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A
All
right
we're
not
ready.
Welcome
to
the
evolution
meeting.
May
26th
2021
we've
just
reviewed
some
metrics
that
are
going
to
be
released.
A
C
A
I
see
yeah
ready
is
probably
okay.
I
didn't
really
is
that
a
new
status,
maybe
okay,
I
don't
remember
having
made
anything
ready
before
so.
B
A
A
B
A
It
became
pretty
meaningless,
living
perpetually
in
orange,
okay,
so
moving
on,
we
can,
I
think,
we've
changed
request
commits
is
actually
that's
the
one
we
just
talked
about.
Isn't
it
and.
B
A
Well,
since
matthew's
here
one,
I
I'll
take
an
action
item
to
draft.
A
A
Were
we
gonna
at
this
vague
recollection
that
we
decided
to
merge
individual
and
organizational
contribution?
Credit
metrics,
yes
to
just
contribution
credit?
Yes,
okay,
all
right,
some
parts
of
my
memory
are
working
today
and
I
will
share
this
in
the
chat.
D
A
Okay,
so
question
all
right:
drupal,
for
example,
is
measuring
sponsorship.
There's
issue
card
system.
C
B
A
Help
us
okay,
then
go
ahead,
kevin
delete
it,
and
so
how
and
using
what
heuristics
are
credit
are
credits
given
for
contributions
to
an
open
source
project.
A
A
B
I
wrote
that
I
wrote
that
last
one
okay,
so
I
think
all
all
three
of
those
are
attempts
at
writing
the
question
for
this
metric.
All
right.
I
don't
know
that
any
of
them
are
quite
right
yet
so
so
I
would,
I
would
say
these
are
these
questions
are,
did.
B
A
B
D
A
B
B
C
B
The
first
one
is
is
asking:
how
is
credit
given
by
the
project,
which,
I
don't
believe
is
I
don't
believe
that's
what
this
metric
is.
This
is
not.
B
The
how
it's
given
we're
trying
to
get
at
who's
contributing
right,
no.
A
We're
trying
these
this
is
actually
like,
fungible
in
a
way
so
the
credit
system
in
drupal-
and
you
might
have
missed
this
meeting.
The
credit
granting
system
in
drupal
to
summarize
is
is
fungible.
You
can
you
want
to
be
ranked?
I'm
not.
Maybe
I'm
not
maybe
magic
could
explain
it
more
quickly
and
clearly.
D
D
The
three
of
us
could
say:
we're
we're
doing
this
so
that
what
drupal
adds
is
the
ability
to
say.
Yes,
I
attended
this
meeting.
I
did
so
at
you
know.
First,
it's
me.
I
can
add
that
I'm
doing
it
like
my
I'm
doing
this
during
my
work
hour
and
essentially
my
employer-
is
sponsoring
this.
B
D
That's
a
separate
level
of,
but
I'm
also
sort
of
doing
this
on
my
own
time,
because
I
work
on
in
the
evening,
so
I'm
also
as
a
volunteer,
so
it
can
capture
those
nuances
where
you
don't
just
assume
that
somebody
works
for
a
company.
Therefore
they're
doing
it
for
their
company
that
on
some
projects,
I'm
doing
something
for
my
company
and
then
the
additional
thing
that
we
do
is
you
can
like.
D
I
could
say
I'm
doing
this
like
if,
when
when
I
work
on
code
for
the
drupal
project,
it
might
be
I'm
doing
this
for
my
employer
lullabot
on
behalf
of
a
client,
georgia,
public
broadcasting,
and
then
then
you
get
this
so
so.
Therefore,
we
get
this
very
different
view
of
how
the
work
is
getting
done
and
who's
sponsoring
it.
Okay,
yeah.
D
Of
that,
thank.
B
You
thank
you
for
for
refreshing,
refreshing
yeah,
but
my
specific
question
is
so
this
metric
is
about
the
contribution
credit.
So
the
metric
is
the
contribution,
credit
credit.
It's
not
the
method
for
how
the
contribution
is
assigned.
If
it's
the
method
for
how
the
contribution
is
assigned,
then
it's
not
a
it's,
not
a
metric.
It's
something
else.
B
D
A
B
D
D
B
Have
the
implementation,
so
we
can,
we
can
talk
about
how
a
project
might
do
that
in
the
in
the
implementation
right.
However,
the
metric
itself
needs
to
needs
to
be
above
the
the
method.
So
it's
not
it's
not.
How
are
projects
doing
this,
it's
actually
the
it's
actually,
the
contribution
credit
is
the
metric
and
then
here
are
some
ways
that
it
can
happen.
Yeah.
A
I
think
we
could
specify
a
set
of
parameters
really
that
that
would
go
into
some
I
mean.
Obviously,
there
is
x,
equals
one
credit
and
x
is
determined
by
these
parameters.
A
You
know
in
your
in
your
individual
project
may
about.
You
know
account
for
different
parameters
in
different
ways,
and
this
is
not
derivable
from
widely
available
tooling.
Currently,
though,
there
is
an
open,
gitlab
issue
to
see
if
we
can,
if
it
can
be
incorporated
into
gitlab,
because
drupal
is
moving
to
gitlab.
A
D
Do
I
mean
to
kevin's
point
it's
a
good
one.
I
think
like
I
I
would
say
I
mean:
is
it
useful
to
have
a
metric
where
there
aren't
actually
tools
to
do
it
other
than
in
the
drupal
project,
so
that
I
mean
that
might
I'm
not
sure
the
answer
to
that
question?
But
that's
that
is
an
interesting
consideration.
A
All
of
our
first
and
I
would
say
for
the
first
18
months
of
chaos,
nearly
all
of
our
metrics
came
from
with
the
exception
of
possibly
the
dna
metrics
came
from
tools
that
were
built
generating
those
metrics
and
we
reverse
engineered
them
into
common
definitions,
like
that
was
probably
the
first
cycle
or
phase
of
service
that
we
provided.
And
since
then
we
have
been
developing
new
metrics,
often
at
the
same
time
as
they're
being
built
into
tools
or
shortly
afterwards,
they're
put
into
tools
like
grimoire
lab
and
augur.
B
Okay,
so
I
would
say
that
contribution
credit
does
exist
in
other
places
as
well.
I
mean
it's
it's
built
into
it's
built
into
github
and
get
lab
right.
I
mean
there
are.
There
are
all
sorts
of
contribution
dashboards
where
you
can
see
who's
the
who's.
The
number
one
contributor
in
this
project
or
who
has
the
most
activity
or
who's
who's,
had
the
most
commits
and
then
in
in
more
informal
ways.
You
know
projects
make
contributor
lists
and
and
put
them
into
text
format.
B
A
The
interesting
and
I
think,
useful
part
of
what
I
remember
from
matthew's
demonstration
of
drupal
is
there,
for
example,
on
a
pull
request.
There
may
be
commits
from
multiple
people
there's
a
point
where
an
individual
decides
who
will
actually
get
credit.
So
for
you
know,
when
I
do
a
when
I
merge
a
pull
request
in
augur,
I
I
have
a
commit
of
a
whole
bunch
of
stuff.
That's
got
my
name
on
it.
It
shows
the
other
commits
that
are
underneath
it,
but
somebody
merging
in
in
the
course
of
merging
that
pull
request.
A
I
believe
in
drupal
makes
a
decision
about
who
gets
credit
for
that
work.
So
I
shouldn't
get
credit
for
that
work.
I'm
just
the
maintainer
approving
the
pull
request,
and
it
could
be
the
case
that
there
are
incidental
kinds
of
commits
that
I'm,
like
you
know
like
somebody
committed
something
and
then
reverted
it
and
there's
really
no
contribution
to
the
code.
They're,
like
human
judgments,
about
what
contributions
actually
warrant
credit,
I
think
is
that's
the
person
that
there's
a
human
part
of
granting
credit.
That's
not
entirely
derivable
from
trace
data.
E
D
I
think
if
I
stop
sharing,
you
should
be
able
to
share
really
easily
okay.
I
see
your
screen
so
like
I'm
just
going
to
my
drupal
dashboard,
let
me
just
grab
something
that
let's
say
somebody's
working
on
recently,
so
we're
we're.
There's
this
new
initiative
to
add
about
and
a
new
front-end
theme
and
we're
adding
test
coverage.
Okay
and
we've.
D
We
like
broke
it
into
different
parts
and
then
this
changed-
and
this
is
a
long
issue
where
lots
of
people
had
have
worked
on
things
right,
including
me,
and
then
you
get
so
you
get
down
to
the
like
last
night.
I
was
just
reviewing
it.
You
know
adding
a
little
comment
here,
but
then,
if
you
scroll
further
down,
there
is
in
the
in
addition
to
the
the
commit
message
you
can
see,
who
has
contributed,
patches
or
files
or
who
has.
D
On
it,
and
then
whoever
is
the
person
that
actually
does
the
commit
like
we
have
this
handy
little
thing
that
here's
our
method
for
saying
who
is
helped
so
it
like
it,
links
to
the
issue
and
then
it
puts
people's
username
and
it
has
a
little
description
of
it
and
that
changes
you
know
based
on.
If
you
check
this
or
not,
or
something
like
that
right,
but
the
names
of
the
users
are
included
yeah.
So
then,
whoever.
D
Commit
does
not
get;
they
probably
would
commit
themselves
because
they
did
something
but
the.
But
the
addition
thing
is,
you
can
see
next
to
each
person's
name
like
mine's,
actually
wrong.
It
says
mtiff
at
lullabot
for
georgia,
public
broadcasting.
I
I
forgot
to
uncheck
that,
but
that's
that's
the
additional
thing
with
this
is
that
you
can
say
they're
doing
that
work
for
them.
This
person
is
doing
it
as
a
volunteer.
That
kind
of
thing.
D
D
D
So
that's,
that's
that's
the
gist
of
it,
so
it
it
it's
actually
an
additional
thing
that
exists
underneath
that
that
people
can
select
themselves
so
one
day
I
might
be
doing
work
for
georgia,
public
broadcasting,
my
client
another
day,
I'm
not,
but
I'm
also
getting
help
through
so
so
it
creates
this
very
interesting
view.
Where
then
we
can
go
back
and
say:
where
do
we
have
the
most
people,
volunteering?
Where
do
we
have
the
most
people
getting
sponsored
specifically
like
how
has
sponsorship
changed
over
time?
D
So
I
guess,
if
you
wanted
to
share
again,
you
know:
go
back
to
that
document.
That
little
graph
is
one
of
many
graphs
that
we've
been
sharing
over
the
past
five
or
six
years.
That
show
like
a
breakdown
like,
so
we
call
we
did.
We
I
mean
therese,
and
I
just
came
up
with
this
language,
where
we
called
purely
volunteer,
both
volunteer
and
sponsored
and
then
purely
sponsored,
and
we
can
see
like
how
those
things
have
changed
and
we
just
in
this
graph,
just
have
the
last
three
years
like
so
on.
D
The
bottom
we
can
see
like
purely
sponsored.
Work
has
been
increasing,
but
purely
volunteer
work.
You
know
did
not
last
year
and
we
can
see
those
kinds
of
things
which
are
kind
of
interesting,
like
it's
a
much
bigger
increase
in
so
so
we
can
look
at
that
and
say:
oh
yeah,
more
companies
are
sponsoring
or
or
maybe
more
people
are
using
the
system.
We
don't
know
for
sure,
but
yeah
years
we've
seen
that
growth
and
that
information
then
gets
used
to.
D
A
So
it's
it's
applying
human
judgment
to
the
attribution
of
credit
in
in
such
a
manner
that
somebody
like
right
now.
The
colonel
committers
just,
for
example,
look
at
their
rank
and
I
think
it's
just
by
commits.
A
So
this
is
markedly
more
sophisticated
and
it
incorporates
human
judgment
where
any
straight
up
metric
does
not
so
it's
that's.
The
piece
of
this
that
is
distinct.
Is
that
there's
a
human
being
deciding
who
gets
credit
for
the
contribution
and
there's
also
a
way
for
a
human
to
say.
I
went
to
this
meeting
and
give
some
credit,
or
I
led
this
meetup
and
get
some
credit.
D
B
That
the
human
component
is
the
the
implication
or
or
the
I'm
sorry
the
the
implementation
bit,
though,.
B
The
it's
about
the
information
that's
being
collected
that
allows
for
the
implementation
so
based
on,
based
on
what
what
matthew
has
said,
the
information
can
the
contribution
credit
metric
is
it's
the
the
person
connected
to
the
activity,
it's
also
the
organization
that
they
work
for
it.
B
It's
it's
also
a
couple
other
pieces
of
information
that
you
would
attach
to
it.
So
I
I
think
it's
that
it's
that
third
question,
that
we
have
there
right
now
and
that's
what
attribution
information
is
collected
on
a
contribution.
D
B
Using
that,
using
that
attribution
information
that's
collected,
you
can
then
have
implementations
that
provide
what
what
matthew's
doing
at
drupal
for.
A
Example,
a
question:
that's
more
clear
to
me
is
something
like:
how
do
we
determine
who
gets
credit
for
this?
Well,
it's
it's
a.
How
do
we
indicate
who
gets
credit
for
a
particular
contribution
and
yeah,
and
then
we
I,
I
think,
contra
we
have
a
metric,
that's
very
general
somewhere.
I
think
it
may
be
in
common.
A
D
We
might
notice
yeah.
I
just
want
to
point
out
like
something
like.
This
is
a
kind
of
a
different
example
where
you
know
I
spoke
at
drupalcon
north
america,
so
I
got
credited
somewhere
on
this
page.
There's
no
code
anywhere,
but
there
is.
You
know
there
is
credit,
so
somebody
just
went
through
and
said
at
some
point.
Like
you
know,
m
tift
was
a
speaker
as
well.
B
D
A
couple
100
other
people,
yeah
and
and
that's
the
whole
issue,
so
there's
there's
never
actually
any
like
code
committed
so
or
or
you
know,
another
example
would
be
like
I've
helped
run
that
that
same
aloe
vera
initiative
so
like
when
I
fix
an
issue
when
I
mark
it
as
fixed.
I
go
through
and
I
paste
in
the
meeting
notes.
D
This
is
something
my
work
done.
You
know
yesterday,
here's
what
we
discussed,
we
had
as
a
slack
meeting
and
then
all
these
people
just
say
they're
attending
and
then,
when
I,
when
I
close
it,
you
know
I,
these
are
all
the
people
that
were
there
and
it's
like
you
were
there.
Maybe
you
didn't
talk
in
the
meeting
even
but
so
you
know,
then
we
we
add
that
and
those
people
all
get
a
credit.
So
then
like
if
I
go.
D
D
In
yeah,
then,
you
can
see
like
in
the
past
year.
You
know
I've
worked
on
these
137
issues
from
various
modules,
all
the
projects
I've
worked
on,
but
then
it
you
know
that
also
leads
to
me
like
not
all
of
those
were
for
my
employer,
but
that
same
data.
So
we
have
to
serve
this
marketplace
page
that,
based
on
issue
credits
essentially
ranks.
D
So
you
know
there's
my
employer
we're
like
fifth
on
the
list
currently,
but
that
changes,
but
we
can
see
my
employer
has
been
credited
with
231
issue
credits
in
the
last
90
days,
and
then
it
also
takes
into
account
case
studies
how
many
projects
our
company
supports
that
kind
of
thing.
D
So
for
12
years
I
was
actually
working
on
a
like
an
article
to
talk
about
like
the
history
of
this
page,
where
for
a
while,
it
was
just
like
a
random
list.
Then
it
was
alphabetized
and
then
like
for
nine
years.
You
know,
like
this
organization
called
like
one,
something
or
other
was
like
on
the
top
of
the
list,
because
one
is
in
their
name,
and
it
came
first
in
alphabetical
order
exactly
yeah.
So
so
now
it's
ordered
by
credit.
Now
it's
sorted
by
credit,
so.
D
So
if
you
want
to
see
what
other
you
know
like
edgy
people
in
education
are
organizations
in
the
education
sector.
These
might
be
companies
that
work
with
companies
that
do
organization.
D
So
if
this
you
know,
if
github
had
this
in
the
linux
kernel
or
who,
however,
that's
done,
had
something
like
this,
you
could
get
a
better
sense
of
who,
what
organizations
and
then,
but
that
also,
you
can
also
have
like
the
list
of
individuals,
but
on
drupal.org
we've
chosen
specifically
not
to
do
leaderboards,
and
it's
just
mostly
for
organizational
information.
D
So
I
don't
want
to
just
I
can
talk
about
this
for
hours,
but
I
feel,
like
you,
guys,
obviously
have
good
insight
and
one
of
the
things
that's
hardest
about
hardest.
The
hardest
thing
about
this
particular
feature
of
drupal
is
explaining
it
to
other
people.
C
A
Summarize
because
some
projects,
just
like
have
like
the
kernels
just
like
a
leaderboard
of
commits,
I
don't
think
I
do
think
they
like
rule
out
white
space
and
there's
some
things
like
that.
Are
they
do
have
some
sophisticated
algorithms
for
deciding
what
to
count.
But
it's
entirely
commit
focused.
E
D
Layer
to
provide
additional
information
that,
to
me
is
some
of
the
most
exciting
stuff,
because
it
sort
of
exponentially
gives
you
a
different
view
into
how
a
project
actually
keeps
moving
forward,
how
it's
changing
over
the
years,
who's
contributing
over
the.
A
A
D
B
I
think
the
who
the
who
part
is
the
metric
metric
and
the
the
attribute
the
attribution
or
credit
information
that
is
that's
collected
along
with
that
who
is
also
part
of
it,
but
I
think
it's
the
who
right
it's
here.
We
want
to
know
who
the
person
is,
who
they
work
for,
what
they
contributed
and
and
possibly
other
information
that
would
provide
different
ways
of
ways.
D
B
Providing
attribution
but
it,
but
it
does
still
come
to
it,
come
down.
It
comes
down
to
the
who
right
we're
we're
trying
to
figure
out
who
that
person
was,
that
did
the
contribution
and
who
their
organization
was.
A
So
it's
it's
like
there's,
there's
volunteer,
there's
sponsored
and
there's
both
volunteer
and
sponsored.
So
if
I'm
doing
this
for
her,
I
imagine
there
are
cases
that
don't
involve
a
client
yeah,
so
that
would
be
considered
purely
sponsored.
It
would
just
be
that
I
would
be
doing
it
I'm
being
paid
to
do
it
not
for
any
particular
client.
Just
it's
sponsored.
D
Yeah,
I
mean,
I
think
I
would
think,
there's
a
lot
of
projects
where
there
aren't
clients
like
in
the
thinking
of
the
financial
sector
podcast,
where
they're
on
the
chaos
cast
where
they're
talking
about
people
in
the
financial
sector.
Most
of
the
project
is
like
one
company.
Maybe
it's
a
couple
companies,
but
they
were
essentially
assuming.
It
was
always
somebody
working
in
the
financial
industry
on
a
financial,
open
source
tool
for
their
company
and
like
they
were
sort
of
even
encouraging
the
opposite
of
not
having
volunteer
work,
getting
people
to
pay.
D
B
D
A
A
B
My
I
think,
my
question
that
I
have
right
below
yours.
I
think
kind
of
sums
up
what
I
think
the
metric
is.
A
But
if
we're
someone's
reviewing
it,
then
there's
a
person
making
a
judgment
like
if
I
put
plus
one
on
a
pull
request,
am
I
making
an
account?
Does
my
comment?
Give
me
credit
for
something
if
they're
counting
comments,
then
technically,
yes,
but
if
someone's
peer
reviewing
it
saying
plus
one
so
what
there
can
be
a
decision
not
to
give
me
credit.
A
B
Provided
right
so
the
because
the
flip
side
of
that
is
what
information
am
I
giving
you
that
would
so
it's
the
the
information
that
I'm
giving
you
and
the
information
that
you're
assigning.
A
D
They're
claiming
that
I'm
giving
it
to
you
and
I'm
giving
it
to
you
sorry
right
there
there's
that's
all
right,
there's
that
aspect
of
like
some
people
aren't
going
to
want
to
offer
that
information
in
in
our
system-
and
we
say
that's
fine,
you
don't
have
to
so
it
is
people
voluntarily,
saying
yeah.
I
want
to
I'm
proud
of
what
I'm
doing
either
for
my
employer,
I'm
proud
that
I'm
just
to
volunteer
or
whatever,
and
they
want
to
share
but
they're.
You
know
I
I've
I've
thought
about
this.
D
A
lot
in
terms
of
like
trying
to
break
down
what
are
all
the
things
that
exist
now,
and
you
know
I
I
do
feel
like
there
is
a
sense
of
you-
could
call
this
the
how
work
gets
done
like
we
can
in
a
get
history.
When
I
you
know,
if
you
examine
examine
get
history,
you
can
see
what
work
has
been
done
and
who
has
done
the
work
and
there
to
me
one
way
I
have
thought
about
it.
You
can
maybe
this
resonates
or
not
is
to
say
how
it
gets
done.
D
D
A
Yeah
and
it's
the
explicit
indication
of
whether
or
not
it's
for
payer
or
not,
which
is
is,
is
implicitly
counted
in
a
lot
of
systems
certainly
augur
counts,
implicit
organizational
affiliation,
but
we
have
no
way
of
distinguishing.
If
that
specific
thing
you
did
on
a
repository
was
something
you
did
on
your
own
time,
but
not
for
pay.
B
So
if,
if
we
changed
collected
to
assigned.
D
B
A
And
matthew
you're
welcome
to
work
on
this
between
now
and
the
next
for
the
next
meeting,
or
we
will
pick
this,
I'm
just
going
to
move
this
to.