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From YouTube: 28 August 2023 Special Cave Creek Town Council meeting: Integrated Utilities Master Plan
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A
D
E
A
F
Thank
you,
mayor
council,
first
I'd
like
to
introduce
the
project
team
that
you're
going
to
be
who's
been
working
on
the
project
since
last
December
is
when
we
did
the
selection,
so
Jimmy
immediately
to
my
left
is
Brandi
thinkpen
Brandy's,
actually
with
black
and
Beach
and
Brandy's
been
before
you
before.
She
actually
helped
us
with
the
water
treatment
and
Supply
optimization
study
that
we
did
a
few
years
ago.
F
So
again
we
went
through
a
selection
process
and
we
selected
black
and
Beach
behind
me
is
Lisa
Jackson
from
black
and
Beach
she's.
Actually,
our
project
manager,
at
least
it
has
over
30
years
of
experience
in
doing
Master
planning
throughout
the
valley.
Randy
actually
has
over
24
years
of
experience
in
master
planning
in
the
valley
on
the
Wastewater
system.
They've
brought
on
board
Seth
Morales
from
ght
Seth
has
actually
eight
years
of
direct
experience
and
he
was
actually
involved
also
with
our
collection
system
assessment
project.
So
he
knows
our
this.
F
Our
collection
system
so
he's
helping
us
map
out
the
from
the
master
planning
standpoint,
our
Wastewater
collection
system
and
our
wastewater
treatment
side
of
the
equation
and
for
Water
Resources.
We
have
Brad
Hill
Brad
is
a
registered
geologist,
but
he
has
over
38
years
of
total
experience,
including
we
worked
together
many
years
ago
in
Peoria
for
a
short
period
of
time,
but
actually
Brad
has
actually
also
worked
in
the
city
of
Flagstaff.
He
actually
worked
as
a
water
resources
manager
and
actually
their
utilities.
F
Director
is
now
he's
doing
consulting
so
before
you
I
have
a
team
of
experts,
and
we
have
Michelle
vanquethen
also
to
answer
any
legal
questions,
since
water
always
seems
to
bring
up
any
legal
issues.
So
so
tonight's
agenda
is
really
to
go
through
where
we're
at
with
the
master
planning
and
we
started
last
year
and
we
awarded
a
contract.
It
was
about
December
that
we
did
the
kickoff
project,
the
kickoff
for
the
project
itself
and
when
I
talk
about
an
integrated
master
plan.
F
What
that
means
is
that
we
don't
do
the
individual
components,
because
the
water
system,
all
flows
together,
we're
talking
about
our
raw
Water
Resources,
we're
talking
about
our
treatment,
the
distribution
system.
But
then
some
of
that
water
gets
returned
to
us
in
the
form
of
Wastewater
and
we
have
to
treat
that
and
then
we
actually
do
a
reclaimed
water
system.
So
we
look
at
them
all
in
totality
because
they
all
feed
together,
they're,
not
individual
components.
F
When
we
start
talking
about
the
systems
the
individual,
obviously
we
don't
run
the
Wastewater
system
through
the
distribution
system,
but
just
all
the
numbers
actually
do
work
together.
So
an
integrated
master
plan
is
a
great
way
to
talk
about
that
when
we
start
off
with
the
planning
phase,
which
is
looking
at
how
much
water
does
the
town
need
and
where
is
it
going
to
come
from?
So
that's
what
we're
going
to
start
off
with
tonight's
presentation
and
our
goal
tonight
is
to
give
you
an
update.
F
You
know
what
the
work
we've
done,
we're
at
a
point
with
the
master
plan
that
we
want
to
have
council's
input
and
citizens
input
on
where
we're
at
we've
got
some
suggestions
for
some
some
things
moving
forward,
but
we
didn't
want
to
bring
the
final
report
before
you
without
actually
getting
your
input.
So
we
make
sure
that
we're
on
the
same
page
and
we're
growing
in
the
same
direction.
F
F
G
Sure
here,
thanks
Sean,
so
before
we
can
do
anything,
we
need
to
identify
where
there
are
going
to
be
growth
in
potential
demands
in
the
system.
So
we
have
a
good
idea
and
a
good
understanding
of
where
you're
currently
delivering
water.
But
now
we've
got
to
figure
out.
Where
is
the
the
town
already
obligated
to
or
where
there's
the
potential
for
some
additional
growth?
G
G
E
H
G
Areas
have
a
certain
amount
of
water,
that's
allotted
to
them,
and
some
of
them
are
already
currently
like,
partially
developed,
so
that
would
be
like
Galloway
Ridge
there's
some
Rancho
manana's
Villas
that
are
already
partially
developed
and
then
there's
some
areas:
The
Silo
Grande,
this
Desert
Hills
Ranch,
where
no
development
has
occurred
within
those
areas,
but
you
already
have
an
obligation
to
serve
those
and
those
are
determined
by
adwr.
So
they
say
a
certain
portion
of
your
portfolio
is
allotted
to
those
areas.
G
G
Other
items
of
committed
would
be
committed
subdivisions.
So
what
we're
showing
here
in
some
of
these
dark
black
lines
are
subdivisions
that
you
already
have
agreements
for
the
most
part.
Those
subdivisions
are
more
of
a
one-off
two
off,
but
we
went
in
to
your
parcel
shape,
file
and
ident.
Actually,
the
town
did
and
then
we
used
it,
went
in
and
looked
at
every
single
parcel,
that's
in
a
subdivision
to
determine
if
it's
vacant
or
it
can
have
the
potential
to
develop
on
it.
So.
G
That
has
the
potential
to
develop
on.
We
can
included
those
in
the
demand
areas
as
well,
but
then
you
have
all
these
other
areas
that
sit
outside
of
the
committed
area.
Oh
and
then
the
dwive
sorry
I
forgot,
the
twin.
The
dwive
is
also
considered
a
committed
growth
area,
but
we
did
want
to
look
at
what
is
the
potential
that
for
some
of
these
areas
that
are
outside
these
black
areas
that
are
contiguous
with
and
within
the
town?
G
G
And
then
the
last
area
that
we
looked
at
is
the
Arizona
state
land
and
those
are
all
the
red
taxed
lines
on
there
and
the
Assumption
with
any
of
the
growths
that
occur
within
the
state
land
is
that
they
would
have
to
bring
water
resources
with
them
in
order
for
them
to
develop.
So
if
you
jump
to
the
unless
you
wanted
to.
F
No
yeah
again,
it
says
Bernie
and
Katie.
You
know
when
we
talk
about.
We
have
you've
heard
the
term
before
certificates
of
assured
water
supply.
That's
the
the
light
green
areas.
We
indicated
we
have
existing
subdivisions
that
were
actually
developed
and
plotted
prior
to
the
groundwater
management
back
in
1980s.
F
So
that's
how
we're
trying
to
figure
out
the
accounting,
but
even
if
you
take
into
all
that
again
the
light
bluest
area
we're
currently
servicing
in
town
area,
you
can
see
a
lot
of
the
the
the
yellowish
area
and
yellows
are
a
lot
of
the
partials
that
could
potentially
come
in
and
tie
to
it.
We
had
to
make
a
distinction
and
do
the
calculations.
Could
we
serve
everybody
with
the
Water
Resources?
We
have
taking
away
the
state
land
and
taking
away
the
other
encumberences,
and
the
answer
bluntly,
is
no.
F
We
don't
have
enough
water
resources
to
serve
the
everybody
within
the
municipal
limits.
So
that's
that's
something
that
came
in
light
with
this
process
and
we're
moving
forward
with.
We
have
to
have
a
suggestion
about
that
is
then
in
knowing
that.
How
far
do
we
all
go
with
allowing
individual
connections
to
this
to
the
distribution
system,
so.
A
The
last
question
right
here:
there's
a
provision
in
the
state
water
law
that
the
that
somebody
who
has
the
right
to
water
I've
forgotten
the
City
one,
but
they
have
to
recommit
every
so
often
in
order
to
keep
that
alive.
If
someone
put
something
in
30
years
ago
and
we're
holding
water
that
somebody
can
use
today,
Michelle,
do
you
recall
anything
like
that?
A
E
J
I
I
They
don't
expire,
they
become
unassignable
after
10
years
and
then
they
have
to
be
updated.
So
there
could
be
an
opportunity
for
another
review
if
they're
assigned
to
a
new
owner,
there's
also
an
effort.
I
know
in
some
water
provider
areas
where
they've
become
quite
long
in
the
tooth
to
actually
go
in
abandoned
Flats,
so
I
don't
know
if
that's
something
that
Tom
might
eventually
consider
and
in
some
cases
the
plots
were
never
really
approved
to
final
flat.
I
So
there
are
a
number
of
contingencies,
but
just
because
they're,
a
certificate
of
assured
water
supply
in
the
town
is
committed
to
serve
does
not
mean
that
the
there
are
not
additional
requirements
that
are
going
to
have
to
be
met
for
that
developer
to
develop.
So
who
knows
if
that'll
happen,
yeah.
A
The
only
Point
here
is,
the
town
should
not
give
away
that
option.
If
we
get
to
the
point
where
we're
where
we
don't
have
enough
for
someone
a
project
comes
in
it
to
me,
it
doesn't
make
any
rational
common
sense
to
have
something
happen.
30
years
ago,
keep
a
current
project
yeah
we
made.
We
may
want
to
invoke
that,
and
staff
should
be
on
the
lookout
for
that.
If
it
comes
up
that
that
ought
to
be
a
decision
Point
as
to
whether
that
goes
forward
or
not.
E
E
K
I
Their
certificate
is,
it
doesn't
expire,
but
it
is
tied
exactly
to
the
plot
that
was
offered
or
the
area
at
least
that
was
offered
with
it.
If,
if
a
developer
wants
to
develop
pursuant
to
the
original
certificate,
but
they
change
ownership-
and
so
you
know
Cahaba
Springs
LLC
would
change
to
you
know
Meritage
LLC.
They
would
have
to
go
through
an
assignment
process
and
in
that
process,
if
the
certificate
is
older
than
10
years,
they
do
have
to
do
some
updating.
But
it
is
it's
still
good.
It's
just.
I
C
F
I'm,
not
sure
if
the
subdivide
them
into
smaller
errors,
that'd
be
have
to
be
a
discussion,
but
we
actually
have
the
development
agreements
in
place.
Pre-Annexation
development
agreements
in
place
for
those
three
larger
properties,
I,
don't
think
someone
could
come
in
and
buy
a
couple
of
lots
within
that,
and
then
we
inherently
just
start
providing
services
to
them.
They
fall
within
that
boundaries.
If
they
came
in
to
talk
to
us,
we'd
say
you
fall
within
the
boundaries
of
Willow
Springs
area.
You
have
to
bring
water
resources
for
us
to
provide
you
service.
C
F
I
If
I
might
yeah,
there
is
no
obligation
under
state
law
to
take
on
new
customers,
except
for,
if
you
do
take
on
new
customers,
you
have
to
not
discriminate.
So
what
you're
doing
now
is
setting
a
plan,
and
you
could
put
in
your
plan
that
you're
not
going
to
provide
water
to
the
state
lands.
That's
also
in
development
agreements
currently,
but
to
the
extent
those
expire
and.
I
About
that's
a
very
good
question:
it's
not
really
defined
in
the
law
what
discrimination
means,
but
I
I've
always
believed
it
to
just
mean
that
you
have
you,
you
have
to
have
a
good
reason
for
the
distinction.
That
is
not
you
know,
because
somebody
wears
bad
clothes
and
the
other
person
doesn't
wear
bad
clothes.
I
E
G
So
now
we've
taken
the
map
that
we
were
just
looking
at
and
we're
putting
it
into
numbers,
and
so
we
have
these
numbers
in
gallons
per
day,
but
then
also
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
this
table.
This
is
an
acre
of
these,
because
just
so,
whichever
way
you
look
at
it,
some
people
like
it
in
gallons
per
day
versus
hrp
so
and
what
we're
showing
is.
G
Okay,
today
existing
demand,
which
is
currently
within
the
town,
as
well
as
what
is
currently
connected
out
in
Desert
Hills,
and
so
one
of
the
things
I
should
have
clarified.
With
the
exception
of
the
two
certificated
areas
out
in
Desert
Hills,
we
are
under
the
assumption
that
there
will
be
no
additional
connections
outside
of
what
you
are
currently
serving
Desert
Hill.
So
the
only
new
connections
out
in
Desert
Hills
would
be
the
certificated
areas.
So
then
we
just
kind
of
move
down
in
priority
of
of
future
connection.
G
So
we
have
the
two
different
types
of
certificated
areas,
those
with
minor
growth
and
with
significant
growth,
and
we
are
asterisk
asterisk
being
that
that
is
per
adwr
allotment,
not
what
they
are
currently
using.
So
that's
again
getting
back
to
what
you
guys
were
just
talking
about
with
the
potential
for
some
water
on
the
table.
There,
then
we
go
into.
We
add
in
the
committed
subdivision
and
the
committed
web,
and
so
with
just
those
committed
areas.
G
The
annual
demand
is
going
to
increase
from
1.5
MGD
to
2.3
MGD,
with
just
what
is
committed
and
then
and
Brad's
going
to
get
up
here
in
a
few
and
we're
going
to
then
start
talking
about
water
resources
and
what
that
looks
like
under
a
current
like
if
you
have
all
of
your
resources
available
and
some
potential
drought
conditions
which
is
going
to
be
prudent,
for
you
guys
to
look
at
what
does
that?
What
happens
to
those
supplies
under
various
drought
conditions?
So
so
we're
looking
at
what
is
existing
and
committed?
G
And
then
we
add
in
the
vacant
in
potential
and
what
we're
considering
those
potential
is
exactly
what
you
guys
were
just
talking
about
somebody
who's
currently
on
a
private.
Well,
so
there's
a
structure
on
that
piece
of
property:
they're
not
connected
to
your
system
and
but
they're
on
a
well.
So
that's
what
we're
considering
potential,
but
we
kind
of
threw
them
all
into
the
same
bucket,
whether
or
not
there's
a
structure
on
that
parcel
or
not.
A
A
F
F
Yeah,
some
of
our
previous
discussions,
we've
had
we've
actually
looked
at
it,
and
we've
been
working
with
adwr
to
try
and
get
better
numbers
for
the
certificated
areas
and,
as
you
see
the
the
the
committed
cause
areas,
we
do
have
some
areas
that
have
more
allocation
and
we
think
they'll
ever
use
and
we
haven't
been
able
to
finalize
that
discussions
with
adwr
staff
to
get
them
to
agree
partly
for
the
future
ones.
They
don't
want
to
give
up
future
Water,
Resources
I
think
we
have
an
opportunity
with
the
current
ones.
A
G
We
have
some
we
get
through
the
next,
so
let
me
just
jump
real
quick,
so
this
is
just
showing
it
again
slightly
different
story
or
slightly
different
presentation,
but
the
same
story
so
we're
showing
what
happens
if
there's
no
growth,
what
happens
under
moderate,
aggressive
future
and
then
looking
and
that's
exactly
what
what
Sean
was
just
showing.
If
we
look
at
just
your
cap,
M
and
I,
which
is
the
darker
black
dotted
line,
it
exceeds
your
moderate
growth
and
your
moderate
growth
includes
all
of
your
committed
growth.
G
Then,
if
you
add
what
we're
considering
aggressive
growth
would
be
the
future
and
the
potential
and
then
the
the
future
growth
with
new
resources
is
the
brown
line,
so
under
the
under
a
condition
where
you
have
a
hundred
percent
of
your
cap
allotment
and
a
hundred
percent
of
your
Nia.
Yes,
you
have
enough
water
to
meet
your
committed
demand.
G
J
F
This
is
part
of
the
reason
for
doing
the
master
plan.
Is
we
do
look
out
again
we're
looking
at
two
scenario
of
2050.
so
where
we
at
today,
we
actually
have
some
Mobility,
but
it
slowly
Creeps
in
very
quickly.
We
have
to
make
decisions.
Now
we
have
time
to
make
decisions.
Now
we
don't
want
to
wait
till
later
to
make
those
decisions.
L
So
mayor
vice
mayor
city,
council,
Brad,
Hill
and
nice
to
see
you
again
vice
mayor,
it's
been
a
long
time.
One
of
the
things
that
this
graph
I'm
going
to
step
through
you
guys
are
jumping
to
Jumping
ahead,
which
is
good,
so
we're
just
going
to
lead
into
the
conversation.
One
of
the
things
that's
not
on
this
graph
is
the
groundwater
that's
being
pumped.
So
actually
it's
not
just
a
cap,
M
and
I.
L
L
So
if
you
can
ask
I
talked
to
the
again
on
registered
professional
geologist
and
I
talked
to
your
consultant,
although
that's
not
what
I'm
providing
here
on
the
Water
Resource
side,
I
did
talk
to
your
your
hydrogeologist
last
week.
On
that
exact
question
again,
you
guys
just
jump
right
to
the
killer
points.
If
you
could
go
to
the
next
slide
shot
because
I
think
it'll
talk.
Oh
sorry,
yeah.
F
Brad's
referring
to
is
actually
a
Clear
Creek
associate,
though
the
town
engaged
with
Clear
Creek
Associates,
just
over
two
years
ago,
when
we
were
working
ahead
with
our
towns,
Water
Resources
plan,
which
back
then
allowed
us
to
put
the
new
policy
in
place
to
to
limit
new
connections
outside
Desert
Hills
because
they
were
on
ground
water,
and
at
that
time
we
did
say
that
Clear
Creek
recommended
they
said
long
term.
It's
not
sustainable
for
New
Growth,
especially
the
well
water
out
there,
we've
taken
it
a
step
further
and
actually
had
Clear
Creek.
F
Do
some
studies
of
the
existing
Wells
and
town
and
also
recharge
potential
in
town
to
allow
that
to
be
added
into
the
equation
because,
again
part
of
a
master
plan.
You
look
out
at
the
future
of
what
the
connected
demands
could
be,
and
then
you
work
into
Solutions.
Obviously
we
don't
have
enough
cap,
Municipal
and
Industrial
water
CP
allocation
to
do
that.
So
now,
how
do
you
get
to
that
point?
And
then
part
of
that
is
again.
The
future
growth
is.
F
We
do
have
some
state
land
in
there
where
state
land
would
have
to
bring
about
1400.
Acre
feet
of
water
if
they
weren't
wanting
to
develop,
but
that's
something
the
town
may
want
to
develop
things
like
the
coresight
that
be
beneficial
to
the
town
to
get
the
tax
revenue.
So
that's
something
we
have
to
weigh
into
the
future,
but
I'll.
Let
Brad
continue.
L
Okay,
thank
you
Sean.
So
to
get
to
your
question,
councilmember
McGuire,
the
207
you'll,
see
some
red
circles
on
this.
First
of
all,
what
this
table
illustrates
is
what
your
water
supplies
are
today
and
projected
to
be
a
build
out.
Those
are
the
two
columns
when
looking
at
the
horizontal
rows,
the
as
we've
been
talking
about
that
you,
you
know
your
m.
I
priority.
You
know
your
Nia,
which
is
acceptable
susceptible
to
shortage.
Actually,
both
of
those
are,
but
we
put
some
red
lines
on.
L
L
That
question
is
how
how
sustainable
is
it
after
talking
with
Clear,
Creek
and
Associates
I'm,
going
to
do
a
little
extra
work
for
Sean
and
are
going
to
come
up
with
a
better
number
than
that
I
just
literally
talked
with
him
last
week,
so
I
didn't
have
time
to
modify
that
number,
but
we
recognized
that
number
probably
won't
be
at
build
out.
207
like
it
is
today
at.
C
L
Entities
they
they
will
so
on.
Here
we
show
zero,
that's
the
other,
that's
the
other,
a
red
circle
under
the
Cave
Creek
groundwater.
So
some
of
the
solutions
since
you've
already
jumped
to
the
the
you
know
the
the
story,
the
punch
line.
If
you
will
some
of
the
solutions
are
going
to
be
reclaimed,
water
and
recommendation
of
exploring
groundwater
solely
from
the
emergency
and
I
when
I
get
to
the
scenarios
that
the
staff
is
looked
at
in
terms
of
potential
future
shortages
of
your
cep,
water
supplies
we're
going
to
go
through
some
of
them.
L
You're
going
to
we're
going
to
recommend
is
a
emergency
type,
backup
supplies
for
baby
for
a
year
or
or
we
have
a
variety
of
options
that
we're
going
to
bring
forward
to
for
consideration,
but
clearly
that
is
one
of
them
not
as
a
long-term,
sustainable
Supply,
but
perhaps
as
a
as
a
backup
Supply.
A
lot
of
municipalities
in
the
valley
do
exactly
that.
Unfortunately,
your
challenge
from
the
from
the
geology
side
is
you're
at
the
edge
of
the
Basin,
and
so
you
don't
have
a
whole
lot
of
groundwater.
L
You're
up
against
Europe
against
up
against
the
exactly
up
against
the
basin.
So
when
looking
at
the
total
supplies
mayor
I'm
going
to
come
back
to
your
comments
about
the
numbers,
at
least
one
of
the
things
that
we
noticed
was
reclaimed
water.
If
you
bring
reclaimed
water
and
modify
how
you
use
reclaimed
water,
that's
a
resource
that
brings
that
number
up.
L
So
if
you
don't
have
any
further
questions,
I'll
jump
to
the
slide.
So
what
this
slide
and
you're
going
to
see
several
like
this
are,
is
Brandy's
work
that
she
just
showed
you,
which
are
the
horizontal
lines
of
no
growth.
The
green
is
moderate
and
the
blue
is
aggressive
growth.
We
didn't
show
the
future
growth
on
this
slide
and
then
it's
superimposed
by
these
vertical
bars,
which
represents
your
water
supplies.
The
dark
blue
is
your
M
and
I
in
a
normal
year.
L
C
C
F
Yeah,
it
is
not
as
secure
as
our
Municipal
industrial.
You
know
this
last
winter
was
a
good
winter,
so
the
projection
is
right.
Now
we
went
from
a
tier
two
on
cap
wash
buys
to
a
tier
one
in
this
upcoming
year,
so
but
yeah
the
variability
moving
forward
is
something
that
Brad
will
get
into
some
different
scenario,
options
that
we
need
to
consider.
C
E
L
L
L
L
Through
these
we've
talked
about
the
full
allocation,
no
reductions
whatsoever,
the
phased
in
implementation
of
the
drought.
Contingency
plan-
that's
what's
existing
today,
it
is
going
to
be
renegotiated
between
now
and
2026.
But
what
this
scenario
is
what,
if
the
renegotiations
to
say,
let's
just
stay
with
tier
three,
so
that
was
one
of
the
scenarios.
L
On
top
of
that
same
scenario,
it's
companion
is
what,
if
the
federal
government
were
to
recognize
that
there's
actually
evaporation
on
the
Colorado
River
system
off
the
river
and
the
dams
are,
are
going
to
be
attributed
to
the
lower
base
in
the
upper
Basin.
That's
part
of
the
structural
deficit.
That's
been
what
if
they
take
another
21
off
as
it
relates
to
the
state
of
Arizona's
Supply,
so
that's
a
38
to
48
all
of
those
on
the
right.
All
of
those
show
Nia
water
go
into
zero.
L
Every
single
conversation,
that's
been
in
terms
of
these
types
of
scenarios,
show
nie
water
going
to
zero.
So,
coming
back
to
the
comments
that
were
made
earlier,
the
other
one
was
a
the
what's
known
as
the
consensus-based
modeling,
as
per
the
bureau
last
summer,
asked
to
ask
the
the
lower
Basin
states
to
conserve
two
to
four
million
acre
feet.
This
scenario
is
what
six
of
the
seven
states
came
forward
with:
California
came
up
with
their
own
and
it
showed
a
35
reduction
to
M
and
I
just
flat
35
reduction.
L
Another
one
was
what,
if
the
hydrology,
what,
if
2022
3
winner
this
past
winter
didn't
occur,
and
we
still
had
the
same
hydrology
we've
been
experiencing
over
the
last
five
years.
That's
6.686
million
acre
feet
coming
off
the
river,
as
opposed
to
now
cep
last
week
said
it
was
13
point
something
million
acre
feet
so
much
different.
But
what?
If
this
scenario
is
what?
If
we
go
back
to
that
again?
L
What
is
that
kind
of
reduction
look
like
anywhere
from
essentially
half
of
the
immunize,
the
towns,
mni
water
supply
and
then
the
last
two
are
something
that
just
occurred
in
April
this
spring,
as
as
part
of
the
the
what's
known
as
the
supplemental
environmental
impact
statement.
Again,
it's
a
process.
The
bureau
Reclamation
is
going
through.
L
They
released
two
Alternatives
and-
and
so
we
looked
at
that
and
what
that
would
mean
to
to
the
town
Cap
supplies
what
if
those
Alternatives
actually
became
moving
forward,
the
first
one
was
a
priority
based
which
would
be
what
California
would
want.
They're
the
senior
priority
Arizona
it's
a
junior
priority,
so
you
would
have
a
44
reduction
to
your
m.
I
supplies
or
they're
more
favorable
to
the
State
of
Arizona.
What,
if
it's
done
on
a
pro
rata
basis?
L
You
know
we
all
play
well
in
the
pond
and
and
we
all
take
Cuts-
that's
a
five
percent
reduction.
So
what
that,
with
all
of
those
of
what
we
looked
at
and
what
The,
Water,
Resource
team
and
and
Sean's
team
decided
on
well
we're
going
to
move
forward
with
is
those
shifted
just
a
little
bit
as
the
full
out
is
the
is
the
full
allocation
and
the
tier
three
so
from
zero?
Really
just
it's
about
the
percent.
So
let
me
just
talk
about
that.
L
We're
going
to
look
at
what,
if
tier
three
were
to
continue
into
the
future,
so
you
lose
essentially
a
quarter
of
your
water
supply,
27
and
then
the
bottom
to
the
draft
Eis
44
or
something
five
percent.
The
reason
why
the
team
selected
those
four
to
move
forward
with
this.
They
gave
us
and
you
a
a
broad
enough
range
and
reductions
that
it's
going
to
highlight
and
flag
either
Water
Resource
issues,
growth.
You
can't
meet
issues
or
infrastructure
problems,
so
we
thought
those
were
reasonable
to
move
forward
within
this
planning
effort.
L
So,
looking
at
the
tier
three,
this
is
again
one
of
the
conditions.
Today,
the
drop
contingency
plan
were
to
continue
into
the
future.
What
that
illustrates,
so
that
what
that,
what
that
means
is
is
a
reminder.
Nie
goes
to
in
these
scenarios.
Nia
goes
to
zero
next
year,
knowing
we'll
probably
redo
the
math
or
want
to
redo
it,
because
we
know
at
the
earliest
it'll
be
in
26,
not
24,
but
we
didn't
know
that
when
we
did
this
math,
these
conversations
are
so
fluid.
L
I,
wasn't
a
pun
that
wasn't
intentional
they're
so
fluid
that
we
had
to
kind
of
stop
put
the
pins
down
and
do
the
math.
So
we
could.
We
could
update
these,
so
Nia
goes
to
zero
in
2024
and
then,
as
I
mentioned,
the
phased
in
reduction
of
your
m,
I
Supply
from
14
to
27.
So
the
answer,
but
the
result
of
that
is
you're
going
to
hit
a
shortage.
You
know
in
five
six
years
under
moderate
under
excuse
me
under
your
existing
under
your
can
we
aggressive
excuse
me.
G
L
A
L
You're
asking
questions
that
are
going
to
happen
at
the
state
level
and
I'm
gonna.
If
you
want
to
jump
in,
but
so
those
Congress
nothing
has
settled
yet.
Everyone
are
in
I'm
working
for
several
clients
and
they're
facing
this
exact,
similar
issue
that
what
we're
presenting.
So
we
all
hope
that
there's
going
to
be
some
solutions
at
the
higher
level
yeah.
A
I
L
L
The
next
one
is
what
if
the
the
federal
government's
proposal
gets
legs
and
actually
were
to
be
get
implemented
at
post
2026,
and
what
this
one
represents
is
what
I
said
would
be
what
California
want.
This
is
the
law
of
the
river.
That's
what
this
model
is
the
less
effectively
the
law
of
the
river.
Well,
that
would
mean
whenever
it
gets
implemented
in
this
graph.
We
said
2024,
but
we
know
it's
probably
2026..
If
it
were
to
get
implemented,
you
would
instantly
be
in
a
shortage.
C
L
If
you
take
Arizona's
position
in
this
discussion
at
the
the
under
the
supplemental
draft
Eis
five
percent
reduction-
well,
you
can
weather
a
five
percent
reduction
quite
some
time
until
roughly
2036,
so
that
gives
you
some
time
to
figure
out.
What's
your
solutions
to
your
committed,
we've
already
talked
about
you've
already
over
committed,
but
it
gives
you
a
little
bit
of
breathing
room.
L
It's
not
like
you
know
tomorrow,
so
to
speak,
and
when
I
say
tomorrow,
I
don't
really
mean
tomorrow
for
those
of
you
in
the
Water
Resource
world
tomorrow
is
you
know
five
years
you
know
it's,
it
happens
really
fast,
so
we
it
so
we
have
to
plan
so
I
didn't
mean
to
say
that
you'd
run
out
of
water
tomorrow.
If
one
of
these
were
implemented,
I
just
wanted
to
be
very
clear
about
that.
L
But
you
you
face
some
pretty
strong
headwinds
when
it
comes
to
whatever
the
shortages
are,
thank
goodness
for
mother
nature
and
the
and
and
what
happened
the
hydrology.
What
happened
this
year
as
it
gave
everyone
a
two-year
break,
but
the
pedals
on
the
metal
you
got
to
find
a
solution.
You
can't
get
you
can't.
You
can't
rest
on
those
Laurels
by
no
means
these
graphs
illustrate
that.
C
L
These
are
the
shortages,
so
they're,
pretty
large
shortages
at
2050.,
I've
shown
you
those
other
graphs
between
putting
brandish
growth
and
and
the
Water
Supplies
on
top
of
each
other,
where
those
where
the
timing
of
when
those
shortages
occur.
This
is
the
total
volumes
at
build
out
relative
to
your
committed
and
your
aggressive
growth.
L
A
Will
it
can
we
pause
a
talk?
I
mean
before
we
move
on
to
the
implications
here.
There's
some
pretty
heavy
implications
behind
this
right
now,
I
mean
you
told
us
number
one.
Is
we
we're
over
committed
we're
over
committing
Desert
Hills,
where
we
have
you
to
water
that
they
don't
possess
by
allocation
right
now
to
some
certificate
to
sort
of
certificated
subdivisions?
So
you
start
looking
at
what
you're
going
to
do
currently,
let
alone
out
with
the
drought,
contingency
issues.
F
Actually,
in
fact,
since
we
put
the
2021
water
resource
master
plan
in
place,
our
Water
Resource
policy,
the
the
growth
out
in
Desert
Hill,
has
stayed
fairly
static.
The
demand
out
in
Desert
Hills.
We
still
have
these
two
two
large
certificated
areas
that
are
committed
to
I've
actually
had
one
developer,
talk
to
me
about
it,
but
now,
in
both
cases,
there's
actually
infrastructure
agreements
in
place
too,
where
they
have
to
build
some
infrastructure
one
case
they
have
to
bring
some
water
resources
to
us,
but
not
the
full
allocation,
but
yeah.
F
We
want
to
be
realistic,
but
I
think
the
the
work
that
we
did
in
2021
has
helped
the
city
how
it
has
helped
the
town.
Sorry,
you
know
we.
We
also
rely
on
those
customers
to
provide
Revenue
to
the
town
also,
so
we
have
to
sort
of
balance
that
out.
You
know
we
are
providing
them
water,
but
we
have
significantly
decreased.
If
not
almost
have
a
zero
growth
out
there.
We
do
have
some
future
commitments
that
we
need
to
account
for
in
a
water
resource
discussion
though,
but.
F
The
ground
yeah,
you
know
of
the
three
walls
that
we
have
out
there,
the
Third
Avenue
and
joy
Ranch.
Well,
the
groundwater
table
to
be
more
stable
up.
There
we
think
what's
happening,
is
Anthem
has
been
doing
some
recharge
and
we're
getting
the
benefit
of
that
recharge.
The
two
lower
Wells
that
we
have
a
Galvin
at
10th,
Street,
more
towards
Carefree
Highway,
yes,
they've
been
more
stressed
and
the
production
has
gone
down,
but
the
Third
Avenue
door.
Ranch
has
been
more
stable
and
actually
groundwater
table.
So.
F
L
And
based
upon
my
conversation
with
Cutter
Creek
I'm,
going
to
come
up
with
some
guesstiments
of
what,
and
so
absolutely
we
think
going
into
the
future
using
that
207
meaning
the
current
pumping
right
now
at
Desert.
Hills
is
probably
not
what
we
would
recommend
to
to
plan
for
I
would
plan
for
some
decreased
pumping
from
those
from
those
Wells.
So
mayor
can
I
go
to
this
slide
because,
oh.
A
M
L
Let
the
whole
team
ask
or
answer
questions
if
you
have
any
on
some
specifically
so
first
thing
you,
you
have
the
emergency
Powers
available
to
you
and
now
I'm
talking
about,
let's
say:
44
reduction
in
2026,
meaning
the
the
the
U.S
Bureau
of
Reclamation
moves
forward
with
the
pro
rata.
Excuse
me,
the
law
of
the
river.
You
have
you
have
powers
that
they
may
not.
So
you
have
those
some
of
this
is
going
to
be
mitigated.
Some
of
this
problem
is
going
to
be
mitigated
by
the
water
bank.
L
L
How
is
that
going
to
happen
to
to
help
municipalities
early
on
but
I,
think
what
you're
going
to
find
is
the
water
bank
is
going
to
help
you
sooner
and
not
into
the
future,
so
they're
going
to
soften
the
blow,
but
you're
still
going
to
have
municipalities
are
still
going
to
have
to
deal
with
it.
The
other
recommendation
is,
you
should
continue
doing
what
you're
doing
now
for
any
water
that
you
can
afford
to
put
in
the
ground.
L
L
Whatever
the
scenario
that
we
should
just
pick,
can
we
can
we
get
access
to
your
cap
water
for
like
that
year
because
they
can
because
they're
not
gonna,
they
again,
there's
new
several
of
the
larger
tribes
and
cities
that
haven't
grown
into
their
needs,
so
they
may
be
be
worth
of
trial
balloon
to
see
if
they'd
be
interested
to
even
it
to
even
go
after
that,
because
what
that
would
do
is
keep
your
plant
wet
in
the
short
in
the
short
term.
You
could
get
some
water
supplier,
then.
C
L
L
So
they
can
withstand
shortages
much
better
than
you,
town
of
Cave,
Creek,
you're,
you're,
very
much
a
water
treatment,
plant-based
entity,
so
they're
doing
agreements,
and
you
just
read
about
those
or
if
you
haven't
you
can
get
on
Arizona
Central
and
read
those
so
they're
doing
exchanges
we
put
water
with
you
and
then,
when
their
shortages,
we'll
take
your
water.
So
it's
that
kind
of
concept.
This
is
a
little
different,
though
this
is
taking
their
unused
portion
and
saying.
Can
we
get
access
to
that
for
a
year
or
two
years,
whatever.
L
Is
and
so
yeah
so
there's
been
a
handful
of
cities
that
have
been
working
and
what
I'm
recommending
the
team
is
recommending
is
you
may
want
to
consider
if
they're
even
interested
in
entertaining
that,
because
that
could
help
you
in
the
short
term?
If
something
were
to
happen
in
two
or
three
years,
those
kind
of
conversations
today
is
see.
If
they
even
are
interested,
would
it
help
keep
your
treatment
plant
wet
so
to
speak?
If
you
follow,
follow
what
I
mean
by
get
you
water
today
and.
A
F
That's
a
good
question:
that's
one
of
the
reasons
we're
doing
this
master
plan.
That's
why
I,
don't
sleep
well
at
night,
so
is
to
see
you
know
at
what
point
do
we
have
to
say
that
you
know
we
did
it
in
Desert
Hills,
because
it
was
really
a
water
resource-based
issue
that
water
company
did
not
have
surface
water
and
we
were
supplementing
them
with
service
water,
so
it
made
sense.
What
do
we
do
in
the
near
term
in
the
town?
Yes,
that's
the
discussion
we
need
to
have
and
to
think
about
more.
F
There
are
other
options
to
get
new
Water
Resources
into
the
town.
Well,
as
we
go
through
the
presentational
present,
though
so
yeah
when
I
first
I
think
it
was
a
few
months
ago
we
had
this
presentation
internally
in
one
of
the
project
meetings.
Yeah
I
did
not
sleep.
Well,
the
last
next
couple
of
nights
trying
to
figure
this
out
and
there's
no
easy
solution,
but
it's
good
to
have
the
conversation
and
we
need
to
have
the
conversation
now.
L
A
L
So
the
second
half
of
this
table
is
the
website,
meaning
what
what
will
get
you
real
water,
not
agreements
or
anything
at
this
moment,
and
so
we've
already
mentioned
talk
about,
you
may
want
to
consider
drilling
new
wells
or
rehabilitate
your
existing
just
as
an
emergency.
If
something
were
to
occur,
I'll,
let
Sean
I
think
the
team's
going
to
be
talking
about
these
efficiencies.
L
Number
two,
the
obvious,
is
three:
if
anything
comes
available
on
cep,
we
have
to
put
it
there,
just,
although
we
understand
this
challenges
and
then
really
what
what
the
team
has
recognized
is,
you
might
want
to
take
a
hard
look
at
your
reclaimed.
Water
and
I
know
Brandy
and
Sean,
and
others
are
going
to
be
talking
about
that
in
the
future.
Exactly
how
you
deal
with
efficiencies
and
or
recharging,
your
unused
reclaimed,
water
and
our
contract
was
I
believe
with
that.
F
Yeah
we
just
want
to
wrap
this
up
by
talking
about.
This
is
one
of
the
reasons.
One
of
the
reasons
the
town
was
moving
forward.
In
2021
we
did
the
Water
Resource
policy,
which
limited
New
Growth
new
connections
outside
of
the
town's
Municipal
limits
unless
there
was
a
statutory
or
contractual
obligation.
Last
year
we
worked
on
developing
the
drought,
water
shortage
and
drought
management
plan,
where
we
better
Define
what
a
drought
means
to
Cave
Creek,
specifically
because
right
now
we
are
such
as
Colorado
River
cap
supplied
system,
so
we've
been
working
on
that
plan.
F
F
Moving
forward,
we've
seen
we've
since
had
some
feedback
from
both
Council
Marshall
from
the
public,
so
we're
actually
revisiting
the
document
as
as
written
and
we're
going
to
still
want
a
plan
to
bring
It
Forward,
because
this
is
one
of
the
the
tools
that
we
need,
which
is
the
ability
for
Council
to
make
these
hard
decisions
moving
forward
and
as
we
defined
in
the
the
drought
management
plan.
Is
that
we'll
come
forward
on
an
annual
basis
and
more
frequent
is
necessary?
F
Is
that
we'll
be
watching
the
water
projections,
as
well
as
our
supplies
and
physically
bringing
to
forward
to
cancer?
Are
we
in
a
case
where
the
town's
in
a
shortage
and
immediate
need?
The
master
plan
is
looking
out?
You
know
to
2050
and
before
that,
when
the
issue
is
going
to
occur
in
the
drought
management
plan
helps
really
fill
that
in,
but
we
still
need
to
move
forward
with
the
town
code.
Changes
to
allow
us
to
be
more
proactive
and
not
have
to
deal
with
this
reactively.
F
When
it
comes
up,
we
know
we're
going
to
have
to
deal
with
something,
but
I
just
want
to
give
Council
an
update
on
that.
We
did
not
come
back
for
the
second
reading,
because
we're
doing
modification
to
the
text
and
we'll
be
coming
back,
we're
really
doing
is,
is
taking
out
a
town
code.
We
had
some
specific
stuff
in
there
about
what
out,
how
we
defined
outdoor
watering
and
we're
going
to
remove
that
and
give
the
Town
Council
a
little
more
latitude
in
the
future.
F
And
with
that
you
know
the
next
phase
of
it.
We
talk
about
the
water,
what
you
know
the
wet
water
paper
water,
but
we
actually
need
to
actually
get
water,
production
and
distribution.
So
once
we
actually
get
the
water
rights
and
moving
the
water
around
us,
it's
been
another
big
component.
That's
why
I
get
an
integrated
master
plan.
You
look
at
your
water
resources
and
then
how
can
you
move
that
water
around?
E
F
We
still
have
a
lot
of
six
inch
and
smaller
lines
in
our
distribution
system
and
you
can't
move
2,
000
gallons
a
minute
and
anything
smaller
than
an
eight
inch
line.
So
back
in
2019,
they
came
up
with
a
recommendation
of
about
43
million
dollars
in
improvements
that
were
necessary
to
the
distribution
system
in
order
to
meet
that
fire
fire
flow
requirement.
We've
been
talking
talking
internally
and
Jim.
F
Do
you
want
to
come
up
because
we,
actually,
we
have
the
ability
to
talk
to
Jim
four
Jim's
actually
involved
in
the
creation
of
some
fire
standards
and
and
Scottsdale.
So
what
we're
projecting
are
wanting
to
present
to
council
I,
don't
think
you
agree
is
some
standards
that
Scott
still
developed
and
Jim
was
actually
instrumental
in
helping
develop
this.
F
Where
Scott
still
had
some
similar
situations
where
they
had
pressure
zones
or
areas
of
their
system,
they
could
not
provide
the
you
know
a
thousand
or
two
thousand
gallons
a
minute
of
fire
flow,
which
is
more
typical
for
residential
subdivisions.
Where
you
have
Loop
lines
and
you're
more
stable
pressure
zones.
We
don't
have
that
and
then
what
Scottsdale
came
up
with
was
the
standard,
and
it
was
largely
based
on
the
fact
that
Scott
still
had
had
a
standard
similar
to
the
town
of
requiring
residential
homes
to
be
sprinklered.
F
So
you
have
a
lot
of
the
the
life
safety
requirements
are
being
covered.
So
once
you
take
that
equation
out
or
that
life
safety
factor
in
then
you
can
go
deal
with
a
smaller
volume
and
what
was
decided
in
Scottsdale
shows
up
in
their
development
standards
is
500
gallons
a
minute
which
is
a
much
ease
your
threshold
for
the
town
to
meet
and
I.
Think
more,
so
it
actually
better
fits
our
topography
and
the
fits
our
dish,
our
existing
distribution
system.
F
You
know
if
we
were
to
move
forward
with
the
2013
fire
infrastructure
assessment,
that
43
million
dollars
from
2013
is
probably
80
to
100
million
dollars
worth
of
improvements
that
we'd
have
to
move
forward
with
and
I
I
personally,
don't
feel
it's
prudent
for
the
town
of
our
sides
and
our
system
to
do
that.
We'll
run
into
things
like
water
quality
issues.
F
If
we
have
to
start
oversizing
pipelines,
which
we
already
struggle
with
in
our
system
as
well
as
you'll,
have
booster
pump
stations
which
will
sit
on
you,
so
I'll
have
boost
your
pump
set
unless
I
test
them
we'll
never
get
used
for
fireflow
events,
but
I'll.
Let
Jim
talk
about
maybe
some
of
the
process
that
he
worked
with
when
he
was
in
Scottsdale
to
come
up
with
the
criteria
that
we're
looking
to
follow.
N
Well,
thank
you
chairman
mayor
and
Council
I.
Don't
know
if
it's
a
good
thing
or
a
bad
thing
that
I
did.
But
when
Sean
was
talking
about
this,
we
did
a
lot
of
studying
way
back
in
the
early
80s
on
this.
When
we
first
went
to
our
home
and
it's,
it
basically
required
a
zero
square
foot.
If
you
build
in
the
city
you're
going
to
have
to
protect
those
structures,
life
safety
for
residential
commercial
for
for
that
and
so
the
water
department.
N
As
we
mentioned,
we
worked
very
closely
with
the
water
department
and
the
calculations
and
all
that,
and
so
what
we
came
up
with
is
what
you're
seeing
on
the
screen
is
for
residential,
a
minimum
of
500
gallons,
a
minute
for
commercial
minimum
of
50
and
multi-family
a
minimum
of
1500
gallons
a
minute.
And
if
you
ask
a
lot
of
the
fire
departments,
they'll
say
that's
not
enough.
We
can't
do
that.
You
know
we
need
more.
N
So
if
we
could
get
500
gallons
a
minute
in
the
residential
areas
and
1500
gallons
a
minute
in
the
town
core
is
really
the
only
area
you're
going
to
need
to
town
core
in
your
commercial
areas,
then
that
is
a
huge
relief
to
Sean's
system
and
the
way
that
you
do
that
six
inch
Mains
can
do
that
six
inch
Mains
can
easily
do
that,
especially
if
we
can
Loop
them.
If
you
can
take
every
opportunity
you
can
to
Loop
those
means,
which
is
what
we
did
you
put.
N
You
can
push
a
thousand
gallons
a
minute
through
a
loop,
six
inch
Main
and
we
have
not
had
any
issues
and
I've
been
there
a
long
time
before.
Carrie
talked
me
into
coming
out
here,
but
I
was
there
a
long
time.
We
did
not
have
any
issues
even
with
the
big
houses
that
we
built
up
in
desert
mountain
and
up
in
DC
Ranch.
In
those
areas
there
were
huge,
huge
houses.
The
protection
is
built
in
the
protection
is
built
in
for
those
homes,
and
so
it's
up
to
them.
N
If
we
give
them
500
gallons
a
minute
or
have
the
ability
to
get
500
gallons
a
minute
system,
they
can
protect
their
structures.
You've
done
that
now,
I
I
meant
to
write
down
the
date
that
you
passed
your
ordinance,
but
it's
been
what
98
or
something
like
that.
I
can
get
that
for
you
and
we'll
get
that
for
you,
but
you've
you've
been
sprinkling
homes
already
about
40
percent
of
your
houses
are
sprinkled
those
that's
that
here
a
little
while
ago,
it's
about
40
percent
of
your
homes
are
already
sprinklered.
N
Your
biggest
risk
is
probably
your
commercial
buildings
right
now.
The
guys
and
gals
on
the
truck
are
bringing
we're,
bringing
almost
a
thousand
gallons
700
to
a
thousand
gallons
on
an
engine
and
we're
going
to
be
bringing
the
tankers
and
tenders
which,
again,
if
you
look
at
the
contract,
we
have
a
Daisy
Mountain
down
the
road
Town's
going
to
end
up
buying
a
tanker
just
because
of
that
about
2500,
gallon
or
so
tanker.
F
And
graphically
what
does
that?
Look?
What
graphically?
What
does
that
look
like
for
the
town
this?
This
is
a
model
which
shows
how
much
fire
flow
we
could
get
to
the
individual
fire
hydrants.
All
these
data
points
are
actually
the
existing
fire
hydrants
on
the
system.
You
can
see
you
know,
zone
seven
and
zone.
Four
are
our
main
systems,
they
run
through
the
town
core
run
down
south
and
it
feeds
into
Zone
one.
We
have
good
fire
protection
down
there.
F
It's
on
the
peripheral,
Zone
10,
7
10
is
actually
Gallery
Ridge
down
in
that
area
and
zone
eight
and
Zone
nine
we're
actually
looking
and
I've
been
tasking
and
bugging
Brandy
about.
Can
we
link
zone
eight
and
Zone
10
together,
because
then
we
could
actually
Loop
the
system
and
then
that
we'd
have
two
booster
stations
that
could
actually
help
feed
that
area.
F
We
have
to
see
if
it
can
physically
work,
but
it's
more
on
the
peripheral
we
have
that
we
have
a
small
Zone
called
Schoolhouse
booster
station
on
the
south
side
of
the
schoolhouse,
and
then
we
have
another
one
called
Cahaba,
which
currently
are
no
Carriage
two,
which
currently
only
feeds
three
two
homes
and
then
38th
Street,
and
we
have
some
low
pressures
up
there.
So,
overall,
it's
not
going
to
be
a
huge
impact.
F
But
again
if
we
go
back
to
the
news,
the
old
criteria
and
that's
why
we're
doing
a
master
plan?
You
want
to
set
those
criteria
because
then
you
can
evaluate
the
system
and
then
you
can
drive
in
to
the
improvements.
We
thought
it
was
prudent
to
look
at
that
and
come
up
with
this
lower
standard
which
better
fits
the
Topography
of
town,
the
town
of
Cave
Creek
in
our
the
town's
distribution
system.
N
And
if
I,
if
I
might
yeah,
if
this
standard
that
we
have
put
in
place
in
1985
had
not
worked,
it
would
have
been
changed
by
now.
It's
not
changed
it.
You
do
the
codes,
the
barcodes
and
the
building
codes
about
every
three
years
you
come
up
and
this
is
in
the
appendix
we
actually
move
this
into
the
Scottsdale
revised
standards
for
the
requirement
for
Sprinklers
and
the
requirements
for
the
fireflows
and
that's
again,
I
talked
to
Chief
Tobin
about
this
and
go
he
goes
well.
We
always
want
more
water.
N
N
If
you
go
to
a
master
stream,
which
is
a
thousand
gallons
a
minute
and
you
you've
lost
the
structure
or
anything
if
the
ladder
goes
up,
the
building's
coming
down
pretty
much
but
the
hand
lines,
you
can
pump
two
hand
lines
consistently
out
of
500
gallons
a
minute,
and
that's
that's
what
you're?
Looking
for
for
your
residential
areas,
again,
it's
a
little
bit
different
in
the
commercial
Zone,
but
if
these
numbers
had
not
worked
and
if
our
neighbors
to
the
east
had
would
had
problems,
this
would
have
been
changed.
N
F
And
we
do
have
some
options
and
some
recommendations
that
we
put
in
the
master
plan
to
try
and
improve
fire
flow.
Where
we
can,
we
can
do
things
like
do
connections
at
booster
pump
station,
so
we
could
bring
in
a
diesel
pump
and
some
of
our
booster
pump
stations.
We
actually
only
have
single
phase
power
that
actually
limits
the
amount
of
boosting
capacity
capacity
that
we
can
install.
F
So
we
may
have
to
look
at
that
either
have
connections
or
bring
in
have
a
diesel
power
pump
at
that
site
to
increase
the
boosting
capability.
We've
talked
about
some
stuff
about
hardening
of
the
system
in
select
locations
where
we've
actually
talked
with
Jim,
because
they're
doing
the
helicopter
pad
at
Spur
Cross
Ranch
the
parking
lot
area
our
12-inch
pipeline
currently
ends
about
I.
F
So
we
can
keep
water
filled,
that's
one
location,
but
we'll
work
with
Jim
and
Daisy
Mountain
to
look
at
other
locations
that
where
we
could
Harden
the
system
effectively
make
sure
that
we
have
the
capability
providing
water
to
those
areas.
We
like
to
look
at
increasing
hydrants.
The
town
doesn't
have
a
hydrant
infill
program
right
now.
F
That's
something
that
we'd
recommend
that
we
do
look
at
and
really
focus
on
the
town,
commercial
areas
where
we'd
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
proper
spacing
or
standard
spacing
right
now
the
system
has
been
designed
and
it's
been
more
so
the
individual
homeowners,
if
per
the
adopted
building
code,
if
the
fire
hydrants.
If
there's
a
on
Town
connections
to
water
system
and
there's
a
fire
hydrant
more
than
600
feet
from
the
property
line,
they
have
to
install
a
new
hydrant
with
new
development.
So
that's
been
organically.
F
How
we've
been
doing
an
infill
program?
I
think
we
need
to
move
forward
with
our
own
infill
program
and
focus
specifically
on
the
commercial
areas.
First,
and
then
we
can
start
moving
that
out
into
the
rest
of
the
distribution
system.
As
Jim
indicated
looping
of
lines.
It
helps
both
water
quality
and
allows
us
to
move
more
water.
Dual
fed
six
inch
line
will
move
a
thousand
gallons
a
minute
all
day
long.
F
F
And
then
there
are
indication
of
hydrogens
at
lower
capacity.
You
can
actually
paint
the
Bonnet
in
a
different
color.
It's
actually
in
the
fire
code.
White
black
I.
Forget
the
other
color
schemes
to
indicate
to
the
fire
departments
as
they
come
up,
whether
it's
a
thousand
gallon
a
minute
or
500
gallon
a
minute
pump.
F
So
as
they
come
up
and
approach
that
in
our
focus
in
the
last
couple
of
years,
has
just
been
getting
all
the
hydrants
up
and
operational
and
you
know
painting
them
all
orange,
so
I'd
hate
to
paint
them
different
colors.
But
this
is
just
the
bond
at
the
top
color
of
it.
So
as
a
fire
department
pulls
up,
they
would
know
you
know
hey.
This
is
an
area
where
we
might
not
have
a
thousand
gallons
a
minute.
F
We
have
something
less,
but
again
our
Focus
to
date
has
been
more
make
sure
all
hydrants
are
functionally
working
and
we're
we're
well
down
that
path.
But
yeah.
We
have
some
things
that
we
can
work
with
and
can
function
with
this
new
standard,
and
we
also
want
to
make
sure
council
is
aware
of
this
and,
and
you
know,
and
concurrence
with
it
before
we
move
forward
with
it,
because
it
is
a
change.
It
was
a
change
from
the
2013
master
plan.
F
A
F
N
A
Yeah
I
mean
I,
mean
councilmember,
Smith
and
I
were
on
the
committee
that
had
that
43
million
dollar
and
it
was
it,
was
a
joke.
I
mean
the
town,
doesn't
have
enough
money
to
do
that
and
still
probably,
but
what
I
think
is
missing
here
is
well
land
fire,
I,
I
I,
don't
see
that
that
there
is
I,
don't
see,
maybe
you've
done
it.
A
I
don't
see
it,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
we've
had
what
those
three
big
fires,
two
that
were
in
town,
another
fire,
the
King
Creek
complex,
fired
the
threatened
town,
all
the
last
22
years,
yeah
yeah,
and
that
has
the
potential
for
massive
property
and
loss
of
life.
So
what
every
six
or
seven
years,
that's
a
pretty
often
if.
N
A
We
had
and
all
that,
but
the
point
is
we're
not
going
to
put
it
in
overnight.
No
I
know
it
seems
to
me
that
the
town
ought
to
have
a
policy,
a
a
Wildland
Fire,
to
build
that
portion
out.
First,
if
we're
going
to
start
putting
in
hydrants
and
booster
pumps
and
electrical
and
tanks.
How
are
you
going
to
deal
with
tthm
and
have
enough
water
to
feed
these
if
we
are
limited
by
tthm
test.
N
You
know
that
these
would
be
temporary
tanks,
I'm
thinking
we
haven't
done
anything
yet
there's
no
contracts
or
any
of
that
stuff,
but
these
would
be
temporary
tanks
that
we
would
set
up
during
the
Fire
season.
If
you
want
to
see
a
similar
situation,
it's
at
the
the
top
of
the
the
rim
as
you're
going
up
to
Prescott.
They
have
the
state
land
department
and
state
forestry,
have
a
temporary
tank
that
they
put
up
there
for
those
Wildland
Fires
at
the
top
of
the
rim.
N
Every
year
that
the
helicopters
can
just
come
in
and
fill
up,
you
can
fill
it
up
either
with
tankers
or
if
we
have
a
hydrants,
that's
close
like
Sean
was
talking
about.
We
can
fill
them
up
with
with
hydrant
water,
but
those
tanks
are
just
temporary
and
the
the
helicopters
in,
in
essence,
are
your
best
use
of
small
amounts
of
water
they're
about
a
thousand
gallons
a
drop
as
those
are.
N
So
if
we
put
in
a
two
or
three
thousand
gallon
tank,
the
helicopters
can
make
a
couple
drops
while
we
run
tankers
water,
fire,
water
tankers
to
it.
The
second
thing
is
on
on
brush
fires
and
Wildland
fires.
They're
fought
different
than
structural
fires,
completely
different
than
structural
fires.
The
goal
is
in
Maryland,
families
accounts
if
you'd
like
we
can
go
out
and
take
a
look
at
the
most
recent
Diamond
fire,
which
is
more
similar
to
what
happens
here.
N
You
can't
surround
and
draw
into
a
Wildland
fire.
So
a
like
our
brush
truck
that
we
have
with
350
gallons
of
water
is
a
huge
asset.
A
lot
of
brush
trucks
only
have
100
gallons
of
water.
Ours
is
two
or
three
times
as
much.
You
can
do
an
awful
lot
of
fire
with
those
types
of
trucks
and
that's
another
reason
why
our
engine
is
going
to
have
a
gallons
of
water.
Just
because
we
can,
we
can
protect
a
house
with
a
thousand
gallons
of
water
you're
not
going
to
be
putting
out
like
a
structural
fire.
N
Structural
fire
requires
a
lot
more
consistent
and
flows
on
it.
So
what
we
would
do
you?
Don't
you
don't
set
a
fire
engine
on
a
hydrant
in
a
Wildland
fire?
You
maybe
put
a
tanker
there
to
pump
it,
but
they
come
and
they
fill
and
they
leave
it.
You
don't
put
assignments
on
the
hydrants,
and
so
wherever
you
can
have
the
hydrants
or
wherever
the
closest
hydrant
are,
is
what
you
would
end
up
using
on
a
Wildland
fire,
as
opposed
to
laying
from
that
to
the
the
area
that
you're
fighting.
A
I
almost
sold
the
meeting
down,
but
we
only
had
one
hydrant
at
Spur
across
and
I.
Don't
think
that
worked
during
the
ocotilla
fire,
that's
right!
Yeah
the
fire
comes
out
of
onto
national
forest
or
if
it
comes
from
the
the
west
and
the
state
lands
all
that
stuff
over
there.
If
it
comes
from
the
from
the
east,
from
Desert
Mountain
and
from
Carefree,
wouldn't
it
be
nice
to
have
some
hydrants
out
there
that
we
could
use
absolutely.
F
It's
the
second
Point
hardening
the
system
in
select
locations.
So
that's
why
right
then,
now
at
the
top
end
of
the
the
12
inch
line,
which
is
again
about
half
a
mile
south,
that's
where
across
Ranch
parking
lot
we're
putting
in
a
new
fire
hydrant
that
currently
doesn't
exist.
One
yeah
yeah
we're
gonna
work
with
Jim.
N
F
With
that,
thank
you
so
again
we
just
want
to
bring
that
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we
thought
was
significant
enough.
We
wanted
to
bring
it
to
council
before
we
wrapped
up
the
master
planks.
It
does
have
implications
as
far
as
what
improvements
are
going
to
be
needed
as
far
as
the
master
plan,
what
recommendations
so
with
that
we
can
move
on.
Thank
you
Jim
for
helping
keep
that
discussion.
F
F
So
we
just
wanted
to
highlight
the
fact
that
we're
we
don't
have
a
solution
right
now
and
we're
starting
the
discussion
with
the
county
about
a
year
and
Advance
just
to
know
whether
they
they'll
ask
us
to
convert
to
this
to
Paul
only
plant
and
the
implications
of
that
is
instead
of
having
a
three
million
gallon
day
treatment
plant.
The
town
will
only
have
a
two
million
gallon
a
day
treatment
plant.
F
If
we
can't
run
at
the
Hybrid
plant
with
the
West
Tech
filters,
the
West
techs
do
have
some
negative
factors
in
the
fact
they
don't
treat
water
as
well,
and
they
produce
more
backwash
water
and
every
gallon
that
you
treat
the
West
techs
require
more
back
flushing
and
all
that.
So
it
factors
into
all
of
our
capacities
but
having
the
ability
to
run
both
gives
us
some
for
more
flexibility.
F
We
are
still
working
ahead
with
the
connection
to
the
City
of
Phoenix
and
the
interconnect
where
they
will
treat
and
deliver
to
us
some
of
our
Town's
water
resources,
which
reduces
our
our
need
for
the
treatment
plant
capacity
right
away.
But
we
also
want
to
do
that
for
redundancy
and
reliability,
but
yeah.
So
as
the
Phoenix
interconnect
comes
online,
we'll
be
coming
back
to
council,
we've
awarded
the
contract
to
mgc
for
pre-construction
services,
we're
starting
to
get
the
final
design
number
or
final
construction
numbers
will
be
coming
back
to
council
with
that
shortly.
F
But
we
wanted
to
make
sure
the
one
of
the
council
is
aware.
One
of
the
session
points
with
master
plan
is
to
try
and
figure
out
what
size
of
the
plant
do.
We
need
and
then
to
meet
our
future
growth,
because,
with
the
connection
of
Phoenix,
we
are
limited
to
a
thousand
gallons
a
minute
right
now,
which
is
1.4
million
gallons
a
day
to
get
a
second
connection
to
Phoenix,
which
is
allowed
for
with
the
intergovernmental
agreement
that
we
have
with
Phoenix.
F
We
have
to
look
at
other
infrastructure
improvements,
redoing
the
cap
pipeline
to
convert
that
into
a
potable
water
lines.
An
idea
has
been
thrown
around,
but
that's
going
to
require
rebuilding
all
the
booster
pump
stations.
You
know
a
few
years
ago
that
was
a
five
million
dollar
project.
I
I
would
suspect
to
be
much
more
expensive
right
now,
but
that's
the
type
of
things
we
have
to
factor
in
I.
F
F
And
then
the
next
Improvement
that
this
actually
came
out
of
the
last
master
plan
and
we've
got
some
more
information.
So
we
talked
about
the
Cloud
Road
water
line.
What
is
that?
That's
the
water
line
that
extends
out
of
our
pressure
Zone,
one
and
explain-
extends
to
the
western
side
of
the
town's
boundary,
and
it
also
provides
the
connection
to
Desert
Hills
this.
We
have
a
section
of
single
eight
inch
water
line.
We
have
two
unshaded
two
two
eight
inch
lines
across
Cape
Creek
wash
and
they
combine
together.
F
So
the
highlighted
section
you're,
seeing
on
the
right
side
of
the
screen,
shows
where
it's
just
a
single
eight
inch
line
this
past
year,
we've
installed.
What
is
the
mission
scada
systems?
We've
installed
it
both
at
our
38th
Street
booster
station,
which
which
then
boosts
up
38th
Street,
and
we
couldn't
understand.
The
pressure
swings
we're
seeing
on
incoming
flow,
and
we
said
no
us
can't
be
true,
and
then
we
started
doing
some
more
pressure.
F
Logger-
and
we
said-
oh
yes,
it
actually
is,
and
then
recently
we
completed
a
new
mission,
scada
system
at
the
interconnect
site
at
24th,
Street
and
Cloud
Road,
where
we
connect
to
the
Desert
Hills
Water
System
and
the
graph
you're.
Seeing
on
the
the
left
hand,
side
is
actually
what
we
see
in
a
daily
basis.
F
Well,
they
said
well,
we'll
blend
water,
so
we'll
move
cap
water
into
the
system
and
blend
it
up
to
it.
So
when
we
run
that
well
for
every
200
gallons,
a
minute
I
get
on
that
well,
I'll
have
to
put
200
gallons
a
minute
of
cap
water
into
the
same
point
and
that's
our
blending
our
snake
blending
program.
The
impact
on
that
is
that
means
I
have
to
get
that
water
into
the
system,
so
you
can
sort
of
see
and
it's
actually
coming
out
of
the
14th
Street
Reservoir.
F
So
you
can
see,
as
the
pressure
swings,
we
go
from
200
gallons,
a
minute
to
600
gallons,
a
minute
of
flow
into
Desert,
Hills,
600
gallons.
A
minute
is
a
two
and
a
half
inch
fire
line
just
flowing
into
that
that
system,
and
it
has
the
impact
of
dropping
the
pressure
on
the
cloud
road,
because
this
line
is
so
long,
a
single
point.
Failure
what
it
is
is
the
friction
losses
we're
pushing
so
much
water.
The
impacts
is
if
we
have
a
break
on
Cloud
Road.
We
have
to
isolate
an
area,
we
close
the
lines.
F
All
of
a
sudden,
our
pressures
go
up,
50
plus
pounds
in
the
line,
so
we're
actually
putting
a
lot
of
stress
on
this
line.
It's
a
single
point
of
failure
for
our
clock
for
our
distribution
system,
so
the
last
master
plan
I
talked
about
actually
doing
this
and
replacing
this
as
a
12
inch
line.
We
actually
come
up
with
some
other
scenarios
that
we
think
may
work
help
do
some
improvement
so
option.
Two
in
effect
is
what
came
out
of
the
old
master
plan,
which
is
replacing
the
pipeline
with
a
12
inch
line
option.
F
F
That
would
be
in
the
area
that's
referred
to
as
the
future
core
area
for
state
land,
but
we
could
have
the
line
out
there.
We
just
don't
have
to
have
connections
on
it
right
now,
but
we,
you
know
instead
of
replacing
the
existing
line.
We'd
be
paralleling
it
with
a
different
alignment.
The
other
option
that's
come
up
is
option.
Three
and
I
know
this
actually
goes
back
in
the
2013
master
plan.
F
F
So
as
that
project
comes
back
to
fruition,
we're
going
to
have
to
have
that
conversation
saying
that
what
was
was
master
planned
for
Cahaba
Springs.
We
know
with
the
information
we
have
now
on.
The
system
will
not
work,
so
it
needs
to
be
redone
looping
the
system.
It
would
be
beneficial,
multiple
things
because
then
we're
in
pressure.
Zone
Seven
being
able
to
Loop
water
down,
it
could
help
water
age
issues
and
everything
we'd
have
to
push
the
water
up
the
hill
and
then
come
back
down.
F
We
currently
have
a
mile
and
a
half,
almost
two
miles
of
a
12
inch
pipeline
over
two
miles
of
12
inch
pipeline
in
24
26,
Avenue
alignment
that
goes
up
the
top
of
the
hill.
This
just
it's
not
even
tied
to
the
system
right
now
and
in
fact,
we're
leasing
it
from
the
Cava
Springs
Redevelopment
District.
But
you
know
maybe
long
term.
The
town
takes
the
initiative
and
does
this
Loop
because
it
could
benefit
us
long
term,
so
I'm
not
sure
Brandy.
G
Yeah
I
mean
it
has
the
potential
to
pull
a
little
bit
more
water
out
of
Rockaway
as
well.
So
you
know
you
have
all
that
storage
up
there.
It
becomes
sometimes
problematic
with
thms.
You
know
this
station.
There
would
enable
us
to
to
pull
some
water
off
of
the
top
end
of
the
system
and
when
we
look
at
the
elevation
gain,
that's
going
to
be
required
in
that
long
pipeline
to
get
to
the
top
of
Cahaba
Springs.
G
The
likelihood
is
is
that
we're
going
to
need
two
in-line
booster
stations,
because
we
can't
just
stick
one
in
because
the
pressure
differential
is
too
high,
so
we'd
have
two
inline
booster
stations
operating
in
series
and
that
can
become
problematic,
especially
if
one
Trip's
off
and
the
other
one
starts
running.
So
if
we
were
able
to
put
in
the
single
booster
station
pump
it
over
to
the
top
of
Cahaba,
then
we
could
just
prv
it
down.
So
the
operating
prvs
is
a
is
a
lot
less
problematic
than
than
series.
How.
G
Haven't
put
this
in,
you
know
that
we
were
just
looking
at
these
options,
so
that'll
be
it'll.
Be
hard
of
these
options
would
be
the
pros
and
cons
and
obviously,
and
we'll
do
a
decision
Matrix
on
any
of
the
items
that
are
going
to
go
into
the
CIP
and
obviously
cost
is
going
to
be
one
of
those
items.
K
Yeah
I
just
think
people
need
to
understand
we're
making
a
significant
investment
that
investment's,
not
the
the
more
stuff
we
put
in
the
more
we're
gonna
have
to
maintain
and
everything
else.
So
this
is
kind
of
the
never-ending
story,
so
we
need
to
kind
of
figure
it
out
what
we're
going
to
do,
and
it's
also
tied
with
planning
and
zoning
and
we're
going
to
have
to
figure
out
how
much
growth
we
really
do
want.
A
A
Looked
at
it
early
in
the
year
during
the
budget
process,
but
I
to
me,
this
makes
no
sense.
Absolutely
none
you're
going
to
use
horsepower
you're
going
to
use
a
lot
of
horsepower
in
a
line
that
takes
two
weeks
for
a
molecule
of
water
at
130
GPM
to
go
up
the
hill
up,
26th
Street
into
Copper
Springs
to
a
deserted
area
across
the
desert.
A
F
But
I
know
there's
been
discussions
about
the
the
West
sidewib
area,
which
is
with
the
12-inch
line
currently
by
sax,
so
that
would
allow
it
to
bring
online.
This
might
have
to
this
might
come
to
fruition
Morrow
if
kava
Springs
were
to
come
back
and
redevelop
that
we
work
with
them
to
say
this
is
a
better
solution
for
your
water
system,
because
right
now,
they're
trying
to
add
to
the
load
on
the
12
on
the
Cloud
Road
water
line,
just
won't
work.
F
F
That's
doing
is
something
that
we
have
identified
in
the
master
plan.
If
they
come
back,
we'd
say:
we've
done
the
modeling.
We
have
the
model
which
shows
that
that
works,
I
think
option
one
or
two
or
something
that
we'd
probably
put
into
the
capital
program
and
look
at
funding
in
the
next
few
years,
because
this
water
line,
the
12
inch
water
line
on
Cloud
Road,
is,
is
operating
above
its
capacity,
we're
having
issues
with
it
and
it's
putting
a
strain
on
the
system
itself.
F
A
The
second
thing,
on
every
time
you
put
in
a
unit
of
volume,
whether
it's
pipe
or
tanks
or
anything
else,
your
THM
problems
go
up,
that's
more
resonance
time,
that's
more
problems
with
THM
and
that
that's
one
of
the
areas
that
I
would
once
was
going
to
question
tonight
is
the
THM
issue,
but
just
looping
lines.
Looping
lines
puts
more
residence
time
in
there
for
the
chlorine
to
react
and
create
thms,
so
I
hope
that
is
part
of
this
equation
too.
Before
we
do
these
things.
F
To
present
this
as
an
option
that
hasn't
been
presented
since
2006
this
option,
three
again,
I,
don't
see
it
being
something
to
move
forward
with
until
Cahaba,
where
develop.
It
makes
better
sense
with
what
they're
doing
we
have
to
do
option
one
or
two
in
the
near
term,
just
to
make
sure
that
that
water
line
doesn't
get
stressed
it's
above
capacity
right
now,
it's
working
above
what
it's
designed
for.
K
M
M
D
K
A
Yeah
yeah
the
the
THM
has
got
to
be
in
everything
we
do
I
mean
we
are
wasting
so
much
money
with
we're,
not
kicking
our
tanks.
We
could
raise
the
tank
levels
up
and
have
firefighting
water
or
water.
In
case
we
have
a
problem
with
the
cap
line.
Like
happened
a
few
weeks
ago,
when
we
added
every
time
we
had
pipe
in
that's
more
THM
residence
time,
I
I
think
Mike
myself.
We
got
to
be
looking
at
getting
off
of
chlorine
and
trying
and
going
to
something
else.
A
B
A
A
Forgotten
it
too
well
so,
I
just
think
we
need
to
think
big
on
the
sanitation
on
the
sanitizing,
the
water,
so
that
we
minimize
the
THM
problems.
Eight
inch
lines
make
a
lot
more
THM
than
six
inch
lines.
Loops
make
have
more
resonance
time
so
that
we
need
we
need
that
needs
to
be
in.
Every
thing
we
calculate
is
what
the
effect
is
in
the
water
quality.
We
have
a
small
dead,
end
hilly
and
we're
always
going
to
have
that.
So
we
need
to
start
designing
for
that
circumstance.
Yeah.
F
Part
of
this
came
out
Ameris
discussion
that
we
already
have
a
12
inch
water
line
going
from
Joy
Ranch
north
to
two
miles
up
to
the
top
of
the
hill.
That's
that's!
You
know
it
needs
to
get
flushed
out
again
at
some
point
and
then
that
was
put
in
to
try
and
get
water
up
the
hill.
But
in
fact
the
eight
inch
line
that
that
12
inch
connects
onto
is
the
problem
in
the
system
right
now
in
the
distribution
system.
Well,.
A
G
And
again
it
was.
We
were
just
throwing
options
out
there
to
look
at
what
goes
on
at
Rockaway,
because
honestly
Rockaway
as
a
the
location
of
it,
makes
it
problematic,
because
it's
at
the
very
top
end
of
your
system.
So
we
were
thinking
that
if
you
wanted
to
keep
more
water
in
storage,
this
could
eventually
help
that
tank
turn
over
more
more
effectively
but
yeah.
We
we
understand
that.
F
We'll
make
sure
we
factor
that
as
we
move
forward,
we
just
want
again.
This
is
a
the
Cloud
Road
issue
is
becoming
very
apparent
just
because
of
the
the
scada
Telemetry
that
we
have
currently
on
the
pipeline
and
what
we're
seeing
between
the
connection
with
Desert
Hills
and
just
the
customer
demand
out
there,
let
alone
if
we
do
try
to
expand
the
system
to
provide
water
service
for
the
west
side,
with
customers
and
eventually,
if
Co-op
Springs
us
developments,
it's
going
to
exacerbate
the
problem,
we're
seeing
on
that
pipeline
right
now.
F
F
Well,
that
that
set
ends
the
physical
infrastructure
for
the
the
distribution
system,
the
questions
and
issues
we
wanted
to
bring
forward.
So
now
we
just
want
to
move
forward
to
the
Wastewater
collection
and
treatment
side
of
the
of
the
master
plan.
With
that
we'll
have
Seth
come
join
me
at
the
table.
F
And
with
this
I
can
let
Chef
go
on,
but
this
is
just
a
map
of
the
existing
collection
system
in
the
town
showing
the
the
greens
or
the
manholes
and
the
interconnected
lines.
So
we're
trying
to
show
here
is
the
the
core
site,
which
is
on
the
west
side.
There
is
actually
the
state
land
core
area
that
potentially
could
be
brought
into
the
treatment
plant,
and
then
we
already
have
we're
also
highlighting
the
areas
on
here,
two
which
are
drop.
F
What
we
refer
to
as
dry
sewer
areas,
the
state
of
Detroit
one
and
two
and
Canyon
Ridge
Estates-
were
constructed
with
sewer
lines.
They
were
being
constructed
about
the
same
time
and
going
through
the
development
process
that
the
town
was
relocating
the
treatment
plant
down
the
Carefree
Highway,
so
by
dry
sewers.
It
means
that
they've
got
sewer
lines
and
manholes
infrastructure
in
their
in
their
their
area
in
front
of
the
properties.
But
none
of
the
houses
are
connected.
F
F
Foreign,
the
subdivisions
that
currently
have
dry
sewers
in
the
system,
a
state
of
Troy
one
and
two
65
residential
homes
in
Canyon,
Ridge
Estates.
It's
got
108
single
family
dwelling
units
set
up
for
them.
We
looked
at
the
water
demand
and
one
thing
that
we
did
is
you
know:
they've
got
meter
Connections
in
those
areas
and
we,
through
the
master
plan
process,
we'd,
actually
come
up
with
factors.
F
What
we
would
call
return
Factor
you
give
a
gallon
of
water
to
a
customer
if
they're
connected
to
the
Wastewater
system-
and
you
expect
a
certain
amount
of
that
percentage-
that
water
to
come
back
to
you
and
reclaim
the
water.
So
using
those
factors
we
could
anticipate.
If
we
were
to
connect
these
two
subdivisions
in
total,
we
could
generate
about
a
53
acre
feet
of
new
water
resources
for
the
town
between
the
two
of
them.
F
So
obviously
you
have
the
capital
cost
of
bringing
them
in,
but
I
think
the
takeaway
here
is
that
it's
a
water
resources.
You
know
we
talked
before
at
the
beginning
of
the
program
that
we
are
short
in
water.
This
is
an
opportunity
that
the
town
could
look
at
if
getting
about
53
acre
feet
of
new
Water
Resources
back
against
the
town.
F
So
the
other
large
area
is
the
Black
Mountain
area.
So
this
is
the
area
of
east
of
Cave
Creek
Road,
going
up
the
side
of
the
mountain
most
of
these
homes
are,
almost
all
of
them
are
on
septic.
We
counted
268
residential
lots
so
about
100,
000
gallons
of
waters.
The
demand
in
that
area.
So
we
were
able
to
convert
this
area
back
over
into
our
convert
it
to
the
town's
collection
system.
We
anticipate
we
could
get
up
to
85
acre
feet
of
water
resources.
F
This
is
new
flow
that
would
be
going
down
to
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
to
make
that
run
more
efficiently,
but
then
we
actually
get
some
new
water
resources
for
the
for
the
town.
Black
Mountain
is
challenging
because,
like
the
other
two
neighborhoods,
where
the
developer
actually
put
in
the
sewer
system,
but
we
just
have
to
figure
out
how
to
get
that
and
connect
it
into
the
the
rest
of
the
collection
system.
Black
Mountain
we'd
have
to
figure
out
how
to
sewer
it.
A
typical
gravity
sewer
system
may
be
challenging.
F
As
you
go
up
the
hill,
you
can
have
a
number
of
manholes
adjust
the
disruption
to
the
existing
customers,
so
it
might
be
a
combination
system
that
actually
has
private
list
stations
with
some
Force
Mains
bring
it
back
in,
but
one
of
the
things
that
we've
heard
is
to
try
and
get
more
connections
into
the
system.
The
collection
system
trying
to
extend
this
systems
to
the
north
is
difficult.
You
run
into
the
washes.
F
The
town
core
itself
is
largely
on
the
septic
system,
except
for
some
peripheral
around
it,
but
between
the
two
dry
sewer
areas
in
Black,
Mountain
I
think
that's
the
town's
best
opportunity
to
bring
new
Wastewater
customers
to
both
help
the
treatment
plant
run
more
efficiently
and
actually
also
provide
new
water
resources
for
the
town.
So
once
we
figure
out
what
we're
going
to
do
with
that
effluent,
there'll
be
a
benefit
to
the
town.
F
This
is
an
opportunity
for
us
to
bring
water
resources
to
help
start
closing
that
Gap
that
we're
seeing
on
the
water
side
between
our
commitments
and
our
demands
and
the
waste
in
the
water
system
and
with
this
I'll.
Let
maybe
Seth
talk
about
this
slide,
but
we're
trying
to
show
what
the
the
the
growth
Trends
are
on
here
and,
unlike
the
other
graphs,
we're
showing
three
lines
on
here.
When
we
talk
about
waste
water,
it's
actually
there's
a
capacity
of
the
plant
itself
and
but
there's
two
trigger
points
in
Maricopa.
F
County
actually
requires
you
to
do.
Unlike
the
water
system,
you
can
run
more
towards
the
ultimate
capacity
of
the
plant
and
the
Wastewater
you
at
80
of
your
design
capacity.
You
have
to
start
your
design
at
90.
You
have
to
be
under
construction,
so
you're,
seeing
those
three
lines
are
showing
the
the
three
start
points
when
we'd
have
to
start
the
design
for
the
next
Plant
and
when
we'd
actually
have
to
have
that
completed.
F
But
you
can
see
the
orange
line
at
the
bottom
is
here
we
unless
we
get
new
connections
on
the
on
the
Wastewater
system,
We're
Not
Gonna.
We
don't
see
significant
growth.
We
see
it
pretty
much
stagnant
at
just
under
200,
000
gallons.
Is
the
average
demand
our
daily
demand
in
that
treatment
plant?
So
unless
we
can
add
more
connections
to
the
system,
we
won't
significantly
do
anything
to
it,
but
you
can
see
even
if
we
add
a
lot
of-
and
we
spend
a
lot
of
money
real
quickly.
F
H
H
But
one
thing
to
note,
which
you
could
see
just
from
the
earlier
slide
of
the
existing
system.
Existing
Wastewater
system
is
that
the
balance
Wastewater
system
doesn't
necessarily
cover.
It
doesn't
serve
all
the
same
customers
as
the
potable
water
system,
so
it's
a
smaller
portion.
So
when
you
look
at
these
numbers,
although
they're
the
same
growth
scenarios
you're
not
able
to
capture
all
that
water
that
we
talked
about,
so
it's
it's
more
fine-tuned
to
what
you
can
physically
actually
connect
to
the
Wastewater
system.
F
And
some
of
the
decision
points
are,
you
know,
obviously
trying
to
put
new
sewers
lines
onto
Black
Mountain
would
be
very
expensive
even
trying
to
do
the
conversions
of
a
state,
a
state
of
say,
a
one
and
two
and
then
Canyon
Ridge
Estates.
Those
customers
are
currently
have
septic
system
working
subjecting
systems,
so
we'd
have
to
go
through
the
policy
changes.
F
F
We'd
have
to
say
no
we'd
want
them
to
make
a
connection
and
make
it
more
defined.
The
code
says
if
it's
a
commercial
development
or
multi-family
within
one
year
of
notice
that
there's
an
available,
sewer
and
available
sure
is
within
300
feet
of
any
property
line.
They
have
to
make
a
connection,
but
for
residential
demand,
our
residential
customers.
F
The
code
currently
says
that,
as
long
as
the
septic
system
is
functionally
working,
they
do
not
need
to
connect,
so
it'll
be
something
we
have
to
consider,
but
it
does
go
back
to
a
in
my
mind
or
Water
Resource
question
and
then
just
making
sure
that
the
plant
can
run
efficiently.
So
it's
just
a
discussion
point
we'll
bring
it
forward
with
the
master
plan.
I,
don't
know
if
we
will
bring
forward
a
suggestion,
except
that
these
are
the
options,
and
this
is
what
it
would
look
like.
So.
A
Question
on
I:
this
is
my
second
master
plan
and
we
still
probably
have
about
2.1
people
and
I
know
so
we're
getting
a
71
recovery.
Acclaimed
71
recovery
for
sewer
well,
I
have
meters
on
my
pool
and
my
Landscaping
I
get
about
3,
000
gallons
a
month
that
use
in
the
house
that's
recoverable.
In
a
ten
thousand,
my
recovery
ability,
if
it
put
a
sewer
in
my
house,
you'd,
get
about
a
30
percent
recovery,
so
I'm
I'm.
Where
does
is
that
71
number?
What
is
it
based
on?
Because
we
have?
A
H
H
In
addition,
as
part
of
the
study,
we
did
see
some
flow
metering
where
essentially,
we
placed
flow
meters
within
specific
areas
of
the
Wastewater
system
that
identify
kind
of
where
the
major
flows
are
coming
from,
and
that
also
allowed
us
to
kind
of
compare
the
water
usage
versus
the
Wastewater
flows.
Looking
at
an
average,
we
we
felt
that
that
71
percent
reflected
what
the
system
is
returning
in
regards
to
water
to
Wastewater
is.
F
Ours,
so
we
actually
did
our
own
flow
monitoring
and
we
actually
monitored
the
the
water
consumption
within
the
area.
That
was
the
Wastewater
service
area.
We,
these
were
the
numbers
that
came
up
so
moving
forward.
It
might
be
a
little
less,
but
then
we're
also
talking
average
day
demands
for
the
year.
So
it's
not
the
totals.
We
converted
this
into
an
average
daily
demand,
but
these
were
the
return
ratios
that
we
were
seeing
to
the
existing
customers
tied
to
the
collection
system.
A
F
There's
inefficiencies
in
that
that
system,
so
part
of
the
things
that
we've
been
dealing
with
and
looking
at
with
this
master
plan,
is
what
are
our
options
to
make
sure
that
we
can
get
a
benefit
from
this.
The
existing
Wastewater
that's
being
generated,
let
alone,
if
we're
going
to
add
to
it,
which
I
think
could
help
the
towns
close.
Some
of
the
gaps
of
the
water
resources
available
that
we're
trying
to
that.
F
We
brought
up
earlier
in
the
presentation
so
and
that
part
of
that
goes
back
to
the
inefficiencies
in
our
delivery
to
the
ranch,
Union,
Golf
Course.
So
I'll
talk
with
that
real
quick
and
I
mentioned
I.
Just
had
the
quarterly
Report
with
you,
so
you've
you'll
see
these
numbers
again.
We'd
have
on
the
bottom
of
the
stack
graph.
Is
the
the
deliveries
and
that's
the
effluent
that
we
produce
so
2020
was
210
acre
feet?
2022
is
201
acre
feet,
and
then
we
have
the
back
wash
water.
F
The
next
stack
the
darker
blue,
which
is
the
back
wash
water
from
our
treatment
plant,
and
this
is
these
are
annualized
calendar
year
numbers
and
then
we
have
the
excess
cap
water
that
we
delivered
to
help
make
up
for
their
their
when
they
were
looking
in,
their
Lake
system
was
actually
dropping
lower
than
we
could
deliver
water
to
them.
We
give
them
excess
water
and
the
past
the
town
is
actually
used.
F
Groundwater,
for
this
is
that's
actually
another
reason
for
trying
to
look
at
the
groundwater
Wells
to
help
see
if
we
can
make
up
that
excess
water
commands,
but
we
already
know
there's
some
inefficiency
on
the
system,
and
so
how
could
we
best
get
used
to
this?
So
the
team
has
come
up
with
some
alternate
effluent:
disposal
options
so
on
an
annualized
basis.
We
waste
about
100
the
the
our
deliveries
to
the
Ranch
mignana
golf
course
is
about
150
acre
feet
inefficient.
F
So
how
can
we
gain
that
efficiency
back
on
there's
some
things
on
their
side
of
the
table
that
they
can
deal
with,
but
about
half
of
that
inefficiency
is
something
that
I
think
the
town
has
to
take
some
ownership
and
control
over
and
by
doing
that
is
what
is
where
we
send
that
effluent
and
where
can
we
do
it?
Because,
right
now,
the
only
place
that
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
can
send
its
effluent
is
to
the
Rancho
Manana
golf
course.
So
as
part
of
this
study,
we
actually
brought
Clear
Creek
in
to
look
at
it.
F
The
idea
of
you
know
when
the
the
town
has
a
lot
of
land
down
at
the
Water
Ranch.
Can
we
do
recharge
at
the
Water
Ranch?
So
when
it's
not
going
to
of
the
golf
course
and
they
don't
need
the
water,
we
can
recharge
it.
Well,
the
the
results
came
back
and
their
recommendations
are,
you
could
recharge,
but
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
recover,
because
what's
going
to
happen
is
that
groundwater
is
going
to
very
quickly
move
South
the
Carefree
Highway
it's
going
to
be
down
south.
F
So
when
you
start
looking
at
a
recharge
facility,
you
also
want
to
make
sure
that
you
can
look
at
the
recovery.
So
while
we
would
generate
storage
credits
for
that
water
or
recharging,
which
is
still
a
benefit
to
the
town,
physically
I
don't
get
access
to
it.
So
I
can't
put
it
back
into
the
pipes
to
help
or
deliver
to
customers.
F
So
the
recommendation
was
that
we
don't
look
at
trying
to
do
recovery
within
the
area
of
the
Water
Ranch
itself
and,
as
you
go
further
north
it
actually
becomes
restricted
because
not
all
of
Cave
Creek
is
in
the
in
the
the
model
for
adwr.
So
as
you
go,
north
we'd
actually
have
to
extend
the
adwr
model
to
see
if
it's
viable
and
I
know.
As
you
start
going
further
north
around,
like
you're,
even
around
Rancho
Manana,
it's
actually
a
very
shallow
depressed
area.
So
we
don't
have
a
very
thick
area
to
recharge
into.
F
This
actually
goes
back,
there's
been
discussions,
20
20
plus
year
old
discussions
about
asking
about
recharging
up
a
ranch
from
mignon,
and
they
say
you
know
it's
just
not
viable
there's,
just
not
enough
of
the
aquifer
cannot
support
that
that
recharge.
So
if
you,
if
recharge,
is
off
the
table,
it's
not
a
really
viable
option.
Then
we
have
some
other
options
that
we
looked
at.
One
is
just
south
of
the
Town,
just
south
of
the
Water
Ranch
is
actually
the
Dove
Valley
Golf
course.
F
That's,
that's
actually
fed
from
the
city
of
Phoenix
via
reclaimed
water
system
that
they
pump
So.
Currently,
that
system
was
designed
to
actually
take
water
from
what
they
refer
to
as
the
Cave
Creek
Water
wastewater
treatment
plant,
not
ours,
but
their
treatment
plant,
which
is
down
by
Deer
Valley
Road,
which
is
actually
not
been
utilized
for
over
20
years.
It
was
built,
they
turned
it
off.
The
Wastewater
flow
is
getting
sent
down
through
their
sewer
collection
system
at
The,
91st
Avenue
for
treatment.
F
Phoenix
is
starting
to
talk
about
bringing
that
plant
back
online,
but
so
what
they
do
right
now
is
all
their
their
customers
along.
That
pipeline
are
actually
fed
raw
cap
water,
so
well
we're
pumping
raw
cap
water
12
miles
up
to
our
town
core,
to
treat
water
they're
pumping
at
10
miles
north
to
feed.
This
golf
course
seems
like
there's
a
little
Synergy
there.
F
If
we
could
go
across
the
pipeline
and
say
hey
I'll
feed
you
my
xsf1
and
balance
you
out
so
we've
actually
Kerry
and
I
met
with
Phoenix
a
couple
months
ago
and
and
brought
that
subject
forward,
so
there's
some
contractual
obligations
that
they
wanted
to
overcome,
but
they
weren't
adverse
to
that
about
either.
We
tie
into
the
lakes
that
that
currently
feed
that
Golf,
Course
or
redirectly
tie
into
their
reclaimed
pipeline.
So
we
could
supplement
their
system
with
our
excess
water.
F
Another
option
might
be,
and
we've
actually
had
a
conversation
with
City
of
Scottsdale
City
Scottsdale
has
a
golf
course.
The
Terra
Vita
golf
course
we're
sure
in
the
line
along
Carefree
Highway
that
we
might
be
able
to
make
a
connection
to
similar
Arrangement,
where
we
would
send
our
excess
effluent
to
them,
and
then
we
can
get
credit
for
that
F1.
F
It's
probably
less
likely
to
be
a
one-to-one
relationship,
but
if
even
if
we
can
recover
80
or
70
percent
of
that
water,
that's
a
benefit
back
to
the
town,
and
then
we
can
actually
look
at
discussions
like
backwash
water
from
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
or
the
water
treatment
plant.
Currently
we
send
that
backwash
water
up
to
the
golf
course
there's
some
benefits
there,
because
it
doesn't
have
to
get
treated
it
can
get
sent
to
the
golf
course
for
their
use.
F
But
if
we
can
find
a
place
for
the
effluent,
maybe
some
of
that
backwash
water
and
we'll
try
to
make
the
plant
more
efficient,
but
we
can
send
that
down
through
the
sewer
system,
be
treated
and
then
get
transmitted
somewhere
else
and
we're
getting
credit
for
that
water
too.
And
then
you
know
long
term
is
another
option
or
another
option
to
consider
is
direct
potable
reuse
as
sort
of
a
new
technology
being
thrown
around
the
valley
in
the
state.
F
Phoenix
is
starting
to
look
at
that
at
both
their
Deer
Valley
facility,
they're,
starting
the
Cave
Creek
facility
and
at
The
91st
Avenue
wastewater
treatment
plant,
so
they're
trying
to
look
at
that
as
an
option.
Also,
so
that's
that
discussion
is
going
on.
You
know
we
could
do
that
on
a
smaller
scale.
It's
not
it's!
Not
it's
it's
costly,
but
it's
something
we
could
look
into
and
factor
into
it
and
it's
all
looking
at
the
option
opportunity.
Where
can
we?
What
can
we
do
with
the
effluent
that
we
currently
can't?
F
We
can't,
since
we
can't
control
our
deliveries
to
Ranch
Manana
about
half
the
inefficiencies
in
the
system
is
because
we
can't
do
that.
So
if
we
can
get
control
back
over
that
and
continue
to
work
with
Rancho
Manana
to
make
their
system
more
efficient,
that's
evaporation
and
lawyer
losses
and
even
talking
to
them
about
ongoing
of
how
much
water
they
need
for
your
irrigation.
We
can
reduce
that
demand
and
actually
make
this
effluent
actually
a
water
resource
for
the
town
which
currently
we
cannot
use
so
and
yeah
I've
showed
this
on
all
my
quarterly
reports.
F
Again,
we
have
two
pipelines
that
deliver
to
the
East
Lake,
which
is
tobacco,
wash
water,
the
raw
cap,
water
from
the
treatment
plant.
Or
if
we
bring
our
wells
back
online,
we
could
deliver
well
water
and
then
all
the
effluent
goes
into
that,
but
when
they
don't
use
the
water
which
occurs
when
there's
a
monsoon
storm
or
during
the
winter
months,
when
they
don't
use
as
much
irrigation
it
overflows
so
effectively
that
water
is
being
wasted.
So
the
goal
here
is
to
try
and
get
that
water
back
into
the
town's
water
portfolio.
F
So
we
could
use
it,
and
this
is
a
similar
slide
to
what
I
show
you
every
quarter
again
during
the
the
winter
months
or
monsoons.
The
pond
overflow
is
the
orange.
So
that's
the
water
being
wasted
from
that
system
just
because
we
can't
control
the
deliveries,
we'd
still
like
to
work
with
them
on
all
the
rest
of
inefficiencies,
but
if
we
can
gain
control
over
and
put
that
water
somewhere
else,
the
benefit
to
town,
that's
going
to
be
a
Water
Resource,
something
that
we
can
rely
on
in
the
future.
F
Yeah
and
again
just
another
thing
that
again
the
making
up
of
the
the
makeup
of
the
the
inefficiencies,
the
evaporation,
the.
What
we
think
are
the
calculated
liner
leakage
is,
and
the
measured
Pond
overflows
right
now
in
2023.
Sadly,
for
the
calendar
year,
we
had
some
inefficiency
issues
where
we
think
we're
going
to
be
closer
to
80
acre
feet
overflowing
their
Lake
system
this
this
year.
F
F
So
with
that
we
want
to
summarize,
we've
talked
about
a
lot
today.
We
wanted
to
get
again
it's
a
two-way
conversation
to
hear
from
the
council
as
we
move
forward.
So
we
just
don't
want
to
come
back
with
a
master
plan
and
say
what
you
know:
go
get
some
more
sleep
and
come
back
in
it
again.
So
we
talked
about
a
summary
of
our
Water
Resources.
F
So,
yes,
we
started
off
with
what
was
a
hard
conversation
say
if
we
don't
change
what
we're
doing
right
now,
the
town
is
going
to
be
very
quickly
in
a
situation
where
we
cannot
provide
water
for
our
customers,
but
we
also
think
we
presented
some
solutions.
The
master
plan
won't
provide
all
the
solutions,
so
I
think
we're
going
to
have
to
continue
moving
forward
with
that.
F
F
Let's
see
here,
we
talked
about
fire
flow
requirements.
We
are
suggesting
a
change
in
the
in
the
fire
flow
requirements
from
what
was
done
in
2013,
that
Master
Plan
was
sort
of
I,
think
implemented
by
the
town,
but
never
fully
implemented
in
the
fact
that
they
were
looking
at
getting
up
to
2,
000
gallons
a
minute
out
of
all
the
distribution
lines.
F
We
don't
think
that's
practical
or
feasible
for
our
distribution
system,
so
we're
looking
at
actually
a
standard
that
would
lower
that
to
where
practical
we
will
try
to
meet
a
higher
standards,
but
we
have
a
lot
of
ancillary
or
the
edges
of
the
system
where
it's
just
not
practical,
especially
for
when
you
factor
in
things
like
water
age.
We
don't
want
to
be
replacing
all
our
four
and
six
inch
lines
with
eight
inch
lines.
That'll
just
kill
the
water
HR
System
and
really
make
it
a
big,
much
bigger
struggle
for
water
quality
in
the
town.
F
F
Only
plant
that
means
to
meet
summer
demands
we're
having
to
run
that
treatment
plant
in
conjunction
with
the
city
of
Phoenix
interconnect
to
to
meet
the
maximum
day
and
demands
for
the
near
future,
but
we
will
have
to
probably
factor
in
in
the
in
the
planning
Horizon
for
the
master
plan,
say
a
plant
expansion
or
an
upgrade
to
that
plant,
but
we
don't
need
to
do
it
right
away,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
the
council
is
aware
that
there
is
a
decision
point
on
that
plan.
It's
coming
up
waste
water
again.
F
If
we
we
don't
change
anything,
we
will.
The
plant
will
be
in
a
low
flow
Condition
it's
well.
We
don't
anticipate
that
will
change
anytime
soon.
The
plant
is
currently
rated
at
660,
000,
gallons
of
treatment
capacity
right
now
at
the
Water
Ranch,
where
our
average
day
is
just
under
200
000..
Obviously
it
goes
up
a
little
bit
in
the
winter.
It
goes
down
in
the
summertime.
The
summer
is
actually
a
challenge
for
us,
because
we
do
not
have
the
loadings
necessary.
We
actually
have
to
bring
in
food
for
the
bugs.
F
We
actually
feed
the
plant
to
keep
it
alive
during
the
summer
time,
if
that's
because
it
is
a
biological
process.
So
you
know
our
recommendation
is
that
we
look
at
ways
to
bring
in
both
the
dry
sewer
areas
and
to
come
up
with
an
opportunity
to
bring
the
Black
Mountain
area,
which
is
right
adjacent
to
it,
whether
that
be
an
improvement
district
that
gets
formed.
F
You
know
we'll
present
the
recommendations.
I
think
they'll
be
outside
the
scope
of
the
master
plan,
but
at
least
with
the
master
plan.
We'll
have
those
this.
We
have
the
information
to
bring
that
discussion
forward
and
then
the
effluent
for
the
town
you
know
currently
all
affluent
is
going
to
The
Ranch
Community,
Golf
Course.
The
town
needs
to
correct
that
situation.
F
We
need
to
find
somewhere
else
to
benefit
the
town
by
putting
the
effluent
somewhere
else
and
whether
that's
an
agreement
with
Scottsdale
Phoenix
or
again,
going
to
a
direct
potable
reuse
plant
at
the
plant
to
give
us
some
capacity
and
some
control
over
that
effluent.
That
effluent
is
a
water
resource
for
the
town
that
currently
we
do
not
have
full
control
over.
So
we
have
to
correct
that
situation.
F
And
that
this
is
the
different
options
that
we've
come
up
with
through
the
master
planning
process
to
try
and
do
something
beneficially
there'll
be
Capital
Improvements.
So
we
could
probably
weigh
that
in,
but
also
it's
the
partners,
whether
you
know
if
Phoenix
wants
to
work
with
us
and
Scottsdale
wants
to
work
with
us
or
if
we
just
want
to
take
our
own
jurisdictional
control
and
do
a
direct
portable
reuse
plan.
F
That's
things
we
can
factor
in
the
master
plan
will
be
able
to
cover
some
of
this
and
some
ideas
and
what
we
might
be
able
to
come
up
with
with
that
we've
been
talking
for
a
while
here,
so
we
could
take
any
questions
from
Council
or
even
the
public
as
far
as
if
anybody
wants
to
go
a
different
direction
or
if
they
think
we're
done.
Hopefully,
we've
done
a
good
job
here.
F
E
M
F
Well,
first
toilet
to
tap
if
you're
not
aware
most
the
jurisdictions
in
the
valley
actually
do
recharge
the
refluent
and
pull
it
out
through
well.
So
it's
currently
something
that's
going
on
in
the
valley
right
now.
I,
don't
like
that
binocular,
because
it
brings
a
negative
connotation
towards
that.
It's
a
water
resource
for
the
town.
Well,
I
I!
Did
it.
F
I
want
to
mention
the
direct
portable
reuse
that
would
be
us
doing
another
enhanced
treatment
at
the
back
end
of
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
to
take
that
treated
effluent
water
and
actually
treat
it
to
the
levels
that
makes
it
potable
drinking
water.
That's
what
Phoenix
is
currently
looking
at
doing
in
the
valley.
That's
what
city
of
Scottsdale
has
a
pilot
plant
that
they've
been
running
for
a
number
of
years
are
trying
to
do
it's
just.
It
would
gives
us
some
control
over
that
again.
Typically,
what
most
jurisdictions
do.
F
Is
they
take
that
water
that
effluent
they'll
recharge
it
into
the
groundwater
table
and
then
withdraw
it
through
groundwater
Wells
located
within
a
certain
proximity?
So
it
actually
is
a
full
system
you're
using
some
soil,
real
interface
with
it.
Within
that
direct
probable,
you
reuse
just
takes
away
that
solo
interface
interface,
but
we'd
have
to
look
at
it.
It'd
probably
be
I
think
it
would
be
very
expensive
for
the
town,
so
our
best
option
is
probably
to
look
at
a
water
exchange,
an
effluent
water
exchange
with
either
Scottsdale
or
Phoenix
for
the
town,
yeah.
I
F
F
New
paper,
water
versus
wet
water,
in
our
case
yeah
I,
think
Phoenix
was
not
adverse
to
the
situation.
It's
just
we
get.
You
know.
Obviously
they
got
bigger
issues
to
deal
with,
so
we
just
have
to
get
on
their
radar
screen,
but
I
do
think
that
might
work
out
for
them,
instead
of
them
pushing
cap
water
10
miles
north
of
the
cap
Canal
to
feed
their
reuse.
Why
not?
Let
us
send
some
of
our
water
down
to
them
and
help
meet
their
their
customer
demands
and
then
just
work
out
at
exchange.
F
M
I
I
D
I
G
C
I
F
So
in
these
larger
facilities-
and
we
we're
we
have
agreements
with
both
Phoenix,
we
can
recharge
with
Phoenix
boats
a
lot
more
costly
because
we
can
recover
or
recharging
their
Wells
or
we've
elected
to
move
forward
with
recharging
with
centross
on
our
project
and
their
recharge
facilities,
and
they
happen
to
put
all
our
water
into
the
hieroglyphics
facility.
There's
other
members,
including
cap
that
have
to
which
figure
out
how
to
draw
that
out.
F
So
we're
sort
of
being
participants
at
that
point
and
we're
also
I
hate
to
say
it,
but
we're
late
to
the
game.
We,
the
town,
should
have
been
doing
this
since
we
bought
the
water
company
in
2007,
then
we'd
have
a
very
healthy
balance
of
a
long-term
shortage
price.
What
we've
just
been
doing
it
for
18
months
less
than
18
months
now,.
I
I
O
I
E
A
Yeah
I
had
a
couple
of
comments.
First
thing
coming
out
of
today:
there's
some
kind
of
immediate
things,
meaning
you
we
should
probably
be
looking
at
that
water
policy
again,
if
we're
out
of
water
and
we've
we're
over
allocated
seems
like
that'll
be.
Second,
one
is
whether
all
those
rights
are
still
good
or
whether
some
of
that
can
be
whittled
into
or
those
things
that
never
seem
to
happen.
A
I
K
I
Through
the
certificate
of
assured
and
Water
Supplies
there,
but
there
are
other
things
that
also
would
need
to
occur
for
development
to
go
forward
that
you
may
have
control
over,
including
things
like
you
know,
emergency
moratoriums.
So
it's
not
that
you
don't
have
Twitter
it's
a
question
of
how
and
when.
I
F
And
of
the
two,
the
one
Cielo
Grande
is
I.
Think
if,
if
a
developer
were
to
come
back,
it's
it's
so
egregious
with
how
much
water
they
that
that
certificate
ties
up.
I,
think
that
could
probably
be
half
to
you.
If
someone
ever
to
come
back
and
develop
it,
but
yeah
there
has
to
be
in
in
both
cases,
there's
actually
infrastructure
agreements
and
for
the
true
history
is
that
both
of
them
are
actually
executed
by
the
town.
F
A
A
C
I
D
Man,
but
back
to
the
the
two
developments
over
in
Desert
Hills,
you
should
talk
about
that
were
the
assured
water
was
was
given
to
them
after
afterward,
but
at
that
time
I
mean
they
don't
have
any
surface
water
rights
only
rights
they
have
were
groundwater.
Why
do
we
have
to
supply
them
with
with
cat
water.
F
When
the
certificates
were
actually
issued,
I
think
in
both
cases
they
started
just
before
the
purchase.
So
if
you
look
back
to
history,
they
were
both
going
through
an
entitlement
process,
but
the
town
signed
off
on
the
final
certificates.
In
both
cases
they
say
co-mingled,
surface
cap
water,
they
do
not
say
exclusively
groundwater.
They
actually
are
co-mingled,
and
that
was
done.
We
suspect,
because
of
the
time
the
town
was
water
was
running
a
co-mingled
system.
F
So
when
they
went
to
adwr
adwr
said
yes,
they're,
actually
a
co-mingled
water
supply
and
then
talking
with
Michelle
I,
don't
think
there's
a
way
we
could
go
back
to
them
and
say
no.
It
has
to
be
only
groundwater.
Therefore,
you
have
to
give
me
a
new
well
which
is
not
feasible
out
there.
It's
supposed
to
stop
that
development.
I
think
the
way
it's
written.
We
would
be
bound
to
provide
them
with
the
Water
Resource
if
they
came
forward.
This.
A
Yeah,
the
last
thing
is
we're
probably
Kerry
and
I
talked
today,
we're
pounding
more
and
more
and
more
work
complexity,
plans,
options
into
our
water
department,
and
what
are
we
going
to
do
about
that?
We
do
not
my
judgment.
We
do
not
have
the
capability
of
getting
this
work
done
and
running
the
system.
O
So
we've
looked
into
trying
to
figure
out
at
this
point
in
order
to
get
it
posted
for
position.
Reasonable
salary
ranges
so
that
we
can
attract
competent
applicants
for
the
position
and
we
we
unfortunately
as
we're
going
through.
Our
compensation
study,
have
been
having
to
sort
of
call
that
information
on
our
own
from
Individual
websites
and
a
lot
of
that
information
has
not
been
updated
and
there
are
other
factors
and
agreements
and
and
things
in
cities
that
we
have
to
dig
into
to
take
the
full
compensation
package
into
consideration.
O
So
we're
we've
got
that
sort
of
around
numbers,
but
it's
not
really
exact.
For
current
current
positions.
We've
got
a
couple
of
positions
similar,
so
we
can
get
that
posted.
So
that's
one
thing:
we
also
have
large
CIP
projects
and
the
Phoenix
interconnect
is
one
and
black
and
Beach
will
continue
to
be
working
on
that
project.
But
there
is
a
plan
not
to
have
Sean
or
any
other.
O
Existing
staff
have
to
spend
all
their
time
working
on
managing
that
project,
that
there
would
be
a
contract
project
manager
to
help
seize
that
project
through
the
other
solution.
Is
we
have
a
lot
of
smaller
I?
Guess
they
call
it
more
maintenance
projects,
contract
projects
that
we
need
to
get
done
and
Sean's
been
spending
a
lot
of
time.
Working
on
that
Contracting
out
services
for
a
project
manager
makes
a
lot
more
sense
than
hiring
Personnel
because
of
the
the
type
of
projects
and
how
they
fluctuate.
O
You
might
have
three
or
four
projects
you're
working
on
with
water,
and
then
there
might
be
two
or
three
with
waste
water
and
having
that
flexibility,
to
move
from
Project
to
project
and
have
one
person
manage
the
smaller
projects
and
then
kind
of
do
another
scope
of
work
for
for
three
or
four
water
projects
versus
sewer.
So
that
seems
to
make
more
sense
than
hiring
the
staff.
So
that's
that's
the
direction
we're
going
in
general
yeah.
A
A
I
Some
some
of
the
bigger
cities
still
have
plenty,
I
mean
there
are
haves
and
have-nots,
but
you're
correct.
There
are
some
out
there
that
are
struggling
with
water.
Buckeye
Queen
creeps
out,
buying
water
I
mean
there
are.
There
are
areas
that
that
they
are,
you
know,
figuring
it
out
as
they
go
along
where.
C
I
I
See
right,
what
worries
me
about
the
town
Supply
is
the
lack
of
diversity
and
that's
why
we're
looking
at
different
options,
including
that
I
think
reclaimed?
Water
is
really
a
big
opportunity
that
can
be
harnessed
and
even
other
people's
reclaimed
water.
If
you
have
the
opportunity
to
take
some,
you
know
yeah.
J
Anderson
Cape
Creek
John,
first
of
all,
I
want
to
congratulate
you
and
your
team
for
putting
together
a
wonderful
presentation.
It
was
very
informative
and
it's
critical
to
ensure
the
safety
and
security
of
our
water
and
future
to
be
doing
this
so
I'm
very
happy
to
see
that
I
was
also
very
happy
to
see.
J
I
did
want
to
make
a
comment
about
I,
think
you're,
still
working
on
some
language
that
might
apply
in
a
tier
three
situation
and
I
was
kind
of
concerned
about
that.
Initially,
because
you
know
part
of
the
joy
of
living
in
Cave
Creek
is
the
ability
to
pursue
our
recreational
interests
and
I,
say
the
two
major
interests
and
I
see
are
horses
and
pools,
and
this
was
targeting
pools,
which
I
did
not
like
I.
J
Think
pools
are,
are
part
of
the
real
estate
that
people
own
and
taking
those
away
from
people
is
denying
them
value
of
their
home
and
I.
Think
that's
tremendous
governmental,
overreach
horses
I
was
amazed
to
find
that
a
single
horse
consumes
almost
as
much
water
as
the
evaporation
from
a
fifteen
thousand
gallon
pool
and
in
this
solution
we
did
not
address
foreigners.
J
Now,
if
it's
a
business,
that's
one
thing,
but
we
have
recreational
horses,
recreational
pools.
You
know
we
should
treat
them.
Similarly,
there
should
not
be
a
special
class
because
of
who
you
are
or
what
you
own.
That
kind
of
boils
down
to.
If
there
is
any
reduction
in
our
water,
I
would
Advocate
just
making
it
even
distribution
across
the
board
and
leaving
up
to
people's
creativity,
to
kind
of
figure
out
how
to
best
use
that
water,
but
don't
tell
them
how
to
use
it.
So
that
was
my
other
recommendation.
J
What
we
use
and
if
we
have
to
conserve,
why
can't
we
conserve
as
an
entire
town
anyway,
I
encourage
you
as
you
look
through
that
to
look
at
a
way
of
making
it
fair
so
that
everybody
in
this
town
has
an
equal
interest
same
amount
of
skin
in
the
game
and
can
be
motivated
to
conserve
in
an
equal
fashion
right
out
of
town
thanks.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
F
Pump,
those
Wells
the
groundwater
into
our
economy-
oh
no,
actually
I,
want
I,
didn't
want
to
talk
to
Clear
Creek
about
the
opportunity,
because
that
one
option
came
up
of
you
know
by
spur
Cross
Ranch.
Could
we
do
a
well
and
could
be?
Could
we
do
a
new
Municipal?
Well,
once
we
actually
do
Municipal
Wells,
it's
actually
held
on
a
different
higher
standards,
so
we'd
have
to
do
a
couple
things.
One
is
currently
the
dwr
model
doesn't
even
extend
to
that
area.
So
we'd
have
to
do
a
new
model
update
to
do
that.
M
J
F
Yeah
yeah
I:
don't
it's
going
to
talk
to
Clear
Creek
and
see
if
they
have
any
knowledge
of
that
I
I
suspect
we
probably
don't
as
we
go
further
north
are
going
to
find
it
as
like
a
nice
sweet
spot
of
an
aquifer.
We
might
find
some
and
find
something
but
I
don't
know
how
how
sustainable
it
will
be,
and
then
we
also
have
to
look
at
how
to
get
that
water
into
the
distribution
system.
F
Also
it
could,
you
could
be
talking
miles
of
Pipeline
and
then
you
might
have
to
do
Wellhead
treatment
and
then
the
cost
of
all
that
what
we
found
in
Desert
Hills
is
arsenic
mitigation.
That's
one
of
the
things
that
we're
going
to
have
to
get
a
handle
on
over.
There
is
right.
Now
we
we
are
one
of
our
problems
in
the
distribution
system.
Is
we're
sending
so
much
water
to
Desert
Hills
to
blend
with
the
water.
We
have
to
separate
that,
but
that's
a
million
and
a
half
dollars
to
do
Wellhead
treatment.
F
So
you
start
talking
about
well-head
treatment
for
arsenic
or
or
something
else,
that's
something
so
now
I'm
operating
a
a
system.
That's
potentially
out
north
of
the
town,
so
something
we
could
factor
in
something
to
consider
and
I
think
all
everything
has
to
be
on
the
tables.
What
I
think
I'm
I
get
as
a
takeaway
from
the
master
plan
and
the
discussions
on
you
know
we
do
have
a
shortage
situation
that
the
town
needs
to
realistically
look
at
and
then
how
we
overcome
that
I
think
PhD.
All
things
need
to
be
on
the
table.
All.
D
C
B
P
I'm
going
to
start
off
with
an
easy
one
long
ago,
I
learned
that
you
should
never
set
a
standard
that
you
cannot
meet
2,
000
gallons
per
minute.
We
knew
back
in
2013
when
we're
working
with
water
works
on
the
2013
plan
was
not
a
good
number.
It's
certainly
still
not
a
good
number.
One
of
the
concerns
I
have
is
that
a
clubber
attorney
not.
E
P
One,
a
clever
attorney
would
say:
oh
your
house,
burned
down
was
the
town
able
to
supply
2,
000
gallons
per
minute
to
put
out
the
fire?
Oh
I,
don't
think
so.
We'd
better
hire
somebody
like
Jim
to
come
in
and
be
a
witness
to
say.
Oh
the
fire
could
have
been
put
out
if
they
did
what
they
said.
They
were
going
to
do.
That's
just
one
of
those
kinds
of
things
that
bothers
me
by
the
way.
Sean
I
think
it
was
a
great
presentation.
Your
part
was
good
too.
It's
always
a
great
presentation
from
you.