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From YouTube: CHAOSS DEI Working Group Meeting July 19, 2023
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A
Hey
everyone:
it's
the
Dei
working
group
meeting
for
chaos.
It's
July
19th
you're
here
with
all
of
us
yay
we're
having
a
really
good
day,
I
think
today,
maybe
I
don't
know.
I
am
even
I'm
a
little
tired.
Yesterday,
I
was
running
on
pure
adrenaline
I.
Think
so
today,
I'm
kind
of
digging
deep
a
little
bit
I
got
my
I
got
my
coffee,
so
I'm
good.
B
A
Share
here
make
sure
I'm
sharing
the
right
thing
here
we
go,
the
47
tabs
open,
I
got
you
know
the
use,
that's
cheap!
Okay.
There
we
go
here,
we
go
yeah
and
if
somebody
can
do
me
a
favor
and
if
new
people
join
just
throw
the
minutes
in
there,
whoever
happens
to
be
here
and
just
a
quick
reminder.
This
meeting,
like
all
of
our
chaos
meetings,
are
under
the
chaos
code
of
conduct.
A
C
A
E
A
A
Okay,
well,
let's,
if
you
have
not
added
your
name,
and
you
would
like
to
do
that
and
tell
us
just
how
you're
feeling
today,
that
would
be
great
if
you
don't
want
to
that's,
also
completely
valid
again
we're
we're
super
easy
here.
It's
really
on
you
what
you
feel
like
doing
so.
The
first
thing
we
have
is
just
wanted
to
bring
up
this
onboarding
course
that
we've
been
talking
about
and
for
those
who
are
new
or
who
haven't
heard
about
this.
C
A
Some
in-person
or
virtual
face-to-face
interaction
through
our
newcomer
Hangout,
so
what
we
are
going
to
try
is
doing
like
a
like
a
course,
a
chaos
course
in
a
learning
management
system,
just
like
you
would
take
at
a
university
or
a
school
and
we're
gonna
just
see
how
that
goes
and
see
if
it
resonates
with
people.
So
we've
been
talking
about
this
for
a
little
while
I
I
did
present
this
as
a
part
of
a
presentation.
A
I
gave
at
Posse
with
Justin
Flory
on
just
some
things,
we're
trying
or
want
to
try
in
our
communities
these
in
the
Fedora
community
and
obviously
I'm
here,
and
that
was
one
thing
that
I
brought
up
and
it
seemed
like
people
were
super
interested
in
that
that
concept
of
oh
yeah.
It
is
just
you're
trying
to
educate
folks
on
your
project
and
what
a
good
way
to
do
that
by
you
know
just
having
this.
This
course
that
they
can
go
through
and
I.
A
A
So
that
was
awesome
and
then
the
second
thing
is
I
realized.
Looking
back
through
the
notes
from
the
community
meeting
in
this
meeting,
and
we
have
a
few
different
things
kind
of
going
on
with
this
there's
like
a
a
dock
that
we're
just
putting
ideas
for
content
in
and
then
there's
I
think
Matt
you're
working
on
like
trying
to
sort
out
a
platform
for
us,
so
I,
just
kind
of
thought.
Maybe
we
should
like
make
this
a
little
more
of
a
not
super
formal,
but
just
like
centralize
it
a
little
bit
better.
E
Yeah,
so
I
have
a
few
comments.
I'm,
of
course,
like
super
interested
in
this
in
the
courses
and
I
think
it
ties
well
with
the
chaos.
Regional
leads,
as
well,
so
with
the
work
that
Ruth
is
doing
in
chaos,
Africa
and
Ruth,
and
others
mencella
is
starting
in
Latin,
America
and
Christy
is
starting
in
the
Balkans,
so
I
think.
Would
this
also
kind
of
be
part
of
that?
It
sounds
like
there's
like
a
set
of
courses
that
might
be
chaos
specific
and.
H
A
A
Maybe
the
r
learning
module
is
go
read
this
other
thing
over
here
or
go
watch
this
video,
that's
done
by
somebody
else,
but
it's
like
kind
of
in
our
steps
of
you
know
how
to
how
to
really
prepare
to
contribute
and
to
prepare
to
be,
even
if
they
don't
end
up
contributing
to
chaos.
I
mean
I.
Think
we've
said
that
before,
like.
D
A
D
A
A
E
A
H
Sean
I
mean
so
I
I
the
thought
I
have
is.
We
could
use
GitHub,
classroom
and
Link
that
to
a
learning
management
system,
because
the
GitHub
classroom
has
the
advantage
of
allowing
us
to
set
up
exercises
for
everyone
who
wants
to
do
it
where
they
can
actually
practice
GitHub
activities
and
actions
and
kind
of
get
a
a
scaffolded
introduction
to
the
whole
open
source
World,
which
would
especially
be
useful
to
people
who
have
never
used
GitHub
before
and
and
in
terms
of
the
learning
management
system.
H
E
G
Yeah
Elizabeth
I
think
I,
like
the
idea
you
put
forward
and
giving
that
we
can
look
at
chaos
to
be
a
good
way
to
open
source
without
it
necessarily
bring
the
landing
project
of
the
open
source.
Like
the
end
point,
so
we
could
tell
it
from
the
using
the
tunnel
the
funnels
approach
from
General
to
very
specific
things.
G
For
example,
crops
in
Africa
may
have
some
specific
cities
of
things
that
wants
to
deal
with
their
local
community
and
some
extent
they
Latin
America's
the
different
areas,
but
the
general
concepts
should
really
fit
in
any
arbitrary
open
source
project.
So
the
introductory
course
really
cover
things
that
are
very
generous
open
source.
Then
try
to
prepare
Forks
also
that
they
could
be
useful
since
we
are
preparing
metrics
for
others
to
consume.
So
we
are
really
like
the
gateway
to
others,
open
source
in
terms
of
metrics
and
analytics
to
understand
or
concern.
G
F
So
I
think
we're
we're
kind
of
talking
about
the
three
different
things
here.
One
of
them
is,
one
of
them
is
onboarding
to
chaos.
Another
one
is
kind
of
General
guidance
on
open
source
and
GitHub,
and
the
other
one
is
Outreach
around
chaos,
metrics
and
I.
Think
the
the
target
audience
for
those
things
is
all
different
And
in
regards
to
the
second
one,
the
like
guidance
on
GitHub
GitHub
provides
a
lot
of
that
guidance
on
their
own.
We.
F
Just
point
people
there
I,
don't
know
that
we
need
to
recreate
that
content
or
or
create
new
content.
So
then
what
we're
talking
about
is
onboarding
for
chaos
and
then
Outreach
for
chaos.
Products.
If
you
will
right,
metrics,
Smitty,
auger
software
or
more
lab
software,
then
I
think
those
two
things
are
are
different
enough:
that
that
I
would
consider
them
to
be
two
separate
projects.
A
Yeah
so
I
think
that
sorry,
if
I
cut
anybody
off
I
didn't
mean
to
so
I
think
that
I
I,
like
the
idea
of
of
again
utilizing
stuff
that
is
already
written
and
not
re.
You
know
reworking
the
wheel,
I
think
the
thing
that
I'm
looking
for
in
this
is
one
central
place
that
we
can
send
people.
So
you
come.
You
come
to
our
course
and
here's
we
will.
A
We
will
help
you
find
the
places
to
go
so
what
the
way
I
Envision
it
may
be
different
than
others
is
that
you
would
come
here's
the
intro
to
intro
to
open
source,
for
instance.
So
here
might
be
a
little
bit
of
content
that
we
create
things
that
aren't
covered
in
other
places
like
the
Nuance
of
interacting
with
folks.
C
A
Like
that
that
really
aren't
available
in
other
places
that
just
kind
of
cover
like
the
technological
stuff
about
open
source,
so
you
have
that
and
then
you
have
maybe
okay
now
you're
you've
gone
through
that
okay
now
go
go.
Do
this
other
thing
over
here
and
come
back
okay!
Now
next
thing
is:
go.
Do
this
other
thing
over
here
and
come
back
to
us
and
we
will
just
like
help
you
navigate
because
there's
so
much
out
there
that,
like,
if
we
just
say
yeah,
go
watch
a
you
know:
okay,
go
just
go!
A
Do
this
GitHub
course
over
here
like
it's,
it's
just
like
I
feel
like
we're,
pointing
them
away
and
I
would
rather
just
bring
them
back
and
and
keep
it
all
in
one
sequential
or
one
place
for
them
to
just
know
what
they're
doing
and
know
where
they're
supposed
to
go.
If
that
makes
sense,
yeah
Matt
go
for
it.
E
Maybe
I
we
could
break
this
into
a
couple.
Different
things
to
focus
on
one
would
be
a
group
that
focuses
on
like
what
the
content
of
whatever
these
courses
might
be
and
how
those
might
be
designed.
So
so
you
know
just
kind
of
the
structure
that
you're
talking
about
the
structure
that
Kevin's
talking
about
and
Armstrong
like
one
group
to
kind
of
sort
that
that
particular
structure
out
the
other
would
be
a
group
to
sort
out
the
technology
that
would
be
available.
H
E
Very
helpful
yeah
so
then
so
then
like
that
could
be
sorted
out
in
this
other
group
here
you
know
what
I
mean
like
and
how
that
would
connect
with
Moodle
and
kind
of
what
that
would
look
like
and
show
people
like
does
as
an
example
I'm
not
sure
like.
Would
you
go
to
Google
Classroom
first
and
then
click
something
and
it
takes
you
to
Moodle,
or
do
you
go
to
Moodle
first
and
then
like
just
how.
E
A
E
E
What
stories
are
we
trying
to
tell
what
we
need
to
create
I
even
have
questions
like
how
strict
would
we
want
to
make
a
class
you
know
like
there
are
ways
that
you
can
really
highly
structure
a
class
to
make
sure
that
people
go
module
by
module
and
they
can't
proceed
without
doing
the
prior
module
or
is
it
more
like,
you
know,
choose
what
you
would
like
kind
of
thing.
Do
we
provide
like
a
certificate
of
completion?
You
know
those
are
things
that
I
think
would
be
sorted
out
in
content.
A
Yeah
I
love
this
idea,
because
I,
what
I
really
am
hoping
is
that
we
can
include
as
many
newcomers
as
possible
because
our
newcomers
are
only
newcomers
once,
and
so
they
have.
This
like
unique
perspective
that
you
know
those
of
us
who've
been
around
for
a
little
while
kind
of
don't
have
anymore,
and
so
I
can
try
to
guess
what
people
I
think
they
might
want
to
know
or
need
to
know.
A
A
C
A
A
I
also
just
quickly
wanted
to
add
I
at
fussy.
I
was
sitting
right
next
to
the
Imperial
folks
who
have
Sakai,
and
so
when
I
was
talking
to
them
about
our
idea,
they
were
like.
Oh
my
gosh.
That
would
be
amazing
to
be
able
to
do
that
for
all
the
open
source
projects
like
I.
They
were
really
excited
about
that,
so
they
may
be
another
one
to
look
at
if
we
haven't
decided
on
platform.
So
I
might
just
add
them
here,
because
I
don't
know
much
about
them.
Yeah.
D
A
D
D
A
Was
kind
of
what
I
was
hoping
we
would
figure
out
I
like
the
idea
of
the
newcomers
Channel.
My
only
hesitation
would
be
that
I
would
not
want
it
to
get
lost
in
all
of
the
other
newcomery
stuff
that
happens
in
that
channel.
So
I
don't
know
if
we
need
another
Channel,
another
slack,
Channel,
sorry
Kevin
another
side
deal
but
or
if
we
just
want
to
do
it
in
the
newcomer
Channel
and
then
maybe
have
a
separate
meeting.
Sorry
Matt,
another
meeting,
I,
don't
know
I,
don't
know
what
do
you
all
want.
D
A
A
A
G
E
A
F
I
was
kind
of
pointing
out
earlier
there.
There
are
two
different
two
kind
of
key
different
audiences
for
this,
so
one
of
the
audience
one
of
the
audience
would
make
this
work
sit
in
the
community
repo
and
then
the
the
other
audience
for
this
work
would
actually
be
related
to
the
the
communications
work
working
with
folks
right
so
Outreach
versus
internal
internal
work.
So
it
kind
of
it's
fans
of
both
boundaries.
E
B
Yes,
okay,
so
from
the
perspective
of
a
newcomer,
I
just
want
to
find
out
what
we
are
structuring.
Do
we
intend
to
make
it
a
self-paced
course
or
something
would
be
running,
maybe
in
Cycles
to
have
one
for
each
quarter
of
the
year
or
one
for
each
half
of
the
year?
If
it's
going
to
run
like
that,
then
I
think
it'd
be
great.
If
they
we
have
some
form
of
graduation
ceremony
or
certificates
or
something
Ali.
So
people
who
participate
have
something
to
look
forward
to
at
the
end
of
it.
A
H
A
D
A
D
C
C
However,
we
do
have
a
graduation
ceremony
and
a
company
certificate
that
we
provide
to
the
students
that
have
completed
the
course
to
celebrate
this
amazing
accomplishment
and
to
share
that
with
the
community
and
I
think
it's
been
really
well
received
by
both
the
participants
and
also
all
those
who
have
been
supporting
them
along
the
way
and
then
also
being
able
to
have
that
certificate
and
share
on
any
of
the
professional
Pages.
Whether
that's
a
resume
or
LinkedIn
has
also
been
really
useful.
C
C
C
Ever
done
this
for
like
Max
400
participants,
but
they've
done
it
for
thousands
of
students
at
a
time.
So
it's
a
different
different
learnings
for
both
instances.
But
it
could
be
helpful
if
you're
thinking
about
how
to
do
it
for
a
much
smaller
cohort
and
then
thinking
about
how
this
can
scale
for
a
much
Global
larger
cohort
as
well.
C
A
A
A
Oh
smart!
That's
why
you're
here
Ruth!
Thank
you!
Okay!
Yes,
all
right!
So
I
guess
we're
good.
Are
we
good
to
move
on
everyone's
nodding
thumbs
up?
Okay,
do
we
want
so
I
see
this?
Is
here
I'm
guessing
you
guys
put
that
in
there
Matt
the
check
in
on
the
repo,
because
we
haven't
done
that
in
a
minute.
A
A
A
A
A
I
meant
to
do
it
yesterday
and
just
got
time
time
just
ran
away
from
me
as
it
does
sometimes
I
was
chasing
it
and
it
still
ran
away.
So
I
will
do
it
this
afternoon.
But
if
anybody's
wondering
yes
I'm
aware
it's
okay,
we
got
you
and
then
I
wanted
to
bring
this
up
because
I
think
you
all
talked
about
it
last
time
about.
We.
A
To
like
does
someone
need
to
own
this
because
we
used
to
have
those
specific
badging
Outreach
meetings,
we
kind
of
just
kept
lumping
them
into
other
things,
so
I
didn't
know
if
we
need
somebody
to
just
kind
of
own
it
or
if
we
just
want
to
keep
it
open.
However,
you
want
to
do
it
and
if
you
want
to
update
everybody,
that's
cool.
I
E
A
So
do
we
want
so
we
don't
know
right
now.
We
have
too
many
too
many
things.
Okay
and
then
the
next
thing
I
just
want
to
remind
everybody.
There
is
a
new
Badger
orientation
today
at
12
o'clock,
U.S
Central
time.
So,
if
you're
a
newcomer-
and
you
would
like
to
contribute
to
chaos,
this
is
a
fantastic
way
to
do
it.
You
do
not
have
to
know
anything
really
about
chaos
or
anything,
really,
essentially
you're
verifying.
A
What
applicants
have
told
us
that
they
do
with
regard
to
some
of
our
Dei
metrics,
and
hopefully
it
will
only
be
about
a
15
to
30
minute
commitment
per
month.
We
try
to
spread
those
out
as
much
as
we
can.
So
that's
why
we're
always
including
new
Badgers,
to
keep
that
pool
of
a
pool
of
badgers
pretty
large
as
large
as.
F
A
So
if
you're
interested
show
up,
you
don't
have
to
register
anything
like
that.
Just
show
up
at
12
noon
and
then
you
can
decide
it's
not
even
a
commitment
by
showing
up.
You
can
decide
after
that.
If
you
want
to
do
it
or
not.
So
that's
your
reminder
and
now
we'll
just
move
on
to
project
badging,
so
I
think
there's
some
folks
that
have
updates
on
this
Maybe.
E
E
If
they
have
questions
about
how
to
kind
of
present
the
information
in
their
dei.md
file
I
think
that's
kind
of
the
state
we're
in
at
the
moment,
I'm
not
sure,
like
maybe
a
couple
weeks
for
them
to
kind
of
assemble
that
document
and
then
post
it
and
then,
following
that
we're
gonna
move
into
kind
of
the
work
that
Sean
and
folks
from
chaos
Africa
have
been
working
on,
which
is
the
scan
for
the
dei.md
file.
With
this
pilot
project
is.
I
E
H
D
Okay,
yeah
sure
for
the
website.
It's
still
in
progress
and
then
Anita
had
worked
on
some
contents.
Let
me
pull
up
the
document,
so
people
can
also
drop
feedback
on
that,
because
that's
the
content
that
shows
up
on
the
website
and
then
I'm
trying
to
find
the
link
to
that
document
and
either,
if
you
have
an
econ
drop
it
as
well
so
and
then
Enoch
also
has
some
updates.
I
knew
they.
They
are
trying
to
connect
things
on
the
back
end
side.
D
I
And
could
be
irritating,
but
the
updates
about
that
is
one
thing
that
Ruth
has
forgotten
to
mention.
I
think
we
need
to
know
right
now
what
email
we
are
going
to
use
to
send
out
reports.
I
forwarded
a
sample
of
how,
on
the
developer
side,
not
from
the
designer
side,
I
thought
that
email
would
be
having
some
of
the
content
that
I
forwarded
to
maybe
some
people
whose
emails
I
had
in
my
directory
and
then
two
we're
just
having
an
issue
with
for
test
purposes.
I
We
cannot
try
to
we,
we
cannot.
We
cannot
resolve
or
redirect
some
of
the
pages
from
the
GitHub
or
auth
because
of
the
Cross
Oregon
eras,
but
it's
something
that
we
are
going
to
resolve
with
pressures
after
this
call,
because
I
think
it
is
just
the
only
thing
that
is
stopping
the
front-end
people
from
connecting
the
back
end
to
the
front
end,
whereas
everything
else
is
already
in
device
like
they
already
placeholders.
B
A
B
I
H
H
Well,
I
think
that
I
think
really,
if
we
think
about
it,
the
intention
of
the
email
is
almost
like
one
of
those
no
reply,
emails
that
you
would
get
when
you
sign
up
for
something,
because
it's
really
just
a
transport
mechanism
for
delivering
updates
and
reports.
I,
don't
think
it's
intended
to
be
a
like
a
back
and
forth
Communication
email.
I
H
H
I
H
H
I
I
think
I
think
about
it
at
the
point
of
the
issue
tracker
because
it
gives
chance
to
a
lot
of
people
to
be
engaged
into
maybe
a
particular
issue
if
it
needs
like
engagement
of
more
than
one
person,
which
is
not
the
case
with
an
email
where
what
person
is
responsible
for
such
an
issue
or
reply.
So
maybe
we
can
just
decide
on
who,
which
particular
people
are
responsible?
H
A
To
do
that,
no
reply,
email,
I,
like
that,
a
lot
and
I
like
the
idea
of
doing
issues.
Maybe
we
can
just
open
another
issue
or
another
repo
in
the
all-in
org,
specifically
for
badging,
Communications
or
badging
feedback
or
whatever.
We
want
to
call
it,
but
just
specific
for
that,
because
the
all-in
org
has
a
ton
of
stuff
in
it.
It.
A
Stuff
in
it
between
all
and
for
students
and
they're
all
having
their
own
repos
and
then
the
all-in
for
maintainers
and
all
the
stuff
going
on
there.
So
I
think
there
needs
to
be
like
something
Central
for
badging
or
Justice
feedback.
But
that's
my
that's.
My
personal
preference
I
have
no
strong
feelings.
C
I
I
think
I
was
also
done
trying
to
think
on
GitHub
discussions.
I,
don't
know
whether
I
don't
know
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
know
which
of
them
has
cool
features
for
discussions
about
GitHub
has
GitHub
discussions,
which
I
think
could
be
another
good
place
to
not
only
I
I
would
skip
the
issue
of
creating
a
repository
and
then
creating.
Maybe
okay,
I
think
that
the
GitHub
discussions
can
be
tied
to
a
particular
repository
but
like
there
is
no
code
or
no
one.
C
A
Email
up
the
new
reply,
email
I
can
set
up
the
the
repo
in
the
all
in
org
and
I
can
I
can
enable
discussions
in
there
I
can
enable
whatever
we
want
so
I
don't
mind
taking
that
action
item
just
to
get
that
out
of
the
way
if
you're
able
to
set
or
if
you
can
tell
me
who
to
talk
to
to
set
that
up.
I
could
have
that's
also
valid
I'm
happy
to
do
that.
Yeah.
C
H
I
Yeah
there's
no
reply,
ones,
I,
think
I.
Think
for
now
we
can
use
the
maintainers
at
Allina
princess.com
because
it
looks
like
it
was
already
set
up.
I
think
I
just
need
another,
the
password
to
that,
because
on
my
side
of
the
implementation,
when
I
am
sending
out
like
an
email,
there
is
Need
for
authentication
like
so
that
my
implementation
hurts
like
a
male
clients
or
for
purposes
or
who
can't
catch
up.
They
may
need.
They
may
be
need
to
provide
the
password
to
that
email.
C
You
can
monitor
any
of
the
responses
that
you
would
like
to
receive
through
that
account,
and
it
can
be
completely
separate
from
the
maintainer's
account
we're
not
really
using
the
maintainers
account
for
anything
specifically,
but
in
the
case
that
it
does
become
a
little
bit
more
active
and
you
do
want
to
start
communicating
out
through
a
specific
email
address.
We
can
add
on
another
account
specifically
for
Dei
badging
and
sit
up
full.
C
I
Bert
on
a
lighter
note,
I
thought
I
could
share
a
link
here
to
the
Bare
Bones
of
their
implementation.
That
is
not
connected
to
the
front
end
so
that
some
of
you
can
be
able
to
test
that
out,
but
that
would
mean
tweaking
some
of
the
lines
of
code,
because
how
it
acts
in
production
is
different
from
how
it
acts
in
development
or
when
I
send
the
deployed
card
here.
It
won't
really
bring
the
test
results.
I
I
want
everyone
to
check
out,
phones
or
I,
wanted
to
do
that,
but
it
won't
make
sense
because,
whatever
results
will
be
thrown
back
at,
you
will
be
like
in
a
Json
format
which
which
is
not
really
interacting.
So
until
the
front
end
is
really
up.
We
cannot
interact
with
the
FBI,
because
it's
now
only
used
by
the
front-end
team
to
consume
whatever
data
it
is
throwing
back.