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From YouTube: CHAOSS Metrics Models Working Group April 25, 2023
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Minutes from this meeting can be found here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qE2duE73NbEOHzRRAbqgPSUSAfdH-AmvLruOu7uCIYg/edit
A
Start
the
meeting
so
hi
everybody
Welcome
to
the
April
25th
chaos
metrics
model
meeting,
it's
great
to
have
you
here,
two
faces
so
great
to
have
you
here
as
well.
So
the
minutes
are
in
the
chat
you
can
just
click
on
those
and
add
yourself
to
there,
and
the
question
for
today
is
is
where
you're
heading
next
or
where
you
plan
to
head
next,
so
I,
don't
know
where
June
I
don't
know
where
that
is
I
have
to
I.
B
A
A
That
looks
great
all
right,
so
there
are
staying
at
home
staying
home
being.
This
is
a
good
one
too.
A
All
right
so
Yahoo
I
know
that
you
wanted
to
talk
a
bit
about
some
work.
That's
happening
in
compass.
So
do
you
want
to
just
kick
us
off
today.
E
Yeah
sure
I
think
before
in
the
last
months,
we
discussed
a
little
bit
about
deploy
starter
matrix
model
in
the
compass
lab
for
for
the
validation
and
right
now
we
we
already
finished
that
and
how
how
have
deployed
that
model
on
on
the
compass
lab.
So
today,
I
I
would
like
to
introduce
this
model
validated
result
and
on
the
compass.
The
fourth
thing
I
want
to
mention.
E
E
Get
just
a
couple
of
slice,
I
think.
First,
we
can
quickly
go
through
the
lab
we
already
have.
E
Currently
the
starter
project
has
matrix
model
we
already
have,
and
then
actually
this
binary
is
showing
what
does
what
this
combat
slab
do?
Actually,
it's
a
Sandbox
to
help
people
quickly
to
create
or
validate
a
new
matrix
model,
and
it's
provide
over
20
000,
open
source
project,
the
size
from
our
200
categories,
and
we
are
planning
to
add
more
chaos.
Metrics,
that's
the
or
next
step
I
will
measure
it
later
and
also
customize
the
algorithm
to
promote
a
continuous
innovation
in
modding.
So
first
I
would
like
to
share
the
starter
project
here
or
specix
model.
E
E
And
the
discuss
we
are
showing
two
channels.
The
first
is
chaos,
discourse,
Channel
I,
linked
to
the
chaos
I,
don't
know
we
can.
C
E
I
liked
to
the
this
this
specific
text,
metrics
and
matrix
model
I,
don't
know
if
it's
if
it's
right,
but
maybe
we
can
change
later,
if
you
think,
if
you
have
another
more
suitable
links.
E
E
Actually,
you
can
filter
out,
one
of
them
to
say
the
projects
with
on
the
verify
with
and
also
you
want
to
pick
up
any
selector
any
one
of
the
projects
with
this
matrix
model
and
also
you
can
give
some
comparison
between
or
among
those
the
different
Matrix
projects,
for
example,
tensorflow
pet
touch,
Maxwell
pedal,
or
we
can
have
a
you
know,
curates
launcher
or
next
I,
don't
know.
But
if
we
compare
this.
E
It
would
start
showing
the
result
if
it's
too
much
I
can
I
can
just
I
can
create.
E
E
We
can
say
the
ear
since
the
five
years
ago.
The
result
this
is
the
general
result,
but
if
you
don't
care
about
this
part,
we
can
go
directly
to
the
Matrix
directly.
So,
for
example,
poor
question
to
a
first
response
time,
and
we
have
average
time
and
the
median
time
for
the
different
projects
and
the
time
to
handle
all
this
proquest.
E
We
also
have
average
time
and
the
median
time-
and
we
have
change-
requires
the
Corolla
ratio,
as
you
can
say
that
I'm
very
happy
to
say
that
this
ratio-
because
this
big,
this
famous
communities
all
care
about
this
metric,
you
can
see
that
it's
Cloud
ratio
is
also
very
high
and
except
for
this
Matrix,
it
also
has
some
reference
metric.
E
E
You
know
in
some
case
I
may
would
like
to
see
more
people
more
people
to
in
some
Community.
But
in
some
case,
if
this
is
a
big
community-
and
we,
if
we
see
a
small
group
people,
they
give
the
the
major
part
of
the
contribution
which
means
and
we
can
fund
the
most
valuable
or
influential
people
in
this
community
easily
and
the
the
last
Matrix
is
for
the
release.
Frequency
and
it's
a
you
know
the
frequency
of
project
release
in
the
last
12
months,
because
student
Venture
similarly
have
a
really
high,
reduce
frequency.
A
E
For
this
Matrix,
no,
they
are
quite
easy
to
to
to
to
get
those
data
because
they
are
all
twisted
getting
from
the
GitHub
or
KT.
Okay,.
A
E
E
Better
but
I,
don't
think
so,
because
Rancher
is
a
is
a
is
a
different
technical
area
compared
with
other
compared
with
other
communities.
So
actually,
this
is
by
the
example.
If
we
go
back
to
the
and
it's
a
page,
the
original
page,
if,
if,
if
you
would
like
to
pick
up
some
communities
to
compare,
I,
would
recommend
to
select
some
communities
which
have
the
similar
or
in
the
same
technology
areas.
For
example,
here
I
would
select,
you
know,
kubernetes
Venture,
which
are
similar
or
technical
areas.
I
would
compare
them
together.
A
C
A
E
E
E
E
Actually,
this
is
the
step
into
the
next
and
next
introduction
about
how
to
create
a
new
matrix
model
during
the
creating.
Instead
of
we
already
released
a
new
matrix
model,
and
then
we
haven't
decided
summary
some
bit
about
that,
so
so
that
weight
discussion
should
happen
earlier
and
together
with
a
with
a
matrix
model,
validation
at.
E
F
You
so
yahuwi
as
soon
as
you
feel
confident
in
this
model
and
that
it's
validated
that's
when
we're
going
to
link
to
this
from
in
our
metrics
models.
Definition
I
think
we
had
talked
about
that
in
the
past
is
adding
a
link
to
Compass,
for,
if
you
like,
if
someone
wants
to
see
what
that
looks
like
is
that
right.
E
Yeah
I
think
we
discussed
that
before
and
I
I
kind
of
share
the
slides.
We
discussed
it
before.
Let's
say
that.
E
Yeah,
if
we
already
discussed
in
the
chaos
no
matter,
if,
through
the
Forum
of
the
meetings,
we
all
say
it's
a
good
to
to
be
deployed
on
the
production
environment
in
in
compass,
we
also
can
provide
some
inside
report
on
chaos.
Of
course,
this
could
happen
earlier
and
we
can
do
some
release
on
the
chaos
and
also
we
would
deploy
down
the
compass
production,
environment,
foreign.
E
Do
you
think
we,
we
need
add
more
of
waiting
for
some
time
or
one
week
to
let
more
people
to
to
check
it
out
and
give
again
more
discussion
or
comments
for
this
model.
Validation.
A
D
C
D
Only
thing,
I
would
say
is
what
Matt
mentioned
earlier,
which
is
you
know,
actually
defining
how
you,
how
you've
waited
the
metrics
and
that
aggregated,
aggregated
version.
C
E
That's
all
that's
the
that's
part
of
all
the
I'm
also
I'm,
thinking
of
that
so
for
some
matrix
model.
If
we
don't
give
the
you
know
the
final
value
value
how
to
how
to
trade
it
as
a
model.
It's
like
it's,
it's
kind
of
hard
to
explain
to
other
guys.
B
A
Love
the
aggregated,
look
and
I
think
a
lot
of
people
are
just
going
to
look
at
that
aggregated,
look
and
I
think
that's
something
that's
of
huge
value
personally
and
then
I
love
the
design
of
kind
of
looking
at
more
detail
below
as
to
what
are
the
metrics
in
that
aggregated
look.
But
my
hunch
is
that
most
people
are
going
to
look
most
deeply
at
that
top
that
top
most
horizontal
graph,
so
I
think
the
aggregated
book
is
critical
for
the
models.
A
E
Actually,
before
deploy
it
in
on
the
compass
as
a
as
a
form
or
as
an
official
matrix
model,
my
question
actually
for
this
one:
do
you
think
it's
good
I
do
think
it's
the
more
the
higher
value
we
got
is
good
or
inspired
I'm,
I'm
kind
of
have
some
concern
about
this
metric.
D
It
should
be,
the
higher
numbers
are
good,
so
if
you
have,
if
you
have
10
people
who
are
making
50
of
the
contributions,
that's
a
good
thing.
If
you
have
one
person
who's
making
50
of
the
contributions,
then,
if
that
person
leaves
the
project
or
gets
arrested
or
hit
by
a
bus,
then
the
project
is
in
serious
trouble.
Yeah.
E
B
E
E
B
F
E
Yeah
I'm
thinking,
if
like
Don's
example,
if
there's
only
one
people
or
two
people,
it's
very
apparently,
it's
not
good
for
a
community,
because
one
or
two
people
leave
this
community.
It
would
trigger
a
lot
of
trouble.
But
what,
if
you
know
like
20
or
30
people,
it
didn't
really
matter
or
sensitive.
A
You
know,
Don
has
pointed
out
several
times
that
looking
at
these
Trends
over
time,
so
in
either
case,
if
my
30
became
25
and
then
it
became
20
and
then
started
going
down
to
10.
I
started
having
a
I
wonder,
what's
happening
in
that
situation,
but
as
a
single
cross-section,
20
or
30.
They
both
at
least
at
that
moment,
seemed
fine,
but
I
don't
have
the
context
on
the
trend.
D
D
Those
are
those
are
very
different,
but
very
different
scenarios
and
I
think
that
at
that
point
there
are
other
things
at
play
that
I
would
look
at
other
than
bus
Factor.
You
know
why
are
there
so
many
contributors
who
aren't
contributing
very
much?
Is
there
something
wrong
with
the
community,
so
I
mean
I
I
think
that
from
a
from
a
bus,
Factor
perspective,
I
think
it
doesn't
really
matter
how
many
overall
contributors
there
are
when
it
comes
to
project
Health,
at
least
from
the
bus
Factor
metric,
I,
think
they're.
D
If
I
was
looking
at
a
community
that
that
had
that
situation,
there
might
be
other
things,
I
would
look
at
other
metrics.
E
So
my
thinking
that
could
we
give
things
a
threshold
for
this
bus
Factor.
Let's
say
this
number:
if
if
the
number
is
bought
and
then
it
looks
like
it's,
not
that
sensitive
I
mean
numbers
for
for
for
communities.
If
this,
if
this
number
you
know
become,
you
know,
Decline
and
below
the
10
and
the
way
through
the
trigger
some
warning.
Something
like
that.
D
I
tend
to
I
I
tend
to
try
to
avoid
thresholds
like
that
only
because
it
just
depends
so
much
on
the
individual
project.
So
you
know,
looking
at
kubernetes
is
very
different
from
looking
at
a
very
small
library.
That
only
has
you
know
five
contributors,
that
you
know
the
and
and
has
like
a
relatively
simple
code
base.
D
So
so
the
problem
is,
like
you
know,
even
a
project
with,
let's
say
three
contributors
with
a
bus
factor
of
three,
if
it's
a
small
library
that
doesn't
have
a
lot
of
complexity
and
a
lot
of
code,
that's
probably
just
fine,
it's
probably
perfectly
healthy,
whereas
you
know
a
project
like
kubernetes.
If
it
had
a
bus
factor
of
three,
there
would
be
some
serious,
serious
issues
because
of
the
size
of
the
project.
D
So
I
think
you
can't
really
set
those
thresholds,
because
projects
themselves
are
so
very
different
that
it
would
be
I
think
it
would
be
misleading
depending
on
what
type
of
project
you're
looking
at,
because
even
10
would
be
super
unhealthy
for
kubernetes.
But
10
would
be
great
for
let's
say
auger.
E
E
Sorry
but
yeah
it's
actually
it's
quite
famous
communities
in
in
the
contender
technology
anyway.
So,
okay
and
okay,
for
this
aggregation
values,
I
I,
because
our
algorithm
and
and
the
way
of
implementations
is
probably
it's
public
and
we
are
very
open
to
to
to
you
know
to
enhance
that
in
the
folder.
So
yeah,
if
you,
if
you
agree
about
the
current
results,
I
would
like
to
deploy
it
officially
on
the
Compass
production
environment
instead
of
a
live.
E
You
know
we
will
move
it
to,
and
I
I
mean
to
deploy
to
to
all
the
project
E60
in
current
Compass
project.
A
Yeah
I
agree,
and
just
maybe
in
that
just
as
a
signal
you
can
either
just
post
something
on
slack
that
it's
been
deployed.
So
we
can
add
that
reference
point
in
the
metric
model
itself.
Sure.
D
E
And
yeah.
A
C
C
E
They
always
linked
with
the
weight
and
and
how
we
can
calculate
and
also
including
the
threshold,
and
also
we
linked
with
our
chaos,
Matrix,
modeling,
yeah
so
and
I
think
and
base
provide
a
way
to
to
let
people
find
out
how
to
understand
those
matrix
model
and,
together
with
the
chaos
definitions
here,
yep
I
think
that
and
yeah
after
it's
a
deployed
officially
in
the
OS
Compass
I
will
also
either
the
more
introduction
about
this
weight
and
stretch
hold
and
more
explanations
in
some
in
some
of
its
context.
Okay,
perfect
great.
E
F
Wait
sorry
I
have
one
one
more
question
before
we
move
on
it.
Would
it
would
it
be
a
value,
or
would
this
ever
be
the
case
where
someone
would
want
to
change
the
weights
based
on
their
particular
situation?
F
F
E
F
E
F
E
And
also
if
they
have
some
common
way
to
you
know
to
to
enhance
the
current
algorithm
way,
we're
open
to
discuss
around
it.
E
E
Thank
you,
so
I
can
quickly
go
through
the
next
introduction
about
our
Compass
lab
in
the
next
few
weeks
and
because,
as
you
know,
as
you
understand,
we
have
many
times
to
wait
for
the
start:
project
chaos,
matrix
model
deployed
on
the
live,
and
even
this
matrix
model
we
already
released
in
the
chaos,
so
we're
thinking.
If
we
quickly
go
through,
could
you
know
when
we
have
idea
to
to
create
a
new
matrix
model?
E
In
that
time,
we
can
see
the
result
of
the
of
this
matrix
model
somehow
quickly,
so
that
would
help
our
people,
no
matter
in
compass
or
in
chaos,
could
quickly
understand
our
collaborate
with
each
other
to
see
how
it
works
under
the
value
of
this
matrix
model.
So
in
the
campus,
together
with
other
friends
and
colleagues,
we
have
some
new
ideas.
E
E
Actually,
this
need
four
steps,
select,
select
them
both
sides
and
we
provided
100
data
size
or
categories
like
mentioned
here,
fields
and
industries,
and
the
second
step
is
select
the
Matrix
and
that's
including
the
okay.
This,
the
not
right
I,
think
we
already
have
100
metrics
already
in
our
chaos
or
mostly,
and
we
are
planning
to
implement
it
all
in
the
in
the
compass
I
understand
people
could
select
any
of
the
metrics
here
and
the
select
the
algorithm.
E
You
can
use
some
default
algorithm
provided
by
compass
and
you
can
Define
the
weight
like
like
the
it
is
just
mentioned.
You
can't
Define
The
Weight
by
yourself
and
finally,
a
release
or
publish
this
matrix
model.
Meanwhile
invites
other
partners
to
to
collaborate
with
you
to
improve
this
matrix
model
in
the
compass
lab
I
can
show
some
more
detailed,
designing
work
so
after
you
click
the
create
a
new
model
in
live
you.
E
Firstly,
of
course
you
have
to
name
your
model
and
the
second
selected
the
data
sites,
as
I
mentioned,
we
would
provide
more
than
200
data
size
exactly
in
the
compass.
So
here
you
can
select
a
new
PIN
and
for
each
of
single
data,
size
I
mean
the
category.
You
can
pick
up
four
sorry
file
projects
in
each
data
sites.
Considering
the
you
know
the
resources
limitation,
but
up
to
five
projects
in
each
data
sites,
and
next
we
can
add
some
Matrix.
E
E
We
do
we
have
some
category,
for
example,
pull
request
or
change,
request,
issue,
repo
kit
or
some
inverter
in
the
future.
We
could
add
more
data
sources
like
from
media
channels,
this
course,
and
it's
like
Twitter
whatever
so
after
this
type,
and
you
can
select
the
algorithm
and
of
course
you
can
use
some
default
algorithm
already
fixed
in
compass
and
you
can
customize
the
algorithm
quickly
in
in
a
short
way.
Yeah
lightweight
I
mean
to
sign
manual
site
weight
for
each
of
single
metrics.
E
Of
course,
all
the
auto
weight
values
through
the
added
up
to
100,
of
course,
and
and
then
you
can
submit,
of
course,
submit
after
submitage.
It
needs
some
time
to
do
the
calculation.
It
would
take
five
minutes
to
20
20.
You
know
two
hours,
but
you
know,
without
all
the
calculation
time
would
take
or
happened
during
in
the
aggregation
value
calculation,
but
but
I
have
to
accept
this
result
finish
before
that
finish,
you
can
email
daily
to
say
the
result
of
the
The
Matrix.
E
Yeah,
maybe
this
aggregation
value
is
not
ready,
but
this
part
of
right
this
part
of
the
Matrix
value,
is
already
after
you
submit
this
result,
so
you
can
quickly
go
through
all
the
metrics
result.
First
and
discuss
with
you
guys,
and
maybe
it
can
take
one
hour
or
two
hours
anyway,
this
this.
This
value
is
ready
and
you
can
continue
your
discussion.
I
mean
this
town
previous
experiences
or
one
matrix
model
discussion
in
the
chaos.
It
would
take
one
or
two
weeks,
I.
E
G
E
Also
yeah
I
I
say
your
point
so
like
I
mentioned
here,
sorry.
E
It's
kind
of
small
indeed,
if
you
have
any
any
other
new
algorithm,
except
for
just
the
assign
some
of
weight
for
each
of
single
metric.
If
you
have
more
weight,
calculations
or
or
any
other
algorithm
you
can
you
can
you
can
contact
with
us?
Maybe
we
can
work
together
for
this
new
algorithm
yeah.
E
C
E
G
Actually
sort
of
say
problem
of,
for
example,
bus
Factor
passing
this
threshold.
Well,
it's
hard
to
Define
a
threshold.
Maybe
we
can.
We
can
make
a
natural
log
transformation,
so
so
the
results
increase
slower
when
the
value
becomes
really
big.
E
A
So
Yahoo
the
way
I
understand
this.
This
changes
the
way
in
in
a
good
way,
so
I
don't
mean
change
bad,
but
like
changes
in
a
good
way,
the
way
we
think
about
the
way
we
think
about
developing
metrics
but,
more
importantly,
metrics
models
in
the
chaos
project.
So
in
the
past
it's
always
been
open,
a
discussion.
We
talk
about
it,
we
build
a
definition.
You
know
we
build
a
markdown
document
and
then
we
talk
to
folks
like
at
auger
or
Remora
lab
about
deploying
a
metric
or
a
metric
model.
E
I
forgot
to
mention
something
that
not
everyone
could
call
it.
This
can't
I
mean
we
need
the
filter
would
add
some
content
or
Administration.
So,
as
we
discussed
within
the
compass
communities,
we
plan
to
offering
10
and
50
to
15
comes
to
our
chaos,
which
means
or
10
to
50
people
could
have
such
count.
Could
that
who
could
create
new
models
at
end
times
during
this
discussion?
It's
not
in
the
meantime,
no,
not
because
it
would
responds
so
too
much,
calculation,
resources
and
the
meantime.
E
A
So
then,
in
that
case
it
kind
of
it
it's
not
quite
what
I
described,
but
it
it's
helpful
in
the
sense
that
it
kind
of
invites
the
technology
into
the
discussion.
Early
yup.
C
E
E
Because
I'm
thinking
that
it's
kind
of
you
know
when
they
have
some
new
idea
to
define
a
new
matrix
model,
we
didn't
know
how
it
works.
You
know
with
some
real
data.
E
E
E
That's
why
I
really
like
the
definition
of
our
starter,
Health
matrix
model,
because
what
you
can
say
that
also
value
from
this
matrix
model
is
super
high,
which
means
they
are
quite
important
for,
for
the
this
metrics
model
is
quite
important
for
for
the
community.
You
can
see
this
more.
This
ratio
super
high,
which
means
the
community,
is
also
think
this
metric
is
quite
important
for
for
for
their
Community,
not
only
for
patouch
but
for
many
other
communities.
The
same
value,
okay,.
A
Right
well,
this
is
this
is
amazing,
I
think
it
would
help
what
you're
showing
here.
The
second
part
in
particular
would
would
help
a
lot
of
conversations
for
folks
say
in
our
in
our
like
working
groups,
like
kind
of
our
user
working
groups,
that
don't
necessarily
want
to
think
about
creating
markdowns
of
metrics
or
markdown
documents
of
metrics.
B
A
B
E
Yeah
I
kind
of
saw,
you
know
some
support
or
input
from
chaoslots.
What's
the
what's
the
most
valuable
metrics,
you
want
all
high
priority
metrics.
You
want
to
deployed
first
because
there's
two
too
many
metrics
right
in
in
the
chaos.
So
what's
the
most
valuable
metrics
you
want
to,
you
know,
implement
it
in
compass.
We
can.
We
can
help
to
because
variety
implemented,
some
of
the.
But
if
you
already
have
some
list
you,
if
we
can
provide
some
list
that
we
want
to
implement
first,
you
know
we
we
can.
E
We
can
Implement,
okay
and
deploy
first.
E
A
I'll,
take
an
action
item
to
kind
of
take
a
look
at
what
appears
to
be
already
deployed
in
compass,
along
with
what
the
new
metrics
might
be
based
on
our
existing
metric
models.
You
know
kind
of
the
things
that
we're
asking
for
in
those
models.
That
might
be
a
good
start.
Maybe.
A
C
C
B
B
B
E
More
some
some
matrix
definition
page
is
more,
has
been
accessed
by
so
many
people,
so
we
can
implement
this
metric
first
right.
E
Okay,
anyway,
yeah
I
think
that's
good
there
sorry
I
might
I
I
would
stop
my
sharing.
Firstly,.
A
I
will
just
kind
of
point
out
a
few
things
that
I'll
bring
up
next
time
or
just
continue
to
talk
through
so
I
had
done
some
real
quick
mapping
between
the
metrics
that
are
in
compass
or
the
metrics
models
that
are
Encompass
and
the
metrics
models
that
are
in
chaos,
because
I
do
think.
We
need
to
keep
these
aligned
a
little
bit
and
there's
a
few
gaps
that
I'm
just
trying
to
identify
in
there.
A
I
have
started
a
just
for
people
to
do
book.
Chapter
I,
think
some
of
the
discussions
that
are
coming
out
here
would
be
valuable
for
ospos
that
are
thinking
about
demonstrating
value
in
the
current
environment
that
a
lot
of
ospos
are
in
right
now,
so
you
can
click
on
that
and
take
a
look
there.
A
I
did
just
want
to
tell
you
all
that
we
have
received
new
support
three
years
of
support
from
the
Alfred
Sloan
foundation,
so
this
is
really
great
and
probably
come
summer.
It
is
going
to
include
a
director.
B
A
Science,
as
well
as
a
potential
student
for
helping
with
technical
work
so
I,
you
know
we're
really
kind
of
focusing
in
this
loan
support
to
really
provide
thinking
around
these
metrics
and
metrics
models
and
how
they
can
have
positive
impacts
for
people.
So
I
think
this
lines
up
pretty
closely
with
everything
we're
talking
about
here
today.
A
It
looks
like
there's
not
going
to
be
a
meeting
on
May
9th
who,
if,
if
you
I'm,
not
going
to
be
in
Vancouver,
so
if
you
want
to
continue
this
conversation,
I
am
happy
to
continue
to
meet
here.
I
just
know
a
lot
of
people
aren't
going
to
be
in
the
meeting,
but
I'm
happy
to
to
hold
this
meeting
again
in
two
weeks.
What
do
you
think.
E
It
would
be
good
to
have
a
meeting,
but
but
I
guess
you
could
be
quite
busy
in
in
during
that
time.
I.
A
Won't
be
there
I'm
going
to
be
here:
I'm
not
traveling,
to
Vancouver,
but
Don
will
be
there,
for
example,
so
I'm
guessing
you'll
be
neither
first
of
all
it's
5
30
in
the
morning
in
Vancouver,
when
this
meeting
starts
and
then
you'll
just
be
pretty
busy
anyway,
but
I
I
think
it's
okay!
If
we
maybe
did
continue
to
meet
I
think
there's
some
important
conversations
occurring
here
and.
A
Can
record
it
exactly
and
I
think
we
can
continue?
We
can
share
the
information
I
just
along
with
the
ospo
working
group.
I
think
there
are
a
couple
things
that
need
to
just
continue
to
to
go,
and
then
we
do
just.
As
a
final
note
yahui.
Thank
you
for
starting
this.
That's
a
document,
so
we
are
looking
at
influence,
active
organizational
influence
and
activity.
E
No
actually
I
have
the
better
name
for
that,
so
actually
other
choices.
Here,
oh.
A
How
organizations
can
either
influence
or
let
go
of
influence
within
within
a
project?
I
mean
that's
what
this
is
about.
So
this
is
a
conversation
that
also
came
from
the
hospital
working
group
and
I
know
that
shoi
is
helping
in
this
regard
as
well.
C
C
A
And
I
always
like
to
kind
of
organize
this
prior
to
the
hospital
working
group
meeting
as
well
and
kind
of
share
the
movement
on
the
stuff
we're
talking
about
we're
done
great.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Everybody.
Thank
you.
We'll
continue
to
have
this
conversation,
but
it
was
awesome
thanks
for
everybody's
work.
Thank.