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B
Hi
everyone
welcome
to
the
monthly
version
of
our
weekly
meeting.
We
do
this
kind
of
special
meeting
on
the
first
month,
first
tuesday
of
the
month
where
we
will
include
some
updates
from
working
groups.
So
we're
really
happy
to
see
everyone
here
and
I
hope
you're
all
having
an
okay
day
and
feeling
all
right.
If
you
could,
please
add
your
name
if
you
feel
like
it
into
the
minutes
that
have
been
posted
in
the
chat
which
we
can
also
do
again
one
more
time
just
in
case.
B
Let
us
know
how
you're
doing
how
you're
feeling
what's
going
on,
looks
like
everybody's
doing:
okay,
no
tornadoes,
no
tree
stumps,
no,
nothing
major
looks
like
some
early
lunches
happening
as
well.
So
that's
good
yeah.
So
I
wanted
to
add
something
in
here
really
quick,
but
really
we
can
just
jump
right
in
and
before
I
get
started
on
the
agenda.
I
just
wanted
to
give
a
quick
shout
out
to
jaskrat
who
was
selected.
Is
the
google
open
source
peer
bonus
program
for
his
work
with
the
chaos
project?
C
Sure
so,
whatever
the
work
I
did
as
a
part
of
google
seasonal
talks
program
with
the
kiosk
committee
member,
I'm
like
working
on
the
community
handbook.
So
I
was
recognized
by
one
of
the
googler
for
doing
a
work
with
the
chaos,
and
so
it
was
really
fun
working
with
the
kiosk
and
I
still
plan
to
continue
with
the
same
work
ahead.
So,
let's
see
like
how
things
go,
so
I'm
very
much
excited
for
getting
the
blog
post
up
very
much
soon.
So
yeah.
B
We're
really
really
happy
for
you.
You
well
deserved
100.
You
did
a
fantastic
job
on
our
community
handbook
and
it's
it's
really
come
such
a
long
way
and
it's
it's
kind
of
acting
as
a
model
for
other
communities
as
well.
So
just
congratulations
again
on
that.
That's
really
really
fantastic!.
B
Okay,
now
we
can
just
hop
into
the
rest
of
the
agenda.
The
first
item
is
just
about
the
metrics
just
a
reminder
in
case
you
have
not
gotten
this
message
in
any
of
the
working
groups.
The
public
comment
period
is
now
closed,
closed
for
business,
so
we're
going
to
do
the
official
release.
B
I
say
we
I
mean
georg
and
kevin
are
going
to
do
the
official
release
on
friday.
So
this
is
the
last
week
for
working
groups
to
kind
of
finalize
any
revisions
that
they
want
to
make
after
that
public
comment
period.
I
think
that
most
are
ready
to
go.
I
think
there
was
the
one
that
still
kind
of
was
being
discussed
in
the
common
group,
which
is
technical
work,
so
that
will
probably
come
well.
It
will
have
to
come
to
fruition
this
week.
B
So
if
you
have
strong
feelings
about
that,
you
can
hop
in
the
common
working
group
meeting,
which
I
think
is
on
thursday.
Someone
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
any
comments,
questions
about
this.
B
Yeah
we
have
a
ton
of
metrics
that
are
being
released
and
a
few
that
are
being
revised,
so
just
fantastic
work
to
everyone.
I
know
it's
it's
a
lot
to,
especially
in
the
midst
of
everything
else.
That's
going
on
to
take
time
out
of
your
days
to
work
on
this
stuff,
that's
important,
so
we
really
really
appreciate
all
of
your
work.
B
I
don't
know
if
we
have
like
official
excuse
me
if
we
have
official
representatives
from
each
working
group,
I
kind
of
dropped
in
some
updates
that
I
knew
about
so,
let's
just
go
around
the
table
and
we'll
just
go
down
working
group
by
by
working
group.
So
the
first
one
is
is
common
and
I
don't
know
who
wants
to
take
that
up
since
dawn's,
not
here.
D
B
And
just
a
reminder
for
anyone,
who's
watching
the
video
or
doesn't
have
access
to
the
minutes,
the
three
metrics
that
were
released
or
will
be
released
on
friday,
technical
forks,
which
again
the
name
we're
kind
of
still
discussing
that
name
that
the
second
one
is
burstiness
and
the
third
one
is
review
cycle
duration
within
a
change
request
and
all
of
those
were
long
time
coming.
So
we're
really
happy
to
get
those
out
the
door
for
sure
okay.
Does
anybody
have
questions
about
those.
B
The
next
working
group
is
the
dni
working
group
and
I
dropped
in
here.
I
don't
think
matt
snell
will
be
able
to
make
it
today,
but
I
was
just
gonna
give
a
quick
badging
update
on
his
behalf,
because
the
dni
badging
initiative
is
just
crushing
it.
B
It's
doing
so
great
we're
so
happy
matt
and
the
team
have
just
worked
so
hard
and
it's
really
showing,
and
we
have
six
events
total
that
have
gone
through
the
process
and
all
have
gotten
a
gold
badge
based
on
their
work
for
in
prioritizing
and
their
attentive
attentiveness
to
diversity.
Inclusion
belonging
efforts
in
their
events,
so
you
can
see
a
list.
B
B
I
know
matt
has
a
few
people
that
are
new
to
the
team
that
are
just
now
joining
the
reviewing
team,
so
a
huge
shout
out
to
those
who
have
been
doing
that
work
so
far,
that's
been
a
lot
so
so
thank
you
to
them
because
it
is,
you
know
a
little
bit
of
an
intensive
process,
so
so
great
job
to
all
of
them
and
matt
snell
has
also
been
doing
a
fantastic
job
working
on
the
code
that
runs
the
the
badging
part
of
that
he
has
been
making
it
a
little
smoother
and
also
refining
the
process
for
how
reviewers
are
selected.
B
D
Can
I
make
okay,
I
was
going
to
share
the
screen.
My
screen
really
fast,
just
if
people
haven't
clicked
on
it,
but
here
are
the
events
that
have
been
gold
batched,
which
is
great,
and
I
think
one
of
the
nice
things
to
see
is
you
can
see
that
in
the
last
month
approximately
there
have
been
five
that
have
been
gold,
badged
and
I'd
just
say
that
they've
all
been
really
developmental.
I
think
the
process
hasn't
taken
terribly
long,
at
least
from
my
perspective.
D
D
I
thought
I
had
something
else.
Give
me
a
second,
oh,
are
there
new
reviewers
coming
up
is
that
I've.
B
Sent
a
few
to
matt
yeah,
so
I
think
that
I
think
maybe
he's
in
the
process
of
onboarding
some
new
ones.
E
D
Maybe
we
could
send
something
I
can
touch
base
with
matt
to
maybe
send
something
to
the
list,
because
I
know
that
sometimes
he
does
like
onboarding
events
where
he
you
know
has
a
scheduled
time
for
onboarding
and
we
could
maybe
share
that.
B
Yeah,
that
would
be
great.
I
had
not
heard
of
something
that
he
had
already
scheduled,
so
I
don't
know
if
he
was
has
anything
in
the
books
or
if
he,
if
he's,
got
tentative
or
if
he's
just
doing
it
one-off.
You
know
one-on-one
with
people.
E
B
Also,
I
know
sometimes
my
emails
go
into
spam,
so
I
hope
he's
getting
them.
I
I
trying
to
ping
him
but
yeah.
That
would
be
great
if
you
can
just
make
sure.
E
B
So
we
also
in
the
dni
group-
I
don't
know
if
someone
else
wants
to
jump
in,
but
I'll
go
ahead
and
do
this
real,
quick.
They
released
three
metrics,
which
was
chat,
form
chat,
platform,
inclusivity,
documentation,
accessibility
and
project
burnout.
Those
were
kind
of
part
of
the
continual
release,
but
they
are
now
a
part
of
the
official
march
release.
Does
anyone
have
questions
on
those.
B
A
This
follows
three
months
or
so
of
really
in-depth
discussion
about
what
dependencies
mean,
what
what
what
sort
of
security
issues
and
other
issues
are
posed
by
dependencies
sustainability
issues
and-
and
it
really
is
kind
of
a
nice
folk.
We
we're
we're
on
a
very
focused
rail
toward
the
minimum
viable
product
metrics
right
now.
A
So
that's
that's.
What's
most
exciting
about
what's
happening
happening
within
risk.
We've
also
got
gotten
a
good
good
deal
of
new
participation
related
to
that
growing
focus
or
narrowing
focus
or
increasing
focus.
D
D
If
you
see
that
dependencies,
that's
considered
a
sustain,
or
at
least
just
a
conversation,
yeah
and
I've
been
inside.
I've
been
in
that
conversation
as
well,
and
so
the
the
I'm
thinking
john,
that
the
folks
from
sustain
are
actually
going
to
start
joining
the
chaos
risk
meeting
so
that
they
don't
have
their
own
dependency
discussion.
A
A
Yeah,
that's
right,
yeah!
That's
exactly
what
I
was
saying
so,
but
the
the
discussion
board
in
this
particular
group
is
quite
active
right
now.
D
So
and
then
dan
katz
and
arfan
apparently
have
an
interest
in
this
too.
So
the
hope
is
is
that
we
can
just
bring
people
to
the
risk
working
group
while
you're
talking
about
dependencies
yeah.
That
would
be
my
hope
also
and
then
the
goal
for
at
least
like
kind
of
my
own
personal
goals,
listening
to
the
conversation,
are
that
there
are
a
lot
of
people
who
have
questions
against
a
dependency
map,
so
they
want
to
understand
dependencies
say
for
reasons
of
security
or
reasons
of
licensing
in
sustain.
D
So
to
me
the
first
step
is
even
just
mapping
dependencies
whatever
that
might
be.
I
know
they
come
in
a
variety
of
different
forms
and
I
think.
A
D
D
D
D
So
if
people
know
about
this,
that
would
be
great.
I
think
our
goal
is
to
to
try
to
build
that
software
or
make
it
more
available.
H
I
don't
come
across,
but
like
looking
at
the
library's,
I
o
data.
That
was
a
map
I
used
to
perform
a
one
of
the
project,
but
not
like.
There
is
a
tool
which
is
available
and
it's
like
it's
a
really
complex
process.
It
takes
some
time
and
what
I
recall
is
the
only
map
I
found
is
on
the
github,
where
they
display
the
dependency
map.
That's
all
I.
A
A
G
I
had
a
conversation
yesterday
with
the
team
behind
smart
shark,
which
is
an
open
source
tool
for
analyzing,
open
source
projects,
and
we
have
a
podcast
planned.
So
we'll
talk
more
about
it,
but
they
said
adding
dependency.
Information
to
their
tool
would
be
easy
because
they're
analyzing
java's
project,
specifically
in
the
dependencies
already
available
in
the
data
they
just
need
to
map
it,
which
they
said
would
be
easy
enough
to
do,
but
I
invited
them
to
thursday.
So
hopefully,
on
thursday
we
can
talk
with
them
more.
D
I
think
if,
if
there
can
be
like
you
know,
like
object
files
like
what
you're
talking
about,
I
think,
georg,
you
know
like
some
sort
of
pom
file
or
something
yep,
that's
yeah.
That
makes
it
a
little
bit
easier
because
it's
bounded
based
on
some
input
file.
That's
known,
still
a
good
question,
but
it
certainly
bounds
bounds
it
to
whatever
a
pom
files
written
in
xml
or.
B
B
All
right,
let's
go
ahead
and
go
forward
on
the
agenda
because
we
do
have
a
few
other
things
we're
doing
great.
The
next
one
is
evolution,
so
evolution
not
sure
who
wants
to
talk
about
that?
I
can,
if
nobody
does.
A
A
So
it's
not
like
in
a
row
of
three
chaos
meetings,
and
I
would
you
know,
there's
certainly
a
number
of
metrics
that
need
development
in
the
evolution
area
and
we
would
welcome
participation
right
now,
we're
at
a
low
sort
of
a
low
point,
and
I
think
some
of
that
just
people
moving
on
to
other
working
groups
that
are.
A
Doing
you
know
more
current
things
so,
but
there
are
there's
work
that
needs
to
be
done.
So
I
welcome
all
to
the
evolution
working
group
and
I
would
certainly
welcome
anyone
to
volunteer
as
coordinator
or
for
as
tribute.
B
And
those
meetings
now
happen
every
other
week.
So
tomorrow
is
the
next
one,
and
so
that.
A
A
Right,
it's
the
same
time.
It's
just
shifted
the
week
that
it's
on
to
avoid
being
in
the
lineup
of
three
straight
chaos,
meetings.
B
So
if
anyone
is
considering
jumping
in
to
volunteer
as
a
as
a
coordinator
for
that
working
group,
you
don't
have
to
volunteer
right
this.
Second,
you
can
think
about
it,
sleep
on
it
and
then
come
to
the
meeting
tomorrow.
We'd
love
to
have
you
and
your
participation
there.
A
Metrics
and
I
think
I
think,
to
some
extent
a
lot.
A
lot
of
the
questions
and
metrics
developed
in
other
working
groups
are
at
this
point,
relying
on
that
core
set
of
atomic
metrics
that
were
developed
in
evolution
at
the
very
beginning.
So
you
know,
maybe
it
may
be
the
case
that
that
group
doesn't
need
to
meet
more
often
but
before
our
before
any
kind
of
decision
like
that
gets
made,
maybe
maybe
a
larger
discussion
involving
people
with
an
interest
or
who
have
contributed.
Historically
to
that
group
we
could.
A
We
could
actually
make
that
the
topic
of
discussion
this
week
tomorrow
just
start
out.
You
know
what
do
we
need
to
do
and
one
of
the
things
that
we're
doing
might
also
be
well
handled
by
one
of
the
working
groups.
That's
more
active,
because
I
think
I
think
to
some
extent
a
good
part
of
the
community
thinks
that
we
did
that
work
and
it's
in
pretty
good
shape.
A
So
we
don't
need
to
focus
on
evolution
separately,
though
there
are
there
and
there
are
a
set
of
candidate
metrics
that
are
not
developed
and
maybe
maybe
they
belong
in
evolution,
and
maybe
they
don't
immediate
folks
took
a
look
at
the
list
of
metrics
that
are
up
for
development.
It
might
might
direct
some
additional
attention
toward
it.
B
Sean,
do
you
also
think
there
might
be
merit
in
looking
at
the
earlier
metrics
just
with
fresh
eyes
now
that
we've
gone
through
the
process
so
much
and
it's
kind
of
the
process
itself
has
evolved.
So
I
know
what
in
another
group
we
we
pulled
up
an
old
metric
and
started
looking
at
it
and
found
a
lot
of
things
that
could
be
improved
and
iterated
on
from
that
kind
of
early
early
development
of
that
metric.
So
do
you
think
that
that
might
be
a
goal
also
for
evolution.
A
It
could
be,
though,
I
don't
think
anyone
who's
been
in
evolution.
Well,
I
guess
I'm
the
one
person
left
from
the
very
beginning
right
now,
but
we
debated
some
of
the
metrics
good
deal
and
there
in
some
cases.
I
think
yes,
in
some
cases
like
what
is
a
commit,
I
don't
want
to
open
that
can
of
worms
again
like.
B
No
just
it
was
interesting
to
see
kind
of
those
earlier
metrics
with
you
know,
fresh
faces
and
fresh
eyes,
bits
and
pieces
that
could
be
expanded
on,
even
so
just
something
to
think
about
for
sure.
Yeah.
B
Awesome:
let's
go
forward,
move
ahead
now
I
lost
the
agenda
here.
It
is
okay
because
evolution
did
just
release
two
new
metrics
for
a
branch
life
cycle
and
the
change
request,
except
acceptance
ratio.
So
you
know
they
are
still
cranking
them
out.
So
if
anyone
wants
to
participate
again,
that's
tomorrow
at
9
00
a.m,
u.s,
central,
okay,
then
the
next
one
is
value.
H
Yeah,
so
we
released
one
metric
project
popularity
and
we
have
revised
one
social
listening
metric
system
and
right
now,
a
lot
of
discussion
is
going
around
the
academic
value
in
that
group.
So
if
anyone
is
interested
in
learning
more
about,
especially
in
the
two
areas,
a
catholic
value,
a
value
and
organizational
value
is
where
the
value
group
is
focusing
these
days
a
lot.
D
So,
just
if
people
don't
know,
universities
are
starting
to
start
open
source
program
offices
to
deal
with
like
grant
dollars
that
come
in
and
then
the
technology
that's
produced
in
those
projects
and
then
tech
transfer
and
how
they
think
about
open
source
in
the
university
setting
and
so
johns
hopkins
has
an
open
source
program.
Office.
Rochester
institute
of
technology
has
an
open
source
program
office.
D
I
think
you
see
santa
cruz
has
an
open
source
program
office.
So
this
is
kind
of
an
emerging
trend
right
here,
and
the
question
is:
is
software
has
traditionally
not
been
something
that
has
been
valued
in
the
tenure
and
promotion
process
at
universities?
D
And
there
is,
there
is
a
whole
other
group
that
isn't
us
it's
called
ospo,
plus
plus,
which
is
run
by
jacob
green
who's
in
baltimore,
and
he
really
focuses
on
bringing
together
a
community
of
people
interested
in
this.
So
we're
kind
of
listening
to
what
they're
doing
and
trying
to
document
some
of
the
work.
That's
coming
out
of
that
as
well.
I
I
don't
know
I
was
just
going
to
say
it.
That's
actually
very
interesting.
I
didn't
I
mean
I
I
think
I
knew
about
johns
hopkins,
but
I
didn't
know
it
was
had
a
wider
thinking.
It's
almost
like
valuing,
I
mean,
maybe
I'm
wrong,
but
it's
almost
like
valuing
it
as
it's
on
maybe
on
a
similar
footing
as
like
other
traditional
publications.
Is
that
correct
or.
H
The
argument,
sorry,
even
the
argument
is
like
if
candice
are
producing
a
software
that
is
being
used
by
white
audience.
Why
are
not
they're
getting
credit
for
it
right,
even
in
their
tenure,
in
their
promotion
or
in
their
domain?
H
And
how
can
we
make
that
valuable
contribution
as
like
showing
their
contribution
as
impactful.
I
D
So
there
was,
as
an
example,
are
you
familiar
with
the
software
matt
plotlib
sean?
I'm
guessing.
You
are
oh
yeah
yeah,
that's
quite
I'm
quite
familiar
with
it.
It's.
A
D
Super
it's
a
superhero
pop
super
popular
piece
of
software,
with
a
reported
around
315
000
projects
depend
on
matplotlib
right
and
the
most
and
it's
a
science
piece
of
scientific
software
and
the
most
heavily
cited
publication
at
least
to
date
in
academe,
is
a
lowry
at
all
publication
from
1951
that
has
about
three
hundred
thousand
citations.
B
H
B
B
Okay,
if
no
more
questions
comments
around
value,
then
we'll
just
move
along,
so
we
have
about
18
minutes.
So
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
to
talk
about
the
google
summer
of
code.
We
submitted
our
ideas
and
work.
The
I
think
sean
and
georg
are
creating
and
the
mentors
are
creating
the
microtasks
for
all
the
ideas.
B
So
very
soon,
this
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
mostly
for
sean.
I
wasn't
sure
if
we
had
finally
decided
or
officially
decided
that
march
13th
would
be
the
next
auger
hackathon.
A
We
do
have
one
set
up
for
march
13th
that
in
our
discussion
we
did
decide
on.
We
wanted
to
bring
it
back
to
this
group
to
see
if
we
could
get
some
working
group
focused,
hackathons,
organized
and
scheduled
as
well,
where
we
would
actually
build
out
metrics
that
are
defined
in
the
working
groups.
Kind
of
as
an
active
act
of
hacking.
A
A
A
A
In
in
the
working
group
in
the
working
groups-
and
the
other
thing
we
discussed,
which
we
haven't
scheduled,
but
I
think
is
important,
especially
based
on
what
was
actually
a
really
successful
asia,
pacific
hackathon
last
friday,
night
u.s
time
saturday
morning
in
beijing
is,
is
having
some
and
you-
and
I
discussed
this
a
little
bit
these
these
two
and
I
think
we
talked
about
it
in
the
last
meeting
each.
A
You
know
two
hour
two
three
hour
sessions
where
we
get
individuals
who
are
interested
in
contributing
to
open
source-
and
these
are
often
students
or
candidate
google
summer
of
code
students
get
their
local
environments
configured
because
there's
at
this
point
I've
got.
I
will
give
you
all.
I
won't
enumerate
them
here
for
time,
but
there
are
three
major
patterns
of
people
getting
lost
in
the
basic
configuration
of
python
databases
and
their
local
operating
systems
compiling
tools.
A
A
A
So
I
think
I
think,
for
for
the
march
13
hackathon
we'll
we're
just
going
to
go
forward
without
doing
that.
But
then
I
want
to
get
those
on
the
calendar
on
a
pretty
regular
basis,
maybe
at
least
once
a
month
and
in
advance
of
a
particular
hackathon,
and
then
I
mean
I've
been
I've
been
talking
with
willem
about
some
ongoing
collaboration.
That
may
may
be
fruitful
for
helping
getting
a
regular
hackathon
scheduled
in
the
asia
pacific
region
as
well.
A
We're
figuring,
I
mean
we're
figuring
this
out,
like
we
haven't
done
this
before
I
haven't
done
this
before,
but
but
I
think
it's
generating
some
interest
in
auger.
J
Okay,
it's
not
really
a
question,
but
it's
kind
of
like
a
comment,
so
I
think
the
idea
is
really
great,
because
steven
should
be
on
the
school
yeah,
so
she
actually
reached
out
to
me.
He
wants
to
like
apply
to
g-shock,
true
chaos,
so
you
know
I
was
trying
to.
J
I
had
to
call
with
him
that
was
like
two
weeks
ago
or
last
week
I
was
trying
to
you
know
sort
of
like
a
little
onboarding
to
chaos,
but
since
I
wasn't
contributing
via
orga
and
code,
I
I
didn't
actually
know
what
to
see
right.
So
I
I
think
I
think
it's
a
really.
I
J
Idea
definitely
a
good
idea.
It's
it's
it'll
at
least
help
those
coming
in
and
understand
how
to
set
up
the
environment
which
you
go
to
and
they're
about
to
definitely
support.
E
It
that's
that's
great,
I
think.
A
That's
good
to
hear
ruth
and
those
those
hackathon
dates
are
those
those
dates
sort
of
get
your
machine.
Configured
dates
will
be
coming
out.
Well,
it's
tuesday,
so
for
sure
by
the
next
newsletter
next
week,
we'll
have
dates,
we'll
updates
for
those,
and
I
think
I
think
we
were
doing
this
actually
reasonably
well.
A
When
the
world
we
lived
in
allowed
us
to
gather
at
foston
and
also
summits
regularly,
because
we
had
routine
hackathons
with
the
tools
during
those
times
and-
and
so
this
is,
I
think,
really
kind
of
emerging
as
a
need
out
of
the
absence
of
being
able
to
get
together.
B
And
just
to
to
address
kevin's
question:
we
do
not
have
registration
open
for
that
hackathon
on
the
13th
yet,
but
that
will
be
very
soon
coming
so
as
soon
as
we
have
that
we'll
put
it
on
the
mailing
list
and
in
the
newsletter
and
probably
twitter.
A
A
A
D
D
B
All
right,
it
looks
like
we
have
about
10
minutes
and
we
have
one
more
thing
on
the
agenda
and
then
we'll
open
it
up
to
anybody
who
has
anything
else
at
the
end.
So
I
will
let
matt
g
talk
about
this.
I'm
pretty
sure
he'd
put.
D
And
so
one
of
the
things
we
wanted
to
do
was
to
identify
some
individuals
who
can
help
and
one
of
the
individuals
we
were
hoping
could
kind
of
serve
as
a
liaison
between
knowing
how
the
chaos
project
works,
as
well
as
with
any
external
people
who
provide
insight
for
the
project
and
justin
fleury
has
agreed.
So
I
just
always
want
to
say
thank
you.
I
was
hoping
he
would
be
on
here,
but
anyway,
we've
started
kind
of
chatting
and
identifying
some
external
folks
who
could
also
provide
support
in
this
area.
B
I
have
barking
dogs
apologies,
who
else
has
something
that
they
want
to
ask
or
talk
about
or
bring
up
anybody.
F
K
I
have
a
friend
who
works
primarily
in
communication
in
virtual
communities
on
an
interpersonal
level,
and
we
were
thinking
about
running
a
podcast
with
him,
essentially
talking
about
those
really
weird
moments,
when
you
think
everything
is
going
great
and
then
an
interpersonal
conversation
happens
in
a
community
that
just
kind
of
throws
you
for
a
loop
and
you
don't
know
what
happened.
You
don't
know
where
it
is
so
we're
trying
to
find
some
really
nice
salient
examples
of
those
moments
where
you're
like
wow.
That
was
surprising.
I
did
not
see
that
coming.
K
So
I'm
wondering
if
any
of
you
have
any
of
those
stories
that
you
would
like
to
share
with
us
and
then
get
his
opinion
on
an
interpersonal
level.
What
happened
in
those
projects
etc.
K
K
Name
on
it,
just
let
us
know
and
we'll
just
kind
of
leave
it
there,
but
I
mean
there's
contentious
aspects
in
interpersonal
relationships
and
then
there's
the
not
so
contentious
kind
of
funny
ones
we're
looking
for
both.
So
if
you
want
to
put
your
name
awesome,
if
you
don't
want
to
put
your
name
totally
okay,
thank
you.
B
K
Oh
sorry,
I'm
muted
yeah
absolutely
and
don't
worry
too
much
about
it,
because
it's
just
one
of
those
chaos
things
where
it'll
just
be
him
and
me
and
other
people
on
the
podcast,
essentially
just
talking
through
these
stories.
So
if
you
don't
want
the
information
shown,
just
don't
give
it
to
us
and
we're
more
than
happy
to
kind
of
discuss
the.
B
Situation-
one
other
suggestion
you
might
want
to.
I
don't
know
if
you're
available
at
the
dni
working
group
tomorrow,
but
that
might
also
be
a
group
that
has
some
stories
to
share
around
that
they
meet
at
10
a.m.
Tomorrow,
if
you're
available.
If
not,
I
can
oh
I'm
not
available
tomorrow
either,
but
somebody
can
can
spread
the
message
along
on
your
behalf.
If
you
can't
make
it.