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A
Yeah
everybody
say
hi
to
the
cameras.
This
is
being
streamed,
so
you
can
go
back,
I,
believe
and
watch
it
on
YouTube
after
we're
done
and
I,
don't
expect
any
excitement,
but
who
knows
we
may
have
it
first
thing
I'd
like
to
do
is
to
introduce
the
Town
Council,
the
Town
Council,
that's
here,
and
we
have
the
staff
here
today
to
meet
you
first
of
all,
vice
mayor
Catherine,
Marie
thank.
A
You
Ernie
bunch
council,
member
Tom,
McGuire,
council,
member
Tom,
augerton
council,
member
Paul,
ilkema
and
Dusty
Rhodes
he's
got
the
best
name
in
town
I'd,
also
like
to
introduce
the
the
staff
who
are
here
today.
First
of
all,
our
town
manager,
who
is
coming
up
on
25
years
of
service
to
the
town
in
March,
Terry
Direct.
A
A
I
put
the
engineers
last
because
I'm
an
engineer
too.
So
this
is
the
first
I
know
of
of
a
meeting
like
this.
It's
meant
to
be
very
informal,
we're
not
going
to
have
timers
or
we
are
going
to
have
some
minutes,
but
they'll
be
very
very
brief,
because
we
want
to
open
the
lines
of
communication
with
the
business
community
in
town
and
that's
what
this
meeting
is
primarily
directed
to.
A
So
the
structure
is
going
to
be
that
I'm
going
to
to
talk
for
a
while
and
tell
you
what's
going
on
in
town
what
the
issues
are
a
little
bit
of
where
the
town
has
been
where
we're
headed.
Is
this
working?
Okay
am
I.
Can
you
all
hear
okay
and
then
we'll
have
a
time
for
some
questions
that
would
be
of
interest
to
everybody.
D
A
A
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
say
that
that
the
merchant
and
business
success
is
the
town's
success.
We
don't
have
a
property
tax,
we
get
some
money
from
the
state
through
shared
funds,
but
the
majority
of
the
money
in
town
that
runs
the
town
comes
through
sale
and
we
have
about
a
oh.
This
is
called
a
13
million
dollar
general
fund
that
doesn't
include
the
water
companies
or
some
of
the
spur
across
funds,
and
things
like
that.
But
the.
F
A
A
A
And
water
has
been
a
big
issue
in
this
town
for
quite
some
time,
we
bought
the
water
companies
and
we
are
on
the
trajectory
to
have
that
problem
area.
Straightened
out.
We've
taken
care
of
much
of
the
Deferred
maintenance,
you've
seen
trucks
working
on
sewers,
you've
seen
it
working
on
the
Water
System
you've
seen
we
have
new
equipment
in
the
Water
Treatment
Plant.
A
We
have
a
nine
plus
million
dollar
project
which
we're
Sean,
yeah,
nine,
plus
million
dollar
project
a
backup
source
of
water,
because,
right
now,
if
a
car
hits
one
of
the
four
pump
stations
along
Cave
Creek
Road,
we
are
out
of
business
and
water,
so
that
is
a
high
priority
with
us
is
getting
a
secure
water
system.
My
what
I
say
about
the
water
is
number
one.
Is
safety
we've
got
to
have
safe
water?
A
One
of
the
really
good
things
that
we
learned
Monday
night
and
I
have
to
thank
the
vice
mayor
for
taking
the
lead
on
this
project
is
water
banking?
We
were
told
at
the
council
meeting.
Excuse
me
Tuesday
night,
that
the
town
now
has,
after
less
than
a
year,
we
have
a
Year's
worth
of
water
stored
out
in
the
West
Valley
for
a
a
dire
emergency.
We
can't
get
to
it,
but
it's
out
there
underground,
and
so,
if
things
really
get
bad,
we
will
have
that
to
fall
back
foreign.
A
We
also
bought
some
water,
mainly
for
Desert
Hills,
but
we
also
bought
some
water
last
year,
so
the
water
system
is
well
on
the
way
towards
being
fixed.
The
other
thing
is,
we
have
a
drought
plan
now
and
it
it
goes
all
the
way
from
where
we
are
today
down
to
a
70
drop.
We
don't
expect
to
ever
put
that
into
effect,
but
we're
planning
for
the
future
for
the
worst
scenario,
and
so
that
drought
plan
is
being
implemented.
A
Next
year
we
have
a
high
priority
of
water,
and
seventy
percent
of
the
water
in
Arizona
goes
to
farms
and
that
farming
use
is
on
the
decline
very
rapidly
as
the
state
grows
and
that
water
is
being
diverted
over
into
the
in
the
cities
and
towns
and
the
new
chip
plant
that
new
chip
plant
out
there
11
000
acre
feet
of
water
per
year,
which
Our
Town
uses
two
thousand.
So
that's
the
equivalent
of
of
what
five
cave
Creeks
going
in
out
there
and
they
say
they're
water
efficient.
A
A
lot
of
the
effort.
The
last
two
years
has
been
on
the
fire
and
emergency
system.
If
you've
been
here
long,
you
probably
saw
the
the
smoke
and
if
you
were
like
me,
you
were
evacuated
and
and
Bruce
Bruce
and
I
were
evacuated,
so
fire
safety
and
Emergency
Services
has
been
on
the
top
of
the
burner
out
of
that
12
13
million
dollar
budget.
A
We
have
committed
to
spending
five
million
of
that,
which
is
over
40
percent
on
fire
and
emergency,
and
we
did
it
without
putting
in
a
property
tax
and
we
saved
the
people
in
town
who
were
paying
rural
petrol,
including
some
very
big
numbers.
We
saved
them
the
fees
that
they
were
paying.
So
that's
a
real
win.
A
A
A
The
Sonoran
Desert,
the
Western
Vibe,
the
the
walkability,
the
open
space
we
have
a
third
of
the
town
is
open
space.
This
is
northern
desert
and
we
just
bought
some
more
of
this.
Last
year
we
bought
another
a
couple
Parcels
up
on
up
spur
across,
so
that
are
high
level,
so
that
preserved
a
lot
of
views
down
there,
and
that
was
a
joint
project
with
Maricopa
County
and
the
Sonoran
Desert
Land
Trust,
so
that
the
three
worked
together
very
well.
A
A
Thank
you
in
the
metropolitan
area,
can
you
find
a
town
like
Cave,
Creek
and
I
am
committed
and
I
know
the
council
is
committed
to
protecting
what
we
have
and
keeping
it
and
passing
on
to
Future
Generations
along
those
lines
we
have
the
leaders
of
two
organizations
in
Tampa
and
one
of
my
may
as
well.
The
town
is
run
by
volunteers.
Everybody
appears
to
volunteer.
I
D
J
F
You
know
and
I
know
this
year
for
the
parade,
we're
already
about
70
some
entries
already,
and
we
have
like
five
non-profits
from
Cave
Creek,
it's
in
the
parade
where
we
didn't
have
in
the
past,
because
we
we're
all
about
community
and
I'll
go
through
the
different
agenda
things,
but
we
talked
about
voluntourism
I
apologize
here.
We
with
our
Manning
charts
this
year
coming
up.
It
takes
160
volunteers
to
put
on
the
rodeo
the
parade
and
the
other
activities
we
have
that
week.
F
So
we
we
obviously
need
volunteers,
we've
gone
them
in
the
past,
because
the
community
is
very
strong
behind
this.
This
event,
these
events,
excuse
me,
but
one
of
the
two
things
that
this
board
really
emphasized
and
we're
going
to
hear
more
about.
It
is
economic
impact
which
affects
all
the
business
people
in
this
room
as
well
as
the
other
word
is
fun.
F
F
Talk
and
the
results
of
the
city
anyways,
so
as
a
community,
we
need
to
come
together
this
year.
We
instead
of
having
just
four
events.
We
have
12
different
events.
We
brought
in
the
Native
American
culture,
which
I
think
is
a
very
big
culture
to
bring
into
the
The
Cave
Creek
area.
We
have
our
pageant,
which
we
just
finished.
We.
F
And
teen
queen
and
I
want
to
emphasize.
If
you
have
any
event
at
your
business
establishment,
please
reach
out
to
the
rodeo.
The
Queens
are
there
to
help.
You
promote
your
business,
that's
a
service
they
do.
They
have
to
do
so
much
so
many
hours
of
community
service.
So
please,
if
you
do
that
in
your
business,
reach
out
to
the
rodeo
to
help
you
there.
Also
the
when
I
we
hit
with
the
events
with
the
Parade
starting
on
the
18th.
We
have
the
parade.
K
L
F
E
F
F
F
It's
free,
so
right,
okay,
well
depends
when
the
offering
goes
around
I
guess,
but
so,
with
all
that
being
said,
I
know
I
only
had
like
five
minutes
and
I
kind
of
talked
too
long,
but
I
just
want
to
emphasize
that
the
rodeo
is
a
community
event.
The
parade
is
the
largest
community
event
the
The
Cave
Creek
puts
on,
and
we
want
to
make
it
bigger,
and
we
have
a
great
City
staff,
which
we've
already
met.
F
D
F
M
I,
don't
know:
do
you
want
to
hear
this
voice?
I
have
a
great
voice
for
radio
right
and
I
have
a
great
phrase
not
for
TV,
but
for
radio
right.
So
I
am
going
to
join
your
your
team
right.
Do
you
sound
like
you're
doing
too
much
now?
If
we
donate
our
time,
can
we
do
just
one
event,
because
I
don't
want
to
do
like
every
day
be
with
you?
I,
like
you
sounds
like
you
like
the
city
I
like
towns,
mayor
I've,
got
a
question
for
you.
Shouldn't.
M
I
know
I'm,
like
don't
give
me
the
mic.
Let's
do
this
I,
also
we're
opening
a
business
across
the
street
Escape
Source,
hopefully
God
willing
it
will
work
with
that
said.
Do
you
know
how
many
people
you
need
in
a
town
to
make
a
city
Oh,
no
you're,
the
mayor,
50
000.,
found
that
out
from
the
town
of
queen
or
no
the
town
of
Maricopa,
they
became
a
city
at
I,
think
it's
50
or
55
000..
Let's
do
some
research
on
that
guys
home
now.
F
So
answer
your
question:
no,
if
you
volunteered
just
one
shift,
if
whatever
you're,
if
you
go
online
or
website,
okay,
if
you
see
what
you
want
to
do,
you
want
to
maybe
volunteer
in
the
back
pens.
You
don't
have
to
clean
the
Stalls
just
to
help
out
back
here,
okay
or
the
VIP
area,
or
security
parking
as
or
even
a
marshall.
Well
parade
Marshall,
not
part
of
the
city,
Marshals
parade
Marshall
for
the
committee,
just
pick
what
you
like
and
then
we'll
contact
you.
F
F
F
We
are
a
501c3,
the
Sky
Box
is
gone,
I,
don't
know
if
you
get
out
there,
Mother
Nature
didn't
work
well
with
it
and
it
had
to
be
tore
down
okay,
so
we
do
not
have
a
Sky
Box
this
year,
but
with
our
strategic
plan
each
year
we
give
so
much
to
Charities,
but
I.
Think
in
the
last
four
years
it's
been
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
we've
given
to
local
charities.
Okay
and
our
other
strategic
plan
is
to
redevelop
and
to
work
with
the
city
on
that
Sky
Box
and
because
everything.
F
We
call
it
I
know.
Bob
understands
is
mayor.
Morris
excuse
me
return
on
investment,
okay.
What
we
do
we
need
to
make
sure
we
put
more
stands
up.
How
long
is
it
going
to
take
before
we
get
our
money
back?
Put
a
new
Skybox
up
how
many
seating
or
VIPs
to
pay
for
that
Sky
box
once
we
put
it
up
so
this
this
board
right
now
we
had
seven
we're
up
to
nine
because
we're
doing
a
lot
of
things
with
our
truji
plan
by
next
year.
F
N
F
A
A
Needs
sponsors
too,
and
so,
if,
if
you
have
any
ID,
you
might
want
to
sponsor
you
get
your
name,
there's
all
sorts
of
different
levels
to
be
to
sponsor.
So
I
really
encourage
you
to
get
hold
of
rodeo.
If
you
can't
volunteer,
maybe
you
want
to
sponsor
something:
please
do
that.
It
brings
a
lot
of
people
to
town
and
people.
A
I
worked
security
where
I
was
taking
tickets
and
I
was
amazed
that
people
come
here
from
Europe
and
go
to
our
little
rodeo
as
part
of
the
as
part
of
the
tour.
It
really
is
a
worldwide
event.
In
many.
In
many
cases,
I
was
doing
all
that
bragging
about
the
fire
department
and
I
made
one
mistake:
I
didn't
introduce
the
the
fellow
who
started
it
up
for
us.
A
E
A
R
Thank
you
good
morning
upper
buddy
and
thank
you
Mayor
Bob,
for
inviting
me
this
year
and
wow.
This
is
wonderful.
What
a
turnout
I'm
excited!
Yes,
one
of
the
things
I
enjoy
most
doing
is
volunteering
for
the
town.
Many
of
you
probably
received
the
Cave
Creek
Corner
newsletter
that
I
do
monthly
and
I'm.
Also
the
coordinator
over
at
the
Taurus
Imperial
I,
don't
have
a
business
of
my
own,
but
I
love.
R
This
town
I've
been
here
for
over
20
years
and
I
love
all
our
businesses
and
I,
as
well
as
the
28
other
volunteers
that
work
over
at
the
tourism.
Bureau
love
love
promoting
our
businesses.
We
get
right
now
during
season
we're
getting
people
from
all
over
the
country
from
all
over
the
world
countries
coming
in
that
worked
out
like
wow
and
want
you
to
know
it's
a
free
service
of
the
town
of
Cave
Creek.
For
you
guys
for
us,
you
know
a
few
Merchants,
so
please
take
advantage
of
us.
R
D
R
S
R
O
R
See
us
this
year,
Mike
parade
Mike.
This
is
the
first
time
that
the
tourist
bureau
will
have
an
entry
in
the
parade
and
we're
really
excited
about
that
and
so
yeah
over
at
the
desk.
Also,
our
business
cards
I
didn't
happen
to
get
one
to
you
and
questions.
Anybody
have
any
questions
about
the
tourism
Bureau.
H
R
R
Year
we
did
a
concierge
tour
and
had
oh
concierge
representatives
from
all
over
the
valley.
We've
rented-
and
this
was
all
supported.
The
town
was
wonderful,
supporting
us
on
this
and
we
rented
a
20
passenger
bus
and
spent
the
whole
day
driving
the
concierge
group
around
town,
telling
them
all
about
our
town,
all
about
our
Merchants,
just
a
wonderful
way
for
them
to
get
to
know.
Cave
Creek,
because
you
know
guys.
Cave
Creek
is
a
Hidden.
F
R
There
are
people
living
in
the
valley
that
don't
know
we
exist
up
here
and
honestly,
that's
still
the
truth,
and
so
getting
the
word
out
so
that
they
can
come
up
and
visit
us
and
enjoy
everything
you
guys
have
to
offer
is
what
it's
all
about,
and
over
at
the
tourism
Bureau
we
enjoy.
What
we
do
in
helping
to
promote
you
guys
Financial.
R
A
Thank
you,
David
she's
been
doing
this
a
long
time
and
very
very
well
so
we're
going
to
break
up
in
a
few
minutes,
but
I
have
two
more
issues
on
here:
we're
going
to
give
the
chance
to
to
people
on
Council
to
say
something
if
they'd
like
to.
If
they
have
something
they'd
like
to
bring
up
about
the
town
or
about
business,
but
I'd
like
you
to
consider
supporting
both
the
rodeo
and
and
the
visitors
bureau,
they're
they're,
they're,
they're
really
Community
assets
that
help
all
of
us
and
so
support
them.
A
The
rodeo
is
going
to
sell
out
again
this
year,
I
I'm,
almost
sure
people
so
longer
term.
This
is
one
the
real
reason
you're
here
consider
organizing
many
of
you
don't
attend
Town
Council
meetings
a
lot
of
times.
Nobody
attends
account
a
council
meeting,
but
I
I
hope
I
hope
to
see
that
the
Cave
Creek
specific
Merchants
Merchants,
consider
organizing
for
a
couple
reasons.
One
is
to
have
an
impactful
voice
in
town
hall.
We
have
a
lot
of
codes.
We
have
codes
for
Dark
Skies.
We
have
codes
for
signage.
We
have.
A
We
have
codes
for
other
things.
We
have
problems
with
water
and
sewer
all
those
things
that
that
you
deal
with,
and
we
hope
that
you
will
weigh
in
on
those
issues
and
other
issues
that
you
might
have
in
town.
One
thing
so
we
know
what
you
think:
I
have
never
had
in
my
time,
I'm,
trying
to
think
as
time
was
Council
but
I
know
for
mayor
I've.
Never
had
anybody
from
business,
say:
hey!
There's
this
problem
going
on
in
town:
oh
there's,
one
person
in
the
room
that
did
where's
she.
A
Miss
Ellie,
oh
there
she's
she's
hiding
back
there,
but
if,
if
you've,
please
bring
issues
up
we're
here
to
serve
the
town,
the
volunteers,
the
town
staff
so
be
become
active,
I,
I
hope,
I'd
really
like
to
see
another
Merchants
organization.
I'll
tell
you
a
flat
out.
We
had
one
years
ago
it
put
on
events
and
parades
in
town
and
it
died
out.
I'd
love
to
have
something
like
that
happen
again.
That
could
represent
the
business
interests
and
organize
other
events
that
that
benefit.
A
A
Pedestrian
safety
is
a
huge
issue.
In
town
we
just
had
a
meeting
with
the
Maricopa
County
Association
of
governments.
Here
we're
talking
partly
about
pedestrian
studies.
We
have
an
incident
of
high
incidence
of
pedestrian
accidents
in
town
and
we're
going
to
do
some
things
to
solve
that
problem.
We
have
to
safety
is
the
top
priority
and
it
was
when
we
put
the
fire
department
in
and
it
is
on
pedestrian
safety
and
traffic
safety
too.
A
Speeding
in
town,
we
have
a
difficult
time
getting
the
sheriff's
department
to
enforce
that.
They've
got
some
issues
with
regard
to
courts
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff
and
my
advice
to
them.
That's
your
problem.
Go
fix
it.
We
just
want
to
have
the
enforcement
of
town.
The
average
speed
in
town
needs
to
drop,
especially
on
Kate
Creek
Road,
which
is
where
these
real
safety
is
I,
don't
know
of
any
other
streets
in
town
that
have
a
safety
issue,
but
Cave
Creek
Road
does
I'm
sorry
house.
A
A
The
next
thing
is
the
legislature
in
their
wisdom,
they've
decided
that
to
propose
a
bill
that
hasn't
passed,
yet
it's
not
the
governor's
office
that
would
reduce
and
prohibit
sales
tax
on
food
for
home
consumption.
It's
not
restaurant
food,
but
it's
food
for
home
consumption,
so
it'd
be
Walmart
Walmart's
here
today
by
the
way,
welcome
and
that
that's
where
the
fire
department
comes
from
and
my
message
to
the
state
legislatures
was
it's
not
a
tax
cut.
It's
a
tax
transfer,
I,
don't
know
how
we
pay
for
this.
A
You
can't
spend
forty
four
five
million
dollars
out
of
a
12
billion
dollar
general
fund,
but
you
got
to
have
some
money
from
somewhere
and
if
they
cut
into
that,
then
we've
got
to
go
back
to
work
and
it
it
may
be
that
the
the
answer
is
a
a
property
tax
and
that
takes
a
vote.
But
I
didn't
want
to
have
the
vote.
So
if
you
know
a
state
legislature
tell
them
you're
against
that
prohibition
of
sales
tax
on
food
for
home
consumption.
A
Another
issue:
that's
on
the
horizon.
We
have
a
brand
here
and
we
have
dark
skies
that
many
in
town
would
like
to
see
a
dark
sky,
designation
for
the
town
and
I
think
the
business
Community.
One
of
the
reasons
this
meeting
is
you
need
to
think
about
those
things
and
you're
building
your
brand
with
a
dark
sky,
because
towns
like
Flagstaff
and
Sedona
and
Fountain
Hills,
have
that
and
some
other
very
there's,
only
a
dozen
or
so
20s
Spirit
six
in
the
state.
A
Finally,
the
thing
that
I
mean
everyone's
heard
about
the
water
companies
and
deferred
maintenance-
and
we
had
so
so
much
work
and
Sean-
has
has
been
the
impetus
behind
that
John
Cruz
weisneros
up
here,
the
water,
here's,
the
fellow
that
has
gotten
us
out
of
the
ditch
on
that
road
maintenance
we're
in
a
ditch
too
literally
the
roads.
You
came
down
the
Schoolhouse,
Road
or
other
places.
The
roads
needed
a
lot
of
work.
A
We've
got
eight
miles
of
dirt
roads
in
town
still,
the
EPA
does
not
like
dirt
roads,
because
our
area
is
out
of
compliance
on
Dust
a
pm10,
so
we
are
crossing
our
fingers.
We
don't
have
to
do
something,
but
we've
got
to
keep
the
roads
maintained
and
that
so
much
money
has
gone
into
the
water
companies.
In
the
past
we
can
see
the
the
light
at
the
end
of
the
tunnel
on
the
loans
that
originally
set
those
water
companies
up.
A
A
C
So
I'm
Dusty
Rhodes
I'm,
newly
elected
councilman.
What
I
would
like
to
see
out
of
this
meeting
is:
have
you
communicate
with
us?
We're
not
mind
readers?
If
you
can
tell
us
what
issues
you're
worried
about
and
what
things
we
can
do
to
help
in
a
general
sense
drive
your
business
drive
people
to
your
businesses.
C
O
Good
morning,
Tom
McGuire
I
see
a
lot
of
familiar
faces
out
there.
Others
I
hope
to
become
more
familiar
with.
We've
been
joking
about
the
difference
between
a
town
and
a
city,
and
what
we
want
to
have
is
the
kind
of
community
that
one
sees
in
a
town.
We
want
to
be
economically
successful,
but
we
want
the
town
to
continue
to
grow
with
a
feeling
of
ownership
of
the
businesses
and
the
community
and
to
bring
those
two
together.
That's
what
we're
here
for.
N
Well,
some
of
y'all
might
know
me
I
kind
of
sat
in
this
middle
seat
up
here
for
about
six
years
and
on
this
Dias
for
almost
18
now
and
My.
Philosophy
has
always
been
as
far
as
the
government
and
businesses.
We
need
to
get
out
of
your
way
and
let
you
do
what
you
do
the
best
and
we'll
all
be
we'll
all
be
better
off
for
it.
I
still
believe
that.
G
G
So
if
you
have
thoughts
about
that,
if
you
own
a
building
in
this
town
that
could
become
a
local
Landmark
I
want
to
hear
from
you,
so
we
can
get
that
bronze
plaque
with
your
history
and
that
QR
code.
That
says
this
is
important
to
the
iconic
quality
of
Cave
Creek.
It's
a
very
special
place
and
I
think
you
all
know
that
appreciate
it.
B
Good
morning
and
thank
you
all
for
being
here
we're
very
happy
to
see
this
turnout.
We
do
believe
that
it's
really
important
for
us
to
continue
to
build
our
relationships
with
our
local
Merchants,
because
we
rely
on
you
just
as
much
as
you
rely
on
us
for
keeping
this
town
beautiful
and
clean
and
safe
I
ran
for
Council
in
2018,
and
this
is
not
a
campaign
pitch.
B
You
know
either
positively
or
negatively
that
we
need
to
work
on.
So
my
two
areas
of
primary
concern
are
water,
the
water
supply,
protecting
our
water
supply
for
the
future
and
making
sure
that
people
know
who
we
are
and
what
we're
doing.
And
so,
if
you
see
my
posts
and
the
Sonora
News
is
here
too
we're
grateful
for
the
coverage
that
they
give
this
town,
it's
really
important
for
people
to
know
how
and
why
we
make
the
decisions
that
we're
making.
T
G
U
Everybody
thank
you
for
coming.
This
is
very
exciting
for
me
that
everybody
is
in
the
room
and
my
understanding
is
that
you're
going
to
break
up,
maybe
a
few
questions
and
then
you're
going
to
break
up
into
smaller
groups,
and
that's
fine,
but
I
suggest
that
everybody
here
everybody
doesn't
know
each
other.
All
business
owners
I
would
like
to
know
the
names
of
the.
U
V
Y
H
K
I
AB
Q
AD
AA
W
F
Z
K
Z
X
T
M
E
E
AG
Yeah,
so
you
might
have
noticed,
we've
actually
been
doing
some
sewer
cleaning
in
the
town
core
so
and
we
actually,
we
rushing
it
to
start
an
odor
study
up
in
that
area.
So
we're
not
sure
why,
because
the
lines
are
clear,
Downstream
of
that
when
we
did
some
work
last
year,
the
owners
seemed
to
have
gone
away,
but
they
seem
to
have
come
back
so
we're
actually
going
to
bring
a
consultant
in
to
evaluate
what
actually
is
going
on
there
and
what
we
can
do.
AG
So
we've
been
more
proactive
with
trying
to
clean
the
lines.
People
might
have
noticed
the
other
week.
We
actually
did
clog
up
traffic
a
little
bit
on
the
north
side
of
Cave
Creek
Road,
as
we
were
cleaning
that
main
sewer
line.
So
we're
trying
to
be
more
proactive
with
that
stuff,
but
that
specific
location
is
one
that
it's
perplexing
us
we're
going
to
bring
in
outside
consultant
and
help
us
clarify
what
we
can
do.
A
Now,
if,
if
you
really
want
some
excitement,
you
come
to
town
counseling,
we
get
a
lot
of
pictures
from
inside
the
sewer
you
think
we
see
the
before
and
the
after.
We
have
done
a
lot
and
Sean's
group
has
done
a
tremendous
amount
towards
increasing
the
reliability
and
the
way
everything
flows.
So
so
now
we're
in
the
question
time.
So
we
have
some
other
questions
that
might
be
yeah
and
we're
going
to
have
some
food
here.
Just
a
second
other
questions
that
people
might
have
of
general
interest.
AH
I
think
this
Appliance
to
everybody,
water
right
I
mean
everybody
that
water
is
a
big
issue
for
us.
Sean
and
I
have
talked
at
length,
but
the
price
increase
I
know
is
coming
I've,
seen
all
the
calculations
so
on
and
so
forth.
It
probably
doesn't
affect
everybody
as
much
as
us.
So
what
kind
of
price
increase
are
we
looking
at
next
year
year
after
so
on
and
so
forth?.
A
Well,
it's
a
pretty
hefty
price
increase
this
year
because
the
the
town
can
no
longer
with
the
fire
department.
The
town
can
no
longer
afford
to
subsidize
it,
but
we've
done
and
we
lost
a
tremendous
amount
of
Revenue
when
the
Carefree
customers
went
to
their
system.
That
alone
is
worth
20
bucks
a
month
on
the
average
number
of
accounts
we
have.
So
that
was
a
huge
hit.
So.
D
D
A
AG
Okay,
so
last
year,
when
we
did
the
rate
study,
Council
was
actually
authorized
as
and
we
have
it,
we
can
have
it
I
think
it's
on
the
website,
but
it's
we
can
send
some
more
information
out.
We
actually
have
six
years
worth
of
rate
increases
this
year
in
Cave,
Creek
I
think
the
average
was
about
12
I,
believe
it
was,
and
then
the
next
Scott
subsequently
years
it's
about
five
percent.
That
is
overall,
so
it
depends
if
you're
a
low
water
user.
AG
You
actually
won't
have
that
much
of
a
rate
increase
it's
more
than
mid
to
high
water
users.
So
we
actually
do
have
that
information.
In
our
case,
Andy
we
can
talk.
We've
talked
about
another
thing:
I
can
offer
up
to
business.
Is
we're
trying
to
increase
our
metering
into
town
core
to
get
better
and
more
accurate
information
to
the
to
the
the
customers?
AG
So
you
can
see
information
more
closely
to
the
actual
usage,
so
you
can
actually
understand
if
you
have
a
leak
before
we
actually
send
you
a
bill
six
weeks
later
and
that
leak's
been
active
and
the
other
thing
we're
trying
to
do
is
we
can
talk,
because,
with
the
way
water
policy
set
up
is
we
can
talk?
If
you
do
not
have
a
separate
meter
for
say
outdoor
irrigation,
we
can
talk
about
that
which
will
allows
for
things
like
separation.
Out
of
your
sewer
usage,
commercial
customers
are
charged
for
sewer
usage.
AG
You
get
first,
ten
thousand
gallons
you're
not
charged
on
for
water
usage
about
ten
thousand
gallons.
We
charge
you
a
proportional
share
of
that
water.
We
assume
it's
going
back
to
the
sewer
system,
so
if
you
don't
have
a
separate
meter
for
your
outdoor
irrigation,
if
you
have
one,
we
can
actually
talk
about
that
and
get
one
installed
and
separately
meter
use,
so
we're
trying
to
be
proactive
to
help
with
the
the
the
customers,
but
the
costly
operation
has
gone
up.
The
cost
of
the
raw
cap
water
continues
to
go
up.
AG
AG
A
The
actual
hit,
if
they
pass,
that
ban,
is
one
and
a
half
million
dollars
per
year
on
a
12
million
dollars.
So
it's
budget
so
we'll
have
to
see
if
we
can,
we've
been
pretty
Innovative
in
the
past
that
finding
ways
to
not
charge
as
much
as
things
are
costing
to
be
more
efficient,
but
that
may
be
too
big
a
hit.