatives,
these
classic
names
right.
Where
do
they
come
up
with
them?
John
is
nevada's
representative
for
the
basin
states
negotiations
and
john
sort
of
beat
the
news
cycle
for
the
august
24
month,
study
ken
referenced.
C
And
the
commissioner
responded?
Yes,
we
will
protect
the
system
and
so
this
sort
of
laid
the
foundation
for
a
lot
of
speculation
in
the
media.
What's
what's
what
are
the
feds
going
to
do?
And
two
things
happened?
Three
things
really
happened.
On
august
16th,
a
interior
announced
a
tier
two,
a
shortage
which
we've
already
talked
about
b.
It
became
very
apparent
that
the
basin
states
were
unable
to
negotiate
a
deal
among
themselves
to
come
up
with
two
to
four
million
acre
feet
and
see.
C
Several
weeks
later,
director
bushoski
from
adwr,
our
director
sent
a
follow-up
letter
endorsing
that
snwa
letter
and
primarily
what
is
being
endorsed
from
arizona
and
nevada's
perspective
is
to
impose
evaporative
and
system
losses
on
the
lower
basin.
Currently,
upper
basin
water
users
do
take
evaporative
and
system
losses,
but
the
lower
basin
does
not.
C
So
if
arizona
is
by
virtue
of
the
compact
supposed
to
get
2.8
million
acre
feet
delivered
to
it,
we
get
2.8
million
acre
feet,
delivered,
not
2.8
minus
whatever
evaporates
in
the
canal
along
the
way
or
whatever,
like
might
seep
right
along
the
way
through
the
river.
So
that's
number
one
imposing
evaporation
and
system
losses.
C
It
is
going
to
be
a
tough
pill
to
swallow
for
a
lot
of
folks,
because
it
means
you
take
what
you
are
currently
using
and
what
you
are
currently
diverting
and
you
have
to
cut
it
right
because
you
have
to
account
for
those
evaporative
losses.
Item
number
two
that
was
outlined
in
that
letter
that
adwr
has
endorsed
is
for
reclamation
to
use
some
existing
authorities
or
potentially
look
for
new
authorities,
if
required
right
if
it
needs
new
legislation
from
the
congress.
C
Let's
let's
examine
that,
but
hopefully
using
existing
authorities
to
look
at
a
new
definition
of
beneficial
use
and
michelle
could
give
us
a
whole.
You
know
treat
us
on
on
what
beneficial
use
means
in
terms
of
western
water,
but
basically
sort
of
the
question,
and
I
of
course
would
never
say
anything
that
director
bushoski
hasn't
already
said
in
public
right,
but
looking
at
what
kinds
of
crops
are
being
grown
in
arid
regions
and
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
H
They
they
do
still
have
some
access
to
groundwater
supplies
and
grandfathered
groundwater
rights,
so
they
will
be
using
some
groundwater,
but
but
it's
going
to
reduce
production,
it
will
they'll
be
following
land
and
we
will.
We
will
see
that
impact.
If
you
look
at
the
agricultural
users
along
the
colorado
river,
so
primarily
in
the
yuma
area,
they
have
some
of
the
highest
priority
rights
and,
as
michelle
mentioned,
that
the
prior
appropriation
doctrine
first
in
time,
first
and
right
is-
is
kind
of
state
western
water
law.
H
Interstate
international
streams
are
sometimes
a
little
bit
different.
You
look
at
equitable
apportionment,
but
primarily
we
look
at
this
priority
system
and
the
agriculture
cultural
users
along
the
colorado
river
have
very
senior
rights,
and
cap
has
the
junior
right.
So
that's
why
we're
in
this
negotiation
to
try
and
and
figure
out
what
we
can
do
the
system
losses
and
evaporation
is
something
I
think,
a
lot
of
arizona
nevada.
H
A
lot
of
us
agree
that
would
be
an
important
first
step
to
get
everybody
to
equitably
share
in
those
we
lose
about
1.2
million
acre
feet
just
in
evaporation
from
lake
powell,
lake
lake
mead.
So
it's
a
big
number
and,
and
so
then
the
second
thing
I
just
want
to
add
is
ndrip
is
something
that
cap
has
been
doing
some
pilot
studies
it.
What
it
is
is
a
technology
that
it
came
out
of
israel,
where
I
believe
80
of
their
agriculture
is
used,
uses,
drip
technology
and
it's
a
gravity
flow
drip.
H
Irrigation
system
we've
been
looking
at
it,
working
with
some
farms
along
the
colorado
river
and
in
the
west
valley
here
looking
to
see.
If
we
can,
if,
if
that
technology
is
implemented,
can
we
produce
the
same
or
more
amount
of
crops
with
less
water
and
how
much
does
it
all
cost?
How
does
it
work
we're
still
at
the
pilot
stage,
but
and
and
there's
kind
of
variable
results,
so
it
works
pretty
well
with
some
crops,
not
as
well
with
other
crops.
H
H
B
B
B
I
H
You
well
it's
it's
really
a
pleasure
to
be
here
and
thank
you
all
for
coming
out
tonight.
This
is
such
an
important
issue
and
I
find
whenever
I
speak,
to
groups
that
people
are
really
engaged
and
really
want
to
understand
water,
better
and
but
it's
also
very
technical
and
complex,
and
so
fortunately
you
have
here
some
great
minds
on
this
and
and
I'm
I'm
really
honored
to
be
here.
So
I
will
I'm
going
to
talk
about
central
arizona
project.
H
I
think
you
know
we
touched
on
this
kristen
touched
on
this
earlier,
but
it's
basically
a
336
mile
long
aqueduct
that
carries
water
from
lake
havasu
to
south
of
tucson,
and
the
important
thing
to
understand
is
that
it
has
to
push
that
water
up
3000
feet.
So
it's
an
initial
1500
feet
and
then
there's
14
pumping
plants
and
10
siphons
four
tunnels.
H
H
H
H
Water
usage
for
2022
this
slide
has
really
changed
so
currently
about
61
of
our
cap.
Water
is
used
by
municipal
and
industrial
subcontractors.
Thirty-Five
percent
is
used
by
indian
tribes
and
four
percent
by
agriculture.
In
prior
years.
The
agriculture
was
a
higher
number,
but
as
I
as
I
said,
under
the
the
reductions
they
were
cut
by
about
65
percent,
so
four
percent
left
there
cap's
economic
impact,
so
carl
hayden,
you
know
his
family
had
a
farm
down
near
tempe
in
in
the
early
1900s.
H
H
We
serve
six-year
terms
because
this
is
all
very
complicated
to
learn,
and
so
you
know
by
the
time
you
understand
it.
You've
probably
been
on
the
board
six
years
we
have
staggered
elections
every
two
years.
Five
seats
are
on
the
general
ballot,
it's
a
non-partisan
election
and
we
have
ten
members
representing
maricopa
county,
one
representing
pinal
county
and
one
and
four
representing
pima
county,
and
that's
really
based
on
population
and
there's
weighted
voting.
H
H
H
B
Prior
to
joining
cap
ken
was
the
tucson
area
director
for
the
arizona
department
of
water
resources,
ken
earned
his
bachelor
of
arts
degree
in
political
science
and
government
from
the
university
of
colorado,
boulder
and
his
master's
degree
in
geography
from
the
university
of
arizona
in
tucson.
Thank
you,
ken.
G
Great
and
thank
you
for
inviting
me
here
and
we'll
touch
on
lots
of
the
topics
I
was
going
to
mention
one
of
the
other
attributes
of
the
water
community.
In
addition
to
lots
of
complexity,
we
really
like
acronyms,
so
it's
a
it's
a
little,
it's
a
little
dense,
but
obviously
one
of
the
one
of
the
critical
issues
we
are
facing.
G
E
G
To
the
lower
basin
and
where
our
colorado
river
supply
comes
from,
and
we
are
clearly
in
the
lower
portions
of
the
reservoir
and
it's
below
that
second
tier
trigger
for
2023,
again
some
of
the
same
kind
of
statistics
on
the
right
in
terms
of
how
our
water
supply
is
being
used
and
both
for
the
agricultural
dedicated
supply
for
agriculture
and
the
supplies
we've
used
in
the
past
for
storage
underground.
Those
supplies
are
the
first
to
go.
G
But
I'll
talk
more
specifically
about
about
that
aspect,
because
we've
mentioned
several
times
in
a
couple
of
different
contexts:
priority
and
michelle
made
a
great
reference
to
priority
dates,
but
the
takeaway
I
want
to
leave
you
with
is
that
within
the
cap
system
itself
within
the
supply
that's
available
to
cap,
there's
pri
there's
priority
within
that
as
well,
so
we
have
junior
priority
relative
to
most
other
colorado
users
and
then
within
the
cap
system.
There
are
additional
priorities
and
we
have
this.
We
refer
this
this
chart
as
our
block
chart.
G
G
These
names
are
a
little
bit
anachronistic
and
they're
a
little
bit
hard
to
decipher
in
some
ways,
and
they
don't
necessarily
reflect
how
some
of
the
water
supplies
are
being
used
and
more
about
how
the
supply
is
being
allocated.
So
it
says
indian
priority,
there's,
there's
higher
priority
supplies
within
the
cap
system
that
are
allocated
to
a
number
of
tribal
communities
in
arizona,
some
of
that's
used
by
the
tribes
themselves
for
agriculture
and
southern's,
leased
to
the
cities
m.
I
that's.
G
The
largest
portion
of
the
municipal
supply,
okay,
crete
has
a
portion
of
its
largest
cap
supply
is
in
that
lighter
blue
portion,
and
then
there's
that
orange
block
that
says
nia
that
refers
to
the
way
it
was
previously
used.
You
just
now
have
had
an
additional
supply
of
that
priority
added
to
the
cap
portfolio.
G
G
So
again,
we've
mentioned
several
times
now
that
we
are
facing
a
tier
2,
a
reduction
in
2023,
and
it
was
as
mentioned
earlier.
That's
a
592
000
acre
foot
reduction.
I
don't
know
we
come
up
with
numbers
on
these
things.
There's
a
reason
for
that,
but
the
impact
of
that
is
that
there's
a
reduction
starting
at
the
lowest
priority
and
coming
down,
and
it
happens
to
land
right
at
that
intersection
between
nia
priority
and
these
higher
priority
pools.
G
Kristen
also
mentioned
one
of
the
other
acronyms
dcp.
There
was
the
drought
reductions.
Part
of
that
592
is
part
of
these
negotiations
and
in
order
to
kind
of
have
a
bit
of
a
blunting
of
the
impacts
of
shortage.
There
are
negotiations
to
say
well,
particularly
starting
actually
with
some
of
the
agricultural
water,
that
little
bit
that's
still
available
in
2022
is
so-called
mitigation
and
there's
complicated
agreements.
It's
money.
G
It's
previously
stored
water,
it's
water
that
we've
stored
in
lake
mead
for
for
additional
release,
but
to
try
to
have
the
immediate
impacts
of
those
reductions
blunted
a
bit
and
for
2023
three
quarters
of
that
nia
supply
that
lower
priority
supply
under
tier
2a
is
restored.
That's
good,
but
that's
temporary
and,
as
you
may
remember
not
so
long
ago,
I
just
said
we're
still
facing
this
really
large
reduction.
G
So
this
is
still
looking
like
the
most
optimistic
outcome
for
after
for
2023,
and
it's
highly
unlikely
that
we
will
be
so
fortunate
for
2024..
Really,
it's
we're
kind
of
headed
into
into
deeper
shortage
almost
invariably.
But
this
is
a
this-
is
a
picture
for
the
this
upcoming
year
and
taking
advantage
of
those
supplies
managing
them
to
the
best
of
our
our
abilities.
G
So,
in
addition
to
priority,
so
so,
the
intent
of
those
priorities
really
is
to
try
to
insulate
some
of
those
highest
value
uses
not
that
all
all
uses
are
important
but
supplying
water
to
municipal
and
industrial
uses,
and
some
of
those
tribal
impact.
Tribal
users
is
really
really
where
most
of
that
economic
benefit
comes
from
and
we
want
to
protect
it.
So
the
priority
system
itself
provides
some
protection,
but
there
are
additional
kind
of
strategies:
lots
of
them
I'm
going
to
hit
just
briefly
on
on
three
additional
strategies.
G
Kristin
mentioned
this,
and
it's
really
much
more
in
the
regulatory
realm.
But
really
you
can't
emphasize
enough
the
conservation,
and
that
means
in
all
sectors
is
really
the
starting
point
for
many
of
their
how
to
manage
water
supplies
in
general.
We
do
live
in
an
arid
state.
We
think
about
this
stuff.
All
the
time.
G
Arizona
is
actually
pretty
progressive
in
terms
of
having
long-standing
regulations
and
tools
to
do
conservation,
particularly
in
these
active
management
areas,
and
this
map
shows
the
overlap
between
those
r3
county
service
area
and
those
three
central
amas
maricopa
pima
and
pinel
counties.
The
phoenix
canal
and
tucson
active
management
area
so
those
two
things
our
two
agencies
are
tightly
linked,
both
historically
and
in
how
we
we
manage
some
of
those
resources,
one
of
the
most
under-told
stories,
in
my
opinion-
and
it
actually
goes
all
the
way
back
to
that
first
slide
that
kristen
showed
about
well.
G
How
is
it
that
we
could
grow
hugely
in
population
and
an
economic
value
and
still
use
the
same
or
less
water
than
we
were
using
decades
ago?
Much
of
that
is
transition
and
some
improvements
in
agricultural
efficiency,
but
also
in
the
municipal
sector.
So
the
overall
per
person
usage
in
this
is
in
our
all.
Three
counties
in
central
arizona
has
been
on
a
steady
downward
trajectory
and
a
lot
of
that's
happened.
Kind
of
invisibly,
low
flow,
toilets,
improved
efficiency
in
in
irrigation,
but
choices
by
people
as
well.
G
G
It
is
also
true
that
every
water
provider,
whether
that's
a
town,
a
city
or
a
private
utility,
has
to
have
a
drought
response
plan
you've
seen
in
the
newspaper
and
other
places
that
there
are
these
being
triggered
and
we'll
talk.
I'm
sure
some
more
about
that
here
in
the
later
part
of
the
presentation,
but
those
are
anticipating
different
trigger
levels
of
whether
it's
voluntary
things
and
some
of
the
deeper
levels
of
reduction
to
supply
also
then
bring
potential
restrictions,
mandatory
restrictions
in
each
of
those
sectors,
but
conservation.
G
The
same
attributes
that
make
this
area
the
phoenix
general
metro
area
and
some
of
the
other
parts
of
the
central
and
southern
arizona
productive
for
pumping
groundwater
also
make
it
suitable
for
recharge.
So
you
can
see
the
pictures
here
on
the
left
of
what
look
like
lakes.
These
are
extremely
leaky
lakes.
G
The
rate
of
infiltration
is
measured
in
feet
per
day,
so
it's
actually
sometimes
hard
to
keep
these
big
basins
full
you
keep
putting
water
in
and
it's
soaking
through
rubble,
basically
gravel
sands
they're
sighted
they're,
located
in
areas
where
the
hydrogeology
is
favorable.
For
that
the
specific
mechanism
that
we've
been
using
there's
an
institution
secretary,
arbolta
alex
I
mentioned
this
year-
the
arizona
water
banking
authority
and
we'll
get
to
it
in
a
second
is
one
of
the
mechanisms.
G
Put
it
back
into
our
aquifers,
it
doesn't
evaporate
there,
it
can
stay
there
and
can
be
used
later.
That's
a
that's
water.
Banking
kind
of
it's
got
lots
of
other
complexity,
of
course,
but
that's
one
of
the
strategies
we
use
the
arizona
water
banking
authority
is,
has
stored.
Four
million
acre
feet
of
water
in
the
aquifers
of
the
central
part
of
the
state.
There's
an
additional
eight
million
acre
feet,
that's
been
stored
by
other
entities
and
that's
primarily
cities,
but
some
of
the
tribes
have
been
doing
the
same
thing.
G
This
has
helped
keep
our
water
table
from
further
decline
and
it
provides
a
backup
supply,
not
a
full
backup
supply.
It's
it's
meant
as
a
supplemental
supply,
not
a
full
replacement
supply,
but
this
is
how
we
can
take
again
some
of
the
largest
impacts
of
shortage
and
alleviate
that,
and
it's
part
of
the
way
that
individual
utilities,
water
utilities,
help
manage
their
supplies.
G
G
The
last
strategy
of
this
touch-on
is
really
the
kind
of
the
bread
and
butter
of
a
lot
of
what
all
the
folks
in
front
of
you
do,
which
is
try
to
think
about
how
to
manage
what
we
have
and-
and
that
also
implies
it-
to
individual
utilities
as
big
as
an
important
as
cap
and
cap
water
is
to
the
vibrancy
of
central
arizona.
It's
not
the
only
supply
in
the
municipal
sector.
It's
a
it's
about
40
percent.
G
Now
some
cities
and
some
utilities
are
much
more
reliant
on
it
and
some
not
at
all,
but
that
diversity
cert
in
in-state,
surface
water,
that's
again,
mostly
srp
ground
water
effluent.
That's
a
large
resource,
that's
increasingly
being
used
as
meeting
some
of
the
municipal
demands,
some
of
that
for
golf
courses,
but
also
there's
pilot
scale
activity
to
directly
use
it
for
reuse,
many
mechanisms
that
way
and
infrastructure.
G
Yes,
of
course,
I
work
for
an
organization
that
has
a
big
piece
of
infrastructure.
So,
of
course,
we
think
about
that,
but
that
also
includes
wells
and
interconnections
among
water
providers
and
some
of
these
other
strategies,
like
exchanges,
one
city-
might
have
you
know
good
groundwater
capacity,
but
not
much
cap
allocation,
another
one
might
have
some
effluent
and
some
other
supplies.
G
G
That's
going
to
be
much
more
of
the
kind
of
things
you're
going
to
be
seeing
at
cap,
but
also
among
individual
water
utilities,
managing
what
we
have
sharing
coming
up
with
the
innovative
arrangements
to
make
sure
that
we
can
keep
our
economy
going
grow
responsibly
and
keep
that
trillion
dollar
economy
going.
So
I'm
going
to
pass.
B
J
I'm
famous
for
talking
too
long,
just
ask
any
of
the
council
first,
I
want
to
thank
everybody
on
the
council,
mr
mayor
members
of
the
council,
our
wonderful
guests.
Some
of
that
was
really
depressing.
The
rest
was
just
terrifying
and
you
know,
oh,
I
think
I
think.
Actually
I
have
I'm
going
to
be
the
only
person
here
with
good
news
as
amazing,
as
that
could
be,
I've
installed
a
rainwater
harvesting
system
for
my
home,
and
what
rainwater
harvesting
means
is
that
the
gutters
on
your
house
go
into
a
tank.
J
I
actually
have
two
of
them
couple
out
buildings.
I
have
a
total
of
4
900
square
feet
under
roof,
so
that
takes
in
your
garage.
Your
patio
covers
everything
like
that,
and
that
system
that
I
have,
if
we
get
eight
inches
of
rain,
will
collect
24,
422
gallons
of
water.
I,
like
gallons,
better
than
acre
feet.
You
can
do
the
math
now
the
average
to
get
a
feel
for
that
the
average
we
use
about
8,
000
gallons
a
month
per
individual
consumer.
So
I
have
three
months
of
water
there
for
free.
J
J
J
I
haven't,
found
a
way
to
live
without
it,
so
this
maybe
is
a
way
that
we
can
make
sean's
life
a
little
better
here
and
it's
something
that
we
can
do
right
now
and
it's
it
is
bone.
Jarringly
simple,
it
doesn't
take.
Any
electricity
gravity
does
all
of
the
work
all
of
the
materials
everything
he
needs
available.
J
J
J
G
So
there
are
relatively
distinct
sub
basins
and,
and
there
is
some
lateral
flow
among
some
of
those
aquifers,
it's
in
the
map-
and
you
can
see
in
the
presentation
there.
The
depth
of
groundwater
depth
of
bedrock
varies
across
the
region
for
sure
much
of
the
water.
That's
in
our
aquifers
is
fossil
water.
It
was
accumulated
literally
over
tens
of
thousands
of
years
and
wetter
climates
in
the
lake
part
of
the
pleistocene
when
they're
at
their
fuller
state.
I
G
Well,
so
the
most
of
the
silt
is
captured
in
in
the
colorado
river
system,
large
scale
in
like
powell,
because
it's
receiving
that
variability
is
attenuated.
It
comes
into
lake
powell.
There
has
been
low
less
than
10
I'd,
say,
probably
a
few
million
acre
feet
that
has
been
lost
in
capacity,
but
that
capacity
and
much
of
that
would
have
been
below
deadpool.
G
G
G
But
the
fact
that
we
have
been
able
to
only
this
year
have
a
declared
shortage
is
in
large
part
because
of
the
size
of
those
reservoirs,
which
is
really
a
reflection
of
the
flashiness
of
the
colorado
river
system.
Set
aside,
the
increased
variability
we're
expecting
to
see
with
climate
change,
the
natural
colorado
river
system
has
been
highly
variable,
and
so
the
magnitude
of
those
two
reservoirs,
along
with
some
of
the
smaller
ones,
has
given
us
this
great
ability
to
manage
that
variability.
L
As
time
has
progressed,
there's
been
a
lot
of
talk
about
water.
That
really
isn't
there
I
mean
you
know
over
allocation
has
been
there
for
decades,
but
then
you
know,
there's
been
recent
talk
about
any
account
for
the
evaporation,
the
colorado
river
system.
I
haven't
seen
anything
talking
about
once
we
put
water
in
the
ground.
How
much
would
you
get
back
out?
I
know
the
aquifers
have
been
there
as
we
say:
they're
an
apostle
basically
they're
for
eons.
G
It's
a
great
question
and
I'll
answer
it
in
sort
of
two
different
ways:
if
you're
trying
to
retrieve
the
actual
molecules
of
water
that
you
stored,
it's
a
it's
a
fraction
of
that
to
be
able
to
get
it
straight
out
of
that.
The
way
we
actually
manage
our
aquifers
again,
we've
a
really
favorable
position
in
central
and
southern
arizona
with
these
aquifers
is
more
of
a
mass
balance,
way
that
we're
accounting
for
the
water
that's
added
to
the
aquifer
through
recharge,
it's
it's
there.
G
G
So
if
we're
trying
on
it
and
just
one
other
connection
point
the
kristen
mentioned
that
the
goal
of
the
phoenix
ama
is
safe,
healed,
safe,
yield.
Sure
sorry
about
that.
The
goal
for
this
active
management
area
is
safe,
yield
in
average
long-term
in
and
out
of
the
aquifer
in
balance,
and
that's
an
accounting
balance.
It's
real
that
water
that
we've
been
recharging
has
really
contributed
to
the
aquifer
and
the
amount
that
we
pump
is
all
measured.
G
F
G
G
There's
some
recharge
naturally
occurring
recharge
in
the
mountain
fronts
and
when
we
get
flows
in
our
otherwise
dry
riverbeds
that
there's
a
significant
portion
of
that
actually
does
ultimately
recontribute
to
the
aquifer,
but
it's
defined
among
the
in
the
legal
context.
This
concept
is
over
this
entire
active
management
area.
Now
that
does
include
many
sub-basins
and
smaller
areas.
H
Can
I
just
quickly
add
in
case
you
don't
remember
everything
that
we're
saying
tonight:
there
are
some
really
great
resources.
I
think
the
department
of
water
resources
has
a
great
website.
They
have
maps
of
the
groundwater
basins
and
sub-basins.
They
have
information
about
safe
yield
and
all
of
this
and
that's
azwater.gov,
right
and
and
then
cap.
We
have
central
arizonaproject.com
and
we
have
all
kinds
of
information
about
the
shortage
and
cap
system,
and
then
we
have.
H
We
also
manage
a
website
called
knowyourwaternews.com,
and
I
love
that
one,
because
we
have
all
these
two
page
fact
sheets
with
great
graphics
and
they're
kind
of
executive
summaries.
So
they
give
you
on
whatever
topic.
You
have
a
question
about.
They
give
you
a
short
summary
about
it,
so
I
just
encourage
you.
If
you
have
more
questions
after
or
you
can't
remember
something
to
go
to
those
those
resources.
A
Want
a
couple
people
to
thank
here,
one
of
them,
catherine
for
our
council
member
roy
a
for
putting
this
together
for
us.
I
really
appreciate
it.
I'm
sorry,
I
got
a
bug
out,
but
I
know
what
these
folks
are
going
to
say
because
we've
I've
heard
them
before,
but
thank
you
all
for
for
coming
and
doing
helping
educate
us
on
what's
actually
going
on
with
the
water
in
the
southwest.
B
B
B
In
this
critical
role,
sean
leads
and
oversees
water
and
wastewater
operations,
which
include
the
treatment
and
booster
sites
and
distribution
systems
for
both
cave
creek
and
desert
hills
communities,
in
addition
to
being
responsible
for
the
management,
maintenance
and
repair
of
our
utility
enterprise.
Mr
cruz
wisener
and
his
team
ensure
that
our
system
complies
with
all
federal
state
and
local
regulations,
sean
earned
his
bachelor's
degree
in
civil
engineering
from
mcmaster
university
in
hamilton,
ontario,
canada
and
a
master's
of
public
administration
from
grand
canyon
university.
B
Thank
you,
sean
and
I'll,
get
quickly
to
michelle
vanquatham.
Michelle
is
a
western
water
and
natural
resources
attorney
in
phoenix
ms
vanquatham
practices
in
the
water,
energy
mining,
natural
resources,
real
estate
and
environmental
law
areas.
Michelle
assists
businesses,
property
owners
and
water
districts,
evaluate
buy,
sell,
permit,
protect,
treat
discharge
and
store
water
and
waste
water
and
manage
other
natural
resources.
K
Well,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
attending
tonight,
and
this
is
a
very
important
topic
for
the
town
I'm
going
to
try
and
bring
this
down
to
the
level
of
how
does
this
impact
the
town
and
the
town's
resources?
You
know
the
numbers
you're
going
to
see
in
my
presentation
are
a
desk,
a
rounding
place
for
what
cap
and
adw
deal
with,
but
they're
they're
important
for
us
and
it's
important
for
our
customers.
K
So
I
want
to
start
with
just
a
general
overview
of
the
system.
We'd
run
two
water
systems,
so
in
total
we
have
just
under
5000
accounts,
and
this
is
a
graphic
that
shows
the
two
connected
water
systems,
the
k,
creek
water
system
and
the
desert
hills
water
system.
I
don't
want
to
spend
too
much
time
on
this,
I'm
going
to
actually
get
a
little
more
detail
on
each
of
the
systems.
K
K
That
process
has
physically
started,
so
that
is
going
to
lower
our
account
down
by
another
550
from
the
2900
I
just
mentioned,
and
then
we
actually
have
an
interconnect
with
the
desert
hill
system
that
was
actually
constructed
when
they
were
private
water
systems.
So
water
services
in
cape
creek
started
in
1955,
and
one
of
the
challenges
for
the
cape
creek
system
is,
we
talked
about.
You
know
the
delivery
of
c.a.p
water
from
the
colorado
river
to
the
to
the
municipal
providers
and
customers
where
they
have
to
pump
that
water
3000
feet
in
elevation.
K
Well,
we
actually
have
to
pump
it
12
miles
up
the
cave,
creek
road
from
the
cap
canal
up
600
feet
in
elevation
to
get
to
town.
So
that's
actually
how
our
major
water
supply
right
now
is.
Actually,
it's
the
only
water
supply
for
the
the
town
when
the
water
company
started,
it
actually
had
a
number
of
wells,
but
the
water
company,
as
a
private
cape
creek
water
company,
made
the
decision
to
go
to
surface
water,
partly
because
of
the
yield
of
those
wells
and
some
water
quality
issues.
K
Some
of
the
challenges
that
we
have
are
just
the
nature
of
the
system
is,
if
you
look
at
it
from
a
linear
standpoint
for
three
thousand
accounts,
just
under
3000
counts,
it's
a
very
large
spread
out
system,
so
we
have
a
lot
of
dead
end
lines.
We
also
have
a
lot
of
elevation,
so
we
have
a
lot
of
booster
stations
that
we
have
to
manage
to
move
that
water
around
the
system.
K
So
this
graphic
shows
you
the
desert
hill
system,
currently
just
over
1800
customers
in
that
digital
system.
That
system
started
in
1970
and
it
was
started
as
a
groundwater
system.
Right
now
we
have
three
active
wells.
The
yield
on
that
and
we'll
talk
about
this
later
has
actually
been
dropping,
so
the
system
has
been
reliant
on
the
interconnect
site
at
24th
street
and
cloud
road
to
actually
make
up
the
bulk
of
the
water,
since
the
town's
actually
taking
over
operations
in
2006.
Seven
time
frame.
K
Typically,
we'd
have
to
provide
at
least
half
the
water
in
the
last
couple
years
because
of
reductions
in
in
the
ground
water
table
and
the
yield
that
we're
able
to
pump
those
wells.
That's
gone
up
to
about
two
thirds
in
the
last
two
years,
so
we're
hoping
to
try
and
balance
that
down.
But
in
reality
we
don't
think
there's
much
groundwater
available
underneath
that
area
to
provide
the
connections.
K
I'm
going
to
do
a
quick
public
service
announcement.
We
are
doing
a
utility
rates
study
right
now.
We
had
a
work
session
with
our
council
yesterday,
we're
looking
to
adjust
the
rates
for
both
the
cave,
creek,
water
customers,
the
cave,
creek
wastewater
customers,
as
well
as
the
desert
hills
customers.
K
We
have
to
make
increases
to
pay
for
operation
and
maintenance,
repair
costs
and
future
capital
costs
to
pay
for
this
and
to
meet
our
financial
requirements
on
on
reserves
for
the
systems
and
debt
service
coverage.
That's
very
important
because
the
major
project
we
have
moving
forward
is
actually
an
interconnect
with
the
city
of
phoenix.
We're
not
wholesaling
water
from
phoenix
phoenix
will
treat
and
deliver
a
portion
of
the
town's
central
arizona
project,
but
we
need
to
make
the
facility
to
receive
that
water
and
get
into
our
system.
K
So
we
we're
looking
to
take
a
loan
out,
it's
a
very
expensive
project
over
nine
million
dollars
and
we
need
to
have
to
make
sure
we
have
the
debt
service
coverage
to
make
that
happen.
So
let's
bring
that
forward
to
you
the
last
time
the
town
did.
An
evaluation
of
our
rates
was
actually
two
years
ago.
At
that
time
we
weren't
sure
what
was
happening
with
the
the
disconnect
with
the
carefree
customers,
since
that
has
been
settled,
this
actually
rate
studies
in
accounting
for
that
loss
and
revenue
of
that
550
customers.
K
So
that's
something
we
have
to
factor
into
it
also.
So
I
look
right
now:
there
was
a
work
session
with
council
yesterday.
There
was
one
a
few
weeks
earlier
and
the
next
check-in
with
council
is
actually
september
19th.
So
next
monday
it's
just
going
to
be
the
notice
of
intent.
So
there's
not
going
to
be
much
information,
but
that
sets
a
statutory
time
frame.
So
at
that
point
we
have
60
days
to
do
a
public
hearing.
We
actually
are
going
to
get
the
final
report
out.
K
We
got
some
feedback
yesterday
from
council,
making
some
modifications,
but
we'll
we're
I'd
like
to
just
point
out
we're
going
to
do
some
outreach
and
just
keep
looking
for
that
and
we'll
welcome
feedback
from
our
customers
on
that
we're
looking
to
put
the
rates
in
place
by
january
and
that's
also
for
utility
rates
as
well
as
capacity
fees.
Those
are
the
fees
that
are
charged
to
do.
Connections
to
the
system.
K
Let
me
start
by
talking
about
water
resources,
so
the
town
does.
As
mentioned,
we
have
a
central
as
a
project
municipal
and
industrial
allocation.
2228
acre
feet
is
what
we
have
after
we
account
for,
and
the
transfer
to
carefree
is
about
to
occur.
It's
actually.
We
have
the
subcontract
it's
being
finalized,
that's
386
acre
feet
to
be
moved
or
378
acre
feet,
so
we
do
have
existing
groundwater
wells
and
we've
actually
been
trying
to
study
those
wells.
There's
about
12
well
sites
that
we.
K
We've
been
looking
at
those
so
as
part
of
balancing
out
and
making
a
more
reliable
water
supply,
we're
looking
at
all
potential
water
supplies
to
the
system.
We've
we've
had
those
wells
looked
at.
We
actually
next
step
in
and
is
actually
pulling
a
few
we've
pulled
a
few
wells.
We've
done
some
videos
of
them
to
verify.
K
We
actually
recently
did
complete
a
subcontract
for
non-eating
agricultural
water
for
desert
hills.
Ironically,
this
is
the
first
year
that
we
have
that
available
to
us
and
next
year,
there's
going
to
be
a
cut
to
that
water
because
it's
a
lower
priority.
But
it
is
a
lot
when
you
think
about
water
resources.
You
have
to
think
long
term.
So
the
fact
that
we
have
that
contract
in
place
means
that
now
we
have
a
a
renewable
water
supply
for
desert
hills
that
desert
hills
never
had
before.
K
K
And
when
we
talked
about
the
interconnect
between
the
desert
hill
system,
another
thing
is:
when
the
town
took
over
the
system,
there
was
actually
one
of
the
wells
had
a
water
quality
issue
which
is
high,
arsenic
water,
so
that
water
actually
is
being
blended
with
cape
greek
water.
So
that's
actually
something
we
want
to
look
at
moving
forward
to
see.
If
that's
something
we
want
to
separate
when
you
slide
to
make
it
in
so
I
will
talk
quickly
about
water
obligations.
It's
not
on
this
slide.
I
apologize
for
that
you'll
hear.
K
Sometimes
we
refer
to
certificates
of
assured
water
supply.
We
talked
about
when
a
new
development,
a
new
subdivision
comes
in.
It
actually
has
to
have
prove
out
a
hundred
years
worth
of
water
supply.
That
is
done
by
a
certificate
of
assured
water
supplies.
So
that's
actually
something
we've
been
working
on.
It's
an
obligation
for
the
town
and
and
not
all
of
the
certificates
have
actually
been
constructed.
K
So
we
believe
we
have
750
acre
feet
of
rcap
water
supplies
which
are
tied
up
in
certificates
of
the
shirt
water
supply.
268
additional
acre
feet:
69
acre
feet
are
actually
certificates
that
actually
fall
within
carefree,
so
we're
actually
talking
with
the
separation
of
system
we're
actually
having
a
discussion
with
arizona
department
of
water
resource
staff
to
make
sure
we
have
the
accounting
correct.
There's
some
other
numbers
have
been
thrown
out
for
the
number
of
certificates.
We've
actually
worked
with
staff
and
mapped
it
down
to
a
parcel
level.
We
trust
our
numbers.
K
We've
actually
had
some
meetings
with
adwr
staff
and
they're
looking
at
our
numbers.
Hopefully
they
agree
with
it,
but
we're
also
looking
to
make
sure
that,
when,
with
separations
of
the
systems
that
the
certificates
that
fall
within
the
cape
free
municipal
boundary
get
accounted
for
with
key
pre-municipal
boundary,
it's
just
a
technicality,
but
something
we
want
to
account
for
moving
forward.
K
So,
overall,
on
deliveries
of
the
nine
hundred
customers
in
the
cape
creek
system,
we
had
just
over
1400
acre
feet
of
cap
water
deliveries
about
300
of
that
actually
went
to
the
care
cave
greek,
carefree
customers.
So
I
talked
about
care
for
customers.
Those
are
the
550
accounts
that
currently
are
connected
to
the
system.
There's
been
about,
50
accounts
been
converted
over
and
that
process
is
moving
forward,
but
about
300
acre
feet
of
that.
K
We
also
did
a
delivery
of
raw
water
to
the
rancho
maniana
golf
course
that
234
acre
feet
that
is
actually
made
up
of
water
that
there's
some
of
that
is
wall
water
that
we
delivered
up
our
pipeline
all
the
way
to
the
golf
course
and
we
charge
them
for
that,
and
some
of
that
is
actually
processed
water.
As
you
treat
water
at
a
water
treatment
plant,
you
actually
have
some
some
waste
water.
You
have
some
back
wash
water,
that's
generated,
so
we
send
that
back
wash
water
to
the
golf
course.
K
In
addition
to
that
water,
the
wrench
manual
golf
course
also
gets
the
town's
wastewater
effluent.
The
way
the
system
was
built
and
constructed.
That's
the
delivery
point
for
so
moving
forward.
We
actually
want
to
look
at
other
options
to
help
balance
that
out.
I
have
a
slide
a
little
bit
that
will
show
you
some
of
the
dishes.
I
bring
up
the
wrench
manual
golf
course,
because
that's
our
largest
single
user,
besides
the
water
that
we
transfer
the
desert
hills
water
system.
K
So
it's
something
critical
for
us
to
understand
and
to
best
manage
for
the
town's
resources
of
the
you've.
Seen
this
before
of
the
1800
customers
in
desert,
hills
about
207,
acre
feet
came
from
groundwater
wells
and
only
563
or
563
acre
feet
had
to
get
transferred
from
cave
creek
to
desert
hills
to
make
up
the
water
demand
out
there.
K
So
this
is
throwing
graphically,
and
it's
just
only
showing
the
debt,
the
cave,
creek,
water
deliveries,
and
when
I
point
this
up
here
is
I
want
to
show
that
teal
piece
of
the
pie
at
the
top.
So
we
have
the
the
cave,
crete,
customers
and,
in
this
slide,
actually
moving
forward,
because
in
the
near
future,
we'll
have
lost
the
carefree
customers.
It's
I'm
accounting
for
228
acre
feet
as
which
is
the
town's
municipal,
industrial,
water
supplies
and
the
the
allocation
as
of
last
year.
K
Looking
at
building
records
of
what
we
use.
So
46
of
that
went
to
feed
to
supplying
cave
creek
customers
424
over.
That
percent
of
that
actually
went
to
supplying
water
to
desert
hills.
To
help
supplement
that
system,
eight
eleven
percent
went
to
the
deliveries
to
the
ranch
media
on
a
golf
course,
and
we
still
had
on
top
of
that.
Nineteen
percent
of
our
c.a.p
municipal
industrial
supplies
were
trying
to
use
that's
important
moving
forward,
because
when
we
start
talking
about
shortages,
this
is
the
the
higher
priority
pool
that
we
have
available.
K
But
in
the
past
the
town
hasn't
had
an
ability
to
do
anything
with
this
water.
So,
if
you're
not
familiar
with
how
the
central
azerem
project
works,
is
that
we
pay
the
capital
cost
on
all
of
the
cap
water
that
the
town
has
a
subcontract
for
and
then
we
pay
per
acre
foot
for
the
water
that
gets
delivered
to
us.
So
as
we
haven't
used
a
portion
of
the
water,
it
actually
goes
by
the
canal.
The
cap
then
allocates
it
to
potentially
other
users,
but
we're
still
paying
the
capital
costs
on
that.
So
moving.
J
K
And
something
we've
been
working
on
is
actually
a
way
to
recharge
that
water
and
actually
generate
storage
credits
for
the
town
which
allows
us
to
again
to
diversify
our
water
portfolio,
and
then
we
can
look
out
in
the
future
of
them
once
that's
recharging
the
ground
and
then
then
pulling
together
a
process
to
withdraw.
But
I
bring
that
up
because
again
we're
not
using
all
of
the
talent
cap
allocation.
So,
as
we
start
talking
about
tiered
reductions,
that's
something
we
have
to
factor
into
right.
K
Now,
you
know,
while
it's
been,
some
of
the
conversation
has
been
pretty
dire,
looking
right
now
about
what,
where
the
levels
are,
because
we're
not
all
fully
allocated,
I
think
the
town
can
weather
this
I'll,
just
I'll
put
that
out
there,
but
we
have
to
be
judicious
about
what
we're
doing
with
our
water
resources.
Look
at
ways
to
conserve
our
water.
K
So
with
the
current
reductions,
I
think
it
was
21
total
592
000
acre
feet
of
water,
most
of
that's
going
to
be
hitting
the
agricultural
pools
so
because
we're
not
using
all
of
us
all
of
our
water.
That
doesn't
mean
that
we're
flush
with
water.
That
means
we
still
have
to
conserve
as
much
as
we
can,
but
looking
for,
but
we
don't
have
a
direct
impact
to
us
right
now.
K
K
Michelle
will
talk
later
about
what
we're
doing
with
the
drought
management
plan.
Part
of
that
is
education.
Doing
outreach
things
like
this
work
session,
we're
trying
to
work
on
the
town's
metering
system
again,
bringing
it
down
to
a
specific
customer
level.
So
customers
can
get
information
more
quickly
from
us
if
they
have
a
leak,
so
they
can
look
at
it
more
information
out
to
customers
and
how
they
can
look
at
conserving
water
in
in
reality,
the
town.
K
Actually,
although
we
have
some
some
high
water
users,
most
of
our
water
users
are
actually
what
I
would
consider
more
conservative,
but
we
do
get
cases
where
people
you
know
we
have
winter
with
winter
visitors
who
come
in
the
summertime.
They
have
someone
watching
their
home,
but
they
don't
know
about
a
water
leak
until
the
next
month.
So
if
we
can
get
better
and
tighter
on
our
billing
information,
we
can
tell
them
about
the
water
leak
in
advance
and
I've
seen
water
leaks
of
of
a
quarter
million
gallons
go
through
a
meter.
K
It's
a
horrendous,
and
it's
not
a
nice
conversation
to
have
with
a
customer,
but
I'd
rather
tell
about
that
customer
as
early
as
I
can
to
stop
that
water
and
it
also
helps
produce
reduce
the
amount
of
water
that
we're
losing
in
the
system.
We
actually
build
them
for
that.
That
was
just,
but
we
have
to
deal
with
it,
but
I'd
rather
not
build
them
for
it.
Sadly,
I
mentioned
about
storage,
recharge
credits.
K
K
So
now
we
have
access
to
the
two
of
the
recharge
facilities
that
actually
showed
up
in
the
slides
earlier,
for
the
ken
showed
so
that
allows
us
now
to
put
it
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
have
a
savings
account
and
all
the
mechanisms
that
are
put
in
place
for
us
to
recharge
water.
So
as
of
this
year,
we'll
have
about
600
acre
feet
in
stored,
long-term
storage
credits
for
the
town
for
the
first
time.
K
So
that's
a
great
addition
to
help
to
help
diversify
our
water
pool,
moving
forward
our
the
town
ourselves,
we're
actually
looking
at
opportunities
to
recharge.
There
is
an
imbalance
with
our
deliveries
to
the
ranch
media
on
a
golf
course
largely
because
we
can
right
now
we
can
only
send
all
of
our
treated
effluent
from
our
wastewater
facility
can
only
go
to
the
golf
course
so
if
they
don't
need
it,
if
actually
overflows
their
system,
which
is
not
efficient,
so
we're
looking
at
that
moving
forward.
K
So
we
can
recapture
some
of
that
water
and
we've
talked
about
recharge,
and
what
does
that
look
like
it's
really
ways
of
getting
water
back
into
the
groundwater
aquifer?
This
slide
shows
a
couple
of
different
mechanisms.
You
can
use
shallow
wells
that
then
drop
the
water
in
and
it
uses
a
sand
interface
get
down.
You
can
use
recharge
basins,
which
is
what
the
picture
that
can
show
to
the
of
the
cap
facilities.
K
You
can
do
in-stream
on
the
on
the
far
right
is
what
the
recharge
wells
that
go
directly
into
the
aquifer
that
you
can
directly
inject
into
the
air
from
withdrawal.
Those
are
ars
wells,
that's
actually
what
city
of
phoenix
has
that
has
allowed
us
access
to.
So
now
we
have
options
for
the
town,
which
is
the
main
thing.
K
And
quickly
I
talked
about
ranch
mana
mentioned
several
times.
Is
this
nope
sorry
the
ranch
minoan
golf
course?
This
is
actually
the
delivery.
If
you've
been
up
there
and
played
it's
a
nice
facility,
the
lakes
of
the
top
end
are
actually
where
we
deliver
water
to
so
we
have
a
pipeline
that
goes
from
our
wastewater
treatment
plant
and
we
have
a
pipeline
that
comes
up
from
our
the
the
backwash
water,
the
the
unused
water
from
the
the
water
treatment
plant
process.
K
So
the
main
issue
that
we
have
with
this
system
is
that
when
we
actually
have
the
most
effluent
waters
actually
in
the
winter,
when
we
have
our
winter
visitors
here,
but
that's
when
they
have
the
least
demand
for
the
system,
so
we've
we
measured
this
system.
Overall,
we
deliver
just
under
500,
acre
feet
to
them.
They
use
about
300
acre
feet
for
their
on-site
irrigation
of
the
200
acre
feet
that
that
is
wasted,
there's
some
of
it.
That
is
evaporation.
K
We
think
some
of
it
is
leaking
through
the
lake
system,
but
a
portion
of
it
about
72
acre
feet
a
year.
Fair
amount
of
water
for
us
is
actually
overflowing
this
system,
so
if
we
can
get
a
handle
on
that
that
it
can
be
a
resource
now
for
the
town
and
that's
an
annual
resource.
So
it's
something
we
want
to
work
towards.
F
Sean
so
the
town
started
a
water
policy
in
2017
or
or
continued
it
perhaps,
but
it
was
a
a
great
first
step
in
sort
of
reducing
the
uncontrolled
development
potential
that
could
take
water
resources
very
quickly
in
the
town
and
over
the
years.
That
was
effective
because
I
had
some
developer
clients
that
were
stopped
by
it,
but
there
were
also
some
some
places
in
the
policy
that
weren't
so
great.
So
the
town
revisited
the
policy
and
updated
it
in
2021.
F
So
the
desert
hills
area,
as
you
heard,
is
not
in
a
good
situation
and
the
town
had
some
hydrogeologists
take
a
look
and
see
if
there
was
a
way
to
sustainably
still
develop
out
there
with
the
water
resources
that
that
area
has,
and
it
clearly
was
not
so
the
policy
was
changed
so
that
there
will
be
no
new
connections
in
the
desert
hills
area
unless
the
town
has
a
contractual
or
statutory
obligation,
and
this
is
and
it's
a
hard
stop.
There
is
the
ability,
if
somebody's
got
a
subdivision
out
there,
that
they
bri.
F
If
they
were
to
bring
new
water
to
the
town
that
that
would
be
provided
to
those
people.
They
could
do
it,
but
it's
a
it's
a
hard
stop
for
the
new
connections
in
that
area
if
they
weren't
already
under
contract.
So
that's
the
big
change
it
made.
In
addition,
we
also
made
some
upgrades
to
the
town
ordinances
that
do
apply
both
inside
and
outside
town
outside
through
the
policy
and
in
inside
the
town,
by
ordinance
that
cleaned
up
some
loopholes.
F
You
want
to
call
them
or
things
that
were
being
used
in
a
way
that
were
not
intended,
the
the
they
were
tweaks,
I
would
say,
for
instance,
manifold
meters.
People
were
gaming,
the
water
resources
a
little
bit
by
putting
meters
in
manifold
arrangements.
So
now
that
you
can't
do
that-
and
you
engineer-
wannabes
will
understand
that.
But
I
I
don't
want
to
have
to
explain
manifolds
tonight.
Thank
you.
F
I
didn't
do
well
in
that
class,
but
it
limits
new
residential
and
non-residential
connections
to
half
an
acre
foot
a
year
which,
for
most
residences
is
plenty,
but
it's
conservative
and,
for
instance,
commercial
users
may
have
a
big
deal
a
great
deal
more
use
than
that,
so
it's
going
to
possibly
require
some
significant
changes
to
their
potential
operations.
It
also,
though,
allows
for
multi-family
development
at
0.3
acre
feet
per
year,
so
that's
still
a
doable
thing
and
would
would
help
if
that
type
of
family
housing
is
needed.
F
There
are
reasons
for
these
changes
and
primarily
to
protect
existing
customers,
because
existing
customers
need
to
make
sure
that
they
have
a
water
supply,
as
we've
been
talking
about,
but
it
does
provide.
The
new
ordinance
also
provides
the
town,
the
ability
to
weigh
larger
water
users
that
come
into
town
and
if
it
won't
hurt
existing
customers
in
their
judgment,
and
it
provides
a
substantial
benefit
to
the
town
such
as
a
new
employer.
F
They
can
change
those
limits
under
the
town
code.
It
also
clarifies
we
did
a
tweet
to
clarify
that
will
serve
letters,
which
is
something
that
a
developer
gets
to
determine
if
the
town's
willing
to
serve
at
the
point
they're
asked
those
are
not
contracts
for
service,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
those
floating
around
and
all
they
all
they
were.
F
It
also
gives
the
town
a
clearer
ability
to
clean
up
old
meters.
There
are
a
lot
of
old
meters
for
a
variety
of
reasons
out
in
the
town
that
are
just
sitting
there
and
they're
not
active
accounts,
so
the
town
has
a
process
now
to
go
and
see.
If
the
the
person
wants
to
make
them
active,
if
they
don't,
they
have
the
ability
under
the
town
code
now
to
take
them
out
after
a
certain
period
of
time,
and
if
those
people
have
their
meters
taken
out,
then
they
don't
necessarily
get
a
new
one.
F
So
those
are
some
some
teeth
that
we
put
into
the
town
water
policy
the
next
slide,
and
I'm
sorry
I
missed
the
this
was
the.
What
I
was
explaining
is
the
drought
management
plan,
and
that
is
something
you'll
be
seeing
on
city
council
agenda.
So
please
watch
and
come
and
provide
input
if
you
would
like
the
town
had
a
drought
management
plan,
of
course,
but
it's
been
more
important
these
days
to
to
look
at
that
again
and
so
we're
looking
really
holistically
at
it.
F
K
F
So
it
starts
with
education
grants
they're
going
to
try
to
look
at
smart
meters.
That
will
help
people
really.
You
know,
get
on
your
app
and
see
how
much
water
you're
using
when
something
happens
so
that
you
can
have
more
control
over
your
own
water
use
spot
leaks
from
sean's
desk.
So
we
are
going
to
work
on
those
types
of
things.
Harness
technology
there's
also
going
to
be.
Potentially
something
might
be
presented
to
the
council.
Still
they
haven't
authorized
any
of
this
yet
by
the
way.
F
But
we're
going
to
present
things
like
potentially
at
those
bigger,
bigger,
more
serious
levels
of
cuts,
surcharges
on
the
higher
water
use
so
that
we're
incentivizing
people
not
to
buy
the
more
expensive,
bigger
water.
The
the
town's
water
rates
are
already
tiered,
which
encourages
conservation,
but.
E
F
B
I
Very
good
information.
My
question
is
about
for
cave
creek
and
our
surrounding
area,
the
use
of
groundwater,
private
wells,
which
the
town
doesn't
manage.
What
information
comes
from
the
arizona
department
of
water
resources
with
respect
to
the
number
of
private
wells?
And
I
know
there
are
some
jurisdictions
that
do
monitor
private
wells-
maybe
not
charging
for
their
use
yet,
but
certainly
looking
at
the
volume.
K
Well,
let's
start
it
yeah,
so
there
are
a
number
of
customers
within
our
cave
creek
residents
that
are
not
on
the
connect
connected
to
the
water
system
or
even
there's
some
that
actually
have
a
well
interconnected
water
system.
We
ask
them
to
have
a
backflow
preventer
to
prevent
cross-contamination,
but
they
actually
fall
under
some
of
the
rules
with
arizona
department,
water
resources,
they're
called
in
and
exempt.
Well,
I
believe
it's
under
35
gallons
a
minute
and
a
certain
volume
per
year
of
usage
in
the
groundwater
management
act.
They
were
authorized
to
have
that.
K
That
was
actually
something
that
was
put
in
place
to
prove
to
allow
property
owners
to
have
a
well.
So
there's,
actually
a
registry
of
it
arizona,
department,
water
resources
says:
keep
that
there's
actually
a
map
you
can
go
to
it's
pretty
precise.
I
think
it
goes
down
to
like
a
10
acre
parcel
level
of
precision
what
they
do
and
provides
good
information.
I
don't
think
they
have
to
do
annual
reporting
on
the
usage,
though,
and
what
we
found
out
when
we
looked
at
it.
K
It
wasn't
so
bad
in
in
cave
creek,
but
when
you
look
at
desert
hills
and
you
look
at
all
the
wells
and
desert
hills
that
are
surrounding
it
and
we
have
three
production
walls
out
there,
they're
they're,
basically
we're
just
fighting
for
the
same
water
out
there.
So
it
is
a
struggle
for
us
and
that's
something
we
want
to
look
for.
Is
we
have
discussions
on?
You
know?
Are
the
town's
existing
wells
viable
moving
forward?
You
know
what
is
water
quality?
K
F
Yeah
state
law
really
does
allow
people
still
to
have
exempt
wells,
but
there
are
some
requirements
for
new
exempt
wells
that
may
prohibit
somebody
from
putting
a
new
one
in
like
if
you're
close
enough
to
a
water
provider's
pipe.
They
may
need
to
somehow
deny
you
service
in
order
to
put
in
a
new
well,
but
it's
it's
a
little
loose,
but
that
is
the
way
that
the
law
is
and
local
jurisdictions
don't
regulate.
Wealth.
I
D
K
Yeah,
so
the
question
we
had
is:
it
happens
to
be
one
area
of
the
system,
and
actually
we
have
several
areas
where
there's
we
actually
have
what
called
auto
flushers
we've
connected
them
to
fire
hydrants.
In
some
cases,
we've
done
other
connections
to
them.
Part
of
the
problem
with
the
cave
creek
system
is
because
it
is
such
a
diverse,
long,
long,
dead,
end
lines.
In
that
case,
the
one
up
on
fleming
springs.
Road
is
actually
a
dead
end
areas.
K
We
actually,
if
we
didn't
flush
the
water
move,
the
water
through
the
pipes,
we'd
have
a
water
quality
issue,
so
we
do
have
to
balance
that
it's
actually
something
we
track.
We
work
with
our
staff
on.
We
actually
do
monitoring
the
system
to
look
at
things
like
chlorine,
residuals
and
and
other
samples
and
we've.
We
have
a
program
to
flush
the
system
to
keep
fresh
water
into
it.
K
So
we
are
looking
at
how
to
optimize
that
we're
looking
at
other
mechanisms
to
do
things
like
more
aggressive
scouring
of
the
pipes
to
remove
any
water
pipe
will
have
a
biofilm.
It
doesn't
sound
good,
but
actually
will
happen
any
water
pipe.
If
we
can
flush
it
out
more
aggressively,
then
it
might
not
degrade
as
quickly
and
we're
looking
at
other
things
to
look
at
that.
K
You've
ever
seen
me
do
one
of
the
quarterly
reports
we
report
on
that
every
quarter
to
the
town
council,
our
flushing
operations,
but
it's
just
the
nature
of
the
system.
Up
in
fleming
springs,
there's
a
limited
number
of
connections
and
we
have
a
lot
of
users
that
actually
are
not
there
and
there's
very
limited
use
in
the
summer
time
when
we
actually
have
the
the
issues
with
water
temperatures
and
things
that
we
have
to
struggle
with.
So
it
is
a
balancing
act
for
the
town
that
we
have
to
balance
both
conservation.
D
And
I
will
give
a
copy
to
you
to
you,
it's
an
article
from
2018
and
it
gives
an
idea
of
how
we
can
ensure
a
steady
supply
of
water
in
arizona.
His
proposal
is
to
put
in
a
six
foot
diameter
pipe
or
two
four
footers
into
the
snake
river.
Just
outside
lewiston
indiana
run
the
pipeline
to
lake
mead,
to
refill
the
lake
24
and
7..
The
distance
to
be
covered
is
just
over
900
miles
and
would
travel
90
percent
government
land.
The
route
would
run
down
western
idaho
into
eastern
nevada.
D
G
Again
as
a
as
somebody
who
works
for
an
organization
that
has
a
big
piece
of
infrastructure
that
moves
water
uphill
over
long
periods
of
time,
long
distances-
okay,
so
I
just
there
are.
There
are
interesting
ideas,
there's
lots
of
ideas
that
have
been
kicked
around
for
a
long
time
infrastructure,
and
I
think
this
would
be
a
common
theme
takes
a
lot
of
time
and
it's
extremely
difficult
for
many
of
the
reasons
that
we're
cited
environmental
issues
and
public
support
and
those
kinds
of
things,
financial
issues.
G
I
think
when
we
started
talking
about
some
of
the
more
near
near
term,
but
still
pretty
far
out
augmentation
options
like
ocean
desal
and
things
that
are
actually
within
the
existing
plumbing
in
many
cases
or
could
be
within
the
extinct
plumbing
of
the
colorado
river
system.
Those
appear
to
be
more
viable,
but
really
I'll.
Just
reemphasize
a
point.
G
It's
a
kind
of
an
all
above
strategy
in
terms
of
looking,
both
in
terms
of
supplementing
the
supplies
and
managing
what
we
have
and
the
question
about
the
kinds
of
things
you
can
do
with
agriculture.
Again,
that's
one
of
the
it's
the
predominant
user
technology
improvements
in
efficiency,
cropping
changes.
K
The
connection
actually
happened
in
1990s
when
they
were
both
private
water
companies.
Both
the
cape,
creek
water
company
was
operated
by
the
george
family
and
then
desert
hills
was
being
run
privately,
so
they
made
it
as
an
emergency
connection,
so
they
both
both
companies,
got
together.
They
actually
went
through
corporation
commission
and
they
extended
pipelines
both
directions
to
24th
street
and
made
the
interconnect
site.
K
So
it's
right
now,
because
there
are
water
customers,
I
would
say
it
is
necessary
because
I
got
to
get
water
to
those
pipes
to
support
those
customers.
We
are
looking
at
ways
to
optimize
the
useful
wells
when
the
oil
production
is
going
down,
we're
looking
at
other
things
that
we
can
do,
but
that's
one
of
the
reasons
that
drove
us
to
the
the
2020
water
resource
policy
was,
you
know
there
in
maricopa
county,
the
desert
hill
system
falls
within
maricopa
county
and
we
can't
control
development
in
maricopa
county.
We
can
control
we
found
out.
K
So
we
at
least
with
the
water
policy,
said
at
least
we'll
stop
we'll
we'll
deal
with
anybody
who
has
contractual
obligations
which
has
greatly
reduced
the
number
of
connections
that
are
occurring
out
there,
but
yeah
from
us
from
a
water
provider.
Standpoint
it's
necessary,
because
I
need
to
make
sure
I
can
provide
water
to
those
customers,
we're
trying
to
optimize
that
and
to
see
what
else
we
can
do.
K
One
of
the
reasons
the
town
we
started
actually
a
number
of
years
ago,
with
the
trying
to
get
the
non-dining
agricultural
water
application
actually
started
in
2013
I
mean
it
was
for
to
support
desert
hills
because
desert
hills
doesn't
have
a
renewable
water
supply.
So
because
we
have
that
subcontract
in
place.
K
We
have
the
connection
of
systems
with
the
rate
study,
we're
actually
looking
at
coming
up
with
a
wheeling
rate,
so
we'll
have
one
rate
for
desert
hills
if,
if
they
use
theirs
or
we're,
treating
and
delivering
their
cap
water,
which
they
paid
for,
we
have
one
rate
if
they
have
to
use
the
town's
municipal
industrial
water
supplies,
they'll
get
another
rate,
so
we're
trying
to
correct
the
course.
But
it's
hard
because
we
have
to
make
sure
we
can
keep
water
going
to
the
customers.
J
Can
I
add
something
to
that:
the
time
the
town
acquired
the
desert
hills,
water
company,
which
was
actually
before
the
town
employer
cape
creek
water
company?
There
was
an
eight
inch
aluminum
line
that
ran
to
the
american
water
company,
which
was
located
in
anthem.
At
the
time
the
town
made
the
decision.
The
idea
was,
it
would
give
us
a
diversification
of
sources
of
water.
You
can
pull
water
from
the
american
water
company.
J
Yes,
I
have
the
notes-
and
I
will
provide
you
with
that,
so
it
was
widely
appreciated
at
the
time
that
it
was
a
good
preemptive
move
from
doing
that.
At
the
time,
however,
the
corporation
commission
decided
american
water
company
would
not
be
authorized
to
do
that
and
they
forced
the
disconnect,
and
that
is
how
we
ended
up
in
this
situation.
K
G
K
We
pull
the
records
for
you
yeah.
We
have
a
few
stations
that
we
have
to
do
that
the
system,
but
again
we're
looking
at
other
opportunities
to
keep
the
water
again.
It's
mainly
the
flushing
is
mainly
to
keep
the
water
compliance,
that's
safe
and
that's
we're
driven
to
to
do
that,
but
we
can
pull
the
records
on
that.
K
Are
you
referring
to
the
the
cd
phoenix
interconnect
site?
No
we're
actually
just
in
the
design
phase,
still
we're
just
yeah
we're
just
getting
to
about
50
design
documents
on
that
and
we're
going
to
start
the
contractor
selection
on
that
so
part
of
it.
So
also
we
need
to
get
the
funding
in
place
without
the
rate
increase.
K
We
actually
can't
get
the
loan
from
the
water
infrastructure
finance
authority
right
now,
because
we
want
to
have
that
service
coverage,
so
there's
a
bunch
of
moving
parts,
and
so
I'm,
anticipating,
probably
about
18
months
before
the
physical
construction
is
done,
which
is
about
the
same
time
frame
a
little
bit
a
few
months
behind
when
city
of
phoenix
has
their
infrastructure
completed.
Currently,
city
of
phoenix
can't
provide
the
water
to
us.