CHAOSS DEI Working Group, 9 Aug 2023

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Meeting minutes are here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MzDk84BL7FfHDxbFxJz39M72V2Hfc5Y6oCPhOl6woxo/edit#heading=h.4kp7zlje5ggg

A

Hey everybody: it's August, 9th Wednesday and you're here at the chaos, Community Dei working group, diversity, equity and inclusion, working group, um just a quick reminder for everybody. This is part of the chaos code of conduct. So please keep that in mind. As you interact here with us, you um are welcome to keep your cameras off put them on whatever you want. We're easy here. um You're welcome to chat with us on the side or if you have the floating box, which I learned not everybody has chat on the side of their Zoom window.

A

Sometimes it's floating I, don't know why um that was new news to me. So, wherever your chat is, you can uh just interact with us there. If you like and yeah I'm, really happy to see everybody I hope everyone's having a good day.

A

I'm gonna share here.

B

I just mention it yet I do have a Moodle update when we get to that.

A

Okay, I'm just gonna drop it in here.

A

Okay, cool, um if you've not added your name here to the agenda, please feel free to do so if you like, you don't have to and if you don't want to, but thank you I'm doing better this day than I was this time last week, I think I was feeling very.

C

Stressed last week, so I felt better. Today, it's good.

A

Finally, I was able to sleep, I think, that's the that's the key.

D

Is so exhausted.

A

That you have to sleep yeah, that's.

C

A

um Okay, let's jump right into it. I did not put this on here, so someone else did and I would love for that person to take the reins.

E

This is a conversation that we've kind of been having about updating the dei.md file to include a little bit more with respect to project access, at least for now.

E

um Just as one of the four metrics in the dei.md file, I think the the um the thought was was that the suggested ways the projects could talk about the different metrics in the dei.md file, those those the suggestions that we provided were kind of chaos-centric suggestions, which is not surprising because they were yes, they were written in the chaos project, so um so I think Daniel.

E

You had provided some additional feedback here and that's what this is and so I'm just bringing it to the group here to show what those one through five could be.

F

uh The ones I had were for the inclusive leadership. um Well, they were, category can I, add those to to the agenda or yeah link to the discussion. All right I'll do both.

G

F

I'm gonna just straight up, add this issue because anyone that's not familiar could I'm trying to get out of the screen share now um right.

A

Is that better? Do you want to do you want to share.

F

um I'm good, no sorry, I had multiple screens going and I got stuck, um but I'm gonna, just taste from.

F

I'm, just gonna start for the bottom here, just start it up.

F

um This is the gitlab issue on collaboration for the Dei file in case anyone doesn't have that and then I'm going to add in specifically and Matt and I we're kind of going back into sports on um this I think I'm just going to do the latest version that Matt had for inclusive leadership and paste that, in.

F

I'll just do it like.

F

Someone who's better at Google. Docs can also help me with formatting if it's a mess, but um that's.

C

Good enough I.

F

Think you'll get the gist, and that was um things that were added in addition um and I think that's actually inclusive of everything we had was originally in there plus. What was being suggested to add for that category.

E

So again, these are like Daniel I was just going to say these are. um These are just as a reminder for people just suggestions on ways that projects could report how they're attending to the different metrics, so they're, not requirements.

F

Yeah I think that's one of the questions I have is like. How will like will will a project be aware of this as a suggestion and not a requirement like? Is that going to be clear, um maybe in the wording of the of the template file just so that.

E

It's like very clear, I I, think it's clear, I think it's clear, but we could really ensure that it's clear in the dei.md file I mean we have like a sentence of the balls possibilities you can do. This infections include.

E

The only reason we added them is for a while. We just had the beer.md file with the list of the four metrics and it just looked kind of sparse, like it I think people would kind of look at this and be like now. What do I do, and so that's why they were included.

F

And then my next question would be um I know. You mentioned the um the burnout as another possible like next iteration for an X metric.

F

um Are you looking for feedback and like new suggestions for specifically for Burnout or for any of the existing four like? What should my focus area be on for working on next yeah.

E

I think maybe the the discussion would be. What are the next two metrics? We would like to include in in the silver level badging, and the only reason that I had mentioned burnout I. Think in that, and that thread was that.

E

um Was that it was originally a metric that we were using in the bronze badging, but it ended up getting moved like just kind of pushed back and I think the pushback was to Silver level. So.

B

It was kind of hard to measure in France a little too early in the game. I think that we thought.

E

Yeah I think you're, right and so I guess. The question would be as we move to the silver level. What might those be? What might those two metrics be and then from there once we land on burnout, then I think we would come up with you know what are suggestions as ways kind of that suggested list that we've been doing here.

B

And one of the considerations- it's a maybe at the silver level, maybe at Gold- is there there needs to be some Metric. That shows evidence. The Project's engagement with contributors is growing, so you can't really claim to be increasing or advancing your Project's first year. Equity inclusion of the same three people continue to be the only contributors, at least that that would be the that seems to me that's the sort of face validity.

B

It's a face validity thing like how can you be getting more diverse with the same three people.

F

A question for you Sean: is that for that metric? Is that just um like a metric for engagement of contributors like total contributors to a project, or is there a breakdown of demographics? For that as well or? How is that approached.

B

Bro so I think I think some kind of breakdown of demographics is appropriate at some level, but I think it's like uh you, don't even need to go into the demographic Graphics. If it's the same three people like you, don't need to go that far um but as as contributors grow.

B

If we, if we see growth, then it might be gold or platinum I, that's a discussion that we need to have about, but when we actually look for diversity in the contributor community and some sort of specific way, or at least have the ask the maintainers who submit the dei.md to talk about it.

A

I will say in the event badging we don't. We don't require a specific level of diversity or anything like that. We just ask the uh that organizers how they're attending to it so.

G

I would imagine that we would.

A

Take the same approach um where we're not going to require any kind of numbers, but we're just going to ask how they're measuring how they're attending to it, how they think about demographics, how they, how they um Center it in their project. Yeah.

B

Upon further review, I I agree with that. We don't want to become the evaluator yeah.

B

We want to become the encourager of practices that increase diversity, equity and inclusion.

F

Yeah, that's kind of been my Approach, too, and um and on one side of like not only the the demographics not being the number focus, at least for git lab, because um we want to make sure it's actually improving the experience for contributors, not just the numbers um and then another part of it too, is like any. How do you actually survey demographics or get a number um and like there's some legal issues there too, with any like questions being asked for your community contributors?

F

So that's kind of what's my one of my questions here was: would that be a requirement for like having a breakdown or is it just seeing those numbers and what is it? What is a project doing to try to increase diversity efforts.

B

Yeah yeah I'm aligned with that.

A

Yeah, because this is really about um a Project's self-reflection and you know them answering questions that maybe they've not asked themselves before so really, you know thinking about those things and and um I think also too just as an aside I think as we go, and um you know more and more projects think about this dei.md file being able to see what other projects are doing. I think will be super helpful for the whole community. So um I'm not sure like this is a totally separate conversation.

A

Sorry I digress, but I feel like there's some space there for us, whoever I don't have any chaos necessarily, but um for someone to maybe aggregate or or you know, look at those different things that people are doing and um maybe analyze what's more effective or I, don't know, but I think that that is a is going to be a side benefit to this whole thing is that people are going to be able to see what other projects are.

A

That's totally unrelated, sorry, we're talking about I, know but um yeah. It just made me think of that.

F

That that's a great point and the way I've been thinking about it is rather than just focusing on like the template file as, like you know, like a framework um I'd be most interested in seeing what actual projects have as their file. Because to me it's like the real world examples yeah, um you know once the number of projects have those to then sort of like look at a spectrum of of those and see like what is finding out what's working and what's not and what other projects are trying.

F

So I'm really interested in that yeah.

A

Because we've seen that in our Dei event, badging because everything's all those issues are all open, anybody can see so anybody who's running an event can go and see what like, what is the Linux Foundation project or events, and what are they doing about XYZ? Or what are you know these other folks doing about XYZ? So it's it's really interesting to see that um you know.

A

Not only is it helping the projects think about or the events think about what they're doing, but also it gives a resource for others who are maybe wondering what they can do to to do better. So.

A

Okay, we do have other stuff.

B

A

I didn't mean to cut you off, whoever that was go.

D

For it, okay, sorry that was really so um I think the Quorum process we are using I think. Maybe how that would work is we do have like a page. You know where we list all the projects that we are batched I, don't know if you're still going to retain that page I mean for project pattern.

D

So if that page is um that page can be somewhere where people can see how like the projects that have been badged- and you know how they are describing those documents but I, think the the process, for you know, event budging um since the processor event, budget and project patient is different, it doesn't make it you know, do we do we?

D

um It says on like events budget, so maybe that page can serve as something that people can go and look at to see the projects that have been badged and you know how they are describing this document or how they are setting things up.

A

Yes, my understanding that there will be that page and that serves as that source of Truth or um who has received a badge, at least at the beginning until it gets unwieldy. But I think that that was the. That was the idea. So yeah agreed.

F

One more quick question on this: if that's okay,.

F

um Is there any like a live example of a project that has been awarded a badge yet and like a live badge appearing on their project like on GitHub.

A

Not yet we have, we are super early in that pilot process, so we're actually looking for projects who want to go through the process. We've talked to I know one project um that is working on their dei.md file, but they haven't finalized it. Yet to my knowledge, um so.

F

A

Super early in the process.

F

uh And the reason I ask is because I want to start coordinating with Git, Labs, um ux and product teams about like what a badge would look like on like like actually look like, and if you had an example, yet um just like a mock-up to show. um This is just something I'm, starting to think about, for when we get there.

D

Oh yeah, we have like a graphic. Do you mean like a graphic example of the badge.

F

Oh yeah, like a graphic example and then like where on a project page, uh would it actually appear like um like visually on on the page.

D

Yeah um we I can share the graphic example to you on slack um but like on where it will appear we're talking about people showcasing on like their readme project, showcase and Thunder with me. um Well, for the badge like we I can share the graphic. Are you on the slack icon, yeah.

H

Yeah I'm on there, okay, yeah.

A

And I think Daniel we're not really telling people where it goes. I.

B

A

Just giving them the code to put in and then they can put it wherever they want I think right is that right: okay, thanks Matt yeah.

E

It's kind of like the event badge.

C

E

Just think here is the awarded badge place it where you need so or, and so that's where we're at right now, but I mean we could have more discussion on being consistent, like being more specific on where we tell people we just haven't. Had that conversation at the moment.

F

Gotcha, so it's more like a badge in their file that they're displaying. um Is that what you mean? Okay,.

E

G

F

Timeout, for with gitlab of like actually making the badge like appear in the software, so that any project could have that kind of display for their for their project.

E

Yeah we have not had that discussion.

F

A

Okay, well, we do have other stuff to talk about. um Are we? Are we good on Project badging? For now, do we yeah.

E

This is helpful, I think I mean the only thing for me is um I really appreciated the feedback. If you're it was on inclusive leadership, just on how we can make that less chaos Centric, and if people have additional comments on the three other metrics that could become less chaos-centric um that'd be great I'd. You know all the all advice is welcome. Advice.

F

Yeah I'll get back to you Matt um soon, with the other, the other three and I'll focus on bronze. First, before moving on to burnout, then yeah.

E

Yeah exactly that'd be super helpful.

A

Awesome thanks everybody.

A

Okay, let's go on um just a reminder. We do have tickets for all things open that we've been awarded um to.

D

A

So we have several so if anybody here is interested in going um yeah, just let me know, um then I will be happy to hook you up with that. um It does not include travel, is the only thing so you would have to get to Raleigh by yourself, um but if we do happen to run out, we can still get tickets at 99.

A

um It's a really good conference, a plus recommend if you've never been and you're able to go highly, recommend.

G

A

Would just ask if you are gonna take advantage of one of the chaos um badges that you help us out by Staffing the chaos booth at some point during the conference yeah.

I

A

Would be great.

A

um Matt, you did express interest, but I don't know if that was confirmed. Oh.

E

Yeah I plan on going okay.

A

I, remember remember: to get you a.

A

Okay, I think I still need to register too actually I, don't think and also registered for yourself, because I don't think I registered, yet um so yeah. Anybody else want to um attend. Just let me know.

A

uh This was an action item I had from last week just wanted to let everybody know our repo looks pretty good. Now um we just have these two things which are actively being worked on and all the pull requests are clear, so we're good.

A

So I did my job yay. It's so rare.

G

That I actually.

A

Do my action item it makes me really happy when I do um yeah, so the next one is. um uh We have a new Badger orientation if you are interested in being one of our Dei event.

G

A

um You can attend this meeting on August 17th it. You do not have to know anything about chaos. You do not have to know anything about our metrics or even our badging, our badging efforts. You basically can just comment off the street and attend this meeting and, by the end, you'll be ready to be one of our Dei event.

A

Badgers, and these people are the ones that look through those applications and manually double check to make sure that the event organizers are in fact doing the things that they say they're doing, or at least they have it posted on their website. We can't really know that they are in fact doing the things, but we can verify that they, um then the information matches what they're telling us.

A

So um it's a great way if you're new to chaos, it's a great way to start contributing and again you don't have to really know much about chaos to join you actually don't even you're, not even committing to anything. Once you go to this meeting, you don't have to register, you can just show up and um and then at the end of the meeting you can decide if you want to be a badger um or not. That's also completely valid. If you just want to learn more about the project, then that's also a.

C

A

Can do that so show up here on this Zoom link on August 17th at 9am, so West Africa.

C

Time any questions about that.

D

F

Actually, uh one question for you um for the event: badging: is that just for in-person events, or does it cover virtual events as well virtual.

A

Also yeah, they just have to be about open source Technologies or have that as one of the components that's really and they have to have a code of conduct. I think those are our two um just requirements. Really that could be any size. It could be any anywhere anytime.

A

H

Yeah and we do have different.

A

Metrics for virtual versus.

H

C

A

Some of them overlap, obviously, but there are specific things are for each kind of event. So if you do anybody wants to be added to that, invite just so they don't forget. Just let me know I'm happy to do that too, but.

E

But Daniel will make a comment too, on the application for the events. It's meant to be a because it's it all occurs in an issue. That's publicly available. It's meant to be constructive and supportive. So it's not like you just apply and then you get a badge or you don't get a badge. It's like um working with event.

E

Organizers, you know like have you thought about, including um these questions in your registration and then the event organizers can go back and include the questions whatever they must say around demographics in their registration and then come back to the issue. You see what I'm saying and try to improve the event through the application process.

F

Got it thanks? That's helpful.

A

Any other questions about.

A

Monsters anyway, not the best, the badger, Badgers, the little animals, because I couldn't answer those. But we.

C

A

It together, what's.

E

That Matt Don can I answer questions about badgers yeah.

B

Yeah I can answer it. Yeah we're the uh greatest football team in the now. What is it? 16 team, Big, Ten.

A

Is that your University? Are you the Badgers Sean yeah.

B

The University of Wisconsin I know mizzou's the Tigers we're in the SEC, but my undergrad's from Wisconsin and I. Don't know if anybody saw the news last week, total sidebar, but the Pac-12 completely folded and a bunch of two teams moved to the Big Ten.

B

Two teams move to the Big 12 three teams with the big 12 yeah. It's uh college football debacle. Right now, but yes, Badgers go Badgers the Big Ten. Now the big 16.

A

I can just show people videos of the Badgers that hang out in my.

B

Backyard at night: that's that's.

D

B

I can contribute yeah. Okay, the actual animal is a pretty mean ground dwelling creature. It.

A

Is shy? We bother us, it's all good.

A

They are pretty pretty I will say like.

B

A

B

Out they sniffle around eat insects, shooting to try to give him a hug I would.

A

Hug yeah I would hug one because they know I'm a friend, so yeah.

B

You are a friend of the animals.

A

I am yes, okay, um so let's move on to the onboarding course um before you give your update, Sean I just was wondering if we have any project managers on the call or maybe off the call that we can ask for that, can help us just kind of organize this and get it get it going. I know we have project managers here at chaos that are looking for ways to contribute and I feel like. This is the perfect example that can just kind of help us you know get a plan in place.

A

Get us organized, get us get us going so I, don't know. If there's anybody on the call that would like to do that. Has that experience.

H

H

A

Oh, is that Mary blessing talking.

C

Or is that yeah I can't say it's no very blessing.

A

um I I, don't know, I, don't know what that role would be like I think um we have a lot of ideas and we have a doc and kind of where we are so we I was just looking for. Maybe if someone wanted to help us figure out how we build this out, how we build you know, build the teams out. um Just to help us get organized I think would be great.

H

So what I was asking is because I know I have spoken to a few persons about three of them doing the talk guide experience so under your project managers and we're not really sure how to get started. So I was hoping to maybe reach out to them and explain more in details what they would be doing. So that sounds like what I asked.

A

Yeah I think um I would I would kind of rely on them to tell us what uh what we need to be doing and how we need to organize this. If that makes sense, uh Henrietta go for it and then you go we'll get to you because I know you had your hand up too.

I

Hello, can you hear me yeah sure yeah, so um I would like to join the group and I've I've been involved in different program projects. We were not necessarily called project managers, but at least we brought it to protection and I'm willing to learn on the way. If there's something you have to um learn to be able to do this, so I like to volunteer to join.

A

That's not that right, yeah, okay, um awesome, yes, A Plus,.

A

You don't you also had your hand up. Did you have a comment.

G

Yes, I I volunteered to join a product manager to project.

A

Thank you. Thank you and.

H

Mary blessing.

A

um You said you have three folks that have project management experience that are looking for contributions did I understand you properly.

A

Do you want to include them in this.

H

uh I'm just going to I can't recall their names now, but I know I've had a chance with them on slacks I'm just going to.

A

I'll, just put um you have other suggestions for chaotics, so I was thinking. Maybe if we did have one or more project managers, we could do like a small meeting, so just kind of figure out what the next steps are.

A

If we have like action plans, you know how we want to how we want to proceed with it in an organized way, so that when people, because we I feel like we're going to have a lot of folks who want to help us build this out and I, think that I want to make sure that it's organized and we can send them to the right place and have a a good path for them. Yeah Matt go for it.

E

Yeah, so is this: is this about how to like construct the content, for the course is that what you're thinking here and is this the onboarding course like for people who are new to open source just broadly looking to join open source.

A

My head I should.

A

I should content, it could be both I, don't know, I, don't know, I feel like we would need. We need someone to help us kind of own this and sort it all out, so that we're not just like like randomly working on things and not coordinating together. If that makes sense, like I, know, Sean you're working on the Moodle stuff, but at some point somebody's gonna have to be the one to like, run it and maintain it and know.

H

C

On, hopefully, there'll be a.

A

Team under that, for that and.

C

A

Just want to make sure that we have a group of folks that are helping coordinate.

C

All of the efforts.

B

Kind of what I, what I have in mind for that is, if we establish how we want it organized and how do we want to present classes, then adding classes and putting them in categories becomes a a straightforward one class at a time effort and, and so the it's really an administration of the content of the Course. Once we have clarity about how we want to organize and present it that that's that design decision, those design decisions will will help to achieve our goals.

A

B

Makes sense so so there's there's work, but um presumably the work is let I believe the work will be less. The work of creating individual courses will be more than the work of maintaining the website. The work of maintaining the course site will be less than maintaining the website. If that makes sense. Yes,.

A

Yes, um yes, it does make sense and I'm also thinking that these folks will help us keep on track. I said that we continue to make forward movement because sometimes I know projects like they just get kind of stuck because people come and go, and so I want this to not be something that um you know.

I

A

I guess so, if we have folks that are kind of managing the project and can just kind of like keep it rolling, keep it moving, keep it on plan and help us figure out the plan.

C

A

Really great um Henrietta go for it.

I

And yeah I I think here most of what's Sean said, but to the lots of parts I think that I I do agree and for those of us who are volunteering or that will be gender projects managers if Sean is not done with his work, it will be great if we kind of collaborate with him, because it's I feel it's better. You can better manage something.

I

You know um you have a fair idea of how it was created and what it was meant for, so maybe, rather than I, don't know if the project managers are going to be separate, um a separate group from what Sean is doing, but it would be great if we um kind of like collaborate with him, since um he would know much better about um the entire course on module.

B

Yeah, so you try so the work that I'm doing where I view. It is um beginning to create ways that we might present the course and identifying constraints in the platform and essentially effectively giving the group something to talk about and I, don't want to say hate, but um let the way that it's organized evolve from discussion. Where we look at a beginning and then we talk about what else we want to be want to be there. It's easier than working from a blank slate.

B

And was I addressing a completely different point than you were making risk, because I feel like I might have been.

I

It's not it's not totally out of place. I was just and seeing that, if like what you're saying about it will be um more difficult, putting up the individual courses than managing the entire thing, so I feel like if we are Maybe more involved in just not not just the management, but maybe not necessarily, we have to create but part of the creation. We might have a better idea of its functionality and then better manage it. I, don't know if you get what I mean.

B

Yes, yeah I I do I, I, guess I.

H

Understand the.

B

B

And I agree: I agree that there is a distinction managing it is uh there's the original sort of setting up the design piece, there's managing the addition of courses so that it's coherent and then, of course, there's the work of developing the courses and those are I, think three distinct activities that require management of some degree.

A

Okay, you guys you were next with your hand, up.

G

Okay, um so I just wanted to say that I do agree with hereta and also the last part of what Sean just said.

G

um You know so with project management, there's a lot of things that there's a lot of different branches and stuff and to ensure that you know things keep on going for the long term, because it's long term, you know it's something that we're trying to do for long term.

G

um We I think that it's best that we we get. You know an idea of the foundational part of it so that if issues come up, if there are questions, of course, where the project managers, who were the go-to people, you know the people would always ask questions and stuff like that. So I I think that it will be a nice idea if we're able to um participate- or you know understand you know what Sean is working on. So you have a code. So, yes,.

B

Yeah I'm gonna, I, I I, have a I mean I, have a there's, some very, very beginning stage, design decisions and questions that I have so then, in my intent, my this is we're just going to iterate on these ideas. Each time that we uh meet here, hopefully not spending a ton of Time Each time, but.

A

Okay, Matt you're next.

A

E

I did the hand, but not the mute I'd like to say thanks to Henrietta Yee and merry blessing for being willing to take. This on. um I did put a few things just in that list there. That might be helpful to organize thoughts just in terms of like what management might be here.

E

I also just wanted to point out that we have um a couple um chaos, Community leads and the Balkans and in Latin America, along with Ruth in Africa, who are also working in this space, a little bit as well thinking about courses, at least from a Content perspective that might be useful in their specific regions. So I just wanted to put that on your put that in front of you.

A

Yeah and just to clarify I'm not asking for folks to actually do all these things. It's just like helping us get.

C

Organized and making like a big action plan of what it needs to be done, so that we can easily include volunteers. Okay, I just want to make that clear to them too.

A

Right like it's like, let's.

C

Just get up like help us get a plan together so that um that we can help bring people in to build it together. This.

E

Is good because I don't think we've talked about this like what are the? What are all the parts right.

A

There's a lot yeah.

A

And so and I know that we have you know, project managers here with all this experience and expertise and they're looking for things. So it's like. Yes, please help us um you're. Oh sorry, Matt were you done sorry.

G

A

Ruth you're next go for it. I.

D

Was just going to say um this for Henrietta there's like a education stock channel to you know, because I think Sean also puts like updates on the work on Moodle to return all collaborates on the you know, give updates and maybe another meeting um so yeah you can join the education section. I just wanted to point that out.

H

B

Yeah I I I I wanted to I have a couple questions. I I can't have one significant question um for this meeting and then we can then I can go from there and start sharing different ways of arranging Moodle.

A

uh What is that question.

B

If, if I can share my screen.

C

B

Quickly um so with the hosted Moodle uh version when you first, this is this is something that I I don't like it. But it might just be me with this with the Moodle Cloud. The for the landing page is always a login page, so you don't get any information about the courses or what's on the site until you create an account login, so I don't like that, but maybe it's not.

B

It may not be a deal killer, but I I thought it was a big enough difference from what I expected that uh I wanted to to bring that limitation to the group, because certainly there are other Moodle hosters out there.

B

um I did look into hosting our own and it's it's a bit of a I think we would have difficulty there'd be a whole other project management just trying to keep our own site up. Yeah.

D

B

Don't think we have the bandwidth to do no.

C

B

You know kind of I guess take some time to think about. Are we? Are we okay with this?

B

um Perhaps the link is something that we contextualize uh on the chaos website, so that all of the things about this are explained there and then, if they want to join a course, they come here and they have the context, but if they we I, don't think we want to send people straight here if this is what we, if this is the platform that we use, because this tells them basically nothing.

A

Yeah we could just have a landing page that we would send people to first and then say: okay,.

C

To join click here, okay,.

A

Very simple: yeah: okay,.

B

And uh with that in mind, then so, once you log in I am Matt German prey.

E

Just inter is this for development or taking a course. This.

B

Is for taking a course, this is like for a user to sign up so.

E

They, and so, if you wanted to take a course, even though they're free, you would still have to create an account except that.

B

Is correct and to some extent that makes sense, because you'd want to be able to track your own courses that you've taken.

E

Yeah I was just curious as to how it worked.

B

E

We wouldn't just have a universal login password. We would ask for people to create their own.

B

Yeah and and I have to figure out I have to cut that part up, but I'm lost I'm logged in as Matt right now, Matt created this uh moodlecloud account and there's there's a lot of ways that you can organize things once the user logs in and the way I organized it I call. This name is subject to um discussion.

B

I call the chaos open source Center for Learning, um and we have one course that's been created uh and and I thought that listing your courses would be the most important thing to see at the top. But the other possibilities is, we could have site news. We could have course categories. We could have a listing available of available courses um and I think one way.

B

One way to do it is sort of if, if it wasn't, my courses, which sort of assumes that you've already signed up for one and, of course the at first users wouldn't have- we might put the course categories at the top, and then that would guide people to options and categories that we create.

B

um That's limiting, though, as we learned with the with knowledge management system, because what we think are the categories aren't always what other people think are the categories um there's also, if I gotta figure out how to uh somewhere there's a search and maybe I thought I configured. uh The search hang on.

A

And just to be clear, I don't think we need to solve everything. Yeah.

B

Yeah I: don't need to do this with you, but.

A

Like I feel like yeah yeah right.

B

That was that was dumb to jump into the adventure.

A

You're fine you're, fine, but.

B

There's a yeah there's so there's also a way to put a course search at the top and the available courses at the top, um and they could be listed like that. So that might be a better way to introduce people um site news is could be things that we do to promote stuff.

B

So it's um I would say that uh available courses or my courses are probably the thing we want at the top of what's logged in and I can I can I will flesh this out a bit more for next week and then put a I'll figure out how to make it so that people can log in because uh I don't know if you noticed, but there there is no way for me to create an account on this landing page yeah.

A

How do people create an account well.

B

There's I'm sure I just have to figure out how to connect where that configuration item is so I'm, not I'm, not sweating, that that seems like a pretty basic function. So, um okay.

A

B

Worries yeah so I, just uh that's what and so I as I make modifications to the basic ideas and site designs. I can post them either as screenshots with different options or links to try out and and folks can provide comments, and we can kind of get the site organized that way so that it, you know, is presenting our courses the way that we want it to okay, fair enough, fair enough. That's all I got that that's what I I wanted to bring to everyone's attention at this early stage. That's.

C

Good thanks Sean for your work. There.

B

A

um We we have other things on the agenda, but we're out of time. So uh let me just wait. Let me just make sure there's nothing. Super urgent, I.

E

Think in one minute you could give the weekly update, cast weekly update yeah.

A

We're moving a monthly.

A

Because, honestly, every week is getting a lot um yeah.

C

A

Week, chaotic of the week and I will still post meeting summaries to slack as I do in each channel. So um so I think people do I, don't know I, don't think I'm, gonna, post them in discourse, anymore, I, don't know it's a lot um and also this. uh We are just gonna, be talking about that in community next week.

A

That was brought up this yesterday and we didn't have time to talk about it, but Zoom has been making changes to their um policies and it's they're, not great so um yeah we're just gonna be talking about what we want to do as a community.

B

There are other choices there.

A

Are other choices? Oh Daniel, you have your hand up.

F

uh Just on the move from weekly to monthly is that for this Dei group, as well or.

A

Just yeah: no, it's just a newsletter that I send out every week and we've been doing it that way for years, and it's just like I, don't know it's time to change it up a little bit, I think so yeah. But this this meeting. um What I'll do in the working group is just summarize what we talked about today, high level and then I linked to the recording and I link to the minutes and I put that in every working group. So that and usually those go in the newsletter also.

A

So that will still happen in slack um and we do a chaotic of the week where we highlight someone in our community and just talk about them a little bit and celebrate them and thank them for their contributions. So those will still happen weekly as well, but all.

C

The other stuff's.

A

Just going to be locked.

C

Together and monthly so.

H

A

You're welcome.

A

um This part I guess we'll have to wait till next time and talk about the Liaisons. We can wait. Let's do.

E

The only thing about the liaison- it's just that they we may be doing some metrics development work from Liaisons here from the context working groups- it's just that's all I wanted to say: okay, so I'm not gonna. Do that yeah.

G

A

Thanks everybody great.

H

G

H

G

See everyone have.

H

A

B

They saw the Moodle design and just went oh yeah.