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Description
Chesterfield County Chief of Police Jeffrey Katz provided the Board with an update regarding accomplishments, programs and planned initiatives.
A
B
All
right
well
smooth
transition
into
this
next
item.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
that.
It's
my
pleasure
to
present
a
a
brief
presentation
on
the
operations
of
the
police
department
for
the
last
year.
I'm
going
to
give
you
some
some
numbers
and
there's
there's
been
a
lot
to
Pare
down.
There's
you
know
we
do
a
lot
of
of
things
and
I'm
going
to
give
you
some
some
information.
B
B
I'll
take
a
moment
to
just
let
that
number
sink
in.
That
is
a
7.6
increase
since
2018..
A
lot
of
what
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
today
is
going
to
be
based
on
what
our
five-year
averages
are.
So
you
can
kind
of
see
from
a
you
know.
One
year
doesn't
make
a
trend.
Five
makes
a
loose
Trend
so,
but
we
have
seen
an
increase
in.
In
calls
for
service.
B
B
That
is
an
extraordinary
number
that
is
once
again
an
increase
over
the
year
before,
which
was
an
increase
over
the
year
before,
and
we
continue
to
work
hard
to
protect
the
drivers
and
and
occupants
of
our
roadways.
We
know
that
traffic
safety
is
a
serious
issue
and
we're
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that
in
detail.
Going
forward.
We
conducted
one
point
or
1
300
field
interviews,
which
is
a
very
important
part
of
police
work.
We
investigated
4642
vehicle
crashes
and
of
those
crashes,
but
1244
were
personal
injury
crashes.
B
B
Proud
to
say
that
we
we
had
28
000,
volunteer
hours
committed
to
the
county
to
the
police
department
last
year
and
hats
off
to
our
staff
of
volunteers.
We
have
some
Volunteers
in
our
department
that,
if
you
didn't
know
better,
you
think
they
were
paid
employees
they're
there
every
day,
they've
got
a
smile
on
their
face,
they're,
always
digging
in
and
helping
out
some
remarkable
individuals,
our
property
unit
handled
17,
000
pieces
of
evidence,
May
9th
or
actually
inputted
seventeen
thousand.
B
They
handled
ninety
nine
thousand
evidence
transactions,
our
Personnel
division,
processed,
2701,
I'm,
sorry,
2071,
applications
for
employment.
It's
a
pretty
high
number
of
employment
requests,
you'll,
also
notice
that
we
hired
50.
people
last
year.
We
remain
incredibly
selective
in
terms
of
our
staff,
our
ECC
handled,
58,
000
or
I'm.
Sorry,
588,
104,
non-emergency
calls
and
187
583
911
calls
so
a
lot
of
work
coming
out
of
our
ECC.
We
talk
a
little
bit
about
our
operational
environment
and
how
that
has
changed
over
the
years
again.
B
Looking
at
five-year
trends,
what
we've
seen
is
a
an
increase
in
well.
In
our
reported
use
of
force,
we've
had
a
20
percent
increase
in
our
reported
use
of
force,
and
that
sounds
like
a
high
number
until
we
get
to
the
next
number,
which
is
over
the
last
five
years,
we've
seen
a
100
percent
increase
on
assaults
against
police
officers.
B
I
am
pleased
to
share
with
you
that
over
the
last
five
years,
we
have
seen
a
decrease,
a
12.1
percent
decrease
in
external
complaints
on
staff,
and
we
have
seen
a
30
percent
increase
on
internal
complaints
on
staff.
Many
people
don't
realize
that
when
it
comes
to
our
Ops
function,
our
Internal
Affairs
function
we're
split,
almost
50
50.
In
terms
of
internal
and
external
complaints.
We
do
a
really
robust
job
of
policing
ourselves
and
making
sure
that
we're
providing
the
most
professional
and
ethical
service
possible.
B
B
So
we've
seen
decreases
when
they
start
looking
at
our
five-year
averages
of
crime.
Compared
to
last
year
we
saw
a
20,
almost
a
22
percent
decrease
in
arson.
We
did
see
in
increases
in
crimes
against
persons,
a
9.4
percent
increase
in
assaults.
A
72
percent
increase
in
homicide
and
and
I
should
put
that
in
context.
B
Last
year
we
had
19
homicides
and
you
know
on
average
five-year
average.
We
typically
have
11
homicides,
we're
talking
about
victims,
not
specific
incidents.
Last
year
we
had
a
very
tragic
incident.
In
November
we
had
four
individuals
that
were
that
were
murdered
in
the
same
incident
that
certainly
Drew
drove
that
number
up,
but
we
certainly
you
know,
will
acknowledge
that
we
had
a
72.73
percent
increase
in
homicides
over
our
five-year
average
last
year
and
with
the
forcible
sexual
offenses,
we
saw
at
15.5
percent
increase
in
every
other
area
burglary.
B
We
saw
30
almost
a
32
percent
decrease
vandalism.
We
saw
a
nine
percent
decrease
fraud,
we've
seen
a
decrease
theft,
motor
vehicle
theft
and
even
robbery,
which
actually
has
recently
upticked
but
I'm,
proud
to
say
that
we
made
an
arrest
like
20
minutes
before
this
meeting
for
someone
who
committed
a
robbery
so,
but
we
did,
we
have
seen
a
a
23
decrease
in
robberies
over
our
five-year
average
last
year,
so
it
is
concerning,
though,
to
see
you
know.
The
best
measure
of
violence
in
a
community
is
not
the
murder
rate.
B
It's
actually
the
assault
rate.
How
often
people
are
are
trying
to
harm
one
another?
Sometimes
they
die
as
a
result,
but
sometimes
due
to
Medical
intervention
or
fate,
the
person
doesn't
die.
The
assault
rate
is
actually
a
really
good
predictor
of
violence
in
the
community.
We're
seeing
an
increase
in
that
in
the
general
population
we're
seeing
an
increase
in
that
against
police
officers
and
we're
also
seeing
again
a
significant
increase
in
the
number
of
people
fleeing
from
lawful
traffic
stops
so
and
that's
probably
a
good
segue
to
get
into
our
five-year
crash
Trends.
B
So
as
we
start
breaking
down
a
little
bit
on
crashes,
what
we
see
is
that
our
five-year
fatality
from
traffic
crashes
with
motor
vehicle
versus
motor
vehicle
or
motor
vehicle
versus
fixed
object.
We
see
that
we
had
22
again
last
year
that
we
had
20
the
year
before
23
the
year
before
that
fairly
consistent.
B
B
We
had
five
people
last
year
parish
as
a
result
of
being
struck
by
a
car.
So
far,
we've
had
one
this
year.
One
of
the
key
features
of
traffic
safety
is
the
enforcement
of
traffic
laws,
we've
recently
endeavored
to
enhance
that
capacity
with
our
e-summons
program,
we're
in
the
the
testing
and
pilot
phase
of
it.
Now
we
contracted
out
with
the
Tyler
Technologies
we
are,
we've
got
a
test
group
of
13
officers
who
will
be
deploying
this
technology
and
basically,
what
this
is.
B
Instead
of
handwriting,
a
summons
you'll
be
able
to
swipe
the
driver's
license,
you'll
be
able
to
enter
the
offense
and
you'll
be
able
to
print
out
the
the
summons
and
that's
a
significant
Savings
of
time.
It's
also
an
enhancement
to
to
the
safety
of
the
officer,
as
well
as
the
person
who's
being
stopped.
You
know
if
they're,
let's
say
they're
running
late
for
work.
They
probably
don't
want
to
sit
around
and
wait
for
15
minutes
for
a
summons
to
be
issued.
We
can
issue
it
a
lot
faster
and
then
be
on
their
way.
B
Hopefully
safety
safely
after
that
are
vendors
currently
working
to
overcome
some
connectivity
issues
with
the
printers
and
devices.
This
is
common
with
technology
and
they're,
also
completing
testing
to
interface
with
the
Virginia
Supreme
Court,
which
will
allow
the
summonses
to
be
electronically
transmitted
directly
that'll,
be
again,
that's
more
efficiency
and
we
will
go
live
with
the
system
as
soon
as
those
issues
are
mitigated.
So
moving
on
to
a
topic
that
I
know
is
near
and
dear
to
a
lot
of
our
hearts
mental
health
trends.
B
B
Moving
on
to
the
seven
month
review
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
our
tdo
and
Eco
process.
The
number
of
patients
that
we've
taken
to
facilities
for
for
committal,
on
evaluation
and
and
what
we
have
represented
in
the
the
black
bars
are
the
the
number
of
patients
that
we've
transported
and
what
we
see
in
the
gold
bar
are
the
number
of
hours
that
our
staff
have
committed
to
those
processes.
It
is
not
uncommon
for
us
to
be
with
a
patient
for
12
hours.
B
It
is
a
it's
a
tragedy.
It's
a
crisis.
To
be
frank
with
you,
we
wouldn't
handle
someone
who
we've
arrested
for
committing
a
murder,
the
way
that
the
system
is
set
up
for
us
to
process.
People
who
have
said
I
need
mental
health
help
and
that's
a
tragedy
and
I
know
that
it's
something
that
the
governor's
office
is
working
on
right
now,
but
as
of
right
now,
the
mental
health
system
and
the
Commonwealth
of
Virginia
and
through
much
of
the
nation
frankly
is
broken.
The
capacity
is
lacking.
B
Moving
on
to
Suicide
Trends
again,
this
is
an
issue
that
I
know.
Many
of
you
get
the
pages
from
the
ECC
when
we
have
a
suicide
attempt
or
a
completed
suicide.
So
just
to
give
you
some
context
of
what
we're
dealing
with
over
the
last
five
years,
we've
seen
a
slight
decrease
in
suicide
attempts
and
in
completed
suicides.
B
B
Quick
update
on
our
radio
system,
all
of
the
towers
have
been
built,
I'm,
proud
to
say
that
yeah
I'm,
proud
to
say
that
our
project
manager,
Wes
furteg,
has
marshaled
us
through
this
with
great
Effectiveness.
Our
Towers
were
built
before
any
other
Regional
partner,
Towers
were
built,
but
we
are
in
the
process
now
of
testing
and
that's
both
indoor
and
outdoor
and
both
portable
and
mobile
units.
The
testing
process
for
the
new
radio
system
is
an
expansive
process.
B
Some
updates
on
facilities,
I
was
just
kidding
just
for
the
record,
some
updates
on
facilities.
We
are
in
the
design
phase
with
the
Falling
Creek
Station
I
want
to
thank
General
services
and
John
and
clay,
and
the
the
Partnerships
that
we've
had
throughout
the
county
on
that.
Thank
the
board
for
your
support
and
thank
the
community
for
for
voting
for
the
bond
referendum
that
will
finance
this
we're
going
to
be
completing
our
design
by
September
of
2023.
B
B
So
we're
pretty
excited
about
that.
The
Swift
Creek
District
station
we're
looking
at
a
nine
Acre
property.
That's
been
identified
and
at
this
point
we're
not
disclosing
anything
additional
on
the
facilities,
but
we
are
thankful
that
we
are
going
to
be
investing
in
the
infrastructure
for
the
police
department,
which
is
credit,
I,
have
to
tell
the
story.
I
came
to
Dr
Casey
when
we
first
started
talking
about
these
buildings
and
I
said
you
know,
you've
got
to
stop
putting
us
an
old
barbecue
restaurants.
They
don't
make
very
good
police
stations
and
his
response
to
me.
B
He
quipped
back
so
so
fast.
He
said:
well,
they
don't
make
good
barbecue
restaurants
apparently
either,
and
he
was
right
so
I'm
happy
that
we're
we're
able
to
move
forward
in
this
direction
just
quickly
to
highlight
a
couple
of
special
Awards
and
recognitions.
We
don't
typically
do
this,
but
last
year
our
department
was
both
nationally
and
internationally
recognized
for
our
for
our
work
and
so
I
do
want
to
give
credit
to
our
staff
for
the
tremendous
work
they've
done.
B
We
produced
a
video
in
partnership
with
the
iacp
in
that
that
video
and
that
Accolade
was
featured
at
the
international
police
Chiefs
conference
in
Dallas
Texas
last
year,
and
that
was
a
that
was
quite
an
honor
to
be
on
the
international
stage.
The
agency
I
think
really
has
come
a
long
way
and
done
some
really
good
work,
so
I'm
really
proud
of
that.
Cultural
transformation
is
not
an
easy
thing
and
our
folks
have
embraced
it
and
they've
done
a
wonderful
job,
so
I'm
very
thankful
to
them.
B
For
that,
we
were
also
recognized
that
Chesterfield
County
Police
Department
was
recognized
by
the
National
Law
Enforcement
Officers
Memorial
fund,
as
the
top
agency
in
the
nation
for
our
comprehensive
safety
efforts,
which
probably
will
make
our
risk
manager
very
happy.
But
there
are
18
000
police
agencies
in
the
United
States
and
we
were
ranked
number
one
and
I
give
a
lot
of
credit
to
Lieutenant
Colonel
Dan
Kelly,
who
marshaled
us
through
that
process.
B
That's
a
that's
an
excellent
distinction,
and
you
know
I'd
like
to
say
that,
from
a
as
a
hiring
manager,
there's
a
lot
of
value.
I
think
you
know
I
know
my
mom
didn't
want
me
to
be
a
police
officer
30
something
years
ago,
but
working
in
the
police
department
that
has
the
the
best
rating
for
comprehensive
safety
is
something
I
think
that
you
know.
C
Just
a
quick
comment
in
that
I
did
a
ride
along
last
week
and
while
I
was
out
there
with
the
police
officer,
he
said
you
know,
I've
bid
policing.
Now
for
a
little
while
and
I
used
to
jump
from
Police
Department
to
Police
Department
about
every
two
years
he
said,
I've
been
with
Chesterfield
now
for
six.
He
said:
I
think
that
the
two-year
jumps
aren't
happening
any
longer
and
I
think
it's
a
big
Testament
to
the
culture
of
the
police
and
what
you
dictate
and
what
you
put
forward
out
there.
C
D
Chief,
thank
you.
That's
a
very
comprehensive
presentation
and
obviously
we
are
concerned
about
some
of
these
numbers
and
you
and
I
spoke
a
little
bit
about
this,
a
number
of
police
Pursuits
being
as
high
as
it
is
the
number
of
police
assaults
being
as
high
as
it
is,
and
then
some
of
these
these
crimes
involving
a
sexual
assault,
an
assault,
obviously
just
just
very
concerning
and
so
as
as
a
board.
Obviously
we
look
at
at
all
of
this
from
a
policy
making
perspective
and
locality
and
I'm
just
curious.
D
What
you're,
seeing
I
know
that
you
are
head
of
the
chief
Association
I,
believe
Statewide,
and
so
you
get
to
see
a
lot
of
other
departments
and
what
they're
doing
and
is
there
anything
we
can
do?
Is
there
anything
we
should
be
doing
more
of
here
as
a
board
to
put
more
visibility
on
some
of
these
these
items
and
what
would
you
recommend
from
us.
B
I
think
advocacy
at
the
state
level
is
important.
We
saw
a
number
of
police
reform
efforts
that
took
place
two
years
ago.
I
think
many
of
them
I
think
all
of
them
were
probably
well
intended,
but
I
think
many
of
them
were
reflexive.
They
weren't
well
thought
out,
and
what
we
have
seen
is
a
wholesale
emboldment
of
those
who
don't
have
any
issues
praying
against
people.
B
A
sense
of
you
know,
reform
is
supposed
to
help.
Reform
is
supposed
to
improve,
but
a
lot
of
the
reform
efforts
that
we
saw
moving
forward,
really
tied
our
hands
and
made
it
very
difficult.
The
traffic
code
is
incredibly
complex
and
you
know
I
think
it's
important
that
we
have
the
ability
to
enforce
traffic
laws.
What
we
have
seen
is
that
you
know
you
can
modify
the
the
traffic
laws
of
Virginia,
but
the
the
laws
of
physics
catch
up
and-
and
you
know
we
don't
enforce
traffic
laws
for
Revenue.
B
We
don't
enforce
traffic
laws
because
of
quotas
or
anything
like
that.
I'll
tell
you
the
number.
One
reason
why
we
enforce
traffic
laws
is
because
each
and
every
one
of
us
have
had
to
knock
on
the
door
of
somebody's
family
and
tell
them
that
their
loved
one
has
been
killed
and
is
not
coming
home,
and
there
is
no
call
in
this
profession
that
I
have
ever
experienced.
That
is
more
impactful
I.
B
Remember
every
one
I've
ever
done
and
I
wish
that
I
never
had
to
do
any
of
them,
and
that
has
always
been
my
motivation
for
traffic
enforcement
and
and
to
a
person.
I
talk
with
our
traffic
Sergeant
yesterday
same
exact
sentiment.
We
don't
want
to
have
to
come
to
your
house,
knock
on
your
door
and
tell
you
that
someone,
you
love
is
not
coming
home,
that
that
is
a
significant
motivator.
B
Unfortunately,
during
the
era
of
police
reform,
two
years
ago,
as
a
member
of
the
Virginia
Association
of
chiefs
of
police,
we
were
given
30
seconds
to
speak
on
any
legislative
issue
before
it
was
while
during
the
debate
process.
That
is
not
enough
time
to
have
people
at
the
table
that
have
a
substantive
discussion
about
public
policy,
so
essentially
the
people
that
are
in
it
that
are
doing
it.
That
know
it
best
didn't
get
a
voice
in
the
discussion
that
needs
to
change.
So
any
opportunity
for
Statewide
advocacy
for
any
safety
related
matter
would
be
appreciated.
E
E
And
is
it
concerns
me
because,
when
you
speed,
you
can
run
as
we
saw
just
last
week,
you
can
run
into
a
three-year-old,
as
was
done
on
wormsley
Boulevard
just
the
other
day.
So
speeding
is
an
issue
of
concern,
so
anything
we
can
do
in
that
regard
to
help
mitigate
the
speeding
in
some
of
our
neighborhoods,
where
the
speed
limit
posted
is
25.,
I'm,
sure
people
are
going
45,
some
cases
50.
and
even
worse,
I've
seen
substance
pass
and
no
passing
zones
on
two
lane
roads,
which
is
horrendous.
E
So
anything
we
can
do
in
the
area
of
speed
in
our
neighborhood
would
be
most
appreciated
again.
Thank
you
because
I
know
policies
are
very,
very
challenging
job
in
the
military
in
the
U.S
army,
I
was
a
military
police,
I,
patrolled,
Fort
Bragg
in
federal,
City
and
Joint
Patrol,
so
I
know
how
difficult
it
can
be
out
there
and
dealing
with
that.
But
this
was
so.
E
B
B
F
F
If
I'm
not
mistaken,
we
went
to
from
approximately
28
a
year
to
over
a
hundred
in
the
last
year
and
without
I'm,
not
trying
to
get
into
all
of
the
reasons
why
I'm
just
going
to
say
that
if
you've
stolen
a
car
from
another
jurisdiction,
you
shouldn't
come
to
Chesterfield
and
if
you
stole
one
in
Chesterfield,
you
shouldn't
have
because
the
apprehension
rate
has
significantly
increased
in
I
I
applaud
you
in
your
department
for
the
work
you've
done
there,
and
apparently
the
state
has
recognized
that
as
well.
So
thank
you
for
that.
F
B
F
F
If
you
make
a
bad
decision
and
you
kill
somebody
you're
going
to
get
caught
in
Chesterfield
County
and
that's
that's
where
I'm
going
with
a
lot
of
this
is
yes.
Unfortunately,
some
of
these
numbers
are
up.
Others
are
probably
down
because
we've
caught
a
lot
of
people,
but
I
do
expect
with
the
good
work
that
your
department
is
doing
on.
F
Following
up
on
all
of
the
cases
that
you
have
come
to
you
that
we
will
see
these
numbers
Trend
in
the
in
the
correct
direction.
I
think
a
lot
of
it
is
spillover
from
other
jurisdictions
and
I.
Think
they've
started
to
get
the
word
I
I
understand.
There
was
a
Wawa
that
people
thought
was
in
Richmond
and
it
was
actually
in
Chesterfield
and
when
people
were
confronted
into
Wawa,
they
were
like
no.
F
F
Think
that
says
a
lot
for
the
community
as
far
as
what
you're
doing
to
keep
our
citizens
safe
in
the
enforcement
I
do
still
have
some
concern
which
both
Mr
Winslow
and
Mr
Holland
brought
up
with
traffic
I
know
we
have
put
some
more
enforcement
mechanism
in
through
funding
so
that
you
could
have
more
officers
for
that
and
I
know.
State
code
doesn't
always
make
it
easy.
F
B
Touching
on
multiple
points
that
you
brought
up
sort
of
the
initial
Point
relating
to
a
homicide
arrest,
we
have
made
an
arrest
in
every
homicide
that
has
occurred
in
the
last
two
years
in
our
County.
We
still
have
more
work
to
do
in
a
couple
of
them,
but
the
work
that
our
property,
our
sorry,
our
persons
detectives
our
robbery
and
homicide
detectives
have
done-
has
been
extraordinary
and
in
in
many
cases
we
had
very
little
to
go
on,
but
it
is
always
heartening
and
encouraging
to
see
our
detectives
working.
B
You
know
sometimes
24
36
hours
straight
to
get
a
case
solved
and
to
get
Justice
for
a
victim.
So
you
know
we
say
this
all
the
time
we
are
Unapologetic
about
protecting
our
community.
If
someone
harms
a
member
of
our
community,
we
love
our
community,
we're
part
of
our
community
and
we're
going
to
protect
our
community.
That's
what
we're
here
to
do
we're
going
to
serve
our
community
and
provide
you
know,
guidance
as
necessary
and
when
somebody
violates
the
the
rights
or
sensibilities
or.
C
B
B
Our
legal
system
is
predicated
on
the
belief
that
most
people
are
going
to
do
the
right
thing
and
that
it's
only
the
outliers
that
you
know
that
the
law
needs
to
be
enforced
upon.
Unfortunately,
we've
seen
a
growing
number
of
outliers,
because
we
see
people
driving
indifferent
to
the
traffic
laws
and,
unfortunately,
again
we're
we're
seeing
people
getting
hurt
and
we're
doing
everything
we
can
to
stop
it.
B
But
what
we
need
people
to
do
is
to
recognize
that
you
might
be
able
to
skirt
the
laws
of
Virginia,
but
the
laws
of
physics
will
eventually
catch
up
to
people,
and
these
are
sudden
random
and
violent
deaths
and
and
we're
just
talking
about
deaths.
I
mean
number
of
people
are
crippled
and
maimed
and
injured
in
in
life-changing
ways,
and
those
numbers
aren't
even
reflected
really
other
than
the
personal
injury
crashes
that
were
discussed.
B
You
know
we
all
have
a
stake
in
this.
Every
one
of
us
is
going
to
get
into
a
motor
vehicle
after
this
meeting
and
drive
someplace
on
these
roads.
So
we
all
have
a
stake
in
this
and
I
think
we
all
have
a
community
of
Interest.
So
it's
important
that
you
know.
If
you
see
a
reckless
driver,
give
us
a
call,
let
us
know
we'll
start
looking
for
the
car
and
you
know
obviously
communicate
with
us
and
and
of
course
be
a
good
example.
Yourselves,
that's
important
too.
F
Sorry
I
had
a
couple
other
things.
Mental
health
has
definitely
been
an
issue
in
the
amount
of
hours
that
your
officers
spend
in
the
system
in
the
state
has
failed,
but
I
do
have
a
question
you
have.
You
had
about.
1152
incidents
that
were
related
to
mental
health
was
68
committals
as
much
as
I
know.
It's
a
increasing
issue
in
the
community
is
there?
B
B
F
F
B
B
That
has
a
heat
map
where
we
actually
look
at
where
satisfaction
and
trust
is
high
and
where
it's
low
and
we
actually
deploy
staff
to
build
relationships
in
areas
where
you
know
relationships
are,
you
know,
are
strained
and,
and
trust
is
seemingly
lower
than
other
places.
So
we're
very
strategic
in
how
we
use
the
information
that
we
have.
But
you
know
again,
we
we
don't
ever
discuss
operational
capacity
in
an
open
forum.
B
A
Sir
Chief
two
things:
one
keep
up
the
great
work
and
I
know
I'm,
probably
biased,
because
of
my
my
work
experience,
but
the
department,
as
I've
said,
multiple
times
is
probably
one
of
the
best
in
the
Nations.
By
far
and
as
far
as
what
happened
in
the
legislative
session,
you
know
certainly
our
legislative
agenda.
We
will
certainly
take
a
look
at
things
that
come
up
in
the
future.
A
You
know,
as
in
my
past,
I
worked
in
the
legislature
for
a
long
time
as
a
representative
for
the
Fraternal,
Order
police,
and
what
I
will
say
is
if
you're,
only
given
30
seconds
the
decision's
already
been
made.
So
it
was
what
I
would
say
a
lesson
in
futility
to
actually
try
and
actually
make
a
difference
when
the
policy
makers
had
already
made
their
decision
before
the
public
hearing
was
even
casted,
and
so
people
need
to
keep
that
in
mind
again.