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From YouTube: 17 July 2023 Regular Cave Creek Town Council meeting
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A
Welcome
to
the
regular
Town
council
meeting
town
of
Cave
Creek
Arizona
Monday
July
17
2023,
we'll
save
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance
until
the
public
session
meetings,
Now
call
to
order
and
the
council
will
go
into
executive
session
at
5
PM
with
the
regular
session
to
begin
at
six.
If
we
have
a
motion
to
go
in
the
executive
session,
all
those.
A
A
A
A
Yeah
I
I'm
going
to
read
my
opening
statement.
We
need
we
from
time
to
time.
We
have
a
lot
of
really
weighty
items
tonight,
so
I
wanted
to
make
sure
anybody
who
hadn't
been
before
hears
this
before
we
begin
our
meeting
I'd
like
to
clarify
how
it
is
conducted
and
specifically
the
public
comment
portion
of
the
meeting
public
comment
is
welcomed.
This
is
one
of
the
many
ways
to
inform
your
local
governmental
representatives
and
staff
of
issues
that
are
important
to
you
or
to
suggest
improvements
in
the
way
we
conduct
the
town's
business.
A
Our
goal
is
to
have
a
welcoming
and
friendly
atmosphere
between
our
community
members
and
local
government.
Speakers
reminded
to
address
their
comments
to
the
mayor
and
Council
and
not
to
the
audience.
Arizona
open,
meeting
law
governs
these
activities
and
greatly
restricts
how
meetings
are
conducted
and
how
council
members
May
communicate
outside
the
public
meeting.
There
are
two
opportunities
for
the
public
to
speak.
First
at
call
to
the
public.
Immediately
following
these
remarks,
you
will
have
an
opportunity
to
speak
to
council
staff
and
all
those
participating
and
watching
via
Zoom.
A
A
Speakers
must
come
to
the
podium
and
speak
directly
to
the
council
speaking
to
the
staff
or
to
other
audience.
Members
is
not
permitted.
Police
speak
clearly
into
the
microphone
to
begin
state.
Your
name
and
address
for
the
record,
because
there
is,
there
are
minutes.
Kept,
For,
This
you'll
have
three
minutes
to
speak
on
the
relevant
subject.
You
will
note
a
set
of
three
lights
on
the
podium
green
means
you
are
within
your
three
minutes.
It
turns
yellow,
as
your
time
is
about
to
expire
and
red
when
your
time
is
expired.
A
A
B
A
A
A
E
A
G
I
just
wanted
to
take
the
opportunity
to
thank
and
acknowledge
our
Marshall
Stein
his
efforts
down
on
our
highways,
the
Blue
Gum
bubblegum
bubble,
gum
machine
pulling
over
and
speaking
I
guess
with
Speeders
has
been
noticed
and
appreciated.
It's
a
calmer
world
out
there
for
me
when
I'm
driving
in
town
and
I
appreciate
that
and
thanks
to
anyone
in
this
room
and
elsewhere,
who
has
also
been
making
this
a
priority
to
to
deal
with
some
of
the
well
happy
footed
folks
we
have
going
through
town.
Thank
you.
E
H
Mayor
members
of
council
and
the
public
I've
got
a
couple
of
announcements,
reminder
that
tomorrow,
at
11
A.M
is
the
local
Landmark
ceremony
at
Indian
village
at
11
A.M,
and
we
have
a
project
at
a
royal
road
where
we're
going
to
connect
a
royal
road
as
a
gravel
road
from
Echo
Canyon
to
the
cul-de-sac,
and
there
will
be
a
public
meeting
where
Flyers
have
gone
out
to
the
property
owners
along
there.
But
it
is
a
public
meeting
on
Tuesday
July
25th
at
6
pm
here
in
the
council
chambers.
H
It's
a
little
warm
to
have
that
on
site
along
the
roadway.
These
days,
following
up
on
the
Arroyo
Road
I
have
a
report
on
the
the
transplants
into
the
medians
that
have
occurred.
To
date.
We
had,
let's
see
in
February,
we
had
several
Barrel
Cactus
moved
into
the
town
core
I.
Don't
remember
exactly
how
many
12
Luke.
H
Oh
okay,
the
little
sorry
30.
I
can't
even
read
my
own
writing
and
then
in
June
we
had
12
Saguaro
Spears,
ranging
in
height
from
three
feet
to
seven
feet
that
were
also
moved
into
the
medians
in
the
town
core,
but
out
along
a
royal
road.
We
have
58
more
in
inventory
that
would
be
added
to
the
medians
in
the
town
core,
which
range
from
like
20
hedgehogs
and
some
prickly,
pear,
cacti,
Barrel
cacti.
We've
got
five
Ocotillo
and
several
small
saguaros
and
a
couple
large
saguaros.
H
That
would
be
moved
so
a
total
of
58
additional
to
add
to
that
inventory
in
the
town
court.
So
that
will
be
good
news,
so
that'll
happen
when
we
we
have
those
moved
when
we're
ready
to
start
on
that
project
and
then
last
but
not
least,
I'd
like
to
report
on
the
traffic
enforcement
that
miskey
referred
to.
We
do
have
an
increase
in
traffic
enforcement,
both
by
MCSO
and
the
Marshall's
office.
For
example,
in
February
this
year,
I'm
going
to
give
some
combined
totals
the
MCSO
and
Marshall's
traffic
stops
were
29
in
March.
H
They
were
33
by
April.
It
was
up
to
46
total,
and
in
may
we
had
49.
We
don't
have
the
report
yet
from
MCSO
for
June
and
we're
only
partially
through
July,
but
in
June
and
July.
The
Marshal's
office
has
focused
solely
on
the
town
core
and
in
June
we
had
20
stops
and
so
far
in
July
we
have
15
stops
just
in
the
town
core
and
that's
all
my
report
for
this
evening.
A
A
That
was
a
while
ago.
It's
five
minutes,
we'll
take
item
number
10
out
of
order
because
it's
going
to
be
continued,
so
we
don't
want
people
waiting
around
the
whole
meeting
and
find
out
it's
continued
so
we'll.
Let
them
know
that
it's
not
going
to
be
discussed
tonight.
This
is
a
council
discussion,
approval
of
resolution,
r
2023-10,
a
resolution,
the
mayor
and
Town
Council,
the
town
of
Cave
Creek,
Maricopa,
County,
Arizona,
approving
concurrent
ground
leases
for
Town
property
located
at
4300,
East,
Carefree,
Highway
and
bacon
located
within
the
town
court.
B
E
A
Next
agenda
item
is
was
put
on
the
agenda
by
myself.
It's
Council
discussion
regarding
budget
approval.
We
had
a
very
narrow
budget
vote
on
the
budget
this
year.
It
was
four
to
three
I
had
heard
anecdotally
many
times
that
the
town
cannot
spend
money
without
an
approved
budget,
which
is,
we
have
found
to
be
true.
I
asked
Town
staff
to
investigate
the
consequences
of
not
having
a
budget
to
put
that
anecdotal
evidence
into
something
that
was
hard
and
legal
that
we
really
understood.
A
We
got
a
an
email
from
their
general
counsel,
Nancy
Davidson
I
think
it
was
July
early
this
earlier
this
month
and
I'm
just
going
to
read
that
and
then
we're
going
to
have
comments
on
it
from
Council,
but
there
will
be
no
public
discussion
in
response
to
your
question.
I
looked
in
our
files
and
could
not
find
any
instance
when
a
city
or
town
failed
to
pass
a
budget.
I
also
talked
to
Lee
grastrom,
our
tax
analyst
and
Tom
belshy.
He
is
the
executive
director.
A
They
are
not
aware
of
any
city
or
town
failing
to
pass
a
budget.
I
would
be
surprised
to
find
anything
because
failing
to
pass,
a
budget
would
clearly
violate
state
law
and
create
a
legal
mess
for
the
city
or
town.
Among
other
issues.
A
city
or
town
that
fails
to
pass
a
budget
would
likely
face
a
1487
complaint
and
the
real
possibility
of
losing
its
share
of
shared
revenues
residents
could
presumably
I'm
going
to
make
a
footnote
there.
A
Shared
revenues
are
money
that
the
state
gives
us,
which
is
oh
20
percent
of
our
budget,
or
some
such
is
significant.
I'm
not
gonna,
be
held
to
the
number.
Those
are
shared
revenues
residents
could
presumably
file
a
special
action
to
seek
a
court
order.
Compelling
the
council
to
pass
a
budget
residents
could
also
file
recall
petitions
against
council
members.
As
you
know,
it
could
also
put
the
city
town
at
risk
of
not
being
insured
from
the
municipal
risk
pool
in
the
future.
The
failure
to
pass
a
budget
could
also
impact
any
bond
rating.
A
The
municipal
risk
pool
is
our
insurance.
When
council
members
take
office,
they
sign
a
loyalty
oath,
the
testing
they
agreed
to
Faithfully
follow
the
law
and
discharge
the
duties
of
their
office.
A
budget
is
one
of
the
most
basic
duties
of
their
office,
the
actual
impacts
of
failing
to
discharge,
this
Duty
would
be
devastating.
A
city
town
that
does
not
pass
a
budget
would
be
required
to
shut
down.
A
If
there
is
no
approved
budget,
the
city
can't
spend
money
on
anything,
Municipal
Employees
would
not
get
paid.
Residents
will
be
cut
off
for
municipal
Services,
which
would
obviously
be
devastating.
No
utilities
police,
fire
protection,
developmental
services,
creditors
and
contractors
would
not
get
paid
which
could
expose
the
city
or
town
to
lawsuits
for
money
damages
and
attorney
fees.
A
Fyi.
The
state
legislature
is
not
subject
to
ARS
42-17
106.,
regardless
a
city
government
that
shuts
down
has
much
more
devastating
impacts
because
the
services
they
provide
directly
impact
the
day-to-day
lives
of
their
residents.
My
two
cents,
it's
signed
by
Nancy
L,
Davidson,
general
counsel,
League
of
Arizona
cities
and
towns,
so
I'm
going
to
open
that
to
any
comments
from
Council.
B
Yes,
the
budget
is
a
negotiating
process.
It
takes
place
over
a
period
of
time.
There's
input
from
the
community
there's
extent
of
input
from
Council
Members.
So
it's
not
something
that
happens
out
of
the
blue.
It
is
a
part
of
an
ongoing
process
and
that's
a
great
deal
of
review
before
it
comes
to
the
council
for
approval.
J
There
has
been
some
discussion
and
questions
about
whether
or
not
by
adopting
this,
you
are
levying
a
transaction
privilege
tax,
also
known
as
sales
tax
you're,
not
the
sales
tax
already
exists.
It
is
charged
against
transient,
rentals
and
long-term
rentals.
It
also
is
charged
for
bet
and
there's
also
a
bed
tax.
That
tax
exists.
One
reason
this
legislation
was
authored
primarily
at
the
bass,
is
some
of
the
larger
cities
is
that
they
were
having
difficulty
enforcing
their
DPT
their
sales
tax.
J
By
adopting
this
ordinance
and
more
important
hiring
a
vendor
who
will
be
available,
24,
7
tomorrow,
Monitor
and
paid
for
out
of
fees
paid
by
the
short-term
operators
can
help
enforce
it.
I
know
there's
some
concerns
about
protecting
the
interest
of
local
homeowner
owner
occupied
short-term
rentals.
One
of
the
key
key
components
in
this
in
this
that's
allowed
by
Statute-
and
it
is
in
your
ordinance-
is
the
ability
to
to,
in
effect,
suspend
up
to
a
year
a
license.
J
The
target
here
really
is
the
out
of
town
managers
and
owners
who
go
and
buy
a
number
of
short-term
operator,
short-term
rentals
and
then
hire
management
teams
to
manage
they're,
not
on
scene,
and
so
you
have
a
very
rapid
process
here
that
if,
in
fact
they
don't
respond
to
a
complaint
in
60
minutes,
that's
a
violation.
If
they
do
it
three
times,
they
can
be
suspended
right
once
you
suspend
a
multi-million
dollar
home
from
that
has
been
bought
by
a
by
an
investor
who
wants
to
operate
it
as
a
short-term
rental.
J
J
J
A
J
We
well
you
can
easily
do
that.
Yes,
sir,
you
could
do
you,
could
you
could
say
movement
and
well
it'd,
be
best
it'd,
be
best,
I,
think
to
get
the
text
resolved
and
then
adopt
the
resolution.
Then
you
would
adopt
the
ordinance
passing
the
resolution
and
text
you
just
did
we
can
or
or
you
can
do
it,
but
the
problem
is.
If
we
have
disagreement
that
I,
don't
know,
what'll
happen,
Okay.
A
H
H
The
town
attorney
talked
about
the
town,
Marshall
being
the
one
to
be
contacted.
There
will
be
a
new.
We
have
a
new
leadership
at
MCSO
and
so
he'll
be
meeting
with
him,
and
he
will
be
asking
that
in
the
meantime,
until
this
would
take
effect
that
he
would
be
notified
of
any
complaint
so
that
he
knows
that
there's
an
issue
live
when
it's
happening
that
he
can
respond
if
possible.
H
We
wanted
to
also
present
some
information
about
the
to
clarify
for
the
public.
The
taxing
there
is
a
three
percent
sales
tax,
a
transaction
privilege
license
tax
and
we
also
have
in
place
a
four
percent
Med
tax,
those
taxes
that
the
bed
tax
has
been
in
place
since
at
least
1999
or
before.
This
is
not
new
and
anyone
who
is
renting
currently,
even
even
though
we
we
are
proposing
these
regulations,
if
you're
renting
a
room
or
it's
a
hotel.
These
taxes
are
in
place
and
should
be
paid.
H
H
The
finance
director
pulled
some
numbers
that
we
receive
that
are
coded
by
hotel
tax.
It's
like
a
sales
tax
and
then
the
additional
bed
tax.
So,
for
example,
in
March,
which
are
number
of
businesses
that
reported
February
earnings.
We
had
a
total
of
19
that
paid
the
three
percent
tax
and
of
those
1917
businesses
also
paid
the
four
percent
tax
and
in
February
we're
showing
in
the
town
limits
205
listings.
H
So
that's
what
we
have,
what
our
records
show
that
we
collected
in
the
text
for
that
month,
so
it
just
kind
of
gives
you
an
idea
of,
even
though
those
anyone
who
is
renting
out
a
room
or
have
a
motel
hotel,
they
pay
tax.
So
those
that's
a
differentiate,
different
numbers
of
what
we
see
as
businesses
versus
what
we're
collecting.
H
C
H
Have
a
question
so
with
the
approval
of
this
or
you
think
that
enforcement
of
the
taxes
will
improve
I
mean,
obviously
it
needs
Improvement
having
the
vendor.
That
is
able
to
look
month
to
month
of
you
know
who's
out
there,
and
and
we
would
be
able
to
notify
those
folks
with
a
letter
of
what
the
process
is
and
kind
of
bring
them
into
the
application
process,
and
we
would
have
that
on
file
once
they're
registered
for
the
year.
H
You
know
we're
as
time
goes
on
over
a
few
months
and
and
people
learn
of
the
process
most
people
will
be
in,
but
there's
always
new
new
vendor.
You
know
new
people
who
are
renting
out
rooms
that
we
would
continually
look
and
we'd
have
the
ability
to
do
this
using
this
software
through
a
vendor.
So
I
think
that
is
a
plus
I
mean
right.
H
They
pay
the
tax
directly
to
the
Department
of
Revenue
and
then
the
Department
of
Revenue
remits,
our
portion
to
the
town
of
Cave
Creek,
so
it'll,
just
it's
more
of
a
awareness
issue,
I
think
we'll
be
able
to
reach
people
and
and
help
them
understand
what
the
rules
and
and
regulations
are.
Thank
you,
but.
J
The
remedy
would
be
that
you
would
have
the
vendor
telling
you
and
then,
if
you
have
a
short-term
rental
operator
who
failed
to
pay,
that's
a
violation
for
which
you
get
three
of
those
they're
suspended
and
so
I
think
there
will
be
a
mechanism,
a
greater
formal
mechanism
to
enforce
that's.
What
Scottsdale
has
found.
J
J
With
the
with
the
shirt
with
the
person
you
stand
at
the
curb
to
do
it
to
do
a
check,
so
what
we've
said
is
to
to
to
acknowledge
the
duty
to
look
into
it.
We
said
you
can
get
have
a
safe
heart.
You
can,
in
effect
demonstrate
you
didn't
knowingly
violate
by
checking
the
national
register.
That's
in
your
ordinance,
other
ordinances
actually
require
checking
and
technically
the
way
you
read.
It
requires
checking
all
the
way
to
the
door
and
there's
no
way
that
you
can
put
that
burden
on
the
short-term
operator.
J
A
A
J
Put
up
new
statutes
to
to
move
Sober
Living
homes,
and
they
came
here
initially
and
you
then
adopt
an
ordinance
to
regulate
Sober
Living
homes.
If
you
were
you
to
become
more
lenient
by
lenient,
I
mean
more
permissive
and
I
must
admit.
When
I
first
gave
you
my
ordinance,
I
I
used
a
very,
very
aggressive
that
some
of
your
constituents
didn't
like
I
took
that
from
some
one
of
the
jurisdictions.
J
That
was
very
much
wanted,
one
to
give
you
the
absolute
control,
for
example,
requiring
pesticides
every
every
two
weeks.
There's
no
way
you
could
do
that.
So
we
took
that
all
out
right
now.
You
have
a
reasonable
approach
it.
It
is
an
approach
that
really
does
we've
learned
I've
learned
from
talking
to
the
other
City
attorneys
in
other
jurisdictions.
This
is
a
reasonable
approach.
It
doesn't
go
too
far.
For
example,
you
don't
require
a
statute
technically
requires
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
of
insurance.
Well
guess
what?
J
If,
if
they're
on,
VRBO
or
all
they're
going
to
require,
and
if
you're
a
short-term
owner
here,
you're
gonna
have
homeowners
insurance,
so
we
didn't
put
the
500
Grand
in
here
so
but
I
believe.
If
you
were
to
become
more
lenient
than
those
around
you,
you
would
be
more
likely
to
attract
short-term
operators.
Short-Term
rental
operators.
A
J
Let's
figure
out
if
we
trip
over
the
the
the
the
they
violate
there
is
a
state
code
for
disorderly
conduct
that
your
your
request,
mayor,
we've
included.
That
says
this
orderly
conduct
would
be
a
violation
and
a
violation
and
I'm
a
reasonable
other
violations
that
are
in
your
code:
excessive
noise
or
traffic
obstruction
of
public
streets,
public
drunkenness,
the
surface
of
alcohol
to
minors,
fights
disturbances
of
the
peace.
All
those
will
be
violations.
So
now
we
have
a
violation.
J
J
At
the
door,
in
the
back
that
says,
here's
who
you
call,
if
you
have
a
problem,
they
will
call
your
vendor
your
vendor
is
the
person
the
companies
that
Teresa's
evaluated.
They
do
this
all
over
from
many
cities
and
towns.
They
then
would
listen
validate
the
complaint,
they
would
call
the
Marshall
and
the
Marshall
they
want
to
appear
and
if,
indeed,
if
they
go,
if
there's
an
accident,
if
something
happens
at
an
owner
occupied
short-term
rental,
the
owner's
probably
there
there
won't
be
a
violation,
Marshall
talks
to
them,
and
they
correct
it.
J
J
J
J
What
you
need
to
do,
particularly
if
your
goal
is
policing
up
the
out
of
state
short-term
operators,
is
to
get
the
three
violations
in
one
year
and
suspend
them
which
this
does
and
it
allows
you
to
do
it
through
an
appeal
process
that
doesn't
run
through
the
rigors
of
the
Magistrate
Court.
You
can
use
a
hearing
officer
so
that
it.
J
It
isn't
that
my
view
if
I'm
a
local
owner
I'm
there
living
I,
probably
will
be
there
when,
when
the
when
the
phone
call
occurs.
So
when
the
Marshal
drives
up,
there
won't
be
a
60,
there
won't
be
the
violation
for
60
minutes,
but,
most
importantly,
the
Marshal
will
use
the
skills
to
talk
to
the
to
the
property
owner
and
say:
we've
got
to
work
this
out.
L
It
would
be
shamefully
disingenuous
to
allow
those
in
need
of
relief
from
party
house
servances
to
believe
this
proposal
will
prove
a
timely
solution
for
them.
It
flat
out
will
not
and
cannot.
This
requires
three
verified
violations
in
a
12-month
period
that
triggers
a
license
action
sluggish
at
best
for
those
citizens.
L
L
L
This
is
all
to
apply
pressure
and
knock
out
two
or
three
nuisance
party
houses.
This
is
not
smart
business
or
public
policy
approach.
Again,
it's
the
wrong
tool
for
the
job.
It
punishes
the
good
guys
if
implemented,
Cave
Creek
will
lose
many
strs.
They
will
convert
to
long-term
rentals
or
go
underground.
Put
yourselves
in
their
shoes.
L
L
Is
this
not
what
a
socialist
due
to
destroy
the
private
segment?
Is
that
what
you
expect
from
this
before
at
full
participation,
The
Proposal
license
fees
would
be
less
than
ten
thousand
dollars
income.
This
Str
proposition
will
require
many
times
that
to
administer
making
it
a
revenue
negative
big
time.
L
The
data
is
not
out
there
easily
available
I
found
approximately
200
total
rentals
and
less
than
40
short-term
rentals
on
both
of
the
platforms
and
many
of
them
are
listed
as
Cave
Creek,
but
they're,
not
in
Cave
Creek
and
that's
the
best
I
could
find,
though
they're
the
clarification
that
we
appreciated.
Thank
you.
B
A
M
Thanks
for
your
time,
my
name
is
Chris
swainheart
5701,
East,
Rancho
Manana.
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
thank
the
Town
Council
for
the
time
you
spend
on
this
project.
I
was
here
a
couple
of
months
ago
and
expressing
my
discomfort
as
well
as
that
of
our
neighbors,
with
these
type
of
violations
that
we're
really
talking
about
here
today
and
it's
an
unusual
situation
and
I
looked
back
on
that
and
I
appreciated
the
platform
that
you
gave
me
and
things
haven't
really
changed.
M
It's
pretty
much
the
same
this
last
week,
one
of
my
neighbors
told
me
that
a
party
group
was
walking
down
the
street
of
10
people
smoking
dope
as
they
were,
enjoying
our
neighborhood
and,
of
course,
there's
been
the
usual
noise
and
rowdiness
and
so
forth.
Now
growing
up
and
and
maybe
you
would
be
the
same
experience
if
you
were
living,
take
it
back
when
you
were
young.
If
there
was
such
a
short-term
rental
right
next
door
to
you,
you
would
have
been
surprised,
shocked.
N
B
B
M
M
You
know
our
lives
are
more
than
just
money.
In
my
opinion,
this
needs
to
not
only
be
regulated,
but
I
think
we
should
do
something
more
like
in
Dallas
initiative,
which
was
just
announced
last
month
where
they
announced
that
they
wanted
to
make
short-term
rentals
completely
illegal
in
single-family
residential
neighborhoods.
Now
to
me
that
would
be
a
satisfactory
and
it
much
easier
way
to
administer
and
change
this
problem.
So
I
I,
don't
know.
M
If
that's
a
possibility,
you
are
spent
a
lot
more
time
on
it
than
than
I
can
and
but
I
just
think.
Do
we
really
want
to
change
our
communities
so
that
they
become
more
of
a
mecca
for
short-term
rentals
for
people
that
are
partying?
You
know
you
would
say:
do
we
want
to
be
like
Sedona
or
do
we
want
to
be
like
Old,
Town
Scottsdale,
where
the
majority
of
places
and
to
live
are
now
short-term,
rentals
I,
don't
think
so.
I
think
that
will
hollow
out
our
community
and
that's
something.
M
That's
not
really
desirable
for
Cave
Creek,
so
I
urge
you
to
do
your
best
I'm,
supporting
this
in
a
little
manner
that
I
can
I
think
you're
you're
trying
to
do
something
but
I
I,
I
I
think
that
people
that
oppose
this
need
to
realize
that
our
communities
need
to
be
more
than
profit,
centers
and
ways
to
make
money
for
investors.
It
really
needs
to
be
a
community
of
people
and
and
that's
what
really
makes
a
city
worth
living
in.
M
F
G
Evening
creakers
are
clear:
we
want
party
houses
dealt
with
on
the
spot.
We
want
24-hour
contact
information,
that's
something
everybody
agrees
on,
but
these
items
can
easily
be
handled
within
the
existing
code.
It's
not
that
anyone
opposes
an
ordinance,
it's
the
approach,
let's
make
it
workable.
Instead
we're
talking
about
fees
and
cumbersome
applications
and
a
new
bureaucracy,
an
expensive
vendor.
We
have
to
focus
on
the
people
responsible
for
the
disturbances.
G
Other
people
are
worrying
that
somewhere,
somehow
someone's
not
paying
their
fair
share
of
taxes.
Well,
these
are
different
things.
It's
a
muddled,
Mission
and
it
shows
this
text
and
this
proposal
remains
a
muddled
mess,
a
conflicting,
unworkable
language.
The
latest
definitions
are
vague.
We
still
are
not
clear
on
what
an
Str
is
and
what
an
Str
is.
Not
that's.
Basic
new
terms
have
appeared
with
no
definitions
at
all.
New
definitions
have
appeared
for
terms
that
are
not
in
the
text.
G
G
G
In
the
rush
to
do
something,
two
important
laws
have
been
ignored:
ARS
9-500-39,
B1,
paraphrasing
I
mean
looking
do
I.
A
municipality
must
demonstrate
a
need
for
this
type
of
Regulation,
not
just
a
want.
There
has
been
no
clear
demonstration
of
Need
for
Cave
Creek
The,
Cave,
Creek,
ordinance,
zero
30.59,
an
ordinance
title
must
contain
one
subject
and
one
subject
only
this
subject
on
this
proposal:
it's
a
rental
ordinance,
it's
a
health
and
safety
ordinance.
Sadly,
what
it
is
not
is
a
sensible,
workable
ordinance.
G
Interestingly,
studies
show
that
when
these
type
of
Parts
SDR
regulations
come
in,
more
than
50
percent
of
overnight
lodging
is
lost
overnight.
Property
Owners
will
find
other
uses
for
their
properties
is
disappearing.
Inventory.
The
intent
of
our
own
regulation
note
that
the
lost
properties
at
K
Creek
will
be
the
affordable
room
down
the
hall
and
the
one
and
two
bedroom
offerings.
This
means
that
fewer
visitors
will
stay
over
and
spend
money
in
Cave
Creek.
G
G
G
I
think
it's
time
to
Cowboy
Up.
Do
the
right
thing
set
this
particular
language
aside,
even
if
it
hurts
insist
on
a
functional,
workable
approach,
we
do
not
need
to
create
a
bureaucracy
and
pay
an
expensive
vendor
to
manage.
This
issue
strengthen
the
nuisance
ordinance
that
will
solve
a
lot
of
what
grees
residents
taxes
are
being
paid
by
Honest
operators
find
out
where
those
monies
are
going
and
Claw
that
back.
G
L
L
Just
look
at
the
history
of
certain
citizens-
and
you
know
this
is
going
to
happen
per
ARS
statute.
Str
should
be
the
can
be
defined
as
30
days
or
less
I.
Don't
see
that
defined
here
at
all
the
laws
for
eviction
change
at
30-day
tenancy
and
many
times,
people
will
lease
for
longer
than
30-day
time
frame.
A
K
Mary
I'll
do
it
motion
motion
to
approve
them.
Excuse
me
amended
and
release
dated
resolution
r2023-02
resolution
of
the
mayor
and
Town
Council
of
town
of
Cave
Creek
Maricopa
County
Arizona
clearing
is
a
public
record,
a
certain
document
filed
with
a
town
clerk
and
entitled
short-term
rental,
public
health
and
safety
protections.
K
K
B
I
I
will
comment
I,
I,
think
what
we
have
here
is
a
reasonable
approach
to
this.
We
do
want
the
business
we
do
want
to
make
available
the
opportunity
for
good
good
behaving
people
to
come
in.
We
want
to
protect
the
people
who
have
the
mom
and
pop
short-term
rentals.
Those
have
not
been
a
problem.
We
do
not
want
to
penalize
them.
So
I
think
the
approach
that
we're
taking
is
a
reasonable
compromise.
A
A
B
K
I
guess
one
of
the
one
of
the
main
main
things
here
is
is
the
fact
that
that
we
are
sitting
here
without
protections
that
the
state
has
a
has
afforded
us.
Finally,
after
after
many
years
of
abuses
by
short-term
rentals,
you
know
one
of
the
one
of
the
comments
I
heard
was
was
looking
at
the
the
enforcement
of
the
nuisance,
things
on
Kelly
son
nuisance,
ordinance,
enforced
on
transient
visitors,
ineffective
because
the
nature
of
the
term
transient
once
they're
gone,
they're
gone
by.
K
A
Second,
is
this
is
not
a
business
area
or
industrial
area
where
you
expect
noise
expect
something
to
be
going,
and
these
are
residential
neighborhoods,
where
people
are
raising
kids
they're
trying
to
sleep
at
night,
and
it's
not
like
your
neighbor
has
a
party
once
a
year.
This
is
could
be
every
weekend.
A
Second,
third
point
is
consistency.
If
we
aren't
consistent,
we
will
need
the
Mecca
and
all
the
houses
and
the
problem
will
get
far
worse.
So
for
something
some
extent,
this
is
preventing
problems,
even
though
we
have
problems
in
town
right
now,
we
did
not
have
some
of
the
people
that
have
been
contacting
me.
I
have
been
they
losed
with
YouTube
videos
of
noise
and
people
walking
around
showing
the
problems
that
at
some
party
houses
in
town
here
so
I
I'm
in
favor
of
this
Vice
marriage.
Anything
else
sweetie.
H
I
think
that
it's
also
important
to
protect
our
community
I
agree
that
it's
not
an
overwhelming
prevalence
in
Cave
Creek
that
this
is
happening.
I
think
that
we're
we're
taking
the
necessary
steps,
even
though
they
might
be
presumed
to
be
to
penalize
the
small
business
owner
who
has
a
casita
that
he
or
she
is
renting
once
a
month
and
I
hope
that
that
will
not
be
the
case
because,
first
and
foremost,
we
are
here
on
behalf
of
those
people.
H
We
are
not
elected
by
a
handful
of
out-of-state
owners
of
large
homes
that
are
being
rented
for
profit.
We
are
here
to
represent
our
small
town
community
and
therefore
I'm
concerned
that
we
will
have
this
reputation
having
a
heavy
hand
over
everybody
who
might
run
out
their
Casita
now
and
then
so.
I'm
I'm,
hoping
for
the
best
that
this
will
be
a
compromise
between
the
two.
A
A
and
this
is
the
the
noise
and
nuisance
ordinance
in
the
town
because
it
follows
on
with
these
with
these
last
two
agenda
items.
So
this
is
the
council
discussion
approval
of
first
reading
of
ordinance,
oh
2023-05,
an
ordinance
of
the
mayor
and
Council
of
the
town
of
Cave
Creek
Maricopa
County
Arizona
amending
chapter
130
of
Title
11
Roman
numeral
11,
entitled
noise
of
the
town
of
Cave
Creek
Town
code
presented
by
the
town
attorney.
J
J
Request
when
we
briefed
you
on
the
short-term
rental,
you
had
a
concern,
as
did
some
tonight,
about
making
sure
that
the
nuisance
ordinance
could
also
be
enforced,
and
so
we've
added
a
reference
in
the
nuisance
organs
to
the
state
statute,
dealing
with
a
disorderly
conduct
and
that's
the
reference
of
13
2904.
That's.
J
Suggestion
you
made
and
that
that
I
added
by
adding
it
as
the
Marshal
will
tell
you
the
Sheriff's
Office
won't
enforce
your
code.
They
will
enforce
State
Statute.
So
this.
By
abetting
this,
we
have
the
marshals,
sorry,
the
the
Sheriff's
Office
obligated
to
enforce
disorderly
conduct.
That's
the
only
change
we've
made
to
the
nuisance,
the
the
as
as
council.
E
J
A
D
A
A
E
A
Yeah
this
this
is
heavily
towards
noise,
and
the
the
state
statutes
I
have
in
front
of
me
here
is
disorderly
conduct,
which
is
based
at
an
individual,
not
in
a
short-term
rental.
These
are
the
guests
who
would
be
in
violation
of
this,
and
it
says
that
a
person
commits
disorderly
conduct
if,
with
intent
to
disturb
the
peace
or
quiet
of
a
neighborhood,
family
or
person,
or
with
a
knowledge
of
doing
so
such
person,
and
it
gives
an
example
of
the
violations,
for
example,
uses
abusive
or
offensive
language
makes
unreasonable
noise.
A
O
J
Some
language,
what
you're
suggesting
is
take
some
rather
than
just
have
the
the
the
reference
to
sole
reference
to
this
to
the
state
statute
is
include
some
of
the
language
from
132904
in
in
yours.
In
your
statute,
it
would
be
a
couple
of
Roads,
it
would
be
another
here's.
This
is
the
decibel
level.
The
next
page
gives
examples
we
could
say
these
are
the
kinds
of
things
that
could
violate
the
perfect.
A
K
E
K
K
No
I
don't
know
because
I've
been
here
and
done
that
13
meetings
with
the
same
thing
over
and
over
and
over
again
listening
to
the
same
30
people
for
three
minutes,
a
piece
talking
about
the
same
thing,
but
the
number
the
numbers
are
are
not
attainable.
So
what
do
we
do?
We
understand
I
mean
I'm.
Just
wondering
I
mean
I
think
this
is
a
sleeping
dog
I,
just
as
soon
leave
lie.
A
L
A
surprise,
surprise,
I'm
very
much
in
favor
of
this
I
see
this
as
your
best
timely
tool
be
effective
for
the
short-term
rental
nuisance
properties
and,
however,
it's
structured,
it
just
has
to
include
all
rentals,
so
you're
treating
them
all
the
same.
Then
it
can't
be
excluded
that
way,
so
I
know
adjustable
stuff
is
very
difficult,
and
that
has
to
be
done
right.
L
Maybe
we
first
have
to
find
out
what
a
nuisance
decibel
rating
is
in
a
neighborhood
that
annoys
the
neighbors
and
see
if
we
can
structure
it
that
way,
but
if
we
have
to
have
some
teeth
and
don't
shy
away,
I
know
you're
thinking
that
the
the
guests,
the
violators,
it's
a
waste
of
time
to
try
to
you,
know,
give
them
a
citation
or
something
listen,
I
think
you're
missing
the
boat
on
that.
You
know
these
guys
report
back
to
those
platforms,
yay
or
nay.
They
had
a
good
time
at
that
realm.
L
I
call
this
taking
the
poison
back
to
the
nest.
You
give
them
a
citation
for
the
violation.
That's
annoying
these
people,
they're
going
to
report
it
on
the
platform.
People
who
rent
these
things
read
other
people's
reviews
for
the
platform
voila
and
it
didn't
cost
you
any
money
at
all.
It
automatically
afford
on
themselves.
L
So
don't
don't
miss
that
don't
I
mean
I
I,
don't
know
if
you
can
create
mechanics
of
making
sure
that
the
owner
gets
of
some
sort
of
citation
as
well,
because
I
think
that's
Paramount.
You
just
have
to
it
shouldn't
be
that
hard
to
find
a
way
to
knock
out
these
guys
that
are
making
a
bad
name
for
the
rest
of
them
that
there
are
such
a
small
minority,
and
you
already
heard
my
opinion
on
what
you
approved
I
think
this
thing's
got
a
way
better
way.
L
You
know,
given
these
poor
folks
who
really
need
some
relief,
a
change.
You
know
it'll
quiet
it
down.
The
word
will
get
out
and
I
think
that'll
work
before
the
12th
or
the
three
violations
in
12
months
are
going
to
do
you
any
good,
so
I'm
all
for
it.
Let's,
let's
see
some
some
good
stuffs
I've
got
some
teeth.
F
G
Hello
again,
Laura
G,
so
I
sent
my
comments
earlier,
but
just
for
the
record,
and
so
those
in
the
room
can
can
hear
so
this
nuisance
ordinance
proposal.
In
order
to
make
this
applicable
to
short-term
rentals
and
really
all
Residential
Properties,
the
language
has
to
be
made
to
include
all
Residential,
Properties
and
Authority
has
to
be
given
to
the
responding
officer
to
act
on
a
preponderance
of
evidence.
G
There
are
several
factors
that
go
in,
so
an
officer
can
talk
to
several
neighbors.
An
officer
can
look
at
any
videos
that
might
exist.
An
officer
can
use
his
own
judgment
standing
at
the
property
line,
and
that
officer
needs
to
be
given
the
authority
to
issue
citations
on
the
spot
to
shut
down
party
houses.
Otherwise
the
recalcinating
dress
is
going
to
say
what
are
you
going
to
do
about
it
so
section
c,
13130.07.
G
It's
all
very
nice
to
go
out
with
a
sound
meter
and
measure
things,
but
that
doesn't
do
us
any
good
after
the
fact
when
the
party's
over
so
that
officer
has
to
use
their
own
judgment.
That
needs
to
be
in
the
code
somehow
in
section
c,
section:
D2
yeah.
This
is
pointed
at
more
motor
vehicle
sources
and
needs
to
also
include
residential
sources.
G
G
So
I
think
this
ordinance
we're
going
in
the
right
direction,
and
this
will
give
us
some
good
and
I
have
to
say
that
over
the
last
several
months,
I'm
really
disappointed
that
the
talent
didn't
seem
to
care
enough
to
sit
down
and
go
through
these
ordinances
line
by
line
it
is
filled
with
problems
and
unexpected
consequences
and
I
could
send
you
email
after
email,
but
no
one
wants
to
read
it,
and
no
one
wants
to
talk
about
these
items.
It's
not
a
perception
that
we're
unduly
punishing
the
small
operator
we
are,
they
will
read
it.
G
H
L
A
H
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
As
an
example,
we
did
that
with
Perlman
with
the
Architects,
and
then
we
did
it
again
with
the
contractors.
We
had
six
firms
that
initially
responded
to
our
request
for
proposals
of
those
six
firms
that
was
narrowed
down
to
three
finalists.
The
three
finalists
actually
came
here
to
the
council
chambers
and
made
in-person
presentations
to
a
committee
that
was
constructed
to
meet
the
state
guidelines.
You
have
to
have
a
a
high
level
person
from
a
contracting
company-
that's
not
bidding
on
your
your
town.
A
You
have
to
have
an
architect
or
an
engineer
which
we
had
and
then
you
have
to
have
others
represented
in
the
town,
which
was
myself
as
the
project
manager
and
and
also
Chief
Alan
from
Daisy
Mountain,
who
assisted
us
with
that.
He
does
that.
So
we
interviewed
and
it
was
actually
a
very
difficult
decision.
We
had
three
very
good
companies.
A
A
That's
all
part
of
those
initial
designs
and
the
next
steps
for
us
is
to
enter
into
this
contract,
get
a
better
breakdown
of
the
costs
and
timeline,
we're
looking
at
about
a
10
to
12,
month,
project
and
so
included
in
that
is
site
work
which
includes
the
design.
The
streetscape
is
the
remodel
of
the
living
quarters
and
then
the
addition
of
The
Bays.
So
it's
kind
of
a
same
thing
with
that.
H
H
H
Motion
to
approve
resolution
r
2023-17,
a
resolution
of
the
mayor
and
Town
Council
in
the
town
of
Cave
Creek
Maricopa
County
Arizona,
authorizing
the
mayor
to
execute,
on
behalf
of
the
Town,
a
pre-construction
Professional
Services,
slash
cmar
contract
with
FCI
Constructors
Inc
regarding
the
redesign
Remodel
and
renovation
of
the
town
of
Cave
Creek
fire
station
number.
One
second.
A
K
E
A
O
O
O
She
also
participated
in
the
local
area,
safety
studies
with
mag
I'm,
presenting
just
a
recap
of
the
Kimberly
horn
studies,
but
may,
but
young
was
involved
with
those
studies
and
so
we're
going
to
go
through
just
an
update
on
them
on
what
what
the
mag
studies
were
and
how
they're
going
to
and
just
a
brief
history
and
where
we
are
today
with
them.
The
town
was
awarded
the
Maricopa
Association
government's
local
safety
studies
in
late
2019.
O
The
state
studies
were
initiated
and
we
were
just
about
ready
to
do
traffic
studies
in
March
of
2020..
But
then
this
town
went
dark,
no
traffic,
no
pedestrians,
no,
nothing
when
covet
hit.
So
the
project
was
delayed.
We
were
given
the
option
of
delaying
it
a
year
which
we
did
and
it
was
completed
in
April,
2021
and
presented
to
council
May,
3rd
2021
and-
and
that
was
the
phase
one
study
which
had
sort
of
a
smorgasbord
of
different
aspects.
O
As
the
study
was
being
concluded,
we
realized
that
the
study
itself
needed
to
be
fleshed
out
so
that
we
could
get
identifiable
projects
that
we
could
Implement
and
also
the
gravity
of
those
projects.
What
order
would
be
best
to
spend
our
money
on
and
which
one
had
more
bang
for
the
bucks.
So
the
phase
two
report
was
completed
in
June
2021
and
that
one
identified
several
projects
that
we
had
and
I
guess,
I
I
can
make
this
work.
O
So
the
summary
of
The
Pedestrian
local
area
safety
study
recommendations
were
that
we
looked
at
the
partnership
with
the
Maricopa
Association
governments
and
completed
a
pedestrian
bicycle
safety
study
phase,
one
along
Cave,
Creek
Road
between
Surrey
and
Galloway
and,
as
I
said,
the
phase.
One
study
developed
the
recommendations
for
physical
improvements
that
could
enhance
safety,
improve
driver
compliance
to
speed
limits
and
advisory
infrastructure,
Crossing
science,
bike,
Lanes
Etc
and
improved
The
Pedestrian
visibility
at
crosswalks
and
the
ultimate
goal
of
reducing
the
risk
of
crashes
involving
bicyclists
and
pedestrians.
O
O
So
if
you
look
at
your
screens,
you'll
see
that
the
high
priority
were
rrfbs
which
stand
for
rectangular
flashing
beacons
and
a
speed
table
at
the
roadhouse
speed
table
and
the
rrfb
at
Hilltop,
which
is
basically
Kiwanis
and
Dairy
Queen
area
and
then
the
third.
The
other
one
was
the
speed
table
at
Hidden
Valley
and
then,
which
is
about
at
the
entry
to
town.
O
O
This
is
what
was
perceived
as
the
return
based
on
the
number
of
traffic
accidents,
the
number
of
pedestrian
accents
and
what
the
true
cost
would
be,
and
so
the
higher
the
number,
the
more
return
for
or
may
more
bang
for
the
buck.
You
have
for
your
project
and
it's
also
how
mag
rates
the
projects
when
you're
submitting
for
Grants
and
applications.
O
O
O
O
These
are,
is
these
are
raised
platforms
that
are
about
four
inches
higher
than
the
roads,
so
they're
not
really
speed
bumps,
but
they
are
what
we
call
table
crosswalks
so
that
they
are
there's
a
ramp
up
and
a
ramp
down,
and
they
by
that
nature
they
they
slow.
The
speed,
I,
think
former
council
member
deependorfer
referred
to
them
as
the
silent
policeman,
because
it's
it's,
you
can
do
30
35
over
them,
but
you
start
doing
45
and
they
become
uncomfortable.
Do.
O
D
A
O
O
O
But
that's
a
you
know:
that's
what
we're
trying
to
do
with
enforcement,
but
it
we
tried
the
Gateway
treatments,
but
again
the
this
is
what
was
recommended
by
mag
as
being
the
the
best
bang
for
the
buck,
and
that
would
in
do
it.
Try
it
and
the
nice
thing
about
the
speed
tables
is,
if
you
don't
like
it,
they're
asphalt,
they
can
be
removed
just
as
easily
as
they
were
put
in.
D
A
30
miles
an
hour
in
Encinitas
and
Leucadia
and
I
watched
The
Well
California's
got
the
same
rule
that
Arizona
does
now
and
you
can
have
motorcycle
zipping
between
lanes
of
traffic
and
I
watched
an
Indian
Motorcycle
come
flinging.
I
was
in
the
right
lane,
I'm
playing
right
by
me
and
that
sucker
was
probably
doing
55
60
miles
an
hour.
He
went
airborne.
H
K
H
O
I
would
say:
there's
a
speed,
hump,
even
a
speed
cushion.
Definitely
a
speed
bump
would
be
more
impactful
on
horse
trailers
with
the
the
nice
thing
about.
The
speed
table
is
they're
wider,
their
10
to
12
feet,
and
they
would
they
would
span
most,
in
other
words,
that
you
you're
not
going
to
get
high
centered
with
a
wheel
will
come
up
and
a
wheel
will
go
down.
So
they're
they're
a
little
easier
on
that,
especially
if
you're
following
the
speed
limit,
but
because
of
the
spacing
of
the
the
width
of
the
top.
D
D
We
have
the
two
lanes
and
the
two
lanes
and
in
front
of
the
red
truck
that
former
median
is
asphalt
and
if
you
have
the
two
bike
Lanes
it's
pretty
much
comparable
to
six
Lanes
of
asphalt
and
we
don't
really
have
a
function
in
the
town
with
staff.
We've
never
really
had
it
and
it's
been
picked
at
by
volunteers
over
the
years.
Probably
it's
a
not
great
advantage
of
historic
character
of
the
community.
D
I
mean
I
kind
of
wonder.
Whatever
happened
to
our
two-lane
road
through
downtown
Cave,
Creek
and
I
know
change
is
inevitable.
I
understand
that,
but
I
wish
we
could
take
the
genius
of
Engineers
who
understand
the
science
of
using
National
experience
to
design
things
that
truly
increase
pedestrian
safety
and
have
a
measurable
impact
on
people
who
are
motorists,
whether
they're,
impaired
or
not,
but
somehow
counterbalance
it
with
what
little
we
have
left
in
this
town.
D
That's
not
being
urbanized
I
mean
it's
great
to
have
mag
involved,
but
mag
when
you
come
up
from
the
valley
is
dealing
with
freeways.
12,
Lanes,
wide
and
green
crosswalks
I
know
California
does
those,
but
why
would
we
paint
Asphalt,
Green
I
guess
to
draw
more
attention
to
the
bike?
Lanes
and
originally
the
bike
lanes
were
not
supposed
to
be.
Fighting
for
traffic
space
were
used
for
parking
of
the
town
like
they
currently
are.
D
They
were
supposed
to
have
been
like
a
Bridle
Path
like
on
Central
Avenue,
and
you
know
the
town
core
with
all
without
getting
into
a
lengthy
discussion.
It's
had
so
many
iterations
over
the
years
that
you
can
walk
through
the
downtown
Corridor
and
see
it.
We
went
through
a
modernization
of
concrete
structures
and
we
went
to
some
tree
planting
and
so
forth.
D
That
I
wish
and
all
I'm
asking
I
guess
is
that
if
you
could
put
something
in
your
mind
and
see
it
that
rattles
around
as
something
else
that
might
work
with
some
version
of
this
and
then
I
want
to
change
my
lobbying
idea.
If
that
doesn't
work,
why
just
rhetorically?
Would
we
not
look
at
all
the
available
space
and
what
is
the
best
design
for
the
purpose
of
the
commercial
Corridor,
obviously
and
resin
egress
through
the
town
out
to
the
Lakes
up
to
carefree
and
so
forth?
D
But
why
would
we
not
revisit?
Maybe
the
fact
that
we
used
to
have
two
lanes
of
traffic,
and
now
we
have
four
and
we
have
hardly
any
medians
left
and
could
we
do
a
version
where
we
go
back
to
two
lanes
of
traffic
and
use
two
lanes
or
one
lane
in
some
alternative
way
and
a
Dusty
has
mentioned
diagonal
parking
if
the?
If
the,
if
the
goal
is
to
slow
traffic,
then
maybe
the
thing
is
not
give
people
four
lanes
to
race
each
other.
Every
time
they
go
through
a
stop
sign
and
so
forth.
D
Is
there
some
way
that
you
can
take
the
science
of
engineering
and
convert
it
to
a
small
community
version
of
traffic
planning
and
pedestrian
safety?
That
doesn't
look
like
this
I
mean
this
is
just
an
imprint
of
everything
we
see
in
the
valley
and
we're
just
we're
moving
towards
things
like
roundabouts
and
fences
down
the
middle
of
the
street,
and
this
that
and
the
other.
So
could
we
ever
get
back
to
trees
up
and
down
both
public
right-of-ways
in
the
community
for
shade,
certainly
better
identified
crosswalks?
D
Sometimes
they
had
to
raise
services
like
downtown
where
people
would
rumble
strips
or
whatever,
but
can
we
get
back
to
a
sense
of
slowing
traffic
by
Design
and
not
by
subordinating
drivers
and
residents
who
live
here
into
some
form
of
medieval
torture?
To
be
able
to
I
mean
it?
The
one
of
the
state
capital
I'm
sure
you're
familiar
with
that
one
right
in
front
of
the
house
in.
D
It's
probably
75
feet
long,
so
you
actually
go
a
lot
but
then
you're
on
a
raised
platform
and
go
back
down
and
people
do
it
very
slowly,
because
pedestrians
are
walking
back
and
forth
there.
So
certainly
there's
applications
that
make
sense,
but
is
there
anything
that
you
can
come
up
with?
That
would
restore
what
we've
lost
in
the
downtown
and
I'm
going
to
maybe
specifically
mention
some
median
restoration
and
then
I
want
to
lobby
with
this
that,
if
you're
looking
for
support
for
this,
those
of
us
that
are
reticent,
what
can
we
get?
D
N
B
D
Parking
in
the
community
and
have
two
or
three
levels
underground,
but
do
like
Scottsdale,
where
you've
got
open,
sunlight
coming
in
with
the
design
and
then
using
the
surface
for
farmers,
markets
or
special
events
or
those
types
of
things
is
just
there
anything
else.
We
can
do
to
Lobby
you
to
he's
consistent
with
the
mission
you've
been
given,
but
to
do
it
in
a
way
that
has
a
more
proportional
scale
to
the
town.
O
We
have
looked
one
of
the
studies
looked
at
what
they
call
road
diet,
where
you
actually
take
one
lane
out
the
problem.
Is
it
changes
the
level
of
service
of
the
road
so
badly
that
it
creates
a
negative
impact?
So
we
are
looking
at
that.
The
other
problem
that
we
have
sorry
I'll
get
it
again.
Councilman
argot
I
was
flashing
back
too
far
was
that
we
have
a
problem
with
right
away.
We
don't
have
we
for
the
size
road.
O
We
really
don't
have
a
lot
of
the
work
to
transfer
vote,
and
so
we
are
so
we
are
trying
to
utilize
what
we
have
for
the
bike.
Lanes,
the
medians,
the
the
lanes
that
we
we
have
available
and
right
now
we're
trying
to
figure
out
how
we're
going
to
get
Pathways
and
trying
to
get
the
trying
to
get
easements
to
put
in
The
Pedestrian
Pathways
that
are
necessary
to
interconnect
this
town
Mr.
D
Mayor
Hal:
could
you
without
getting
a
million
dollars
of
changes?
Is
there
a
way
where
and
we've
talked
before
and
earning
and
others
where
you
have
two
lanes
for
traffic
and
then
two
lanes
for
diagonal
parking
and
or
special
events,
and
then
those
two
lanes
would
be
closed
off
and
allow
pedestrians
strollers,
bicycles
and
things
like
that,
I
mean.
Is
there
any
way
to
take
what
we
currently
have
and
use
it
in
more
in
a
more
modified
way?
D
O
D
Mean
median
restoration
is
a
great
start,
meeting,
cleaning
up
and
and
so
forth,
but
if
we
can
sweeten
the
deal
for
those
who
would
like
to
see
the
downtown
restored
to
something
that
it
hasn't
been
since
Antiquity,
because
we
didn't
have
the
traffic
trips
we
currently
have.
But
if
we
could
eventually
get
to
consistent
lighting,
Shades
ramadas
public
restrooms,
maybe
someday
underground
parking,
whether
it's
free
or
not.
If.
D
Can
we
do
it
in
a
way,
that's
more
attractive
or
more
scale
to
what
we
think
is
still
a
small
town?
I
know
it
probably
isn't,
but
if
we
can
fake
it
because
really,
if
you
go
to
Historic
communities
around
the
country
in
Canada,
New,
England
California
places
like
that.
There's
a
lot
of
creative
things
that
are
done
with
surface
Paving
structures.
I
mean
what
not
Knob
Hill,
maybe
in
Boston
or
things
like
that.
O
The
current
traffic
count
I
didn't
bring
it
with
me.
We
had
new
counts
done.
As
for
the
traffic
warrant
studies
as
far
as
the
amount,
it
is
up
in
the
over
20
000
a
week,
type
of
counts
that
we
that
we
have
but
less
than
ten
thousand
less
than
ten
thousand
Vehicles
a
day
which,
which
is
a
couple
of
the
warrants
that
young
can
talk
about,
and
maybe,
when
I'll
finish,
my
little
Spiel
and
then
I'll.
P
P
O
Yes,
it
was
that's.
We
called
it
a
I
think
it
was
referred
to
in
the
mag
studies
as
a
road
diet,
or
something
like
that
where
it
would
go
to
one
lane
and
then
make
it
so
that
one
of
the
lanes
could
be
used
for
parking
and
during
heavy
events
it
could
be
open
back
up,
but
most
of
the
time
it
was
going
to
be.
So
that
was
one
of
the
options,
but
it
wasn't
again.
O
H
A
A
We
have
to
do
everything
we
can
to
make
the
town
better
and
more
livable,
but
the
primary
humans
getting
hurt
is,
is
the
top
priority
of
all
the
jobs
that
we
do
every
option
and
that
study
had
a
number
of
options.
Yes,
that
you
have
not
presented
here
tonight
and
something
new
Council
people
probably
do
not
have
that
background.
A
Narrowing
the
the
lanes
bring
the
lanes
down
so
that
that
it's
inconvenient
to
drive
through
town
at
high
speeds-
and
there
were
two
factors.
The
speed
and
getting
people
across
the
streets
safely
were
the
two
factors,
and
so
the
the
speed
tables
one
out
against
the
other
options,
because
we
didn't
think
we
could
get
traffic
through
town
with
parallel
parking
was,
as
I
recall,
was
the
proposal
that
was
presented
in
that
first
study.
A
My
personal
thought
was
that
well
now,
you're
going
to
have
people
jaywalking
people,
jaywalk
and
they're,
going
to
be
jaywalking
for
behind
a
parked
car
and
your
site
distances
for
avoiding
pedestrians
is
going
to
be
worse.
The
other
number
I
remember
was
there
was
a
45
projected
Improvement
in
pedestrian
safety
from
the
speed
tables.
Yes,.
O
And
that
was
part
of
that
was
because
of
the
speed.
The
change
in
speed
right
now,
I
believe
the
last
count
that
we
had
the
85th
percentile
speed
was
somewhere
and
young.
Please
correct
me:
if
I
get
the
number
wrong
I
believe
the
85th
percentile
was
around
43
miles
an
hour
is
what
I
refreshed
in
the
in
the
study
and
that
so
that
means
that
15
are
going
over
that
and
85
percent
are
going
less
than
less
than
43
miles
an
hour.
O
A
Stop
signs,
you
know
the
whole
works
made
it
to
make
drivers
slow
down
to
make
it
less
comfortable
because
lanes
are
narrower.
You've
got
two
lanes
rather
than
four.
That
was
one
of
the
proposals
with
two
lanterns.
Yes,
four
I'm,
not
sure
you
get
13
000
cars
a
day,
especially
since
they're
they're,
not
driving
at
2,
am
in
the
morning
they're
driving.
You
know,
that's.
A
A
O
K
I
had
those
who
had
those
figures
at
one
of
the
meetings
once
I,
don't
remember
them
now.
You
know
it
was.
It
was
pretty
impressive,
but
difference
between
25,
30
and
and
35
and
40
40
was
40.
I
believe
was
like
10
of
the
people
actually
survive
is
if,
if
they
got
a
full
solid
trade
on
hit,
that's
pretty
scary.
O
O
O
I
think
there
we
go
so
the
town
applied
for
mag
for
three
recommended
projects
that
exceeded
the
minimum
cost
ratio
of
2.0.
We
applied
for
470
000
in
Grants,
from
mag,
with
the
town
committing
to
the
design
costs
for
our
share
of
the
funding.
The
town
was
not
successful
this
time,
but
we
feel
if
we
go
ahead
with
the
design
and
have
it
I
think,
as
the
government
used
to
refer
to
them
shovel
ready,
then
we
will
stand
a
better
chance
of
getting
funding.
H
O
Have
well
for
the
mag
for
the
Meg
study.
This
was
for
the
actual
construction
costs
for
doing
the
doing
the
different
speed
tables
and
we
weren't
we
weren't
going
to
go
ahead
with
any
construction
until
we
could
check
on
funding
and
it's
the
rrfbs
that
are
the
expensive
part.
The
speed
tables
are
about
10
to
15
000,
a
piece
the
rrfbs
are
100
and
about
a
hundred
thousand
a
piece
100
to
150
000,
a
piece
to
put
in
so
those
flashing,
beacons
and,
and
the
signalization
is
what
the
expensive
part
is.
O
O
And
so
the
three
intersections
we
looked
at
are
were
Cave
Creek
Road
Schoolhouse
Road,
which
is
currently
a
four-way,
stop
with
flashing
beacons,
Cave
Creek,
Road
and
Schoolhouse
Road,
which
is
just
a
stop
on
schoolhouse
I
mean
excuse
me
that
should
be
spur
across
and
then
Cape
Creek
Road
in
Rancho,
Manana
Boulevard,
which
is
just
a
local
stop
on
Rancho,
Manana
Boulevard
and
with
that
I
will
turn
it
over
for
the
results
to
Young.
To
give
you
the
results
that
she
had
and
if
you
could
bring
up
her
presentation.
Please.
P
P
P
P
P
At
the
intersection
of
spur
Cross,
Road
and
Cave,
Creek
Road
we
evaluated
weather
and
always
stop
is
warranted,
and
it
is
not
warranted.
Based
on
current
traffic
volumes,
the
there's
a
question
earlier
about
the
the
traffic
volumes
along
Cave,
Creek,
Road
and
and
that
being
just
under
13
000
vehicles
per
day.
P
There
have
been
five
crashes
in
the
past
five
years
at
this
intersection
one,
it
was
a
one
resulted
in
a
serious
injury
involving
a
bicyclist
and
both
the
bicyclist
and
the
vehicle
were
operating
correctly
in
their
in
their
Lanes.
The
existing
level
of
service
operations
are
adequate.
We
do
recommend
keeping
the
existing
Miner
Street
Stock
control,
but
we
have
a
couple
of
recommendations
to
enhance
the
safety
and
operation
at
the
intersection.
P
P
P
We
also
are
recommending
stop
ahead
pavement
markings
on
the
southbound
approach.
This
is
a
low-cost
systemic
safety
countermeasure
that
could
be
implemented,
Town
town
wide,
but
just
gives
drivers
additional
advanced
warning
of
that
stop,
and
we
also
recommend
replacing
and
upgrading
the
size
of
that
existing
stop
sign
for
Star
Cross
next
slide.
P
The
intersection
of
Cave,
Creek,
Road
and
Rancho
Manana
Boulevard
was
not
warranted
for
an
always
stop.
There
have
been
two
crashes
in
the
past
five
years,
no
serious
injury,
but
there
was
a
possible
injury
involving
a
cyclist
again.
The
cyclist
and
the
motor
vehicle,
which
was
a
Northbound
left
turn
and
a
southbound
cyclist.
They
were
in
their
proper
Lanes,
but
did
collide.
P
The
existing
level
of
service
operations
are
adequate,
and
at
this
intersection
we
are
recommending
to
actually
paint
the
stop
bars,
the
crosswalk
on
the
northwest
side
of
Cave,
Creek,
Road
and
upgrading
the
size
of
the
stop
signs
as
well
and
again
having
the
stop
ahead.
Pavement
marking
in
advance
of
the
the
approach
from
the
West,
the
green
conflict
markings
and
the
bike
lanes
are
also
intended
to
delineate
the
travel
way
and
bring
attention
to
motorists
and
cyclists
that
the
conflict
exists
between
turning
vehicles
at
this
intersection.
A
P
Overall,
these,
these
intersections
have
a
very
good
safety
record.
The
crashes
that
are
typically
preventable
by
a
traffic
signal
would
be
left,
turn
crashes
and
angle
crashes
and
what
was
experienced
was
primarily
a
single
vehicle.
There
was
a
vehicle
that
ran
off
the
road.
There
was
a
vehicle
that
hit
an
animal,
so
it
so
overall,
you
have
good
crash
experience
at
these
intersections.
Another
consideration
for
the
installation
of
a
traffic
signal
is
that
a
traffic
signal
is
likely
to
increase
rear
end
collisions.
A
A
H
O
O
A
F
C
Good
evening
everybody
David
Phelps,
Cave
Creek
resident
I
was
particularly
wanting
to
see
the
the
analysis
for
the
Rancho
Manana
Boulevard
when
I
got
the
report
and
realized
that
it
was
a
one
day,
traffic
study
after
basically
our
season
had
ended
at
Easter.
I
was
a
little
bit
perplexed
as
to
how
we're
going
to
find
the
validity
in
our
study.
C
If
we're
always
going
to
be
looking
at
traffic
on
Wednesday
and
not
during
bike
week
or
not
during
peak
times,
when
we
really
have
the
intensities
like
on
Friday
evening
and
Sunday
afternoon,
when
people
are
trying
to
make
a
left
out
of
Rancho
Manana
and
go
north.
So
I
talked
to
an
analyst
somebody
that
did
analysis,
work,
statistics
and
the
right
way
to
do.
The
analysis
is
to
put
the
stop
signs
in
and
see
what
your
results
are,
and
you
take
a
year
to
do
that.
C
I,
don't
think
we're
going
to
be
able
to
do
that
in
our
little
town,
but
it
just
kind
of
shows
you
the
difference
between
how
people
can
look
at
a
situation
and
how
they
can
come
up
with
the
recommendations
they
do.
So,
for
our
one
day,
study
putting
paint
on
the
ground
in
different
places
for
the
bike
Lanes
or
the
crosswalk,
does
it
actually
slow
the
43
mile
an
hour,
speed
average
for
the
people
that
are
coming
out
of
the
what
I
call
the
slingshot
of
the
spur
Crossroad
Cave,
Creek,
Road,
intersection
and
I?
C
Think
Common
Sense
will
tell
you,
no
that's
not
going
to
slow
anybody
down,
so
I
think
we're
back
to
something
like
the
speed
tables
to
try
to
slow
people
down,
and
we
have
to
look
beyond
the
answer
of
stop
signs
because
of
the
analysis
telling
us
yeah.
If
you
stop
somebody,
there
they're
going
to
go
twice
as
fast
to
get
to
the
next
stop
sign
or
the
next
speed
regulator
down
the
street
or
not
winning.
C
I
I
maintain
that
the
the
one
Monument
sign
that
we
had
done
there
at
we
had
the
monument
signed
removed,
I
think
speed
was
a
factor
with
that.
There
was
a
vehicle
that
had
a
malfunction
but
I
think
speed
was
a
factor
I
think
if
that
guy
had
been
coming
off
of
a
stop
sign
right.
There
we'd
probably
still
have
our
monuments
on
in
this
in
this.
C
The
idea
that,
when
you
need
to
have
a
balance
of
traffic
coming
from
all
four
directions
to
Warrant,
stop
signs
where
you
need
to
have
accidents
to
Warrant,
stop
signs.
It's
a
little
bit
cockeyed
to
me,
because
that
would
tell
me
that
we're
not
really
qualified
to
have
the
four-way
stop
at
Schoolhouse,
where
they
have
just
a
little
bit
of
traffic
coming
off
the
hill
at
Schoolhouse,
but
a
lot
of
traffic
coming
southbound
in
schoolhouse,
so
see
Schoolhouse
almost
seems
like
it
qualifies
for
a
three-way
stop,
but
maybe
not
a
four-way
stop.
C
So
this
stuff
really
is
complex
when
it
comes
down
to
trying
to
get
all
the
just
decisions.
Correct
I.
Thank
you,
Hal
for
your
due
diligence.
I
know
this
can't
be
easy.
This
is
year
13
on
this
study
year.
Three
but
I
know
this
is
going
to
be
a
no-win
situation
to
put
in
the
speed
of
labels.
I
know
just
having
your
front
end.
Aligned
as
an
expense
in
people
with
horse
trailers
and
motorcycles
are
probably
not
going
to
be
happy
with
it.
A
M
A
A
O
Okay,
mayor
and
Council,
this
is
a
lease
renewal.
It's
been
I
think
it
began
with
Western
cellular
about
20
years
ago.
It's
just
they
go
through
five-year
periods.
This
site
is
over
by
the
Shell
gas
or
the
Chevron
gas
station
at
the
southwest
corner
of
Cave
Creek
and
Carefree
Highway,
and
we've
changed
the
we.
We
have
a
proposal
for
renewing
it
for
five
years
at
7
500
per
year.
F
A
B
B
A
O
It
is
mayor,
member
of
account,
members
of
council.
We
have
two
vehicles.
One
is
budgeted
to
replace
a
2007
vehicle
that
we
have
that
sat
idle
for
about
six
or
eight
weeks,
while
because
we
got
a
quote
back
for
twelve
thousand
dollars
to
do
the
repair
on
it.
One
of
our
Public
Works,
guys,
who
also
does
repair,
was
able
to
get
it
back
and
running
and
serviceable
at
least
now
a
little
bailing,
wire
and
duct
tape
for
about
a
grand.
K
K
H
A
F
B
A
Approval
and
resolution
r
2023-18
a
resolution
of
Mayor
and
Town
Council
town
of
Cave
Creek
Maricopa
County
Arizona,
authorizing
the
mayor
to
execute,
on
behalf
of
the
Town,
a
construction
manager
at
risk,
cmar
contract
with
mgc
Contractors
Incorporated.
Regarding
the
water
system,
interconnect
with
the
city
of
Phoenix,
presented
by
the
utility
director
John
who's
in
front
of
us
now
on
video.
I
Community
Council
apologize
for
not
being
here
in
person
today
was
the
travel
day
coming
back
from
a
small
vacation.
So
as
indicating
title,
this
is
a
continuation
of
our
interconnect
project
to
create
a
water
interconnect
with
the
city
of
Phoenix
a
quick
background.
The
town
purchased
a
site
for
this
facility
a
few
years
ago,
and
we
engaged
with
black
and
Beach
Engineers
to
do
the
design
a
few
years
ago.
I
They're
at
the
point
where
we
thought
that
the
best
way
to
proceed
forward
for
this
contract
because
of
the
nuances
of
what's
the
different
work
areas,
the
procurement
the
pre-procurement
is
going
to
have
to
get
done,
is
to
use
the
construction
manager
risk.
This
is
similar
to
the
Contracting
mechanism
that
Jim
brought
forward.
As
far
as
the
work
that's
going
to
get
done
on
the
the
new
Fire
Station
improvements
project.
I
I
I
They
were
the
ones
that
the
the
selection
committee
thought
was
the
best
our
group
for
us
to
move
forward
with
we
had
three
firms
in
total
submit
on
the
project.
We
moved
forward
to
interviews
with
two
we
actually
similar
to
Jim's
project.
We
had
a
selection
committee
consisting
of
a
a
contractor's
representative
who
was
not
someone
who
was
not
going
to
bid
on
the
project.
We
had
our
design,
engineer,
block
of
each
Engineers
involved
and
then
we
actually
had
Bill.
D
I
Actually
sat
on
the
committee
fores
and
she
had
someone
from
the
city
of
Peoria,
their
utilities,
engineering
manager,
myself,
Hal
Marin,
actually
helped
with
the
early
proposals,
but
was
not
part
of
the
interview
panel
moving
forward.
We
thought
that
the
panel
thought
that
MCC
would
be
the
best
contractor
to
complete
the
scope
of
work.
It's
not
just
the
work
at
the
interconnect
site
and
that's
where
we
think
the
complications
comes
in
is
we're
bringing
a
new
water
supply
into
Phoenix.
I
We
also
have
to
to
disconnect
our
water
system
and
then
we're
also
removing
a
pressure
reducing
valve
in
Cave
Creek
Road
and
we're
making
improvements
to
our
Neary
facility.
So
we
got
multiple
work
areas
now.
One
of
the
advantages
of,
or
one
of
the
things
that
we'll
get
out
of
this
pre-construction
Services,
is
that
they'll
review
the
constructability,
constructability
and
biddability
in
the
design
that
black
beaches
put
together
right
now.
Black
is
a
point
where
they
have
not
made
submittals
to
the
regulatory
bodies.
So
we
have
some
time
to
make
some
amendments.
I
We
can
look
to
see
where
the
pricing
is
and
they're
also
going
to
give
us
a
lot
of
feedback
on
what
we
need
to
do.
Moving
forward
with
purchasing
for
the
project,
I'm
still
hearing
that
we
could
be
over
12
months
on
on
getting
the
equipment,
the
larger
pumps
and
electrical
equipment
that
we
need
for
this
project.
So
after
the
pre-construction
services,
scope
is
done.
I
What
mgc
will
do
is
and
we'll
come
back
to
council
is
to
award
a
construction
manager
risk
we're
currently
thinking
it
may
be
two
because
we
may
have
them
do
come
and
ask
to
do
a
pre-purchase,
so
that
allows
them
to
authorize
to
get
the
the
pumps
and
motors
and
electrical
gear
purchased
before
we
finalize
design,
or
we
might
just
do
one
gmpa.
We
haven't
decided
that
the
contract
allows
us
both
options.
I
I
So
yeah
with
that
we're
asking
Council
award
this
again
we're
continuing
with
the
the
design
with
black
and
Beach.
We
actually
do
have
a
change
order,
we'll
probably
be
coming
back
with
lack
of
each
design,
Scope
Services
the
next
month
or
two,
and
then
we'll
also
have
the
next
action
for
Council
B,
with
with
engaging
with
mgc,
will
be
coming
back
with
the
GMP,
either
one
or
two,
depending
on
again
what
mgc
recommends
that
we
move
forward
with
on
the
project?
I
I
One
constructive
will
provide
about
half
the
summer
demands
for
the
system,
but
it
gives
a
greatly
increases
the
system
reliability
right
now,
if
we
have
an
outage
on
the
cap
pipeline
or
if
we
have
a
major
issue
with
the
the
Watershed
plan
or
even
with
our
Neary
facility,
because
all
the
water
from
the
water
treatment
plant
must
pass
through
the
Neary
facility
before
it
enters
the
distribution
system.
Any
issues
at
any
of
those
three
sites
is
critical
for
us.
I
I
Interconnect
another
great
advantage
of
it.
It
actually
allows
us
to
take
some
of
those
facilities
out
of
service
and
do
major
improvements,
add
or
maintenance
on
them
without
having
to
deal
with
a
live
system.
So
I
think
this
would
be
a
game
changer
for
the
town
system.
It's
something
I'm!
You
know
after
being
here
over
four
years,
I'm
very
much
looking
forward
to
for
that
extra
reliability
and
our
ability
to
run
the
system
more
efficiently.
I
So
with
that,
I
can
answer
any
questions
again
we're
just.
This
is
just
a
pre-construction
phase
of
the
work
which
gives
them
the
the
Monies
to
look
at
the
constructability,
get
all
the
pricing
together
and
then
come
and
present
us
with
a
detailed
guaranteed
maximum
price
proposal
and
schedule
for
the
project.
A
Second,
like
I,
said
the
first
ideas
I
heard
about
this
were
on
the
water
advisory
committee
back
in
those
the
2015
or
so
when
I
was
on
that
committee
and
I
think
this
is
one
of
the
best
things
we
advocated
for
the
town.
It's
a
pleasure
for
me
to
see
it
coming
because
it's
going
to
be
a
game
changer
for
the
reliability
of
the
town
and
the
town
without
water
is
unlovable.
K
A
B
E
I
Mickey
Marion
Council
Michelle
vanquisen,
who
actually
helped
us
draft
most
of
this
language
on
the
meeting
with
us.
This
is
a
follow-up
for
continuation
and
we
have
a
small
presentation
on
this
from
the
June
19th
meeting
when
we
actually
presented
all
of
these
proposed
changes
and
they're
being
put
out.
One
next
slide
right,
they're
being
proposed
to
help
us
implement
the
drought
management
plan
that
the
Town
Council
approved
last
year,
so
Cave
Creek
is
unique
in
that
we
rely
very
heavily
on
our
cap.
I
I
We
do
have
some
groundwater
Wells
we're
looking
at
that
we're
actually
looking
to
bring
some
of
them
online
rushy.
In
the
middle
of
doing
the
wrapping
up,
getting
close
to
completing
the
integrated
master
plan
and
doing
something
with
our
groundwater
supplies
is
something
that's
something
we're
seriously
considering
trying
to
bring
online.
We
do
run
the
two
different
Water
Systems
We,
Run,
The,
Cave
Creek
system
and
we're
in
the
desert.
I
Hill
system,
Desert
Hills,
does
have
three
operational
Wells,
but
they
can
produce
less
than
half
the
water
needs
for
the
customers
out
there
of
just
over
two
years
ago,
we
completed
a
new
non-demain
agricultural
we've
shortened
that
to
Nia
subcontract
for
Colorado
River
water,
the
386
acre
feet.
Ironically
this
year
we
were
not
able
to
get
the
full
allocation.
I
E
I
N
I
The
the
town
looked
at
a
Water
Resource
policy
that
was,
the
policy
allowed
us
to
look
at
how
we
can
make
sure
that
we
can
provide
water
to
our
current
customers
and
that
also
placed
a
limit
on
new
Services
outside
outside
the
town's
Municipal
limits.
So
the
town
doesn't
control
the
growth
in
our
Desert
Hills
areas,
the
areas
outside
our
Municipal
limits.
I
So
with
that
action
we
have
reduced
the
new
Connections
In,
the
Desert
Hills
portion
of
the
system
to
those
customers
that
have
current
contracts
with
the
town
that
does
not
mean
will
serve
letters.
It's
just
contractual
obligations
with
the
town
and
since
2021
we've
actually
also
moved
ahead
with
water
storage
and
water
recharge.
The
town
does
have
a
intergovernmental
agreement
with
City
of
Phoenix.
I
It
allows
us
to
do
some
recharging
with
Phoenix
with
them,
because
actually
it's
been
more
beneficial
for
us
to
actually
work
with
the
cap
staff
and
use
their
facilities
and
recharge
in
their
facilities.
So
we've
been
generating
new
water
resources
and
moving
ahead.
That's
next
slide.
Brian.
Those
are
only
short
term.
I!
Look
at
it.
You
know
we
have
to
look
at.
You
know
big
picture,
is
you
know,
as
the
shortage
continues
on
the
Colorado
River,
there's
more
potential
impacts
to
The
Cave
Creek
customers?
I
We
are
in
good
shape
right
now,
but
I
can't
continue
to
say
that
moving
forward
and
that's
really
what
the
drought
management
plan
was
put
in
place
to
to
actually
discuss
I
mean
we
also
had
a
lot
of
infrastructure
changes
in
the
water
system.
We've
had
the
disconnect
of
the
500
plus
Carefree
customers.
I
The
final
disconnects
are
working
their
way
through
and
total
will
be
550,
which
is
about
18
percent
of
the
Cave
Creek
Water
customers
will
be
transferred
to
carefree's
water
system
and
we
do
have
the
upcoming
connection
with
the
city
of
Phoenix,
which,
as
indicated
before,
is
going
to
be
I,
think
a
game
changer
for
the
reliability
of
the
overall
water
system.
It
doesn't
bring
new
water
resources
to
the
town,
but
it
gives
us
a
new
piece
of
physical
infrastructure
to
allow
us
to
deliver
water
next
slide
Brian.
I
So
in
in
2022
we
had
we
worked
with
Council
through
a
number
of
meetings
and
we
developed
an
approve.
What
we
refer
to
as
the
water,
storage
and
drought
plan
that
was
approved
by
resolution
in
November
21st,
and
it
lists
some
distinct
measures
of
how
we
could
try
to
protect
and
ensure
the
town's
Water
Supplies.
We
do
anticipate
there'll,
be
future
water
shortages.
I
Well,
while
we
actually
have
a
lot
of
call
or
we're
tied
largely
to
the
Colorado
River
supplies,
ours
is
a
little
bit
more
unique,
so
we
developed
some
specific
tiers
outages
where
it's
it's
the
staff
looking
at
and
coming
to
Council
on
at
least
an
annual
basis
talking
about
where
our
supplies
look
and
the
forecast
for
next
year
for
deliveries
and
what
our
customers
are
going
to
need
and
we
develop
tiers
based
on
that.
So
it's
not
directly
tied
to
the
cap
shortages,
but
we
can.
I
So
what
we
outlined
at
the
June
19th
meeting
was
was
the
specific
code
changes
that
are
before
you
tonight,
I'm,
not
sure
of
the
process.
Carrie
do
we
have
to
actually
read
them
all
into
code
or
just
have
to
do
a
summary
of
them.
At
this
point,
they're
outlined
in
the
ordinance
in
specifics,
I
was
just
going
to
plant
anything
through
pardon.
I
I
We
wanted
to
change
the
text
a
little
bit
about
making
sure
that
it's
clarified
that
the
waste
water-
it's
not
just
the
wasting
the
water
that
we're
trying
to
prevent,
is
actually
there's
also
a
penalty
to
that,
which
is
that
we
want
people
to
pay
for
that
wasting
of
water,
so
that
was
just
more
of
a
clerical
throughout
the
document.
In
that
case,
in
that
sections,
and
then
we
changed
section
f,
there
was
a
provision
for
us
to
impose
civil
sanctions
against
that.
I
We
tied
it
back
to
town
code,
which
I
thought
that
was
better
there
already
is
civil
sanctions
listed
in
town
code
in
section
10.99,
we
thought
that
was
better.
If
you
read
through
most
of
the
utility
code,
sections
50,
51
and
52,
they
actually
typically
tie
it
back
to
a
section
town
code,
section
1099
already,
so
that
seemed
to
be
a
good
cleanup
in
52
406
rates
and
charges.
I
E
E
I
It's
talking
through
the
process
of
what
I
will
do
as
a
utility
director
through
the
tail
manager,
bring
forward
to
council
to
talk
about
where
our
Water
Resource
projections
are
for
the
upcoming
year
or
if
it's
more
severe
than
that
at
a
more
frequent
basis,
and
then
asking
then
defining
that
as
what
we
would
respond
to
as
a
response
stages,
voluntary
measures
being
the
first
we're
always
in
a
voluntary
measure.
We
call
that
stage
zero,
we're
always
going
to
go
out.
Try
and
promote
people.
I
Sorry
after
the
week
started,
then
we
get
into
more
voluntary
measures
stage
through
through
invent
all
volunteer
measures,
stage
three
and
then
all
the
way
up
through
our
stage,
four,
which
is
one
for
a
stage.
Four
we're
in
a
very
severe
situation
where
we're
anticipating
we,
we
have
a
significant
shortage
in
our
ability
to
provide
water
to
our
existing
customers
without
those
customers.
Actually
restricting
it.
So
again,
this
this
section
is
really
put
forward
to
trying
to
just
document.
I
What's
in
the
drought
management
plan
that
was
already
passed
by
a
resolution
by
the
council,
52
999
penalty
and
administrative
sections,
that
was,
we
were
adding
again
the
better
defining
what
we
can
do
as
staff
to
move
this
forward.
Again.
Most
of
that
text
you'll
see
in
the
ordinance
it
better
defines
what
we
can
do
and
once
it's
one
thing
that
we've
looked
at
is
the
installation
of
potentially
flow
restrictors.
I
If
we
have
customers
that
are
unwilling
to
work
with
us
in
the
future
unwilling
to
participate
in
cutting
their
usage,
the
town
can
look
at
and
this
would
be.
You
know
a
very
extreme
case
of
adding
a
flow
restrictor
on
a
meter.
What
that
would
do
would
limit
the
amount
of
water
that
could
flow
through
that
meter
to
more
just
what's
needed
for
domestic
usage.
So
if
someone
was
not
willing
to
reduce
their
outdoor
water
use
or
other
large
water
users,
they
have,
we
could
use
that
as
a
method.
I
You
know
that's
the
extreme
I'm
hopeful
with
education
and
Outreach.
We
can
really
get
people
on
board
with
the
idea
of
doing
voluntary
measures,
but
being
that
this
has
to
be
a
town
code
that
allows
us
to
enforce
things
that
this
is
why
it's
in
here,
so
we
we
don't
anticipate
using,
but
we
have
to
have
the
ability
to
use
this.
That's
why
we
needed
to
do
this
amendment
to
town
code,
to
give
us
that
Authority
and.
D
I
To
give
us
that
direction
in
the
future
and
Authority
in
the
future,
we
also
talked
about
a
violation
procedure
and
how
people
could,
through
administrative
sanctions,
how
that
would
work.
I
think
of
Mr
Sims
brought
up
before
again
to
sort
of
the
carrot
and
the
stick
type
of
effect,
but
you
know
being
this
being
a
town
code.
We
have
to
have
both
in
there,
so
we
have
to
have
the
ability
to
require
people.
So
that's
what
the
largest
changes
are
in
52
999.
I
I
So
that's
just
a
more
of
a
cleanup.
It's
really
the
most
current.
Those
codes
and
standards
are
usually
updated
on
an
annualized
basis.
So
we,
through
this
process,
we
saw
this
and
we
wanted
to
present
present
that
code
change
just
to
refine
that
TSA
Cave
Creek,
supplemental
standards
and
or
the
adopted
most
recent
Miracle.
The
uniform
standards
specifications
for
construction
standards
so
and
with
that
I
can
answer
any
questions.
I
Michelle
I'm,
not
sure
if
you
want
to
mention
any
of
the
things
that
are
happening
in
other
jurisdictions
in
regards
to
this
I
think
yeah.
We
hear
more
and
more
in
the
news
you
know
this
year
has
been
a
fairly
good
year
as
far
as
water
resources
on
the
on
the
Colorado
River,
and
that's
because
we
had
an
exceptional
snowpack
I.
I
Don't
think
anybody's
thinking
that
this
is
resetting
us
and
getting
us
out
of
the
situation
that
we've
been
in
for
the
past
24
years
with
water
resources,
especially
in
Colorado
River,
but
it
just
it
bought
us
some
more
time.
So
this
allows
the
town
to
look
at
what
other
jurisdictions
have
done
and
make
it
something
specific
to
the
town
of
Cave
Creek.
N
I
would
just
add
Sean,
that's
a
good
presentation.
I
would
just
add
that
you
know
we
can
look
at
other
jurisdictions
in
the
Phoenix
area,
but
they
really
are
a
little
different
than
Cave
Creek
and
that
most
of
them
are
somewhat
groundwater.
Dependent
and
Cave.
Creek
does
not
have
a
diverse
portfolio
of
water.
So
when
there
is
a
shortage
on
the
Colorado
River,
there
will
be
a
shortage
in
Cave
Creek
Water,
potentially
that
it's
available
to
provide
to
customers
right
away
in
that
year.
N
So
you
do
need
to
have
a
little
bit
more
aggressive
drought
management
plan.
You
need
the
teeth,
as
well
as
the
incentives,
so
your
plan
is
probably
a
little
more
developed
than
some
of
the
other
communities
I've
seen
I
did
see
that
the
City
of
Phoenix
just
implemented
a
four
dollar
surcharge
for
Drought
purposes
that
will
go
into
effect
in
the
customers.
N
October
bill,
I'll
be
paying
that
and
we've
also
seen
the
flow
restrictors
in
Las
Vegas
in
Nevada
California
has
some
pretty
aggressive
measures
that
they
take
for
Drought
management,
so
these
Provisions
are
starting
to
show
up
in
a
lot
of
different
places.
The
City
of
Phoenix
has
used
flow
restrictors
for
people
who
don't
pay
their
bills
before
in
a
pilot
program.
So
those
are
scary
things,
but
that's
exactly
why
they're
needed.
Hopefully
they
won't
ever
be
needed,
but
they're
there,
if
they're,
if
they're
needed
or
needed
to
be
threatened.
I
Okay,
so
the
action
tonight
is
this
is
just
the
the
first
reading
of
the
ordinance
and
then
what
we'll
bring
back
to
the
next
council
meeting
is
the
second
hearing
and
then
once
the
second
reading
is
occurred,
I
believe
there's
this
30-day
waiting
period
before
it
becomes
effective
in
the
town
code.
But
this
is
just
we're
going
through
the
process
to
amend
town
code,
to
allow
staff
and
Council
to
implement
the
recommendations
of
the
drought
management
plan
for
the
town.
A
I
mean
the
town
of
Cape.
Creek
has
been
the
angel
for
Desert
Hills.
We
they
wouldn't
have
water
out
there.
It
wasn't
for
our
town
and
for
the
the
water
allocation
that
our
town
has
has
been.
What
is
six
or
six
seven
hundred
thousand
or
600
or
700
acre
feet
per
year,
which
is
getting
close
to
33
percent
of
the
town's
allocation,
so
the
town
of
Cave
Creek.
A
If
we
are
short
of
water,
that's
where
our
water
will
have
gone
and
it's
it's
being
a
policy
throughout
the
country
to
charge
customers
outside
of
the
Town,
a
higher
rate
for
the
town
for
for
the
town,
administering
that
service
and
I'm,
aware
of
nothing
in
state
law.
But
if
state
law
does
not
prohibit
charging
more
for
customers
outside
of
the
city
limits
and
I
know
that
other
towns
do
that,
for
example,
I
believe
Phoenix
does.
A
N
Yes,
I'm
I
I
understand
the
concern.
I
would
point
out
that
that
is
an
existing
ordinance.
It's
not
being
changed
for
that
purpose.
That's
how
it's
been
in
the
ordinances
it
it
allows.
The
current
wording
in
that
ordinance
allows
the
town
to
charge
a
different
rate
to
its
different
service
areas,
and
there
is
law
that
it
affects
this
question.
N
So
that's
an
easy
way
to
distinguish
your
rates
in
Desert
Hills
versus
your
weights
in
Cape,
Creek
and
I.
Believe
Sean
did
that
in
the
last
race
study
he
compared
different
costs
for
the
different
service
areas.
That's
that's
entirely
defensible
under
the
law
as
a
reasonable
type
of
discrimination.
There
may
be
other
things
that
you
can
add
to
that
list
of
factors
in
setting
rates.
They
would
just
need
to
be
reasonable
and
non-discriminatory
I.
A
Would
just
use
that
language
and
just
make
it
so
that
we,
it
wasn't
so
definitive
that
that
the
town
and
Desert
Hills
had
to
be
done
on
a
cost
recovery
strictly
on
cost
recovery
and
put
your
reasonable
language
in
there.
So
I'm
not
proposing
anything
but
I'm.
Just
saying
I,
I
I'm,
putting
my
business
hat
on.
Don't
unreasonably
restrict
us
when
there's
no
need
to
do
so,
whether
it's
a
contract
or
whether
it's
a
town
code.
J
Mr
Mayor,
if
you
go
to
the
fourth
line,
the
session
you're
reading
52
406,
it
confirms
what
Michelle
just
mentioned.
It
says
you
can
look
to
the
proportion
of
cost
of
securing
development,
certainly
delivering
in
the
particular
service
there,
so
that
that
does
allow
you
to
have
different
rates
and
normally
it
will
be
excess
rates
out
of
town
I'm,
a
cyber
City
attorney.
We
have
a
water
company
and
we
actually,
we
we.
We
were
actually
serving
that
we
we
have
to
charge
a
faster
customer
on
the
same
street.
J
A
N
I
think
it's
a
question
of
of
what
is
reasonable
and
what
factor
would
we
add
to
cost
that
would
be
reasonable
and
you're
right.
We
could
change
the
language
to
reasonable,
although
I'll
leave
the
procedure
to
to
Bill's
discretion,
but
it
begs
the
question
of
what
is
reasonable
other
than
cost
as
a
factor
in
determining
a
water
rate
that
is
a
public
utility.
So.
A
If
you
figure
out
what
reasonable
is
now
I'm,
just
saying,
let's
put
something
in
there.
So
if
we
determine
at
some
point
in
the
future,
something
else
is
reasonable.
We
have
to
be
able
to
do
that
without
changing
town
code
yeah
anyway,
this
first
reading.
So
we
can
proceed
on
to
my
second
one,
which
is
Sean.
This
is
more
of
an
engineering
thing.
A
I
I,
just
I
I
would
like
to
add
something
to
151-15
Public
Works
code
that
allows
you
the
Authority
to
to
modify
these
standards,
if
necessary,
to
achieve
water,
quality
or
water
conservation,
because
these
National
codes
are
written
by
pipe
suppliers
and
suppliers
to
sell
more
or
whatever
they
have,
whether
it's
pipe
or
higher,
diameters
or
anything
else
and
I.
We
have
a
quality
problem.
At
times
we
have
to
waste
water
to
to
do
that.
A
The
size
of
the
lines
is
always
an
issue
with
me
when
you
have
an
eight
inch
line
going
to
three
houses,
yeah,
so
I
I
would
I
just
want
to
give
you
some
wiggle
room
under
this
here
to
apply
engineering
judgment
where
there
is
a
quality
or
conservation
issue.
It's
just
a
simple
phrase
in
there
somewhere
for
that
yeah.
I
I
B
A
E
F
C
E
C
For
allowing
me
to
speak
on
this
issue
on
page
I
think
it's
page,
two
section
52
406
section
2B:
we
put
a
strike
through
the
words
Cave
Creek
and
Desert
Hills
areas
and
I'm
just
wondering
why
we
decided
to
strike
those
terms.
It
appears
that
we
could
then
provide
standpipe
services
to
anyone
and
I
just
want
to
get
clarity
on
them.
B
I
Yes,
mayor
council,
Ms
Phelps,
that
was
just
I
think
we
do
actually
do
offer
standpipe
services
still
in
in
Desert
Hills
we're
actually
working
on
an
amendment
with
the
west
side,
with
area
for
the
standpipe
that
got
created
in
in
at
the
town's
Water
Ranch
to
allow
the
Desert
Hills
customers
to
get
moved
over
to
that.
So
we
don't
have
to
invest
in
two
different
standpipes.
We
have
a
limited
number
of
standpoint:
customers
we're
not
adding
to
that.
That's
actually
based
on
the
2021
Water
Resource
policy
for
Desert
Hills.
I
It's
only
the
existing
customers
I
believe
we
actually
only
have
six
Active
standpipe
customers
that
are
paying
the
monthly
fees.
So
we
won't
add
to
that
because
we
won't
have
any
more
contractual
obligations.
So
we
just
thought
that
was
just
more
of
a
cleanup
in
the
text.
Just
refer
back
to
you
know
we
don't
have
yeah
just
strike.
Our
thought
was
to
strike
that
out
in
the
future.
We
anticipate
only
have
one
standpipe
moving
forward
with
the
town.
I
E
C
E
C
I
Mayor
council
was
being
discussed,
is
The.
Cave
Creek
private
water
company
had
extended
a
12-inch
lineup
spur
Crossroad
with
the
anticipation
of
that
feeding.
What
was
going
to
be
a
development
spur
cross
which
the
town
elected
to
to
try
to
take
control
of
by
both
also
creating
the
spur
cross-conservation
area
and
purchasing
the
water
company,
but
we
are
left
with
a
12-inch
water
line
about
it
actually
goes
up
from
a
Schoolhouse
Road
across
this
floating
Springs
Road.
I
I
So
do
we
need
to
set
limits
on
that
and
that
12
inch
line
is
is
an
issue
for
the
town
long
term?
Do
we
need
to
look
at
a
way
to
Loop
that
line
somehow
and
or
maybe
replace
it
with
something
else,
a
smaller
diameter
line,
but
that's
actually
something
we
are
looking
at.
That
is
a
piece
of
infrastructure
that
has
a
negative
impact
in
other
Town's
water
system
from
a
water
quality
standpoint,
because
we
do
have
to
flush
water
out
of
that
line
because
we
do
not
have
enough
customers
on
it.
I
But
we've
been
approached
by
some
Property
Owners
along
Cave
Creek,
wash
in
that
area
north
of
Rancho
mignano
Resort,
and
we
do
not
have
any
plans
right
now
as
a
town
to
actually
extend
service
into
there,
and
we
have
to
have
a
discussion.
Is
the
few
discussions
I've
had?
Is
people
are
asking
just
not
to
extend
a
ponderable
water
service
but
they're
looking
for
fire
service,
which
that
in
effect
doesn't
help
the
system
because
it
doesn't
move
the
line
unless
there's
a
fire
event?
I
So
it
gives
me
even
more
lines
to
deal
with
out
there,
but
so
that's
a
topic
we're
actually
actively
discussing
as
part
of
the
master
plan.
We
hope
to
be
coming
back
to
Council
in
the
next
either
next
meetings
or
set
a
separate
Workshop
to
actually
have
that
meeting
with
Council
discussion
with
Council
on
that.