CHAOSS Common Metrics Working Group, 5 Mar 2020

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CHAOSS.Common.March.5.2020

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So welcome to the March fifth meeting of the chaos common working group. I will post the link to the minute scary I think everybody has them actually so Georg do you have them.

B

Yeah I have the minutes. Okay,.

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Dishes, while we're on the collar.

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All right that makes sense so I think we didn't have a big agenda today. I think we got through a variety of things last time with respect to revising the focus areas. I think one of the things that I'd like to talk about is the diverse contributions, metric or I. Think it's changed.

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Names I think it's types of contributions now and whether or not we want to try to get this to be part of the rolling release and what that would look like I, don't even know, I think if we chose to to kind of say this is good to go, I think it's largely just issuing a pull request for this metric. We don't really have this process defined real well. So if you want to take a look at this.

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So I have a few thoughts on the rolling release. What we still need to do is figure out the process, because this would be the first metric to actually.

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The rolling release, model and I believe you already have a pull request. We already added it to the common working group repository okay,.

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The next step should be a review period where we announce it on the mailing list and we get people involved, maybe have an issue on our repo, where we collect the feedback and after I don't know how long you want to do this two weeks or so. We can consider it to be ready for release, and then we need to update.

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The website, so they.

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Don't have pull requests at the moment in common. It's not that I'm, seeing I think.

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It's already merged yeah, it's already merged. Okay,.

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A pull request: 54, ok, so it should just that the page should just be there.

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um I think we should probably I think we should probably use the same process that we would use for the other metrics. So, like the same because I think gehrig, you said a two-week review period, but I think we should just use the regular one like keep us yeah, keep as much the same as we possibly can so that everyone does it consistently.

C

Does that make sense, Carrick.

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Silences, yes, yes,.

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All right well I mean so if this is merged, maybe we could just do this now open it issue.

B

Yeah I think opening an issue and sending an email to the mailing list. Other steps we need to take now.

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Let's just do this here right.

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Everybody all right with just doing this, no yeah.

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Go for it. Okay,.

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Should we come up with kind of a wait of title visas, rolling release?

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What was this called.

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Type of contributions, I.

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Don't have any naming suggestions, yeah types of contributions, okay,.

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We want it, I mean, do we want to say new metric candidate like that.

C

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What are we trying to do with this issue? Point people to the the page provides platform we're at the moment, but for feedback.

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What would that be just whatever April? First.

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And I would explicitly mentioned in that first first sentence that it's not the feedback on the types of contributions metric its feedback on well I mean I, guess it is, but its feedback on it related to the release. Should we mentioned release somewhere in there related.

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To should I call it a rolling release, really good or just related to or.

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Maybe just say as part of the rolling release instead of related to okay.

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We can even explicitly say that we have a lazy consensus and unless we hear in the feedback that prevents us from publishing it or that we need to fix that on April, first be considered. This accept it.

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If you can see my screen, if.

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No feedback provided.

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We will consider the metric ready for release no.

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It looks good okay,.

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Alright, so then.

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It's just crafting an email and just then to point people to this issue.

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I'll send an email.

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To point people to my brain is slow too, and I didn't fly anywhere all right. Okay,.

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A few things here.

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Done and so then Georg you had suggested a feedback period like whatever a month.

C

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Then, once that passes, then we just move it into the website.

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Yeah, okay- and there are files in the website repository that we'll have to update and then Kevin needs to create a page on the WordPress.

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And we need to update the release, notes, oh yeah.

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Good, that's kind of done with that thing. All right, don't you know outside of looking at new metrics within common. Are there other other things, and we can look at the metrics on the list? I, don't know how much our brain power is pushing today, but and I'm said I'm totally sensitive to that too, are there other things other than looking at new metrics that people have for common? Listen to me this.

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Nice thing to accomplish is even just to get a metric as part of the rolling release. Yeah.

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I think that's might be all I can accomplish today.

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Totally totally understandable one.

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Thought that I have is, since we just thought through the rolling release, is that the contributors to the community handbook this process and then shared out with the other working groups. Okay,.

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Don't have two tasks which we don't have to do anything else. We just take what we just discussed and added to the community handbook.

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A service to the rest of the community.

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I'm, guessing you want to do that so I'm gonna put you down I.

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Wanted to right now, I'm.

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Sure you do I know Don wants to do it right now, we're not gonna. Let that happen.

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C

Right so could.

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Like at this point, I'll send the email out to the issue to get feedback and.

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And done is done all right, good.

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Totally agree anything else we can keep it short.

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I'm; okay, with that.

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You two so therefore words I've.

C

No brain power today, anyways.

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At my screen trying to get something done and it's not not happening.

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It's easier just just start tomorrow, no.

C

You have to power it no cuz, that's how jet like winds. If you got a bad day.

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Up, that's true: it's only 5:00 in the evening. Isn't it yeah.

C

It's only 4:15 I can't okay 4:15.

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Okay, very much I.

C

Have to stay out, but it's not gonna, be productive. Go watch a movie yeah yeah.

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Alright, I think that's good for me. I I.

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Just want to spend the next 10 minutes or to document the release. If you don't want to be part of that, that's fine! If you want to try me with that, then we can do it together. Now.

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Why why don't you and I do it dawn? You are alright.

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Yeah, you I'm happy to do it with you Gary, so.

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Okay, I think I'm I was starting it as in markdown, but maybe we just start a Google Doc. So let me start a new.

B

Because there are, two elements are two things that we want to document. One is the regular release and one is the continuous release or rolling release. Yep.

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So get a shareable link. Anyone with the link can edit copy link put it in the meeting minutes.

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So let's say we just document it here.

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I'll just copy paste the items we had.

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Something along those lines: seven steps, I, think that looks pretty good.

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Are you in California right now? Yes,.

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I'm in Pasadena and headed to the scale conference here in 40 minutes is.

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It started yet it is very yesterday. It's it's.

B

Starting today, okay, but the the the schedule looks like Swiss cheese, yeah.

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I think remember: some it's gonna be similar I.

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Think every conference is going to be similar, actually yeah.

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Vinod is out there by the way. You know that oh he's.

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At scale mm-hmm I did not know.

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Okay, I'm not entirely sure how are we gonna do the regular release after this after adding rolling releases mm-hmm, there's a lot of the steps that we did before already part of the rolling release. I tried to just reference that I.

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Mean what am I the way I kind of have started to think about. The regular release is that we have the rolling releases right so I mean there's an opportunity for each working group to say have a half a dozen metrics over the course of a six month window and then.

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And so I guess the rolling release is really just kind of an update to the webpage. But then the regular release is a story of all of those. Thirty new metrics, together yeah.

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Been seeing it and it's possible that, like right at that regular release deadline, a working group could release you know three or four okay. I could see that now.

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They're pushing for the regular release they're, not.

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Just the rolling release him so.

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To me, the regular release is just a way to kind of more vocally signal. Hey over the last six months. We have these 20 new metrics yep, and one of those metrics might be five months old. You know like this common metric and one of those metrics in this regular release might be only a day old, exactly together. Here's the release so and I think when I think about.

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Like rolling, maybe rolling release is a bad word. Maybe it's like rolling contributions, rolling.

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Rolling update or something like that, how.

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About continuous integration, yeah.

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I mean yes, it's like get rid of the word release and.

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We just reserved that word release to the every six month, cadence, because actually also thinking about the conformance.

C

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Those are gonna be aimed at a release right, that's the that was what Steve was talking about. Yes,.

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So it's probably most sensible to aim those at a release in whatever January and a release in July.

B

So maybe include inside the metric that this is staged or release with or something.

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It's available, but it's actually staged and will be delivered officially as part of the next release or something yeah.

B

Okay, sort of continuous integration, I, don't know a better word for it either. Yeah.

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I'll just keep them issue that I have, it still says rolling release, but maybe you can sleep on it or think about it today, then, we might have a slightly better word. Yeah.

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Is I don't mind that we're rolling if the world release.

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hmm So rolling integration sounds weird, but yes, rolling publication.

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Rolling contribution, rolling country.

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I'm just typing in the headings here.

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Cmc continuous metric contribution- that's not terrible parenting.

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But it just this provides a way to basically make those contributions. I mean I. I know you get it yep we're on the same page, yeah, actually I kind of like that phrase, continuous metric contribution, okay,.

B

It has a nice roll to it, yeah.

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I'll actually take that now update that issue here.

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Okay, then I will just copy this into a markdown and create a pull request against the handbook. Okay,.

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That makes sense and then I'll get this email and call it good awesome.

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Thank you very much. Everyone.

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In Pasadena thank.

B

You I'll hope to see you next week. If not I'll see you.

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Yeah Chancellor gold just meant something out, but I, don't know. If you see all those emails I do.

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Get those emails I'm, okay,.

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It doesn't say, don't travel yet, but I don't think. Apparently the meeting about travel is at 11:30 this morning.

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Just saw that it's.

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Kind of a general.

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Email like just and I think there's I'm almost positive there's a meeting between like admin, folks at 11:30, yeah make sure there's not travel. Okay,.

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Talk you later wait.

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