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Description
Moderator: Lauren-Glenn Davitian
Participating Candidates: Leonora Dodge (D), Rey Garofano (D)*, Maryse Dunbar (R), Denis White (R)
00:01:12 Opening Statements
00:07:52 Education
00:18:11 Health Care
00:27:23 Criminal Justice Reform
00:35:52 Dream Committee Assignment
00:40:34 Ballot Issues
00:53:37 Closing Comments
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A
Good
evening
and
welcome
to
town
meeting
television's
continuing
coverage
of
election
2020,
November
8th
is
election
day.
Of
course,
now
you
can
vote
at
any
time.
You
always
could
vote
at
any
time,
but
now
more
than
ever,
you're
encouraged
to
vote
at
any
time,
including
the
day
itself.
Tuesday
November
8th
we're
glad
this
evening
to
be
welcoming
the
candidates
for
there's
a
new
District
number.
A
What
is
the
new
District
number
chitten
in
23,
which
is
Essex
and
because
there
was
redistricting,
so
we
all
we
have
all
new
numbers
and
it's
shooting
in
23
and
it's
four
candidates,
including
one
incumbent
for
the
two
seats
for
the
district,
so
this
evening
I'm
very
happy
to
welcome
Ray
carafano
who's
running
as
a
Democrat.
She
is
an
incumbent
and
Leonora
Dodge.
He
was
also
running
as
Democrat
and
Marie
Z
Marie's
Marie's
Dunbar
who's
running
as
a
republican,
Marie's
dunbart.
That's
the
anxiety
that
of
the
moderator.
B
A
C
C
I
am
proud
of
the
work
that
we
did,
this,
the
half
of
the
biennium
when
I
got
there
in
passing
some
historic
legislation
to
really
put
really
big
investments
in
the
economy
and
the
future
of
Vermont,
and
we
being
able
to
leverage
Federal
funding
massive
amounts
of
federal
funding
to
really
pass
and
invest
in
our
future.
Here
we
also
passed
historic
legislation
to
amend
our
constitution
to
protect
reproductive
Liberty
and
prohibiting
slavery
as
plainly
as
possible
in
our
constitution.
C
I
am
running
for
re-election
because
there's
still
so
much
work
to
be
done.
Our
we
continue
to
have
serious
major
problems
in
our
communities.
We
are
continuing
to
have
a
housing
crisis.
Our
child
care
system
is
at
a
Breaking
Point
and
we
have
Workforce
shortages
that
impact
our
whole
entire
economy.
A
D
What
sets
me
apart
is
that
I'm,
a
trilingual
Latina
who
grew
up
in
Montreal
and
Mexico
and
I've
lived
abroad
in
Chile,
Spain
Guatemala
and
for
my
entire
life,
I've
been
bridging
cultures
and
seeking
compassion
and
understanding
in
Vermont
I've
done
that
by
running
Spanish
play
groups
with
building
Bright
Futures
teaching
Spanish
at
Champlain
College
and
coordinating
the
Essex
Westford
International
potluck
dinners.
When
the
pandemic
decimated
the
Staffing
at
our
schools,
I
went
to
become
a
para
educator
and
classroom
assistant
in
the
Spanish
Immersion
program
at
Jericho
Elementary.
D
These
opportunities
and
this
activism
have
helped
me
to
get
to
know
my
fellow
vermonters
and
they've
also
given
me
insight
into
the
very
profound
challenges
that
we
face:
being
priced
out
of
housing,
massive
health
care
costs
and
child
care
challenges
are
profoundly
challenging
to
so
many
vermonters
today,
and
all
of
these
issues
affect
black
and
brown
vermonters.
Even
more
profoundly
so
I'm
running
so
that
I
can
share
my
unique
cultural
perspective,
my
collaborative
approach
and
my
optimism
to
help
all
vermonters
thank.
E
E
I've
assisted
with
a
lot
of
events
and
I,
ran
for
this
particular
office
two
years
ago,
and
here
I
am
again
I,
just
really
I'm
concerned
about
some
things
that
I'm
seeing
that
are
happening
not
only
in
Vermont
but
around
the
world.
I
I
really
am
running
because
I'm
concerned
for
children
and
grandchildren.
The
future
right
now
is
troubled
and
I
want
to
do
everything
in
my
power
to
to
have
a
good
economic
educational
experience.
E
A
All
right,
well,
I,
I,
hope
we
hear
a
little
bit
about
those
as
we
go
on
in
the
debate.
So
thank
you
so
much
Dennis
all
right
Leonora.
Why
don't
we
start
with
you
on
the
education
question?
The
legislature
can
make
impacts
on
how
education
is
funded.
Statewide.
Do
you
see
the
need
for
changes
and
how
we
fund
education
and
how
would
you
use
your
office
to
move
that
forward.
D
Great
well
so
there
are
two
sides
to
talking
about
education
and
money.
On
the
one
hand,
the
the
raising
money,
so
that's
through
taxes
and
I
think
that
our
goal
needs
to
be
to
pay
to
pay
taxes
in
proportion
to
your
wealth.
I
think
that
right
now,
there's
a
discussion
afoot
about
switching
from
our
current
property
based
tax
system,
which
can
be
problematic
for
people
who
are
now
living
in
properties
that
are
suddenly
worth
so
much
more.
D
So
if
you're
on
a
fixed
income
and-
and
but
your
house
is
now
worth
so
much,
it's
going
to
be
onerous
for
you
to
to
pay
that,
based
on
that.
So
switching
to
taxing
based
on
your
income
makes
sense
to
me.
So
that's
a
great
discussion
and
then,
conversely,
on
the
spending
side,
there's
also
a
lot
of
discussion
on
funding
in
proportion
to
the
greatest
needs,
and
so
I
think
that
we
need
to
look
at.
D
You
know:
lower
income
students
that
might
need
access
to
technology
after
school
and
summer
school
programming,
rural
students
that
might
have
issues
with
internet
connectivity
and
transportation
English
language
Learners.
That
certainly
need
extra
instruction
to
thrive
and
then
finally,
hungry
students
cannot
learn.
D
I
saw
that
as
a
para
educator
directly
and
I
saw
what
a
wonderful
thing
Universal
school
lunches
was
I
would
I
would
definitely
try
to
continue
that,
not
just
for
the
next
year
and
maybe
fund
that
with
taxing
sugary
drinks
aside
from
funding,
obviously
we
have
other
important
issues
like
racism
and
homophobia
in
the
school.
So
but
that's
not
funding,
although
it
should
be.
A
E
E
If,
if
the
teaching
is
not
up
to
par,
then
people's
taxes
rightfully
should
go
towards
a
school
that
provides
adequate
education
and
don't
get
me
wrong.
I
think
there
are
many
wonderful
teachers,
many
teachers
are
doing
a
fabulous
job
and
but
but
the
scores
are
going
down,
if
only
we've
all
noticed
how
many
people
working
at
cash
registers
these
days,
don't
even
know
how
to
count
your
change
so
I.
Just
would
like
to
see
instead
of
taxing
people.
More
I
would
really
like
to
see
funding
go
towards
results.
B
That's
a
question:
that's
the
state's
been
wrestling
with
forever.
You
know
and
there's
there's
no
good.
Solutions
I
have
no
Solutions,
but
whatever
model
is
proposed,
it
will
certainly
have
its
inequities
whether
it's
property
tax
based
or
income
tax
based.
You
know
you
can't
please
all
the
people
all
the
time.
B
B
If
school
districts
are
having
a
problem
with
their
budgets
meeting
their
budgets,
then
I
suggest
pruning
their
budgets,
especially
like
if
a
new
school
or
addition
needs
to
be
built,
such
as
what
Burlington
High
School
is,
is
facing
right
now,
just
build
a
square
building
yeah.
You
have
no
idea
the
added
construction
costs.
Whenever
you
deviate
from
just
a
plain
box.
Building
these
buildings
don't
need
to
be
Disneyland
like
Architects
fantasies.
You
know
if
you've
ever
seen
the
main
lobby
up
at
the
UVM
Health
Center
up
here.
B
That's
five
stories
of
wasted
space,
I
I
moved
out
of
Williston
30
years
ago
because
of
the
wasteful,
wasteful
construction
cost
of
the
two
schools
in
town
there,
Williston
Central
and
the
Allen
Brooks
School,
just
just
a
colossal
waste
of
money
in
those
two
buildings.
So
you
know
just
just
keep
the
building
simple
you'll
save
a
few
bucks.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you,
I
agree
with
a
lot
of
what
Leonora
shared
earlier.
I
will
say
that
I'm
really
proud
of
the
work
that
we
did
this
last
session
with
287
and
changing
the
weights
of
how
taxes
are
paid
and
how
funding
calculations
are
done
for
schools
based
on
their
need
to
educate
the
children
that
the
students
that
they
have,
so
that
will
do
a
lot
to
achieve
Equity.
As
far
as
funding
the
different
schools.
C
C
Continuing
to
educate
our
kids,
continuing
to
reach
out
to
the
kids
that
didn't
have
the
right
technology
and
really
being
in
touch
was
phenomenal
and
they're
all
completely
burned
out,
and
we
have
very
little
supports
for
them,
so
I
think
as
a
community.
We
owe
those
teachers,
administrators,
faculty
and
staff
to
really
show
our
appreciation
and
continue
supporting
them.
C
E
Yes,
I
just
want
to
add
to
what
you
said
that
I'm
just
concerned
about
teachers
are
great
and
they
did
they're
wonderful
and
they
did
suffer
a
lot
during
the
covid
and
it
seems
as
though
a
lot
have
left
because
of
the
stress,
so
they
they
teachers
are
have
gone
through
so
much.
But
my
concern
is
the
extreme
permeating
of
the
system
of
the
social,
emotional
learning.
It's
it's
almost
more
than
true
education.
In
some
cases
you
know
it's
start,
it's
not
a
specific
class.
It's
just
stressed
and
I
know
this.
E
It's
stressed
that
they
need
to
the
teachers
need
to
incorporate
this
into
all
of
their
classes,
even
math
or
science.
It
doesn't
matter
they
have
to
incorporate
something
that
includes
the
social
emotional
teachings,
and
you
know
there
are
there's
counseling
available.
There's
there
I
would
suggest
after
school
support
groups,
just
a
variety
of
things,
I'm
trying
to
keep
this
short,
but
it's
too
much.
So
let's
get
back
to
the
basics
and
as
far
as
results,
I
don't
have
the
statistics.
A
Yeah,
okay,
thank
you
all
right,
so
I'm
going
to
actually
expand
your
time
to
two
minutes
to
answer
things
because
you're
all,
rather
than
cutting
you
off
in
a
minute
and
a
half
because
you
have
more
to
say
so.
Let's
say:
let's
go
to
healthcare:
the
increasing
cost
of
Health
Care
is
putting
pressure
on
vermonters
and
the
state's
economy.
It's
the
biggest
expenditure
in
our
budget
and
probably
in
most
of
our
households
covet,
has
sharpened
our
focus
on
the
inequities.
A
E
Also
travel
nurses
are
so
needed
and
there
they
come
here
so
well
equipped,
but
they're
getting
paid
so
much
that
it
has
caused
a
lot
of
our
regular
nurses
to
to
complain
and
and
even
become
travel
nurses
themselves.
So
the
staff
comes
and
goes,
and
you
know
I
think
that
something
needs
to
be
done
now.
We
do
need
to
attract
travel,
nurses
so
I'm
not
really
sure
what
needs
to
be
done,
but
you
know
we
need
to
do
some
more
research
and
see
what
what
could
become
more
Equitable
and.
A
B
Well,
I
I,
don't
really
understand
how
the
high
cost
of
Health
Care
is
considered
a
drain
or
a
pressure
on
the
state's
economy.
I
mean
Health.
Care
is
a
huge,
huge
business
and
it
employs
employs
a
boatload
of
people,
these
businesses
and
the
employees.
They
they
pay
taxes
and
they
spend
their
money
here.
So
you
know
how:
how
is
that
detrimental
to
the
economy?
I,
also
not
sure
what
inequities
that
the
question
is
referring
to.
B
But
you
know
if
it's,
if
it's
health
insurance
inequities,
then
then
I
would
have
to
say
this
that
that
everywhere
you
look
these
days.
There's
Help
Wanted
signs
everywhere
and
I'm
pretty
sure
that
every
business
that
employs
10
or
more
people
is
required
to
offer
some
sort
of
health
insurance
plan.
So
I
would
suggest
people
seek
employment
with
you
know
such
businesses.
Thank
you.
Yeah.
A
Thank
you,
I
think,
just
to
clarify
the
question.
There
is
an
inequity
in
how
health
care
services
are
distributed,
based
on
who
has
Insurance,
who
can
afford
to
pay
for
the
premiums
and
who
can
afford
to
pay
for
the
out-of-pocket.
So
a
lot
of
those
policies
are
high,
deductibles
and
they're
really
expensive
for
people
and
they're
I
mean
there's
inequity
in
all
aspects
of
any
of
these
policy
questions,
but
I
think
that's
where
we
were
headed
with
that
so
Ray
garafano.
C
Maybe
we
are
doing
enough,
but
what
it
turned
out
and
I'm
really
proud
of
what
the
state
the
State
Department
of
Health
did,
because
they
did
prioritize,
they
did
put
investments
in
attention
and
intentional
work
in
making
sure
that
bipod
community
news,
marginalized
communities,
new
Americans
we're
getting
prioritized
vaccine
clinics,
more
access
to
the
health
care
that
was
needed
in
a
really
really
difficult
time.
So
I'm
really
proud
of
that
work
that
the
state
has
done.
C
I
will
also
say
that
we
at
the
legislature
this
last
session,
we
invested
massive
amounts
of
American
Rescue
plan
for
increasing
the
number
of
students
seeking
nursing
degrees
and
recruiting
more
nurses
in
Vermont
educating
them.
There
was
a
problem
where
we
didn't
have
enough
lab
space
to
actually
like
educate
the
nurses
that
they
need
to
actually
do
the
practice,
practice,
nursing
and
so
during
their
education.
C
So
there
was
a
lot
of
investment
made
in
that
which
we're
going
to
see
results
of
very
soon
and
then
the
Health
Equity
advisory
committee,
which
I
believe
was
established
last
year
before
I,
got
to
the
legislation.
That
will
have
a
lot
of
really
great
recommendations
for
us
in
the
state
house
and
other
lawmakers
and
policy
makers
into
what
exactly
you
know:
they're
doing
a
whole
survey
of
our
health
system
in
Vermont
and
looking
at
the
inequities.
C
And
lastly,
the
Vermont
Health
Department
recently
received
a
very
large
grant
for
health
disparities,
and
now
it
has
a
huge
team
of
people
that
are
really
intentionally
working
at
embedding
racial
equity
and
Equity
work
throughout
the
health
department
and
every
area
of
Health
Care.
So
that's
going
to
really
set
us
up
well
for
the
next
few
years
and
hopefully
we'll
become
leaders
in
the
region.
If
not
the
country
and
focusing
on
this
work
and
removing
some
of
the
inequities.
Wonderful.
A
D
I
would
and
I
want
to
again
just
like
the
pandemic
was
so
tough
on
Educators.
Obviously,
it
was
also
for
health
workers
and
nurses,
so
I
think
that
Vermont
is
on
the
right
track.
You
know
trying
with
like
Dr
dinosaur
and
with
the
community
health
centers
to
catch
people
that
fall
through
the
cracks.
What
you've
just
mentioned
about
the
inequities
right
people
that
can't
afford
you
know
if
you
have
a
small
business,
you
don't
have
the
10
people.
How
do
you?
D
How
do
you
get
decent,
Health,
Care,
I've
known
so
many
entrepreneurs
that
you
know
struggle
with
that?
And
you
know
they're
these.
These
other
programs
that
are
state
funded
are
sort
of
stop
gaps
for
an
overall
system
that
is,
that
is
private.
It
feels
like
Insurance
buying
insurance
is
like
you're
putting
chips
on
a
casino
table,
and
then
you
roll
the
dice,
and
you
hope
that
you
don't
get
into
a
horrible
accident
or
come
down
with
a
debilitating
horrible
illness
or
chronic
disease,
and
that
seems
insane.
D
I
grew
up
in
a
place
and
have
lived
in
many
countries
where,
instead
of
having
massive
private
insurance,
be
the
overall
system.
You
have
a
public
system
that
supports
everybody,
and
then
you
know
maybe
complementary
private.
You
know
optional
insurance
for
for
for
some
folks
who
want
that
you
know,
and
then
the
big
question
is.
Is
that
system
working
for
us
in
in
this
country
and
and
and
the
answer
is
no-
we
spend
public
and
privately
funded.
We
spent
almost
twice
as
much
as
countries
that
are
not
communist
socialist
dictatorships.
D
With
you
know
horrible
economies
I
mean
compared
to
Canada
New
Zealand
Australia,
France
Germany,
you
know
England,
we
are
spending
so
much,
but
the
main
question
is:
are
we
healthy
and
the
answer
to
that
is
no,
we
are
dying
earlier.
We
are
being
hospitalized
and
dying
from
treatable
diseases.
We
have
fewer
doctors
and
we
visit
the
doctors
less
so
I
think
that
there's,
you
know
great
to
do,
stop
captures,
but
we
need
to
consider
overhauling
the
system
and
flipping
it
from
from
overall
private
to
considering
a
public
system
that
will
help
all
people.
D
A
You
very
much
Leonora
I
just
want
to
remind
our
viewers.
Our
number
is
862-3966.
If
you
have
a
question
for
our
candidates,
we'd
love
to
hear
it.
We
would
always
love
to
hear
your
questions.
We
come
up
with
them
here,
but
we
like
your
questions,
the
best
all
right
so
Dennis.
We
are
going
to
start
with
you
Dennis
White,
and
the
question
is
Criminal
Justice
Reform.
A
B
Well,
there's
a
large
sector
of
the
population
that
is
getting
shortchanged
by
this
defund,
the
police
fad,
the
hard-working
taxpayers
are
not
getting
their
money's
worth
and,
and
that
is
socially
unjust.
Over
the
past
couple
years,
though,
the
police
have
received
their
comeuppance
and
and
and
they've
been
reformed
a
little
bit
and
now
it's
time
to
refund
the
police
and
and
get
back
to
good,
old-fashioned,
Law
and
Order.
B
You
know
when
I
was
a
young
fellow
I
I
had
my
share
of
run-ins
with
Johnny
Law,
and
you
know
that's
the
norm
at
that
age,
you
you're
you're,
you
know
being
a
long-haired
loudmouth
know-it-all,
but
as
you
age
and
and
you
have
a
family
and
you
acquire
a
property
in
a
house,
you
learn
to
appreciate
law
enforcement
more
and
and
how
important
they
are
and
I
wholeheartedly
support
the
police
and
the
emergency
responders
and
and
the
role
their
role
in
public
safety.
Thank
you.
C
Justice
Reform
yeah,
so
just
to
clarify
we
have
not
defunded
the
police
and
Aztecs.
Our
police
budget
actually
went
up,
so
we
have
funded
them
more
and
I
do
believe
in
the
work
that
our
police
do
in
Essex,
but
also
other
resources
that
we
have,
such
as
the
community
Justice
Center,
that
do
restorative
justice
work.
C
And
you
know
when
you
look
at
criminal
justice,
you
have
to
look
at
the
root
cause
of
the
problem,
and
this
country,
I
think,
has
not
invested
in
creating
a
social
safety
net
for
vulnerable
people.
When
folks
have
substance
use
disorders
when
they
have
mental
health
challenges,
when
they
have
housing,
crisis
or
food
insecurity,
we
don't
have
easy
way
for
those
folks
to
access,
help
and
support
which
often
leads
to
problems
and
involvement
with
the
criminal
justice
system.
So
I
there's
no
easy
answer.
C
It's
a
very
complex
issue,
obviously,
but
I
think
that
you
know
in
Essex
our
police
department
has
been
very
active
working
with
our
community
Justice
Center,
with
select
board
with
our
city
councilors
in
Essex,
Junction
and
working
with
Community
organizations
that
are
working
on
racial
equity
and
educating
people
in
Essex
and
our
community
about
racial
equity
and
how
that
involvement
looks
like
for
marginalized
populations
and
police
involvement
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
good
work
happening.
So
I
want
to
see
more
of
that
and
I
don't
oppose
restructuring
the
funding.
C
So
maybe
more
funding
goes
to
Mental,
Health,
Services
or
restorative
justice,
or
substance
use
prevention.
Because
often
we
ask
our
police
departments
to
respond
to
things
that
they're
not
equipped
or
have
the
skills
or
the
training
to
respond
to,
and
that's
not
fair
to
them,
and
that's
not
fair
to
the
person.
That's
having
the
crisis
or
the
problem,
so
I
think
there's
some
creative
work
that
can
be
done
and
I'm
really
happy
to
say
that
in
Essex
we're
actually
doing
the
work
and
work
very
closely
with
our
Police
Department.
Thank.
D
D
Police
have
become
the
The
Last
Resort
at
the
very
end
of
development,
social
developments
for
each
individual,
that
that
lead
to
either
a
criminal
or
a
violent
life
or
or
event,
and
that's
that's
too
much
to
expect,
and
so
I
know
that
Essex
has
a
group
called
Essex
best
building,
Equity
solidarity
and
Trust
I
think
we
we
need
all
of
those
things.
We
need
to
build
the
trust.
D
Uvm
Economist,
Stephanie
sequino
did
a
study
that
took
five
years
over
800
000
traffic
stops
were
analyzed
and
what
what
this
study
showed
is
that
police
in
Vermont
tend
to
stop
three
to
nine
times
more.
A
person
of
color
a
driver
of
color
than
a
white
person,
and
even
with
that,
massively
disproportionate,
you
know,
ratio
of
of
traffic
stops.
They
still
only
found
Contraband
of
any
type
more.
They
still
only
found
more
of
that
in
white
driver's
cars.
D
A
E
Well,
first
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
you
Ray
for
enlightening
me
that
that
we
have
not
defunded
the
police
in
Essex,
but
I
I
feel
that
defunding
the
police
in
Burlington
has
proven
to
cause
problems.
Word
has
gotten
around
to
the
criminals
that
they
can
do
whatever
they
want.
You
know
almost
every
day,
you're
hearing
about
another
knifing
or
another
shooting,
and
it's
increasing.
E
I
know
we're
low
on
we're
backlogged
in
the
the
courts
and
we're
low
on
jail
space,
but
we
have
to
figure
out
a
way
to
make
a
penalty
so
strong
that
they'll
think
twice
before
they
commit
a
crime.
So
again
that
would
bear
some
research,
but
to
me
up
front
as
a
legislator,
I
would
just
fund
anything
that
supports
the
police
and
bring
some
sort
of
information
to
the
criminals
that
they
will
not
get
away
with
this.
A
C
The
legislature
I
was
assigned
my
dream
committee
Human
Services,
and
had
the
chance
of
working
with
the
amazing
chair
and
Pew
for
the
you
know
short
time,
but
I
would
love
to
return
to
Human
Services,
but
my
skills
also
and
my
background
also
fit
well
with
housing,
General
Affairs
and
the
health
care
committees.
I've
worked
in
human
services,
my
whole
life
or
my
career
in
Vermont
and
public
service,
but
honestly
I
am
I
would
be
grateful
to
work
on
any
committee.
C
I
think
you
know,
the
work
is
hard
and
you
know
having
served
kind
of
being
thrown
in
it,
not
at
the
beginning,
a
session
kind
of
mid-session
a
little
bit.
There's
a
lot
of
learning,
and
it's
really,
you
know,
with
my
background
I
feel
at
least
comfortable
in
human
services
or
in
housing.
General
Affairs.
But
you
know
it's
also
really
cool
to
think
about
learning
about
another
committee
and
another
body
of
work
and
hearing
from
experts
in
that
area
to
make
policy
decisions.
Thank.
D
I
was
you
know
almost
in
tears,
talking
to
a
friend
of
mine,
about
how
how
hopeful
I
am
for
our
state
and
and
what
a
pivotal
moment
we're
at
where
we
can
truly
make
a
difference,
and
it
always
feels
that
way
in
Vermont
right
with
you
know,
being
able
to
access
our
our
legislators
so
easily,
but
yeah.
So
any
any
committee
where,
where
I
I
I'm
a
good
collaborator,
I'm
a
good
team
player.
Thank.
E
You
know
we
need
people
that
well,
let's
just
say
that
I
think
I'm
concerned
about
the
future.
I
personally,
don't
have
any
children
in
college
or
in
school
or
grandchildren.
I
have
a
daughter
but
she's,
grown
and
but
I'm
very
concerned
for
all
the
other
young
people.
You
know
we
need
to
have
a
competitive,
competitive
system
in
this
country
and
I
guess.
That's
it
great
yeah,
careful.
B
Maybe
Transportation
so
we
can
get
the
circumferential
Highway
back
on
track
and
and
completed.
The
existing
section
of
the
circumferential
highway
is
hands
down
the
best
thing
that
has
ever
happened
to
Chittenden
County
trap
Transportation,
the
Circ.
Originally
it
passed
muster
with
the
Armory
Corps
of
Engineers,
with
the
federal
courts
and
the
EPA.
The
EPA
did
not
mandate
that
that
we
couldn't
build
the
Circ.
They
just
suggested
that
an
eternal
alternative
be
found,
and
it
was.
It
was
shot
down
by
Peter,
shumlin
and
conservation
law,
foundation
and
and
conservation
law.
B
B
E
D
D
A
A
Now
I'm
visualizing,
what
you're
talking
about?
Thank
you
all
right
so
good.
So
let's
go
to
the
ballot
issues.
There
are
two
Constitutional
Amendments
proposition
two
and
proposition
five
I'm,
starting
with
you
Leonora.
Do
you
what's
your
position
on
those
two
Constitutional
Amendments,
and
could
you
just
clarify
what
they
are
in
your
answer?
Oh.
D
prop
2
amending
article
one
is
regarding
the
language
in
our
Constitution
that
was
foundational
to
our
to
our
state
constitution.
That,
sadly,
contains
the
original
sin
of
you
know
of
our
of
our
national
Constitution
as
well,
which
is
you
know,
it
was
supposed
to
eliminate
slavery,
but
what
it
actually
did
was
it
set
up
a
system
where
there
were
caveats
and
exceptions
where
slavery
was
still
okay,
you
know.
D
D
In
short,
I
support
proposition
two
to
amend
article
one
and
then
prop
five
and
in
in
part,
also
because
I
just
want
to
say
I,
think
about
migrant
workers,
I
think
about
prisoners
who
could
be
forced
to
to
labor
and
then
prop
5.
Article
22
is
to
keep
government
out
of
personal
health
decisions
regarding
reproductive
Choice,
and
the
reason
we
want
it
in
our
constitution
is
to
make
sure
that
more
restrictive
laws
that
that
government
interference
cannot
be
achieved
as
easily
by
just
changing
a
law.
D
If
it
is
in
our
constitution,
then
legally,
our
legislators
are
bound
to
keep
government
out
of
the
decision-making
and
leaving
it
a
private
private
decision,
and
do
you
support
that
I
also
support
that
and
I
I
think
that
it
just
keeps
things.
The
way
that
we
have
them
currently
having
lost
constitutional
rights
is,
is
an
absolute.
You
know
travesty
for
for
so
much
of
our
population.
So
thank.
E
Well,
proposition
two
I
agree:
we
all
agree
that
we
want.
We
support
the
the
amendment,
as
as
it
is
written
proposition,
5
article
22,
two
names
for
the
same
thing:
I
think
that
we
need
to
explain
to
people
that-
and
many
people
already
know
this,
but
it
needs
to
be
emphasized
that
full-term
abortion
is
already
fully
legal
in
Vermont.
E
So
that's
not
a
concern.
I
really
feel
that
the
language
is
so
vague
in
proposition
5
article
22,
that
it
deceives
it's
really
vague
and,
and
the
word
abortion
and
woman
is
not
even
in
prop
5..
It's
it.
It's
vaguely
worded
that
it's
been
said
that
some
most
lawyers
can't
even
figure
out
what
it
says,
but
it's
the
dangers
of
what
could
happen.
E
If
that
is
passed,
the
possibilities
are
endless
and
a
lot
of
them
would
end
up
in
litigation
with
one
or
three
unelected
judges
making
decisions
for
everyone,
and
some
of
the
scenarios
include
possibly
parental
rights
being
for
over
their
children
being
removed
in
in
school,
parental
rights,
school
parental
rights
being
removed.
You
know-
and
you
know
if
I
was
a
parent
and
something
was
being
done
to
my
child-
that
I
disagreed
with.
E
B
The
Constitution
already
says
that
slavery
is
illegal
and
prop
2
only
looks
to
add
the
term
indentured
servitude,
so
I
I
think
it's
a
moot
point
and
and
unnecessary
prop
5
or
article
22
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
here
that,
just
a
couple
of
years
ago,
the
the
Vermont
legislature
guaranteed
the
right
to
abortion
in
this
state,
regardless
of
what
the
federal
government
says
or
does
so
so
you
can
always
get
an
abortion
in
this
state.
Is
that
correct,
personally
I'm
neutral
on
abortion?
I
can
take
it
or
leave
it.
B
What
you
do
with
your
body
is
your
own
business,
but
the
the
vague
wording
of
prop
5
goes
above
and
beyond
abortion.
It's
it's
a
whole
nother
ball
of
wax.
It's
it's
a
horse
of
a
different
color.
It's
going
to
open
up
a
huge
can
of
worms.
It's
a
prime
example
of
being
given
an
inch
and
taking
a
mile
I
feel
that
article
22
has
an
ulterior
motive
and
no
good
can
come
from
it.
Thank
you
all.
D
B
D
That
our
our
latest
Amendment
right
it's.
This
is
what
a
moment
right,
we're
talking
about
literally
our
first,
our
first
article
and
now
adding
an
article
so
I
think
it's
a
really
it's
an
amazing
ballot.
When
you
hold
it
in
your
hands
it
you
feel
the
weight
of
history
in
my
mind,
anyway,
what
the
amendment
aims
to
do
is
exactly
the
opposite
of
what
you
are
worried
about.
D
It
is
meant
to
stop
the
potential
for
future
litigation
on
this
issue
so
that
we
don't
get
embroiled
in
in
in
awful
scenarios,
and
so
it's
you
know,
the
wording
is
based
on
on
prior
prior
legislative
language.
That
is
specific.
It
is
about
reproduction.
It
is
not
about
anything
else.
It's
not
about
parental
rights
or
you
know
it.
D
It's
just
trying
to
prevent
anybody
from
taking
away
the
rights
that
we
do
have
so
that
you
know
any
decision
that
was
to
be
made
if
a
lot
was
going
to
be
challenged.
If
a
law,
because
laws
are
easier
to
challenge
than
Constitutional,
Amendments
or
constitutional
articles,
if
it
were
to
be
challenged
it
would,
it
would
have
to
be.
You
know
within
this
very
important
you
know.
Well,
if
we're
going
to
let
the
government
interfere
in
this
decision.
E
To
the
center
and
cummings
is
on
record
for
saying
that
the
wording
is
very
vague
on
purpose
in
this
bill.
So
what
is
she
getting
at?
What?
What
is
the
you
know
so
and
I
agree
with
Dennis
I
mean
if
it's
all
that
you
say,
and
it
would
be
lovely
if
it
was,
but
there's
nothing
that
says
that
when
people
are
looking
at
this
little
short
sentence,
reproductive
autonomy?
What
is
that
really
and
then
there's
another
statement
that
doesn't
explain
itself
very
well
either
involving
the
government
and
it's
just
very
deceiving
I.
C
Support
both
years
of
doing
this
over
two
different
biennia
is
because
it's
that
important
and
we
don't
want
the
opportunity
for
it
to
be
changed
with
every
legislative
session.
So
the
fact
that
it
took
four
years
two
different
sessions
and
it
overwhelmingly
passed
with
plenty
of
public
comment
opportunities
with
the
governor's
support,
I.
Think
that
says
a
lot
for
our
state
and
I
am
really
proud
of
the
work
that
has.
You
know
gone
into
this
because
it
intentionally
it's
not
a
simple
thing
to
change
your
Constitution
so,
and
you
know,
we've.
C
C
E
E
A
C
E
B
D
A
So
I
I
think
we're
all
clear
on
where
you
stand
on
these
questions
so
and
I
appreciate
the
discussion
and
the
elucidation
and
we're
about
at
time
for
closing
comments.
Oh
okay,
isn't
that
amazing
I
told
you
it
would
go
fast
and
I'm
going
to
give
you
a
little
time.
You
don't
have
to
do
it
in
a
minute,
but
I
think
we're
going
to
start
with
you
Maurice
Dunbar,
on
your
closing
comments
on
what
you
would
like
to
say
to
the
community
in
order
to.
E
Well,
I
just
want
to
say
I'm
running
as
I
said
earlier,
because
I
want
to
try
to
protect
the
freedoms
and
the
rights
of
especially
young
people.
I
think
the
and
I
also
ran
because
I
wanted
to
give
voters
a
choice,
but
I
would
be
a
fresh
face
in
Montpelier
someone
with
differing
opinions
and
what's
been
happening
for
48
years
and
I.
E
B
About
the
looming
carbon
tax,
which
is
set
to
include
home
heating,
fuels
that
in
the
not
too
distant
future,
you
will
be
forced
to
drive
an
electric
vehicle
that
school
mascots
are
being
stripped
For,
No,
Good,
Reason
well
join
the
club.
We
we
need.
No
new
taxes,
we're
being
taxed
to
death
now
and
and
taking
the
guns
out
of
the
hands
of
law-abiding
citizens
is,
is
not
the
answer
through
Public
Safety.
C
Comments,
thank
you.
Thank
you
again
for
providing
this
really
important
opportunity
for
us
to
highlight
our
priorities
and
our
views
on
the
topics.
I'm,
a
mom
I'm,
an
immigrant
I'm,
a
career
public
servant
in
Vermont
having
work
for
Family
Services
my
whole
entire
17-year
career
I'm,
a
community
activist
and
an
organizer.
The
last
six
months
in
the
Vermont
house
have
been
the
honor
of
my
life.
I
didn't
really
think
I
was.
C
D
To
give
back
to
this
wonderful
state
that
we've
gotten
to
call
home
my
family
and
I
for
the
past
22
years,
canvassing
has
been
incredible:
I
really
have
enjoyed
getting
to
hear
people's
ideas
and
and
I
am
so
honored
to
have
for
when
people
share
their
challenges
and
their
their
hopes.
We
are
at
a
really
exciting
time,
so
much
money
pouring
in
so
many
important
decisions
being
made.
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
bringing
my
insight.
My
spirit
of
collaboration
to
the
state
house
and
umigos
is.