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From YouTube: CHAOSS Weekly Community Call, August 15, 2023
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A
Quick
reminder:
this
is
under
the
chaos
code
of
conduct.
So
keep
that
in
mind
throughout
the
meeting
today
it
would
be
great
and
obviously
you
can
have
your
cameras
on
or
off.
We
don't
care
I'm
happy
to
have
you
chat
with
us
in
the
chat
window,
if
you
like,
if
you
don't
want
to
have
your
camera
on
or
your
mic
on
either
one.
That's
totally
fine.
A
A
B
Okay,
well,
we
had
we
looked
four
new
board
members.
They
are
Ruth
akiga
from
chaos,
Africa
Brian,
profit
from
Red
Hat
software
Anita,
a
human,
also
very
active
in
the
chaos
Africa
organization
and
Kevin
Lombard,
who
some
of
you
may
have
heard
of
before
Kevin's
been
with
the
project
since
the
beginning.
B
A
A
B
Yeah
I
would
think
I
would
think
everything
will
be
resolved
this
week
because
I'm
about
to
get
obnoxious
with
we,
we
basically
I.
We
need
a
quorum
and
I
need
a
few
more
people
to
vote,
and
it's
a
difficult
time
of
year
to
get
people
to
vote.
So
I
am
I.
Will
I'll
become
increasingly
aggressive
as
this
week
goes
on
to
get
that
taken
care
of.
B
Yeah
I
mean
we
could
do
it.
We
could
do
it
as
a
separate
announcement
or
blog
post
too
and
I'm
on
I.
Don't
have
religion
about
how
we
do
it,
but
I
also
don't
wanna.
You
know
your
point
with
the
weekly
newsletters
are
a
lot
of
work
and
I
think
don't
get
read
as
often
as
a
monthly
one
will
are
well
taken.
So
perhaps
these
these
new
leaders
will
their
their
status
will
be
more
easily
noticed
in
a
monthly
newsletter
than
in
some
other
separate
correspondence.
I,
don't
know
I'm.
C
A
B
Yes,
I'd
like
to
take
it.
Yes,
we
can
think
outgoing
board
members
Daniel
scaredo,
who
has
done
a
stellar
job
since
the
very
beginning,
of
course,
and
also
Don
Marty
who's
been
an
exceptional
resource
for
us
on
all
things,
privacy
related
and
we'll
be.
You
know
we
value
the
contributions
of
these
two
people.
There
is
a
third
board
member
who
may
be
rotating
off
and
well.
I
haven't
been,
have
not
been
able
to
get
a
hold
of
that
person.
So
I'll
just
leave
that
at
that.
A
A
A
E
I
think
I
had
them
the
cncf
project
in
mind
because
it
kind
of
curates
most
of
the
projects,
but
with
a
bit
of
extensiveness
on
the
use
cases,
because
I
think
that's
something.
The
cncf
landscape
project
does
not
cover,
so
we
could
have
them
also
put
down
the
use
case
for
the
chaos
metrics
in
their
communities
and
all
as
well,
and
also
efforts
that
they're
doing
in
regards
to
that.
Since
there's,
like
so
much
research
around
chaos
already
on
who
is
using
our
metrics
and
how
they're
using
our
metrics.
F
G
A
B
And
I
think
it
comes
back
a
little
bit
to
this
conversation.
We
had
at
the
metric
model
meeting
this
morning
about
classification,
because
one
of
the
things
the
cncf
landscape
does
very
well
is
categorize
each
of
the
projects
and
where
it
fits
inside
that
landscape
and
I,
don't
think.
That's
I,
don't
think.
That's
a
small
effort
both
to
establish
the
initial
classification,
but
then
also
to
maintain
it
with
some
degree
of
trust
and
fidelity.
B
I
hope
not
I
really
hope.
Not.
That's.
That's,
certainly
not
because
I
think
taxonomies
are
specific
and
you
know,
and
also
not
like
Nothing
fits
into
a
single.
Sometimes
a
taxonomy
has
multiple
projects
inside
of
a
single
thing
and
I.
Think
cncf
does
a
nice
job
of
putting
things
into
a
single
group
for
the
most
part
and
so
gosh
I'm
not
intending
to
resurface
that
the
Sofia.
H
With
functional
Technologies,
and
so
you
can
group
those
things
based
on
what
they
do
and
yes,
they're
not
always
going
to
be
clean
separation
between
them,
but
something
that's
designed
for
networking
is
different
than
something
that's
designed
for
storage.
So
in
our
case,
if
we're
designing
around
use
cases,
those
are
a
lot
more
malleable
and
I.
F
Code
is
actually
it's
an
open
source
project
in
and
of
itself,
so
we
don't
need
to
clone
the
cncf
one.
We
need
to
clone
the
actual
open
source
landscape
project
and
we
can
look
at
loads
of
other
examples
because
they've
used
it
like
the
to-do
group
has
their
own
landscape.
It's
actually
been
used
by
a
whole
bunch
of
of
other
groups,
so
we
could
have
a
look
at
those
and
see
how
some
of
them
have
used
the
categories
you
know,
and
one
of
the
benefits
is
like
it's.
You
know
at
its
core.
B
A
B
A
I
B
And
I
think
in
I
think
Don's
wheelhouse
is
already
chocked
full
with
the
startup
stuff.
So
I
don't
want
to
say
I
I'm
just
going
to
say
that
maybe
it
too
much
you
know
except
Don
how
involved
she
wants
to
be,
of
course,
but
but
her
we've
we've
stacked
Don's
plate
pretty
high
already,
and
if
there
was
someone
else
who
wanted
to
sort
of
lead.
The
coordination
of
this,
maybe
don,
would
prefer
that
I'll
leave
it
to
her.
F
B
A
Let
me
throw
this
off
here
so,
as
you
all
know,
we're
working
on
the
onboarding
courses
and
there's
a
lot
of
moving
parts
to
that.
So
we're
kind
of
relying
on
some
of
our
internal
project
managers
to
help
us
sort
that
out
and
figure
out
what
tasks
need
to
be
done
and
keep
us
on
track.
Is
this
a
project
that
could
also
benefit
from
having
up
like
one
project
manager
that
doesn't
necessarily.
A
F
A
Then
we
we
have
them
here
and
they
are
looking
for
things
to
do,
and
this
is
seems
like
a
perfect
use
case
for
that
kind
of
a
contribution.
That's
incredibly
helpful
to
us
as
a
as
a
community
and
I
see.
Yiga
has,
as
volunteered
herself
to
to
kind
of
help
with
this.
So
yiga
I,
don't
know.
If
you
want
to
talk
about
like
where
do
you
think
we
should
do
this
work
like?
Should
we
start.
E
A
I
Okay,
thank
you
Elise,
but
so
I
think
that's
starting
a
slap
channel,
for
you
know
a
different.
You
know.
Group
for
project
managers
would
be
nice
just
so
that
you
know
new
project
managers
that
want
to
join
in.
You
know
it's
just
easy
for
them
to
say:
oh
there's,
a
project
management,
you
know
Channel
where
we
can,
you
know,
feel
welcome
and
all
of
that
and
then
that
way
they
can
also
see
new
things
that
it
can
help
with.
So,
yes,
I
think
it's
a
great
idea
and
we're
supposed
thank
you.
A
I
I
Okay,
okay,
so
I
think
that,
because
if
we
create
a
channel
for
this,
it
means
that
for
every
channel
we're
going
to
be
creating
different
slack
channels
or
sorry
for
every
new
project,
we're
going
to
create
a
new
selection.
So
I
think
that's
a
bit
too
much.
If
you
ask
me
so
I
would
say,
maybe
put
it
under
somewhere
that
we
can
easily
find
a
project,
that's
already
existing
or
something
somewhere
where
it
stems
from
that's
what
I
would
say
just
so
that
when
we
don't
have
too
many.
C
That
website
group
currently
is
kind
of
a
patch-all
for
a
lot
of
the
kind
of
the
web
application
and
knowledge
base
work
that
we're
doing
so
so
that
it
that
could
be
a
place
where
the
the
meeting
time
isn't
I,
don't
think
it's
consistently
being
used.
So
so
there
wouldn't
be
availability
there.
So
I.
C
That
we
don't
necessarily
we
don't
necessarily
have
to
have
these
answers
now
we
could.
We
couldn't
take
another
week
and
kind
of
contemplate
some
of
these
questions
and
bring
it
back
to
the
next
community
meeting
or
we
could
present
it
to
some
of
the
other
working
groups
and
see
if
they
have
feedback
on
it
as
well.
I
Oh
yes,
so,
just
before
it
was
said
that
we
will
move
this
forward,
I
was
also
thinking
we
can
also,
since
it's
one
of
the
projects
that
will
come
on,
that
the
project
management
slap
Channel.
It
could
be
something
that
we
could
put
there
so
say.
Instead
of
creating
new
slot
channels
for
each
project,
we
can
put
you
know,
projects
that
we're
working
on
you
know
under
the
project
management
channel
so
that
everybody
that
comes
can
just
see
what
is
available
to
work
on
in
the
project
management.
A
Also
completely
valid
okay.
So
for
now
how
about
I'm?
Just
gonna
do
a
quick
action
item
for
me
to
start
a
project
oops
project
managers.
If
I
can
spell
Channel,
and
then
we
can
talk
about
it
there
and,
like
Kevin
said
we
can
also
come
back
next
week
and
decide
where
we
for
sure
want
this
work
to
live,
because
we
don't
have
to
decide
this
right
right
this
second,
but
what
I
can
do
is
start
this
Channel
and
then
we
can
also
connect
async,
because
I
do
agree
with
you.
C
C
A
A
A
D
Well,
I
just
think
we
I
was
just
creating
an
awareness
so
that
we
could
think
and
open
our
eyes
and
what
is
going
on
in
the
community
when
I
talk
about
the
community
like
in
society
in
general,
because
it
has
been
a
because
call
for
concerning
some
of
the
AI
for
Avenues.
You
know
we
are
talking
about
this
ethical
and
there
is
an
ethical
committee
for
loss
of
artificial
intelligence
forum
and
when
Zoom
make
this
move,
the
way
we
look
at
it
in
from
that
perspective
is
quite
different.
D
A
Totally
agree
and
I'm
really
happy
that
you
brought
this
up.
I
know
last
time,
I
think
Don.
You
said
that
there
was
a
way
for
us
to
opt
out.
Do
you
know
if
we
can
do
that?
So
we
are
part
of
the
Linux
foundations,
their
main
account,
so
I,
don't
know
how
much
leeway
we
have
or
control,
but
if
it's
something
that
we
can
do
on
our
like
sub
account
I'm
happy
to
do
whatever
we
need
to
do.
We.
F
C
F
E
F
But
Armstrong
makes
a
really
good
plan,
I
mean
we
do
I
mean
you
know
the
zoom
thing
aside,
it's
important
for
us
to
really
think
about
how
some
of
these
Technologies
might
might
impact
our
community
and
how
we
need
to
not
need
to
adjust
over
time.
It's
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
big
changes
when
it
comes
to
you
know:
AI
training
and
use
of
our
data.
C
Agreed
I
think
anytime,
anything
like
that
comes
out.
We
should.
We
should
definitely
talk
about
it.
I
know,
from
kind
of
from
a
community
standpoint,
it's
hard
to
move
off
of
Technologies
we're
using,
but
the
the
more
the
more
we
I
think,
the
more
we
talk
about
them,
the
the
easier
it
is
to
move
away
from
the
technologies
that
maybe
be
disagree
with,
or
that
do
us
arm.
So
just
having
this
conversation
makes
it
a
little
bit
easier
for
us
to
move
away
from
zoom
in
the
future.
A
Excellent
points
all
the
way
around
and
I
totally
agree
and
I
think
our
community
would
also
mostly
agree.
You
know
that
this
is
something
that's
important
and
we
should
be
keep
an
eye
on
and
be
aware
of,
and
definitely
talk
with,
open
talk
about
openly
for
sure,
okay,
so
I
will
actually
I'm
not
sure.
A
A
F
Pretty
self-explanatory
I
would
encourage
all
of
you
who,
especially
people
who've,
used
our
software
to
fill
out
the
survey
and,
in
particular,
give
us
some
comments
on
what
you
found
challenging
about
using
the
tools
and
the
metrics.
But
I
would
also
really
encourage
you
to
send
the
link
to
the
survey
to
the
blog
post
for
the
survey
to
other
people
that
you
know
are
using
the
software,
because.
I
B
And
I
know
I
know,
grimorlab
and
auger
I
know:
I
I
know
I.
You
asked
us
to
send
it
to
people.
We
know
who
have
used
it
and
I've
done
that.
If
anybody
has
Dwayne
O'brien's
current
private
email
address,
he
was
a
really
big
user
of
auger
when
he
was
at
indeed
and
I
would
love
to
get
his
feedback
as
well,
but
I
have
no
way
to.
F
H
F
E
B
A
F
F
C
F
F
E
A
So
this
morning
we
learned
that
we
have
a
little
bit
of
space
available.
Thank
you
to
the
open,
Euler
Community,
who
is
a
sponsor
of
osseu
and
has
a
slot
that
they're
given
as
part
of
their
sponsorship
and
they're,
offering
it
up
to
chaos.
If
we
would
like
to
do
that
to
do
something
with
Community,
Health
and
open
source
communities,
this
was
from
yuhui,
so
I
believe
yahui
said
he
was
going
to
be
didn't.
A
He
say
that
this
morning
he's
going
to
be
there
at
the
conference,
so
I
think
Don.
You
also
said:
you'll
be
there
and
Daniel's
gonna
be
there.
If
there's
anybody
else,
that
is
going
to
be
there
in
one
like.
If
you
all
want
to
try
to
organize
something,
a
little
more
structured
or
formal
I,
don't
I,
don't
really
know
it's
it's
open
for
we
have
two
hours
so
yeah.
What
do
we
want?
What.
E
A
Think
yahui
was
kind
of
like
whatever
we
want
to
do
with
it,
it's
open
for
us
to
use,
so
maybe
we
can
use
one
of
our
existing
slack
channels
already,
since
you
always
in
China
and
the
chances
of
like
him
being
able
to
attend
this
meeting,
or
vice
versa.
Whatever
are
slim
to
none
since
it's
midnight
his
time,
maybe
we
can
use
one
of
like
the
chaoscon
planning,
slack
channels
or
something
like
that
to
try
to
formalize
something
or
put
something
together,
a
little
more
structured.
A
I
B
B
B
A
A
Okay,
this
is
just
a
quick
reminder:
new
Badger
orientation
this
week
on
Thursday
at
9am,
us
Central
or
3
P.M
West
Africa
time.
This
is
a
great
way
to
contribute
to
the
chaos
project
and
it's
pretty
low
overhead.
You
don't
have
to
know
anything
about
chaos
or
our
metrics
or
even
our
badging
initiatives.
This
is
for
events
specifically
and
it's
pretty
straightforward
event:
organizers
apply
for
a
badge.
We,
our
Badgers,
go
through
the
application
and
just
verify
that
the
information
is
correct
and
then
the
bot
issues
the
badge
automatically.
A
About
badging
you're
also
welcome
to
attend,
and
just
by
attending
you
are
not
committing
to
anything
at
all.
It's
just
a
one
hour
conversation
and
yep.
That's
pretty
much
it.
You
don't
have
to
register.
You
can
show
up,
but
if
you
do
want
to
be
added
to
the
invite,
just
let
me
know
or
Ruth
no
and
we'll
make
sure
you
get
added
to
that.
So
it
gets
on
your
personal
calendar.
A
Okay,
another
reminder:
we
still
have
tickets
available
for
all
things
open,
which
is
a
Conference
in
October,
and
if
you
want
to
learn
more
about
it,
there's
a
bunch
of
information
down
here
from
last
week,
October
15th
to
17th.
Here's
where
you
can
learn
more
about
it.
It's
a
really
great
conference
really
really
great.
A
We
would
just
ask
if
you
are
taking
advantage
of
one
of
the
tickets
that
you
help
us
with
the
chaos
booth
for
a
shift
or
two
not
a
big
deal,
just
talk
about
chaos
to
people,
and
if
you
don't,
if
you're
new
to
chaos-
and
you
don't
feel
comfortable
with
that-
that's
also
valid,
but
we'd
love
it.
If
you
just
hung
out
with
us
at
the
booth
too
so
yeah,
just
let
me
know
if
you
would
like
a
ticket
doesn't
include
travel.
It's
just
the
registration.
E
B
B
E
B
J
Yeah
I
definitely
am
happy
to
talk
about
it.
This
has
been
sort
of
a
goal
of
mine
for
a
while,
almost
since
I
started
working
on
auger,
but
basically
like
this.
The
script
install
process,
it's
really
great
for
automated
installs,
when
you
already
have
all
of
the
parameters
set
in
like
environment
variables,
for
instance,
but
it's
not
particularly
useful
for
someone
who
maybe
just
wants
to
spin
up
the
software
and
is
maybe
not
super
familiar
with
the
terminal.
So
it's
still
in
testing.
J
B
And
I'll
I'll,
once
we
have
a
short
video
introduction
and
a
blog
post,
ready,
I'll
I
think
I'll
invite
some
folks
to
test
it
off
the
dev
branch
and
and
see
if
it
really,
you
know,
see
what
what
if
any
things
come
up
before,
we
do
the
main
release,
but
we're
very
excited
and
I'm
grateful
for
all
of
John's
hard
work
on
this.
You
know
kind
of
significantly
lowering
the
barrier
to
entry
for
auger.
A
A
E
A
G
I
admit:
I
put
those
on
there
because,
when
I
go
to
the
website
to
look
at
metrics,
I
know
how
to
use
the
search
and
I
know
what
I'm
looking
for,
but
navigating
the
metrics
I
struggle
with
and
so
I
thought.
Maybe
we
can
have
a
little
five
minute
demo
of
what
the
intended
navigation
of
our
metrics
knowledge
base
is
supposed
to
be
and
how
to
use
the
the
tags.
The
Meta
tags
that
we
have
and
also
how
can
I
find
what
metrics
belong
to,
which
working
group.
C
A
C
Yeah
the
context
areas
or
topic
areas,
okay,
so
the
the
organization
is
by
topic
areas
and
then
the
keywords
help
in
the
search
functionality.
So
everything
on
the
website
currently
is
organized
by
topic
areas
which
are
basically
the
context
areas
we
can
put
together.
We
could
put
together
a
short
demo
on
that,
if
you'd
like
how
bright
I
did
want
to
point
out
that
the
the
working
groups
are
currently
not
included
as
a
topic
area
or
as
a
keyword,
so
those
would
have
to
if
that
is
a
search.
B
It's
a
it's
a
tricky
thing,
because
we've
shifted
away
from
metrics
being
organized
by
working
groups.
Quite
a
lot
and
the
working
groups
who
historically
may
have
created
a
metric
in
many
cases,
no
longer
exist.
So
it
is
a.
It
is
a
tricky
sort
of
historical
record-keeping
thing
and
then
how
do
we
handle
new
things
that
might
have
fit
into
old
working
groups?
So
I
don't
know
if
you're,
maybe
we
can
think
of
a
way
to
translate
our
own
I,
don't
believe
in
mental
models,
but
for
lack
of
a
better,
clearer
term.
C
B
C
Well,
I
mean
so
in
general,
the
We've
we've
talked
about
this
prior,
but
the
context
is
really
important
when
we're
thinking
about
these
metrics
right.
So
the
one
of
the
reasons
we
have
a
hard
time,
putting
these
metrics
in
different
buckets
is
because
the
the
the
metrics
that
people
are
are
interested
in
are
going
to
be
different
and
and
people
come
in
with
different
contexts.
They're
interested
in
and
and
metrics
can
belong
to
different
buckets
and
different
context
areas.
C
So
the
way
the
way
this
was
designed
was
to
to
kind
of
give
give
some
leeway
in
how
that
search
functions
right
it's
if
you're
a
if
you're
a
community
manager
coming
in
looking
for
metrics
that
are
related
to
your
context,
the
the
oretically.
You
should
be
able
to
find
those
topics
or
the
those
those
metrics
through
the
the
keyword,
search
right
or
through
the
community
topic
area.
C
G
C
I
think
the
the
important
the
important
question
to
ask
is
what
metrics
are
important
to
you,
and
those
metrics
may
be
different
for
other
people,
so
creating
creating
an
creating
directions
or
or
navigation
that
allows
you
to
find.
Those
metrics
that
are
important
to
you
is
is
our
goal
without
telling
you
what
metrics
are
important
to
you,
if
that
makes
sense,.