►
From YouTube: CHAOSS Asia-Pacific Community Meeting - 11-18-20
Description
No description was provided for this meeting.
If this is YOUR meeting, an easy way to fix this is to add a description to your video, wherever mtngs.io found it (probably YouTube).
A
So
welcome
to
the
november
18th
asia,
pacific
community
call
it's
good
to
see
folks,
so
I
shared
the
minutes
in
the
chat.
If
you
could
add
yourself
as
to
attending
the
meeting,
you
can
tell
us
how
you're
feeling
today,
if
you'd
like
as.
A
A
A
A
All
right
cool
all
right,
so
I
wasn't
in
the
last
meeting,
I'm
happy
to
to
lead
this
one,
but
so
I
went
through
the
minutes
from
the
last
time
to
try
to
pick
out
a
few
things,
and
I
just
had
a
few
questions
that
I
might
want
to
run
by
people
and
just
see
their
thoughts.
So
maybe
the
first
is
thanks
to
king
for
getting
the
the
version
of
the
metrics.
Do
you
all
know
what
I'm
talking
about.
A
Yeah,
so
it's
pretty
cool,
I
really
like
it
and
I
think
I'm
gonna
add
it
to
the
webpage.
I
was
kind
of
curious
where
people
thought
we
could
add
it.
Let
me
bring
this
up
here
for
a
second
that
I
have
this
tab
open,
but.
A
A
A
D
F
D
A
G
It's
markdown,
you
you,
this
picture
was
generated
by
a
man,
man,
note
and
it
it
can
consume
a
mac
markdown
file,
and
then
you
can
just
edit
it
all
if
you,
if
there's
if
you
want
to
trench
some
words
or
something
it
just
updates
the
markdown,
but
but
at
the
same.
E
D
I've
downloaded
this.
I
have
something
that
generates
it
from
the
markdown,
because
I
searched
for
something
that
I
I
could
share
the
link
yeah.
D
C
G
G
Oh,
it's
a
markdown
file,
you
you
can,
you
can
use
it,
we
can
edit
them
and
then
we
need
to
use
that
software
to
generate
to
the
picture.
The
image.
D
D
A
Thank
you
so
anyway,
just
it's
a
to
do
for
me.
I
want
to
get
that
out
on
the
web
page
and
I'll
just
share
that,
so
it
was
the
thanks
to
king.
So
I
was.
The
second
point
I
have
on
the
minutes
was
just
about
this
call
in
in
general.
So
when
I
I
think
when
I
first
started
this
call
or
when
we
first
started
this
call,
my
thought
was
is
to
kind
of
just
recap:
some
of
the
things
that
were
occurring
in
the
community.
A
You
know
so
like
taking
the
community,
call
that
we
do
on
tuesdays
and
recapping
some
of
the
some
of
the
events
that
are
occurring
in
the
community
for
our
asia-pacific
members,
which
is
totally
fine,
but
also
it
seems
like
looking
at
the
minutes.
This
call
has
turned
towards
trying
to
understand
open
source
both
from
an
inner
source
perspective
and
from
an
ospo
perspective,
which
is
completely
fine
as
well.
A
So
do
we
wanna
do
people
have
thoughts
on
what
we
can?
What
we
should
be
doing
with
this
call,
because
I'm
happy
to
just
give
updates,
but
there
also
seems
to
be
something
more
here
with
the
ospos
and
inner
source
and
thinking
about
the
relationship
between
internal
and
external,
open
source
projects.
D
Yeah,
I
agree,
it
seems
my
rough
sense
of
things
is
that
it's
it's
there's
more
here
than
just
the
open
source
or
just
the
just
the
refreshing
on
the
things
we're
doing
here.
I
think
there's
a
distinct
interest
in
some
of
these
inner
source.
Things.
A
C
I
C
A
Yeah,
that
would
be
great-
I
mean
we
can
do
that
that'd
be
a
fairly
straightforward
thing
to
do
right
now.
Even
other
people
have
thoughts.
A
All
right
well
on
on
that,
could
we
in
the
document
here?
Could
we.
C
Yeah,
well,
it's
it's
about
bringing
your
your
goals,
maybe
maybe
you
are
involved
in
in
hospital
or
maybe
you're
involved
in
an
inner
source
office,
or
maybe
you're
involved
in
in
some
other
areas,
but
but
all
of
them
are
kind
of
related
to
chaos,
because
we
are
all
here.
So
how
is
this?
So?
C
What
would
they
like
to
see
as
an
output,
an
outcome
from
chaos
from
these
meetings
like
in
a
quarter
or
six
months,
so
each
of
us?
If
I
go
and
ask
king
or
xiaoya
or
dawn
or
william
or
someone
any
of
any
of
us,
we
have
our
own
schedule
of
actions,
probably
for
the
next
weeks
or
months.
So
it's
about
having
that
explicitly
here
in
the
document.
So
then
we
can
all
try
to
look
for
that
common
discussion.
A
A
F
F
D
So
matt
for
the
going
back
to
the
diagram
in
this
quiet
time
of
note,
taking,
I
I
think,
kevin
and
or
I
could
work
together
to
make
it
the
image
clickable,
so
it
could
actually
take
you
to
a
metric
like.
I
don't
think
that
would
be
very
hard.
There's
there's
tools
that
let
you
create
things
on.
D
D
D
F
D
A
Cool
all
right,
thank
you,
so
it
it
does
seem,
at
least
from
the
notes
here,
like
I
said,
from
the
notes
in
the
prior
meetings
that
there's
an
interest
in
talking
about
community
health,
metrics
kind
of
at
that
ospo,
and
then
thinking
about
how
those
can
be
useful
from
an
inner
source
perspective
and
also
from
an
open
source
perspective.
A
Do
people
read
that
differently?
I
do
not
okay,
I
actually,
so
I
think
this
might
be
very
helpful
too
don.
You
can
tell
me
if
I'm
wrong
from
a
to
do
group
perspective.
I
know
that
they
have
guidelines
with
to
to
help
ospo's
think
about
metrics.
That
might
be
useful,
but
I
don't
know
how
much
that's
been
developed
lately
and
maybe,
if
we
could
help
capture
some
of
that
conversation
to
contribute
back
to
to
do
that
might
be
helpful.
B
Yeah,
to
be
honest,
I
don't,
I
don't
think
we've
had
any
real
discussions
within
the
to
do
group
recently
about
metrics
in
particular.
They
do
have
some
some
guides
at
the
to
do
group
website.
B
A
There's
one
that
shows
like
the
gremore
lab
tools
pretty
explicitly,
but
you're
right.
I
don't
know
if,
like
the
title,
is
community
health
or
something
like
that,
it
might
be
like
things
to
think
about
when
you're
looking
to
engage
with
open
source,
and
so
I
personally
in
the
chaos
project,
I've
been
looking
for
a
way
to
connect
with
the
to
do
group
as
well
a
little
bit
more
explicitly,
and
I
think
it's
important
you
know
like
if
to
build
a
relationship,
it's
good
to
bring
things
to
that
group
as
well.
A
Say
what
can
what
can
we
do
and
put
the
burden
on
other
folks?
So
maybe
this
would
be
a
way
to
not
only
kind
of
articulate
what
what
we
could
look
at
from
a
metrics
or
a
community
health
perspective,
inner
source
and
open
source
wise,
but
then
also
bring
this
to
the
to
do.
Group
as
a
way
to
you
know
foster
that
relationship.
B
Yeah
yeah
the
challenge,
so
here's
the
challenge
with
that-
and
it's
probably
why
we
haven't
had
a
lot
of
interaction
directly
with
to
do
group-
is
that
kind
of
the
rules
about
the
to
do.
Group
is
the
only
people
who
are
allowed
to
participate
are
open
source
program
offices
and
explicitly
vendors
are
prohibited
from
like
engaging.
B
Rule,
yes
exactly,
I
mean
you
all
work
for
universities
and
we're
a
linux
foundation
project,
so
there
might
be
some
way
that
we
could.
You
know
I
don't
know,
do
something
jointly.
F
B
The
to-do
group,
but
I'm
the
these-
have
been
the
challenges
with
okay,
the
metric
stuff
working
with
the
to-do
group,
but
we
can
probably
find
a
way
to
do
it,
but
we
just
need
to
be
careful
about
how
we
do
it.
That's
gonna
be
how
we
appreciate.
B
C
Taken
we
the
way
I
see
this
may
happen.
If
that
makes
sense-
and
you
will
say
is
so-
we
have
a
kind
of
external
places
where
chaos
might
be
observed
interest.
So
the
to-do
group
is
one
of
them.
Inner
source
commons
might
be
another
one
of
them
and
there
are
some
other
places
right.
C
So
we
either
bring
people
from
those
communities
here
or,
if
there's
certain
interests
around
here-
that
there's
interest
for
us
for
or
for
inner
source,
then
we
can
start
building
and
discussing
specifically
around
metrics
that
matter
to
any
of
these
areas.
So
with
the
goal
of
either
extending
the
knowledge
that
it's
already
created
in
those
communities,
so
then
they
can
reference
back
would
be
good,
yeah.
B
D
B
Yeah-
and
we
can
find
a
way
to
do
that,
because
I
suspect
that
I
mean
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
the
people
who
run
open
source
program
offices
use
various
types
of
metrics
and
a
lot
of
them
are
based
on
chaos.
So
we
probably
just
need
to
make
sure
that
we
reach
out
to
the
right
right
people,
and
I.
C
C
Daniel
during
the
last
summit,
we
we
had
a
couple
of
discussions
around
metrics,
the
kind
of
metrics
they
are
using,
and
even
one
of
the
examples.
Well,
this
is
a
public
example,
so
this
public
video
is
from
comcast.
They
are,
I
think
they
are
part
of
the
to
do
and
it's
it's
about
the
metrics
they
were
using
and
how
they
were
using
in
their
source,
the
foster
open
source
to
scale
up
developers.
So
then
they
can,
they
can
go
and
do
much
more
open
source.
A
Gotcha,
okay,
that's
that's
cool
all
right!
So
then
this
this
leads
to.
I
thought
I
had
two:
do
you
ever
have
that?
Where
do
you
think
you
have
two
points
and
then
you
can
only
remember
one.
Oh.
A
What
does
health
mean
in
that
regard,
and
so
they
they
use
metrics
that
have
already
been
developed
in,
say
the
dni
working
group
or
the
evolution
working
group
or
the
value
working
group
and
say
it's
the
combination
of
these
metrics.
That
would
prove
useful
when
trying
to
gain
health
on
an
ecosystem,
and
so
we
we
could
follow
a
similar
path.
A
Where
we'd
say
listen,
we
already
have
60
metrics,
I'm
sure
some
could
be
developed
here,
but
we
already
have
60
metrics,
let's
think
about
how
some
of
those
metrics
could
be
brought
together
meaningfully
to
provide
insights
for
ospos
as
informed
by
by
people
who
are
in
the
ospos,
but
that
would
require
maybe
or
blend
itself
towards
renaming
this
group,
which
would
be
like
the
inner
you
know
the
ospo
working
group
or
something
along
those
lines.
A
D
I'm
curious
to
hear
what
their
what
our
asian
pacific
colleagues
have
to
say
about
that
like
because
I
know
there's
been
talk
on
this
call
before
of
having
an
asia
pacific
event,
and
so
I
don't
know
if,
if
there
is
like
any,
they
may
not
be
mutually
exclusive.
D
I
don't
know
how
to
say
it
like.
Maybe
it's
the
asia
pacific
call,
but
we
can
advertise
that
that
inner
source
is
kind
of
being
talked
about
a
lot
here.
Right
now
and-
and
you
know,
I
guess
my
question
is:
does
that
align
with
the
goals
that
king
and
willem
have
and
the
others
who
are
actually
in
the
asia.
B
Pacific
one
thing
we
could
do
is
get
better
about
having
agendas
in
advance
and
posting
those
agendas
to
the
chaos
list.
A
couple
of
days
before
the
meeting,
so
that
if
people
outside
of
asia
pacific
are
interested
in
hearing
about
whatever
it
is
we're
going
to
talk
about.
Like
you
know,
kscon
china
or
intersource,
or
interactions
with
open
source
program
offices,
then
other
people
could
could
join
us.
A
A
E
Yeah,
I
I'm
curious,
don't
foster
openly,
so
you
know
the
other
work
group.
The
time
zoo
is
basically
on
the
u.s
u.s
america.
It's
time
to
so
you
know
in
the
asia,
under
the
pacific,
other
countries,
some
of
the
contributors.
E
The
time
is
limit
to
join
the
meeting,
and
you
know
the
you
know
now
the
america
go
into
the
winter
time
you
know
so
later,
one
hour
than
before
in
the
summer.
So
I
think
this
is
this
meeting.
Can
we
can
talk
about
everything
on
this
meeting.
A
Okay,
so
what
I,
what
I
got
out
of
that
is,
is
also
within
the
calls
ensuring
that
we
talk
talk
about
chaos
too.
Not
just
a
total
focus
on
ospos
is
that
right,
king.
E
E
She
is
working
in
hospital,
so
she
can
teaching
us
and
we
can
learn
a
lot
from
her
and
we
can
feedback
some
metrics
in
our
company
we
talked
about
under
through
this
meeting.
We
can
feedback
the
summer
metrics.
You
know
the
last
one
months
I
I
created.
E
I
opened
three
issues
about
metrics,
so
that's
a
that's.
We
are
talking
about
in
internal
our
company
many
times,
so
I
created
this
issue.
I
think
it's
a
good
path.
This
is
a
good
platform
to
talk
about
the
issue
we
increase.
We
are
talking
about
in
our
company
and
we
can
feedback
to
the
chaos
and
we
can
share
our
best
practice
with
everybody.
A
Okay,
I
got
this
so
maybe
based
on
this
conversation.
A
H
B
Next
meeting,
so
that
we
can,
we
can
maybe
talk
about
some
of
the
stuff
that
you
know
that
the
issue
that
the
king
has
within
huawei
we
could.
We
could
talk
about-
maybe
maybe
there's
some
stuff
that
willem
is
interested
in
talking
about.
But
I
recommend
that
maybe
maybe
we
have
like
a
joint
effort
where
you
work
with
a
couple
of
the
people
from
we're.
J
A
All
right,
so
the
next
item
on
the
list
is
chaos,
khan,
china
or
chaos
con
asia
pacific.
A
G
Actually,
there's
a
innocence,
town
summit,
which
will
be
home
virtually
next
month,
which
was
whole.
G
It
is
housed
by
tencent,
so
I
I
think
we
can.
We
can
pull
some
ideas
from
the
innocence
summit.
G
It's
only
15
minutes
talk,
each
one
can
get
15
minutes
talk
and
we
can
pre
record
our
presentation
and
and
send
out
so
I
I
guess
we
can
follow
some
best
practices
that
they
already
have,
and
maybe
we
can
come
up
a
proposal
for
that
and
we
also
need
others
to
help
because
the
meeting
is
there's
a
lot
of
work
need
to
be
to
be
done,
so
we
we
need
help
from
the
community.
J
I
think
it
is
better
to
be
an
in-person
meeting,
because
I
have
a
lot
of
classmate
who
are
interested
in
kiosks
and
I
think
if
chaos
has
an
actual
event
in
china
and
they
they
will
definitely
attend
that
meeting.
But
if
it's
a
virtual
virtual
meeting
and
I
can
ensure
I
can
ensure
they
will
still
going
to
listen,
some
of
those
some
of
those
yeah.
D
F
B
We
would
struggle
to
get
experts
to
present
at
an
in-person
event.
We
could
do
some
sort
of
hybrid
where
some
of
the
presenters
were
virtual
and
the
attendees
were
in
person.
B
D
D
Yeah,
my
university
is:
they
want
to
prove
any
travel
right
now
to
anywhere
like
it's.
They
look
at
it
and
risk
as
a
risk
problem
for
them.
C
Just
to
mention
that
to
bring
some
more
context,
medicine
to
what
william
mentioned
before
the
at
the
inner
source
commons.
But
what
we
are
doing
this
time
is
kind
of
a
hybrid
model
as
well
where
so
we
have
the
well
15
minutes,
talks,
20
and
10
minutes
depending
on
keynote
community
doc
or
ruler
talk.
But
then
we
are
going
have
breakout
sessions
and
some
of
the
breakout
sessions.
C
Or
initially
they
were
gonna
be
in
chinese,
so
there
there
might
be
discussions
in
second
language.
Okay,
that's
something
new
so
and
the
tencent
people
what
they
are.
What
they
are
gonna
do
is
to
have
people
in
person
in
one
room
where
they
will
bring
translators,
so
they
they
can.
They
can
work
with
without
bi-directional
chinese
english,
english,
chinese,
but
most
of
the
discussions
and
everything
is
going
to
be
pre-recorded
as
we
mentioned,
and
then
it
happens
that
in
this
case
intention
it's
easier
for
them
to
have
people
in
a.
C
C
Okay,
but
if,
if
it
makes
sense
in
this
case
to
have
physical
presence,
then
people
that
are
allowed
to
to
be
there,
they
can
do
it.
The
only
perhaps
the
only
requirement,
if
we
ask
for
something
like
this
is
to
communicate
back
to
the
community
to
the
community,
but
what
they
were
discussing
about
kind
of
a
summary.
F
C
A
H
In-Person
portion
of
the
event
yeah,
I
I
guess
xiaoyus.
G
G
We
are
working
closely
so
so
we
we
had
a
regular
team
meeting,
just
like
a
cal
station
pacific
meeting.
So
so
we
cooperate
closely.
So
maybe
we
we
can
work
together
and
they
all
they
also
have
some
volunteers
from
the
university
they
they
help
to
to
to
host
this
kind
of
event.
But
I
I
think
we
we
can
talk
about
at
the
end
of
this
this
week.
G
We
we
we
have
in
person
meeting
so
so
maybe
we
we
can
talk
about
it
and
I
will
I
will
update
you
and
in
next
meeting.
If
that's
it.
A
That
would
be
great.
That
would
be
great.
Do
you
have
a
link
to
the
university?
What
university
it
is?
Okay,.
H
E
A
C
A
couple
of
weeks
ago,
I
think
we
were
discussing
about
liking,
ring
or
yeah.
A
Spring,
okay
and
then
willem
too
I'd
say
that
in
the
past
chaos
cons.
Thank
you.
They've
been
they've
only
been
a
single
day
and
to
your
point
we
would
in
the
chaos
project
we
can
help
with.
Like
calls
for
papers,
we
can
help
with
accepting
the
submissions
we
can
help
with
the
review
process,
help
meaning
kind
of
run
those
things
we've
run
them
in
the
past.
D
One
of
my
my
phd
students
is
actually
a
east
china,
normal
university
graduate
he's
a
professor
at
texas
tech.
Now
I
know
he's
china
normal
university.
A
All
right
any
other
thoughts
on
this.
It
sounds
like
willem's
gonna
talk
with
the
university
see
if
it's
possible
to
create
a
connection
between
chaos
and
the
university.
I
don't
think
it
needs
to
be
more
than
a
day.
That's
my
own
personal
take
and,
like
I
said,
we
can
help
a
lot
with
solicitation
and
collecting
the
submissions
and
helping
with
the
reviews
and
even
helping
with
secure
keynote
speakers.
G
Yeah,
I
I
I
think,
that's
just
a
quite
good.
We
can
hold
this
kind
of
hyper
virtual
meeting
early
next
year.
A
C
That'd
be
awesome
and
we
have
the
the
meeting
notes
from
the
21st
of
october.
Thank
you,
king
for
this.
We
mentioned
about
mainly
or
june
as
date
that
was
mayor.
Okay
and
another
thing
is
at
least
based
on
experiences
from
the
inner
source.
Commons.
C
So
if
we
go
for
a
hybrid
model,
maybe
we
can
go
for
like
I
know
an
hour
of
talks,
then
there
are
some
physical
breakout
sessions
and
then,
after
a
while
there
are
some
more
virtual
meetings
like
another
hour
or
crypto
talks.
So
then
we
allow
like
having
some
some
some
talks
in
a
virtual
way
and
then
some
discussion
in
the
physical
event.
C
So
then
people
calling
can
engage
either
the
physical
event
or
during
the
virtual
discussions,
but
then
for
the
people
that
are
fully
virtual,
then
they
will
be
just
for
the
for
the
meeting
and
perhaps
some
people
break
out,
but
no
more
than
two
or
three
hours.
A
E
C
It's
been
in
this,
the
last
the
last
two
and
the
next
one
in
in
in
apac
time
zone
friendly.
So
it
was
around
three
hours
and
then
two
days
and
then
it's
like
keynote
regular
talks,
breakout
rooms,
some
community
talks,
another
regular
talk,
perhaps
and
keynote
so
then
we
have
keynotes
at
the
beginning.
At
the
end,
some
discussion
in
the
middle
and
then
the
same
for
the
second
day.
So
keynotes
are
a
bit
longer.
C
Breakout
rooms
are
good,
for
you
know,
know
each
other
meet
the
community
and
so
on,
chat
with
each
other
small
groups
of
10
15
people
at
most,
and
then
you
go
back
to
the
discussions.
If
we
go
for
the
hybrid
model
we
can
go
for,
I
know,
talks
some
vertical
sessions
and
then
the
rest
of
the
day
is
physical
event,
but
then
people
that
are
beautiful
simply
left.
The
discussion.
B
B
A
D
G
Sorry,
I
couldn't
I
I
I
have
no
idea
about
that,
but
but
maybe
I
I
turned
to
the
the
the
universe
of
the
virtual
summit
because
I
will
fly
to
center
and
to
to
talk
with
the
tencent
guys
and
it's
a
very
good
opportunity
to
to
to
to
get
know
better
about
them
and
maybe
next
meeting
we.
Oh
sorry,
let
me
try.
G
Oh
next,
next
meeting,
I
will
give
you
some
back
feedback.
B
Yeah-
that
makes
sense,
I
mean
also
we
don't.
This
is
something
we
don't
need
to
decide
right
away.
We
can.
We
can
see
how
the
inner
source
commons
meeting
went.
We
can
see
what
the
pandemic
is.
Looking
like
in
a
couple
of
months.
I
think
we
can.
I
think
we
can
delay
the
the
decision
about
whether
it's
one
day
or
two
days,
if
we're
not
going
to
have
it
until
spring
anyways,
so
we
can.
We
can
spend
some
time
thinking
about
it.
We
can.