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From YouTube: 06 Mar 2023 Regular Cave Creek Town Council meeting
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Second,
is
that
intrusive
legislation
continues
this
this
this
session
of
the
House
of
Representatives
in
the
Senate
I.
Can
it's
an
attack
on
cities
and
towns?
It's
just
unbelievable.
We've
got
two
additional
items
on
the
agenda
tonight
to
deal
with
that
we
are
working
through
the
the
league
of
Arizona
cities
and
towns,
mainly
they're
the
ones
that
do
our
lobbying
for
us.
Although
some
of
us
have
been
down
lobbying
our
legislatures
personally,
because
these
things
are
will
attack
both
our
revenue
and
our
ability
to
Zone.
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Okay
and
finally,
we're
working
with
cap
to
see
if
we
can
get
some
support
with
with
Senator
Kelly's
office,
some
more
push
behind
getting
some
more
funds
to
help
us
with
our
Phoenix
interconnect
project,
the
staff
Kerry
and
vice
mayor
Roy
are
working
on
that
and
with
that
we
will
go
roll
call.
Please
I
mean
coach
today.
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Good
evening,
mayor
vice
mayor
and
council
members,
on
behalf
of
the
Cave
Creek
Museum
board
of
directors,
volunteers
I
wanted
to
express
our
thanks
for
your
attendance
to
our
groundbreaking
ceremony
at
the
end
of
February.
It
was
emotional
and
very
well
attended
and
I
hope
you
will
follow
the
progress
as
we
go
forward
and
thank
you
all
for
your
support.
Okay,.
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The
vice
mayor
prepared
a
letter
and
set
that
off
to
cap,
requesting
a
letter
of
support,
we'll
be
seeking
one
from
the
mayor
of
City
of
Phoenix
and
others,
and
we
hope
to
be
successful
in
this
highly
competitive
process
more
locally.
We
have
a
new
video
library
that
we've
just
established
and
we
have
our
first
two
videos.
We
will
be
sending
out
to
our
social
media
and
we'll
be
available
online.
F
The
first
has
to
do
with
the
Cave
Creek
boundaries.
We
get
a
lot
of
questions
about
who
lives
in
Cave,
Creek,
Cave,
Creek
addresses,
aren't
necessarily
in
the
town,
and
we
get
a
lot
of
calls
daily,
actually
still
all
these
years,
and
so
this
will
help
with
that
sort
of
educational
material.
There's
another
one
about
the
town
and
our
zoning
districts
and
what
they
mean,
what
each
category
means
and
where
they
are.
F
We
have
prepared
a
newsletter
from
the
town
that
should
be
in
your
mailboxes
the
first
week
in
April
that
contains
a
QR
code,
which
will
also
be
on
on
our
website
for
the
Wildland
fire
survey.
We
put
one
out
about
a
year
and
a
half
or
so
ago,
maybe
two
years
ago
and
we'd
like
to
follow
up
on
on
how
we
are
doing
in
with
our
fire
service
and
prevention
of
of
Wildland
fires
in
the
town.
F
Let's
see
what
else
we've
got
the
brush
drop
off
our
first
one,
this
season,
this
Saturday
March
11th
down
at
the
wastewater
treatment
property
on
Carefree
Highway.
It
begins
at
eight
o'clock
and
we're
open
there
to
until
noon
and
there's
no
cost
to
residents
of
the
town
of
Cave
Creek.
So
we're
encouraging
you
to
sort
of
clean
up
your
property
and
have
proper,
defensible
space
because
the
the
Fire
season
you
know
the
dry
season
is
upon
us,
so
I
think
that's
everything
I
think
I
missed
mayor
I.
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G
F
Should
have
had
that
already
I
sent
in
two
emails
actually
to
finalize
that
up,
so
we
need
to
get
that
back
because
we
have
budget
coming
and
it's
all
our
budget
is
based
on
the
Strategic
plan
and
how
we're
Meeting
those
goals.
So
it's
really
important
to
get
that
back
soon,
so
we
will
get
it
and
it'll
be
shared
with
the
council.
Thank
you.
H
Is
usually
the
one
to
talk
about
this,
but
it's
Globe
chamomile
we've
had
a
good
winter
of
precipitation.
There's
a
lot
of
vegetation
growing,
particularly
the
globe.
Chamomile,
it's
a
special
problem,
but
it
is
a
fire
hazard
and
we
saw
that
back
in
2020
the
way
that
the
little
chamomile
once
it
dries
out.
It's
almost
like
having
matchsticks
in
your
yard,
so
be
aware
that
this
is
a
special
danger
for
fires.
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D
Good
evening
mayor
and
Council,
yes,
we
took
bids
from
three
different
vendors
for
equivalent
size
backhoes
that
will
be
shared
between
Public,
Works
and
utilities.
The
case
backhoe
ended
up
being
the
most
cost
effective
Forest.
They
also
we're
going
to
take
our
1993
backhoe
in
for
a
trade-in
which
basically
pays
the
taxes
on
it
and
so
that
yeah
I
will
be
here
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have.
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All
right
motion
carry
7-0
Council
discussion,
approval
resolution,
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2023-02
resolution
of
the
mayor
and
Town
Council,
the
town
of
Cape
Creek
Maricopa
County
Arizona,
declaring
the
certain
document
filed
with
the
town
clerk
entitled
short-term
rental,
public
health
and
safety
protections
as
a
public
record
pursuant
to
ARS
9-802.
Does
anybody
know
what
that
little
squiggly
is.
J
K
Thank
you,
mayor
members
of
council,
I,
actually
informed
Bill
earlier
that
he
would
be
he
would
be
presenting
this.
These
cases
related
to
the
town
code.
The
first
obviously,
is
the
resolution
and
the
the
reason
we
do
a
resolution
in
front
of
an
ordinance
is
so
that
we're
declaring
it
a
public
record.
So
we
don't
have
to
pay
to
run
a
a
full
newspaper
of
all
the
text
and
everything
with
it.
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L
Hand
in
hand
the
resolution
pending
is
to
actually
go
through
the
text,
so
this
would
be
an
appropriate
time
to
discuss
the
test
and
then,
if
you
agree,
then
you
would
adopt
the
text
as
a
public
record
and
then
you
would
approve
it
in
the
ordinance.
What
that
means
is
you
don't
have
to
take
all
these
pages
and
publish
them
in
the
paper?
That's
why
we
do
two
steps.
L
As
cities
and
towns
were
trying
to
regulate
short-term
rentals,
the
legislature
stepped
in
as
you
described,
Mr
Mayor.
Our
legislature
is
very,
very
assertive,
sometimes
and
throughout
the
legislation
that
made
it
almost
impossible
to
regulate
short-term
rentals.
Their
argument
was
a
short-term
rental
is
a
residential
use.
They
should
be
treated
like
any
residence.
You
don't
impose
these
requirements
when
I
rent
my
house,
therefore
you
can
impose
the
requirements
now.
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L
Can
write,
oh
sorry,
can
right
can
can
write
a
letter
to
the
AG
and
if
the
AG
believes
it
might
have,
some
Merit
can
threaten
to
take
the
all
the
state
shared
revenue
from
that
jurisdiction.
Well,
that
happens
to
Sedona
Sedona
tried
to
draft
an
ordinance
worked
with
a
really
really
rigorously
and
we're
going
to
go
through
the
provisions
in
your
code
that
I
think
work
and
they
decided
it
wasn't
worth
the
risk
of
losing
their
state
shared
Revenue.
L
Thankfully,
there's
been
some
at
the
legislature
beginning
to
to
combat
the
rbo
lobby,
and
there
was
legislation
drafted
last
in
2022.
that
is
actually
quite
good
and
and
what
and
other
jurisdictions
Scottsdale
and
Fountain
Hills
have
both
tried
it
Fountain
Hills
was
was
challenged
on
the
same
type
of
tactic.
That
Sedona
was
challenged
and
the
AG
blessed
it,
and
so
they
really
gave
us
a
variety
of
ways
that
we
we
you,
can
control
short-term
rentals
and
protect
the
neighbors
I'll
walk
through.
This
really
is
a
pretty
very
I.
Think
a
good.
H
L
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L
For
example,
this
is
a
great
one.
One
jurisdiction
had
really
poor
cell
coverage,
so
they
required
and
the
AG
accepted
it
that
every
floor
had
to
have
a
landline.
How
painful
is
that
I
mean
that's
good
I
mean
if
your
goal
is
is
to
make
to
make
in
the
name
of
Public
Safety,
and
that's
what
we're
doing
here.
We're
not
zoning.
We're
protecting
Public
Safety
we're
going.
L
L
I,
don't
think
you
have
bad
cell
coverage.
We've
got
some
ideas,
so
that's
where
we've
been.
This
is
a
good
tool.
I'll
walk
you
through
it
and
then
ask
for
questions.
I
won't
go
line
by
line.
If
you
go
on
page
27,
this
is
really
the
guts
of
they
have
to
have
a
license
and
they
have
to
pay
the
fees
and
if
they
don't
there's
a
right
off
the
bat,
a
thousand
dollars.
Fine,
then
there's
a
fee
for
of
250..
L
L
D
L
Creek,
oh
because
I
got
my
head
handed
to
me
in
Jerome.
I
tried
to
do
this
12
years
ago
in
a
cold
water,
Institute
collaborates
clobberness,
and
so
but
the
law
wasn't
with
me
and
so
what
I
did
was
I
read
the
AG
opinion.
The
Clone
is
really
Fountain
Hills,
that's
the
one
that
the
AG
blessed
and
when
I
read
it
I
go.
This
is
really
good.
L
I'd
be
happy
to
send
you
the
AG
opinion,
what
they
they
went
through
and
and
accepted
all
the
things
we're
going
to
talk
about
here,
okay,
but
make
sure
a
property
owner
has
in
the
name
of
Public.
Safety
has
a
map
a
floor
plan.
Escape
Routes
has
has
names
of
people
to
contact
one
in
this
provision.
The
emergency
contact
has
to
respond
in
24
hours.
M
L
Scottsdale
is
finding
a
significant
of
enforcement.
How
do
you,
when
you
have
thousands
of
short-term
rentals?
What
do
you
do
if
they
don't
get
the
license
so
and
that
that's
that
that's
it
that
that
is
the
initial
predicate
right
now,
when
you
adopt
this
30
days
later,
you
tell
people
to
get
the
license.
My
view
is:
having
worked
for
you
all
you're,
not
a
jurisdiction
that
I
think
likes
to
have
your
law
enforcement
out
looking
for
violation.
Maybe
you.
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H
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L
O
L
When
you
go,
when
you
go
on
page
28,
I
was
told
by
the
manager
that
some
of
you
were
very
concerned
about
they
weren't
paying
their
sales
tax.
So
28
says
one
on
the
name:
24-hour
contact,
number
24,
24,
7
of
the
emergency
contact
and
proof
of
a
valid
transaction
privilege
tax.
So
if
you
adopt
this
ordinance,
then
we
have
a
second
read.
Then
it's
effective
30
days,
I
truly
think.
A
D
L
L
Rentals,
that
was
my
comment
about
enforcement.
I
think
the
only
way
because
I
doubt
you're
going
to
have
people
out
driving
the
streets.
Looking
for
short-term
rentals
I
think
it's
going
to
be
complaint
driven
and
then
you
go
to
the
to
the
advertising
vrbos
and
see,
and
then
you,
then
you
trigger
the
license.
Thank
you
now
in
in
section
11206,
this
is
the
Vestige
of
the
regulatory
Bill
of
Rights.
The
legislature
was
very
concerned
about
governments
not
responding
quickly
enough.
L
It
but
then
you
go
through
and
it
gives
you
the
kinds
of
things
you
want:
the
registered
sex
offender
they
provide
false
information.
They've
had
a
revoke
license.
These
are
all
kinds
of
things
so
that
you
can
say
to
the
neighbors
who
are
complaining:
you're,
you're,
you're,
you're,
you're,
watching
out
you
have
their
back
and
if,
if
indeed
it's
denied,
they
can't
reapply
for
a
year.
L
For
that
short
terminal,
that's
a
pretty
big
penalty,
because,
if
I,
if
a
lot
of
these
people
buy
these
home
spec
and
then
they
want
to
rent
them
out
and
if
they
can't
rent
them
out
for
a
year
that
that's
that's
a
problem
and
they
may
then
have
to
go.
Get
a
real
renter
by
that
I
mean
an
annual
there.
O
L
Your
question
is:
how
are
you
going
to
place
that
up,
yeah
I?
Don't
think
you
could
do
it
City
town
wide
I
think
you're
going
to
do
it
complaint
driven
yeah.
If
someone
has
a
big
party
at
Super
Bowl,
they
call
the
Marshall.
He
calls
Luke
Luke
gets
on
the
web,
finds
out
it's
advertising
because
later
on
it
says:
if
they
advertise
it's
premium
flashing
evidence
they're
operating
a
short-term
rental.
Then
you
start
plowing
into
them.
You
don't
have
an
application
and
they've
got
a
show.
I
was
surprised
at
this.
They
actually.
G
L
L
D
L
An
easy
violation:
if
they
your
code,
has
a
special
event.
He
wrote
it
that
requires
certain
permits
if
they
have
a
number
of
off-site
parking,
and
so
if
they,
the
Marshall,
sees
tons
of
cars,
then
would
say
you
didn't
get
a
special
event
that
right
there
is
grounds
for
revocation
and
then
remember,
revocation
suspends
them
for
a
year.
That's
a
penalty.
L
L
And
protecting
protecting
the
the
occupant
of
that
sort
of
terminal
in
the
event
of
emergency
11216
a
is
an
alpha.
Any
person
designated
as
an
emergency
contact
upon
the
request
shall
respond
within
one
hour
to
the
physical
to
the
physical
location
for
which
the
the
they
are,
the
emergency
contact.
That
does
two
things
officially.
It
protects
public
health
and
safety.
L
A
D
L
L
L
The
short-term
owner
to
the
occupant
about
about
the
garbage
garbage
retention.
This
is
if,
if
the
additional
health
and
Publications
no
person
owning
shell
leave
trash
for
for
no
for
not
more
than
12
hours,
so
if,
if
I,
if
I'm,
the
owner
and
I
ran
it
out
for
Super
Bowl,
they
have
a
big
party
and
there's
tons
of
beer
cans
and
bottles
and
they
leave
and
they
leave
it
on
the
street
for
more
than
12
hours.
That's
a
violation.
L
Now
that
isn't
one
that
triggers
triggers
a
immediate
suspension,
go
if
you
go
back
to
and
I'm,
not
quite
sure
how
they
came
up
with
this.
This
is
in
11209
A1.
These
are
the
ways
that
you
can
suspend.
It's
three
verified
violations
within
a
12-month
period,
so
if
indeed
they
left
the
garbage
out
three
times,
then
you
can
suspend
but
they've
left
out.
Aesthetic
they
left
out
solid
waste,
so
it
isn't
garbage
and
in
vehicle
parking
I,
don't
know
why
they
left
those
out.
L
Those
still
would
be
so
what
they're
saying
is
I
was
wrong.
I
I
didn't
realize
Solid
Waste
was
there
three
of
these
violations
in
a
12
months.
Is
a
suspension
so
that
doesn't
apply
to
Solid
Waste,
but
that
would
be
a
violation
for
which,
if
they're
applying
in
the
future,
you
could
deny
the
application
so
I.
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A
L
D
L
L
D
L
But
they
they
give
courts
the
right
go
to.
This
is
honestly
I
can't
say:
I
did
this,
the
legislation
is
quite
good,
but
it
took
us.
It
took
us
12
years
and
and
I
think
the
league
struck
a
bargain.
The
league
got
them
to
agree
to
this.
Then
the
elite
said
there
would
be
a
moratorium
on
additional
legislation.
So
that's
that
that's
how
we
got
this.
L
The
league
agreed
that
they,
wouldn't
that
doesn't
mean
you
can't,
but
it
means
the
league
has
actually
given
them
an
agreement
that
the
short-term
rental
a
Lobby
to
to
get
this
in.
So
they
wouldn't
come
back
with
new
with
new
legislation.
I
want
to
find
the
part
about
the
court,
yeah
you're,
just
really
it's
on.
A
F
A
L
M
L
Have
to
balance
between
a
criminal
action
versus
civil
action
in
one
of
my
jurisdictions
that
we
had
someone
who
really
wanted
to
go
to
jail
because
he
couldn't
feed
himself,
and
so
he
would
just
he
loved
going
to
jail
because
he
got
to
eat,
and
so
that's
why
I
like
what
your
Marshall
does?
He
talks
to
your
to
the
people
who
violated
the
code
and
gets
them
to
fix
it,
so
you
never
get
to
the
hearing
officer.
L
L
D
F
That
will
be
set
up
to
to
do
the
licensing
and
and
handle
the
process,
but
we
also
need
to
identify
how
we
would
get
initial
notifications
out
to
as
many
of
the
obvious
short-term
rentals
that
we
have
to
find
in
our
jurisdictional
boundaries
the
best
we
can
know
that
we
can
get
everyone,
but
we
do
need
to
get
the
notifications
out,
send
some
letters
out
and
attempt
to
notify
everyone.
That's
that
we
can
who
is
currently
doing
a
short-term
rental
within
the
town
boundaries.
F
That's
the
more
difficult
and
a
lot
of
them
just
have
Cave
Creek
addresses
and
don't
always
have
the
exact
address.
So
we
need
to
work
with
that.
We
need
to
do
some
notifications,
some
education
newspapers.
You
know
articles
things
like
that
to
get
that
word
out,
that
this
is
going
into
effect
on
whatever
day
the
council
sets.
D
F
F
L
Is
this
where
you're
right
you
get
to
make
the
call
about
complaint?
Because
all
my
point
is:
if
you're
going
to
start
this,
that's
where
I'm
going
to
start
and
that
would
identify
the
problem
problem
short-term
rentals,
and
if
that
gives
you
a
template
to
be
able
to
identify
a
larger
set,
you
can
do
it.
You
can
do
it
less.
You
could
go
on
the
advertising
campaign
that
the
manager
is
talking
about,
but
I
think
initially
it
probably
will
be
complaint
here
to
to
address
problems
that
you
have,
but
this
this
code
can
be
enforced.
E
I
L
O
Do
it
as
a
Geo
search,
so
you
identify
the
corner,
coordinates
of
the
town,
and
then
it
should
be
able
to
tell
you
anybody.
That's
that's
done
that
the
the
issue
that
I
that
I'm
wrestling
with
we
want
people
to
do
this
right.
We
want
people
to
we
want
to
encourage
people.
Yes,
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
get
the
the
revenue
from
the
sales
tax
and
and
from
the
short-term
rental
tax.
O
There's
kind
of
a
balance:
you
know
it's
like
the
learner
curve
or
the
Laffer
Curve
right.
You
want
to
drive
it
to
a
certain
point,
but
you
don't
want
to
make
it
punitive
on
people
either.
So
I
think
we
need
to
think
through
really
I'd
like
to
see
the
administrative
procedures
finalized
before
we
have
a
second
reading
on
this,
because
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
punishing
people
for
doing
the
right
thing.
L
Very
good
point:
in
fact,
this
code
provision
says
just
that
it
says
you
can.
Once
we
get
to
the
enforcement
mechanism,
you
can
wave
whatever
you
have
the
power
to
waive
anything.
So
this
does
give
you,
but
the
one
benefit
of
at
the
front
end
identifying
your
penalty
is
to
get
their
attention,
so
they
do
apply
and
then
then
I
think
over
time.
You
don't
necessarily
have
to
enforce
that.
O
A
It's
not
your
turn
yet
we'll
we'll
have
we'll
have
public
comment.
Will
you
be
able
to
to
come
in
and
talk
about
it
right
now
we're
at
the
council
level,
so
we're
going
to
get
all
our
questions
in
and
then
we're
going
to
open
it
up
to
the
public
and
you
can
have
you
turned
the
slip
in
okay,
Council
other
questions
from
Council.
A
H
L
D
G
L
Your
interest
to
get
the
sales
tax
flowing
is
is
to
implement
the
licensing
requirements
and
then
hold
an
advance
to
the
extent
you,
as
a
council
wish
to
be
less
rigorous,
is
holding
the
bands.
The
the
the
the
more
stringent
penalties,
but
one
one
thing
would
be
is,
is
to
get
is
to
get
everybody
get
them
all
to
get
a
short
get.
The
transaction
brother.
O
Stacks,
so
there's
really
two
things
you
want
in
the
short
term.
You
want
the
licenses
right.
You
want
people
to
make
sure
they're
they're
licensed
yes
and
then.
The
second
thing
you
want
is
the
sales
tax
revenue
from
it
correct
the
other
things
I'd
like
to
see
the
administrative
procedures
before
we
Implement
that
I
mean
I
I'm,
not
opposed
to
you
know
being
punitive
if
you
have
to
but
that's
kind
of
a
last
resort,
not
the
I
mean.
O
The
administrative
procedures
tell
you
how
you're
going
to
how
you're
going
to
do
your
enforcement.
So
when,
when
the
town
manager
said
you
know
we're
still
working
on
the
the
actual
procedures,
the
procedural
manual,
whatever
that's
going
to
be,
or
whatever
your
standard
operating
procedure
or
whatever,
that
will
tell
you
how
it's
going
to
be
enforced,
one
of
the
things
that
this
could
limit
itself
to
without
well-written
procedures
is
you
can
pick
on
one
guy
because
you
don't
like
them.
So
how
do
you
make
sure
that
it's
applied
equitably
across
the
board?
A
F
Mr
mayor
council,
member
I
believe
the
the
process
is
relatively
simple:
it's
very
similar
to
our
business
license.
It
would
be
an
application
process
online,
we're
looking
to
have
sort
of
a
database
or
computer
software
program
that
they're
applying
and
they're,
providing
all
the
documentation
right
up
front
with
the
application
and
the
fee.
So
when
you
apply
for
the
the
license,
you're
submitting
a
copy
of
your
transaction
privilege
license
document,
you
already
have
you
get
that
first,
they
should
have
that
you're
applying
for.
F
If
you
don't
already
have
one
a
business
license,
so
we
would
have
a
link
to
that.
They
would
be
Pro,
providing
that
a
copy
of
the
notification.
What
is
going
out
to
the
their
neighbors?
That's
that's
required
in
the
regulations
and
they're
re
they're
required
to
have
insurance,
so
their
Certificate
of
Insurance.
Would
it's
just
like
a
application
and
all
of
those
documents
come.
F
They
would
be
put
into
our
computer
system
and
they'd
be
issued
the
license
as
long
as
they
they
pay
the
fee,
it's
good
for
one
year
and
then
they're
in
compliance,
and
then
it's
based
on
some
kind
of
complaint
if
they
rent
it
out
and
one
of
our
biggest
complaints
is
the
noise
they've
got
their
information
on
file.
If
someone
is
complaining-
and
it
goes
to
the
Marshall,
we
have
the
information
to
actually
call
somebody
and
say
we're
getting
complaints
from
your
people
and
it
could
be
handled
right
there.
I.
A
F
F
Then
they
have
a
license,
they
can
operate
right
and
as
long
as
there's
no
complaints,
there's
no
noise,
there's
whatever
the
issue
is,
you
know,
setting
off
fireworks
and
things
like
that.
If
someone
complains,
we
will
now
have
a
contact
of
the
property
owner
which
we
don't
have
now
and
they're
supposed
to
be
available,
so
we
can
make
a
phone
call
and
hopefully
that
will
be
the
shortest
quickest
remedy
to
the
majority
of
the
problems.
F
A
Well,
and
if
if
there
are
specific
things
in
here
that
people
aren't
comfortable
I'm
I'm
I
join
you
in
the
The
Pest
Control
I've
never
done
Pest
Control
at
my
house
and
I
have
no
roaches
I've
lost
scorpions,
but
I
think
they've
been
correlated,
but
I
I
agree
with
you.
There's
some
hygienic
things
in
here
that
we
might
want
to
eliminate
between
this
reading
and
the
second
reading.
Okay
and
I
think
when
we
get
to
that
point,
we
ought
to
make
a
motion
to
do
so.
A
L
Mr
Randall
councilman
Rose
is
the
point
about
it
being
overbearing
when
I
started
the
conversation
by
saying
it's
complaint
based
who
have
written
this
would
only
be
overbearing
to
those
who
refuse
to
comply.
Do
you
follow
me
who
refused
to
get
the
license
who
refused
to
post
the
emergency
contact
who
refused
to
go
see
the
neighbors
all
I'm
saying
is
for
those
who
comply.
This
is
this
is
neutral?
L
O
I
just
think
we
ought
to
take
a
look
at
some
of
the
some
of
the
enforcement
pieces.
Okay,
if
we're
gonna,
you
know,
I
I
do
understand
the
needs
for
the
the
sales
tax
I
do
under
I
mean
it's
not
fair
to
other
businesses.
They're
somebody's
making
money
and
they're
not
paying
their
sales
tax
I
get
that.
O
But
I
do
think
that
some
of
these
things
are
a
bit
onerous
and
I
I
do
understand
the
escalation
piece,
but
I
I
think
there's
two
or
three
simple
things
that
really
provide
that
that
that
issue,
you
don't
comply
with
the
already
existing
Town
ordinances.
We
already
have
the
right
to
shut
that
down
that
business
down
right
I
mean
that's
what
we
do
with
commercial
businesses,
so
let's
not
make
it
more
onerous
than
any
other
Commercial
Business
in
the
town.
G
L
I
said
it
is,
if
the
reason
I
was
comfortable
being
overbearing,
is
that
I
was
just
letting
having
this
be
complaint
based,
so
the
only
persons
do
that
would
be
overbeared.
If
that's
the
word
would
be
those
who
violated
it
and
so
I
wasn't
troubled
about,
but
but
if
you're
now
going
to
go
to
canvassing
the
neighborhoods
and
finding
out,
who
has
that
this
is
overbearing?
I
agree
with
you
totally,
so
you
have
to
decide
that.
L
So
what
I
was
saying
is
if
you're
going
to
wait
on
the
overbearing
side
of
this
one
option
would
be
to
get
what
we
need.
What
you
need,
and
that
is,
sales
tax
business,
license,
sale
and
transaction
privilege
tax
and
and
get
that
in
rapidly,
because
that
generates
revenue
and
it's
required
by
State
Statute
and
the
Aging
blessed
it.
Then
we
leave
to
a
later
day
to
what
extent
the
procedures
are
in
place,
because
I
do
think.
I
do
think.
L
If
this
only
is
complaint
based,
I'm,
not
sure
being
overbearing
is
bad
because,
where
you're
only
being
overbearing
to
those
who
who
are
thumbing
their
nose
at
you
and
so,
but
if
you
want
to,
if
you
want
to
be,
not
complaint
based
and
if
you
want
to
have
the
martial
out
looking
for
for
short-term
rentals,
then
this
is
overbearing.
I
agree
with
you.
O
D
I
K
A
wedding
yeah
and
generally
you
know
it's:
it's
not
too
uncommon
for
Property
Owners
to
host
a
wedding
reception
for
their
children
or
grandchildren
on
their
property
here
in
Cave
Creek,
that's
not
something
that
we've
ever
sought
out
to
enforce
and
get
our
pound
of
Flesh
from
it's
the
the
properties
that
would
want
to
use
their
rental
property
specifically
for
that
type
of
of
thing,
which
is
why
this
is
in
this
document
here
just
to
police
that
up
a
little
bit
using
Bill's
words.
So.
I
D
I
L
I
had
one
jurisdiction
you're
right.
If
you
have
a
residence
and
you
want
to
have
a
wedding
and
a
reception-
that's
not
a
short-term
rental.
This
doesn't
apply,
but
if
you
have
an
owner
who
markets
a
residence
as
a
marriage
venue
which
I
had
in
one
of
my
jurisdictions,
it
was
terrible-
and
that's
that's-
that
that's
the
special
event
that
this
would
this
was
categorically
would
be.
Would
we
would
allow
for
suspension.
L
M
H
L
Complained:
that's
a
good
thing.
I
like
what
you're
worried
about
a
very
good
point.
If,
indeed
we're
worried
about
deterring
the
issuance
of
complaints,
I
think
I
can
figure
out
an
exception
to
that
I
see
your
point.
Councilmember
I
see
your
point,
but
but
once
once
it's
done
I
do
think
the
complaint
would
be
a
public
record.
C
Q
Good
evening,
Laura
G,
with
beautiful
Cave
Creek
Arizona
I,
had
prepared
some
wonderful
remarks
on
agenda
item
two
on
the
resolution
and
then
three
the
ordinance,
but
we
seem
to
have
slid
past
that.
So,
if
you
would
bear
with
me,
I
have
to
Wing
in
a
bit
here:
I
have
to
say
I'm
a
bit
appalled
with
Mr
Sims
remarks
where
he
seems
to
have,
shall
we
say,
a
hate
on
for
property
owners
and
rental
property
owners.
Q
Of
course,
there's
some
exceptions
and
I
did
look
at
the
ads
for
the
next
several
months
of
properties
that
are
offered
for
rental
in
Cave
Creek,
we're
not
talking
thousands
of
properties,
we're
talking
tens
of
properties.
Are
there
others
for
sale
that
may
come
on
I,
don't
know
we're
not
I
read
this
ordinance
and
I.
Just
can't
think
that
this
is
the
Cave
Creek
way
of
doing
things.
It
seems
to
be
a
New
York
solution
to
a
Cave
Creek
problem.
Q
I
spent
the
entire
beautiful
weekend
reading
the
13
pages
over
and
over
to
try
to
read
and
understand
every
word.
It's
a
way.
It's
not
easy.
I
would
have
rather
been
out
in
the
sunshine
hiking
or
at
the
car
show.
But
I
was
going
through
this
trying
to
find
out
how
this
applies
to
nuisance
party
houses.
Very
little
of
it
does
I,
don't
understand
why
we
want
to
hamstring
our
property
owners
and
ruin
their
dreams,
or
maybe
their
financial
needs
are.
Q
What
have
you
and
then
I'm
hearing
some
things
that
are
misstated
or
maybe
I
misunderstand
I
went
back.
I
tried
to
look
at
the
background
documents:
The
Source
documents,
no
wonder
I
couldn't
find
them
we're,
not
Sedona
we're
not
Fountain
Hills
we're,
not
Scottsdale
we're
Cave
Creek,
and
if
we're
going
to
look
at
nuisance
party
houses,
we
need
to
do
something
tailored
for
Cave
Creek
and
that
specific
problem
I
look
back
at
Senate,
Bill
1168
that
those
are
guidelines.
It's
not
a
mandate.
We
do
not
have
to
do
everything.
Q
The
state
is
trying
to
give
the
cities
some
allowance
to
do
what's
right
for
themselves
locally
and
even
on
this
little
matter
here
about
the
time
of
one
hour
for
the
owner's
representative
to
be
on
site.
If
there's
an
emergency,
an
owner's
rep,
my
understanding
is
that's
not
what
the
statute
says.
It
says
that
the
owner
owner's
rep
has
to
respond
in
a
reasonable
time
period
in
a
reasonable
amount
of
time,
which
could
be
a
phone
call,
which
is
fair
and
I
would
like
to
see.
Capri
come
up
with
something.
Q
Q
As
Ms
Royer
said,
this
could
be
handled
very
Simply
Now
this
morning,
I
sent
each
of
you
an
email
detailing
some
my
concerns
of
certain
language
in
this
proposal
that
are
going
to
be
Hangouts,
and
if
you
want
people
to
comply,
it
doesn't
need
to
be
full
of
Hang-Ups
or
what
was
the
terminology?
I
heard
something
to
do
with
hitting
people
over
the
head.
This
is
not
the
way
to
make
good
legislation
and
I
also
sent
each
of
you
an
email
with
some
tones
of
how
we
can
approach
this
better.
Q
It
doesn't
have
to
be:
let's
have
a
business
license.
Let's
have
registration,
let's
have
a
sheriff.
You
know
spend
a
lot
of
City
staff
time
on
this
and
as
for
the
sheriff
as
a
person
who
I'd
be
the
person
calling
if
there's
a
noisy
neighbor
down
the
street
and
as
I
pointed
out
in
the
emails,
the
way
this
is
written,
the
sheriff
is
not
able
to
my
understanding
actually
deal
with
the
problem.
At
the
time
you
know
at
two
in
the
morning,
he
has
to
go
back
later
with
a
sound
meter,
et
cetera
Etc.
Q
We
need
to
look
at
our
existing
ordinances,
see
what
needs
to
be
tweaked
and
help
people
these
people
that
are
using
our
rentals
they're,
not
felons
they're,
not
sex
offenders.
They
come
to
town
they're,
antiquing
they're,
going
to
the
car,
shows
they're
they're,
geologists,
they're,
artists,
they're
people
that
you
want
to
visit
your
community
to
enjoy
Cave
Creek
and
to
join
the
desert
and
the
people
who
are
renting
out
their
properties.
Q
They're,
not
felons
they're,
not
sex
offenders,
as
it
says
in
this
application,
their
widows
they're
widowers
who
need
the
money,
their
mom
and
pop
retirees,
their
young
families
who
are
need
need
to
have
an
investment
for
their
children
college
fund.
What
have
you
so?
What
I
would
like
to
see
is
for
KP
to
set
this
dream
killer.
Ordinance
aside,
this
complicated
impossible
to
comply
with
ordinance
get
a
group
together
of
interested
parties.
Q
People
who
own
rentals
people
who
are
neighbors
get
those
people
who
have
complained
in
the
past,
get
them
on
a
panel
I'll
call
it.
The
party
panel
with
a
city
staff,
let's
work
out,
something
that
works
for
our
unique
Town.
Let's
work
out
some
something
that
works
for
for
Hay
Creek.
We
don't
want
to
kill
dreams.
This
I'm
sorry
is
a
bad
ordinance.
The
language
is
terrible.
We
can
do
much
better.
Thank
you.
Thank.
F
N
Mayor
council,
members
staff,
this
short-term
rental
proposal
is
aggressively
punitive
and
cast
far
too
large
an
entrapment
net.
It
punishes
every
short-term
housing
provider
with
new
taxes
and
additional
nuisance
regulations.
This
overreach
is
entirely
predicated
on
the
possible
wrongdoing
of
those
who
contact
contract
to
rent
party
houses.
N
However,
party
houses
is
not
mentioned
once
in
the
body
of
the
sweeping
proposal,
not
once.
Why
is
that
mom
and
pop
Casita
providers
should
not
be
required
to
screen
for
sex
offenders
or
have
to
worry
about
the
repercussion
of
doing
so.
Nor
should
they
be
required
to
verify
Pest
Control
treatment,
no
less
than
every
two
weeks.
What
kind
of
infestations
does
this
town
have
that
I
don't
know
about
this?
N
Is
nuts
and
and
if
they
don't,
if
they
can't
provide
that
this
thing
says
they
face
an
arbitrary
High,
fine
and
loss
of
license
to
operate
this.
This
isn't
Cave
Creek,
who
put
this
thing
together?
This
is
garbage.
The
language
of
this
proposal
is
a
direct
attack
on
everybody's
freedoms
and
liberties.
N
N
Please
don't
do
what
seems
easiest
do
what's
right
and
best
for
Cave
Creek,
deep
six,
these
13
pages
of
muddled
mess,
the
Airbnb
and
VRBO
platforms
have
restricted
the
rental
of
homes
by
persons
25
years
of
age
and
younger.
These
actions
have
produced
a
44
decrease
in
Party
House
problems
Define
that
Cave
Creek
has
the
data
which
it
sounds
like
it
sure,
as
hell
doesn't
to
support
any
new
regulation.
N
Not
our
good
citizens
also
exempt
Casitas
motel
rooms,
RV
spots
and
all
other
spaces
that
are
far
too
small
to
ever.
Be
a
party
house
problem,
don't
throw
the
baby
out
with
a
bath
water.
We
need
this
housing
for
our
guests
and
tourists
that
support
our
Cave
Creek
Merchants.
If
you
really
want
the
enforcement
nightmare,
this
proposal
brings
don't
needlessly
punish
good
citizens
for
having
done
nothing
wrong.
N
N
J
P
My
name
is
Jess
I've
lived
in
Cave
Creek,
since
I
was
born.
My
family
moved
out
here
in
the
1960s
when
my
mom
passed
away.
My
brother
and
I
inherited
her
home,
which
we
now
have
as
a
short-term
rental,
along
with
our
own
private
area,
to
go
back
and
visit
weekly
daily
I
was
there
earlier
today
with
this
piece
of
legislation.
Legislation
I
do
have
some
concerns.
Some
of
the
verbiage
in
there
is
unclear
and
I.
P
Don't
think
pertains
to
our
small
town,
similar
to
the
two
people
have
that
have
spoken
before
me.
Things
in
here,
such
as
the
events
we've
held
five
weddings
at
our
house,
including
my
brothers
I,
had
a
wedding
last
spring,
because
a
woman's
grandmother
got
ill
and
they
had
to
cancel
their
venue.
So
they
used
our
short-term
rental
for
their
small
ceremony
with
25
of
their
family
members.
P
We
have
good
relationships
with
our
neighbors.
We
have
Nancy.
We
tell
her
every
single
time.
We
have
a
big
event.
We
have
a
neighbor,
that's
a
half
a
mile
away
that
per
this
legislation.
I
would
have
to
notify
them
of
my
short-term
rental,
even
though
they
couldn't
even
hear
if
we're
blaring
music
at
our
house
anyways.
P
We
have
other
neighbors
that
aren't
across
the
street,
but
across
the
wash
that
have
complained
to
us,
because
they've
left
the
lights
on
after
the
rentals,
which
I
then
drive
over
there
at
10
o'clock
at
night
to
turn
them
off
businesses.
Legislation
focuses
on
doesn't
focus
on
small
families.
Small
businesses.
P
R
F
R
I've
just
picked
up
on
the
comments
in
the
commentary
and
discussion.
That's
been
happening
so
far.
I
apologize
for
my
crude
notes
that
I've
written
here
on
my
phone
I
I,
don't
have
an
Airbnb
I,
really
don't
have
a
dog
in
the
fight,
but
having
said
that,
I
would
be
really
concerned
as
a
resident
of
Cave
Creek
that
there
would
be
a
double
standard
for
me
as
a
resident
versus
the
people
who
own
these
short-term
rentals
right
down
to
the
two
weeks
for
Pest
Control.
R
I
would
like
to
think
that,
hopefully,
that
would
be
something
that
could
be
waived,
as
he
did
mention
that
things
could
be
waived
in
different
Provisions
could
be
changed.
Having
said
that,
I
would
also
think
that
waiving
certain
punitive
measures
for
some
people
and
not
others
could
be
seen
as
discriminatory
or
retaliatory.
R
I
I
would
be
really
curious
to
know
as
to
what
Scottsdale
and
Fountain
Hills
and
the
other
municipalities
have
have
had
as
far
as
any
claims
or
lawsuits.
That's
maybe
come
as
a
result
of
this
in
regards
to
what
Mr
Rhodes
had
said
regarding
commercial
venues,
also
leasing
out
rooms
and
hotels
and
everything
I
I,
don't
know
that
the
Marriotts
or
anything
like
that
have
to
ever
check
if
there's
a
registered
sex
offender
staying
at
their
location.
That
does
seem
really
excessive
to
put
that
on
Airbnb
and
verbo
owners.
R
Neighbor
retaliation,
I
think,
could
also
become
a
problem
and
I,
don't
think.
There's
any
shortness
of
that
in
this
town,
neighbor
disputes
and
retaliation
and
things,
and
lastly,
Mr
Stein
obviously
is
is
one
person
right.
He
has
MCSO,
that's
meant
to
enforce
the
laws
of
this
town
as
well
as
Maricopa
County
I
can
speak
from
personal
experience
that
MCSO
does
not
adequately
enforce
rules
and
laws,
both
local
and
Maricopa
County
laws.
R
Regarding
noise
complaints,
it
seems
like
if
there
is
a
party
house-
and
there
is
a
noise
complaint,
that
MCSO
should
be
able
to
handle
that
on
the
spot.
So
in
order
to
have
that
done,
that
seems
like
a
much
easier
remedy
than
having
to
take
the
successive
measures
and
enforce
all
of
these
rules.
That
could
potentially
be
detrimental
to
small
business
owners
and
private
homeowners
in
the
community,
just
food
for
thought.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
M
I
have
been
a
short-term
rental
owner
since,
like
2017.
I
as
I
as
you
know,
from
before,
I
have
a
rental
properties
and
I
started
turning
them
into
short-term
rentals
I
found
that
number
one
I
took
care
of
them
better.
When
you
have
a
long-term
person
in
there,
sometimes
they
do
damages
and
then
you're
not
in
there
for
years
and
really
to
be
able
to
fix
it
up.
So
I
really
found
that
it
was
a
better
way
for
me
to
be
able
to
take
care
of
my
properties
and
I
really
enjoy
it.
M
M
I
have
it
stated.
No
events,
no
parties.
If
you
want
to
allow
parties,
that's
your
business
personally
for
me.
I
find
it
better
to
not
have
to
worry
I,
don't
want
no
fireworks,
there's!
Absolutely
no
fireworks
allowed
I
want
it.
Quiet
am
I
one
in
Cave,
Creek
I.
Have
it
specifically
stated
this
is
a
quiet
house,
you,
you
need
to
respect
the
neighbors
and
the
people
I've.
Had
there
I
just
had
somebody
leave
after
45
days,
an
older
woman
by
herself,
she
she
loved
it.
She
would
take
walks.
M
M
Also
in
reading
your
ordinance
I
do
think
that
there's
some
things
that
can
be
tweaked
I
would
be
happy
to
be
a
sounding
board
to
all
of
you
since
I've
had
a
company
like
this
for
a
long
time
and
I
do
think
you
need
to
Define
what
a
short-term
rental
is
for
sure.
There's
no
definitions
in
that
and
short-term
rentals
should
be
defined
in
there.
Thank
you.
D
A
H
O
O
A
Me,
let
me
clarify
the
process.
Dusty
you've
got
to
you've
got
to
turn
this
into
a
motion
and
a
emotion
that
that
is
apical
to
the
motion
that
Ernie
had
and
the
way
we
and
then
you'd
eat
a
second
for
your
motion.
We
vote
on
that
and
we
then
we
go
back.
So
if
you
want
to
amend
what
he
has
then
make
that
into
a
motion.
I.
O
I
O
I
This
is
is
basically
just
just
making
public
what
we're
actually
looking
at
the
next
agenda
item
actually
is
is
what
requires
two
reads,
and
there
will
be
ample
time
in
between
the
first
and
second
read
to
to
go
along
with
what
councilman
Rhodes
is
discussing
and,
and
everybody
else
is
looking
at
so
at
this
point.
I
think
that,
from
my
perspective,
the
the
thing
to
do
is
to
go
ahead
and
just
approve
the
document
or
don't
approve
it,
in
which
case
we
don't
move
on
to
agenda
item
number
three
foreign.
K
Number
two
is
the
resolution
that
adopts
us
as
public
record
and
then
item
number
three
requires
two
readings.
There'll
be
a
first
and
a
second,
at
which
case
that's
in
that
time,
between
a
first
and
second
reading,
as
councilman
Bunch
pointed
out,
is
when
you
could
have
dialogue
with
stakeholders
such
as
short-term
rental
operators,
currently
in
the
town,
and
that
and
that
kind
of
thing,
and
bring
those
comments
to
you
so
help.
A
A
D
A
Council
discussion
approval
of
first
reading
ordinance,
oh
2023-02,
an
ordinance
of
the
mayor
and
Council
of
the
town
of
Cave
Creek
Maricopa
County
Arizona,
adding
chapter
112
of
Title
11,
entitled
short-term
rental,
public
health
and
safety
protections
to
the
town
of
Cave
Creek
Town
code
establishing
an
effective
date
providing
for
a
repeal
and
severability
and
declared
to
be
a
public
record
by
resolution.
Number
are
2023-02.
K
So
we've
noted
I've
made
note
of
those
those
things
also
something
that
the
town
manager
spoke
of,
which
would
be
a
delayed
Effectiveness
from
second
reading
till
we
actually
roll
it
out.
I
think
we
talked
about
a
60
day
or
a
90
day.
That
gives
us
even
more
time
to
notify
the
operators
notify
the
general
public
of
of
these
changes
as
well.
K
A
C
A
Omez,
just
one
before
we
start
again,
I
just
want
to
mention
when
the
red
light
goes
off.
The
three
minutes
is
up.
If
you
would
finish
your
statement
and
and
complete
I
didn't
I
forgot
to
do
to
tell
everybody
what
the
program
was
in
the
first
round,
but
if
you'd
limit
your
comments
to
three
minutes,
plus
whatever
little
finish
in
your
paragraph,
I'd
appreciate
it.
M
Q
Things
the
first
time
number
one
I
meant
to
thank
all
of
you
on
Council
and
staff.
For
being
here,
we
appreciate
it.
I
know
you
have
to
hear
a
lot,
it's
a
lot
to
go
through.
So
thank
you
and
I'll
say
that
people
who
aren't
here
I
know
there
are
Casita
operators
who
are
not
here
because
they
read
the
audience
ordinance
and
they're.
They're
scared,
they're
afraid
they
feel
cowed
by
this
language,
and
several
have
told
me
if
this
goes
through.
Q
I
am
dropping
out
of
business
I'm
going
to
put
office
files
in
my
Casita
I.
Don't
care
I,
don't
need
this
grief?
That's
not
what
we
want
right.
That's
not
what
we
wanted.
Cave
Creek
and
then
I
also
want
to
reiterate.
I
I
hear
the
council
is,
is
leaning
toward
all
right.
Let's
have
business
licenses
Etc
again,
I
think
the
original
problem
was
dealing
with
noise
complaints
and
several
people
said
the
calls
that
come
in
I
don't
get
them
have
to
do
with
noise.
Q
N
Well,
I'm
very
saddened,
you
didn't
just
deep
six,
this
thing:
it's
such
bad
legislation,
which
I
am
I've,
been
Cave
Creek
for
a
year.
I
love
it
here,
I
love
it
folks
and
I
left
my
lifelong
state
of
the
Communist
Coast
California
for
good
reason.
I
rented
properties
for
over
40
years
bought
my
first
house
when
I
was
19
years
old,
so
I'm
very
familiar
with
the
business
more
familiar
than
most
and
have
also
lived
the
experience
when
these
kinds
of
legislations
creep
into
our
freedom.
N
Let
me
tell
you:
I've
lived
it
I've,
seen
it
when
I
tell
people
what
transpires
and
how
it
goes
step
by
step.
They
don't
believe
me
because
it's
just
too
aggressive,
it's
unbelievable.
You
wouldn't
think
it
happened
in
your
lifetime,
in
whichever,
when
you
start
letting
stuff
like
this,
come
in
all
the
Socialists
are
going
to
be
filling
this
room
up,
you're
going
to
be
looking
for
more
chairs
in
a
bigger
room.
N
They
come
in
with
their
choreographed
programs
and
you
don't
know
what
hit
you
and
there
goes
Cave
Creek
I'd
like
to
see
Cave
Creek
stay
the
way
it
is.
You
pass
something
like
this
you're
in
deep
trouble,
very
deep
trouble.
The
next
thing
you're
going
to
find
is
tenants,
cannot
be
evicted
for
not
paying
rent,
and
on
top
of
that,
you
can't
get
them
out.
Even
when
the
rental
agreement
is
expired,
you
cannot
get
them
out.
You
have
to
pay
them
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
to
get
them
out.
That's
what
you
want.
N
A
A
B
I
A
O
O
There
were
two
things
that
I
think
were
were
kind
of
conflating
here.
The
first
is
the
revenues
from
the
from
the
business
license
and
sales
tax.
That's
one!
That's
a
separate
issue,
that's
one
of
the
issues
we're
addressing
here.
The
second
issue
is
the
party
houses
and
I
I
think
those
are
two
separable
things.
I
think
this
needs
to
address.
Just
the
business
license
and
the
sales
tax
that
comes
with
it
I
mean
Cave.
Creek
should
get
sales
tax
just
like.
If
you
go
down
to
to
the
bar
and.
F
I
have
discussion.
I
think
it
would
be
beneficial
to
have
both
sides
of
this
issue
present
on
this
task
force,
in
other
words,
not
only
the
business
owners
who
want
to
preserve
their
rights
as
Property
Owners,
but
also
neighbors,
who
have
been
affected
by
party
houses
and
who
feel
strongly
that
that
this
legislation
is
needed.
F
I
think
we
have
to
have
candid
conversation
between
those
two
parties
and
get
to
a
point
that
they're
both
agreed
upon
the
the
conclusion
so
I
think
it's
important
to
get
John
Hepner
in
here
who
really
had
some
issues
in
his
neighborhood
and
who
feels
strongly
that
we
need
a
policy
like
this
and
I
think
he
needs
to
be
face
to
face
with
the
people
who
rent
their
properties.
Who
disagree?
That's
my
suggestion.
A
J
G
G
A
J
A
H
I
think
we
should
not
lose
fact
lose
sight
that
this
is
an
administrative
function
when
we're
telling
our
Administration
how
they
have
to
handle
it.
That
worries
me
I
think
we
can
incorporate
these
ideas
and
they
should
be
incorporated,
but
to
tell
the
administration
exactly
how
to
do.
It
is
probably
not
a
good
idea.
A
Well,
I
I
have
comments,
I
mean
this
number
one.
This
is
public
hearing,
we've
got
people
here,
we
can
get
more
people
between
now
and
the
next
one.
So
I
just
see
no
reason
to.
We
can
talk
to
people,
we
can
call
people
and
have
them
at
the
next
meeting.
We've
got
two
meetings
to
get
this
stuff
done
administratively.
A
Frankly,
it's
it's
wasting
our
time.
I
think
we.
We
can
make
changes
to
this
once
we
get
past
and
make
to
have
building
your
motion.
We
can
make
the
changes
that
will
bring
this
back,
something
that
the
council
can
prove
I,
don't
think
we're
we've
reached
the
point
where
we
really
understand
what
the
council
wants
on
this.
We
have
heard
from
I
have
heard
from
enough
Property
Owners,
so
I
understand,
maybe
there's
some
others
out
there,
but
I
think
vice
mayor
Wright
had
a
good
point.
A
There
are
people
in
town
who
have
extremely
strong
feelings:
the
other
side
they're
the
ones
that
haven't
spoken
here
tonight
and
the
ones
that
we
get
the
call
from.
So
let's
have
with
that
we'll
vote
on
this.
So
all
those
in
favor
of
the
motion
to
get
three
to
five
people
to
comment
on
this
say
aye
aye,
all
those
opposed,
no
roll
call.
Please.
H
J
J
A
A
H
The
balls
in
my
court
for
better
there
you
go
so
I'll
I'll,
make
my
comments.
I
think
this
this
can
be
amended.
Councilman
Rhodes.
You
made
a
good
point
of
the
two-week
Pest
Control
I.
Don't
do
that
at
my
house.
That
does
seem
a
little
bit
onerous.
I
think
that
we
need
to
specify
what
the
infractions
would
be.
If
we
don't
say
what
the
infractions
are
going
to
be,
then
we
can't
enforce
them.
So
we
do
need
to
be
quite
specific.
H
I
note
that
this
is
only
upon
complaints.
I
think
that
if
you've
got
some
neighbor
that
is
unrealistic
or
difficult
I
think
staff
can
probably
figure
out
what
to
do
with
that.
I
think,
as
the
mayor
has
said,
we
need
to
have
people
in
who
have
had
particular
problems.
If
it's
a
problem,
that's
not
listed
here,
we
can't
really
deal
with
it.
H
F
H
H
I
I
I
think
there'll
be
plenty
of
time
in
the
next
between
the
next
meeting
or
the
meeting
after
the
meeting
after
whenever,
whenever
everything
gets
gets
ironed
out,
we
get
a
chance
to
to
make
it
where
it
actually
fits
Cave
Creek
and
doesn't
look
like
we're
Nazis,
so
yeah
I'm
going
to
support
at
this
point
in
time.
Hopefully,
next
time
we
see
it,
it'll
be
something
that's
more
palatable
to
everybody.
I've
always
believed.
If
neither
side
is
Happy,
you've
done
a
good
job.
A
J
And
Council
broker
did
Mr
Mayor.
This
is
actually
I
hate
to
be
the
historian.
This
is
actually
not
a
new
issue.
Cave
Creek
has
been
working
with
visitors
for
years.
It's
called
bed
and
breakfast
we
issue
permits.
It
was
controversial
at
first
I,
don't
know
how
many
we
currently
have-
and
it's
not
really
a
status
report.
I
guess
this
evening,
but
is
there
a
rough
idea?
How
many
beds
and
breakfasts
we
have
here
in
town.
J
So
the
concept
is
not
alien
to
the
town
and
then
in
addition,
in
the
earlier
days
of
the
town,
we
support
cottage
industries,
so
there's
not
necessarily
opposition
to
the
concept
of
doing
this.
But
if
you
stay
at
the
Tumbleweed,
when
it
used
to
be
a
hotel,
you
paid
the
tax
that
was
put
on
the
room.
If
you
stay
in
another
location
in
town,
you
would
pay
the
tax.
J
D
J
You
probably
go
back
almost
that
far
and
Joan
Dodd,
who
was
on
the
PNC
and
the
council
at
the
time
who
I
might
have
been
related
to
as
my
mother-in-law
she
raised
holy
hell
because
she
thought
that
it
was
unfair
to
have
a
casita
as
in
a
function
to
the
house
that
wouldn't
be
allowed
to
have
that
out
of
fear
that
it
would
become
a
rental.
But
as
it
pertains
to
this
issue,
I
think
the
licensing
is
important.
J
A
G
I'm
sure
I
do
actually
I
I
guess
what
I'm
struggling
with
is
one
of
one
of
this
council's
sort
of
Baseline
conversations
was
all
around
the
idea
of
communicating
better
with
the
people
here
in
town,
and
so
this
presents
that
opportunity
for
an
interest
group
to
really
have
a
conversation
with
us.
So
I
think
I'm
going
to
support
this,
because
we
have
one
more
opportunity
if
that
communication
piece
isn't
met
when
it
comes
back
for
the
final
reading,
so
was
I
clear.
Yes,.
L
A
F
H
A
Okay,
well,
we
have
plenty
of
opportunities
for
people
to
talk
and
there's
more
coming
up
on
this,
but
so
I
I
don't
feel
like
we're
shorting
anybody
we're
into
public
hearing
right
now
that
was
well
advertised
and
we
have
a
lot
of
people
saw
it
and,
depending
on
what
has
happened
now,
they'll
see
the
next
one
we
have
when
we
take
action.
But
to
the
point,
I
would
like
to
see
paragraphs
112.117
through
112.22
the
hygienic
paragraphs
Struck
from
the
next
version
we
see
and
I'll
just
go
through.
A
Those
one
is
the
insurance
insurance
is
none
of
our
business.
We
we're
not.
We
don't
have
a
dog
in
that
fight.
The
insurance
is
for
liability.
The
owner,
we're
not
involved
in
that
liability.
I
see
no
need
for
that.
118
is
the
advertising
we
have
to
have
the
number
in
the
advertising
again.
I
think
that's
some
a
step
that
is
not
critical
to
the
enforcement
or
to
the
problem.
We're
trying
to
solve
119
is
the
neighbor
notification.
You
know
if
there's
a
problem
the
neighbors
are
going
to
find
out
about
it.
A
I
I
think
that's
onerous
and
one
one.
Nine
is
also
the
pest
control,
the
famous
Pest
Control,
that's
a
hygienic
issue.
We
have
no
business
getting
into
112.20
is
another
one
that
I
sh,
that
I
think
should
be
kicked
out,
and
that
is
the
one.
With
the
sex
offender
background
checks
and
one
one
2.22
is
the
neighboring
notification.
A
I
think
all
those
I
think
we
ought
to
start
Simple,
Start
small,
make
I
think
the
response
is
appropriate.
One
hour
that's
fast,
but
when
we
hear
from
the
people
who
have
dealt
with
illegal
activities
and
fireworks
and
garbage
and
noise
and
beer
cans
and
drunk
stagger
around
the
street
and
cars
racing
around
the
streets,
we
may
have
a
different
idea,
but
having
someone
respond
frankly,
the
sheriff,
if
they
get
a
higher
priority
than
a
nose
in
a
noise
call,
they
won't
even
they
don't
even
respond.
A
A
L
A
A
F
Mr
Mayor
could
it
could
we
clarify
you
stated
to
remove
the
notification
process
to
the
neighbors
neighbors,
but
could
we
include
phone
numbers
accessible
contact
information
for
the
application
process,
because
when
there's
a
complaint
we
currently
don't
have
a
way
to
get
a
hold
of
the
people
who
own
the
property.
You.
J
F
H
A
A
I
I
think
the
principle
here
is.
We
can
always
add
more
to
this,
but
we've
really
got
a
lot
of
things
on
the
books
that
we
don't
enforce
and
I'm
really
not
interested
in
putting
more
stuff
out
there
just
for
eye
wash
that
we're
not
going
to
enforce.
If
it's
worth
writing
up
as
a
as
a
code,
it's
worth
enforcing,
it's
not,
then
it's
not.
L
L
Okay
the
reason
you
have
two
reads:
so
we
can
get
your
info
to
come
back
with
a
new
revision.
You've
given
us
directions,
we'll
take
that
direction
and
bring
it
back.
In
the
meantime,
we
will
talk
to
folks
on
both
sides
of
the
issue.
To
get
to
get
further
guidance
is
that
is
that
what
you
wanted
us.
O
O
O
L
H
J
A
D
B
M
The
purpose
of
having
the
license
by
the
door,
which
your
ordinance
says
you
have
it
front
and
back,
which
I
think
that's
kind
of
redundant,
but
if
you
have
a
license
within
10
feet
of
the
front
door,
if
the
sheriff's
called
or
if
even
a
neighbor
comes
over
the
name,
the
phone
number
of
who
to
contact
will
be
right
on
there.
So
it
won't
matter
if
you
guys
are
closed.
M
F
J
L
Certain
communities
out
we're
going
to
make
sure
the
license
requirement
stays
in
and
it
was
in
one
of
the
ones
that
we
will
put
it
in.
If
there
is
the
issue
of
the
the
one
hour
one
hour,
is
that
still
in
an
items
to
come
back
and
we
don't
have
guidance
on
what
you
want
to
do?
Do
you
want
us
to
get.
A
A
D
R
I
would
like
to
thank
you
guys
for
all
for
approaching
this
in
a
very
objective
Manner
and
trying
to
get
both
sides.
I.
Think
that
that's
admirable
one
of
the
concerns
that
I
would
have
is,
as
far
as
even
enforcing
the
trash
portion
I
can
appreciate
not
wanting
litter
and
beer
cans
and
everything
everywhere.
R
R
In
addition
to
that,
though,
I
just
feel
that
we're
not
able
to
to
take
care
of
the
other
problems
that
we
have
I
feel
like
this.
This
is
bringing
on
more
problems
for
the
town
that
that
staff
may
not
even
be
able
to
accommodate
we're
talking
about
having
to
hire
new
people,
there's
obviously
a
lot
of
financial
burdens
and
everything
that
goes
with
that
I
just
feel
like.
This
is
a
very,
very
large
issue,
and
please
take
that
into
consideration
that
I
feel
like
Cave.
Creek
has
a
lot
of
other
issues.
R
It's
not
pleasant
and
I
can
appreciate
the
fact
that
it's
really
hard
to
deal
with
living
next
door,
but
it
is
really
concerning
in
regards
to
the
hour
of
response
time.
If
you
live
in
Tempe,
that
means
you
can't
have
an
Airbnb
in
Cave
Creek,
because
you
may
not
be
able
to
get
it
there
in
an
hour.
If
you
travel
out
of
state
and
you
go
out
of
country,
can
you
have
a
backup
designated?
That's
your
contact.
How
is
that
going
to
work?
R
A
A
A
J
A
And
around
item
number
four
Council
discussion:
approval
resolution,
r2023-03
resolution
of
the
mayor
and
Town
Council
town
of
King
Creek
Maricopa,
County
Arizona,
declaring
those
certain
documents
filed
with
the
Town
Clerk
and
entitled
medical
marijuana,
dispensaries
and
cultivation
facilities,
amendments
and
recreational
marijuana
Charter
as
public
records
pursued
into
ARS
paragraph
9-802,
the
development
services
director
and
is.
Is
this
a?
K
K
I
did
want
to
mention
that
I've
I
saw
fiddlnick
recently
I
hadn't
seen
fiddl
neck
in
probably
three
years,
so,
whatever
we're
spraying
to
treat
the
chamomile
is
obviously
not
working
on
the
fiddle
neck.
It's
kind
of
scary
I
saw
it
out
at
Spur,
Cross
Ranch,
along
the
trails
up
there.
This
weekend
and
I,
like
I,
said
I
hadn't
seen
it
I
thought
we
were
through
that,
but
just
something
else
to
be
aware
of
it's
not
just
the
globe
chamomile
or
stink
net.
K
That's
out
there
once
again,
I
informed
Bill
earlier
today
as
bill
is
an
old
hat
at
the
marijuana
regulations,
and
rules
in
the
state
of
Arizona
he's
actually
done
several
of
these
ordinances
and
resolutions
in
other
communities
in
which
he
serves
we're.
Actually
a
little
bit
behind
the
town
of
Cave
Creek
is
on
adopting
regulations
related
to
recreational
marijuana
and
I'll
turn
it
over
to
build
a
fat.
Thank
you.
L
All
you're
doing
is
you
currently
have
one
on
medical
marijuana
facility.
The
new
legislation
allows
adult
use
what
we
call
recreational
marijuana
facilities,
the
code
provision
before
you
marries
up
the
two
so
that
the
restrictions
apply
to
one
apply
to
the
other
it
barred,
and
it
does
require
transaction
privilege
tax.
So
you
get
sales
tax
off
off
the
sales.
If
bar
testing
doesn't
create
any
sales
tax,
so
this
bar
is
testing.
L
It
does
allow
cultivation
at
one
location
and
allows
retail
retail
for
for
recreational
use
more
than
likely
it
would
be
a
dual
use
because
the
the
state
is
giving
these
out
sparingly
and
my
I
suspect
in
my
other
jurisdictions.
The
medical
marijuana
facility
has
then
applied
to
try
to
convert
to
a
dual
use.
So
all
this
does
is
it
allows
you
to
control
medical,
sorry,
recreational
marijuana
facilities,
it
prohibits
testing
facilities
and
it
creates
the
requirement
for
them
to
have
a
transaction
privilege
tax
so
that
you
generate
tax.
L
The
this
model
is
taken
from
the
leak
model.
It's
taken
from
other
jurisdictions,
some
of
the
other
jurisdictions.
They
did
allow
testing,
but
you
can
allow
testing
if
you
wish
I
don't
know
if
it
adds
much
because
one
it
doesn't
create
any
retail
and
I'm,
not
sure
why
you
want
to
have
people
coming
into
your
town
to
test
promote
from
marijuana.
So
it's
your
call.
This
is
pretty
perfunctory.
It
marries
up
recreational
marijuana
facility
with
medical.
A
I
Motion
to
approve
resolution,
r2023-03
resolution,
the
mayor
and
Town
Council
town
of
Cave
Creek
Maricopa,
County
Arizona,
declaring
as
a
public
record
a
certain
document
filed,
but
the
town
clerk
entitled
medical
marijuana,
dispensary
and
consultation
facilities,
amendments
and
recreational
marijuana.
Second,.
A
I
H
A
Aye
holes
opposed
motion
carry
7-0
we're
on
to
number
five
Council
discussion
approval
first
reading
the
ordinance
zero
two
zero
zero
zero.
All
right.
Let
me
start
over
Council
discussion
and
approval
a
first
reading
of
ordinance,
0-2023-03
and
ordinance
of
a
mayor
and
counsel
of
the
town
of
Cave
Creek
Maricopa
County
Arizona
by
amending
chapter
155.c
regarding
operation
requirements
for
medical
marijuana,
dispensaries
and
cultivation
facilities
and
by
adding
title
157
recreational
marijuana.
K
L
L
K
So,
but
we
can
look
once
again
getting
back
to
N3
and
the
manufacturing
of
marijuana
products.
We
can
look
at
how
that
interplays
with
the
medical
side
and
the
culture
cultivation
centers
as
well,
and
that's
all
regulated
through
State
anyway.
Thank
you
anyway.
I'll
bring
I'll.
Let
you
know
at
second
reading
what
I
find
all.
H
A
Other
comments,
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor,
say:
aye
aye
opposed
motion
carry
7-0
and
we
are
on
to
item
number
six
Council
discussion:
approval
of
first
reading
of
ordinance,
o
two
zero
two
three-04,
an
ordinance
of
the
mayor
and
Council
of
the
town
of
Cave
Creek
Maricopa
County
Arizona,
amending
the
town
of
Cave,
Creek
Town
code,
chapter
33,
entitled
boards
and
commissions
by
amending
section,
33.04
procedure,
current
a
in
parent
establishing
an
effective
date
providing
for
repeal
and
severability
development
services.
Director.
K
Thank
you,
mayor
members
of
council
back
in
April
of
2021.
During
a
work
session,
the
Planning
Commission
was
made
aware
that
the
Town
Council
meets
at
6
pm
on
the
first
and
third
Monday
of
each
month
and
I
believe
they
were
a
little,
maybe
jealous
of
that
6
p.m.
Starting
meeting
time
and
directed
staff
at
that
time
and
and
I
apologize
on
record
that
it's
taken
me
this
long
to
get
here
with
that.
But
life
happens.
F
K
F
Motion
to
approve
first
reading
of
ordinance,
02023-04
and
ordinance
of
the
mayor
and
Council,
the
town
of
Cave
Creek
Maricopa
County
Arizona,
amending
the
town
of
Cave,
Creek
Town
code,
chapter
33,
section
33.04
procedure
a
thereby
adjusting
the
start
time
of
the
Planning
Commission
public
meeting
from
seven
o'clock
P.M
to
six
o'clock.
P.M.
I
A
A
The
general
plan
statute
and
the
voter
protection
act
by
allowing
developers
to
ignore
the
plans
that
are
developed
by
residents
and
whereas
Senate
Bill
1117,
prohibits
planning
Commissioners
from
reviewing
housing
projects,
getting
Community
input
and
providing
recommendations
to
local
councils
and
whereas
Senate
Bill
1117
prohibit
cities
and
towns
from
prohibiting
the
use
of
accessory
dwelling
units,
including
accessory
drilling
units
to
be
occupied
by
a
person
other
than
the
owner,
essentially
preventing
municipalities
from
regulating
peer-to-peer
platforms
such
as
Airbnb.
And
now.
A
I
A
Yes,
one
one
provision
of
this
is
you
cannot
have
zoning
a
lot.
This
is
the
lot
size,
the
lot,
which
is
smaller
than
many
houses
in
town
greater
than
four
thousand
square
feet.
It
does
not
apply
to
Cave
Creek
because
it's
25
000
over
until
the
first
time
we
turned
something
down
and
then
I'm
sure
it
will
be
expanded.
So
if
this
goes
through
the
floodgates
are
open,
you
will
no
longer
be
able
to
plan
this
time.
A
B
B
Yeah
but
I
think
it
goes
up
to
Thunderbird
at
any
rate,
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
few
words
of
encouragement.
This
is
really
positive,
I'm
glad
to
see
that
this
is
being
done
or
discussed
and
I
wanted.
To
just
say.
Thank
you
for
your
efforts.
Hopefully
this
does
some
good.
It's
a
striker
bill.
It's
still
active
as
of
late
today,
so
it
could
could
be
part
of
the
new
Arizona.
A
I
A
I'm
not
going
to
read
the
whole
thing,
but
I'll
just
say
that,
whereas
the
town
of
Cade
Creek
would
lose
more
than
1.5
million
dollars
in
Revenue
that
funds,
our
fire
and
emergency
services
and
other
critical
infrastructure
projects
should
Senate
bill
number
1063
in
House,
Bill
2061
become
law
and
I'm
going.
To
paraphrase
this,
the
elimination
will
likely
cause
local
tax
increases
or
service
reductions,
and
3.2
million
residents
will
not
see
any
benefit
from
limiting
this
tax
and
arizonans
who
purchase
their
food
with
SNAP
and
WIC.
A
Benefits
are
always
exempt
from
the
tax,
so
the
poorest
will
not
benefit
from
this
bill.
Now,
therefore,
it
is
resolved
by
the
mayor
and
Council,
the
town
of
Cave
Creek
Arizona
as
follows:
section
one,
the
mayor
and
Council
declared
their
opposition
to
Senate
bill
number
1063
and
House
Bill
2061
in
order
to
allow
the
town
of
Cave
Creek
in
all
cities
and
towns
to
retain
the
tools
necessary
to
meet
their
community's
fiscal
needs
and
to
provide
quality
services
for
the
town
of
Cave
Creek.
M
Thank
you,
Janet
Moore,
Cave
Creek
residence,
so
this
bill,
n117
1117,
is
just
a
ridiculous
bill,
but
the
real
reason
why
that
was
brought
up
was
because
of
developers
constantly
being
fought
against
people
that
really
don't
even
live
in
the
area.
Things
like
that.
So
this
one
I
decided
to
talk
on
because
it's
kind
of
related
we
need
the
tax
money
and
a
white
paper
was
done
back
in
2010
and
Area
18
was
set
aside
to
be
tax
revenue,
but
that
was
shot
down.
M
My
proposal
was
shot
down
for
what
I
wanted
to
do,
which
would
have
given
tax
revenue,
and
now
you
have
a
situation,
that's
out
of
your
control.
If
this
gets
passed,
that's
going
to
cause
us
to
have
a
tax
burden,
because
we
will
no
longer
have
the
tax
revenue
coming
in
to
pay
for
the
fire.
So
I
just
have
to
say
that
and
I
do
want
to
comment.
This
gentleman
here
mentioned
about
how
people
come
in
and
orchestrate,
and
that
was
done
from
to
me.
M
B
A
Motion
to
approve
resolution
r2023-05
a
resolution
of
the
mayor
and
Town
Council,
the
town
of
Cave
Creek,
Maricopa,
County
Arizona,
opposing
Senate
bill
number
1063
and
House
Bill
2061
food
semicolon
Municipal
tax
semicolon
exemption.
Second,
so
that's!
For
me
this
is
an
amazing
one
year.
We
do
great
things
on
on
the
Town
Financing
with
all
kinds
of
back
clips
of
the
next
year.
I
In
the
late
80s
early
90s
I
was
a
member
of
Moon
Valley
Country
Club,
and
there
was
another
member
named
Sam
Lewis,
who
was
in
charge
of
the
prisons
here
in
Arizona
and
anytime
that
the
Arizona
legislature
was
in
session.
I
could
tell
I,
didn't
much
care
about
government
or
politics
at
the
time
or
what
they
were
doing.
But
I
could
tell
the
legislature
in
one
session
by
Sam,
Lewis's
wristware.
He
wore
a
Mickey
Mouse
watch
when
they
were
in
session
and
I
wholeheartedly
understand
that
at
this
point
in
time,.