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From YouTube: CHAOSS Community Meeting August 8, 2023
Description
Minutes from this meeting are here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PMDWc6xMe0fNE7shxTK5_HE_ykRBG5w55_Zx5hvzsEY/edit?pli=1#heading=h.6yp7pf5c2fwc
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A
If
you
have
not
added
your
name
and
you'd
like
to
you
know
that
you
know
that
you
know
the
routine,
you
feel
free
to
do
that.
If
you
don't
want
to
that's,
also
valid,
we
do
not
care
here
and
just
quick
reminder.
This
is
under
our
chaos
code
of
conduct.
So
please
keep
that
in
mind,
as
you
interact
with
us
and
you're
welcome,
to
keep
your
cameras
off
or
on
whatever
you
want,
feel
free
to
chat
and
I
will
actually
open
the
chat.
So
I
don't
miss
anything
there.
We
go
yeah
yeah!
You.
A
First
thing
on
the
agenda
is
we
do
still
have
tickets
to
All
Things
open.
So
if
you
are
interested
in
attending
that
conference
and
you
would
like
to
get
a
ticket
on
behalf
of
chaos,
please
just
reach
out
to
me
and
we
have
quite
a
few
and
if
we
run
out,
we
can
still
get
passes
at
the
earlier
price
of
99,
which
is
a
pretty
good
deal
for
a
jam-packed
jam-packed
conference.
You
can
learn
more
about
it
here.
A
The
only
thing
we
would
ask
is
that
you
take
a
few
shifts
to
help
us
staff
the
chaos
boost
that
would
be
excellent,
but
yeah.
If
you
want
that,
no
you
do
have
to
get
there
on
your
own
as
well.
There's
not
travel
included
in
that.
So
let
me
know
if
you're
interested
in
taking
advantage
of
that
or
if
you
have
any
questions
about
it,
you
can
just
reach
out
to
me.
No
problem
at
all.
A
Second
thing
on
the
agenda
is
that
we
have
another
new
Badger
orientation
for
anybody
who's
interested
in
learning
about
how
to
be
a
Dei
event.
Badger,
you
can
join
us
on
August
17th
at
9am
or
3
P.M
West
Africa
time.
You
do
not
have
to
know
anything
about
chaos.
You
do
not
have
to
know
anything
about
our
badging
or
anything
about
metrics.
Really,
we
will
go
through
the
whole
process
from
start
to
finish,
and
it's
no
commitment
you
can
just
see
if
you
like
it
and
then
at
the
end
of
that
orientation.
A
If
you
do
want
to
sign
up
as
a
badger,
you
have
the
opportunity
to
do
so,
but
you're
not
on
the
hook
for
anything
at
all.
So
it's
a
good
it's
a
good
meeting.
If
you
just
want
to
learn
about
the
badging,
you
can
that's
also
valid.
You
can
just
show
up
and
learn
about
that.
You
don't
have
to
register,
but
if
you
do
want
to
be
added
to
the
calendar,
invite
just
let
me
know
and
I'll
add
you
so
you
have
that
in
your
personal
calendars
as
a
reminder,
any
questions
about
that.
C
A
C
A
Yeah
Enoch's
been
working
on
it.
Something
was
going
on
just
for
those
who
didn't
see
or
don't
watch
the
repo.
There
was
an
application
that
came
through
that
the
percent
was
102
percent,
which
was
great,
but
also
what
and
it
kind
of
threw
it
through
the
badging
bot
for
Loop
and
issued
a
pending
badge,
and
so
Enoch
was
working
on
figuring
out
how
that
happened,
and
then
it
was
offline
for
a
little
bit.
A
I
think
it
would
be
great
if
we
had
I
mean
I
feel
bad.
That
Enoch
is
like
the
point
person
for
this,
so
I
know
he
has
a
team
that
works
on
this.
So
maybe
that's
something
we
should
chat
about
at
the
Dei
working
group
as
just
like
getting
him
some
help,
because
I
mean
this
started
as
a
Google
summer
of
code
project
and
then
he's
just
kind
of
been
on
the
hook
ever
since,
and
so
maybe
there's
a
better
solution
for
that.
I
don't
know.
D
A
I
mean
you
know,
like
I,
will
say
90
of
the
time
it
works
great
and
fine,
it's
just
when
we
have
like
a
an
edge
case
that
we
didn't
expect,
and
then
it
kind
of
It
kind
of
just
you
know
shuts
everything
down,
though
so
it'd
be
great.
If
we
have
space
for
that
to
happen
and
also
to
keep
the
bot
going,
if
that
makes
sense,
yeah.
C
B
A
A
B
A
A
C
So
again,
the
Liaisons
are
a
role
in
the
chaos
Community
to
help
kind
of
bridge
between
our
different
context,
groups,
so
ospo
scientific
software
and
University,
and
then
kind
of
connect
any
new,
metrics
or
metrics
models
that
come
from
those
groups
and
kind
of
connect
them
with
either
the
metrics
models
working
group
or
the
Common
working
group,
so
that
they
can
actually
be
developed.
Because
a
lot
of
times
for
those
of
you
that
attend
osbo
or
University
or
scientific
software.
C
Those
conversations
we
don't
usually
drop
into
sharing
a
Google
doc
and
then
off.
You
know
working
on
that
Google
doc
in
the
meeting.
So
it's
really
just
kind
of
about
identifying
things
that
could
be
helpful
in
those
different
contexts
and
so
the
actual
development
of
the
metrics
we're
proposing
to
have
done
in
common
or
metric
model.
C
E
E
D
A
D
F
C
C
B
C
E
E
C
H
A
Reads
them,
and
quite
honestly,
it
takes
me
about
two
to
three
hours
to
do
them,
because
there's
just
so
much
in
there-
and
it
does
consist
of
you-
know,
summarizing
the
meaning
minutes,
putting
the
videos
out
like
I
kind
of
lump
all
of
that
together,
which
I
will
continue
to
do,
because
people
do
actually
read
the
meeting.
Summaries
and
I
think
people
do
watch
the
videos
but
I
like
cross
post
everything
everywhere.
It's
so
redundant
that
I'm
just
wondering.
A
B
A
A
Yeah
discourse
really
hasn't
worked
out
for
us.
I
like
it,
because
it's
like
more
stable
and
easier
to
find
than
slack
like.
That
was
the
whole
reason,
but
nobody
likes
it.
Nobody
looks
at
it
and
if
you
go
there,
it's
literally
just
like
a
post
by
Elizabeth
like
straight
down,
so
it's
like
the
Elizabeth
show
when
you
go
there.
I
C
I
do
like
the
I
like
monthly
and
even
making
it
lighter
weight.
Like
my
thoughts
were,
it
could
not
even
be
about
like
summaries,
it
could
be
like
hey
we're,
gonna,
be
at
all
things
open,
we're
gonna,
be
it.
You
know
the
member
Summit
here's.
What
some
of
us
are
talking
about,
I,
don't
know
right,
I,
don't
know
we
had
a
board
meeting
whatever
it
might
be.
Just
yeah
lighter
weight.
That's
not
just
so
I
like
that
idea.
That's
not
here's!
What
we
talked
about
this
week
in
this
meeting
yeah.
E
And
then
you
can
have
a
standard
set
of
links
that
never
that
never
change
that
are
always
the
same.
That
are
just
at
the
bottom.
Like
you
know,
if
you
want
the
Recaps
of
our
meetings
go
here,
if
you
want
to
watch
the
videos
go
here,
if
you
want
to
do
this,
go
here
and
just
have
like
just
just
standard
links
that
go
to
where
they
can
find
those
types
of
things
where
you
don't
have
to
edit
them
every
single
month.
A
A
F
A
J
Is
thought
here
is
I
mean
I'm
speaking
for
for
the
way
that
I
do
this
when
we
are
making
lists,
I
would
get
the
emails
and
I
would
actually
read
them
and
discourse,
because
I
didn't
have
to
click
on
a
link
to
go
somewhere.
I,
don't
I,
don't
see
it,
I,
don't
read
it,
and
so
I
know
there
is
a
way
to
set
up
Discord
that
it
functions
more
like
a
mailing
list
for
those
like
me
that
read
emails
and
would
prefer
to
have
it
in
there.
J
I
just
have
never
spent
the
time
to
set
it
up
to
subscribe
to
the
forums
or
the
threats
or
topics
that
interest
me,
and
that
was
the
idea
we
can
maybe
have
some
some
guidance,
maybe
on
the
newcomer,
but
welcome
Bots.
That
says
say
if
you
want
to
be
part
of
these
conversations
that
are
happening
in
Discord.
We
recommend
going
in
setting.
Yes,
you
want
emails
for
everything,
that's
get
posted
on
this
topic.
That's
makes
it
like
a
mailing
list
and
we
explain
how
to
use
discourse.
J
B
C
A
A
A
Of
having
to
go
through
like
meeting
minutes-
and
you
know
of
all
the
different
working
groups
and
stuff,
that
was
the
idea,
but
if
that's
not
actually
working
that
way,
that's
completely
valid
as
well.
So
and
to
be
perfectly
honest,
it
doesn't
really
take
that
much
more
for
me
to
do
it
in
discourse
than
I
just
copied
over
to
slack
like.
A
E
E
But
I
just
want
to
put
this
out
there
that
if
anybody
wants
to
have
a
look
at
the
questions
and
provide
feedback,
particularly
people
that
have
lots
of
experience
doing
surveys,
I
got
some
fantastic
feedback
from
Lauren
Lawrence
hacked
who's
done
loads
of
surveys,
so
that
was
super
helpful.
He
helped
me
reformat
my
questions
in
ways
that
made
a
lot
more
sense,
but
have
a
have
a
look.
E
So
if
you
have
any
feedback,
send
it
to
me
in
the
next
day
or
two
would
be
would
be
useful,
I'll,
probably
if
I
don't
get
it
out
on
Thursday
I'll,
send
it
out
on
Monday
just
to
avoid
sending
it
on
on
Friday
and
and
I
can
use
all
of
your
help.
Distributing.
The
survey
once
we
once
we
have
it
out
so
that
we
can
get
more
people.
E
Yeah
so
so
I
was
gonna
post
it
on
in
some
of
our
slack
channels,
in
particular
the
software
slack
channels,
Twitter,
Mastodon,
probably
probably
LinkedIn
as
well,
and
then
I
was
going
to
see
if
I
can
get
the
emails
from
past
chaos,
cons
and
email.
The
people
who've
attended
our
events
if
we
have
permission
to
email
them.
I
A
A
E
E
A
E
C
E
Yeah,
that
would
be
great
I,
mean
I,
think
that
would
probably
be
probably
the
first
first
agenda
item
I
suppose
for
for
this.
This
group,
but
the
other
thing
that
I
would
be
really
interested
in
having
in
some
of
those
working
groups,
is
how
how
other
people
are
using
data
science
based
approaches
with
with
chaos,
metrics
and
Chaos
data,
and
get
get
perspectives
from
some
of
the
other
other
data
data
scientists.
Data
analysts,
other
people
who
are
working
with
our
data,
so
I'd.
E
G
E
No
I
think
it's
all
right,
because
I
think
the
the
document
for
the
the
strategy
is
so
it's
less
of
a
strategy
right
now.
It
is
four
things
that
I
plan
on
starting
work
on,
and
none
of
them
are
dependent
on
the
understanding
challenges
survey
because
that
will
be
once
we
understand
those
challenges
that
will
kick
off
the
whole
next
wave
of
things
that
we
work
on
so
I
think
right
now,
it's
it's
mostly.
E
It's
mostly
just
kind
of
the
the
types
of
types
of
things
that
I'm
gonna
start
with,
and
then
we
can
see
kind
of
how
the
role
was
defined
and
what
sorts
of
things
you
said
we
were
going
to
do,
but
yeah
we
have
to
wait
until
we
do
the
understanding
challenges
before
we.
We
kick
off,
like
you
know,
hardcore
trying
to
trying
to
make
improvements
for
for
the
community
for
sure,
but
there's
some
other
stuff.
We
can
do
in
the
meantime.
E
Yeah,
a
ton
of
overlap,
the
the
people
doing
doing
research,
and
you
know
in
so
you
know,
assuming
that's
more
on
kind
of
the
academic
side
and
the
people
who
are
doing
the
data
science
work
within
companies.
I
think
that
there
are
a
lot
of
the
same,
a
lot
of
the
same
questions
and
a
lot
of
the
same
problems
and
a
lot
of
the
same
use
cases.
So
absolutely
I
would
encourage
those
people
to
attend
as
well.
C
E
I,
that's
a
good
question.
I
I!
Don't
have
a
good
feel
for
that.
I
think
that
there
are
probably
a
fair
number
of
people
in
the
hospital
working
group.
Who
probably
do
some
some
data
science,
some
data
analysis
for
sure
I,
don't
know
if
I
had
to
guess
I
would
say
probably
a
quarter
to
a
half
just
ballpark.
C
D
E
Yeah
I
think
there
is
definitely
definitely
some
overlap
and
I
would
certainly
I
would
certainly
love
for,
for
some
of
those
people
to
fill
out.
The
survey
as
well
so
I
will
certainly
share
it
with
you
know,
with
the
hospital
possible
working
group,
because
I
do
think
that
there's
there
should
be
a
fair
bit
of
overlap.
Like
I
said
we
won't
get
into
any
hardcore
data
science,
questions
or
topics
I
think
in
the
hospital
working
group,
but
I.
A
F
F
G
G
Folks,
who
are
experts
in
doing
this
kind
of
analysis,
and
the
scientists
are
the
folks
who
may
create
program
here
or
there,
but
don't
have
the
experience
to
maintain
and
sustain
it
and
build
community
around
it
increased
its
robustness,
the
kinds
of
things
that
software
Engineers
do
scientists
tend
to
act
as
much
code
as
they
have
to
to
get
their
paper
out.
If
that
makes
sense,
yeah.
E
A
lot
of
us
attend
both
of
those
meetings,
so
I
think
we'll
learn
pretty
quickly.
If
there's
too
much
overlap,
which
you
know
I
don't
know,
maybe
maybe
that
is
going
to
be
a
problem.
I
I,
don't
really
I,
don't
really
know
yet,
but
I
think
because
of
quite
a
few
of
us
I
think
attend
both
of
those
meetings.
I
think
we
should
be
able
to
learn
that
pretty
quickly.
That's
a
really
good
point.
A
G
It
would
be
very
easy
to
follow.
It
will
be
well
a
chocolate
chip,
cookie
recipe.
It
will
be
exactly
the
same
except
the
dateable
change
to
protect
the
Innocence
and
in
so
by
creating
these
endpoints.
Then
then
mapping
the
documentation
of
the
endpoint
start,
including
the
chaos
metric
definition.
We
can
also
include
in
the
chaos
metric
definition
Direction
back
to
the
API
endpoint,
which
gives
the
consumer
owns.
The
metric
definition.
G
Excuse
me
a
very
concrete,
a
way
of
understanding,
so
the
metric
is
kind
of
an
abstraction.
When
I
read
a
metric,
it's
not
entirely
clear
to
me
what
what
data
I
get
from
that
metric,
and
so
when
there's
in
the
metric
and
endpoint
that
says
they
can
show
you.
Here's
the
Json
file
that
you
get
that's
helpful
for
a
lot
of
people
and
when
you're
a
developer
and
you're.
G
Looking
at
the
array
of
metrics
in
auger,
getting
being
able
to
go
see,
the
definition
of
the
metric
is
helpful
for
knowing
exactly
what
it
is
that
you're
implementing
and
so
having
these
endpoints
then
of
course
helpful
for
metrics
models,
because
all
metrics
models
really
are
are
an
accumulation
of
metrics.
So
you
you
build
a
page
that
has
the
five
metrics
in
a
metrics
model
and
displays
them
in
some
way
and
and
then
then
you
have
a
metric.
G
So
that's,
that's
the
and
so
the
beginning
of
this
will
be
I'll,
lay
down
with
the
team
here
next
several
weeks.
Basically,
a
recipe,
here's
the
first
metric
kind
of
a
show
and
tell
and
here's
how
we
made
it
and
here's
how
the
whole
process
works
and
I
think
having
that
example
will
make
it
easy
for
new
contributors
to
do
something
concrete
and
satisfying
in
auger
man,
I,
don't
know
if
Matt
and
I
discussed
this
quite
a
bit
over
the
last
few
days.
C
I
think
one
of
the
real
hopes
here
is
to
build
community
around
software.
I
think
this
is
something
that
has
been
a
hope
for
over
over
the
years
and
so
trying
to
find
a
way
for
people
to
to
participate
in
in
the
software
development
in
in
meaningful
and
kind
of
task.
Driven
smaller
task
driven
ways,
and
the
hope
is-
is
that
asking
for
people
to
contribute
by
developing
endpoints
for
published
chaos?
Metrics
is
a
very
like
kind
of
small
consumable
task
that
would
enable
people
to
participate
and
contribute
to
the
agar
project.
C
I
also
think
that
that
trying
to
build
out
that
group
of
contributors
on
those
endpoints
would
not
only
help
in
the
software
Community,
but
then
allow
for
a
conversation
with
more
people
who
are
now
familiar
with
auger
and
building
these
endpoints
as
to
does
this
change
the
way
that
we
publish
our
metrics?
How
do
we
think
about
these
endpoints?
G
G
A
H
Yeah
I
put
that
there
but
I'm
sure
we
can
discuss
it
next
week.
It's
just
adding
to
all
that
all
the
previous
topics
before
now
on
understanding
who
is
using
our
metrics,
how
they're
using
it
and
possibly
where
they're
using
it
but
then
having
it
all
in
one
place,
so
you
can
always
just
go
there
for
reference.