CHAOSS Weekly Hangout, 26 Sep 2023

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Meeting minutes can be found here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PMDWc6xMe0fNE7shxTK5_HE_ykRBG5w55_Zx5hvzsEY/edit?pli=1#heading=h.ikzm79zdzwlh

A

Hello, it is um September 26th, it's Tuesday. You are here with the chaos Community weekly, hangout I'm Elizabeth, even though it says I'm the whole Community I'm. Not I am one person in the community, but I am the community manager, so I'm Elizabeth. For those who don't know me um yeah, just a quick reminder that this meeting, as all chaos meetings, are under the chaos code of conduct.

A

So keep that in mind and if you need to read through that you're, not sure what that says, um you can find that on our website, so give it a look um just basically yeah. You know you know how to act. Hopefully thank you for sharing.

A

Yes, here we go awesome. So here are the minutes. If you need them dropped in chat, we are happy to do that and of course we um welcome participation from everyone in this meeting. I facilitate, but it is an open meeting. So if there's something you want to add to the agenda, you are absolutely welcome to do so. uh You can participate either on the chat. If you don't want to turn your mic or camera on. um You know we're really flexible here for those who don't know so um yeah.

A

This is a community meeting, so everybody's welcome.

A

um If you have not told us what language you would like to learn, we would be interested I know, and we were talking earlier that the harder ones would be good for the instantly part. This is the key word right here for me anyway, um yes, I mean I. Think languages are very, very interesting. I don't have that natural I think some people have a natural inclination for learning them. Maybe not I, don't know I. Don't have that. So you know um okay. So, let's start for those who were at osseu last week.

A

um Just thought I would give some space on the agenda to tell the community how it went. I know we had some chaos related talks. We had a lot of chaotics there. So if somebody wants to jump in and let us know how it went, that'd be great.

B

I I thought it went great, um I have I, actually have a blog post. That uh should should be able to go out. I guess maybe maybe tomorrow or Thursday and I'll do kind of a wrap up some of the different different talks, uh but it was yeah. It was really great. It was you know: I got to meet yahui for the very first time um in person, after working with him for many years in the chaos project, so that was that was really really fantastic.

B

It was kind of a highlight for me, but I feel like the chaos project was really well represented. We had a bunch of folks in the chaos project were giving talks, which was great.

B

um The first thing I saw walking into the convention center and you go down in an escalator into the show floor. The very first thing I saw was the petergia booth.

C

Good placement.

B

Prime uh Prime placement so that that was great, um Daniel and Enrique gave us a little little tour of uh Bilbao and and helped us eat little little food on sticks, the the pinch does or pinched I can't say it, um something like that uh and yeah. It was just. It was just really really great.

B

I don't know if and ildica was there too I don't know eldico if you have any any thoughts on the the conference.

D

um I share everything that you said um to me. Just in general, the event felt more lively than the North America version of it in May in Vancouver.

D

um I personally had a lot of meetings this time around so I had a little bit less opportunity to check out the conference part of the conference, but in general um again the sessions were I. Think uh much better attended.

D

um I saw that the the ospo track, for instance, was usually full when, when I stumbled into the room, so I I think that it was a. It was a great conference overall and everything else. On top of that down set.

E

Was there like a Hot Topic this year.

D

Ai and um the mess around open source in Europe, and probably everywhere, like the CRA and other government type things that pose some challenges. That was my main takeaway in terms of Hot Topics, okay,.

F

B

The Cyber resiliency act, the CRA staff was, it was a pretty hot topic. They had a a hashtag um to try and encourage people to I, don't know to Make Some Noise about it, because it really is kind of bad for open source projects and the policy people in the government.

B

Don't really don't really understand that, and so there's there's been kind of a push from open source organizations around that, um in addition to AI, um which ildiko mentioned I think that there was also there are also a lot of discussions around um licensing and sort of this new wave of open, yet not open source.

G

B

The license changes and the impact on the communities so I think that there was a fair bit of talk around that as well.

F

E

F

E

Was the AI type like that's such a broad topic? No.

B

I felt like AI sort of cut across a whole bunch of talks, like lots of people mentioned AI as a part of their their talks. I don't know ildiko if you have a different perspective on that, but it felt like there was a lot of content.

C

Is it like all large language models or AI, more broadly construed,.

D

Also generative AI I think it's just I think at this point everybody is trying to figure it out whether it's the uh the language models or or any other parts of AI how to use it, how to rely on it, how to regulate it, how to anything about it. So uh in that sense it just it just popped up everywhere: I I think people probably also felt that that you know they are not cool enough if they don't say AI in some context,.

C

Oh, absolutely, that is endemic and.

B

Even even a lot of the the hospital track, talks talked about um AI from the standpoint of you know. How do you create policies that talk about how people can or cannot use AI when it comes to their their companies or their open source projects?.

C

Yeah I've heard several companies are not allowing the use of AI until they figure it out.

F

B

Well, there are some real barriers right, so the US government has said that anything that is um is written by an AI is not copyrightable.

F

C

F

B

You don't know the provenance of it right. So if I I take, you know something written by a copilot and put it in my product. um Where did that come from yeah.

C

No tremendous tremendous risk so.

B

E

That's super interesting thanks thanks for that, and um how was the the uh two other things the crowd you said it was pretty good. I was just always kind of curious how that Ebbs and flows from conference to conference.

B

Yeah I talked to Angela. She said I think she said that it was like 12 or 1300 people. Don't help me on that, because I could be I could be wrong, but I think that's what she.

E

D

E

D

I mean, in my opinion, there was a good mixture of Usual Suspects, as well as new people and, in my experience, the Europe events. These days are better attended for whatever reason, both the both in terms of people from the region as well as just people from elsewhere. Somehow Europe events organized in Europe seem to be more accessible globally. At least that's that's the trend that I've been seeing I, don't know if John shares this observation or if it's just me.

B

I find it hard to tell, because the Vancouver conference was in, that massive venue, where everything was really spread out and I'm, not sure how much of it it felt very lightly, attended and I'm, not sure how much of that is my perception based on the massive venue and how much of that is is reality, but it did the yeah. The Europe one felt a little livelier.

D

For other events, too, it just kind of feels, like the events, are buzzing more in Europe.

E

And then maybe my last question was was: um did you hear anything about insights at all, I'm, always curious? How effects insights is represented here just as a part of our landscape? You know what I mean, so we have a bunch of things that I'm always kind of keeping an eye on.

B

A

Don't remember anything about it me.

D

C

Okay, cool yeah; they were prominent in Austin and in Vancouver. So that's.

E

Why yeah I know yeah prominent in Prior and I was wondering what the what it was like here? Okay,.

A

Any final thoughts or questions.

E

So gay Eric said European architecture is more Community focused.

B

This venue was like, like that, M.C Escher, painting or drawing with all the stairs that's what this venue was like I finally, had it figured out on the last afternoon of the last day, wow.

D

I mean it was, it was not conference friendly. In my opinion, I mean yeah. They were like I, don't know: 50 elevators, not every elevator going to every floor is just stairs everywhere every direction and it was like yeah, Dolly and other paintings. It's just. It was really hard to find your way around it and when you had to like Rush from the session to a meeting or find a session in a talk, the way Corner through a cafeteria yeah. Sometimes it felt like searching for a speakeasy when I was searching.

C

What a great ideology? I love! It.

D

Just my two cents.

E

That's funny Speakeasy yeah.

D

Maybe they had one I just didn't find it.

E

Somewhere in there.

A

All right: well, thanks, thanks to Don and ildiko too, for that wrap up, that's awesome and Don. We look forward to reading your blog post if I can help with that, of course, don't hesitate to. Let me know how I can help you get that out on the website. No worries, okay, let's go on, so we are going to be at all things open.

A

In a couple of weeks, we are going to have a I think it's a table not a like a booth uh with like the curtains around but I think it is a table, I'm actually not sure, we'll find out um we.

A

So when we did fossee, we realized that we wanted to have some QR codes printed um just on paper at the table, so people could easily um find website stuff um or links to things on chaos, because all we had really was the link to fill the form out to get the Lego Globe, which we are also doing again, um but then there was also. We just had the website printed on our big sign, so there wasn't really any easy way for people to um to reach us.

A

So I just want to throw this out to the community to see what if we had any other ideas, um definitely we want to have a home page. I was wondering if you think we should have a slack link, I thought that might be helpful for people to join our Slack.

A

um Was there like? What else are we missing or what would be? Do you think helpful for folks.

C

Certainly, the slack is where a lot of things take place.

A

Like I wasn't sure if you know linking to the quick start for new contributors like is that too much I don't know I don't want to overwhelm people, but.

C

I mean the quick start, is another helpful place and not a lot of pro. Not every project has that so I think it's something that's useful that we offer.

A

I didn't know: oh yeah go ahead. That's.

C

A

And do you think we need a link to just like our metrics page or anything like that?.

C

Is that covered I I'm trying to remember what's in the quick start, but I think you get to navigate to those from the quick start and my only reluctance about like. If we offer too many things, then it's confusing right.

A

Yeah yeah totally agree totally agree: okay, well, we'll try these three and we'll just have them listed on and then we'll see you know we can also yeah okay, cool thanks. Everybody and I also wanted to just throw that out there I see um Matt is going I'm going I think Gary's going ildiko's going. We do have a channel um that I kind of repurposed from past conferences uh in slack, so I'll just make sure that you're all added to that.

A

So in case we want to like grab a coffee or some thing as a chaos group, and we can organize it that way. I also wanted to ask: if there was any, um we still do have tickets I'll, just throw it out there one more time, if any, if any um does have free time in their schedule and they want to go, we do have some tickets available. You just have to get to to not Charlotte Raleigh.

A

You have to get to Raleigh um on your own, but and pay for your own hotel and all that, but we do have tickets. If you want so I want to throw that out there too, and also ask if there was any other any other thing that we need to talk about. Just so we're ready for all things, open, I, think things.

E

A

Yeah I have um a tablecloth on order with the big chaos. Okay,.

F

A

On it, since at Fosse it seemed like that would have been really helpful just because there was a lot of space in between our table and just open area. So it would have been helpful for people to see that so yeah and I do have those Lego Globe here as well.

C

So we're going to do.

A

C

We need to start, we need a Lego Star, Wars ship, the thousand dollar ones.

A

Yeah you want to pay for that. Sean.

C

No I, don't I, don't but I think Matt does I. Think Matt was telling me the other day he wanted to buy it.

A

Yeah I laughed on the uh open Collective, because I submitted the request for the reimbursement yeah and they were like, so they had to add an extra comment just to make sure in case anybody was like yeah.

C

I'm not enriching my Lego collection personally here, it's like probably the question right, yeah.

E

Exactly so, maybe like on the conference while we're on conferences here, so we had we've. There has been a conversation a little bit about fosdem.

C

Yeah that started last week, I think we probably.

E

Want to start surfacing that, because October.

C

I think I think that Don did you say that the deadline was in December or am I remembering that wrong.

B

The the deadline for stands is in December. They have not yet announced the dev room um deadlines.

B

um Those those will be due much much quicker actually than the stands.

E

You would think just to get the schedule going. Yeah.

B

Yeah there was a usually usually the Denver and proposals are due late, October early November, because that gives people basically a month to open their have their cfps open for the dev rooms.

C

There was a discussion that Daniel started in slack about how, when grimoire lab did have a Dev room, it was tied to University, work and I'm wondering if uh perhaps we can frame our Dev room that way to potentially increase the likelihood of it being accepted.

B

Yeah I I, like that idea, um one thing will have to be I, think I. Think part of the problem that we've had in the past is we. We don't want it to be too Project Specific because it won't get accepted because chaos isn't isn't a big enough project like they can have one. That's python specific, that's a massive project that.

F

Sounds big, it can't.

B

Be it can't be chaos specific um and we need to be careful to avoid overlap with some of the long-standing debris, so I could see it being declined, because if it looks too much like the community Deborah or if it looks too much like there's a there's another, there are I think a couple of data.

B

Dev rooms have been in the past like there's one that was like HBC, big data or something, um and they might have had I can't remember last year if they had anything around AI, um but I think we just need to be careful to position it so that it looks different from the ones they typically have. So it's probably worth us going back and looking at the dev rims the last two to three years, yeah.

H

B

The descriptions for any that might overlap with us and making sure that we write it in a way that it doesn't but I think the easiest way to do. That would be to focus it more on universities and, if I, don't know Sean. If you and Matt wanted to kind of take the lead on that yeah.

C

I mean I can I can frame a Dev room that incorporates things that are chaos, maybe don you and I can talk about that. One yeah.

B

We're together, yeah I'm, happy to happy to help work on it. I think we can. We can start working on it now. The proposal we know we know it'll be open shortly. Do.

C

We know I mean I've been proposed one before do we know what the format of The Proposal is.

B

I I, don't remember: I I used to run the config management Dev room ages and ages ago. um It's not it's not onerous. It's it's I would look at the descriptions from past ever.

C

B

Do something about that length? There may be a few other things that they want from us, but I think that'll be the the biggest bit that we have to write. Okay,.

A

So, for those who aren't familiar with fostem, it is a conference that happens in Brussels in February early February every year, and we typically if we can do a chaos con attached to that.

A

um But I don't is that. Would that be the same as the dev room or.

C

Is that, oh that's just it's like that, would the the dev room would be part of fasdum, whereas chaos con is like an adjacent meeting.

B

Yeah and the chaoscon is very chaos specific um and the dev room can't be chaos. Specific it'll have to be more General and.

C

I think there was a discussion of it being on Thursday instead of Friday, so as not to conflict with I forget what.

B

uh Yes, to have chaoscon on Thursday, instead of Friday, to avoid conflicting with the open, Forum Europe, um open source policy meeting.

A

So is this: is it for sure that we want to do a chaos con? Like? Is this something we need to start thinking about? Actually organizing yeah.

E

Muslim is a great place to do a chaos con yeah, I.

B

Don't know Garrick, do you have the bandwidth to look at venues again because I know you've you've got some contacts.

F

H

You see on yeah I can reach out to the same place. We had last time. I, don't have the bandwidth to go shopping around.

C

I mean I think now that we know how the place we had last time operates. We can provide clearer instructions on how to get to the different rooms, so I.

E

Mean I liked the last place. It was big too, but it had nice windows and I thought it was pretty nice yeah.

C

So the only complaint I heard was people had a hard time finding it at first.

E

If you wouldn't mind just reaching out and seeing if it's available on that Thursday and if the answer is no, then you're done yeah.

C

Yes, you're done yeah one way, yeah one way or another you're done.

B

We could always go back, there was, there was a place. We did it uh a couple of years ago, which.

C

Is not the Ibis Hotel? Oh.

B

Yeah they're away it.

C

Was hot? Well, we filled the room was quite full yeah, but.

E

Yeah so Gary yeah, if you could reach out to the the I, forget the name of the hotel, but.

B

Yeah, maybe maybe copy copy a few of us, maybe yeah.

H

B

Matt Elizabeth and I. In that way, we.

H

E

H

E

And then maybe Elizabeth you and I could start working on chaoscon I put in the there was a chaoscon channel through I. Think.

F

E

I think whoever is putting forward the dev room should not be the same people doing chaoscon. Vice versa, like yeah way too much to ask one person to be involved in both of those yeah.

C

I think that would pose some bandwidth challenges. I think you're right like.

E

If the bedroom gets accepted, that's going to be a tremendous amount of work, I think I, don't know actually I, don't know what it's like dealing with the.

B

Fuzz, it's a ton of work yeah because they have their own system for things which is uh not intuitive and not easy to manage and.

F

You have to run.

B

The whole cfp process and there's a a way of doing things, um yeah I'm.

F

B

Help out I'm actually happy to help out on the dev room side, because I have done that before. Okay.

E

So that was going to be my question like a suit like, under the assumption that it wouldn't be accepted, you're, okay, with the next phase. That would be all the work that goes into it. Yeah.

F

Okay, I could do that. Okay,.

C

Okay um and I I would be I, would love to participate in the next phase too so and I can help frame it. So it's more likely to be accepted. Okay,.

E

So um so it sounds like Sean and Elizabeth are seanan I'm, sorry um on the dev room and.

F

Elizabeth and myself on and.

E

Slash aorg just for the hotel for chaoscon Elizabeth, you and I have done chaoscon, often enough. That I think we should be okay and if.

F

Anybody would like to participate.

E

With either helping with chaoscon that'd be great we're helping with Dev room. That would be great as well.

A

Yep and for those who might be new to the community once we kind of start rolling with uh chaos con or as it gets closer, we'll chop this meeting off at half past and then we'll take the rest of the meeting, the last 20 minutes and work on organizing that chaos con just that's usually kind of how it goes. So um you can look forward to that and if it and like Matt, said if anybody does want to help just let us know we can add you there's a.

E

Two on chaos, kind of already Sophia and Anita.

A

Awesome, do you all want to just add your names here to the agenda? Is that okay yeah anybody that wants to help I can add Sophia and then whoever else and I'll make sure you're all in the chaos comp planning channels, Channel.

E

And then I had just one last thing: um Ruth I, don't know you're on um I, so for a lot of people can't attend all of these conferences and I, know I. Think, there's a chaos Africa update later I, don't know. If you're going to talk about um the the conference, that's going to be in Angola and I.

E

Would I really want to work with you to send you like a box of t-shirts or something or hoodies that you can distribute just to make sure everybody's getting all things that might want the things all things: chaos, Swag, yeah, just send a box I! Think that's going to be the easiest way. Yeah.

G

I think so too. That would be great. Maybe we can start like if you're going to send the Box. We can start the process already because, like so it gets here. I.

E

Will I'll send you so after this I'll send you a link to the brand site that we use? You know what I mean like where you can like pick things to be branded. Chaos.

E

um Here, I'll listen here, it doesn't really matter. Do.

G

You have do you have the uh already printed.

E

No I'll have to have it printed. I.

G

Have something maybe just to cut costs on like the shipping or because, like it costs quite a lot, if they're not already printed, I could print them here, okay on my own, and then we just get reimbursed for like the amount it was printed so like it will cost quite a lot if you're not using when you're, using that for the mailing okay.

E

Let me um I'll talk to so. Yes, let's do that. um I, just I need to talk to my people here on my end, just in terms of how we would do that like logistically with money, but you and I can sort that out.

G

Yeah, okay got it. Yes,.

E

I mean the the best part would be is if the company that you work with could just send me an invoice because then I can just pay that and there's no like reimbursement necessary. You know yeah.

E

So I'll find out about that. If you maybe if you could send me a few companies that you would work with potentially.

G

As well yeah that.

E

Would be helpful and then I'll just find out if it's, if there's any issue with adding them as a vendor,.

F

E

And then we can go from there.

G

E

A

E

Would there be.

H

A

um Way to just use open, Collective, yeah.

E

Possibly yeah they're, like all the all the variety of different sources. um I. Let me see if I can do it here. First, just money-wise, because then we can make a few dollars in open Collective.

F

E

An LFX like their only reimbursements, so that's the problem with LFX yeah, the crowdfunding platform.

E

um Has anybody have you? Has anybody sent an invoice to open Collective? Can you do.

A

E

Think Ruth has.

A

I, that's how I get reimbursed I, don't send an invoice I send a request for reimbursement, no.

E

Yeah I'd, rather just send an invoice like, so the company would send an invoice to open Collective that way. Nobody has to pay anything like that. Not.

H

A

I think actually um I wonder so Ruth when we did uh I forget Google season of docs was that put through as an invoice to open Collective. Do you remember.

G

Yeah I put it as an easy voice like for Google seasonal dogs. Yes,.

H

F

E

Maybe open Collective, maybe here one.

F

E

Or the other, we can sort it out. Okay, cool thanks.

A

um The next one on the list, I just wanted to give everybody a quick update on our project manager team. We did switch meetings again, sorry to Mondays, so I know we try not to have meetings on Mondays at chaos, but um you.

F

A

What worked chaos Zoom time is getting a little tight, so um so yeah we decided to just do it on Mondays, which is fine, and um we have a great fantastic, wonderful team of folks who are on on that. um Yiga is absolutely a superstar. Is she on this call?

A

Yes, you are a superstar, because yiga has put together a best practices DOC for us for those who are interested in doing project management, but don't have a lot of experience or I. Don't have like a certification or anything like that. So we are gonna. um Yes, Matt, no Friday meetings, absolutely no, absolutely not no I will I will die on that. Hill, yes, um I was gonna, see if I could find. I should have pulled this up.

A

uh Yeah yeah, let's see if I can find this here, because this Doc is amazing and you could just put this together for us, so this is kind of going to be the process that we follow when we have a new project, we're going to create a form. That's gonna ask the person who has the idea for a new project what these things are and then we're gonna.

A

Take it from there and each project is going to have two project managers and then a technical, lead and or a knowledge lead, and we have a spreadsheet of what projects have been opened, and things like that already so um yeah. So, to give you an idea too, of one of the projects um there. Oh I thought we linked to that. Ruth opened one an issue in grimoire lab about cleaning up some of the docs and repos. So that's going to be kind of one of our projects that we help out with.

A

So you get busio they're going to be the project managers they're going to work together with the with Ruth, who is the technical, lead and knowledge lead on that to create the work plan like what needs to be done, who's doing what? Let's open some issues? Let's let other people jump in we'll label them property properly.

A

um Yeah make sure that we're kind of keeping everything on track. So I'm really excited about this part of chaos. It's going to make things so much more organized and um just together, everything's going to be put in GitHub project board, so everybody's going to be able to see what's going on with things we're going to be as transparent as we possibly can, because, as we know, people come and go in chaos as any open source project and that's a challenge. I think for every open source project is to yeah the handoff part and.

H

Making sure that.

A

There's an enough coverage for everything, so that's also another reason why we wanted to have two project managers on every project, um yeah just to make sure that it's not all down to one person, it's a team effort and then the knowledge and Technical leads also will be the ones to help sort out the actual tasks that need to happen.

A

um So, yes, so um huge shout out to yiga for putting that together um and she just made it happen in like a day not even a day. It was the same day same day. We had the meeting. She.

C

Was like yeah I'll just put that together, that's incredible: okay,.

A

So we are gonna, probably I would imagine we would want to add that to our knowledge base in some way um we gotta figure that out part that part out but yeah. So great.

E

I have a question on this, so the best practices, doc I, love it, and it would be a form that a person would fill out in hopes of starting a new project. Is that correct? Yes,.

A

Yes, so um the form we haven't it's up to me to create it which I haven't yet that's.

E

A

Gonna ask about these things.

H

A

Like who you are what's the project about, what are we trying to do and who else has spoken up and said they want to be interested things like that, so.

E

Would um would this form be approved, I, I kind of like that idea to be honest with you as we get bigger or there will be some like? Maybe the project manager group reflects on it, yeah yeah.

A

E

Ahead, that's like I, don't know about this project like it seems a little not like a great idea or ill-conceived yeah.

A

Yeah, that's a great point. We haven't discussed any criteria or anything like that. um As far as like approval to get a project started, um I guess that's. We should maybe add that to the agenda for next time of how that will go because.

E

We've always just kind of used like because he consensus here in chaos just.

F

E

This meeting and we talk about it whatever it might be for a while and if it starts getting traction, it just kind of stays alive and if it yeah.

C

Fuzzy consensus make it sound more sophisticated than I. Think it is you.

E

Know what it is I.

A

Would say, that's that's valid. That's a.

E

That's a phrase: isn't it I.

F

Thought that was yeah.

C

Oh, maybe it is.

A

um Yeah, so we'll talk about that, maybe we do require some kind of conversation about something about an idea before it gets to the form.

H

A

Just like a logistical thing to get it going for sure, maybe we have.

E

um Lazy consensus, yeah.

C

E

Whatever yeah fuzzy lazy, yeah.

C

Lazy that that uh sounds about right he's trying to talk smart. There.

E

For a while, but whatever.

E

That is what we use.

B

And to be fair loads of Open Source projects, use lazy consensus.

A

B

Things like this like if it's super important, maybe it goes to a vote but I think it's it's kind of the the way we the way we do.

E

Things yeah things just they kind of start small and they just kind of if people are willing to pick them up, and nobody has a big objection right. Yeah.

A

Yeah and maybe um you're right, though Matt as we do grow like we only have a limited number of project managers too. So we don't want to overload that team either so um yeah, maybe maybe that is something that lazy consensus is fine, but maybe like a overall bigger criteria, I don't know yeah. We can talk about that on Monday.

A

um Okay, awesome thanks everybody.

A

uh The next thing on here is also yiga, who is again freaking amazing, um so she and Victoria are doing the accessibility audit and it is also listed on our list of projects, so they also do have two project managers that are not them that are helping sort it all out.

A

uh There is an issue here that I opened in the website um repo just to kind of bring it up and make sure that it's like documented somewhere, um you get I, don't have a link to that awesome spreadsheet that you have I, don't think it's here either.

A

Do you want to um link that here we would I would love to show everybody I! Think it's just stunning.

I

Okay, thank you. Elizabeth um I'll link, it real, quick, I'll drop it in the chat.

C

A

You would you rather share your screen, so you can talk about it. I'm happy to share, but if you want to.

I

um So um I'm, currently outside and I'm, not with my um laptop or my iPad, so I kind of share my screen right now. Okay,.

A

No worries chats yeah I thought we had it here in the thing, but we did not so.

A

Yeah, so you guys already had put a ton of thought into how we can go about this accessibility, audit and there's a very beautiful spreadsheet that has everything organized and listed and how we will move forward with that, based on the level of audit that we want to do and the level of accessibility that we want to try to reach so yeah.

A

He is a superstar and I love her. She is awesome, so we'll go ahead and move on you go whenever you get that spreadsheet or that link will just pop back. So.

E

Can I make one comment and I don't know how this is going? It's just it's more of an observation that um there there have been times when we've I think um dumb things at the scale of say the website, whatever it might be and like we do an audit for something and it it comes back with a lot and we're kind of we find ourselves overwhelmed with the results sometimes and then like it's hard to perceive because we're not sure how to proceed, and so I don't know if this would be similar to that.

E

You know that we would say.

F

A lot of things that we need to address, which.

E

Is great but like how we can thoughtfully move forward on them in a meaningful way? That's all yeah.

A

And I think that that's where the project managers can really help out because.

F

They're going to be going through this.

A

Process and really help prioritize opening issues for things that are low-hanging fruit, so that other people who really want to participate- and we have quite a few folks that do want to participate and help with this so um I- think having those project managers in place to just help, coordinate and facilitate and make sure that people know what to do and where to go and have access to what they need can really help. Yiga and Victoria go through it. So I think that might be the key.

A

That's going to help us um get through that barrier, because you're totally right, Matt, like I, mean we're this is we have stuff to do like. We have other things that we have to worry about, and so um yeah I totally agree with you foreign. So this is the um the spreadsheet that you guys. So we can. She she and Victoria can go through and say um do each one of these things and then, if there is a change that needs to be made, they can easily say.

A

Oh, this is going to be something for a content creator, a designer developer or QA person, and then they can open those issues either in uh I guess in the website. Repo is where it would happen, um tag people label things, and you know what, if, if I think, if everything, if things go on um unassigned or nobody, has an interest in something I- think that's! Okay, too, just the fact that we've documented that that needs to happen um we'll get to it. You know we'll get to it eventually.

A

I, don't think this has to be done immediately, um but yeah this is like, and then we also are doing it for the badging website too. The new badging website so yeah.

A

So the idea is to make things um easy for people who want to contribute and want to have something to do here um to give them put Point them in this direction. If this is something that they're passionate about I want to help out with.

A

I love this ribs I'm so excited about this like this is so organized and it's so clear to me like okay yeah. So if we want to just do, I think this is the low hanging. Fruit is just the level a is that right. Higa.

I

um Yes, yes, so Level A is for hi everyone, so Level A is for things that we can really um changes that we can make almost immediately on the website.

I

um So um if there are essential stuff that we we would need to do, if we're going to, you know, have the chaos website or the Dei about your websites very accessible, and they are very simple to do more than half of the time um so level 88 is the fastest. For you know, if we're trying to be ideal supporters to say oh, where, where for accessibility, you know we do this at chaos, um so we're supposed to achieve a level AA. So basically that's the understand that you know and then for level AAA stuff.

I

That is saying, oh.

I

um So, for example, if KRS was an open source that specializes in you know stuff for accessibility, then it means that we're a specialized organization and we're doing everything possible to make sure that you know people that um need accessibility or need accessible webs need to access the website, regardless of you know what they are going through are able to assess it. So that's like level AAA, but yes, we can start from really simple stuff um on level.

H

I

And yes, that's like what it is about for now. Thank you.

E

A

And yeah, so some of this might not thank you. Everyone yeah you go. This is amazing. You are absolutely Superstar um like so when they go through the check like they're. This may be fine, so there may not be anything that we need to do for that. You know so it's not like. We have definitely something to do on every single line of line here. um We'll just have to see kind of how we how we fare.

A

And I think if somebody does want to help I would say, go to this issue and maybe just express interest so that we can keep track of that and include you in that project. um We have three minutes: left, um Ruth I'm. So sorry, oh, my gosh I'm. So sorry we have three minutes left for a chaos. Africa update.

F

G

Yeah in case the weenie Creek um for hackables to planning to participate, you don't have to walk fast. There are some projects in chaos, Africa that we that, for example, the Bots we might want to use the slack board to participate and improve that Bots, but we haven't started planning yet so it's like really short timeline, but um there are plans to participate. I wanted to action if four guys planning to participate in October pass. No.

C

I mean we have, we have not discussed, participating in a hacktoberfest.

C

um It's prob, possibly not a bad idea, not a bad way to kick start the API development work that we've discussed, especially since we'll probably meet uh either Thursday this week or a different time next week, which is October. So let me let me think about that. How would you suggest we promote it? I guess in the past it's just been the hacktoberfest. You issue tagging that we used on this for on chaos, yeah.

G

Kind of what you're thinking yeah same thing, um but like within chaos, Africa folks and also like pick up issues um on we. We can talk about them during, like the chaos Africa meetings that over is also participating. You can check out the issues here for people that write spy floor, and um so that's how it'll be um but I think I'll connect with you later on.

H

G

We've got too much time um yeah, so we're still planning participation and then projecting chaos that will participates in Oktoberfest and then um I just wanted to give a shout out to all. The chisha has been handling the social media, arts, the Suites or the post on X.

G

And then we have is peace, this Friday, um so some community members from chaos Africa will be doing an eme session just to engage like our audience. That wants to join chaos Africa, but you know, do not know what we do. So um we are having this space on the 29th of September and may blessing eager and pressures will be spitting on the space and talking about all the things how they contribute to the chaos projects so yeah. So those are all the updates that we have.

G

I was pretty fast.

A

Well done that was perfect.

A

um I see a couple comments here, we'll just address really quick before we head out. um Yeah Don is just expressing a little concern about hacktoberfest and um like the quality of contributions, sometimes um because.

C

Yeah they that's one of the reasons we didn't participate last year.

A

Sometimes they aren't as um beneficial as they could.

B

Be or meaningful it's not it's, not necessarily that I mean that's a piece of it, but it's the high volume of them and some projects have been just completely overwhelmed in October um by hectoberfest. Now it might not be a problem for us. Maybe we're smaller small enough that we're not kind of on the radar that some something like a kubernetes is so it might be. It might be totally fine, but I think we just need to be prepared that it might be a lot of work for people in the community are.

A

They still giving out prizes the same way now.

G

T-Shirts this year, so the end of a given all t-shirts anymore,.

B

That might help if they're not giving away prizes.

C

B

C

People gunning for prizes, though.

B

People will do anything for a t-shirt as sad as that might be.

C

It's not sad. T-Shirts are awesome.

A

They are awesome all right. Well, thank you, everybody. It was really great to see everyone um hope. You have a great rest of your day and we'll see you here next week.

C

Thanks everyone.