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From YouTube: CHAOSS Weekly Community Call May 16 2023
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You can find a recap of the meeting and continue the discussion on our Discourse thread here: https://chaoss.discourse.group/t/weekly-community-meeting-summary-may-16-2023/136
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C
Okay,
we're
recording
so
hey
everybody.
This
is
the
cast.
Community
call
we're
just
chit
chatting
a
little
bit.
This
is
May
16th
and
in
this
call
what
we
do
is
just
talk
about
stuff,
that's
pertinent
to
the
Holocaust
Community
for
anybody
who's
new
or
watching
this
recording
and
not
sure
what
this
is
all.
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A
C
To
my
kids
and
be
like
what
does
this
say?
Okay,
so
if
you
have
not
added
your
name
to
the
agenda,
and
you
would
like
to
do
so,
you
absolutely
can
and
tell
us
what
kind
of
shoes
are
your
favorite
if
you
have
a
favorite,
would
love
to
hear
it.
Oh
Crocs,
yeah
I
saw
I
think
it
was.
Amazon
has
a
sale
on
Crocs
right
now,
I'm
just
saying
it
wants
to
get
on
that
bandwagon
Merrell
slides.
What
is
that?
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B
So
I
mean
so
what
I
would
what
I
would
say?
I,
I
thought
and
others
can
fill
in
the
blank,
but
I
thought
Daniel
gave
a
really
good
talk
about
some
of
the
work.
That
attorney
is
doing
around
risk
and
evaluating
ecosystems
in
different
ways
and
I
thought
it
was
a
really
exciting
good
talk
about
some
of
the
future
directions
and
maps.
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B
Yeah,
the
auger,
the
auger
talk
permanently
focused
on
the
use
of
a
new
renewed
project
called
so
auger
is
now
using
a
front
end
called
eight
knot
which
has
been
developed
under
the
oss-as
Aspen
project,
and
it's
a
dash
plotly
front
end
that
allows
you
to
sign
up
for
your
own
account,
add
whatever
repositories
you
want.
If
the
data's
already
been
collected
by
someone
else,
you'll
see
it
right
away,
otherwise
agar
will
go
collect
the
data
as
fast
as
it
can
sometimes
a
couple
hours
if
there's
low
demand.
B
Four
different
sets
of
things
that
will
be
proposed
as
metric
models
at
some
point
and
also
a
number
of
Open
tickets
on
the
project
to
implement
the
metrics
models
that
have
already
been
defined
in
the
chaos
project
and
the
Really.
The
the
the
goal
is
to
make
chaos
metrics
really
readily
available,
with
the
click
of
a
button
and
the
creation
of
an
account
to
anyone
who
is
curious
about
it.
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B
There's
a
yeah,
so
there's
a
there's,
a
default
repo
in
each
case,
when
a
user
logs
in
the
one
of
the
changes
they'll
make
is
we'll
make,
you
can
always
see
your
repos.
So
if,
if
you
were
logged
in
you
could
see
all
the
repos,
if,
if
you
click
the
X
on
armbed
and
just
in
this
case
type
type,
the
word
Sean.
A
B
B
You'll
start
to
see
you
know,
contributor
growth
by
engagement,
and
we
have
active
drifting
in
a
way
which
are
parameterizable
and
you
can
Define
and
then
you
can
see.
We've
had
a
significant
growth
of
new
contributors
by
months
pull
request
activity,
pull
requests
over
time.
So
this
is
just
the
beginning
of
a
project
and
the
the
real.
The
real
advantage
of
the
eight
knot
project
is
because
it
uses
Dash
plotly,
there's
a
recipe
for
creating
new
new
visualizations,
that's
pretty
straightforward,
so
adding
dashboards
or
adding
things
should
be
pretty
easy.
C
B
And
this
is
one
of
the
things
we
talked
about.
Is
you
know
this?
Is
these?
Are
data
science
tools
and
you
know,
as
we
talk
about
data
science
being
an
important
and
growing
part
of
chaos.
These
These
are
the
kinds
of
tools
that
data
scientists
frequently
use,
so
it
would
be
from
so.
If
you,
for
example,
hired
a
data
scientist,
they
would
be
able
to
figure
out
the
overall
architecture
of
this
application
of
Dash
plotly
relatively
quickly,
because
they'll
already
be
familiar
with
a
lot
of
the
underlying
tool
sets.
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B
B
It's
taken
us
a
long
time
to
find
a
front
end
Frogger.
That
is
an
hideous,
so
we're
we're
proud
of
that,
and,
and
also
just
I
mean
I.
Think.
The
really
great
thing
is
you
can
create
your
own
groups
and
then
see
those
and
that
the
if
somebody
else
has
already
gathered
the
data
that
you
want,
that
you
can
see
it
right
away.
B
So
it's
a
shared
resource
that
doesn't
require
waiting
and
also
because
we've
accelerated
agar
a
lot
most
of
the
data
appears,
but
most
most
of
it,
like
I,
did
Azure
and
Microsoft
groups
during
the
demo
and
all
of
the
data
was
there
by
the
morning.
So
that's
like
7
000
repos,
so
we're
starting
to
see
some
real
real
good
performance
on
Gathering
data.
B
Why
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
and
actually
I've
had
I
had
a
conversation
with
Daniel
at
at
ossna
and
and
also
with
a
few
other
people?
And
you
know,
one
of
the
things
we
want
to
do
is
make
make
the
path
to
contributorship
for
projects
like
this
a
little
bit
easier
and
start
to
get
more
developers
involved
from
some
of
the
different
chaos
companies,
not
just
for
this,
but
also
for
petergia.
B
So
so
the
path
to
contributorship
is
something
that
I
think
I
think
has
to
be
defined
better
than
it
is
like
I
think
we
do
a
really
good
job
of
defining
the
path
to
contributorship
for
metrics
and
Metric
model
definitions
and
I.
Think
we
need
to
put
some
effort
into
past
a
contributorship
for
software,
so
yeah.
That's
that.
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B
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B
A
B
B
B
D
B
B
What
we
talked
about
in
the
talk
at
chaoscon
was
that
what
augers
really
evolved
into
is
a
really
solid
data
engineering
tool
for
handling
all
of
the
data
anomalies
and
API
timeouts,
all
the
hundreds
of
different
issues
that
routinely
occur
when
you're
getting
data
from
GitHub
or
gitlab,
and
this
the
second
thing
then
then
eight
knot
is
really
a
data
scientific
front
end
for
accessing
that
data.
So
in
a
sense
the
auger.
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B
D
I
had
a
comment:
Sean
So,
based
on
the
overview
that
you
were
just
kind
of
describing
about
it.
Could
you
go
back
to
the
tab
Elizabeth,
that
is,
that
Home
tab,
the
middle
one
yeah
so
like
kind
of
based
on
maybe
how
people
would
interact
with
this
and
kind
of
what
the
goal
of
this
is?
Where
would
that
information
be?
Would
it
be
in
the
info
tab
like
how
would.
A
B
A
that's,
that's
a
good
question
and
maybe
that's
a
question
for
the
designers.
You
know:
I,
don't
I,
don't
know,
okay,
what
what
you
know
I
think
probably
I,
don't
know
what
I
don't
know.
What
the
best
practice
is.
There's
I
think
the
ability
to
create
a
single
sentence
that
characterizes
the
purpose
of
it
at
the
top,
without
taking
up
too
much
space
I
think
probably
an
about
page
would
help
as
well
then,
possibly
a
link
to
a
Blog.
B
B
Yeah
and
and
so
yeah,
my
my
the
design.
So
if
you
want
to
get
real
specific,
the
the
design
that
I've
kind
of
laid
out
is
people
need
to
be
able
to
see
what
repositories
already
in
the
system
and
then
select
them
and
make
them
part
of
what
they
want
and
then
the
there
will
be
once
people
create
groups
for
their
themselves.
The
goal
is
to
have
up
to
four
buttons
next,
either
above
the
search
box
or
somewhere
that
a
designer
tells
us.
B
That's
correct
and
it
has
to
be
public.
You
could
install
it
yourself
and
if
you
have
tokens
that
have
access
to
the
private
repos
that
you
care
about,
then
you
could
use
those
tokens
to
to
use
this
for
private
repos,
but
we
can't
collect
private
repo
data.
Obviously
that
GitHub
doesn't
allow
that.
There's,
there's
also
a
metric
that
chaos
or
auger
gathers
now
related
to
Traffic,
but
again
there.
A
B
C
Let's
go
on
so
we
have
two
new
context:
working
groups
starting
this
week.
One
is
for
University
ospo's.
If
that's
your
thing,
it's
on
Wednesday
at
11,
A.M
and
the
second
one
is
the
scientific
community
on
Thursday
at
12
in
the
U.S
Central
Matt.
Did
you
want
to
say
anything
more
about
these
I?
Don't
have
a
ton
of
information
really
about
these.
D
No
hold
on
a
second
I
was
just
looking:
okay,
yep
so
basically
they're
very
similar
to
the
work
we're
doing
with
the
to
do
group.
So
taking
a
look
at
metrics
and
metrics
models
in
the
with
the
to
do
group,
it's
specific
to
kind
of
the
corporate
ospo
setting
and
as
universities,
I
suppose,
are
starting
to
develop.
D
Okay,
they
have
similar
questions,
but
also
unique
questions
to
University
and
scientific
software
communities
same
thing,
questions
about
how
to
to
think
about
metrics
and
metrics
models.
So
these
are
really
about
helping
these
specific
contexts.
Think
about
the
things
that
we
produce
in
chaos
and
how
they
are
applicable
in
their
setting.
C
D
E
I
just
feel
like
it's
somewhat
relevant,
so
it's
just
that
open
source
Summit
last
week
and
met
with
the
open
source
science.
Folks,
that's
been
if
you're
headed
by
IBM
research
and
I
didn't
know,
there
was
any
overlap
in
that
Community,
but
I
think
there's
somewhat
similar
objectives
in
terms
of
trying
to
create
more
Community
within
the
scientific
research
community
and
Overlook
and
open
source.
E
A
B
If
you
have
any
more
info
yeah
in
fact,
yeah
we've
we've
been
actively
working
with
a
scientific,
open
source
community
that
includes
the
whole
our
community,
as
well
as
a
number
of
scientific,
open
source
projects
that
have
been
sponsored
by
CCI
for
the
last
three
years.
So
we
we
do
have
quite
a
bit
of
traction
with
the
scientific
open
source
Community
already.
So
it
would
be
great
to
connect
with
those
IBM
folks.
D
Okay,
you
know
that
that's
great
thank
you
for
sharing
that
I
know
that,
like
even
outside
of
metrics,
sometimes
at
least
in
the
scientific
University
scientific
space
is
a
lot
of
scientists
are
not
Community
managers
and
they
don't
know
how
to
run
an
open
source
project,
and
so
the
complexities
that
go
along
with
that
and
the
amount
of
time
that
that
takes
and
more
than
just
open
source
by
license,
but
like
actually
community
building.
So
that
has
that
may
be
something
they
talk
about
as
well.
C
Okey-Dokey,
let's
go
on
chaoscon
Africa
registration
is
open,
so
if
you
are
in
Nigeria
around
Lagos
or
you
want
to
get
there,
here's
the
information
about
it.
I
believe
the
cfp
is
closed
now,
but
yeah
you
can
register
so
go.
Do
that
any
a
buddy
from
the
chaos
Africa
team
want
to
speak
to
this
roof.
To
light
my
bustling
anybody
anything
else
to
add.
C
C
The
first
kind
of
phase
of
this
is
going
to
be
this
Dei
dot.
Md
file,
which
we
have
developed
in
you
know
openly
in
those
meetings
and
also
with
some
input
from
All
In,
and
we
so
Matt
myself
and
Ruth
and
Sean
and
Demetrius
from
GitHub
are
going
to
be
on
this
panel
discussion.
So
if
you
do
want
to
just
listen
in
take
part
in
that
that
discussion,
here's
where
you
can
register.
A
C
B
C
C
A
C
C
C
F
C
C
D
And
so
suggestions
were
around
any
ways
of
trying
to
kind
of
Link
our
documents
or
try
to
express
you
know,
tags
or
comments
in
our
documents
that
might
be
useful
for
people
to
kind
of
search
and
look
and
find
things
that
are
happening
in
the
community.
I.
Don't
have
an
answer
for
that,
but
that
was
kind
of
the
request.
C
B
B
C
C
B
I
think
we
should
put
it
in
under
Community
yeah,
honestly
just
as
a
drop
down
under
Community,
because
that's
where
I
first
look
for
it
every
time
or
even
about
so
because
I
think
some
of
the
uptake
on
it
is
limited
just
by
the
fact
that
even
I
as
a
deeply
involved,
chaos
member
whenever
I
go
look
for
it
can't
find
it.
That's.
B
A
B
C
Does
anybody
back
to
the
Matt's
original
point
about
the
documentation
and
these
meeting
minutes
and
discussions,
making
them
more
visible
and
discoverable
I
mean
that
was
kind
of
one
of
the
reasons
we
wanted
to
get
discourses
like
so
stuff
would
be
a
little
more
visible
and
searchable,
as
opposed
to
slack,
which
is
like
even
worse.
You
know
it's
really
hard
to
find
stuff
on
slack
I
think.
But
what
do
we
think.
B
B
You
know
looking
at
link
weights
and
things
like
that
and
I'm
sure,
there's
other
Technologies
and
I
I
don't
have
a
recommended
like
search
search
tool
for
the
way
that
we
store
our
information
or
if
Google
Docs
is
actually
a
difficult
way
to
make
something
searchable.
I
I,
don't
know
enough
about
search
engine,
optimization
or
website
search
to
have
an
intelligent
answer,
but
I
agree
in
100
in
principle
that
that
would
be
great.
C
D
C
D
So,
and
we
have
a
lot
of
content
in
these,
but
it's
like
difficult
for
somebody
to
come
to
these
documents,
who
is
maybe
not
seeing
them
on
a
daily
or
weekly
basis
and
kind
of
follow
what
it
is
that
we're
trying
to
do
what
we
have
done,
what
is
going
on
in
the
future?
What
you
know
what
I
mean
like?
What's
maybe
experimental
like
this
is
kind
of
hard
and
I
mean
I,
would
I
totally
agree,
so
I
think
it
was
just
mostly
that.
C
Meetings
aren't
conducive
for
everybody.
Obviously
the
timing
is
kind
of
crap
for
some.
So
having
that,
like
that
thing
that
we
discussed
whatever
it
was
posted
somewhere
where
people
can
also
chime
in
there,
you
know
that
weren't
able
to
attend
the
meetings
or
maybe
watch
the
video
like
and
want
to
chime
in.
D
B
C
I
mean
like
so
at
the
end
of
on
Fridays,
usually
although
I'm
behind
bye
week,
I
think
I,
usually
post
all
the
recordings,
so
at
the
same
time
and
I've
always
I've
always
wanted
to
also
post
kind
of
the
summary
of
what
was
talked
about
in
the
YouTube
comments.
Usually
I
just
link
to
the
minutes,
then
I
just
say:
hey!
Here's!
Here's
how
this
meeting
went
right.
D
D
I
like
that,
and
even
if
it
it
just
might
help
us
think
through
it
a
little
bit
just
by
having
like,
if
you're
doing
that,
you're
like
I'm
trying
to
do
this.
But
it's
it's
silly
because
you
know
whatever
XYZ
is
just
not
working
the
way
I
was
wanting
it
to
work,
and
so
I
like
that,
just
because
it
might
help
kind
of
expose
things
that
we
could
do
or
things
that
don't
make
a
lot
of
sense.
C
E
I
mean
I
generally
kind
of
like
that,
because
they
would
ensure
that
we
've
come
to
a
focus
at
the
end
and
say
what
do
we
talk
about
so
and
if
that
also
makes
it
easier
for
you
to
populate
that
and
the
summary
I
don't
I.
Don't
think
that
would
be
too
uplift
for
the
folks
that
are
participating
versus
forcing
you
to
figure
out
what
we
talked
about.
So.
C
C
D
C
D
B
C
D
C
C
D
Open-Ended
would
just
be
like
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
even
know
what
that
is,
but
like
something
that
we
something
that's
not
over
like
something
we
haven't
done
and
we
don't
really
plan
on
doing.
But
it's
just
kind
of
out
there
as
a
potential
topic,
and
maybe
we
don't
need
to
have
anything,
maybe
we
just
say
closed
and
in
progress.
Maybe.
C
A
D
A
B
There
is
a
rainbow
that
underlies
it
it's,
it
was
just
released
on
Twitter
like
three
days
ago
and
so
I
have
I've
only
exploited,
explored
it
briefly
and
I've
already
got.
You
know
the
whole
discussion
that
we
had
at
chaoscon
about
ecosystems,
I
I,
really
think
you
can
Define
certain
things
automatically,
but
I
think
for
most
companies
and
Community
managers.
The
ecosystem
doesn't
nap
neatly
to
these
I
think
language
or
purpose
kinds
of
things,
but
we're
on
a
nice
little
archipelago.
I
guess.