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A
Welcome
everyone
welcome
to
the
curse
value
working
group
meeting
of
september
9
and
please
add
yourself
to
the
attendees
and
tell
how
you're
feeling
or
anything
you
want
to
share.
A
C
And
the
the
number
of
the
digital
infrastructure
incubator,
which
is
one
of
the
things
that
got
funded
under
under
board's
digital
infrastructure
project,.
B
B
C
So
they're
they're
essentially
they're
an
umbrella
org
for
open
science
projects.
It's
a
lot
of
what
they
do.
You
know
is
you
you've
got
a
grant.
You
don't
know
what
to
do
with
it
right.
So
so,
but
they're
sponsored
their
sponsored.
Projects
include
openreview.net,
which
is
an
open
peer
review
thing.
C
Open
refine,
which
is
clean
up
your
open
data
thing
yeah,
that's.
C
C
So
so
all
code
for
science
is
to
say
not
all.
I
don't
wish
to
minimize
the
fine
organization
of
css,
but
most
of
what
they
do
for
these
guys
is
provide.
C
You
know,
financial
umbrella
compliance,
follow
the
rules,
we'll
take
a
percentage
type
work,
but
the
thing
is
that
they're,
it's
just
like
every
time
I
find
a
new
group
like
invest
in
open
infrastructure,
which
also
is
part
of
csns
that
I
I
got
involved
with
them
by
presenting
with
them
in
december
and
they
kind
of
popped
up
in
osbo,
plus
plus
but
they're
another
organization
there,
they're
slack
every
time.
I
look,
there's
like
five
more
of
these
projects
that
I've
never
heard
of
before
that
are
trying
to
do
stuff
in.
C
D
Yeah,
it
seems
to
have
really
taken
off
and
it
I
think,
one
of
the
challenges
steve
and
I'm
the
same
way
so
like
I
think,
cs
and
s.
I've
talked
to
them
and
I
think
they're,
as
you
mentioned,
funded
as
part
of
the
the
critical
digital
infrastructure
program.
So
then
it
starts
it's
like
it's
becoming
like
the
foundations
in
foundations,
yeah
right.
A
D
C
I
I
am,
I
am
going
to
be
talking,
I
think.
Well,
you
know,
josh
josh,
greenberg,
assuming
sloan,
hasn't
changed
their
mind
is
considering
some
kind
of
meetup
of
the
people
that
they've
funded
at
ospokon
right,
maybe
not
just
the
people
they
funded,
but
also
the
people
they're
buying
airplane
tickets
for
yeah.
A
C
B
C
D
C
A
D
Because,
like
then,
it
could
be
something
I'm
not
like
trying
to
shoehorn
this,
but
like
something
like
chaos
where
you're
like.
We
just
need
a
some
group,
that's
willing
to
organize
right,
the
discussion,
yeah
some
form
or
fashion,
and
then
within
that
structure
we
have
a
group
that
focuses
on
whatever
metrics
that
are
relevant.
We
have
a
group
that
focuses
on
the
development
of
ospos
within
universities,
and
we
have
a
group
that
organizes
and
every
now
and
then
we
have
like
a
a
universal
meeting.
D
You
know
or
a
community
meeting
where
we
just
kind
of
talk
about
everything.
That's
happening
yeah
across
everybody's
work,
because
right
now
I
would
suspect
that
if
people
are
talking
about
metrics,
for
example,
like
it's,
a
discussion,
that's
occurring
like
six
times
across
six
different
groups,
and
I.
A
D
D
B
I
think
the
trick
with
academic
and
research
software
is
unlike
corporate
spaces.
There
aren't
a
small
set
of
organizing
units
right,
it's
it's
sort
of
much
more
decentralized
and
there
isn't
a
there's.
Almost
a
reluctance.
I
think,
to
create
or
join
a
foundation
related
to
academic,
open
source
software
unless
you're
in
the
r
community
and
then
you're
good
with
it.
C
C
C
A
C
A
So
this
particular
organization
is
a
collaboration
of
universities
that
is
developing
erp
kind
of
an
open
source
software
for
the
universities,
oh
god,
okay,
so
if
you
were
right,
christ,
christ,
open
source-
I
read
it
in
a
paper
yesterday:
christ,
open
source,
k-r-I-s-e
or
k-c
k-r-k-r-I-c-e,
open
source
or.
A
They
are
coming
together
to
develop
erp
system
like
inventory,
ordering
system
or
student
management
system,
something
along
those
lines
within
a
low
cost
and
being
open
sourced
yeah.
D
C
C
C
C
D
C
C
Is
but
you
know
what
my
impression
is
that
as
things
move
forward,
they'll
open
the
pool
and
start
bringing
in
folks
with
expertise
in
different
areas
and
experience
different
areas
to
talk,
but
this
this
first
meeting
is
just
the
kind
of
kumbaya
getting
to
know
you
who's
here.
Okay,
that's
my
understanding,
but
you
know
I
talk
whenever
I
talk
about
open
r,
it
open
at
rit.
I
talk
about
everything,
we're
trying
to
do
and
everybody
we
work
with,
and
so
okay,
you
know,
you're
the
the
chaos
and
and.
C
The
chaos
community
and
look
you're
starting
to
look
at
academic
metrics
beyond
open
source
software
and
blah
blah
that
there's
there's
a
sentence
or
two
in
the
dump.
That
happens
every
time.
So
the
fact
that
you
folks
exist
and
are
out
there
and
have
been
doing
for
years
in
one
corner
of
the
world.
But
what
I
talk
about
and
have
no
background
in
yeah.
You
know
that
that
goes
out
there.
Every
time
it's
like
you
know,.
C
A
B
Well,
and
we
have
a,
we
have
a
process
and
a
text
a
way
of
way
of
describing
the
taxonomies
of
measurement
and
open
source
software
that
that
is,
if
not
correct,
because
no
one
can
make
that
claim
it.
It's
very
consistent
right
and,
and
that
you
know,
if
you've
got
consistency,
then
it's
easier
to
adopt
the
ones
that
are
useful
to
your
organization.
B
C
Yeah
sure
I
I
have
a
sense,
but
I
have
no
confirmation
that,
as
opposed
to
all
of
these
universities,
who
are
saying
I'm
bob
and
my
university's
ex,
I
I
get
the
hint
that
we
might
get
somewhat
of
a
larger
chance
to
talk
about
what
we're
doing,
okay,
we're
perceived
being
ahead
of
the
grave
at
the
moment
yeah,
and
so
so,
if,
given
that
opportunity,
you
know
you'll
you'll
be
getting
your
15
seconds
of
fame
out
of
my
five
minutes
of
being
able
to
talk
or
whatever
it
is
yeah.
C
All
right,
well,
I
should
I
should
run
sean
mike
told
me.
C
We
didn't
had
a
brief
conversation
with
him
around
auger
and
I
confirmed
that
it
was
a
conversation
that
should
happen
most
of
it's
about
defining
what
you're,
looking
for
and
and
timeline
and
scope.
C
B
C
I
had
a
talk
with
you
know
the
css
folks
yesterday
around
their
incubator-
and
I
said
you
know
because
we.
C
C
A
B
D
So
I
did
have.
I
just
had
one
thing
that
I
wanted
to
bring
up.
Okay
for
this
group
I
was
thinking
about
this
on
my
right
in
today.
Is
that
should
we?
This
is
maybe
for
all
working
groups,
so
we
have
the
metrics
model
working
group.
D
A
A
B
Kind
of
this
circle
that
happened
that
started
actually
in
this
value
group
where
I
took
yes,
some
things
that
we
were
kind
of
that
were
starting
to
look
like
a
model,
and
I
took
that
to
the
app
ecosystem
working
group
and
then
had
an
exchange
with
them.
And
then
I
brought
that
back
to
the
metrics
model,
working
group,
and
so
we've
had
kind
of
like
one
cycle
through
that,
and
I
think
I
think
through
that
cycle-
and
I
guess
I'm
the
only
one
that's
been
on
that
whole
thread.
So
yeah.
B
I
think
that
bringing
the
model
as
a
construct
or
a
an
artifact
that
can
be
produced
back
to
the
working
groups
is
something
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
The
working
groups
have
the
the
knowledge
of
particular
areas
that
they
like
they
would
like
to
assemble
as
models,
and
I
think
what
the
metrics
model
working
group
is
going
to
be
helpful
with
is
helping
the
work.
The
other
working
groups
figure
out
how
to
do
that.
So
maybe
the
first
one.
B
The
first
models
that
are
composed
of
ks
metrics
need
to
come
out
of
the
metrics
model
working
group.
So
we
have
a
a
worked
example
that
we
can
disseminate
to
the
other
working
groups.
Okay,
that
they
can
then
function
from.
I
fear,
if
we
sort
of
jump
to
it
too
soon
we'll
and
don't
give
them
a
model
that
each
working
group
will
arrive
at
its
own
definition
of
what
a
metrics
model
is
that's
fair
and
we
do.
D
Have
the
template
that
we're
starting
to
kind
of
work
out
in
the
metrics
model?
Working
group?
Yes,
so
that's
fair,
okay!
So,
but
you're,
okay
with
the
idea
of
kind
of
saying,
hey
working
groups.
If
you
have
a
model
like
because
I
more
than
okay,
I
think
it's
the
only
way
the
actual
work
can
get
done.
So
I'm
starting
to
think
about,
like
the
chaos
project
like
at
largely
large,
right
yeah.
D
D
Do
that
right,
yes,
and
you
were
kind
of
doing
it.
Do
you
remember,
like
all
of
the
work
that
you
do
well?
Of
course
you
remember
like
all
around
the
jupiter
notebook
stuff,
yeah,
that's
kind
of
the
same
thing
right,
yeah,
you're,
bringing
together
ways
of
looking
at
the
world.
It
was
yeah,
more
bottom-up
yep,
but
it's
kind
of
the
same
you're
synthesizing
things
to
come
together,
yeah
that
might
be
meaningful,
so.
B
Project,
I
agree
and
I
think
we
could
start
promoting
the
idea
and
maybe
make
an
effort
to
disseminate
the
work
of
the
metrics
model
working
group
sort
of
foreground
it
in
some
of
our
newsletters
and
weekly
communication
yeah,
I
think
that'd,
be,
I
think,
that'd
be
great
yeah.
So
that
would
be
I
mean,
maybe
the
next
time
you
and
elizabeth-
and
I
talk-
we
can
talk
about
that.
D
B
A
So
maybe
like
in
this
group,
we
have
this
researcher
reputation
model
that
came
up
when
we
were
discussing
different
metrics
for
the
academic
side.
Yep
I
mean
so
maybe
like
I,
I
agree
in
common,
it's
if
nothing
fits
anywhere.
We
move
it
to
the
common,
but
maybe
sometimes
that
different
aspects
can
bring
a
model,
so
we
they
can
think
on
it
or
just.
D
Okay,
okay,.
A
D
B
D
I
would
like
that
because,
like
what,
if
even
I
mean
like,
I
don't
think
it
would
be
the
worst
thing
in
the
world
if,
over
the
course
of
the
next
six
months,
the
value
working
group
released
no
metrics
like
none
yeah
or
I
mean,
and
we
released
a
metrics
model
or
two
yeah
out
of
this
working
group.
I
think
that'd
be
a
win
for
value
to
be.
I
concur.
I
I
agree.
D
Stuff
is
a
good
place
to
start
yep
and
in
some
cases
we
might
need
to
build
metrics
to
support
it.
The
metrics
model
working
group
is
also
just
trying
to
say,
like
let's
take
a
look
at
what
has
already
been
deployed
in
value
right
and
is
there
any
way
that
those
can
be
brought
together
in
meaningful
ways?
So
the
metrics
model
working
group
is
not
actually
functioning
like
the
app
ecosystem
working
group.
The
app
ecosystem
working
group
imagines
a
scenario
irrespective
of
the
metrics
being
developed
or
not,
and
then
they
say
here
are
the
metrics.
D
We
need
and
here's
the
model
that
would
kind
of
come
from
those
metrics.
The
metrics
model
working
group
is
saying
we
have
60
or
70
metrics
in
the
chaos
project.
Let's
just
use
those,
let's
just
simply
use
those,
and
if
we
need
more
fine,
I
mean
it's
always
that
moving
off
zero
like
they're,
not
perfect,
but
yeah.
D
A
So
I
had
the
same
concept
where
by
we
had
like
for,
for
example,
if
we
take
the
practical
example
which
we
have
a
academic
reputation
metric
model
yeah,
we
have
one
metric
already
in
the
domain
that
is
highly
relevant
to
that
model.
Okay,
maybe
developing
a
fair
metric
or
one
or
two
will
help,
or
maybe
we
can
think
through
and
develop
metric
and
the
model.
At
the
same
time,.
D
B
B
B
B
A
I
didn't
so
we
have
not
developed
a
model
as
yet
we
just
proposed
it.
That
is
in
the
meetings
in
different
meetings.
Let
me
check
where
we
propose
in
which
meeting
yep
we
proposed
it
on
meeting
dated
august
26
or
earlier
so
in
the
august
26.
We
have
this
like
metric
model
and
good
example,
was
a
researcher
reputation
model.
B
B
D
A
Value
so
maybe
social
currency
metric
can
be
a
model
like
the
one
which,
having
a
little
ptsd.
D
B
B
B
B
D
D
So,
okay,
so
scroll
down
a
little
bit
sean
yeah,
there's
communal
value
like.
B
B
Could
be
combined
with
academic,
open
source
impact
because
popularity,
velocity
skill
and
job
opportunities
that
seems
copacetic
with
academic
open
source
impact?
All
those
two.
B
Because
I
think
it's
just
a
hornet's
nest
of
complexity.
D
Yep,
that
would
be
my
like.
That's
my
one
of
my
ideas
too,
on
the
metrics
models
is
just
look
at
what
we
already
have
released
and
sure
we
might
need
to
add
like
sean
to
your
story
of
kind
of
the
academic
interest
in
what
you
had
brought
together,
like
maybe
there's
some
evolution
metrics.
That
could
also
be
part
of
that
model,
but.
B
B
So
you
have
these,
and
maybe
maybe
like.
A
I
can
think
of
followers,
because
reputation
is
reflecting
by
the
followers
like
how
many
followers
that
a
researcher
has
is
that
evolution
metric?
I
think
it
is,
I
think
it
is.
It
is
evolution
I
guess
yeah
yeah.
D
D
Myths
I'm
trying
to
keep
so
when
we
did
the
template
last
time
in
the
metrics
model
meeting
like
yeah
yeah
and
I
had
kind
of
come
up
with
just
this
super
simple
template
that
people
can
look
at
really
quickly.
Like
here's,
the
here's,
the
name,
here's
why
you
care-
and
here
are
the
metrics
that
you
care
about.
B
Yeah
I
mean
I
think
this
is
this-
is
I
think
we
just
did
assemble
a
metric
model.
You
know
at
least
a
draft
of
one.
That's
what
it's
meant.
Yes,
they're
super
simple,
exactly
a
draft
yeah
good
job.
I
listen.
I'm
learning
that
you
know
it's
listening
man,
it's
so
important.
B
Yeah,
but
this
is,
I
mean
this
is
a
metrics
model
and
I
think
we
should
maybe
start
working
on
it
in
that.
In
that
spirit,
yeah
we're
done,
and
then
we
can.
A
A
D
D
There
click
on
the
metrics
model
tab
at
the
bottom
ooh.
That's
that's
new.
It
is
new.
So
right
now
those
are
our
focus
areas,
operations,
governance,
development,
community
engagement,
infrastructure.
I
mean
we
may
want
to
add
a
focus
area
called
like
academic
or
something
like
that.
B
A
It
can
be
under
like
academic
infrastructure
kind
of
a
thing
I
can
think
of
it
in
this
way.
Yeah.
D
D
A
D
B
Developed
in
value
working
group
right
now,
just
yes
yep
to
pass
that
signal
forward,
and
we
can
fill
this
in.
D
B
I
think
I
think
it's
a
natural.
You
know
I've
completely
flipped
from
my
initial
thought.
I
think
we
have
enough
here
to
begin
this
conversation
and
actually
we
have
the
metrics
in
our
notes,
yeah.
So.
B
I
think
sorry.