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From YouTube: 01 May 2023 Regular Cave Creek Town Council meeting
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Okay,
I'm,
going
to
read
an
opening
statement.
I've
been
trying
to
read
routinely
here,
welcome
to
the
count
Town
council
meeting,
I'm
Bob
Morris,
the
mayor
before
we
begin
our
meeting
I'd
like
to
clarify
how
it
is
conducted
and
specifically
the
public
comment
portion
of
the
meetings
public
comment
is
welcome.
This
is
one
of
the
many
ways
to
inform
your
local
governmental
representatives
and
staff
of
issues
that
are
important
to
you
and
to
suggest
improvements
in
the
way
we
conduct
the
town's
business.
A
Our
goal
is
to
have
a
welcoming
and
friendly
atmosphere
between
our
community
members
and
local
government.
Speakers
are
reminded
to
address
their
comments
to
the
mayor
and
Council
and
not
to
the
audience.
Arizona
open,
meeting
law
governs
these
activities
and
greatly
restricts
how
meetings
are
conducted
and
how
council
members
communicate
outside
of
the
public
meeting.
There
are
two
opportunities
for
the
public
to
speak
first
and
call
to
the
public
immediately.
Following
these
remarks,
you'll
have
an
opportunity
to
speak
to
council
staff
and
all
those
participating
in
watching
via
Zoom.
A
There
can
be
no
discussion
by
Council
of
items
raised,
but
we
can
direct
staff
to
investigate.
Arizona
law
requires
that
all
discussed
items
Beyond
a
published
and
advertised
agenda,
so
all
parties
have
noticed
a
potential
action.
Speakers
must
come
to
the
podium
and
speak
directly
to
the
council
speaking
to
the
staff
or
to
other
audience.
Members
is
not
permitted.
Please
speak
clearly
into
the
microphone
to
begin
state.
Your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
A
You
will
have
three
minutes
to
speak
on
the
relevant
subject.
You
will
note
a
set
of
three
lights
on
the
podium
green
means
you're
within
your
three
minutes.
It
turns
yellow
as
your
time's
about
to
expire
and
red
when
your
time
is
expired.
At
that
point,
please
expeditiously
conclude
your
thoughts.
The
second
way
to
publicly
communicate
with
us
is
during
the
public
comment
or
public
hearing
section
on
an
agenda
item
speaking
is
conducted
the
same
way
as
the
call
to
the
public
at
the
microphone
and
limited
to
three
minutes.
A
If
you
wish
to
speak
during
either
of
these
opportunities,
please
take
a
form
on
the
table
near
the
door
right
there
fill
out.
Your
information
please
hand
it
to
our
town
clerk
Teresa
Riza
sitting
right
here
sitting
to
the
left
of
council
members.
She
will
call
your
name
when
is
your
time
to
participate.
F
E
They
added
the
adjacent
stamp
Mill
property,
which
makes
a
total
of
36
purchases
Acres.
So
with
the
lock
coverage
were
allowed
on
36
Acres,
you
end
up
being
able
to
make
a
pretty
good
sized
community
and
arts
center.
If
that's
your
desire
and
I
have
tried
to
explain
to
people
that
as
we
go
on
as
a
village,
that
we
will
have
things
that
get
interpreted
in
our
zoning
interpretations
with
ranch
and
Commercial
Ranch,
some
will
require
public
notice,
postings
hearings,
but
some
won't
and
so
I've
taken
the
position
that
whatever's
been
approved.
E
It
must
be
found
somewhere
in
the
zoning
to
be
interpreted
that
it.
It
is
a
community
and
arts
center
is
residential
and
I.
Think
that
tortures
residential
and
that
we
have
to
watch
the
intensities
that
we
attract
and
I
know
that
since
207
we
can
do
very
little
to
protect
ourselves.
But
I
think
you
will
hear
from
the
voices
of
others
about
this
issue,
because
while
this
couple
tried
to
do
the
right
thing
with
public
notice,
I
think
they
may
have
just
done
it
on
social
media
or
friends
of
friends.
E
Kind
of
thing,
I
I,
didn't
know
about
it
until
this
particular
ad
came
out
and
I'm
very
interested
in
it,
because
I
see
the
morphing
of
residential
into
soft
commercial
into
full-blown
commercial
into
educational
institutions
and
rehab
centers
and
left
right
and
Center.
That's
all
I
got
to
say
about
that.
Thank
you.
G
Good
evening
mayor
and
console
Anna
Marcelo
5929
East
Surrey
Drive,
the
owner
of
Harmony
Hollow,
has
a
Facebook
site
called
Harmony
Hollow
preserved
I'm,
quoting
from
his
exact
post.
His
own
words
thanks
to
the
town
of
Cave
Creek.
We
have
the
permit
for
harmony
Hollow
in
hand.
Now
we
can
begin
the
restoration
remodel
of
the
house
and
bring
to
Life
as
a
center
for
art,
education,
desert
awareness
and
learning.
G
I
commented
I
chose
to
comment,
and
these
are
my
words.
I
will
save
my
accolades
for
when
the
whole
process
is
revealed,
sounds
like
non-residential
uses
in
a
residential
area
is
being
proposed
without
following
due
process
of
rezoning,
a
center
for
art,
education,
desert
awareness
and
learning
contiguous
to
Spur
across
Conservation
Area.
That's
why
we
saved
it
to
prevent
all
those
types
of
activity.
What
will
that
entail?
Bringing
cars
pollution
lighting
to
us
for
a
crossroad,
residential
and
spur
cross
area
I
would
hope
our
town
officials
are
asking
some
hard
questions
before
permits
are
granted.
G
G
G
It
will
be
a
visitor
center
run
by
the
County
Museum
space,
a
300
seat,
Amphitheater
a
cafe,
equestrian
hiking
and
biking
trails
and
pull
through
parking
all
those
years
ago.
The
council
voted
six
to
one
to
table
it.
It's
been
tabled
all
these
years
that
type
of
a
presentation,
and
could
this
little
small
opening
in
this
window
could
this
is
this
with
the
gold
is
again
I'm.
Just
really
I
think
this
whole
process
stinks
and
the
public
should
be
made
aware
of
it
and
the
permits
should
never
have
been
issued
at
this
time.
Thank
you.
G
H
H
From
now
on,
so
I
just
wanted
to
let
you
know
there
will
be
more
enforcement.
There
was
a
particular
concern
recently
on
New
River
Road.
We've
deployed
that
vehicle
there
today
for
a
couple
of
hours
and
we'll
do
gather
the
data
through
the
speed,
monitor
the
trailer
over
the
next
couple
of
weeks
in
that
area,
and-
and
that
is
the
data
that
we
use
to
move.
H
H
H
All
of
those
properties
are
zoned
residential
d190.
and
only
residential
activity
can
occur
on
those
properties
and
Mr
Greenberg
understands
that
and
intends
to
do
that.
I
think
he
doesn't
just
the
wording
he's
used
has
caused
some
concern,
referring
to
the
permit
to
rehabilitate
the
dilapidated
house.
That's
out
there,
he
called
a
center
and
by
Center
the
permit
allows
him
only
to
do
Remodeling
on
the
footprint
of
the
existing
structure.
H
If
he's
not
growing
the
structure
by
any
means,
the
only
thing
they're
adding
is
a
porch
so
that
they
can
sit
there
and
look
at
the
beautiful
view
out
there.
So
it's
not
a
very
large
structure
and
by
Center
of
artists
working
there.
He
his
wife
is
an
artist
and
they
have
friends
that
are
artists,
that
they
would
like
to
share
that
with
as
private
property
owners,
and
they
are
envisioned
four
or
five
people
to
come
out
and
be
able
to
rotate
doing
their
art
in
a
nice
location
along
with
his
life.
H
They've
been
very
open
in
the
process
since
they
purchased
that
they've
had
four
different
public
meetings,
trying
to
gather
information
from
stakeholders
of
what
people
would
like
to
see
or
not
see,
and
and
then
intend
to
abide
by
that,
but
the
second
permit
that
they
applied
for
and
have
gotten
is
to
improve
their
driveway.
It's
been
neglected
for
many
years
and
it's
not
being
paved
that
I
know
of
I.
Think
it's
just
keep
to
be
able
to
grade
the
driveway
and
make
it
more
usable.
H
H
So
no
commercial
is
allowed
on
that
property.
No
public
facilities
in
terms
of
centers
or
public
uses
that
would
be
open
would
be
allowed
on
that
property
because
it's
residential
and
in
speaking
directly
with
Mr
Greenberg.
He
and
his
wife
have
no
intention
of
doing
that.
No
artist
would
be
renting
spaces.
They
would
simply
be
invited
as
guests
to
come
by
and
use
the
space.
H
H
They
are
simply
owners
of
private
property.
Who've
done
a
wonderful
thing
by
purchasing
this
and
trying
to
preserve
this
in
its
natural
state,
but
they
would
like
to
share
that,
and
so
as
private
property
owners,
they
can
invite
guests
to
their
property,
to
to
use
that
and
join
in.
You
know,
even
though
they're
not
living
there
full
time.
So
that's
all
I
have
to
report,
and
that
is
factual.
H
A
I
A
The
first
is
the
general
first
general
agenda
item.
Is
the
council
discussion
approval
a
second
reading
of
ordinance?
Oh
2023-02,
an
ordinance
of
the
mayor
Council,
the
town
of
Cave
Creek
Maricopa,
County
Arizona,
adding
chapter
112
of
title
Roman,
numeral
11,
entitled
short-term
rental,
public
health
and
safety
protections
to
the
town
of
Cave,
Creek
Town
code
establishing
an
effective
date
providing
for
repeal
and
separability
and
declared
to
be
a
public
record
by
resolution.
Number
r
2023-02.
A
And
it's
presented
with
a
town
of
Terryville
before
that,
I
would
like
to
just
summarize
where
we
are
in
this
process.
First
of
all,
regular
any
regulation
of
short-term
rentals
was
previously
forbidden
and
a
new
law
has
allowed
towns
to
to
now
regulate
them
within
that
state.
State
law,
cities
and
towns
across
Maricopa
County
are
enacting
very,
very
strict
codes
and
including
the
towns
around
us.
A
The
Cave
Creek
code
went
through
a
first
reading
two
meetings
ago,
at
which
time
there
were
a
number
of
issues
of
concern
that
have
been
investigated.
Additional
information.
A
lot
of
additional
information
has
arisen,
some
as
late
as
today,
and
we
have
explored
options
for
administering
this.
This
program,
presuming
it
is
in
fact
approved
which
brings
us
to
tonight
in
the
second
reading,
so
we
have
four
options:
we
can
approve
it,
we
can
modify
it,
we
can
delay
it
or
we
can
do
nothing,
we
can
kill
it,
so
everything
is
open.
A
This
is
how
democracy
works.
These
are
the
procedures
that
are
been
used
to
develop
new
code
and
processes,
time
immemorial
across
the
entire
country.
So,
there's
nothing
unusual
about
any
of
this
and
when
you
have
a
new
code,
that's
this
pervasive.
This
is
what
it
looks
like
this
is.
This
is
the
trying
to
balance
rights
of
One
Versus
rights
of
another,
and
the
key
is
at
least
for
me-
is
to
get
it
right
to
do.
J
Our
role
is
simply
to
provide
you
options.
I,
provided
you
options
at
the
last
meeting
and
we
had
a
spirited
conversation.
I
sincerely
thought
at
the
direction
of
staff
that
that's
where
you
wanted
to
go.
I
clearly
was
incorrect,
so
since
then
I've
tried
to
redraft
the
document
we've
and
for
the
public
we've
not
had
a
chance
to
discuss.
You
need
to
give
me
guidance
as
to
what
you
propose
to
do.
J
J
Testing
I
forget
the
name
for
that,
so
the
the
to
come
in
and
do
that
on
a
periodic
basis,
and
you
all
said
that
that's
probably
Overkill,
and
so
what
I
have
what
you
have
tonight
is
an
attempt
to
balance
to
come
to
you
with
a
more
balanced
recommendation,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
you
should
ask
questions
you
should
let
your
constituents
give
you
comments
and
then
you
get
to
make
the
call.
This
is
not
a
legal
call.
J
A
J
First,
you
raise
four
good
objectives:
there's
one
very
good
near-term
objective
and
that
is
getting
sales
tax,
and
so
what
this
does
is
it
authorizes
sales
tax?
Now,
in
doing
that,
Ben,
the
state
legislature
gave
you
tons
of
of
options,
some
of
which
are
really
very
difficult
to
implement.
For
example,
they
say
if
you
require
background
checks,
you
can
rely
on
the
national
National
Data
one
of
the
national
agencies,
but
they
don't
go
on
to
say.
How
are
you
going
to
do
the
background
check?
J
Are
you
going
to
do
it
on
every
guest?
What
do
you
do
when
someone
drives
up
to
a
short-term
rental
and
they
want
to
come
to
a
party?
They
won't
have
had
a
background
check,
but
technically
that's
what
the
statute
says,
and
so
your
clerk
did
a
very
good
job
of
canvassing.
It's
we've
come
to
you
with
a
recommendation
that
balances
the
the
potential
of
creating
background
checks
on
hundreds
of
people.
J
That
would
be
public
documents,
but
protecting
the
public
as
Allowed
by
Statute
and
in
effect,
letting
them
get
onto
a
database
and
then
confirm
to
you
that
the
the
person
that
the
persons
who
are
the
renters
are
not
are
not
sex.
Offenders.
I
can
tell
you.
I
was
at
a
conference
of
all
the
city
and
town
attorneys.
Last
week.
There's
there's
no
way
you
can
do
a
background
check
on
every
guest,
and
so
my
point
is
we
have
to
balance
what
you
want
to
do.
J
So,
let's
just
walk
through
I'll
walk
through
my
page
and
I
know
we
have
different
pages
so
I'll
do
it
by
section
number,
but
I
won't
go
I
won't
I'll
hit
the
high
points
this
at
the
last
session.
There
was
concern
about
the
magnitude
of
fines.
You
will
see
that
on
the
first
page,
I
took
out
one
of
the
thousand
dollar
fines,
but
there's
still
a
thousand
dollar
fine
if
they
don't
apply
the
reason.
J
Other
governments
are
doing
that
because
many
of
these
National
organizations
that's
around
here,
they're
willing
to
pay
you
a
thousand
dollars
just
to
generate
the
income,
and
so
I
do
think.
So
there
was
some
concern
at
the
last
session
about
the
magnitude
of
the
fines.
What
we're
proposing
is
is
is
what's
Allowed
by
statutes
and
that's
what
other
governments
are
doing
and
we'll
get
into
that.
J
It
does
require
a
license
which
you
don't
have
that
now
a
license
gives
you
the
ability
to
make
sure
you
don't
have
sex
offenders
coming
in
and
they
have
to
attest
they're,
not
a
sex
offender,
to
make
sure
that
they
have
a
sales
tax
license
to
make
sure
that
they
have
a
business
license
to
make
sure
that
they
sign
a
document
that
says
they
will
honor
all
the
obligations
of
the
town.
So
that's
what
a
license
does
for
you
and
it's
a
good
thing.
That's
I
won't
go.
J
Is
you
suspend
there
right
for
a
year
that
that
really,
if
we
have
and
these
buying
buying
residences,
and
then
they
can't
rent
it
for
a
year
and
their
own,
that
that
will
help
dry
it
up?
So
the
one
utility
of
of
the
way
we
fashion
these
remedies
is
that
penalties
are
good,
but
suspension
is
even
better.
J
This
is
the
one
that
your
clerk
found.
This
is,
this
is
what
it
says
is
you
can
have
violations
and
the
the
the
the
terms
are
defined
in
statute
and
what
one
violation
is
an
owner
of
the
short-term
intentionally
houses,
a
sex
offender
I'm,
not
sure
how
you're
going
to
get
into
the
mind
of
of
an
owner.
J
It
sets
out
a
list,
and
these
are
in
the
Statue,
because
what
they've
done
is
the
mayor.
You
said
it
well
because
I
actually
was
at
the
cusp
I'm,
the
town
of
attorney
in
Jerome
and
the
Goldwater
Institute
came
after
us
because
we
were
operating
under
the
original
statute,
which
was
terrible
and
what
it
says
is,
and
this
this
statute
says
a
town
may
not
prohibit,
but
we
can
regulate.
This
gives
us
the
ability
to
regulate
absent.
J
I
know
the
clerk
has
received
numerous
concerns
by
citizens
in
town,
worried
that
in
an
HOA,
that's
somehow
adopting
this
ordinance
would
deny
HOAs
the
ability
to
control
the
real
property
rights
of
the
members
of
their
HOA.
It
does
not.
This
statute
only
allows
a
city
or
town
to
prohibit
only
regulates
the
city
or
town,
it
doesn't
regulate
HOA.
You
have
HOAs,
I,
suspect
HOAs.
In
many
cases
require
that
cars
not
be
parked
on
the
street.
Well
guess
what
that's
not
a
state
statute?
That's
not
a
town
statute.
J
J
One
of
the
concerns
that
throughout
the
state
is
responding
to
party
houses
and
emergencies,
so
this
has
a
fairly
fairly
tough
if
they
have
to
have
a
designee
who
has
to
respond
in
24
hours.
A
failure
to
respond
can
be
one
of
the
violations
that
could
cause
the
owner
to
lose
his
or
her
right
to
have
a
short-term
rental.
J
You
all
were
concerned,
I
had
included
because
the
state
the
the
league
had
a
provision
for
for
for
for
for
insurance,
almost
every
I
took
it
out
because
you
asked
me
to
take
it
out.
We
don't
require
that
when
we,
when
we
approve
Zoning
for
other
matters,
but
other
other
cities
and
towns
do
require
the
insurance
but
I,
but
I
I
did
take
it
out.
J
At
the
last
meeting,
there
were
a
variety
of
requests
about
things
coming
up.
I
listened
to
some,
but
not
all.
For
example,
I
I
left
in
I
left
in
the
smoke
alarm,
I've
added
fire
exterior
fire
extinguishers,
that's
allowed
by
that's
allowed
and
I
say
that's
allowed.
This
has
been
heavily
heavily
back
Jerome,
we
lost
our,
we
lost
our
everything.
I
mean
Goldwater,
just
ate
us
up,
because
the
LA,
the
statue
didn't
help
us.
J
We
then
had
a
variety
of
statutes
that
got
better
over
about
four
sequences,
the
best
being
in
2022.,
and
so
fellow
City
and
town
attorneys
have
adopted
ordinances,
implementing
the
adopted
codes,
implementing
the
the
the
ordinance
the
AG
blessed
it.
What
I
gave
you
was
blessed
by
the
AG.
The
AG
had
some
concerns,
or
this
one
jurisdiction.
K
J
The
the
owner
to
actually
visually
interview,
all
of
the
the
persons
who
would
rent
their
and
and
the
AG
said
that
isn't
in
the
code,
they
shouldn't
have
to
do
it.
The
the
the
owner
wanted
to
to
sorry
this
jurisdiction
wanted
to
publish
on
the
website
the
profiles
of
of
of
of
of
of
the
of
the
persons
who
were
who
were
renting
and
the
AG
said
that
wasn't
in
the
statute,
so
the
point
being
what
I've
given
you
stands
the
acid
test
of
almost
10
years
of
legislation.
J
It
is
then
based
on
an
AG
opinion
that
really
affirms
everything
that
I
gave
you,
and
so
that's
why
I
gave
it
to
you,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
you
get
to
make
the
call
not
me.
You
all
were
concerned
that
the
code
I
presented
you
last
week
a
month
ago
was
too
complicated
and
burdensome
I
had
a
notice
provision
that
was
in
in
the
code
and
you
all
said,
that's
too
much,
there's
an
easy
there's.
J
An
easier
solution,
thanks
to
your
managers
and
Luke,
are
quite
good
at
giving
me
Guidance
with
adult
supervision.
Is
we
can
take
that
notice
out
and
just
put
it
in
the
application?
So
we
accomplished
the
same
thing
without
burdening
your
code,
but
still
making
sure
and
making
sure
that
all
the
notice
Provisions
that
we're
in,
for
example,
another
what
it
says
is
it
makes
the
it
makes
the
owner
sign
a
document
that
says
everything
that
they
can't
operate.
J
I
think
the
manager
is
suggesting,
because
it's
going
to
take
so
long
that
the
ordinance
when
we
approve
it
whatever
the
late
orders,
were
you
okay,
with
90
days
or
yeah
90
days,
so
that
we
can
get
the
application
in
place
and
make
sure
that
everybody
is
aware.
So
this
tonight
you're
just
approving
the
text
it
would
be,
it
would
be
a
text
that
would
be
documented
as
a
public
record
so
that
we
then
can
approve
an
ordinance.
Then
we
would
delay
the
ordinance
for
90
days.
That's
not
on
the
agenda
for
tonight.
J
I
I
took
out
the
sex
offender
background
checks
that
you
all
had
concerns
about.
That
I
have
concerns
as
well.
It's
required
it's
allowed
by
the
statute
some
jurisdictions.
Do
it
your
sister
jurisdiction
next
door
does
an
easy
way
to
do
that
is,
is
to
make
make
the
applicant.
Do
the
background
check,
make
the
applicant
document
that
and
if
indeed
there's
a
problem,
then
you
you
would
say,
show
us
show
us
your
your
background
check
and
if
they
didn't
have
it,
then
they
would
be
liable
as
well,
but
I
took
that
out.
J
J
I,
don't
follow
directions?
Well,
I!
Truly,
think
that
is
that's.
What
Luke
does
the
best?
The
best
part
about
land
use
entitlement
is
not
going
before
a
hearing
officer
is
not
going
before
the
town
attorney
is
not
going
before
the
Magistrate
it's
sitting
down
and
forcing
neighbors
to
talk
to
each
other,
and
the
statute
is
good
and
that
it
requires
the
short-term
operator
to
talk
to
his
or
her
neighbors.
So
I
left
that
in
so
that
we
could
have
that
notification.
Have
that
dialogue
to
try
to
reduce
tensions
and.
M
H
B
Excuse
me
sorry,
so
it's
a
database
service,
but
they
would
be
able
to
do
the
identification
of
the
properties,
and
then
we
did
talk
to
them
about
being
able
to
put
them.
The
map.
Scottsdale
has
something
similar
where
they
can
do
a
a
map
and
list
the
locations
with
the
town.
So
that
is
what
we're
working
towards
councilman.
J
Robert
and
that's
a
very
good
what
Teresa
just
said
is
a
key
point:
I,
don't
think
you
have
the
staff
to
implement
this
ordinance
and
it
is
very,
very
complex
what
other
governments
are
doing,
they're
using
the
fees
and
the
fines
to
pay
for
for
a
firm
to
do
what
you
just
asked
about
that
way.
They
can
go
out
and
notify
the
owners
they
can
go
out
and
track
down
who's,
running
out
their
short-term,
short-term
rental.
They
can
go
out
and
make
sure
there's
now
they
won't
be
the
they
won't
be.
J
The
enforcement
that'll
have
to
come
to
the
manager
and
me
and
the
hearing
officer,
but
they
will
be
the
one
doing
the
factual
doing
the
factual
research
to
answer
your
questions
and
what
other
governments
are
doing
and
and
these
these
firms
have
they
see
they
see
the
writing
on
the
wall.
They
see
what
the
legislature
did
and
they
know
that
local
government-
it's
hard,
pressed
to
do
all
that
and
so
they're
developing
packages.
Theresa
you've
talked
to
at
least
two.
Is
that
correct.
J
The
if
the
the
tonight
would
be
to
get
guidance
from
you,
if,
indeed
I've
missed
the
Mark
again
I
will
listen
to
you
and
try
to
come
back
again
at
that.
At
that
point
we
can
be.
We
can
come
back
with
recommendation
if,
indeed,
we're
leaning
towards
adopting
an
ordinance
and
I
strongly
believe
you
should
adopt
an
ordinance
for
one
of
the
tax
and
two
to
regulate
what
you
can.
J
If
you
do
nothing,
you
won't
regulate
at
all
and
you
won't
have
the
tax
and
so
we'll
get
guidance
tonight,
and
if
we've
missed
the
Mark
again
we'll
come
back
again,
but
in
the
meantime
we
will
develop
options
for
for
the
the
vendors
implement
it
so
that
you
can
discharge
your
duties
to
the
constituents.
Mr.
M
Chairman
this
is
a
follow-up
I
appreciate.
All
of
that.
I
wasn't
really
asking
about
necessarily
the
enforcement
party
or
the
contractual
relationship
with
outside
enforcement,
but
it's
pretty
fascinating
to
hear
I
just
I'm
just
still
trying
to
ascertain
so
going
forward
subsequent
to
the
approval
of
language
and
the
subsequent
ordinance
and
so
forth.
An
individual
in
the
community
would
be
able
to
go
to
the
website
and
look
to
see
where
currently
licensed
facilities
would
be
for
short-term
rentals.
M
C
C
J
Oh
yeah
I
mean
that
that
is,
that
is
what
the
statute's
about
is
is
is
well
but
differently.
I'm,
sorry
yeah.
We
are
going
to
require
smoke,
smoke,
detectors
and
fire
alarms,
fire
extinguishers,
but
other
than
that
they
want
to
make
sure
that
this
is
just.
This
is
like
at
least
just
like
next
door,
but
next
door,
the
long-term
lease
rental
tax.
These
will
pay
rental
taxes.
J
I
can
but
it's
already
in
the
statute.
I
mean
where
yeah
section
9-500.39,
paragraph
l
three
means
any
individually
or
collectively
owned
single
family
or
one
to
four
family
house
or
dwelling
units.
That
is
also
a
transient
public
establishment
or
an
owner-occupied
house.
What
they're
saying
is
it
can
be
the
owner
occupied
off
the
mom
and
PAW
house,
or
it
can
be
houses
bought
up
by
the
large
consortiums.
The
reason
we
don't
want
to,
we
don't
want
to
put
the
actual
definition
in
in
the
code.
J
C
Statutes
somewhere,
we
need
to.
We
need
to
put
into
our
code
here's
what
we
Define
here's,
what
Cave
Creek
defines
those
commercial
rental,
here's
what
we
Define
as
a
long-term
rental,
here's,
what
we
Define
as
a
short-term
rental
I!
Just
don't
think
it's
I!
Maybe
it
doesn't
belong
in
here,
but
it
should
be
referenced
back
to
it.
We.
C
Or
two
yes
or
the
State
of
Arizona,
so
the
other
thing
that
I
was
I
had
mentioned
to
the
clerk
before.
If
you
take
a
look
at
a
good
website,
it's
Fountain
Hills.
They
have
everything
where
you
can
pop
it
up
in
one
thing
and
I've
asked
Brian
if
he
would
do
that
if
Teresa
was
okay
with
that,
just
to
kind
of
show
you
an
example,
could
you
slide
or
scroll
down
so
it
defines
on
their
website?
If
you
go
down
a
little
bit
further,
it's
got
the
long-term
residential.
C
C
C
C
Well,
I,
actually
I
do
have
a
comment
so
Bill
listening
to
you,
I
hear
a
list
of
I
guess
I'm
going
to
call
it
fine-tuning
that
we
really
need
to
do
here
and
I
hesitate
to
just
jump
forward
with
the
language
that
we're
looking
at
the
whole
issue
of
the
definition
of
short
term
and
I.
Understand
what
you
just
said
about
the
but
I.
Think
I'd
really
like
to
see
us
get
our
ducks
in
a
row
and
have
this
cleaned
up
before
we
make
a
decision
about
it.
You're.
J
But
I
think
the
point:
what
I
was
thinking
the
code
I've
given
you
is
generally
what
almost
every
other
jurisdiction
is
doing.
The
thing
and
I
have
the
Fountain
Hills
much
of
what
they
are
doing
can
easily
put
in
the
application.
I
mean
you
can
put
the
application
online
and
streamline
their
ability
to
the
GPT
that
doesn't
need
to
be
in
your
town
code.
It
could
be
in
the
application,
but.
J
Those
agrees
so
that's,
my
point
is
simply
the
way
other
government,
most
almost
every
other
government,
does.
It
leaves
the
mechanical
part
to
the
application
and
follows
the
league
model
for
the
ordinance
itself
so
that
we
do
we
reduce
the
number
of
times.
We
have
to
modify
the
ordinance,
but
I
can
do
whatever
you
want.
A
So
I
I
tend
to
share
council
member
Alchemist
view
that
we've
got
some
more
work
to
do
before.
We
finalize
this
thing
and
it's
gotten
a
little
bit
more
complicated,
because
I
think
that
the
looking
at
the
nuisance
codes
ought
to
be
in
parallel
with
this,
and
that
this
code
should
reference
those
nuisance
codes
as
the
standard
of
conduct.
A
That
will
not
be
tolerated,
because
this
only
applies
to
a
few
hundred
homes
in
town,
whereas
a
nuisance
code
applies
across
the
town,
and
this
ought
to
be
something
that
is
consistent
across
the
town,
those
standards
of
behavior
that
that
we
should
expect
and
they're
expected
across
the
country.
Mr.
J
Mayor,
you
raised
a
good
point.
If
you
look
and
I
won't,
give
you
page
numbers
it's
section
112.14.
This
is
taken
directly
from
the
league
model.
It's
in
every
other
code
that
I've
seen
this
would
have
the
effect
of
accomplishing
what
you
want
if
your
nuisance
code
was
acceptable,
but
that
this
this
kicks
you
to
the
rest
of
the
code,
so
you've
got
to
decide,
but
it
talks
out.
J
It
says:
public
health,
safety,
sanitation,
Solid,
Waste,
hazardous
waste,
tax,
privilege,
residential
rental
property,
the
point
about
running
traffic
control,
pollution,
noise,
Property,
Maintenance
and
nuisance
abatement.
That's
all
in
your!
Would
you
if
you
were
to
approve
this
tonight,
it's
there,
then
the
question
becomes:
do
you
have
enough
teeth
in
the
rest
of
your
code
and
that's
your
point.
Mr
Mayor
I
think.
A
C
J
C
Violation,
but
don't
in
the
nuisance
code,
wouldn't
you
have
a
fine
for
somebody
doing
X
or
somebody
doing
y,
but
I
suspect
it's
like
fifty
dollars
versus
three
thousand
well.
But
if
you
change
the
nuisance
code
to
what
what
so
everybody
in
town,
not
just
the
short-term
rentals
has
to
do
the
same
thing:
novel
concept,
we
treat
everybody
the.
F
A
C
L
A
There
would
be
a
phone
call
made
a
complaint
and
the
owner,
or
the
owner's
representative
has
one
hour
to
respond
to
that
complaint.
To
me,
that
is
one
of
the
key.
Probably
the
key
Enforcement
issue
here
is
that
the
the
owner
or
the
owner's
representative
has
got
to
be
responsive
to
problems
at
a
rental
that
they
are
that
they
have
in
a
residential
area.
C
N
M
Mr
chair,
yes,
so
I'd
like
to
talk
more
about
your
concept
because
I
support
it,
and
can
you
make
it
is
it?
Is
it
realistic
to
ask
the
staff
if
a
review
of
the
nurses
ordinance
could
be
completed
by
the
next
time
that
this
is
considered
by
the
council?
Or
could
it
be?
Could
your
language
that
you're
suggesting
could
that
review
process
be
completed
and
brought
back
to
a
soon
meeting?
M
Maybe
not
the
next
one,
but
the
one
after
which
I
think
you'll
explain
would
trigger
before
the
90-day
ordinance
Creation,
in
other
words,
it'd
still
be
a
Hiatus
between
whatever
this
is
approved
and
the
ordinance
is
brought
back
for
consideration
by
the
council.
So
what
I'm
suggesting
is,
if
it's
realistic
for
the
staff
to
do
that
review
and
produce
it,
it
would
be
I
think
it's
it's
a
quality
effort
on
top
of
what
we
just
had
this
evening
for
the
reasons
that
you
explained
so
but
I
don't
want
to
be
unrealistic
with
suggesting
something
I.
A
H
Mayor
council
members
I
think
it
would
be
realistic
to
bring
an
ordinance
in
in
draft
form
for
discussion
within
that
90-day
period
for
Council
discussion
and
approval
of
updates
to
the
nuisance
ordinance.
But
if
you
want
the
nuisance,
ordinance
written
and
ready
to
be
approved
before
you're
approving
the
short-term
rental
ordinance,
it's
going
to
delay
the
short-term.
A
C
C
We
haven't,
we
had
a
list
that
we
were
discussing
here
like
things
like
the
definition
and
I
heard
Bill
say
that
you
know
we
can
refer
to
the
factory
to
the
state's
document,
but
we're
also
looking
at
Insurance
questions.
I.
Think
I
didn't
hear
a
solution
to
that
one.
How
does
all
that
background
checks,
stuff
work?
And
there
was
a
lot
of
language
about
that
I'm,
not
clear
on
where
we
went
with
that,
sir
and
then
just
in
terms
of
Staff
capacity
to
gather
all
this
stuff
for
us.
H
B
They
can
provide
us
the
the
database,
the
portal
that
the
members
are
owners
of
the
vacation
rentals
can
go
in
and
apply.
We
review
it
on
our
end
before
we
approve
them
and
then
they'll
have
their
license
all
that
information,
and
then
we
will
work
to
get
it
on
our
website
as
well.
It'll
be
just
basic
contact,
information
for
the
owner
or
the
owner's
representative.
B
A
You
yeah
the
way,
I
see
the
time
a
possible
timeline
would
be.
Let's
say
we
could
have
the
short-term
rental
ordinance
ready
for
adoption
in
30
days,
and
we
adopted
we
could
put
in
there
by
reference.
The
code
for
the
nuisance
laws
produces
code
and
then
there
is
would
be
a
90-day
implementation
period.
Is
what
I
understand
from
you
that
it
takes
about
90
days?
We
have
30
days,
and
then
we
have
to
get
contractors
notices,
sign,
ups
applications,
Etc
it'll.
A
A
M
M
A
So
we
have
a
lot
of
people.
I
think
probably
want
to
talk
about
this,
and
we
have
more
information
to
gather
from
the
public
so
that
we
make
sure
at
this
meeting
we
hope
to
come
out
with
all
of
the
information.
We
need
to
finally
put
this
thing
in
the
bed
and
roll
this
process
down
the
line.
So
with
that,
if
there
are
no
more
questions
from
Council,
if
staff
has
anything
else
to
add,
let's
go
to
public
comment
on
this
stuff.
O
Honorable
mayor
council,
members,
great
people,
okay,
Creek,
the
town
of
cake,
Creek,
is
quality
place
to
live,
work,
operated
boss
business
and
enjoy
life
as
residents
of
the
town.
This
is
how
we
want
to
keep
it
right:
The,
Firm,
Bedrock
or
all
the
building.
All
this
building
and
the
base
of
the
profitability
or
local
businesses
are
the
residents
people
who
care
about
this
community
day
in
and
day
out.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
they
are
happy.
O
The
town
is
well
known
for
its
beautiful
nature,
mountains,
cultures,
shopping,
dining
and
entertainment.
All
local
businesses
have
done
an
exceptional
job,
making
the
district
attractive.
It's
raw
Western,
flavor,
keeping
it
a
safe
destination
for
people
from
all
over
Arizona
and
Beyond.
To
visit
this
there's
a
secret
reason
for
why
things
are
so
well
here,
there's
a
reason
why
the
town
is
safe
and
it
is
not
trashed
there's
a
reason
why
the
town
doesn't
have
people
loitering
around
intoxicated
at
late
nights.
O
O
Thus
the
salt,
wind
and
coyotes
can
be
heard.
That
is
how
we
want
to
keep
it
right.
A
secret
reason
for
this
things
being
so
well
is
this
the
town
of
Cape
Grace?
Is
a
destination
people
come
here,
they
do
their
shopping,
they
enjoy
our
great
restaurants,
they
enjoy
entertainment
and
they
drive
back
to
their
homes
or
lodging
wherever
it
may
be.
They
come
here
to
enjoy
themselves
for
a
day
or
for
an
evening.
They
don't
party,
24,
7,
disturbing
the
residents
during
the
late
night
hours.
O
No,
they
go
home
as
good
visitors
should
always
do.
They
are
happy
and
they
will
come
back.
They
are
different
than
short-term
renters.
The
short-term
renters
would
stay
here
for
a
weekend
for
a
week
or
a
week
to
party.
They
should
not
spend
their
money
in
restaurant.
They
should
not
spend
their
money
in
restaurants,
but
read
the
party
in
their
rental
units,
24
7..
We
don't
want
to
be
24
7
party
time,
honorable
Board
of
Trustees
I
would
like
you
to
add
to
this
proposal
a
item,
maybe
in
112.06
on
a
an
item.
O
Seven
that
the
short-term
rental
or
they
would
have
dwelling
unit,
does
not
comply
with
the
registered
HOA
declaration
or
any
other
deed
restrictions,
so
that
there
would
be
a
point
there.
That
a
clerk
would
check
that
if,
if
that
rental
or
that
unit
doesn't
comply
with
the
deed
restrictions
or
HOA
rules,
it
would
be
denied.
L
J
I'm
looking
at
the
statute,
the
problem
is,
this
statute
was
heavily
negotiated
and
we
would
then
be.
You
would
be
then
enforcing
a
private
contractual
right
between
the
HOA
and
its
members
and
I.
Don't
know
if
you've
ever
done,
that
I
mean
you
I.
Think
U.S
policymakers
have
the
right
to
tell
me
to
put
it
in,
but
then
I
think
you're
heading
down
a
slippery
slope.
When
are
you
going
to
be
now
be
policing
up
people
who
Park
on
HOA
streets?
But
if
it's
your
call
I
mean.
N
N
P
I
I
I
I
I
Okay,
there's
noise,
who
do
I
call
and
is
that
person
that
I'm
calling
would
that
person
be
the
person
that
would
identify
where
we
have
a
verified
information
or
a
violation
or
not
I,
don't
know,
but
that's
one
of
my
comments
and
I
don't
know,
maybe
the
council
answered
these
later,
but
we
don't
have
many
defined
terms
from
a
legal
standpoint
in
this
document.
In
my
humble
opinion,
the
next
item
is
one
one.
Two
point
one
for
one:
four
and
Page
34
denotes
that
a
rental
property
must
comply
with
no
liberals
and
regulations.
I
Again.
Who
do
we
report
to
on
this?
Is
it
the
police
to
Mr
Stein?
Is
our
Towing's
lawyer?
Who
do
we
call
I,
can
assure
you
calling
the
Airbnb
owners
Avant
that
does
nothing.
I
have
never
heard
a
response
from
them.
Never
never
gone
out
and
shut
down
any
of
the
properties
or
caused
anything.
The
only
good
has
come
in
many
cases
by
contacting
the
Sheriff's
Department
and
they
go
out
there.
They
don't
write
up
violations
or
anything
like
that.
I
There
are
no
threats
that
I'm
aware
of
made
about
shutting
down
the
property
they
go
out.
There
make
it
quiet
for
part
of
the
night
and
that's
it.
We
know
we
need
to
know
who
to
call
and
if
we
call
them
does
that
count
as
a
verified
notification
or
not,
and
that's
not
clear
to
me
in
the
language
of
this
document.
K
J
That
means
the
finding
of
guilt
or
civil
responsibility
related
to
any
of
any
of
the
before
going,
and
so
it's
a
tough
it's
a
tough,
it's
a
tough
one,
but
the
way
you're
going
to
control
is
it
would
be
a
violation
of
of
this
code
and
then
leading
towards
suspension
as
opposed
to
the
up
close
to
the
fine.
So
the
Big
Goal
here
I
mean
we
will
do
the
phones,
I
mean.
J
I
J
J
I
J
B
B
L
A
A
Still
don't
know
how
to
we're
not
perfect,
but
we'll
try
to
do
our
best
to
have
something
that
will
protect
residences
and
be
fair
to
the
short-term
rental
owners.
Also,
we
understand
your
your
concerns
and
we'll
have
more
meetings
on
this.
So
you'll
have
more
chances
to
take
a
look
at
this,
as
as
we
progress,
okay.
I
Roads,
I,
don't
think
it's
practical
to
try
and
penalize
the
people
there
other
than
throwing
them
out
because
you'll
never
get
a
hold
of
them.
I
mean
last
week,
two
nights,
two
three
in
the
morning
they're
up
there
partying
drunk
as
a
skunk
screaming
and
yelling
tomorrow,
they're
out
of
town
in
California,
wherever
I,
don't
know
how
you
can
do
that.
Thank.
D
Q
Mayor
council
I
am
here
in
the
hope,
I'm
sorry,
Janine,
Maxwell
I
live
at
38051,
North,
El,
Indio,
Circle
I
live
right
here
at
Rancho
Manana
behind
here,
I
am
here
in
the
hopes
of
getting
help
dealing
with
the
short-term
rental
next
door.
For
four
years
now,
myself,
along
with
my
children,
have
been
exposed
weekly
to
loud
parties,
blasting
music,
profanity
strippers,
inappropriate
behavior
from
the
party
house.
We
have
next
door.
My
kids
cannot
use
our
pool
or
play
outside
while
the
party
house
is
rented.
How
is
that
fair
to
my
family?
Q
Why
does
this
out
of
town
owner
have
all
the
rights
but
I
have
none?
I
cannot
enjoy
my
property.
24
people
can
stay
at
this
house
with
the
majority
of
guests
being
men
for
bachelor
parties.
I
do
not
wish
our
living
situation
on
anyone
in
this
room.
This
party
house
is
owned
by
an
out
of
town
LLC
and
is
managed
by
a
california-based
management
company
that
manages
hundreds
of
homes
all
over
the
U.S.
Q
Q
There
has
been
no
one
to
turn
to
for
help
when
we
call
the
police,
the
deputies
tell
us.
There
is
no
noise
ordinance
in
Cave
Creek
twin
for
us
before
10
pm,
the
deputies
have
not
written
one
noise
citation,
no
matter
how
late
they
are
called.
In
the
four
years
this
house
has
been
in
operation,
not
one
I
have
been
sent
several
decent
assists
by
this
management
company
for
calling
the
police
for
loud
parties
at
night,
accusing
me
of
lying
and
being
a
spiteful
neighbor.
Q
Drunk
men
have
yelled
at
my
children
playing
basketball
on
several
occasions.
I
have
been
catcalled,
while
laying
by
my
pool
more
times
than
I
can
count
in
my
bathing
suit.
I
am
not
against
short-term
rentals
I.
Don't
think
any
of
my
neighbors
here
are
I
use
short-term
rentals,
but
there
has
to
be
a
way
to
protect
Neighbors
From,
the
bad
apples
in
this
industry.
I'm
answering
this
Council
to
please
help
us
get
these
party
houses
under
control.
Most
of
the
towns
around
us
have
started
enforcing
their
own
short-term
rental
regulations.
Q
What
happens
if
Cave
Creek
is
the
only
town
with
no
enforcement?
We
will
be
inundated
with
these
rentals,
like
Old
Town,
I
love
living
here.
I'm
active
in
my
community
and
I
would
like
some
protection
for
my
town.
Thank
you
for
hearing
my
side
of
the
story
and
I
would
like
to
address
you
as
I,
send
all
my
videos
to
Airbnb
and
vrbl.
They
will
suspend
the
property
for
three
to
four
days
and
then
it's
re-listed.
So
if.
Q
R
P
P
I
would
guess
that
homeowners
like
me,
are
underrepresented
at
these
meetings
in
comparison
to
professional
investors.
Last
Friday
night
I
dropped
my
wife
in
an
out-of-town
guest
off
at
Buffalo
Chip
to
watch
the
bull
riding,
what
a
sight
lots
of
fun
drinking
Rowdy
Behavior
with
party
buses
dropping
off
people
by
the
dozens.
P
Now,
if
I
told
you,
I
was
building
a
home
100
feet
from
the
Buffalo
Chip
Arena
you'd
call
me
crazy,
you'd,
say
Swain
heart,
that's
no
Blaze
for
a
bedroom.
It's
not
zoned
for
that,
and
you
would
be
right
but
come
closing
time.
The
party
is
not
over
it.
Just
moves
on
in
this
case
to
the
party
house
right
behind
me.
Then
the
party
continues
until
everyone
passes
out
sometime
before
Daybreak
party
house,
you
say
sway,
not
you're,
exaggerating
well,
to
which
I
would
reply.
P
This
home
is
an
unlicensed
adult-only,
Zone
managed
by
a
large
firm
with
no
local
Representatives,
no
incentive
nor
means
to
regulate
the
behavior
of
their
guests.
We
had
no
idea
what
we
were
in
for
when
we
moved
here
and
have
spent
a
lot
of
money.
Soundproofing
our
home
during
the
construction
contractors
actually
complained
and
objected
to
the
vulgar
profanities
they
had
to
listen
to
during
the
daylight
hours
coming
from
right
behind
our
home.
P
P
For
30
days
to
those
investors
who
say
they
have
to
have
short-term
rentals
to
make
a
profit,
I
say:
let's
sell
the
trailer
park
in
town
and
put
the
party
houses
there
Zone
that
area
for
all
the
adult
Behavior
you
want
just
keep
it
out
of
our
neighborhoods
failure
to
implement
a
social.
A
solution
to
this
problem
will
allow
Carefree
to
push
their
short-term
rental
problems
into
Cave,
Creek,
neighborhoods,
Cave,
Creek,
Prides
itself
on
local
restaurants
and
local
retail.
T
My
name
is
6636
East,
Arroyo,
Road
I.
Think
some
of
my
my
residents
here
have
done
a
marvelous
job
of
pointing
out
the
the
spotlights
that
you
guys
don't
see
that
happen
every
night.
It
really
comes
down
to
noise,
garbage
parking
traffic
and
who
do
we
call
I
think
those
are
the
from
a
homeowner's
standpoint.
T
Those
are
the
things
that
I'm
concerned
about
and
I
think
that
are
the
practical
things
we
run
into
I'm,
very
supportive
of
the
the
ordinance
I'm
supportive
of
a
ordinance
that
is
at
least
as
regulatory
in
nature
as
any
of
the
towns
around
us.
I.
Think
the
point
that,
if,
if
we
have
something
softer,
it's
only
going
to
come
back
to
bite
us
I'm,
very
supportive
of
the
conversation
that
happened
a
bit
earlier,
where
we
try
to
in
parallel
get
this
ordinance
in
place.
T
A
R
R
R
R
U
S
My
name
is
Sandy
cut.
No
excuse
me
address
38035,
North,
lock
and
Noah
Drive
first
I'd
just
like
to
thank
thank
the
council.
I
truly
do
believe
that
over
the
last
course
of
the
last
three
months,
you
have
stepped
up
and
realized
just
how
serious
and
compassionate
we
are
about
this
issue.
It
clearly
affects
our
daily
lives
and
the
fact
that
we
all
believe
living
in
Cave
Creek
is
a
blessing
and
we
want
to
keep
it
that
way.
I
know,
there's
a
lot
of
details.
S
I
also
just
want
to
ask:
don't
try
to
make
all
the
details
so
perfect
that
we
never
get
to
the
end
zone.
You
can
always
make
Minor
Adjustments
over
time
if
things
aren't
perfect,
but
we
need
the
tools
and
the
tool
chest
to
try
to
gain
our
neighborhoods
back
and
get
the
Tranquility
back
and
the
environment
that
we
all
want
for
our
families.
So
with
that
I
say.
Thank
you.
Thank.
I
B
L
V
Mayor
vice
mayor
in
the
sky
or
later
on,
the
audio
and
council
members,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
reading
each
and
every
word
of
draft
number.
Two
of
this
proposal
as
I
have
again
and
again
and
again,
I've
spent
many
many
hours
on
it.
I
hope
that
you've
gone
back
and
read
the
original
Senate
bill,
which
gives
the
authorization
for
the
municipality
to
act
in
a
very
narrow
framework.
V
I'm
sure
you've
gone
back
and
read
the
attached
statutes
that
are
that
are
referenced
this
one
and
this
one,
and
this
one
and
some
others
when
this
came
out
on
the
agenda,
I
felt
great.
Let's
see
draft
number
two,
let's
see
those
changes
that
were
suggested.
Let's
get
some
relief
for
these
people.
These
people
need
relief.
We
all
agree.
V
L
V
And
as
for
the
state
statute,
it
refers
to
transitory
lodging,
that's
great
nowhere
in
the
Cave
Creek
proposal.
Does
it
say
one
word
that
short-term
rental
is
in
any
way
equivalent
to
transitory
lodging
which,
by
the
way,
if
you
read
the
definition,
it's
not
the
units
that
you
have
in
mind
to
give
these
people
relief.
So,
unfortunately,
they're
going
to
be
very
disappointed.
This
and
power
proposal
needs
to
be
cleaned
up.
It
needs
to
be
instantly
more
practical
details,
yes
and
The.
Details
Matter
tremendously,
I,
hope.
V
V
V
There's
a
daisy
chain
of
definitions,
it's
completely
unreasonable
expect
the
average
Creek
or
housing
provider
to
try
to
figure
out
what
the
heck
these
bills
say.
It
is
there
a
wildly
conflicting
sections:
there
are
illegal
sections.
We
are
not
entirely
following
the
state
law.
As
I
pointed
out
my
emails,
yellow
light
fines
or
guidelines,
they
are
not
mandates.
The
appeals
section
is
especially
troubling.
People
have
no
right
to
see
their
accusers.
They
have
no
penalties
for
false
accusations
or
frivolous
accusations.
V
The
language
seems
to
call
for
suspension
of
business
before
a
hearing
that
can
be
one
year.
It
could
be
two
years
as
a
practical
matter
if
you
read
that
closely
by
the
way,
the
sex
offender
registry.
Don't
hang
your
hopes
on
that,
while
it's
a
wonderful
thing,
I
put
the
names
of
our
council
members
in
the
sex
offender
registry
I
had
hits
on
five
of
our
council
members,
I'm
sure
they're
great
people,
it's
because
people
use
aliases
I
entered
this
address
at
Town
Hall.
V
We
have
11
registered
sex
offenders
sleeping
within
three
miles
of
town
hall
tonight.
Are
there
people
in
Rancho
Manana
threatened
because
we
have
11
sex
offenders
right
here?
It's
not
going
to
get
you
where
you
want
to
go.
Think
very
carefully
about
these
details.
Other
towns
managed
to
do
this
in
one
or
two
pages:
the
page
of
definitions,
a
page
of.
What's
expected
of
housing
providers,
they're
getting
compliance,
we're
not
going
to
get
them.
They
got
compliance
part
because
they
went
and
they
talked
to
stakeholders.
They
talk
to
the
tourist
bureau.
V
They
talk
to
their
business
people,
they
talk
to
people
with
policy
backgrounds,
it's
not
just
to
a
man
with
a
hammer
everything's
a
nail.
We
apparently
took
our
concerns
to
the
City
attorney,
guess
what
the
City
attorney
he
came
back
with
a
lot
of
legalese.
That's
what
attorneys
do
it
doesn't?
Do
us
any
good
we're
going
to
have
it's
going
to
create
a
lot
more
promise
than
it's
going
to
solve
and
housing
providers
that
I've
talked
to
are
running
fine,
honest
establishments?
They
wouldn't
dream
of
annoying
their
neighbors
they're.
V
Not
here
tonight,
they're
telling
me
they
feel
bullied,
they
feel
intimidated.
They
feel
jerked
around.
As
the
word
I
heard,
they
feel
harassed.
Is
that
how
you
want
to
treat
your
fellow
preakers?
Is
that
how
you
want
to
treat
small
business
people
in
this
town?
They're
saying
forget
this
I'm
out
of
business
I'm
not
going
to
do
this
I'm,
retired
I!
Don't
need
this
brief,
maybe
I'll
just
go
underground.
V
Forget
it
not
going
to
do
it
so
we're
not
addressing
residents
concerns
with
this
horrible
model,
language,
it's
a
bad
Bill
and
we're
not
addressing
council's
real
concerns.
Take
the
time
get
it
right.
90
days,
120
days,
365
days,
I,
don't
care
get
it
right!
We
have
to
live
with
this
for
decades.
Red
light.
Sorry
thank.
A
W
W
W
People
do
not
know
what
short-term
rentals
are.
You
can
expect
everybody
to
know
what
the
definition
is.
You
can't
expect
somebody
to
have
to
go
back
and
look
at
the
state
statute.
It
has
to
be
in
there
it's
in
their
Fountain
Hills,
it's
in
there.
In
other
municipalities,
it's
not
a
big
thing
to
ask
for
it's
going
to
cause
more
work
for
Town
staff.
It's
going
to
cause
us
to
have
to
hire
Mr
Sims,
to
sort
things
out
when
there's
issues,
there's
no
reason
to
not
have
the
definition
in
there.
W
While
there's
a
bad
actor
with
that
house
and
Mr
swainheart's,
a
friend
of
mine
and
I
hate
to
see
him
have
issues,
I
have
a
bad
actor
near
my
house
where
he
makes
things
up.
So
I
would
like
to
see
a
penalty
for
people
who
who
make
up
things
about
what's
happening
at
at
a
rental,
because
I,
don't
think
I,
don't
think
it's
fair,
because
I
am
a
good
manager
of
my
property
I.
W
Don't
think
it's
fair
for
me
to
have
to
put
up
with
the
harassment
I've
been
put
up
with
so
far
and
I
can
tell
you
that
this
man
harassed
my
other
neighbor
since
2018
and
I
I'm
done
with
it
I
don't
want
any
more
harassment,
so
I
think
there
should
be
something
in
there
for
that.
It's
not
fair
for
staff
to
have
to
put
up
for
that
either.
If
people
are
going
to
make
false
accusations.
W
It
says
that
the
town
manager
or
its
designee
will
be
the
ones
that
will
enforce
this
and
I
think
there
needs
to
be
a
definition
of
who
the
designee
is.
Is
it
going
to
be?
Is
it
going
to
be
my
my
nasty
neighbor?
Is
he
going
to
be
a
designee
I
mean
I,
don't
know,
I
want
to
know
who
the
town,
managers
or
designee
I
know
who
the
town
manager
is,
but
I
want
to
know
who
the
designee
is
going
to
be.
W
T
W
If
my
guest
has
a
heart
attack,
I
mean
it
needs
to
Define
in
there
that,
when
they're
coming
out
for
an
issue
not
just
coming
out,
you
took
out
the
license
by
the
front
door.
I,
don't
understand
why
you
took
that
out
and
I
know
I'm
running
out
of
time,
but
I
believe
that
everyone
is
so
incorrect
on
these
taxes,
I
pay
three
and
a
half
percent
on
that
rental,
regardless,
if
it's
long-term
or
short
term
every
month,
I
go
in
well,
my
husband
does
and
he
goes
to
the
TPT
and
he
pays
it.
W
It
doesn't
matter
if
you
have
this
ordinance
and
effect
that
has
to
be
paid,
I
mean
unless
I've
been
paying
it,
that
I
want
a
reimbursement
but
and
this
and
the
short-term
rental,
the
additional
money.
Besides
the
three
and
a
half
percent,
a
five
percent
that
goes
to
the
state,
so
the
three
and
a
half
is
what
the
town
gets
paid
regardless.
It
doesn't
matter
if
you
have
an
ordinance
in
place
and
you
see
what
you
think
so
24
by
24
people.
W
A
lot
of
the
ways
to
control
is
by
zoning,
how
many
and
and
if,
if
we
don't
have
nuisance
ordinances
like
this
I
mean
you're
only
allowed
so
many
people
in
a
house
per
zoning,
so
I,
don't
know
how
you
there's
there's
no
way
they
do.
They
really
have
14
bedrooms
or
12
bedrooms
in
that
house.
I
mean
that's.
W
Y
My
name
is
Jessica
Ryder
and
my
family
has
lived
in
cave.
Creeks
of
the
1970s
I
spoke
here,
the
first
time
that
this
ordinance
was
read
and
give
you
a
little
bit
background
on
my
history
with
Cave
Creek
I
am
a
short-term
rental
owner.
We
are
rent.
Our
rental
is
a
house
that
was
inherited,
and
so
my
brother
and
I
have
the
property.
It's
a
special
property
to
us
and
I
wouldn't
want
it
being
like
the
ranch,
Manana
folks,
I,
look
at
this
bill
and
agree.
Y
One
of
the
good
things
about
going
further
on
is
a
lot
of
people
say
the
things
that
you
feel
I
feel
it's
still
too
ambiguous.
There
aren't
definitions,
I
read
through
here
and
as
someone
that
would
want
to
comply
with
the
local
laws
and
ordinances.
I
do
find
it
confusing
and
the
dazing
chain
between
all
the
different
ordinances
and
statutes
and
going
through
I
spent
at
least
six
to
seven
hours
going
through
the
statute
today
or
ordinance.
Y
I,
don't
see
any
caps
on
fees,
I
think
the
fees
are
also
still
ambiguous
of
how
often
I'm
concerned
about
what
is
considered
a
authorized
notification.
I
had
my
water
turned
off
in
Cave
Creek
because
they
notified
me
and
I
never
received
that
notification,
because,
even
though
I
received
my
bill,
it
was
on
a
different
system
than
what
the
town
used.
So,
even
though
I
notified
how
they
can
reach
me
via
the
billing,
they
use
the
Maricopa
County
assessor's
office,
which
is
one
of
the
ways
they
put
into
this
ordinance
on
how
to
notify
me.
Y
Y
With
respect
to
having
that
designated
person
one
hour
again,
I'm
not
a
corporation
I
live
10
minutes
from
my
rental.
If
you
call
me
at
one
o'clock
in
the
morning
because
of
an
issue
I'm
not
even
too
sure,
I
want
to
go
out
there
unless
the
police
is
already
there
and
then
my
question
is:
what
is
the
police
going
to
do
that
or
what
it?
Y
Z
D
My
name
is
Joe
Leanne
and
I
live
at
Galloway
Bridge.
It's
a
new
development
with
68
units
we're
the
newly
appointed
Board
of
this
new
development.
That's
right
over
here
we
do
have
three-month
minimum
CCR
ccnrs
and
there
is
abuse
going
on
in
our
community
with
short-term
rentals
because
they
can
they
game.
It.
I
just
read
this
tonight
and
this
leaves
all
kinds
of
interpretation
for
the
gamers
to
do
whatever
they
want
which
which
they
are
being
there.
D
So
you
did
bring
up
the
Fountain
Hills
website
there
and
it
was
covered
up
by
some
of
this
video
up
here
and
I
didn't
get
to
see
it,
but
Paul
I
appreciate
you
I
think
it
was
you
that
brought
that
up
and
in
the
short
minute
I
got
to
look
at
that.
It
outlined
real,
clearly
less
than
30-day
rental
on
short
term.
D
So
if
it's
there's
a
definition
in
there,
what
is
short-term
rental
there's
nothing
in
there,
which
leaves
the
gamers
to
interpretate
well
short
term
to
me
is
only
one
day
or
ten
days,
so
they're
not
going
to
file.
So
it
does
need
I
agree
with
everybody
in
here.
This
needs
work,
it
definitely
needs
work
and
I
think
you've
got
a
good
example
up
there
if
they're
just
a
little
bit
that
I
saw
there
and
tell
him
what
y'all
want
in
there.
D
Otherwise
he's
going
to
keep
charging
us,
thousands
and
thousands
of
dollars
just
to
keep
trying
to
get
him
to
change
things
in
here.
The
fines
have
to
be
stiff,
they
have
to
be
stiff
and
if
they're
not
stiff,
they're
going
to
just
keep
paying
them
and
a
piece
of
the
system.
So
that's
my
cheap
sense
in
here
so
and
I
think
also.
There
needs
to
be
notation
that
CC
and,
of
course,
within
HOAs,
need
to
be
compliant.
That's
all.
Thank
you.
Oh
thank
you.
I
do
want
to
Ally
too.
D
We
do
have
noticence
code
violations.
We
had
incidents
last
night
with
our
short
term
and
I
came
down
here,
met
Adam
and
he's
our
lone
person
to
talk
to
24x7
365
days
a
year
we
called
the
sheriff.
They
can't
do
anything
for
us
because
it's
private
property,
so
it's
not
going
to
get
better.
It's
just
going
to
get
worse.
If
we
don't
make
this
real
clear
what
the
guidelines
are
and
written
and
Laura
I,
thank
you
for
I,
don't
know
you,
but
that
was
exactly
what
you
said
Thank
you
thank.
L
AA
AA
AA
AA
Let's
get
a
few
other
things
cleared
up,
cave
creekers
are
already
paying
more
than
their
fair
share.
Tare
of
taxes,
str's
list
on
platforms
such
as
airbnbos,
have
those
taxes
taken
out
automatically.
They
are
already
paying
three
percent
or
more
on
gross
revenues
to
Cave
Creek
and
fit
five
and
a
half
percent
PTP.
AA
In
fact,
revenues
to
Cave
Creek
already
appear
in
the
town
budget
they've
been
getting
it
for
ever
since
they've
been
in
business
on
the
platforms
strs
by
the
way
are
already
paying
taxes
on
their
gross
revenues.
Many
of
you
guys
are
business
people
and
that's
an
insult
to
begin
with.
This
is
not
the
American
way
they
could
be
losing
money
and
still
have
to
pay
those
taxes.
AA
This
draft
is
a
direct
attack
on
all
of
our
property
rights,
as
it
is
written
how
appropriate
on
this
may
day.
Comrades
Cave
Creek
needs
overnight
lodgings,
so
that
visitors
can
spend
money
with
our
restaurants
and
Merchants.
We
need
those
sales
taxes
support.
Our
local
Merchants
do
not
cut
off
your
nose.
Despite
your
base
vote
no
on
this
particular
proposal.
AA
AA
Surprisingly,
that
did
not
happen.
Some
were
taken
out,
some
were
not,
and
some
tweaking
was
done
and
the
worst
of
some
of
the
unworkable
language
was
mysteriously
reappeared
in
other
sections
of
this
proposal.
This
trickery
undermines
public
confidence
and
local
government
I
request.
You
vote
no
on
this
draft.
We
can
get
something
much
better
than
this
there's,
not
one
single
definition
in
this
thing
and
it's
a
good
reason
for
it.
AA
The
reason
is,
it
can
then
be
applied
to
anything
it
can
be
applied
to
a
boarded
horse,
a
ham
sandwich.
No
damn
definition.
You've
got
to
have
that
or
you
don't
know
what
you
have
and
what
you're
passing
Mr
Sims
claims
that
this
model
was
made
from
the
Fountain
Hills.
Well,
I.
Don't
see
that
to
be
the
case
at
all,
there's
a
starts
with
two
pages
of
very
clearly
defined
definitions,
and
it
tells
you
exactly
what
a
freaking
short-term
rental
is
and
what
it
is.
Not
that's.
Absolutely
adamantly
Paramount!
AA
The
other
part
is
with
it
left
out.
That's
totally
nefarious,
because
you
know
that
it
then
will
immediately
be
applied
as
well
to
long-term
rentals
and
anything
you
choose
to
put
it
to
these
folks
are
already
paying
taxes
and
here's
the
other
thing.
It's
a
total
loser.
Scottsdale
right
in
there
is
admits
that
it's
a
loser.
AA
It
costs
way
much
more.
For
staff
to
administer
it
than
the
revenues
coming
in
and
they
knew
it
up
front
and
doing
it
anyway,
Cave
Creek
already
has
been
getting
this
three
percent
for
nothing
and
it
doesn't
cost
you
anything
and
you
want
to
mess
with
that.
It
makes
no
sense
this
I'm,
not
against
the
proposal.
Mr
headache.
AA
B
Z
Z
Our
concern
I'm
over
with
the
Rancho
Manana
people.
Our
concern
is
our
safety,
our
welfare
and
protecting
our
property,
our
children,
it
it
isn't
that
we
want
to
prevent
anyone
from
short-term
renting,
but
we
want
to
know
that
when
we
call
the
police,
the
police
have
someone
to
contact.
They
can
do
something.
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
the
nuisance
ordinance
needs
to
be
reviewed,
but
I
don't
think
the
two
of
them
have
to
be
done
at
the
same
time.
Excuse
me,
I,
don't
want
to
run
into
the
equipment.
Z
Z
The
reason
for
this
ordinance
is
the
welfare
of
our
Cave
Creek
residents.
It
has
nothing
to
do
with
getting
extra
Revenue,
so
I'm
personally,
not
concerned
about
that,
raise
my
do
what
you
need
to
do
if
you
need
more
money,
but
thank
you
and
thank
you
for
really
listening
to
us.
I
appreciate
this.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
D
A
The
following
are
opposed:
Adrian,
salier,
Gallery,
Ridge
and
KOA
ho
on
behalf
of
advanced
state.
Would
like
the
comments
read
those
those
comments
are
dear
council
members.
Advanced
stay
currently
manages
two
beautiful
properties
within
the
town
of
Cave
Creek.
We
thank
you
in
advance
for
the
opportunity
to
provide
a
public
comment
on
the
newly
proposed
short-term
rental
ordinance
and
appreciate
the
consideration
of
our
statement
to
ensure
that
it
fairly
works
for
currently
legally
operating
strs
in
Cave
Creek.
We
recommended
you
revisions
to
the
proposed
ordinance.
A
We
are
concerned
about
the
proposed
operational
requirements,
such
as
background
checks
and
neighbor
notifications.
As
a
premier
Hospitality
brand,
our
guests
placed
the
trust
and
event
stay
to
provide
a
private
and
hospitable
experience
from
check-in
to
check
out.
We
do
not
want
to
house
violent
Defenders
and
always
take
the
necessary
precautions
to
prevent
sex
offenders
from
renting
our
properties.
However,
we
believe
being
required
to
hold
records
of
our
guests
for
12
months,
as
reference
in
section
112.20a
comprises,
compromises
comprises
I,
believe
they
mean
compromises
the
privacy
and
Trust
guests
put
in
our
brand.
A
A
A
We
recommend
the
menu
requirements
to
remove
berry
requirements,
but
adding
language
to
allow
operators
the
freedom
to
use
any
pool
safety
Technologies
as
they
see
fit.
We
look
forward
to
continuing
to
manage
our
properties
and
hope.
The
Town
Council
will
incorporate
our
suggestions
into
the
new
ordinance.
A
Our
community
is
struggling
to
support
a
new
proposed
ordinance
that
limits
short-term
rentals.
Our
ccnr
is
recorded
with
the
development
stipulate
that
home
rentals
can
be
no
shorter
than
three
months.
The
new
ordinance
limits
rentals
to
one
month,
which
is
in
direct
conflict
with
our
rules
and
guidelines
for
residential
Community
I,
would
like
to
see
the
ordinance
approved,
but
not
supersede
our
recorded
CC
and
ours.
We
currently
are
experiencing
a
great
deal
of
conflict
with
extreme
short-term,
rentals
and
users,
grossly
disregarding
Community
rules
on
common
area
amenities.
A
The
ordinance,
if
approved,
will
bring
in
more
like
users
and
promote
short-minded
vacationing
individuals
who
have
no
interest
in
the
long-term
stability
and
growth
of
the
town
of
Cave.
Creek
I
would
prefer
the
town
considering
three-month
term
on
rentals,
as
these
users
will
be
spending
more
discretionary
income
over
a
longer
period
and
also
learn
the
benefits
of
why
many
of
us
call
Cave,
Creek
home,
approving
the
new
ordinance
negates
and
provides
harm
to
those
communities.
Who've
created
rules
to
benefit
their
development.
A
A
AB
AB
Thank
you,
Frank
Kepner
I
reside
at
4719,
East
Rancho
Caliente
in
a
resident
of
a
Cave
Creek
for
about
five
years
now,
and
when
I
came
here
to
this
area
from
out
of
the
state,
I
came
for
a
job
and
I
lost
my
job.
After
only
seven
months
of
moving
here
and
I
also
have
a
major
health
issue.
So
the
only
thing
that
got
me
through
was
the
Airbnb
renting
a
little
Casita
that
I
have
so
I
just
want
to
mention
that
this
is
also
not
about
large
corporations.
AB
It's
about
people
that
are
in
need
right.
So
I
wanted
to
mention
a
couple
things
about
this
ordinance.
I
think
that
it
does
need
to
be
better
defined,
I
think
that
in
terms
of
Licensing
I'm,
all
for
it
I've
got
little
kids
I'm
all
about
making
sure
that
safety
is
a
number
one
priority
and
that
we
all
you
know,
live
Happy
lives
here
in
terms
of
sex
offender
registry
and
all
that
stuff,
Airbnb
and
VRBO
already
do
that
type
of
work.
AB
They
do
research,
oh
fact
lists
they
look
into
local
databases,
state
in
National
databases,
so
I
think
that
is
a
little
bit
of
Overkill
and
also
there
would
be
liability
issues
to
the
the
town
I'm,
a
front-end
identity
expert,
with
the
emphasis
on
data
privacy.
So
my
algorithms
run-
and
you
know
major
Banks,
the
public
sector,
Etc
I,
know
what
I'm
talking
about,
but
I'd
like
to
mention
that,
in
terms
of
what
we're
providing
in
terms
of
the
the
policy
here,
it
needs
to
be
really
researched.
AB
I'm
a
numbers
guy
I
would
like
to
see
more
emphasis
on.
You
know
how
many
of
these
instances
are
occurring.
You
know.
Is
there
a
way
to
maybe
pass
that
bill
of
having
an
officer
visit
the
property
to
the
property
owner
right,
because
I
think
that
would
fall
instead
of
you
know,
taxpayers
like
ourselves,
the
property
owner-
that's
not
responsible
for
the
property
should
be
responsible
for
that
fee.
In
terms
of
you
know,
neighborhood
notifications,
I,
don't
think.
AB
AB
So
why
should
I
have
to
go
to
the
neighbors
and
provide
them
with
my
business
right
I
think
that's
a
little
bit
extreme
again,
I'm
all
for
it
I'm
all
for
you
know
this
ordinance
as
long
as
it's
clearly
stated
and
defined,
and
we
put
some
good
thought
into
it
already
as
part
of
Airbnb
rbo.
We
have
to
abide
to
Safe
measures,
you
know
anything,
that's
a
house
codes
Etc
like
fire
extinguishers
and
most
smoke
detectors.
AB
That's
all
part
of
it,
but
maybe
we
can
put
some
emphasis
on
the
type
of
rental
that
it
is
like
there
should
be.
Maybe
perhaps
tears
you
know,
I
I
have
a
you
know
a
guest
house.
Maybe
that
could
be
like
tier
two
tier
one.
Is
you
share
a
room
and
then
two
or
three
is
like
a
individual
house
and
there's
different
ordinances
or
different
specifications
for
the
type
of
rental
that
it
is
I.
AB
G
AB
A
J
J
I'll
be
happy
to
include
definitions.
When
we
were
last
here
you
we
were
concerned
that
the
ordinance
was
too
long
and
complicated.
I
was
fine.
Referring
to
the
statute.
I'd
be
happy
to
put
in
the
definitions.
I
will
refer
to
the
nuisance
code,
but
I
do
need
guidance
on
insurance
and
penalties,
the
principally
the
penalty
concerning
failure
to
to
reach
a
contact.
I
I
had
I
had
drafted
at
the
last
session.
This
is
in
section.
J
Section
one
112
16.:
this
is
this
is
probably
the
most
important
it's
the
24
hours
and
the
the
the
constituent
who
said
you're
right.
This
is
taken
out
of
the
stat
out
of
the
statute,
but
you're
right
it
does.
It
would
include
an
amble
instructor
turning
up
for
a
heart
attack,
and
so
we
need
to
fix
that.
That's
a
very
good
suggestion.
We
just
took
this
from
the
statute,
but
the
next
one
says
this
is
failure
to
spawn
in
an
hour.
What
is
the?
What
is
the?
What
is
the
the
the
remedy?
J
J
AA
AC
M
J
It
is
allowed
by
Statute
I
was
at
a
town
conference
with
70,
City,
attorneys
and
town
attorneys
asking
about
this.
It's
normally
not
required,
but
everybody's
requiring
it,
because
the
legislature
authorized
it,
and
so
we
I
took
it
out
because
you
asked
me
to
take
it
out.
I
can
put
it
back
in
most
people
put
it
in,
but
look
when
we,
when
we
zone
property
we
residential,
we
don't
require
anything
about
insurance,
no,
so,
but
that,
but
that
you,
but
the
statute
gives
you
the
authority.
So
we
can,
if
you
wish.
J
J
So
that's
where
the
legislature
didn't
do
us
any
favors,
and
that's
that's
why
this
is
complicated,
but
insurance
is
is
allowed
you
you
asked
me
to
take
it
out.
I
took
it
out.
The
lady
asked
about
why
you
asked
me
to
take
out
the
posting
I
took
it
out.
You
asked
me
to
reduce
the
penalty
for
failure
to
respond
to
a
call.
I
did.
But
this
isn't
my
call
it's
your
call.
J
Would
that's
why
I
I
tried
to
find
I
was
trying
to
take
your
guidance.
I
was
told
it
was
too
complicated,
and
so
I
was
trying
to
find
ways
to
address
the
lack
of
complexity
and
still
keep
the
benefit
of
the
intent.
For
example,
you
all
wanted
to
notice
out.
Everybody
else
includes
it,
but
to
make
to
make
to
try
to
make
the
orders
less
cumbersome,
we're
going
to
put
it
in
the
application.
I
think
that's
just
as
good.
M
J
K
K
A
Yeah
I
we
we
are
not
ready
to
adopt
this
I
I,
think
a
thing
that
I
heard
and
I
think
it's
correct,
I
think
we're
the
problem
with
the
comparing
what
Fountain
Hills
has
versus.
We
have
we're
two
different,
completely
different
stages
in
the
process:
we're
trying
to
get
a
law
passed.
They
have
administrative
procedures
and
definitions
and
hyperlinks
that
we
aren't.
A
We
aren't
there,
yet
that's
that's
probably
120
days
out,
so
we
need
to
get
past
this
piece
where
we
put
the
law
in
on
the
books
and
then
we
can
move
on
to
administrative
part.
I'm.
Looking
at
Council
I'm
prepared
to
draft
off
top
my
head
emotion
that
I
would
open
up
to
any
changes
someone
might
have
to
improve.
N
You
know
my
comment
is
that
if
we
wait
until
we
have
a
perfect
document,
it
probably
will
not
occur
and
I
think
what
we're
looking
for
is
progress
and
I
I
feel
that
by
tabling
we
are
putting
ourselves
into
a
situation
where
we
can
go
on
with
this
forever,
but
I
think
clarifications
can
come
as
we
go
along
and
I'm
asking
the
attorney.
If
that
is
correct,
the.
J
Mayor
said
well,
some
of
the
concerns
have
been
raised.
I
was
in
I
would,
but
your
call
is
not
mine.
I
was
intending
to
put
that
in
the
application.
It's
much
more
flexible,
yes
and
it
can
be
changed.
I
was
just
trying
to
get
at
most
other
jurisdictions
have
done
to
get
the
rudiments
of
a
law
that
was
allowed
by
by
the
statute
approved
by
the
AG.
To
try
to
allow
you
to
take
this
next
step.
J
What
I'm
hearing
from
the
mayor
is
is
there
are
some
concerns,
I'll
be
happy
to
put
definitions
in
it?
Is
he
saying
table
it
and
then
I
we?
That
gives
us
time
to
one
come
back
with,
and
you
can
give
me
guidance
on
the
insurance.
You
can
give
me
guidance
on
whether
we
post
the
notices.
You
can
give
me
guidance
on
on
on
on
the
penalties
for
failure
to
come
within
one
hour
right
now.
Those
are
open
questions,
and
so
one
option
would
be
the
table.
J
Let
us
come
back
to
you
with
with
what
the
vendors
can
do
to
address
many
of
the
complexities
of
administering
this
program.
I,
then,
can
get
guidance
from
you
as
to
what
some
of
these
technical
specific
issues
that
we've
been
discussed
tonight
and
then
we
can
go
back
with
a
finished
product.
I
mean
my
point
is
required.
I
understand
your
point
about
getting
it
done.
I
truly
think
we
can
have
a
better
product
by
June.
If,
indeed
tweet
one
can
talk
to
the
vendors.
J
A
Certainly,
the
first
meeting
in
June
we
have
motion
on
the
floor,
the
the
this
is
the
time
that
we
Implement
Department
procedure,
and
so
that
was
the
motion
and
I'm
looking
for
a
a
second
on
that
question.
Okay
and
now,
if
somebody
has
an
improvement,
I
would
ask
them
to
make
a
motion
here
to
to
make
that
motion
to
improve
it
and
then
we'll
vote
on
on
this
motion
and.
A
A
That
is
my
issue
on
the
insurance.
Is
what
initial
liability
does
the
town
take
on
by
requiring
it
and
then
having
to
make
sure
they
have
it
and
all
that
sort
of
thing?
So?
Okay,
so
is
that
taken
care
of
perfect
yeah?
Anybody
else
want
to
make
an
amendment.
Okay,
then
we
will
take
a
vote.
It's
not
Financial!
A
You
know,
I
am
I
doing
okay
here,
Teresa,
okay,
all
those
in
favor
of
that
motion,
aye,
aye
aye.
All
those
posed
motion
carry
six
zero
and
we're
off
for
another
30
days.
Okay.
The
next
issue
is
item
number
two
is
Council
discussion:
approval
of
issuance
and
contract.
You
can
sell
us
asphalt,
Incorporated
to
install
Mill
and
pave
on
26th
Street
north
of
Saddle
Mountain
Road
for
an
amount
of
up
to
168
thousand
nine
hundred
dollars
presented
by
the
town
engineer
and
now,
I
understand
what
Mr
thesaurus
in
the
audience.
X
X
X
A
AD
L
AD
Old
fire
department-
let's
just
clarify
the
old
fire
department-
that
the
original
House
on
my
property
part
of
the
ground,
there's
an
inside
joke.
There
I
believe
this
road
was
originally
baked
about
1986.,
so
it
didn't
quite
make
40
years
chances
are
pretty
good,
I'm,
Gonna,
Be,
Back
40
years
from
now
having
to
repave
it
again.
So
that's
all
to
your
bonus,
Tom
and
I
discussed
that
he
will
be
here.
AD
So
you
know,
there's
a
good
side
and
a
bad
side
to
this.
That
I'm
sure
you've
considered
the
impact
on
sales
taxes
we
won't
be
buying,
as
many
new
tires
from
Big
O
and
AutoZone's
not
going
to
sell
us
as
many
shock
absorbers-
and
you
know
the
dentists
are
going
to
be
disappointed.
They
won't
be
fixing
as
many
broken
teeth.
AD
However,
I
have
spoken
with
my
neighbors
and
we're
going
to
double
down
on
what
we
spend
down
here
in
the
core
at
the
Chip
And
and
we're
going
to
try
and
make
up
for
it.
So
you
can
consider
this
neutral.
Actually,
folks,
I
just
want
to
again.
Thank
you
all
for
your
service.
You
have
earned
your
money
tonight
which,
since
you
don't
get
paid
I,
guess
that's
fairly
easy
bar
to
hit,
but
really
I
sincerely.
Thank
you
for
what
you've
done.
AD
AE
This
will
be
really
brief.
I,
too,
can
appreciate
a
quality
Road.
Unfortunately,
I
live
on
Tallyho
Drive.
So,
while
I
can
appreciate
that
he
needs
a
quality,
Road
and
I
totally
am
supportive
of
his
efforts.
This
is
a
repave
Tallyho.
Drive
has
no
pavement
period
and
it's
going
to
cater
to
roughly
23
houses,
and
there
are
20
on
Tallyho
food
for
thought.
A
I
A
Yes,
you
got
your
money,
your
approval,
I!
Guess
you
already
have
the
money
item
number
four
is
Council
discussion,
approval
of
resolution,
r,
2023-09,
a
resolution,
the
mayor
and
Town
Council,
town
of
Cave,
Creek,
Maricopa,
County,
Arizona,
approving
and
authorizing
a
mayor
to
execute,
on
behalf
of
the
town
that
certain
intergovernmental
agreements
between
the
town
of
Cave,
Creek
and
Maricopa
County
regarding
Regional
Emergency,
Operations
management
and
disaster
services
presented
by
the
town,
man,
Town
Marshall.
Excuse
me.
X
County's
Department
of
Emergency
Management
typically
was
a
five-year
agreement.
Now
it's
moved
to
a
10-year
agreement.
I
think
we
all
could
agree,
unfortunately,
that
we've
had
to
experience
the
benefits
of
the
IGA
with
the
Maricopa
County
Department
of
Emergency
Management
I'm,
just
respectfully
requesting
that
you
please
do
go
ahead
and
authorize
the
new
10-year
as
far
as
financial
implications,
the
the
IGA
this
year
costs
us
1
716.43.
That
does
vary
per
year.
If
you
have
to
answer
any
questions,
you
have
thank
you
for
the
meal.
C
A
K
F
N
F
M
A
Item
number
three.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
It's
a
discussion:
approval
of
resolution,
r
2023-08,
a
resolution
of
the
mayor
and
Town
Council
town
of
Cape
Creek,
Maricopa,
County,
Arizona,
approving
and
authorizing
the
establishment
of
an
audit
committee
in
the
book.
There
is
a
on
the
second
page.
There
sorry
exhibit
a.
A
This
was,
at
my
behest,
coming
from
a
corporate
background,
always
having
been
the
Oddity,
not
the
auditor,
but
there
there
are
best
practices
in
audits
regarding
the
structure
of
those
audits
which
the
town
at
this
time
does
not
comply
with
those
best
practices
are
universally
employed
across
the
world,
and
my
my
judgment
is
it's
time
for
Cave
Creek
to
move
in
that
direction.
This
isn't
specifically
directed
at
anything.
It's
just
it's
just
the
way
things
are
done
to
run
a
tight
ship
and
I.
A
The
exact
structure
is,
is
up
for
grabs
account
with
Council
can
have
as
many
people
as
want
to
be.
If
everyone
wants
to
be
on
it,
they
can
do
that
as
long
as
we
at
least
have
three,
and
what
this
means
is
that
the
auditor
would
work
for
the
council.
The
council
would
be
responsible
if
we
wanted
to
change
Auditors
or
to
put
it
out
for
RF
or
an
RFP.
H
There
will
be
a
brief
presentation
and
the
council
would
have
to
authorize
the
mayor
to
sign
the
engagement
agreement,
because
that's
that's
the
one
thing
that
kind
of
kicks
off
the
audit
and
gives
you,
then
all
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
the
auditor,
and
he
plans
on
coming
to
the
next
meeting
and
kind
of
giving
a
brief
explanation
of
what
the
process
is
and-
and
that
will
be
on
the
agenda
before
your
action
item.
And
then
we
left
the
the
duties
and
responsibilities
open
enough.
H
So
that's
sort
of
the
process,
but
the
difference
is
you'll,
be
able
to
be
much
more
Hands-On
and
meet
with
him
in
a
public
meeting
or
if
there's
only
three.
You
can
meet
and
then
report
back
to
the
whole
Council,
so
we've
left
it
flexible
for
whatever,
however,
you'd
like
to
start
initially,
if
you
want
to
do
the
whole
Council
appointed,
so
everything
comes
to
the
entire
Council.
M
H
M
H
Right,
you
would
have
a
an
audit
committee
agenda,
probably
prior
to
a
regular
meeting.
So
you
know
you
meet,
maybe
at
five
o'clock
or
something
and
and
the
audit
makes
has
their
meeting,
makes
a
recommendation
to
the
council
and
then
close
that
meeting
and
then
open
the
council
meeting
and
the
council
can
can
vote
to
do
whatever
the
business
is.
C
A
So
I
I
I
think
that
I
don't
think
there's
any
more
or
less
administrative
overhead
to
having
three
versus
seven
because
you
still
got
to
do
the
same
thing
and
so
it
if
someone
doesn't
want
to
be
on
the
committee
I
mean
I.
Would
my
initial
thought
was
for
the
first
year.
Something
like
that
refers
to
First
audit
is
to
have
everybody
join
in
and
after
that
we
can
modify
the
procedures.
How
we'd
like
to
to
proficiency.
A
Well,
then,
I
will
make
the
motion
to
make
sure
I
get
on
the
right.
One
here
motion
to
prove
resolution:
R,
2023-0,
A,
to
resolution
the
mayor
and
Town
Council
of
town
of
Cave
Creek
Maricopa,
County,
Arizona,
approving
and
authorizing
the
establishment
of
an
audit
committee.
Second,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
motion
carry
six
zero.
H
So
so,
just
to
clarify
at
the
next
meeting
now
we'll
put
the
appointments
on,
you
should
have
a
motion
to
appoint
each
of
you
to
the
committee
prior
to
taking
action,
as
as
the
yeah
I
mean
we'll
have
our
initial
meeting
with
the
auditor
he'll
be
here
next
meeting
as
well,
and
then
you
can
take
a
vote
to
authorize
the
mayor
to
sign
the
engagement
letter.
So
there'll
be
two
actions
next
meeting.
AC
Foreign
members
of
council,
as
Kerry
put
in
a
lot
of
these
things,
will
appear
in
the
monthly
report
that
is
given
to
the
town
manager
and
disseminated
to
council
each
month.
A
lot
of
the
the
things
we
do
really
are,
if
you
think
of
Cave
Creek
we're
not
a
full
service
Community.
There
are
a
lot
of
organizations
and
non-profits
and
and
agencies
that
really
work
to
provide
other
services
additional
Services.
AC
You
know
the
Cave
Creek
Museum,
the
chamber,
Desert
Foothills,
Library
I
can
I
list
them
all
I
serve
on
the
Community
Alliance,
the
Desert
Foothills
Community
Alliance.
That
group
consists
of
Representatives
and
leaders
from
organizations
like
Kiwanis
the
museum,
Sonoran
Arts
League
Desert,
Foothills
Library,
the
chamber,
Land
Trust
Cave
Creek,
Rodeo,
Foothills,
Food,
Bank,
Collins
Center,
the
Foothills,
caring
Corps,
Stagecoach
Village,
just
recently
Incorporated
a
non-profit,
and
they
have
a
place
at
the
table
also
and
as
well
as
a
school
district,
a
lot
of
things.
AC
You
know
it's
a
it's
a
mutually
beneficial
group,
we're
always
looking
at
you
know
what
are
upcoming
events
and
general
needs
across
those
groups
trying
to
identify
Synergy
and
deepen
those
Partnerships
I
I.
Put
in
here
a
small
but
tangible
result
from
these
meetings
as
the
new
sign
for
the
Cave
Creek
museum
at
Cave,
Creek,
Road
and
Basin,
we
would
have
never
known
that
they
were
in
need
of
a
new
sign
and
a
new
location
to
put
that
sign
without
quarantining
ourselves
in
a
room
once
a
quarter.
AC
So
those
types
of
things
are
are
brought
up
and
and
they're
really
up
opportunities
for
everyone
to
work
together
and
get
on
the
same
page.
It's
really
a
matter
of
We're
All
in
This
Together.
That's
something
that
my
mentor
used
to
used
to
preach
to
us
on
the
planning
department.
You
shoulder
you
shoulder
the
blame.
AC
AC
AC
That's
that's
mutually
beneficial.
You
know
we're
always
looking
for
ways
to
if,
if
you
can
figure
out
how
to
get
everyone
on
The,
Winning,
Side,
Of,
The
Ledger,
that's
the
best
way
to
proceed,
and-
and
you
know
the
other
example-
is
the
Foothills
Food
Bank.
They
were
in
need
of
additional
space.
They
had
really
outgrown
their
location
in
the
town
core.
They
were
looking
at
properties
along
Carefree,
Highway
that
they
would
have
to
entitle
rezone
purchase
and
develop.
AC
The
town
has
once
again
ample
land
next
to
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
that
could
accommodate
them.
So
we
did
a
a
lease
with
them
and
it
in
return
they're
going
to
build
the
town
office
space
in
that
location.
So
the
public
works
and
utilities
are
going
to
get
new
lab
facilities,
new
office
space
and
those
types
of
things.
So
the
the
one
thing
I
kind
of
LED,
with
in
my
memo
to
you
this
evening
was
really
my
job
is
to
be
equal
parts,
pragmatic
and
patient,
and
also
Pie
in
the
Sky
to
a
degree.
AC
Understanding
that
patience
in
a
positive
attitude
gets
a
lot
gets
a
lot
of
things
accomplished
when
you
stay
the
course
and
and
just
identifying
the
important
Partnerships
and
working
together
is
always
is
always
Paramount
in
what
in
what
the
town
should
do,
what
I
do
personally,
so
those
are
just
really
the
highlights
of
of
my
report.
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
mark.
Thank
you.
N
Man
make
a
comment:
you're
right,
Luke
has
a
long
history
in
Cave
Creek
of
the
kind
of
Partnerships
that
he's
talking
about
and
I
want
to
compliment
Luke
for
the
work
he's
done
on
this.
It
has
not
always
been
easy,
and
his
contribution
to
the
town
is
greatly
appreciated
by
me
and
I'm
sure
the
other
six
council
members.
C
I
have
a
comment
as
well,
and
I
really
really
want
to
compliment
you
on
the
final
list
of
efforts
that
you've
shared
here
in
this
report
and
and
then
so.
This
is
kind
of
stuff.
That's
happened
and
I
hope
that
in
the
future
we
can
kind
of
hear
where
you're
going
with
this,
you
did
describe
the
job
description
a
little.
E
E
I
would
imagine
if
somebody's
going
to
come
in
and
take
land
out
of
the
market
for
commercial
use
and
turn
it
into
a
parking
lot
that
they
would
want
a
long-term
commitment
for
that.
If
you're
going
to
try
this,
please
let
the
other
elements
of
parking
that
the
town
is
working
with
the
business
owners
be
developed
first.
E
Then
let's
look
at
a
shorter
term
lease
one
that
we
can
measure
with
management
indicators,
I'm
really
concerned
about
how
the
town
would
run
this
parking
lot
wherein
I
could
see
events
happening
in
a
parking
lot
scenario,
improvements
needing
to
happen,
and
events
happening
in
the
parking
lot
scenario
that
we
would
say,
I
didn't
realize
that
was
going
to
happen
in
that
parking
lot.
At
two
o'clock
in
the
morning,
bang
now
somebody's
got
to
go
clean
up
that
mess
and
I
just
don't
think
we
should
be
the
owners.
E
It's
like
uncontrolled
and
I
think
it
goes
back
to
our
unwillingness
to
enforce
laws,
rules
and
ordinances,
and
as
long
as
we're
going
to
be
in
the
mode
of
not
enforcing
with
ticketing
and
Towing,
we're
going
to
have
that
behavior.
So
building
a
parking
lot
more
than
13
feet
from
the
front
door
of
the
establishment
that
they
want
to
go
to
is
probably
not
going
to
be
the
best
use
of
the
town's
resources.
Thank
you.
W
W
I
think
that
parking
in
town
is
going
to
help
for
safety,
because
when
I
drive,
home
I
I
purposely
drive
through
town
when
I
drive
home
at
night,
because
I
like
to
see
everybody
out
because
I
don't
go
out.
So
it's
just
fun
for
me,
but
I
see
how
they
Park
and
I
think
this
would
be
a
great
idea
and
I
think
that
helping
the
businesses
helps
us
because
it
helps
our
tax
revenue
so
I'm.
All
for
this.
Thank
you.
A
L
J
AC
AC
AC
A
AC
AC
AC
Could
you
know
for
if
you're
looking
at
the
map?
Rogers
wash
is
a
good
example
that
there
is
the
Lion's
Share
of
residential
space
up
there.
It
would
likely
behoove
a
developer
at
10
15
20
years,
when
these
lands
were
deemed
ripe
for
sale
by
the
state
land,
because,
if
you
understand
the
state
land
departments,
their
primary
goal
is
to
sell
these
lands
when
they're
at
their
most
valuable.
AC
Because
that's
what
funds
public
education
in
the
state
of
Arizona
so
there
they
have
a
whole.
You
know
ripeness
test
on
when
lands
are
appropriate
to
be
auctioned,
but,
getting
back
to
my
example
is
a
developer.
It
would
really
benefit
them
to
purchase
the
open
space
in,
along
with
the
residential
zone
property,
to
meet
the
town's
requirements
for
an
ordinance
to
provide
open
space,
because
the
subdivision
ordinance
requires
that
you
provide
open
space
and
undisturbed
development.
AC
That's
I,
I
think
was
there
was
another
concern
about
access
access
is.
If
you
look
at
four
five,
eight
hundred
North,
which
is
the
last
Street
number.
It's
kind
of
difficult
to
see
there
it's
in
Blue
on
the
left
side
of
the
map,
that
is
Jenny
Lynn
alignment
in
County
just
below
that
the
next
section
line
is
circle,
Mountain
Road
alignment
and
the
one
before
that
is
Honda
bow.
AC
M
AC
N
AC
Would
be
up
to
the
state,
land
Department,
okay,
to
identify
what
area
or
what
tract
of
land
will
be
auctioned
and
that
and
that's
back
to
my
point
of
make
making
sure
that
we
continue
an
ongoing
dialogue
with
the
state
land
Department
to
make
sure
as
they're
kind
of
partioning,
those
or
portioning
out
those
areas
for
auction
at
some
point
in
the
future
that
that
is
included.
Thank
you.
So.
A
AC
J
What
Luke
is
saying
is
status
quo
state
land,
if
you
will
keep
it.
If,
however,
they
are
now
auctioning,
developable
property,
Luke
talks
to
them
and
say,
because
you
have
a
transfer
of
development
right
ordinance.
They
induce
induce
the
state
land
Department
to
add
the
open
space
to
the
the
development
to
get
the
developer
to
buy
both
because
that
enhances
the
value
of
of
the
commercial
of
the
residential.
Under
your,
what
I
call
your
TDR
ordinance.
A
AC
AC
I
I
do
because
there's
nothing
in
the
agreement
that
that
states
otherwise
I
mean
it's.
It's
a
the
governor
signed
it.
The
state
land,
commissioner,
signed
it
the
TR,
maybe
the
treasurer
didn't
like
it
at
the
time.
I,
don't
think
the
treasurer
liked
it
very
much,
but
everyone
else
supported
it
and
they
supported
the
zoning.
It
was
really
a
landmark
I
mean
it.
AC
Councilman
Bunch
was
was
here,
I
mean
it
was
a
landmark
in
Tom.
It
was
really
a
landmark
deal
for
the
state
and
other
communities,
I
believe
have
tried
to
do
it
since
I,
don't
know
if
any
of
has
been
as
successful
as
the
town
was
and
and
really
half
of
the
open
space
left
in
town
is
zoned
open
space
can.
AC
J
C
A
A
C
N
AC
AC
A
AC
H
N
N
AC
T
AC
Thing
if
the
open
space
remains
in
the
state
in
the
state's
hands,
there
are
issues
that,
as
far
as
access
you
know,
being
having
the
open
space
available
for
recreation
or
other
expressed
intent
would
be
difficult.
That's
why
that's
the
other
wrinkle
of
of
having
it
acquired
by
a
developer
at
the
time
that
they're
coming
through
for
a
plot
is
that
they
would
dedicate,
indeed,
trails
and
easements
to
those
lands
for
the
for
the
public.
Good
and
benefit
is
the
other
thing
to
consider.
AC
C
And
maybe
a
question
too
so
what
you're
talking
about
here
is
is
really
critical
to
the
town
and
its
future.
I
mean
this
is
a
big
deal
to
US,
Open,
Space
people,
and
who
else
has
this
wealth
of
knowledge
that
you
do
Luke
or
where
are
those
records
kept
or
do
we
have
that?
All
in
writing
help
me
out
here.
H
Town
teaming,
we
have
a
town
clerk
right.
Her
one
of
her
principal
jobs
is
to
maintain
all
of
our
public
records
with
the
town
of
Cave
Creek.
These
are
permanent
records.
They
were
adopted
by
ordinances
and
resolutions
between
the
agreements
and
the
actual
annexation,
and
she
has
access
to
all
of
these
public
records
and
the
ordinances
and
resolutions
are
online
on
our
website.
You
can
get
access
to
them,
anytime,
24,
7.
and.
L
A
W
L
W
Very,
very
much
interested
in
preserving
this
land.
We
were
so
excited
after
spur
cross
was
saved,
and
so
I
was
around
in
a
lot
of
the
meetings.
I
wasn't
part
of
the
preservation
group.
We
we
met,
we
met
sometimes,
and
then
we
might
go
a
year
and
then
we'd
meet
again,
but
so
I
will
tell
you
my
personal
opinion
from
the
years
of
the
experience
and
sitting
in
in
meetings,
I
believe
that
the
state
land
Department
can
change
that
zoning.
W
If
we
don't
have
control
over
it
and
I
believe,
because
I
am
very
up
on
political
things
that
a
governor
can
come
in
and
his
friend
could
be
a
developer
and
he
could
say:
I
want
that
land
and
they're
going
to
put
it
up
for
auction
and
they're
going
to
change
its
owning
and
it's
going
to
be
gone,
I
believe
it's
really
worth
saving
what
Luke
said
about
having
the
developer
purchase
land.
That
was
actually
one
of
the
things
that
I
thought
of
doing
too
was
when
it
does
get
auctioned.
W
W
So
that's
just
a
great
idea,
I
think,
but
I
would
be
very
careful
to
think
that
we
can
just
have
that
land
there
and
state
land
Department's
not
going
to
change
it,
because
it's
all
about
money,
and
it's
all
about
friends,
and
it's
oh
and
the
other
thing
too,
with
Usama
when
Osama
was
Town
manager
that
whole
sewer
line.
That
was
part
of
the
agreement.
He
he
put
that
sewer
in,
because
that
was
part
of
the
agreement
with
the
state
land
Department
that
they
had
to
have
water
and.
A
Thank
you
is
it
which
brings
a
question.
Is
there
anything
we
can
do
with
our
zoning
or
other
issues
or
codes,
or
that
that
would
help
Preserve
the
situation
that
you've
described,
for
example,
the
amount
of
open
space
that
a
subdivision
is
required
to
purchase
so
that
that
would
match
closely
with
the
amount
of
state
land
that
could
be
auctioned
off
so
that
at
some
point,
state
land
Department
would
be
out
and
that
line
would
be
dedicated
open
space
to
a
private
party.
Private
subdivision.
AC
An
answer
well
that
so
just
approximately
there's,
8
000
Acres
of
State
trust
land
4000
is
zoned,
open
space,
Recreation
or
open
space
conservation,
and
then
the
other
is
split
up
between
dr-43
dr-70,
Dr,
190,
commercial.
Well,
I!
Don't
know
why
I'm
going
off
a
member
you've
got
it
on
the
map
there
in
front
of
you.
A
breakdown
of
those
lands.
A
A
J
A
J
If
truly,
we
have
the
governor
in
the
legislature
wanting
to
give
state
land
the
ability
to
enhance
the
value
of
the
property,
the
way
they
could
accomplish,
the
rezoning
would
have,
they
would
have
to
be
annexed
right
and
they
would
have
to
change
the
statute
to
allow
the
United
States
which
they
could
do.
But
then
the
question
is:
is
that
property
more
developable
when
it's
in
the
county
I
suspect?
J
Not,
then
it's
what
it's
in
the
town,
so
the
goal
is,
is
to
take
loose
to
Luke's
advice,
figure
out
a
way
to
convince
state
land
that
they
can
make
money
by
tying
up
open
space
with
development
property
to
create
value
on
the
developed
property.
That's
what
you
can
do
under
your
TDR
ordinance.
Thank
you.
AD
AC
E
Yes,
so
very
important
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak
and
to
have
this
kind
of
night
where
we
can
just
kind
of
air
our
comments
and
suspicions
on
this
I
believe
the
state
land
Department
still
has
the
major
control
over
this
until
you
own
that
land,
it's
theirs
to
dispose
of
for
them
to
get
the
highest
value
return
they
can
for
the
trust,
I.
Think
Janet
was
right
about
that
issue
and.
L
E
Not
saying
that
we
don't
have
zoning
I'm
just
saying
that
they
actually
have
preemption
to
zoning
within
their
legislative
Authority
and
that
could
come
back
to
bite
us
later.
You
know
that
every
meeting
that
we
talk
about
the
budget
I
ask
you
to
put
money
in
the
preservation
budget.
This
is
going
to
take
a
bazooka
and
since
2017
we've
been
spending
money,
but
we
haven't
been
saving
money.
E
This
is
why
you
needed
to
save
your
money,
because
one
day
we're
going
to
come
along
and
we're
not
going
to
have
all
the
money,
but
maybe
if
we
save
hard
and
quit
buying
parking
lots
and
horse
trailer
turnarounds
and
everything
else
that
everybody
can
dream
of.
We
can
save
enough
money
for
a
down
payment
on
this
four
thousand
acres.
E
This
was
kind
of
butchering
up
this,
the
way
it
stated,
but
if
the
town
buys
the
lot
the
water
company,
he
talked
about
the
fact
that
the
town
was
in
negotiations
to
purchase
a
water
company.
If
the
town
provided
to
purchase
the
water
company,
then
it's
a
real,
easy
logic
gate.
If
you
do
this,
then
the
town
will
have
the
obligation
to
provide
water
to
the
state
trust
lands
within
seven
miles
of
the
Town
boundary
period.
E
That
pre-annexation
agreement
was
our
commitment
to
build
this
infrastructure
that,
when
excuse
me
that
state
land
does
develop,
we're
ready
to
serve
so
I
find
it
very
interesting
that
now,
all
of
a
sudden
we're
going
to
be
able
to
come
back
and
say:
oh
yeah,
remember
what
we
did
the
Carefree
on
their
corner.
Now
we're
going
to
tell
you
you
got
to
go,
find
your
own
one
or
two,
and
we
know
how
that
ended.
E
You
don't
want
to
tell
somebody
that
you've
told
you're
going
to
provide
water.
We
changed
the
rules
and
you
guys
so
I
would
say.
That's
going
to
be
Our
obligation
is
to
know
where
and
when
to
find
help
them
find
their
water,
and
maybe
because
we
have
the
system
to
transport
it.
Maybe
we
have
something
to
negotiate
with
a
little
further
in
just
not
providing
the
water
but
getting
the
water
as
it
becomes
available.
E
I,
don't
think,
there's
any
water
that
we
could
afford
today
within
the
cap
system,
that's
for
sale
that
we
would
want
to
actually
go
by
hoping
the
state
land
Department
would
actually
build
over
there.
So
I
don't
know
how
we
get
that
water,
but
so
that's
a
big
part
of
this
long-term
commitment.
We've
been
involved
with.
E
E
F
L
U
U
U
A
U
Creek
resident
and
I
do
have
something
to
say
and
I
think
that
some
of
the
stuff
that
you've
heard
before
may
not
be
a
hundred
percent.
Accurate,
I
I've
read
this.
This
is
the
official
document
again
and
again
and
again,
and
it
is
obvious
that
from
a
very
get-go
the
state
land
Department
was
re
in
charge.
They
are
the
owner,
they
are
the
one
that
sell
the
property.
U
U
I
think
that's
pretty
straightforward.
It
means
that
if
the
20
years,
Runs
Out
the
state
land
Department
can
do
any
damn
thing
they
want
relative
to
water.
This
is
very
explicit
and
I
to
me
to
me.
It
subsumes
anything
else.
That's
out
there.
One
thing
here,
though,
is
that
it
only
talks
about
water.
It
doesn't
talk
about
infrastructure
other
than
the
lines
and
that
the
land
department
will
have
a
development
agreement
with
any
developer
and
out
of
the
development
agreement
with
the
developer,
certain
monies
would
be
made
available
to
take
care
of
infrastructure.
U
U
U
U
Vertical
enough,
so
that
simple
development
is
not
something
that
can
be
done.
There's
a
there's,
a
lot
of
other
things
that
need
to
be
considered
in
this,
and
you
know
oh
one
fun
thing
I
like
this.
If
something
does
happen
now
to
develop
and
it's
going
to
be
within
the
town
of
Cave
Creek,
any
ordinances
have
been
passed
since
2008
are
not
relevant.
U
U
F
J
J
This
does
best
any
developer
when
you
do
a
pre
annexation
and
development
agreement.
You
invest
in
laws
that
are
that
are
in
effect,
when
you
rezoned
I
mean
this
statute
says
the
owner
may
sell
such
portions
in
compliance
with
all
Africa.
Now
I
can
tell
you
if
the
political
force
is
getting
up
against
you,
then
they
could
change
the
law
if
they
would
have
to
in
effect,
say
that
you,
this
Council
can't
rezone
have
to
have
to
rezone
the
property,
and
right
now
you
have
been
elected
to
Zone
that
property.
AC
H
A
W
W
One
of
the
things
that
we
found
was
that,
because
the
governor's
office
changes
so
often
every
two
years
there's
an
election,
it
seems,
and
so
nobody
wants
to
do
anything.
So
that's
one
of
the
the
problems
that
came
across
they
didn't
know
if
they
were
going
to
be
in
office
and
and
and
then
the
other.
There
was
one
more
too
well
for
the
appraisal,
because
the
state
land
department
has
to
sell
for
highest
and
best
use.
W
They
have
to
have
that
appraisal
ahead
of
time
and
know
what
to
put
it
out
for
so
you
can't
go
and
say
you
want
to
buy
it
unless
you
have
the
money
ahead
of
time.
You
don't
know
what
the
money
is
going
to
be
so
it
it
makes
it
tougher.
You
need
to
make
sure
you
have
a
lot
of
money
so
that
you
can
cover
whatever
that
fee
is
going
to
be
when
they
put
it
up
for
sale,
because
they
do
have
to
auction
off
for
every
everybody.
A
N
AA
N
A
H
Seven,
the
presentation-
this
is
our
third
presentation
to
council
regarding
the
draft
2024
budget,
we're
going
to
just
go
over
the
highlights
of
the
discussion
from
the
April
13th
session
and
what
we
have
included
in
the
budget.
This
is
the
last
work
session.
The
next
meeting
and
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
this
later.
It
will
be
on
Tuesday
May
16th.
H
H
So
if
there's
something
that's
going
to
increase
the
cap
of
the
overall
budget,
we
should
try
to
include
that
today.
So
by
the
time
we
get
there,
we
have
that
then
we're
on
a
really
really
tight
timeline
for
public
hearing
notices
and
Publications
Etc.
So
it
makes
it
really
difficult
to
approve
the
tentative
budget
and
then
try
to
make
some
changes.
We
we
have
to
get
it
done
like
the
next
day,
so
anything
you
want
in
there
today
is
a
day.
H
C
I
do
have
a
comment
on
page
12,
or
it
says
page
121
to
255,
where
it
says:
governance
for
the
Strategic
plan
goals.
We
never
agreed
to
a
25
staff
increase.
We
just
agreed
to
correctly.
You
know
size
the
staff,
because
we
did
have
a
discussion
about
that.
Also
on
item
number,
four:
the
enhanced
teamwork
and
collaboration
when
we
talked
about
training
funds
and
things
like
that,
we
were
talking
about
making
sure
that
the
people
that
are
on
the
Planning
Commission
get
APA
certified.
They
go
through.
C
The
two-week
planning
course
that
people
that
work
on
our
staff
go
through
the
more
detailed
six-week
course,
so
it
really
was
tied
to
work
related
things
a
little
bit
less
on
us
managing
conflict
and
organizing
performance.
That's
stuff
that
you
need
to
do
within
the
town
staff.
So
that's
not
stuff
that
we
need
to
do
on
the
council.
H
Mr
mayor
council
member,
we
know
this
is
in
draft
form
and
we've
identified
on
some
page
that
it's
draft
I,
don't
I,
don't
remember
what
page
it
is
no
the
Strategic
plan.
Oh
there's
a
note
in
here
that
said
draft
somewhere.
I,
don't
remember!
Where
is
in
the
what
page
it
is,
but
we've
marked
it
draft
as
that.
This
is
required
for
gfoa
to
put
a
strategic
plan
in
there
and
we
Mark
that
draft
saying
that
this
would
be
finalized.
H
The
document
itself
will
need
to
come
back
to
council
and
you
will
need
to
finalize
that,
but
we
do
need
to
move
forward
with
the
budget.
So
if
you
would
like
to
have
a
special
session
to
finalize
that
before
the
adoption
of
the
budget,
we
could
squeeze
that
in,
but
it
is
required
to
be
included
and.
L
H
Well,
financially,
we've
done
that
Council
has
agreed
so
far.
What
you
would
like
in
the
budget
in
terms
of
the
priority
project
and
we're
going
to
go
through
the
remaining
projects
that
you've
added
to
the
budget
and-
and
that
then
is
reflected
in
the
department
budgets
and
that
funding
is
there
for
those
projects
to
get
done.
H
A
H
H
AF
C
H
H
AF
H
H
The
Professional
Services
is
the
contract
with
MCSO
and,
as
I
mentioned
earlier
in
tonight's
meeting,
we
did
not
change
that
number
to
add
any
additional
traffic
enforcement
expenses.
After
clarifying
the
current
contract,
the
town
has,
with
MCSO
through
their
Administration
and
they're,
providing
traffic
enforcement
Services
per
the
contract
now
well,.
A
H
H
E
L
H
H
The
two
of
the
firms
have
done
work
with
the
town
in
the
past
and
one
is
outside
of
the
town,
but
they
do
a
lot
of
median
work.
All
of
the
quotes
were
within
ten
thousand
dollars
separately,
not
discussed
together
or
anything.
These
were
phone
call.
This
is
what
we
have
here's
our
median.
You
can
look
on.
You
know
the
maps
and
see
see
how
many
linear
feet
so
of
the
three
firms
the
design
work
came
in
between
65
and
75
000.,
so
we
budgeted
65
000
for
the
design.
H
The
construction
costs
ran
from
five
hundred
thousand
to
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
the
construction,
the
timeline
for
all
three
firms.
They
came
back
with
generally
the
same
timeline
10
to
12
months
for
construction
time
once
the
design
is
confirmed
and
approved,
and
and
they
get
the
go
ahead
to
go
on
with
construction.
H
So
we
budgeted
three
hundred
thousand
for
this
fiscal
year
so
because
we
think
in
the
timeline,
that's
all
we're
going
to
get
done
the
process
for
the
design.
We
have
to
put
out
proposals
to
the
firms
the
firms
respond.
We
go
through
a
process
to
select
a
firm
and
then
you
know
it
goes
back
out
to
them.
H
H
That
takes
time
and
by
the
time
that's
awarded,
then
we
go
out
with
the
bid
for
the
construction.
There's
a
30-day
time
period,
minimum
that
we
put
that
out.
Then
then
those
that
are
going
to
bid
on
that
they
have
they
come
back
and
then
there's
an
award
process.
Again.
It
comes
back
to
council
and
you
have
to
approve
that.
H
So
that's
what
we
came
up
with
the
numbers,
and
that
is
where
we
came
up
with
the
timeline
and
the
estimated
300
000
for
construction
only
because
the
timeline
isn't
going
to
allow
10
to
12
months
for
construction
in
this
fiscal
year,
and
so
we
added
an
additional
300
000
for
year.
Two
in
the
Capital
Improvements.
The
capital
Improvement
budget
has
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
year,
one
and
year
two
as
a
ballpark
figure,
and
we
can
adjust
that
as
soon
as
we
have
the
the
bids
for
next
year.
L
AF
AF
This
transfer,
requested
from
the
water
infrastructure
fund
for
the
837
320
is
necessary
to
cover
Cave
Creek
Waters,
with
a
Debt
Service
Reserve
requirement
and
detailed
on
the
next
page
that
you
can
see
on
your
screen.
This
is
also
shown
on
the
bottom
of
your
Council
packet,
page
196
or
page
87
in
the
budget.
This
shows
the
ending
fund,
balance
of
Cape
Creek
Water
of
the
499
221
and
the
whiffer
reserve
requirement
of
the
million
336
and
it's
showing
that
the
fund
balance
there
is
the
negative
837
320..
W
H
Recovery
Fund
slfrf
funds
that
were
moved
from
this
fiscal
year
to
next
fiscal
year,
tied
to
that
according
to
our
Auditors,
because
we
have
all
this
Federal
money
that
we
will
be
using
towards
the
project,
we
continued
it
because
we
aren't
using
it
for
the
Phoenix
interconnect
construction
this
year,
but
we'll
use
it
next
year.
But
it
also
requires
a
single
audit.
Every
time
you
use
federal
funds
over
a
certain
dollar
amount,
it
triggers
a
single
audit
and
in
meeting
with
the
Auditors
there's
a
policy.
H
They
change
the
rules
in
2017
and
we
have
not
used
any
federal
funding
since
before
2017..
So
the
new
rules
say
that
you
have
to
have
a
policy
in
place
that
basically
States
what
the
federal
funding
procurement
process
is.
So
we
have
that
put
together
and
that's
coming
to
the
council
at
the
next
council
meeting
on
the
16th
for
your
approval.
H
Basically,
it's
recounting
exactly
what
the
what
the
process
is,
but
they
want
us
to
have
it
on
our
books
so
that
everyone's
clear
and
that's
one
of
the
requirements
for
this
single
audit
so
next
year,
when
we
do
the
construction
we'll
have
that
policy
in
place
as
well.
So
when
we
do
the
single
audit,
not
only
do
we
tick
off
all
of
the
the
procurement
process
that
we're
required,
we
have
to
have
the
policy
there
to
say.
We
know
that
we
have
to
follow
this,
this
procurement
process.
H
Smart
funds,
our
federal
we've
got
2.5
million
dollar
Grant
that
we're
going
to
get
from
one
of
the
elected
officials
at
the
federal
government.
We
know
we're
going
to
get
it
and
then
the
wifa
funding
as
well.
We
start
using
that
those
are
federal
funds,
so
those
are
all
trigger
single
audit
anyways.
So
we'll
have
this
all
in
place
by
next
year,
enjoy
okay
yeah
next
fiscal
year.
H
AF
AF
AF
The
difference
between,
but
the
budget
years
is
4
million
11
160
dollars
and
of
that
four
million
we've
got
the
listed
items
there:
streets
and
medium
and
median
enhancements
of
a
million
seven
twenty
six
hundred
and
additional
into
fire
of
860
000,
a
fleet
of
232
840
and
the
town
core
Pathways
of
200
000.,
which
those
projects
that
were
put
into
the
24
budget
total
3
million
13
440
dollars.
So
the
real
difference
between
the
general
fund
after
taking
into
account
the
three
million
dollars
in
one
time.
AF
A
AF
AF
AF
AF
The
special
Revenue
funds
make
up
four
million,
seven
hundred
and
twenty
six
thousand
five
hundred
and
four
dollars,
and
these
funds
are
restricted
for
a
specific
purpose.
So
our
special
Revenue
funds
are,
though
you
know,
are
her
funds
spur
cross
open
space
grants.
Those
are
special
Revenue
funds,
so
the
money's
in
those
funds
can
are
restricted
only
for
those
specific
purposes
and
then
the
capital
projects
funds
make
up
12
366
dollars.
AF
AF
And
then
the
last
slide
was
just
Kerry
briefly
mentioned
this,
but
I
had
it
in
here
as
the
budget.
The
next
steps
for
the
budget
process,
but
at
our
at
the
next
council
meeting
on
Tuesday
May
16th
Council,
will
consider
adoption
of
the
tentative
budget
at
that
time
and
once
that
adoption
of
the
tentative
budget
occurs,
it
caps
the
total,
budgeted
expenditures.
So
once
once
it's
adopted
expenses
expenditures
can't
be
increased
after
that
point.
Go.
H
Back
one,
so
on
the
page
before
that
that
that
first
number
the
56
million
320
629,
that's
the
budgeted
number
that
you
would
approve
are
you
would
adopt,
adopt
the
tentative
budget
and
that's
the
number
that
you
would
be
capping
it
at.
So
once
you
cap
that
you
can
never
increase
it,
but
you
don't
have
to
spend
all
the
money.
Nor
will
we
spend
all
the
money
in
the
fiscal
year
and
then
in
June
on
the
5th
is
final
budget
adoption.
That
is
actually
a
resolution
attached
to
the
resolution.
H
Adopting
the
final
budget
is
scheduled
a
well
we'll
have
all
of
the
auditor
general
forms,
but
schedule
a
has
to
be
published
with
then
we'll
have
a
public
hearing
at
that
meeting
and
you're
adopting
a
resolution
with
the
auditor
general
forms
so,
which
are
our
official
budget
forms
right.
You
won't
be
going
over
the
book
on
the
final
budget.
Adoption
you'll
be
adopting
a
resolution.
It
has
an
auditor
general
forms,
which
is
the
official
budget
that
gets
filed
with
the
Arizona
auditor
general
to
state.
F
AE
AE
I
could
probably
do
a
two
hour,
long
slideshow
presentation
on
the
issues
that
are
on
this
road,
but
I'm
just
going
to
shoot
for
the
highlights
here
at
the
March
6
council
meeting.
It
was
interesting
that
mayor
Morris
expressed
the
importance
for
Meg
and
specifically
that
they
provide
funds
for
Road
improvements.
AE
AE
2014
former
Town
engineer,
David
princeorn
advised
Town
Council
on
tally,
ho
conditions
and
advised
it
was
a
very
badly
damaged
Road.
At
one
point
he
was
also
quoted
as
saying
tandemon
taleho
roads
are
usable
for
now.
I
am
waiting
a
civil
engineers,
design
fee
estimate
for
full
pavement
reconstruction
and
these
roads,
along
which
roadside
drainage
improvements
again
in
2018
and
I
quote
Solutions
are
still
being
determined
2019.
AE
The
town
engineer
responded
in
an
email
to
a
resident
living
on
Tallyho
Drive
that
read
and
I
quote
yes,
budget
was
approved
and
there
is
money
in
the
budget
to
begin
designing
construction
of
the
roads
on
Black,
Mountain
I,
put
in
a
budget
that
will
address
all
of
the
roads
over
the
next
five
years
we
put
in
in
350k
for
this
year,
I
will
be
going
out
for
design
proposals
shortly.
Nothing
came
of
this
on
tandem
or
Tally
Ho
in
a
supplemental
budget
request
form
done
by
the
current
Town
engineer
for
fiscal
year
2019.
AE
in
regard
to
Black
Mountain
Roads.
He
wrote.
Citizens
have
complained
for
years
about
conditions
of
roads,
they
report
promises
have
been
made
and
not
kept.
Roads
are
in
disrepair
for
now,
for
the
most
part,
disrepair
is
defined
as
the
condition
of
needing
repairs,
state
of
neglect
and
dilapidation,
and
in
fact
there
have
been
years
worth
of
complaints
from
many
residents.
The
amounts
are
in
the
double
digits
on
both
upper
and
lower
Tallyho
Drive,
expressing
the
potential
for
property
damage
regarding
having
already
sustained
property
damage
and
some
expressing
safety
concerns.
AE
These
are
in
addition
to
what
you
will
also
be
hearing
tonight.
The
issues
on
this
road
have
been
disregarded
and
diminished.
I
personally
have
received
correspondence
about
this
road
and
I
quote
a
great
inconvenience
on
the
night
of
Valentine's
Day
2023,
my
husband,
who
is
in
his
60s
and
I,
spent
nearly
an
hour
in
the
dark
in
an
outdoor
temperature
of
40
degrees,
shoveling
dirt
in
the
pouring
rain.
AE
In
order
to
stop
the
water
from
flowing
into
our
yard,
coming
directly
off
of
the
road,
we
had
already
accumulated
an
inch
of
water
on
our
pavers,
and
we
had
to
try
and
stop
the
water
from
flooding
into
our
garage
and
towards
our
home.
That's
significantly
more
than
an
inconvenience.
The
road
has
continually
gotten
worse.
Until
improvements
are
made,
residents
will
continue
to
have
the
same
repeated
issues.
B
W
On
my
computer
right
now,
but
on
page
97.,
you
guys
have
350
000
in
the
budget
to
do
53rd,
Street
south
of
Allison
south
of
my
property,
that
you
guys
turned
me
down
because
you
didn't
want
traffic,
you
have
350
000
in
the
budget,
so
all
the
kids
that
go
and
drink
coffee
can
do,
drag
race
up
and
down
the
road.
But
you
didn't
do
my
project
because
you
didn't
want
you
want
I,
don't
know
why?
W
Because
it
would
have
helped
for
preservation
and
everything
else,
but
you
have
350
000
in
to
fix
a
road
to
nowhere
and
an
area
that
you
don't
want
to
develop
and
you
don't
want
it
to
be
tax
revenue
like
come
on,
fix
her
Road.
Like
did
you
read
this
I
mean
this?
Is
this
is
really
sad?
I,
don't
know
what
to
say.
It's
been
a
nice
meeting
so
far.
E
E
F
E
E
Sales
tax
that
are
accumulated
for
the
purpose
of
acquiring
land
ordinance
number
020
17-02
was
amended
May
1.
2017
to
discontinue
transfers
to
the
open
space
acquisition
fund.
The
fund
balance
in
this
fund
was
accumulated
from
transfers
prior
to
that
change.
Those
transfers
were
from
the
spur
cross,
Branch
sales
tax-
that's
where
it
should
be
funded
from
that's
where
we
should
get
back
to
I'm
asking
you.
Somebody
please
hear
me:
ask
for
this
change.
E
A
A
This
is
from
Joy
bialy,
I,
hope
I
pronounce
it
right.
My
name
is
Joy
viale
I've
lived
at
6011
East
Holly
Hill
Drive,
since
2004.
I
love,
Cave
Creek
and
was
Charmed
by
the
dirt
road
going
up
the
gorgeous
Mountain.
The
road
has
proven
to
be
anything
other
than
Charming.
Unfortunately,
the
first
range
that
came
after
I
moved
in
caused
Rushing
Water,
a
foot
deep
to
come
flying
down
the
road
bringing
Rock
dirt,
Rock
and
debris
in
torrents.
A
The
road
was
totally
decimated
with
a
huge
Gully
two
foot,
deep
obstructing
my
exit
from
my
own
driveway
I
needed
to
leave
to
go
to
work.
You
could
not.
The
Gully
remained
for
several
days
until
the
road
was
scraped.
Leaving
me
stuck
one
day
when
I
was
absolutely
had
to
leave.
My
driveway
I
attempted
to
jump
the
Gully
and
ended
up
popping
a
brand
new
tire
in
the
process.
This
scenario
has
been
endlessly
repeated.
Over
the
past
two
decades,
I
have
lived
here
with
East,
Valley,
Hill
being
a
forgotten
part
of
Cave
Creek.
A
We
deserve
much
better
proper
Danny
drainage
advantage
and
pavement
are
the
Dual
answers
and
it's
way
past
time.
For
this
road
to
be
properly
repaired,
maintained
paved
made
useful.
Thank
you.
The
next
is
from
Paul
McNutt
of
6041
East
Holly
Hill
I
have
lived
on,
tally
ho
since
2011
at
6041,
East,
Holly,
Hill
Drive
and
have
experienced
property
damage
repeatedly
due
to
lack
of
drainage
and
appropriate
maintenance
on
this
road.
The
water
from
the
connecting
Road
between
the
carriage
and
tally,
hope,
floods.
My
backyard
and
water
has
seeped.
A
In
my
home
at
least
five
times,
it
fills
my
swimming
pool
with
mud.
We
have
repeatedly
made
mitigation
efforts
to
try
to
stop
the
damage,
but
to
no
success.
I
have
also
experienced
damage
to
my
vehicle,
as
the
skirt
was
ripped
off
of
my
car.
When
road
conditions
were
exceptionally
poor,
I
attempted
to
file
a
claim
for
the
damage
to
my
vehicle.
It
was
told
by
town
and
was
told
by
Town
Personnel
that
there
was
no
point
in
filling
finally
a
claim
as
they
wouldn't
pay
it.
A
C
AE
A
H
Mayor
members
of
council
some
time
ago,
we
talked
about
this
at
a
council
meeting
and
we
are
working
on
or
we
report
it
to
the
council.
I,
don't
know
if
there's
a
public
meeting
or
if
it
was
just
in
communication
to
the
council.
We
are
doing
a
study
on
the
drainage
issue.
The
town
engineer
has
been
up
there.
It's
already
been
let
and
that
has
to
be
completed
by
the
end
of
this
fiscal
year.
H
there.
We
are
following
our
pavement
Management
program
and
we've
added
funds
for
the
current
program
for
for
the
remaining
three
years,
this
coming
fiscal
year,
24
25
and
26-
to
complete
that,
if
we're
going
to
add
projects
to
road
paving
and
the
culverts,
and
all
of
that
that
would
be
needed
up
there.
That
would
be
another
engineering,
completely
different
engineering
study
to
come
up
with
the
cost
and
add
that
to
the
budget,
and
that
could
be
quite
expensive.
H
C
H
H
The
Proposal
was
already
awarded
to
a
company,
that's
working
on
that
right
now
and
that
will
be
done
by
the
end
of
this
fiscal
year,
just
drainage
and
then
any
maintenance
to
correct
some
drainage
so
that
it's
not
going
on
to
private
property
and
keep
that
in
the
roadway
as
it
drains
downhill
would
be
part
of
the
maintenance
funds
already
budgeted
for
in
fiscal
year.
24.
X
The
reason
for
53rd
is
because
right
now
it's
one
of
the
most
heavily
traveled
dirt
roads
that
we
have,
because
it's
connecting
the
stoplight
at
Olufsen
with
the
traffic
with
the
traffic.
That's
coming
out
of
sprouts.
It's
really
the
only
place
that
somebody
can
get
back
onto
Cave
Creek
going
north
at
the
light
at
Olufsen,
so
it
it
was
moved
up
as
a
we
actually
delayed
it
a
year
in
hopes
that
some
of
the
commercial
projects
would
develop
and
that
we
could
have
them
fund
it.
X
A
We
can't
I
mean
we
have
a
dirt
road,
but
we
can't
have
the
drainage
issues
where
people
can't
get
in
and
out
so
I
mean
maintaining
what
we
have
with
the
dirt
road,
including
drainage.
So
it's
a
usable
dirt
road
are
you
talking
about.
Yes,
is,
would
seem
to
be
a
higher
priority
than
I
mean
we
have
to
do
that.
It's
made,
we
have.
We
have
to
keep
the
where
people
keep
getting
in
and
out
of
their.
A
X
Why
we
hired
a
engineering
firm
to
give
us
not
only
a
drainage
study
that
goes
between
Surrey
and
carriage,
that
includes
Surrey
tandem,
Tallyho
and
carriage,
which
are
all
all
affected
by
the
same
problem
with
the
drainage.
So
we
can
identify
those
primarily
Tandem
and
tally
ho
and
that
drainage
study
has
been
issued
to
a
firm
qualified
in
doing
drainage.
They're
also
going
to
give
us
a
typical
cross-section
and
a
way
to
transport
that
water
down
along
the
roadways,
because
it's
just
not
a
matter
of
tally
ho
East.
X
It's
also
getting
that
water
once
we
collect
it
down
to
the
Culvert
system,
that
goes
underneath
Cave
Creek
Road,
so
we
need
to.
We
need
to
collect
it
from
the
top
of
the
hill
direct
it
down
in
a
proper
manner
that
won't
affect
the
tally,
Hill,
Properties
or
the
tandem
properties,
and
find
out
what
that
width
is
going
to
be
necessary
within
our
50-foot
right-of-way,
which
will
impact
because
sometimes
tally
ho
is
only
16
feet
wide
in
places
of
usable
roads,
so
that
will
widen
out.
A
X
It
comes
in
like
I
think
it
will
than
what
we'll
be
able
to
do
is
much
like
we
did
on
56th
street
or
on
or
on
another
road
that
we
did
where
we
came
in.
We
put
culverts
under
the
driveways
to
direct
the
flows,
and
then
we
did
a
channelized
system
along
one
side
of
the
road.
But
again
we
need
to
see
what
that's
going
to
be.
We
don't
have
any
of
that
information.
We're
hopefully
going
to
have
an
initial
draft
within
the
next.
C
X
C
Understand
we're
talking
about
chip,
sealing
that
whole
whole
area.
So
when
right
as
soon
as
the
drainage
study
is,
can
you
get
the
engineers
to
take
a
look
at
what
they're
going
to
need
to
do
to
get
an
engineering
study
for
that
and
then
figure
out
what
it's
going
to
cost
to
double
chip
seal?
It
and
just
add
that
plug
into
the
budget.