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CHAOSS.D&I.November.4.2019
A
B
A
Know
for
us
it's
easy,
I
was
hoping
game
would
happen
or
people,
since
we
changed
the
time
and
a
lot
of
people
said
that
they
were
available
at
this
time.
It
is
what
it
is.
So
we
have
a
new
person.
I,
don't
know
if
you
want
to
consider
yourself
a
member
of
the
community,
but
after
this
call
I'm
sure
you
we
can
consider
your
number
of
D&I
working
group.
Thank.
C
You
so
yeah
just
a
quick
intro
on
solo
from
part
of
the
nodejs,
like
a
new
initiative
in
the
new
to
no
js'
community
committee.
That
is
trying
to
close
certain
gaps
that
would
even
the
odds
for
contributors
as
in
how
much
contribution
has
reflected
for
the
effort.
They're
you
know
giving
in
and
participating
with.
There
is
a
lot
more
to
it.
It's
not
a
clear
initiative
yet.
A
D
C
C
A
C
Do
more
recognize,
yeah,
it's
more
about
understanding,
accessibility
from
the
fresh
perspective,
it's
thinking
now,
including
specifications
where
it
is
viewed
as
beyond.
Just
screen
readers
on
slides,
you
know,
being
able
to
read
text
that
you
couldn't
without
accommodations
does
not
change
the
fact
that
it
only
takes
you
a
little
bit
of
the
different
paints
to
be
part
of
an
ongoing
conversation
that
is
on
a
conventional
pace.
Well,
you
know
just
one
of
the
reasons
why
this
could
sound
like
relevant
at
this
point.
A
C
So
so
we're
starting
this
in
I
find
that
as
I
I
believe,
the
tools
that
exist
for
people
to
coordinate
their
efforts
are
kind
of
you
know
geared
towards
those
who
can
conventionally
make
use
of
them
and
those
who
need
accessibility
in
order
to
be
able
to
use
these
tools
struggle
to
coordinate
their
efforts
and
they
live
in
those
like
silos
or
islands.
C
Of
you
know,
communities
that
are
trying
to
bring
accessibility
to
a
medium
and
but
but
sadly,
they're,
they're
sports,
and
you
know
as
we
as
we
try
to
bring
this
initiative
to
you
know
das.
We
also
started
trying
to
connect
with
some
providers
and
such
tools
like
github
and
github.
Basically,
we
had
a
you
know,
conversation
or
two,
and
they
mentioned
this
is
the
effort
that
you
guys
were
doing,
and
they
said
you
know.
Maybe
you
know
what
one
thing
you
could
do.
C
Meanwhile,
until
we
figure
out
you
know,
the
design
space
that
is
yet
to
happen
is
just
well
let
you
know
there
are
other
people
and
they're
doing
good
work,
and-
and
so
this
is
where
we
kind
of
you
know,
started
to
say.
Okay,
we
have
to
attend
next
meeting.
That's
why
I'm
here
and
salud
did
not
join
family
today,
but
he
will
hopefully
in
the
future
very
cool.
A
A
B
That's
done
on
the
release
of
metrics
we've
standardized
it
just
a
little
bit
and
we've
had
to
go
through
all
of
the
previous
released
metrics
to
get
them
under
the
new
template.
It
hasn't
changed
the
content
at
all,
but
it's
it's
been
a
nice,
a
nice
effort.
So
anyway,
that's
what
that's
what
this
conversation
is
about.
We
basically
in
the
first
release,
we
had
two
different
templates.
They
were
part
of
the
cast
metrics
release
and
we
didn't
like
that.
We
just
wanted
a
single
template.
B
So
what
you're
seeing
here
is
so
when
I
say
updating
the
template.
It's
just
going
back
to
the
prior
Lee
released
metrics,
putting
them
under
the
new
template
so
that
when
we
release
metrics
or
do
a
second
release
of
metrics
around
FOSDEM
and
Cask
on
in
January,
/
February
everything's
on
good
a
new
template.
That's
all
yep.
A
B
Just
again,
for
those
of
you
don't
know,
we
have
five
different
working
groups
in
the
cast
project,
DNI
being
one
of
them.
We
also
have
red
skin
value
and
evolution
in
common,
so
I'm,
just
going
through
work
group
I
work
group
to
get
this
done.
The
new
template
hang
done.
So,
if
you
want
to
you,
can
we
just?
Maybe
we
could
just
talk
through
these
and
get
them
closed
and
merged
I.
B
A
B
B
D
A
A
B
D
B
A
C
It
so
so
it's
a
very,
very
tricky
one
to
actually
like
I'm,
here,
soul
searching
for
formatic
because
as
it
stands,
when
I
have
accessibility,
related
issues
on
and
I'll
be
one
of
two
I'll
either
play
the
safe
one.
Where
I
know
that
it's
not
always
addressed
well,
or
at
least
maybe
people
want
me
to
tell
them
how
they
can
help
me,
whereas
I'm
there
telling
them
that
what
they
offer.
Everyone
is
not
working
for.
D
C
C
I'll
save
her
not
doing,
and
and
and
so
what
metrics
can
we
put
in
place
to
tell
people
who
don't
have
a
way
to
listen,
so
the
reality
that
there
are
disabilities
introduced
onto
people,
redesign
of
open
source
software
in
contribution
spaces,
because
we
don't
have
feedback
mechanisms
that
can
actually
let
us
hear
those
who
are
finding
it
hard
to
navigate
the
public
forum
approach
of
filing
issues.
That's
totally
fair.
B
Yep
that
makes
a
ton
of
sense.
So
in
this
soul-searching
maybe
I
put
a
link
in
the
chat
right,
so
the
way
that
chaos
structures,
its
metrics
is
under
a
goal,
question
metric
approach,
and
so
it's
a
it's,
not
our
approach.
It's
a
fairly
standard
approach
in
terms
of
just
kind
of
thinking
about
things.
B
C
So
could
he
share
screen
because
I'm
looking
at
a
page
that
has
a
table
under
communication
and
inclusivity
yeah
and
that
table
has
Oh
name
question:
okay,
yeah
yeah.
A
C
B
All
right,
well
I
got
there,
and
so
there
may
be
a
series
of
in
any
of
these
sets
of
questions
they're,
certainly
not
like
the
definitive
set
that
defines
communication
inclusivity.
This
is
just
the
working
group
thinking
about
ways
to
provide
more
insight
with
respect
to
communication
inclusivity
in
this
case
yeah,
and
it
may
be
more,
maybe
less
we're
always
just
trying
to
provide
more
transparency
on
whatever
it
is.
The
particular
goal
is
that
we're
aiming
at
I
mean.
C
B
B
You
can
see
that
these
aren't
built
out
yet,
but
this
is
them
the
actual
metric.
So
if
you
want
to
do
a
metric
with
respect
to
captioning-
and
we
haven't
built
it
out
yet,
but
this
is
how
we
would
propose
you
capture
that
data
so
that
you
can
understand
captioning
better
so
that
you
can
understand,
you
can
answer
that
question
that's
associated
with
captioning,
better
and
that
you
can
achieve
the
overall
goal,
which
is
communication
inclusivity.
So
one
one
question.
C
I'm
just
just
to
see
how
to
answer
the
part
like
how
can
we
help
one
another
right
yeah?
So
this
is
open
for
contribution
from
anyone
in
the
open-source
community,
of
course,
retweeting
or,
as
you
know,
anyone
in
the
community
in
general
becoming
an
open-source
contributor
when
they
join
this
effort.
Right,
yes,
Oh,
perfect
I'll
definitely
bring
this
back
to
sound.
Like
I'm
saying
the
initiative
I
mean
the
community
committee
is
definitely
supporting
our
efforts.
You
know
we
have
a
lot
of
things
happening
in
it
in
general,
and
this
is
fairly
the
smallest
young
initiative.
C
It's
not
dismissive
of
the
magnitude
that
every
person
who
is
in
passion
would
actually
feel
that
okay,
someone
is
able
to
help
me
put
my
voice
and
in
ways
that
other
people
can
read
and
understand,
and
it's
not
about
on
on
them
to
figure
out
how
to
communicate
in
the
language
of
the
convention
right
now.
Okay,
that's
that's
really
inspiring.
Thank
you.
I'm.
B
And
in
fact,
a
lot
of
the
calls
we
I
don't
know
what
you're
gonna
do
today
Georg,
but
in
a
lot
of
the
calls
I
mean
we
will
actually
work
together.
The
people
who
are
on
the
call
to
actually
help
build
the
framework.
So
it's
not
even
something
that
you
need
to
have
fully
worked
out,
but
the
preliminary
ideas
can
come
forward
and
we
can
just
do
the
work
and
say
a
Google
Doc
I
mean.
C
B
A
And
what
one
way
I,
also
like
to
think
of
this,
is
if
this
structure
makes
sense
to
you
and
your
efforts
that
we
work
on
these
together
and
if
you
want
to
advance
a
certain
area
and
certain
questions
and
metrics
that
you
want
to
have,
we
can
be
your
sounding
board.
We
can
help
think
through
it
and
then
you
can
use
it
and
we
can
maybe
even
add
it
to
the
set
of
metrics
that
we
have
in
chaos.
A
B
A
Apache
Software
Foundation
has
a
diversity
effort
and
they
want
to
assess
how
they
are
doing
right
now,
where
they
stand,
and
so
the
work
that
we
have
done
in
the
chaos
project
is
was
very
relevant
and
was
used
in
informing
the
survey
questions
and
had
she
also
hired
Peter
Chia
the
company
that
I
work
for
to
execute
the
survey
and
analyze
it,
and
so
that's
how
the
connection
came
to
be
or
that's
what
the
connection
is
right
now.
So
remember.
A
One
of
the
things
that
me
recommend
just
using
the
open
demographics
questions,
mm-hmm
that
Nikki
yep
put
together
and
so
those
are
being
used
and
as
a
way
to
standardize
the
demographic
questions.
Okay
and
I
I
haven't
looked
I,
don't
remember
all
of
the
questions
that
kind
of
translated
across,
but
yeah
ended
up
in
here.
Okay,.
B
D
A
B
B
A
There
are
two
more
components
to
the
research
effort
as
a
whole.
Okay,
one
is
in-depth
interviews
yep.
So
after
the
survey
is
complete,
we
will
take
those
results
back
to
the
community
and
go
over
them
in
detail
and
get
feedback
on
ideas
for
solutions
and
so
on.
Okay,
then,
the
third
part
is
taking
the
insights
from
the
survey
and
interview
to
explore
how
this
is
shown
in
the
collaboration
patterns
in
the
projects,
so
that
is
where
grimore
lab
comes
in
very
than
the
kind
of
actual
interaction
in
the
communities.
Okay,.
B
My
questions
is,
if
you
can't
tell
are
kind
of
chaos
serving
questions
like
they're
specific
to
that,
but
that's
helpful
what
you
just
described,
yeah
the
survey
itself
is
relying
on
some
chaos,
interaction
and
developing
the
survey.
There
sounds
like
there's
things
that
are
specific
to
Apache
or
ASF
that
they
care
about.
The
interviews
are
probably
I'm
guessing
to
dig
a
little
bit
deeper
on
some
of
the
survey
questions
and
reveal
insights.
B
B
B
Have
this
every
time
I
would
love
to
have
if
somebody's
putting
the
if
asf
is
putting
the
time
and
effort
to
develop
a
diversity
survey
that
is
meaningful
to
understand
DNI
related
issues
in
their
communities.
It
would
be
fantastic
if
that
survey
was
made
publicly
available
to
other
project.
Other
communities,
foundations,
conservancies
whatever
it
might
be,
so
they.
B
D
Then
OpenStack
one,
we
shared
that
on
that
I
think
it
was
a
Google
Doc
that
went
through
Twitter
mm-hmm.
B
A
A
B
I'm
gonna
then
I
also
asked
a
follow-up
question,
which
is
about
it's
again
about
transparency.
So
if
I
have,
if
Sergey
is
running
the
survey
which
I
have
zero
problem
with,
would
they
be
willing
to
share
kind
of
how
the
analysis
occurred,
because
that's
another
kind
of
complicated
it's
one
thing
to
to
post
a
survey
and
collect
data.
As
you
know,
then
it's
a
whole
other
thing
to
actually
do
the
process
of
analysis.
So
any
transparency
on
that
would
be
extremely
helpful
as
well.
C
Could
I
also
mentioned
that
in
our
soul-searching
you
know
the
wisdom
was
I,
know
at
least
one
side
of
many
many
different
sites
that
we
don't
know
about,
and
so,
as
as
a
first
step
for
the
initiative,
they're
all
telling
us
just
open
the
PR
already
but
like
we
didn't
write
anything,
we
need
a
survey,
and
so
we
have
an
annual
nodejs
survey
and
it
was
like
okay.
C
If
you
get
something
by
the
end
the
week
you
know
we
can
put
in
so
so
we
put
together
a
set
of
gate,
gateway,
questions
to
just
gear
ourselves
to
actually
be
hung
rolling
surveys
targeting
proper
sentence
because
likely
the
sample
of
the
annual
survey
is
not
necessarily
going
to
be
people
who,
who
you
know,
do
not
necessarily
open
issues
and
repose.
So
so
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
you
know
it's.
It's
really
amazing
that
I
have
the
link
of
all
these
surveys,
and
you
know
now
we
can
borrow
some.
C
You
know
open
contribution,
it's
fair,
but
also
I
wanted
to
drop
the
link
to
our
draft,
which
is
now
upstream
for
translation
and
other
things
and
I'll.
Just
put
it
in
the
chat
prompt,
these
are,
like
you
know,
are
just
our
best
effort
to
get
a
survey
like
a
few
questions
and
survey
that
is
big
already
and,
and
not
necessarily
our
best
record
to
like
comprehensive
survey
that
answers
the
questions
just
generally
points
us
in
the
direction
of
you
all
input
is
greatly
appreciated.
Great.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
All.
C
Yet
yeah
see
it's
it's
the
first
time
people
will
see
questions
like
that.
We
want
to
you,
don't
want
it
to
come
as
a
oh.
No
did
I
go
in
the
wrong
survey
somewhere.
You
know,
like
you,
want
them
to
be
just
okay
flow.
There
are
three
more
questions
that
were
you
they'll
get
better,
you
know,
but
they're
very
casual
with
you
know
my
opinion,
so
no,
no,
not
necessarily
metrics
out
building
at
this
point.
A
C
So
are
you
routinely
affected
in
any
of
the
following?
Let's
put
it
this
way
any
of
the
following
capacities.
Much
about
what
is
the
right
terminology,
you
know
the
PC
terminology
or
the
same
terminology,
so
we're
taking
this
you.
Obviously
there
are
these
things
that
wording
mistakes
that
you
need
to
do,
but
we're
taking
this
plus
yeah,
saying
okay,
where
these
from
which
areas
you
know
of
functionality.
C
Are
you
finding
it
are
you
finding
that
you
are
effective
and
and-
and
here
we're
just
trying
to
see
the
composition
of
you
know
like,
like
the
divine
basically
like
which
which
areas
do
people
have
more
struggle
with
in
general?
And
if
you
find
that
most
people
don't
have
anything,
then
we're
saying?
Okay,
we
don't
let
me
write
that
recipe.
You
know
so
so
it's
kind
of
like
a
question
that
can
lead
to
many
negative
aspects,
but
now
it's
turned
upon
data
at
this
point,
so
yeah.
So,
oh
definitely
yeah.
That's
a
really
good
suggestion.
C
C
A
So
that's
really
good
thanks
for
sharing
one.
So
one
of
the
things
we
could
look
into
maybe
for
next
time
is
how
we
can
take
the
questions
that
you
have
formulated
and
fit
them
into
the
chaos
structure,
so
that
we
can,
because
these
are
questions
that
we
currently
don't
have
fleshed
out.
So
that's
where
your
work
is
right
now
my
work
very
interesting,
yeah.
C
A
A
B
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
B
Basically,
just
like
I
just
put
a
thing
in
the
chat
just
so
people
know
basically
when
we're
developing
a
new.
So
this
is
under
the
focus
area
of
event,
event,
diversity
and
we
have
attendee
demographics
and
speaker
demographics
as
important
metrics
to
help
gain
clarity,
an
event
diversity.
Typically,
we
work
in
a
Google
Doc,
first
or
some
sort
of
shared
document.
B
D
B
D
B
No,
that's
fair
and
I
think
a
lot
of
these,
like
the
the
implementation
and
date
like
data
collection
strategies
like
I,
totally
agree.
Sometimes
it's
just
it's
not
possible,
perhaps
in
some
sort
cases
or
I
think
in
other
cases,
the
cost
of
doing
that
work
might
away
the
value
derived
from
actually
doing
the
work.
So,
although
we're
trying
to
do
in
these
is
saying
these
are
possible
approaches
that
you
could
take
okay,.
B
D
B
Know
it's
usually
on
registration
that
you
have
the
best
the
best
opportunity
yeah
so
again,
just
just
in
terms
of
the
sample
the
data
collection
strategies.
These
are
ways
that
you
might
be
able
to
to
answer
that
question
associated
with
this
metric.
Okay,
in
all
of
these
cases,
just
as
you
know,
I
wish,
we
could
just
say
push
this
button.
A
B
A
A
So
that's
the
first
thing
we
can
do
so
for
the
rest
of
the
session.
I
propose
that
we
just
make
it
a
working
session
where
we
work
on
this
metric
and,
if
you're
interested
in
seeing
how
we
work
is
join
us.
If
you
have
things
to
do,
then
that's
fine,
if
you
have
any
questions,
feel
free
to
interrupt
at
any
time.
When
ask
us
yeah.
C
C
B
A
List
of
demographics
we
have
is
that
the
Nikki?
No,
this
is
our
own.
So
if
you're
gonna
put
it
in
the
chat,
we
have
a
list
of
demographics
dimensions
of
demographics,
okay,
like
gender
identity,
sexual
orientation,
age,
location,
socioeconomic
status,
ten-year
race,
first,
language,
confidence
in
English,
disability,
caregiver
and
so
on.
I.
B
B
B
D
B
B
B
A
A
A
A
A
B
A
B
That's
a
good
conversation,
but
so
basically
just
so
everybody
knows
the
this
conversation
is
about
how
much
in
the
chaos
project,
how
far
out
we
can
go,
how
to
what
degree
can
we
express
things
and
so,
for
example,
it's
difficult
for
us
to
and
we're
very
agnostic
on
our
metrics
by
default.
So
it's
difficult
for
us
to
say
that
this
is
a
good
or
a
bad
thing,
because
that
starts
in
this
starts
bringing
value
judgment
from
the
project
which
we
don't
want
to
do,
because
in
certain
cases
it
might
something
might
be
good.
C
B
B
B
A
C
A
possible
approach
we
can
take
can
I
just
mention
that
it's
very,
very
important
to
back
what
you
believe
is
quantitative
numbers
that
nobody
can
argue
with
with
qualitative
numbers
of
reception.
I
studied
color
signs
of
it,
and
you
know
until
today
we
don't
really
know
how
much
plus
or
minus
two
colors
are
different,
and
there
are
too
many
ways
too
many
formulas
that
give
you
a
number
and
but
but
you
know,
the
qualitative
visual
backing
shows
that
every
map
that
has
really
bad
areas.
C
C
Dedicating
a
time
for
the
survey
that
gets
you
the
best
form
of
qualitative
feedback
as
opposed
to
maybe
letting
it
because
splitting
might
not
give
you
the
complete
picture
like
people
who
take
the
first
round
my
topic
second
round
or
you
know,
so
so
don't
don't
span
it
onto
at
the
registration.
In
other
point,
I
don't
have
here's
a
snapshot
at
least
that's
working,
colors.
C
D
C
B
Fair
toy
bear
I,
think
Eric's.
Shutting
it
down.
I
put
a
note
in
there
too.
We'll
have
to
pick
this
up.
We
are
at
the
end
of
the
hour,
so
you
know
if
you,
if
anybody
is
so
inclined,
this
document
will
be
open
forever.
You
are
more
than
welcome
to
make
comments
or
additions
here,
Gary
I'm,
guessing
we'll
just
pick
this
up
also
next
week.
Yes,.