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From YouTube: CHAOSS Weekly Community Call - September 5, 2023
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A
Yeah
I
never
captions,
okay,
Brenda
hi,
everybody
Welcome
to
the
chaos.
Community
call
minutes
are
in
the
chat,
and
today's
critical
question
is:
if
you
can
ride
a
skateboard
and
or
roller
skate
and
I,
think
we've
decided
that
it
means
roller
skate,
not
rollerblade.
So
it's
getting
two
are
very
different.
B
C
A
Okay,
these
are
always
great
questions
to
learn
about
people,
so
I
thought
we'd
use
a
little
bit
of
time
to
just
kind
of
give.
Some
updates
for
folks
that
you
know
don't
necessarily
attend
all
of
the
meetings
and
can
maybe
ask
questions
it's
about
kind
of.
What's
going
on
in
some
of
the
meetings,
so
I'll
just
I'll
kind
of
give
the
updates,
as
we
go
through,
feel
free
to
to
kind
of
add
updates,
as
you
would
like
on
some
of
the
work
that
you're
doing
or
add
anything.
A
Would
you
like
to
to
this
conversation?
So
in
common
this
last
week
we
did
have
a
conversation
to
try
to
establish
the
just
that
common
wasn't
a
place
where
all
things
go
like
if
this,
when
in
doubt
give
it
to
the
Common
working
group
so
just
kind
of
working
on
establishing
what
we
work
on
and
what
and
what
we
don't
work
on
Kevin.
Do
you
want
to
give
an
update
on
that
comment
at
all?
Do
you
remember
this
conversation.
C
Yes,
and
so
part
of
this
is
also
about
the
the
project
management
group,
so
the
the
we
have
a
new
group
of
that's
starting
to
meet
to
to
help
manage
the
the
individual
projects
that
we
have.
So
some
of
the
some
of
the
kind
of
community-wide
things
that
common
would
be
would
have
been
kind
of
interested
in
more
kind
of
worked
on
prior.
C
D
A
Well
said:
Sophie
I'm
getting
some
feedback
on
years.
Right
now
can
I
yeah
there
right
on
right.
Well,
said
Kevin!
Thank
you
and
I
I.
Think
the
biggest
thing
is,
as
you
pointed
out,
just
kind
of
having
these
the
project
management
group
take
over
the
management
of
some
of
the
I,
mean
smaller
pieces
of
software
or
think
about
even
just
the
website
kind
of
stuff.
That
was
that
did
have
a
tendency
of
kind
of
coming
to
Common
and.
B
B
A
Had
I
just
kind
of
give
you
an
update,
we
did
have
a
couple
metrics
that
we
were
talking
about.
So
self-emerge
rate
is
one
metric
that
was
published.
This
was
one
that
Ray
Pake
had
brought
up
and
we
had
discussed
for
quite
a
while
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
how
many
merges
are
occurring
by
somebody
who
actually
starts
the
pr
so
just
kind
of
merging
your
own
work.
A
B
A
Won't
look
at
it
here,
but
as
second
time
contributors.
This
is
a
metric
that
has
been
kind
of
asked
for
I
feel
like
for
years,
or
it
has
at
least
come
up
for
years,
just
kind
of
as
an
indicator
of
retention
for
a
contributor.
So
if
you
see
you
know
kind
of
those
first
time,
contributors,
that's
great,
but
how
many
of
those
are
second
time
contributors
and
that's
really
what
this
metric
is
focused
on
so
Sean
is,
has
kind
of
put
together
a
template.
A
There
feel
free
to
take
a
look
at
it,
but
this
is
what
we're
working
on
in
common
and
I
would
suspect.
You
know
in
two
weeks,
when
we
meet
again
we'll
probably
be
spending
some
time
to
kind
of
work
on
this
metric
a
little
bit
more,
all
right,
anything
else
from
common
that
for
the
folks
that
were
there,
that
you
think
I
missed
or
you
might
want
to
talk
about
all
right,
cool
from
the
context
working
group.
So
again,
the
context
working
groups
are
the
working
or
the
context.
F
A
A
A
To
the
university
in
the
last
meeting
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
how
we're
accommodating
other
classifications
of
universities.
There
is
a
tendency,
I
think
in
this
group
to
think
about
kind
of
those
research,
one
or
those
research
intensive
universities
and
how
they
think
about
open
source
when
in
fact,
there
may
be
other
types
of
universities
that
are
also
thinking
about
open
source
that
aren't
necessarily
research
one.
A
So
as
an
example,
there
may
be
at
a
research
one
institution,
a
heavy
focus
on
taking
open
source
products
that
are
produced
in
the
university
and
turning
them
into
commercial
products
through
a
tech
translation
process.
So
a
lot
of
the
large
universities
have
processes
by
which
you
can
actually
make
money
on
the
things
that
you
produce
at
a
university.
A
lot
of
a
lot
of
universities.
Don't
have
a
process
like
that,
so
just
as
an
example,
we've
been
talking
a
lot
about
safe,
Tech
transfer,
but
we
also
need
to
accommodate
other.
G
A
That
other
universities
care
about
as
well
and
we've
been
using
Boyer's
modes
of
scholarship
to
kind
of
think
through
this
voyeurism
was
a
scholarship.
This
is
the
just
as
I
want
to
continue
to
share.
This
is
the
the
kind
of
the
framework
that
we've
been
working
on
in
the
University
setting
that
we
can
continue
to
talk
to
and
talk
about
in
those
meetings,
all
right,
so
that's
the
update
from
the
University
setting
any
questions
or
comments
there.
A
A
A
So
we
kind
of
backed
off
of
the
framework
things
that
we're
doing
in
corporate
and
University
contexts
and
we're
just
really
kind
of
starting
kind
of
a
little
bit
earlier
in
the
process
and
just
saying:
okay,
here's
a
sample
report.
Let's
see
how
well
it's
received
within
your
community
and
if
it
provides
good
points
to
talk
around
within
your
community,
so
we're
not
really
building
a
framework.
Quite
yet
we're
just
trying
to
build
the
conversation
within
science.
F
A
F
F
A
F
E
D
C
If
I
remember,
if
I
remember
correctly
the
early
work,
those
were,
it
was
a
one-page
document
and
there
were
four
metrics
that
we
were
looking
at,
but
they
weren't
necessarily
related.
So
it
wasn't
a
wasn't,
really
a
metrics
model.
It
was
just
kind
of
four
interesting
metrics
to
look
at
correct.
So
if.
C
A
A
Especially
the
starter
project,
Health
metric
model
seems
like
a
great
a
great
one
in
this
in
this
regard.
Okay,
cool!
Well,
thank
you
for
that
and
then
in
the
corporate
osbo,
we're
looking
at
doing
a
chaos
best
practice
guide
so
trying
to
I.
Think
Don
had
put
this
on
the
agenda,
trying
to
reach
out
to
organizations
who
are
using
chaos,
metrics
and
just
talk
about
how
they've
engaged
with
the
metrics
and
what
they've
learned
in
using
the
metrics.
A
G
A
A
All
right,
and
then
one
of
the
last
things
we
talked
about
was
again
the
osbo
functions
this
this
diagram
here,
as
well
as
the
to
do
book
chapter
so
I
need
I,
could
use
a
hand
in
writing
this,
so
that
we've
had.
We
have
a
request
from
the
to
do
group
to
write
a
book
chapter
in
terms
of
helping
organizations
think
about
metrics
and
metrics
models
in
their
particular
context,
and
my
initial
thought
was
to
use
kind
of
this
framework
as
a
way
to
frame
the
conversation.
A
So
saying
here
are
some.
You
know
identified
functions
within
a
corporate
osbo
and
here's
how
metrics
can
inform
these
these
different
areas,
particularly
these
eight
boxes
down
here,
I,
don't
know
what
you
all
think
about
a
structure
like
that
or
a
book
chapter
I
haven't
heard
negatively
towards
it,
but
I
I
could
use
a
hand
just
kind
of
getting
like
words
on
paper.
A
A
But
in
in
writing,
so
if
anybody
has
an
interest
in
helping
things
thanks,
Sean
like
to
like
writing
for
those
of
you
that
know
like
it's,
when
you
write
sometimes
it's
nice
to
to
come
back
to
the
document
and
see
some
more
words
just
on
the
document
that
you
haven't
written
yourself,
so
it's
kind
of
encouraging,
so
any
support
would
be
much
appreciated.
So.
F
A
A
F
A
A
F
A
B
A
F
A
Oh,
so,
thank
you
so
much.
That's
really
really
cool
I
really
appreciate
it
and
I.
Don't
think
you
know
a
lot
of
these
to
do
book
chapters
they're,
not
in
you
know
like
crazy
long
by
any
means
so
I
think
it
we
can
get
it
just
to
the
point.
That
would
be
really
really
helpful,
so
thanks
Nicole,
all
right
great
well,
that
was
that
was
really
thank
you.
Everybody
appreciate
it
and
then
this
is
a
call
just
for
anybody
on
on
this
call
or
anybody
in
the
chaos
project.
A
But
we
have
these
Frameworks,
and
this
is
about
the
extent
of
my
my
design
skills
and
this
looks
like
something
I
might
expect
from,
like
somebody
who's,
not
very
good
at
designing
things.
So
if
there's,
if
there's
anybody
who
could
at
least
just
it,
has
an
interest
in
kind
of
thinking
about
how
we
might
present
this
type
of
material
in
a
more
contemporary
way
that
doesn't
look
like
it's
from
1997
I
would
really
appreciate.
I
would
really
appreciate
it
I
every
now
and
then
I'm
like
I'm
gonna.
A
A
A
D
A
A
Don't
know
about
that
and
Nicole
I,
don't
think
it's
just
so
you
know
like
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
it's
these
slides
down
below
I
really
just
think
it's
kind
of
presenting
this
first
model
to
people
as
a
way
to
think
about
possible
functions
in
the
universe
or
in
the
university
in
this
case,
in
the
corporate
in
the
corporate
setting,
and
then
what
the
goals
could
be.
So
it's
really
to
kind
of
just
get
people's
attention
right
away,
but
these
are
kind
of
four
areas
where
we
think
metrics
can
play
a
role
in
hoping.
A
E
C
C
C
So
a
project
manager
would
take
on
a
maintainer
role
and
and
a
technology
lead
or
a
knowledge
lead
would
take
on
a
maintainer
role
as
well
and
then
the
on
on
our
projects
and
then
the
the
relationship
between
the
project
manager
and
those
those
other
positions
we
really
kind
of
outlined.
What
that
would
look
like
yeah.
C
C
Called
him
initiatives
in
the
past:
okay
right
so
generally,
they're
the
there
are
these.
These
temporary
work
groups
that
we
put
together
to
to
build
something,
and
then
some
of
them
do
kind
of
expand
more
into
continuing
operations,
but
for
the
most
part,
it's
the
it's.
These
initiatives
or
projects
that
are
occurring
outside
of
working
groups,
web
context,
groups,
okay,.
A
And
this
is
so
this
meeting
it
looks
like
looking
at
the
minutes
can
help
identify
those
projects
that
are
maybe
under
maintained
at
the
moment
or
just
have
maybe
a
single
maintainer
that
we
might
want
to
have
more
people
associated
with
kind
of
could
provide
a
way
for
maintainers
of
these
projects
to
talk
with
each
other
challenges.
They're.
Having
is
there
anything
else
that
this
this
group
is
trying
to
provide
as.
F
C
Project
managers
we'd
like
to
put
two
into
each
project,
so
there's
always
a
backup
yeah
and
then,
additionally,
we
have
talked
about
kind
of
the
almost
a
voluntary
nature
of
project
managers
within
those
within
these
projects.
So
some
of
these
projects-
they
they
already
exist-
they've
been
they've,
been
kind
of
humming
along
all
right
for
a
while
and
they
have
they
do
have
people
on
those
projects
that
are
that
are
working
in
kind
of
a
project,
management
or
Community
Management
role.
C
When
we
start
projects
we'd
like
to
we'd
like
to
start
projects
with
the
idea
that,
let's,
let's
start
with
project
Managers
from
the
beginning,
so
existing
projects,
if
they
would
like
to
add
an
official
project
manager
or
have
someone
from
the
project
management
group,
come
in
and
help
them
out,
I
think
I
think
we've
talked
about
kind
of
letting
them
decide
that,
rather
than
so
we're
not
trying
to
force
project
managers
on
anyone
who
doesn't
want
them.
Okay,.
A
C
F
A
E
E
G
It's
weird
I:
don't
think
that,
like
project
management
has
a
very
specific
connotation,
so
I
don't
think
we
can
change
that,
but
it
might
be
nice
to
have
another
word
for
it,
but
I
don't
I
know.
Maybe
this
is
my
like
my
background
and
let's
make
a
new
word
coming
from
an
analyst
research
firm,
but
it
might
I
feel
like
calling
them
initiatives.
G
But
yeah
I'd
be
really
excited
to
see
a
list
of
things
and
I
think
would
love
to
have
this
group
come
back
to
this
meeting
and
just
sort
of
give
us
a
state
of
this,
the
state
of
chaos,
initiatives
and
maybe
where
things
have
been
identified
as
like.
Maybe
we
should
consider
turning
this
down
or
I.
Just
I
just
feel
like
that's
something
that
the
product
group
could
help
with,
but
I
would
love
to
have
this
particular
group.
G
D
C
A
Just
as
a
note
here
kind
of
a
few
notes
website
group
the
knowledge
base,
we're
gonna,
we're
we're
meeting
again.
I
I
want
to
say
this
week,
like
maybe
Thursday
morning,
U.S
Central
Time,
to
kind
of
finalize
some
of
the
documentation
in
the
knowledge
base.
There
are
a
few
spots
that
I
think
are
still
empty
and
it'd
just
be
nice
to
kind
of
get
that
across
the
finish
line.
A
A
A
Wanted
to
do
one
and
Mary
blessing
I
think
this
was
an
idea
that
you
had
in
one
of
our
community
calls
I
want
to
say
might
have
been
on
the
hospital
call,
but
we
are
gonna.
You
know
the
Linux
Foundation
reports
that
come
out.
We
are
going
to
ask
for
a
series
of
panelists
to
kind
of
read
the
report
and
do
a
podcast
on
the
reaction
to
the
report,
so
that
was
really
well
received.
So
thanks
for
that,
thank
you
all
right.
B
A
B
B
We
try
to
figure
out
what's
the
best
way,
to
guide
people
to
create,
to
create
new
apis.
We've
had
a
few
ideas
thrown
out
so
far.
One
of
the
things
we're
thinking
about
is
a
graphql
API,
because
they're
a
little
bit
more
standard
to
implement,
and
they
do
some
things
that
are
nice.
However,
they're
also
more
complex
to
implement
than
a
standard
rest
API,
which
we
already
have
so
right.
B
A
The
apis
to
include
castable
links,
creating
new
apis
that
for
metrics
that
aren't
currently
supported
or
new
calls
that
are
currently
supported
in
auger.
Is
that
right,
that's
right,
yeah
and
then
documenting
some
of
the
existing
some
of
the
existing
work
in
auger
that
hasn't
been
documented
as
a
metric.
Yet
exactly.
B
B
B
Were
they
were
I
mean
it
was?
We
did
build
an
API
endpoint
and
one
of
them.
Okay,
they
were
focused
on
whatever
questions
people
who
came
to
them
had,
and
so
perhaps
one
one
approach
that
might
work
would
be
to
have
some
weekly
software
office
hours
where
people
to
just
come.
Ask
questions
about
chaos.
Software
and
I
can
point
them
to
for
more
lab
stuff
if
they
have
those
questions
and
data
science
stuff,
if
they
have
those
questions
and
auger
stuff,
I
can
handle.
F
B
A
F
I
have
a
maybe
like
not
on
specifically
on
the
API,
but
maybe
more
on
the
auger
as
a
business
model,
not
not
in
the
business
model
but
like
how
other
it
was
like
I
see
a
bunch
of
students
coming
and
then
once
they
graduate,
they
are
gone
and
then
they
stay
there
or
some
new
other
comes
but
I'm
trying
to
assess
like
how
your
strategy
is
to
keep
auger
evolving.
That's
what
my
question
is
like
yeah.
B
A
little
over
150
contributors
to
Auger
I
mean
there's
like
four
maintainers,
and
they
are
all
at
the
University
of
Missouri
right
now,
but
we
get
regular
contributions
from
lots
of
different
people,
so
I
think
I
think
there's
a
path
to
maintainership
challenge.
I.
Think
a
lot
of
the
people
that
work
with
auger
are,
you
know
currently
not
paid
to
work
with
auger
by
the
companies
they
work.
B
For
so
one
of
the
things
that
you
know,
I'm
working
on
is
to
get
companies
to
think
about
making
contributions,
I
think
from
a
building
a
maintainer
community
that
is
outside
my
local
group.
I.
Think
that
is
a
function
of
trying
to
get
people
involved
in
things
like
this
API
thing
and
I
just
I'm
trying
to
do
it
and
trying
to
think
of
ways
to
do
it.
That
will
be
more
effective
than
like
the
tutorials
and
that
we've
had
before.
But
you
know,
Perhaps
Perhaps,
that
you
know
like
auger
office
hours.
C
I,
wonder
I
wonder
if
it
would
be
helpful
if
there
was
a
like
a
dedicated
Community
person
for
software
or
for
auger,
it's
kind
of
the
focus
on
focus
on
building
building
community,
because
that's
that's
a
lot
of
work
and
that's
the
you
know
these
are
the
same.
These
are
the
same
issues
we
hear
from
the
open
source,
scientific
software
people
in
the
context
group.
It's
a
lot.
C
A
A
E
A
B
A
B
A
A
A
E
A
B
A
A
Yeah
and
I
mean
you're
you're
spot
on
I
mean
Community.
Work
is
hard,
just
it
just
is
okay.
Well,
everybody.
We
are
at
the
end
of
time,
so
I
appreciate
it.
Hopefully
the
updates
were
were
helpful
to
you
to
kind
of
see
what's
going
on
in
the
chaos
project
across
all
the
different
things.
We're
doing
have
a
great,
oh
and
thanks
for
everybody,
for
contributing
and
supporting
to
do
things
as
well.